Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1115 ｜ Islam Taught Her to Hate Christians — Then She Became One ｜ Guest： Lily Meschi

00:00:00.880 Lily Meshi is a former Muslim Iranian-American who is here today to share her amazing testimony,

00:00:09.400 what it was like growing up as a little girl in Iran, fearing the morality police, and

00:00:16.220 what it's like now to be liberated by Christ, and how she and the ministry that she is a

00:00:22.820 part of are working to share the gospel with the people of Iran.

00:00:27.260 You will be so encouraged by her testimony and by this conversation.

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00:00:49.520 Lily, thanks so much for taking the time to join us.

00:00:52.780 If you could tell everyone who you are and what you do.

00:00:55.180 Yes, of course, Allie.

00:00:56.280 Thank you so much for having me here.

00:00:58.040 It's such an honor.

00:00:59.340 Thank you.

00:00:59.820 So my name is Lily Meshi.

00:01:02.220 First and foremost, I'm a daughter of the Most High God, and professionally, I serve at a

00:01:08.380 ministry called Iran Alive Ministries, where we air the love of Christ through satellite

00:01:16.300 TV into people's homes in Iran and Afghanistan and some other regions in the Middle East.

00:01:22.500 Wow.

00:01:22.780 And tell me about your upbringing.

00:01:24.640 How did you come to do what you do now?

00:01:27.160 Yes.

00:01:28.220 So I was born and raised in Iran.

00:01:31.120 And when I was 16, my parents wanted us to emigrate from Iran to outside of Iran.

00:01:39.780 So anywhere except Iran, due to some, you know, economical challenges and my dad's business

00:01:47.320 and all that.

00:01:48.000 And so we moved to Germany, where my mom's side of the family lived at the time.

00:01:53.600 And I lived there for a couple of years.

00:01:56.580 And then my dad started a business venture in the U.S. with my uncle, who had been here

00:02:02.000 for a long time.

00:02:03.460 And we, one by one, we moved to the U.S.

00:02:07.400 And about a year after I moved to the U.S., I came to know Christ.

00:02:14.220 And, you know, ever since it's been over 24 years now, ever since I've been just growing

00:02:22.100 in my faith and wanting to serve.

00:02:25.840 So I'm just privileged to be able to serve there and share my faith with my other Iranians

00:02:31.820 and other Muslims from Iran.

00:02:33.520 So you were raised Muslim.

00:02:35.180 Yes.

00:02:35.560 Tell me what that was like, especially living in Iran.

00:02:38.480 Yes.

00:02:39.560 It was very restrictive when I was in Iran.

00:02:44.140 I can tell you the culture is such a shame and honor culture. 1.00

00:02:50.640 And so growing up, I really faced lots of challenges with shame and fear in general.

00:03:00.600 You know, if we had a couple extra strands of hair showing from under our head covering,

00:03:09.480 we would be shamed by morality police.

00:03:13.660 And we would even be arrested to go to the police station.

00:03:17.260 As a child?

00:03:17.900 As a child.

00:03:18.940 Were you ever arrested?

00:03:19.980 No, I wasn't.

00:03:21.020 But I was always afraid that I would be.

00:03:23.080 My mom and dad were always nervous about us going out by ourselves because they were like,

00:03:28.940 we don't want to pick you up from the police station because one or two many of your hair

00:03:36.400 is showing from your under.

00:03:38.520 And what would happen if there was a young woman who, say, had a strand of hair showing 0.99

00:03:42.700 from under her hijab and the morality police came and arrested her? 0.99

00:03:47.320 She was taken to the police station.

00:03:48.700 And what would be the consequence for her?

00:03:50.640 Yeah.

00:03:51.560 So basically, they go into detention.

00:03:55.820 And as you may remember, back in 2021, a girl by the name of Masa Amini was taken to

00:04:06.080 the police station by the morality police.

00:04:08.120 And she was beat up so severely that she died while in the custody of the police.

00:04:16.160 And so this has been happening over four decades now since the revolution, the Islamic revolution.

00:04:24.460 And people are just so scared and afraid because the government intimidates them by, you know,

00:04:33.020 scared tactics and all kinds of different fearful intimidation tactics that they have instilled

00:04:41.080 in people.

00:04:41.860 You know, you know, you know, that the consequences are going to be severe for just one strand of your hair

00:04:50.240 showing and for noncompliance and all that.

00:04:53.880 Yeah.

00:04:54.020 Um, it's, it's been, it's been brutal.

00:04:56.960 Tell me a little more about the Islamic revolution.

00:05:00.700 You said that was 40 years ago.

00:05:02.440 Yes.

00:05:02.780 I don't know much about that, but I have seen pictures of Iran before the Islamic revolution

00:05:08.520 where it looked like the women were dressed kind of like American women, right?

00:05:12.660 They were going to school.

00:05:14.260 They were leading what seemed like normal lives.

00:05:17.220 And then what happened during the Islamic revolution that changed everything? 0.86

00:05:22.440 Yes.

00:05:23.180 So I also was born after the Islamic revolution.

00:05:27.260 It happened in 1979.

00:05:29.560 So what happened was, um, Persian empire was, was one of the largest, you know, empires back

00:05:36.920 in the day when, um, Cyrus the King in the Bible, um, actually founded Persian empire.

00:05:42.800 And so, um, the monarchy for 2,600 years of monarchy turned into theocracy almost overnight

00:05:51.700 when the revolution happened in Iran and, um, people, um, it was actually, um, um, the desires

00:06:01.280 of the people for this Islamic revolution because they thought that, you know, um, the King was,

00:06:08.880 was, uh, doing them ugly and was, um, you know, using the, the, the rich resources of, of the

00:06:18.140 country, um, for their own goods and benefits.

00:06:21.780 And, um, and, you know, they, they don't really do, um, um, justice for, for the people.

00:06:28.220 And so, um, they thought that the Islamic revolution, a religion can save them because back then it 0.99

00:06:35.400 was very secular in Iran, like the secularism was, was prevalent and, um, no religion was

00:06:41.800 really being practiced as like the dictatorship, Islamic government.

00:06:47.760 It wasn't being enforced.

00:06:49.040 It wasn't being enforced.

00:06:49.880 People had the freedom.

00:06:51.340 Sharia law wasn't being enforced.

00:06:53.100 Absolutely.

00:06:53.280 There were a lot of Muslims there, but it wasn't really a matter of morality police coming

00:06:59.060 around and making sure that you're obeying all the laws, right?

00:07:01.900 And then the Islamic revolution happened and they said, nope, this is now a matter of this 0.97

00:07:06.580 state.

00:07:06.960 We're going to make sure you abide by all of these laws.

00:07:09.320 Yes.

00:07:09.780 And so you're, um, as someone that was born after the revolution, um, they just give you

00:07:17.720 a religion.

00:07:18.260 Like I was born as a Muslim.

00:07:21.240 I didn't have the choice to, um, or the freedom to choose my own religion.

00:07:26.980 I am automatically a Muslim if I was born after the revolution.

00:07:31.100 So that's, that's something that not only is it being enforced, but it's, it's being, um,

00:07:38.380 it's being, um, impressed upon, like it's being forced on you.

00:07:43.280 Yeah.

00:07:43.480 And so, um, so anyways, um, that's how it, uh, it turned into theocracy, um, uh, through

00:07:51.760 the revolution and people thought that religion or Islam can save them.

00:07:56.580 Um, but then after 40 plus years now, they realized that Islam is not the solution, but 1.00

00:08:04.760 the very problem.

00:08:05.900 And so most Iranians are rejecting Islam now.

00:08:09.840 Um, even though, um, the, um, a lot of people think that, you know, Iran is an Islamic country,

00:08:19.400 um, because of what the, um, uh, brutality and the cruelty that Iranians have been faced 0.78

00:08:26.920 with because of Islam, a lot of them have turned into different religions.

00:08:33.400 Um, some, most of them are seeking other religions.

00:08:38.300 Um, they, they think gospel, um, is something that they, they need to cling on.

00:08:43.440 And that's why it's open heaven in Iran right now, people's hearts and minds are ready to,

00:08:49.760 for something new because they're sick and tired of, of Islam and what has been, um, doing 1.00

00:08:56.600 to the people of Iran.

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00:09:58.640 When you are living in Iran as a child, learning about Islam, you mentioned the morality

00:10:06.180 police, but what else were you told about Islam, about women in Islam?

00:10:14.120 I know a little bit about Islamic beliefs, but I'm interested in what children are taught

00:10:20.160 from an early age.

00:10:21.320 Yes.

00:10:21.620 So from early age, they taught us in school that Islam is the only religion that can get

00:10:33.500 to God. 0.96

00:10:34.220 Every other religion is false except Islam. 1.00

00:10:38.560 And basically, they indoctrinate that type of theology into the children's minds to where 0.98

00:10:50.500 everyone else is in the wrong except Muslims. 1.00

00:10:56.100 And so they put the fear and hatred inside of children's hearts towards Americans who are 0.92

00:11:09.420 not Muslims, towards Israel, especially because they're Zionist and in their belief that they 0.83

00:11:22.200 have to be wiped off the map and they're the enemy and all that. 0.97

00:11:25.980 And so as children in school, we don't know why this hatred exists or I didn't even know.

00:11:33.220 And I just knew that this was the way of life and it was ingrained in me until I moved to

00:11:41.200 America.

00:11:41.920 And like, I now have a totally different worldview, but it was definitely, it is still happening

00:11:50.220 in Iran.

00:11:51.020 They indoctrinate their own beliefs and their own mindset in the hearts and the minds of

00:12:00.400 the children to really brainwash them. 0.66

00:12:03.340 Anti-West, anti-America, anti-Israel, anti-Christian, anti-Judaism.

00:12:09.320 Yes.

00:12:10.220 And do women and girls, I mean, I know you've already described kind of the violence that

00:12:15.320 they have to endure, but can you tell us a little bit more about what it's like to be

00:12:19.500 a woman or a girl in Iran?

00:12:21.020 Yes.

00:12:21.800 So women in Iran are treated as second class citizens. 0.94

00:12:28.060 The women really struggle with their identity in Iran because it is more about what can a woman 1.00

00:12:38.520 do for a man as opposed to who is she?

00:12:42.880 Nobody cares about who she is.

00:12:45.140 They all care about what can she contribute to add value to a man's life.

00:12:51.700 And a lot of times, you know, maybe it's not publicly or openly talked about, but they're

00:12:58.320 treated as a possession.

00:12:59.540 Their rights are violated in Iran.

00:13:04.860 You know, one of the things that's really bothersome and it irritates me every time I talk about

00:13:13.440 is that a woman's testimony in court is worth half of a man's, which really works against women 1.00

00:13:26.520 for, imagine, family laws, custody laws.

00:13:31.780 A lot of times, women are subject to advances to their male superior at work. 1.00

00:13:43.280 And so imagine if a woman is exploited at work, her own testimony is counted as half of a man's.

00:13:52.020 So they don't even listen to her because her testimony is worthless. 0.99

00:13:57.480 It's half of a man's. 0.83

00:13:58.600 And so that's really, that's a practice that's happening.

00:14:03.740 Inheritance law are favored towards men.

00:14:07.840 Men get double portion of whatever the inheritance is. 0.71

00:14:14.860 Even though women in Iran are very, very smart, very intelligent. 1.00

00:14:19.680 Like the number of enrollment at universities, women are twice as many as men's enrollment.

00:14:28.600 So women are allowed to go to university? 1.00

00:14:30.520 They are.

00:14:31.000 Okay.

00:14:31.340 Yes.

00:14:31.820 They are allowed to earn education.

00:14:35.560 However, only 19% of them are reported to be in the workforce.

00:14:41.800 Okay.

00:14:42.200 And the gender gap is around 40%.

00:14:46.280 So men earn, for the same job, 40% more than women do. 0.87

00:14:52.600 And so it's just, they do face economic challenges a lot.

00:14:58.400 And I think the system is set up to where women have absolutely no or very little autonomy. 0.98

00:15:07.960 And they want women to be dependent upon men for financial gains, for financial necessity. 0.68

00:15:16.220 And one thing that, one practice is, of course, child marriages.

00:15:23.760 The legal age to marry for a woman is 13, which leads to child marriages. 0.96

00:15:33.100 For men, for guys is 15.

00:15:36.340 And so that right there, it just leads to physiological challenges, psychological challenges for women from early age. 0.92

00:15:47.740 Then the workforce issues, because of all the, you know, they're vulnerable at workplaces.

00:15:57.720 And so they're being taken advantage of and all that.

00:16:00.800 And so one of the practices in Iran is called temporary marriages.

00:16:06.340 And what happens is, temporary marriage is really a loophole for legalized prostitution in Iran.

00:16:16.180 And what happens is, it's a period of time that a man and a woman agree upon to be legally married

00:16:26.080 so that, you know, the man could sexually have relationship with the woman without any implications.

00:16:36.340 And they have made it legalized for a certain period of time, for a certain amount of money.

00:16:44.780 It could be two hours.

00:16:46.760 It could be a week.

00:16:48.100 It could be months.

00:16:49.940 Whatever they determine it is.

00:16:52.480 But they have legalized it so men could have the freedom to have sex with other women 0.98

00:16:58.120 with no consequences or implications of the marriage.

00:17:02.240 And what happens if the woman gets pregnant? 1.00

00:17:04.900 Nothing.

00:17:05.560 They asked them to abort the baby.

00:17:08.480 In fact, it's funny you mentioned that.

00:17:11.980 We had a testimony that came to our ministry about the same thing.

00:17:16.700 Woman gets pregnant. 0.99

00:17:19.180 The woman wants to keep the baby. 1.00

00:17:24.460 The man says, no, it's my reputation.

00:17:26.960 You have to abort the baby. 0.76

00:17:28.300 Then he brings in an Arab guy to sell the 11 days old baby to an Arab. 1.00

00:17:39.060 And the woman flees and goes in hiding and all that. 0.94

00:17:43.520 And in one of the places that she was hiding, they were broadcasting, you know, gospel in

00:17:52.500 their own ethnic language, which was one of our programming.

00:17:55.580 And she came to faith right then and there.

00:17:57.740 She started praying that, you know, he would change his mind about selling the baby.

00:18:03.600 And so she comes to faith.

00:18:07.120 She starts, you know, praying and then he comes to faith.

00:18:09.800 And they come back together and they turn the temporary marriage into permanent marriage.

00:18:15.240 And they're living happily ever after, serving the Lord now.

00:18:19.120 But, um, there are, there are incidences that, you know, the woman becomes pregnant and they

00:18:27.080 don't want to have anything to do with, with that.

00:18:30.040 It was just very unfortunate.

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00:19:35.760 You were married young, correct?

00:19:37.500 Yes.

00:19:38.080 Tell me about that.

00:19:38.900 So when I was 18, I was introduced to my dad's business partner, who was 14 years older than

00:19:47.700 me.

00:19:48.520 And so in a way, this marriage was arranged for me.

00:19:55.180 And the string attached to it was the business that he was helping my dad to open.

00:20:01.200 And so in a way, I was forced by circumstances to marry him.

00:20:09.860 I did not like him.

00:20:11.880 I was not attracted to him at all.

00:20:14.600 But from the get-go, he started manipulating me.

00:20:22.220 You know, he exploited me sexually before marriage to seal the deal, so to speak, to say,

00:20:28.780 hey, you know, if I exploit her, she's going to stay with me. 0.67

00:20:32.180 And I was just scarred.

00:20:35.080 I was very hurt after that.

00:20:38.280 But I felt like I needed to be the savior of my family and just keep on going with this

00:20:45.720 arranged marriage, which turned very toxic, very abusive on all fronts.

00:20:52.700 And was this in the U.S.?

00:20:54.240 It was in the U.S.

00:20:55.380 Okay.

00:20:55.860 So a Muslim man came to your dad and was like, yeah, I want to marry your daughter.

00:21:02.220 And your dad, who was, I guess, strict theologically when it came to Islam, thought, yeah, this is 0.98

00:21:08.500 great.

00:21:08.800 This is a custom that we need to continue.

00:21:11.920 And so that's how that was set up.

00:21:13.680 Absolutely.

00:21:14.480 So growing up, my dad was very, very strict.

00:21:18.920 He was very overprotective.

00:21:21.120 And I thought of my dad always as my hero.

00:21:26.200 He was always very honoring, honorable.

00:21:30.520 And I thought, you know, if my dad is introducing this guy to me, he must be really good at age

00:21:37.420 18.

00:21:37.840 And it's worth to mention that when I was in Iran, it was a societal norm to, I had seen

00:21:48.580 and witnessed, you know, young girls being arranged to marry an older man who's semi-well-off.

00:21:57.920 And this was the way of life.

00:22:00.120 You know, I did not think anything of it.

00:22:03.440 I didn't even think it was a thing, like arranged marriage.

00:22:06.580 Later on, you know, I learned about arranged marriages, but I thought this was the culture. 0.78

00:22:12.500 This was something that we do as Iranians and as Muslims.

00:22:16.340 And so, yeah, he asked for my dad's permission to speak with me.

00:22:20.180 And my dad arranged that.

00:22:22.300 And he thought that he was doing me a favor.

00:22:26.280 But, you know, it turned south.

00:22:28.600 Yeah.

00:22:29.000 So tell me about the beginning of the marriage and how it turned abusive.

00:22:32.780 Yes.

00:22:33.720 So from the beginning, the foundation of this relationship was based on fear, intimidation,

00:22:41.420 manipulation.

00:22:41.820 And so going into it, it was very hurtful emotionally because then, you know, my dad's business was

00:22:54.640 always held over my head.

00:22:56.480 Like, I helped your dad do this and that.

00:23:00.180 And he would just use that as, you know, the winning card on me and all that.

00:23:06.260 And so he started, he started, like, asserting his dominance.

00:23:11.700 And like, he wanted to, to say, hey, I'm the dominating, you know, figure here in this marriage.

00:23:18.960 But you said you were 18?

00:23:20.520 I was 18.

00:23:21.080 And he was in his 30s?

00:23:22.440 Yes, 32.

00:23:23.400 Okay.

00:23:23.720 And so he wanted, from the beginning, he wanted to make sure that I know that he's

00:23:30.400 the alpha, he is the guy that dominates, he is, you know, his word is the final say and

00:23:37.980 all that.

00:23:38.380 And all of that is cultural disposition that he also had learned from back from home.

00:23:45.300 And so, you know, it turned abusive.

00:23:51.520 It turned into physical abuse.

00:23:53.740 Sometimes he would, he would accuse me of liking other men so much that it had, it just became

00:24:04.560 the biggest fear of his life.

00:24:06.940 And so one time, this actually happened a few times.

00:24:12.740 But one time I remember, like, as I was in, as I was sleeping, he started throttling my

00:24:20.040 neck.

00:24:21.320 And because he had a dream that, you know, I was with another man. 0.88

00:24:26.480 Like, he was very jealous, very controlling.

00:24:29.520 I woke up feeling I was being choked because of that.

00:24:33.860 And so there were just the physical struggle, the emotional and mental, verbal, it was just

00:24:42.180 constant, constant accusations.

00:24:45.700 Constantly, I was trying to prove myself trustworthy, that he can trust me.

00:24:52.500 He can't, you know, he, we can have a relationship based on trust.

00:24:59.640 But he, he always would just find other ways to accuse me of different things.

00:25:06.100 And were you still wearing like a hijab at this point in America?

00:25:10.860 Okay.

00:25:11.300 Oh, you were not.

00:25:12.380 Okay.

00:25:12.980 So the, the hijab is only enforced in Iran.

00:25:16.120 Yeah.

00:25:16.440 And like, if you're not a devout Muslim, you, if it's not, you know, enforced.

00:25:25.180 Okay.

00:25:25.280 So your dad didn't make you do that?

00:25:27.080 Your husband didn't make you do that? 0.95

00:25:28.460 We were nominal Muslim.

00:25:29.920 Like, again, you know, because we were born into that culture, we were known as Muslims,

00:25:34.920 but we weren't really practicing it to a T.

00:25:38.340 Yeah.

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00:26:35.500 When did you become a Christian?

00:26:41.400 Did you become a Christian while you were married?

00:26:44.120 So I became a Christian a year after I got married.

00:26:47.760 Okay.

00:26:48.080 And that's the story of me coming to faith because I was, you know, the relationship was

00:26:54.680 very toxic and I was so depressed at age 18.

00:26:59.160 Back then I was 19.

00:27:01.120 It was a year after.

00:27:01.980 I literally had no hopes for my life.

00:27:06.620 I felt trapped with him because of the way he was behaving, the way he was treating me.

00:27:14.560 He wouldn't let me go.

00:27:16.340 He would just, you know, manipulate me in every which way possible to keep me in this marriage.

00:27:23.300 And I didn't know if I wanted to continue education.

00:27:27.560 I started going to college.

00:27:28.660 He would follow me to college, peek through the windows of the classroom to see who I was

00:27:33.960 sitting next to.

00:27:34.900 And then he would monitor my phone afterwards to see who I was talking to and whatnot.

00:27:39.520 He was just, you know, like that.

00:27:42.360 And so, you know, it was an outlet for me to go to college and, you know, study and thinking

00:27:50.140 that I'm doing something good, a value for my life.

00:27:53.000 But then I would come home and he would just make me cry from his accusations and the way

00:27:57.860 he treated me and all that.

00:27:59.220 I just didn't know what to do anymore.

00:28:02.260 It was a period of my life that I was very, very down and depressed and in complete darkness,

00:28:09.920 thinking that I'm trapped in this relationship and there's no way out.

00:28:14.480 Um, that's when some of our friends, um, came to visit us out of a blue and, um, they brought

00:28:22.940 Jesus's film with them and they brought Bibles. 0.96

00:28:27.060 Um, came to visit you to your house?

00:28:29.160 Uh, they came to visit my parents.

00:28:31.140 They were family friends from back when we were in Iran.

00:28:34.720 They had moved to Oklahoma.

00:28:35.960 And when we moved to the U S we were in Austin, Texas, they came to visit us after so long.

00:28:41.560 And so they, they had become Christians in Oklahoma.

00:28:44.700 And so they wanted to share the gospel with us as well.

00:28:47.720 And so, um, when I went to visit them at my parents' house, um, they were watching Jesus's

00:28:54.660 film, um, in, in Farsi in my parents' living room.

00:28:59.300 And so when I went in, um, I started watching it with them, didn't think anything of it.

00:29:04.480 I was more of a dead person walking.

00:29:07.680 I was so numb to myself.

00:29:09.180 I thought I was betrayed by my own family being, you know, put up with this guy and in

00:29:14.540 my marriage, marital issues and all that.

00:29:17.080 I just didn't have any hopes.

00:29:18.900 I was just very aimless, no purpose in my life.

00:29:22.540 Didn't, didn't see the light at the end of the tunnel.

00:29:25.200 And so I sat there, watched, watched the movie and, um, got up to leave.

00:29:30.960 Um, one of the, one of the women there said, um, Lily, I know you've been through a lot.

00:29:38.160 Did you know that when you come to Christ, all your past will be gone and you will become 0.55

00:29:44.780 a new creation in Christ and everything will become new in him.

00:29:48.460 Um, and that just struck a chord with me because I had been wanting a new, fresh start.

00:29:55.480 I thought, well, my life had been wasted.

00:29:58.920 Um, I, I, what would it happen if I could have a do-over, if I could have a fresh start?

00:30:04.400 And when she said that, I knew the Holy Spirit was speaking through her.

00:30:08.560 Um, and so I didn't know back then, but I know now that the Holy Spirit was speaking

00:30:14.180 through her because that was the very thing I needed to hear back then.

00:30:18.160 And, um, so when I got up to leave, um, um, the daughter of this woman that said that to

00:30:24.540 me, um, walked me, uh, to the door and said, Lily, I know, I know that things are looking

00:30:31.300 very dark in your life and I know you've been struggling, um, but know that there is hope

00:30:38.500 and Christ can, um, can pull you out of this dungeon that you're in.

00:30:42.740 Um, do you mind if I share, um, a couple of verses from the Bible with you?

00:30:48.480 And at this point, I am thinking she's plotting something against me.

00:30:52.880 Everyone's against me.

00:30:54.060 Everyone wants to destroy me and whatnot.

00:30:57.420 And I was like, okay, whatever.

00:30:59.920 I mean, I've got nothing else to do.

00:31:01.460 Why did you think that everyone wanted to destroy you?

00:31:03.680 Because I felt that my immediate family, uh, was the blame for, um, arranging this marriage.

00:31:12.460 And they did that to destroy me.

00:31:15.000 And like, now I'm dealing with this man who's very toxic and doesn't trust me.

00:31:20.360 And, um, every, you know, every turn he moves, he, he just blames me for everything.

00:31:25.980 And I, I saw everyone as someone who wants to harm me, uh, who wants to do something to,

00:31:34.000 to, um, destroy my future and whatnot.

00:31:37.500 I just had become very defensive because of all the hurts and the exploitation and all that.

00:31:45.440 I was very sensitive, like, who, who's talking to me and about what, what do they want from me?

00:31:51.920 Like, I thought that everyone wants something from me.

00:31:54.580 Um, and so, um, when she shared that with me, um, she, she opened up the word of God and she started

00:32:02.040 reading John 1, 1 in the beginning was the word, the word was with God and the word was God.

00:32:07.940 And the word became flesh and dwelt among us, John 1, 14.

00:32:12.420 And the moment she read these two verses, um, even though I had no knowledge, no prior knowledge

00:32:20.900 about Jesus other than, you know, he was one of the prophets that performed many miracles.

00:32:27.280 I knew that I knew that I knew that Jesus was my Lord and savior.

00:32:31.620 And I had this, um, you know, Holy spirit encounter.

00:32:36.620 And now I, I, I know that it was the Holy spirit encounter that just made everything so clear to me.

00:32:43.480 And all my questions were answered.

00:32:46.560 Interestingly enough that, that afternoon, my sister met me at the mall and she said, Lily, um, 0.53

00:32:56.120 you know, these friends of my, um, our mom and dads, they say Jesus is God. 0.82

00:33:01.620 And I was like, that's ridiculous. 0.67

00:33:04.260 Who calls a man, God, um, that that's, they're, they're so deceived. 0.91

00:33:09.700 And so that afternoon I said that, and that evening it was revealed to me that Jesus is God.

00:33:18.280 And, um, it was so clear that I, I didn't even question it.

00:33:23.480 The moment she said the word became flesh and dwelt among us, I was like, that's God.

00:33:28.220 That must be God.

00:33:29.800 Yeah.

00:33:30.020 That's amazing.

00:33:30.680 And your parents, they, I guess, watched, you said it was a Jesus film, which is like

00:33:35.760 the gospel of Luke, right?

00:33:37.540 Yes.

00:33:38.080 What was their immediate reaction to hearing this?

00:33:42.520 Uh, they were, their hearts were softened by it and they saw something different in their

00:33:51.660 friends that they had never seen in the past.

00:33:56.460 Um, you know, um, you know, I talked with my dad and my mom, um, I was trying to record all

00:34:03.440 their testimonies and as to how they came to faith.

00:34:06.320 It's like, what were you thinking?

00:34:07.900 Like, they were like, the kind of love we saw and witnessed in, in our friends was so

00:34:14.540 different than anything we had experienced.

00:34:16.800 And so we were intrigued to know more about Christ as they were speaking to us.

00:34:22.080 And so it was, it was through their love and genuine care that, um, they accepted, um, to

00:34:30.780 read the Bible and to find out for themselves.

00:34:33.420 They started praying and they both have their own stories.

00:34:37.760 One had a vision in, in, in his dream.

00:34:40.520 My dad had a vision and my mom just felt that conviction that Jesus is Christ, um, one time

00:34:48.020 at, at church.

00:34:48.940 And so, uh, yeah, they both came to faith.

00:34:51.600 They didn't reject, um, Christianity at all because even though their background was, uh,

00:34:59.460 from Islam, they were open to even, to hear the gospel.

00:35:04.660 They were, they weren't rejecting it or anything.

00:35:06.880 My mom was afraid, my mom was scared because she thought that she was betraying God, the

00:35:14.040 father, if she calls Christ, um, God.

00:35:19.020 And so that took her a little bit to really receive that revelation.

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00:36:38.560 And what happened in your marriage after you became a Christian?

00:36:42.360 So I changed.

00:36:45.040 I started going to church.

00:36:46.880 I started reading the word.

00:36:49.680 I started receiving the kind of peace that transcends all understanding.

00:36:54.280 It was just, I was in the midst of so much hurts and abuse, but I had peace with it.

00:37:00.940 And, um, but it was, I was going through the sanctification process when, you know, when,

00:37:06.660 when I came to faith, I didn't know anything about Christ.

00:37:10.020 I had to learn about who he is, what he does, what, what is it, what are his ways, how, how

00:37:15.900 to even read the word, how to interpret it, all that.

00:37:20.460 So I was a very, very, um, baby Christian.

00:37:24.500 And so, but I was, I was committed to learning about Christianity.

00:37:30.180 Nothing really changed, um, to the dynamic of our marriage.

00:37:34.040 In fact, um, it was getting more and more abusive because of the bipolar disorder that

00:37:42.020 he had, like he would wake up one day and say, oh yeah, Jesus is Christ and he's awesome.

00:37:47.980 He's my best friend, all that.

00:37:49.420 The next day, um, you know, you're being deceived.

00:37:54.120 You're not, you know, Jesus is, is not who you think he is and all that.

00:37:59.260 I would be reading my Bible in the living room and he would just grab my Bible and throw

00:38:03.840 it across the room and say, this is all BS.

00:38:06.820 Why are you deceiving yourself?

00:38:08.300 What not?

00:38:09.280 So it was, it's, it's, I was in a very, um, difficult, you know, environment, um, in a way

00:38:18.320 kind of persecution from my own husband, um, but, um, was, was resident in our, in our home.

00:38:25.280 But, um, um, I thought based on my very immature, um, faith that he's in my life because he's

00:38:37.580 my assignment.

00:38:38.800 I thought that he's my cross to carry and I will not do anything against the word of God,

00:38:47.740 um, to divorce him or to, um, you know, separate from him or anything like that.

00:38:54.680 I thought that, you know, um, to, to live is Christ and part of it, you know, may come

00:39:02.140 with suffering and he's my suffering.

00:39:04.580 And he was still physically abusing you at this point?

00:39:07.880 Yes.

00:39:09.160 Yes.

00:39:09.680 He was very violent.

00:39:11.600 He was very aggressive.

00:39:13.460 Um, and so anyways, I just, um, I just stayed in the marriage and, um, let him, let him manipulate

00:39:23.380 me every which way.

00:39:25.240 And because of, you know, um, the word of God that says, you know, forgive.

00:39:30.840 And if your brother, you know, does you wrong, forgive seven times seven, you know, all that.

00:39:36.560 But going into this new faith, I still brought in my performance based faith to where everything

00:39:47.040 is on a skill system.

00:39:48.840 Like I have to, I have to do enough good to deserve God's, God's goodness and grace.

00:39:56.360 And so I looked at my new faith, um, as a Christian, as, you know, I need to do everything

00:40:06.100 right, um, such as bearing with his, you know, tolerating his abuse, um, carrying my, my cross,

00:40:15.980 um, bearing with him and let him abuse me, let him walk all over me, let him dominate

00:40:23.200 me. 0.54

00:40:24.160 Divorce is no option for me.

00:40:26.460 It was very black and white and cut and dry.

00:40:29.600 I did not understand that Christianity is not a religion.

00:40:35.960 Christianity is our way to have a relationship with God the Father through what Christ has

00:40:41.700 done for us and through the Holy Spirit that lives on the inside of us.

00:40:45.600 I approached it as a religion and a set of do's and don'ts as opposed to, I hear uniquely from

00:40:54.280 the Holy Spirit, what is it that the Father wants for me?

00:40:57.920 What is it that I need to accomplish?

00:41:01.140 What is my purpose here?

00:41:02.960 What does he want me to learn from the situation?

00:41:07.120 Does the Father want me to stay in this abusive relationship or he wants peace for me?

00:41:12.800 He wants, um, growth for me.

00:41:15.540 He wants, um, me to live out my purpose.

00:41:19.040 Which, which one is it that he wants for me?

00:41:21.760 There may be for some people that I want you to stay in this relationship.

00:41:27.920 Because I'm doing something in you.

00:41:30.680 But for, for me, after 14 years, um, the Lord clearly released me from, from this marriage

00:41:39.440 because it wasn't my cross to carry to begin with.

00:41:42.640 I just made it my own cross based on my own perception, my own misinterpretation of the

00:41:49.360 word of God, my own failure to hear the voice of God for my life, uniquely for me, not, not

00:41:57.580 based on set of rules of do's and don'ts.

00:42:00.580 Hmm.

00:42:01.500 Yeah.

00:42:02.060 Just to clarify a couple of things that I'm sure that you would agree with anyone who

00:42:07.820 is in an abusive relationship needs to find safety and should leave that, should absolutely

00:42:14.280 leave that marriage. 1.00

00:42:15.420 Yeah.

00:42:15.980 Sometimes marriages are difficult and there is disagreement.

00:42:19.800 And I have Christian friends who are married to unbelieving husbands and that is, you know,

00:42:25.580 very hard.

00:42:26.300 And God does use those marriages to sanctify those women, to draw those women to himself.

00:42:32.360 Marriage isn't always going to be easy, but an abusive marriage, a woman needs to find refuge 1.00

00:42:38.100 for herself, for her children, and also totally agree with you about the legalism that sometimes

00:42:45.640 comes into our mind of this like performance-based religion, that if we do this, then we get this

00:42:51.300 in return, or if we don't do this, then God doesn't love us or he loves us less.

00:42:56.080 Christianity is a religion in that, you know, like the book of James says, like pure religion

00:43:01.920 is this, it's taking care of widows and orphans. 0.96

00:43:05.240 And so it is a religion, but it's different than Islam. 0.91

00:43:08.840 It's different than every other religion in that every other faith tells you, this is 0.93

00:43:13.500 how you can get to God.

00:43:14.860 This is how you earn it.

00:43:16.100 This is how you climb up the mountain.

00:43:17.920 You show yourself worthy and then maybe God will look down upon you and show favor to you.

00:43:23.180 But Christianity is that, no, there's nothing you can do to earn it. 0.98

00:43:27.940 Christ came down from the mountain, proverbial mountain, and came to you because you could not 0.76

00:43:34.060 save yourself.

00:43:34.760 There's nothing you can do to climb up.

00:43:36.760 There's nothing you can do to clean yourself up or to make yourself worthy of my love.

00:43:41.500 Christ made us worthy.

00:43:43.020 He gave us his righteousness.

00:43:45.060 And so it is a religion in a sense, but it's different because of that relationship aspect,

00:43:51.440 because of the grace, because there's nothing we can do to earn our salvation.

00:43:56.160 And no matter someone's background, that takes a long time.

00:44:00.120 I mean, it might even take our whole lives for us to really understand God's love and

00:44:05.240 grace for us through Christ.

00:44:07.640 So I imagine it was especially transformative for you considering your background.

00:44:12.360 Yes, absolutely.

00:44:13.920 It was the one thing that sets Christianity apart from any other religions out there is that 1.00

00:44:22.820 we are given this advocate and the comforter and the Holy Spirit that teaches us all things.

00:44:30.480 And we can rely on that.

00:44:33.000 And that was the aspect that came to me as a revelation that I didn't understand as a baby in Christ.

00:44:41.080 Um, and, um, you know, it just leaning in to, to hearing the promptings in our spirit through

00:44:51.520 the Holy Spirit, leaning into hearing the voice of God through the Holy Spirit is something that

00:44:57.180 absolutely sets, sets Christianity apart from every, every other religions out there. 0.98

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00:45:55.280 So you got out of that abusive marriage, and how did you meet your current husband?

00:46:05.240 We actually met through a mutual friend, and it was very difficult for me to

00:46:16.360 to see myself with another man.

00:46:21.900 It took about eight years of healing and recovery from all the hurts and the pains on the inside

00:46:29.420 of me because I had developed this outlook that all men are abusive and controlling and

00:46:37.300 jealous, and they just want to exploit women.

00:46:40.360 And I had closed myself up to any possibility of marriage or dating or anything like that.

00:46:50.360 I just did not want to have any man in my life.

00:46:55.100 And it took a couple of years after I met my current husband for the Lord to really convict me of

00:47:08.340 this mindset because I was absolutely against the institution of marriage.

00:47:13.100 I was against it, and I thought that I knew that this was not God's will, but I was against it

00:47:22.820 because of all the hurts and the pains and the experiences I had.

00:47:26.440 And so I had formed this deception in my head that marriage is not for everyone.

00:47:33.600 And that was a journey that the Holy Spirit convicted me of, that marriage is God's will.

00:47:45.120 Marriage is something that God has in store for me.

00:47:49.560 And my perspective changed completely in that period of time to where I wanted to do the will

00:48:00.720 of God and to marry, whereas before I was totally against it, totally against it.

00:48:09.780 And it was through this marriage that the Lord redeemed me from all my pains and all my hurts in the past.

00:48:19.740 I always say it was a divine encounter that the moment I opened myself up to the will of God in my life,

00:48:29.960 the Lord brought the right person into my life, to be alongside me, to complement me,

00:48:38.900 to do ministry together, to serve together.

00:48:42.240 Tell me about your ministry.

00:48:44.640 What is it doing right now?

00:48:46.520 Yes.

00:48:47.360 So right now, as we mentioned, darkness is so abundant in Aaron.

00:48:56.660 I mean, the sexual immorality is increasing.

00:49:01.700 Suicide rate is increasing.

00:49:03.760 Rate of addiction is going through the roof.

00:49:06.940 And people are becoming more desperate and more hopeless every day.

00:49:12.580 Because of the governmental restrictions, the unjust, unfair treatments of people,

00:49:22.140 and so many different brutality that's happening in Iran.

00:49:27.440 And so what we do, because missionaries cannot go to Iran, and there's risks of persecution,

00:49:40.580 execution, all that in Iran.

00:49:43.040 And so through the satellite TV, we beam into people's homes the love of Christ and the gospel.

00:49:51.700 And we basically broadcast church services for those that are believers.

00:49:59.280 We share the gospel with non-believers.

00:50:03.700 You know, we have teachings for women and their identity on our channel, and children, kids.

00:50:10.700 So movies that are faith-based, they're all being aired in Farsi.

00:50:17.300 And so over the years, Iran Alive Ministries has been ministering to Iranians since 2000.

00:50:26.120 And so over the last 24 years, 100,000 people, over 100,000 people have contacted us and documented their salvation.

00:50:37.380 And we know that so many others, because of the risk of getting found out and the persecution,

00:50:44.360 they don't ever reach out or anything.

00:50:46.000 We believe that there are millions of believers in Iran right now, an estimated 2 million now.

00:50:53.460 And the Christian movement is picking up momentum in Iran.

00:50:59.340 The discipleship-making movement is picking up momentum in Iran.

00:51:03.980 And more and more people are becoming open to the gospel and receiving Christ, which is an amazing phenomenon.

00:51:13.740 Iran has the fastest-growing evangelical population in the world.

00:51:20.200 You know, the operations manual was saying that the—I think in 2019, Iran had a rate of 19% of evangelical population.

00:51:32.760 So they're growing every single day.

00:51:35.380 And because of the discipleship-making movement, it's, you know, it's growing even more than that now.

00:51:41.180 And what consequences do they face if it were found out that they were watching church services at home?

00:51:47.880 So there are house raids that are happening, you know, almost every day.

00:51:54.460 So people have to be very, very cautious to practice Christianity in Iran, even like during worship and praise.

00:52:04.420 Like if we do a lot of praise and worship in Farsi on our channel, they have to turn down the volume so much.

00:52:11.520 They can't even hear themselves worship because if a neighbor hears them and reports them, they're going to be arrested.

00:52:16.660 And sometimes executed, sometimes are being sent to exile.

00:52:23.580 It's just, you know, the repercussion of being a Christian in Iran is very severe.

00:52:29.520 Have you guys received any formal opposition from the government there in Iran?

00:52:34.900 Because y'all have distributed over 100,000 Bibles, right?

00:52:38.760 Yes.

00:52:39.060 Since 2001, I believe.

00:52:41.060 Yes.

00:52:41.280 And so I imagine they don't like Iran alive over there. 0.98

00:52:45.140 They do not.

00:52:46.040 They do not.

00:52:47.040 We actually, there were some government officials that came to faith and contacted us.

00:52:53.800 Wow.

00:52:54.080 And they said that the government is scared of the movement that is happening in Iran and they want to shut it off every way possible that they get.

00:53:06.460 The founder of the ministry gets death threats all the time.

00:53:10.980 I mean, they're threatening us, but they haven't been able to take down the satellite dishes and they haven't been able to prevail the move of God in Iran, which is great. 0.68

00:53:26.100 Yes.

00:53:26.480 Praise God.

00:53:27.660 Yes.

00:53:28.040 And what can this audience do?

00:53:30.300 How can they support you guys?

00:53:32.420 Pray for Iranians' hearts and minds to open even more to the message of Christ and for the veil to be removed from their sides because the people of Iran are desperate and exhausted. 0.89

00:53:53.140 And they're seeking freedom, but they think that the freedom comes through democracy.

00:54:04.020 But we want to bring to them the ultimate freedom that comes only by Christ.

00:54:10.820 And so I would say just pray, share the stories that are coming.

00:54:18.980 You know, we put them on our website, iranalive.org.

00:54:22.560 Share them with your neighbors, with your friends, with your circle of people.

00:54:27.200 Bring awareness about what's happening in Iran because the misconception is that Iran is an Islamic country.

00:54:32.820 And most people think that the government and people are the same, whereas the government is very separated from the people.

00:54:42.100 People are open to the gospel while the government is an agent of antichrist.

00:54:49.040 And so, you know, so just bring awareness, support our work so that we can continue on sharing the gospel with Iranians and the people in the Middle East.

00:55:01.320 Just, yeah, most importantly, just pray.

00:55:04.960 Thank you so much.

00:55:06.060 And I will put the link to the website where people can learn more about it.

00:55:10.660 Donate if they're able to.

00:55:12.520 Can they follow you?

00:55:14.340 Yes.

00:55:14.780 They can.

00:55:15.460 Okay, where can they follow you?

00:55:17.320 So I am personally on Instagram, Lily Meshi, and Iran Alive Ministries also is on Instagram, Twitter and TikTok and all that.

00:55:30.080 All that good stuff.

00:55:30.680 Yes.

00:55:31.460 And we also have a phone number, which if you don't mind me saying, I can just let people know.

00:55:38.000 They can text the word Iran to 85789 and we send them updates and stories.

00:55:45.240 We have all become text savvy nowadays, so we would rather do text.

00:55:50.000 So if they are interested in connecting with us, that's also another way.

00:55:53.900 Okay, awesome.

00:55:54.620 Well, Lily, thank you so much.

00:55:55.920 And God bless your ministry.

00:55:57.320 Thank you.

00:55:57.680 Just the courage that you guys have.

00:55:59.340 We will definitely be praying.

00:56:00.680 Thank you.

00:56:01.100 I appreciate you, Ali.

00:56:01.940 Thank you so much.

00:56:03.200 Thank you.

00:56:03.500 Thank you.

00:56:03.820 Thank you.

00:56:10.500 Thank you.

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Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - December 16, 2024

Ep 1115 ｜ Islam Taught Her to Hate Christians — Then She Became One ｜ Guest： Lily Meschi

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