Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1133 ｜ Birth Control Made Her Blind; IVF Made Her Pro-Life ｜ Guest： Chelsey Painter Davis

00:00:00.780 Chelsea Painter Davis is known as The Blind Mom on her podcast and on Instagram. 0.98

00:00:06.800 She has an incredible testimony of how she has trusted the Lord through many challenges.

00:00:12.620 She became blinded by hormonal birth control when she was 19 years old.

00:00:18.120 Fast forward a few years when she was pregnant with her son.

00:00:21.880 She was pressured for weeks and weeks by her doctor to have an abortion.

00:00:27.020 She has such a unique look on life, not only because of her blindness and her pregnancy

00:00:33.940 complications, but also because of the circumstances surrounding her conception.

00:00:38.960 She is an IVF baby and describes herself as an IVF survivor.

00:00:44.340 Her look on the sanctity of life and the faithfulness of the Lord is so refreshing and encouraging.

00:00:51.280 You're going to love this conversation with Chelsea.

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00:01:09.920 Chelsea, thanks so much for taking the time to join me.

00:01:12.720 Oh, I'm so happy to be here today.

00:01:14.180 Thank you, Allie.

00:01:14.900 Yes, we were just talking.

00:01:16.980 Always have people send me your videos and they're so fun.

00:01:21.880 They're so entertaining.

00:01:22.640 But they're also really encouraging.

00:01:25.460 Your podcast is called Blind Mom Life.

00:01:28.080 That's kind of like the moniker that you're known by on Instagram, the blind mom. 0.86

00:01:31.800 So tell me a little bit about like why you started your page, why you started your podcast.

00:01:36.200 Yes, I have.

00:01:39.260 Oh, my goodness.

00:01:40.420 I have always been a huge pro-life enthusiast and I just never really felt like I could do much about it.

00:01:48.700 But as I've gone through my life, I have racked up quite a challenging testimony and I just really saw opportunity with now that I've healed through a lot of these things, how I could use them to point not just to my pro-life ethic that I get from my faith, but also how this really applies to all the decisions that you make in your life.

00:02:13.680 Like don't give up on your life just because it's difficult and I really saw an opportunity there to share.

00:02:20.360 And it was kind of scary at first.

00:02:22.140 I was like, I don't really know what I'm doing.

00:02:23.540 But the more that we've started making videos and putting things out there, it's just it's really good to see how people are hungry for just that encouragement.

00:02:30.940 Like just because you're pregnant and in crisis, like your life is not over, like we can handle this, you can get through this just because you had a horrible accident and now you're disabled for the rest of your life. 0.94

00:02:41.140 Like you can do this and people really need to hear that.

00:02:44.240 And all of these things are a part of your story.

00:02:48.640 Can you tell us how long you've been blind?

00:02:50.920 I lost my vision when I was 19 years old.

00:02:53.100 I'm 29 now.

00:02:54.360 So I just hit my 10 year anniversary this past Christmas.

00:02:58.380 It was it was really hard.

00:03:00.380 I I thought I'd adjusted really well to it.

00:03:03.480 And I think I think I have.

00:03:04.700 But there's only so much you can there's only so much you can be OK with when you grew up one way, thought you were going to spend the rest of your life like that.

00:03:12.540 And then you get hit with near total blindness.

00:03:16.040 But it's just it's every day just.

00:03:19.040 Yeah.

00:03:19.600 Not quitting.

00:03:20.560 And tell us what happened.

00:03:21.880 How did you become blind when you were 19?

00:03:23.440 Yes.

00:03:24.200 So I started taking birth control pills because that's what all the little good Protestant girls do. 1.00

00:03:32.100 Or so I thought when you're about to get married, I sat down with my primary care physician, discussed what my options were.

00:03:39.840 I had done some research myself because I was very exposed to pro-life issues, pro-life ethics.

00:03:45.780 Growing up a survivor of IVF, I just I wasn't afraid of these topics.

00:03:50.160 And so I had noticed online they were saying sometimes birth control pills can cause the lining in your uterus to thin and that can accidentally keep the embryo or the zygote from attaching.

00:04:05.220 And that really concerned me.

00:04:07.100 So I wanted to have a real conversation with my primary care physician.

00:04:10.300 When I came in, I was like, I want to choose something that's like safe, something that's effective and something that's ethical.

00:04:16.480 And she was not interested in having that conversation with me.

00:04:20.500 I felt really belittled just by something as simple as facial expressions.

00:04:25.780 When I was talking to her, it really felt like she just wanted me to take the prescription and leave.

00:04:30.820 She didn't want to discuss what that medication would actually do to my reproductive system. 1.00

00:04:38.080 Or the embryo, because what you're saying, and some people don't know this, we've talked about this on the show too, but birth control, any kind of hormonal birth control might not actually prevent you from becoming pregnant.

00:04:51.380 It might not prevent the fertilization of an egg.

00:04:53.880 It can.

00:04:54.400 It's supposed to prevent ovulation, but it doesn't always.

00:04:56.720 So what can happen is that fertilized egg, because you're on birth control, because like you said, the lining of the uterus is being thinned, that embryo, that fertilized egg just can't attach to the wall.

00:05:09.120 It's preventing not the fertilization, but the implantation in that case.

00:05:14.460 And if we believe, as we do, that life starts at conception at that point of fertilization, then that means that hormonal birth control has the potential to be abortifacient, which is where the ethical concerns rightly come in.

00:05:27.300 The Catholic Church has always been like super strong and clear on that.

00:05:30.280 You mentioned like being Protestant.

00:05:31.660 I'm Protestant too.

00:05:32.500 There was like less guidance on that growing up.

00:05:35.040 And so it just seems like you were trying to understand, okay, because you said you're about to get married at that point.

00:05:41.620 You were just trying to understand like, okay, I want birth control, but I also have these concerns and the doctor wasn't super helpful.

00:05:48.060 Exactly.

00:05:48.860 And now as an adult looking back on it, I think she didn't know.

00:05:53.580 She was a nurse practitioner. 0.99

00:05:54.860 I think she genuinely didn't understand.

00:05:56.780 And that's where those weird facial expressions were coming from.

00:05:59.700 But in my teenager mind, I felt like I was being judged.

00:06:04.360 I felt like I was being pushed. 1.00

00:06:05.840 I felt like she was looking at me like I was stupid. 0.99

00:06:08.280 And so I just said, whatever, just give me the pills. 0.99

00:06:10.860 Like at that point, I'm sitting in a doctor's office with puppy stickers on the wall and my mom and a nurse practitioner staring at me, talking to me about sex.

00:06:20.860 I just wanted to be out of that room.

00:06:22.740 I didn't want to do it anymore.

00:06:24.060 I didn't want to have that conversation anymore.

00:06:26.540 And so I just started taking the medication.

00:06:28.300 And I did not really feel okay with that.

00:06:32.300 But I was a virgin at the time.

00:06:34.640 I wasn't having sex.

00:06:35.840 I was like, okay, well, it's not that big of a deal.

00:06:38.280 Like it's not like I'm causing any problems with the baby right now.

00:06:41.660 Like it's not even possible for me to be pregnant right now.

00:06:43.940 But next time I see that PCP, I'm going to ask, I'm going to push her.

00:06:47.820 I'm going to switch.

00:06:48.600 I've double checked my research.

00:06:50.100 I know I'm right.

00:06:51.680 And I'm just going to find something different.

00:06:53.640 But before I could do that, I ended up in the hospital with a pulmonary embolism.

00:06:57.740 I almost died.

00:06:59.540 And later, recovering from that.

00:07:02.940 How many, how long had you been taking birth control at that point?

00:07:05.820 Two weeks.

00:07:06.560 When you had the pulmonary embolism.

00:07:07.620 Really?

00:07:08.140 Only two weeks.

00:07:09.020 And that is also a potential side effect of hormonal birth control that a lot of people

00:07:12.700 don't realize.

00:07:14.380 Yes.

00:07:14.920 It was something that got run through very quickly, the possible side effects of the

00:07:19.920 birth control.

00:07:20.840 You know, they give you like the little paper.

00:07:22.600 But you see like heart attack, pulmonary embolism, stroke, death, pain.

00:07:27.740 You don't take that seriously, especially when you're only 18, 19 years old.

00:07:31.300 Yeah.

00:07:31.820 So I was just like, okay, whatever.

00:07:33.460 Like that's not going to happen to me.

00:07:35.220 Even though I just had a friend die from taking hormonal birth control, you still just don't

00:07:43.120 think that's possible.

00:07:44.080 How did that friend die?

00:07:45.020 She also threw a clot. 0.99

00:07:48.100 She died before the paramedics could get there.

00:07:50.820 Wow.

00:07:51.360 And, but for some reason you still think like, oh, that's a fluke.

00:07:55.460 That doesn't mean there's something wrong with birth control.

00:07:57.080 That just means, oh, well, there was something wrong in her body that would never happen to

00:08:00.360 me.

00:08:00.860 This is a horrible, horrible tragedy.

00:08:02.460 It could never happen again.

00:08:03.860 But I threw a clot too.

00:08:06.440 I was amazingly lucky.

00:08:07.820 That's why I say I'm lucky I didn't die like she did.

00:08:10.660 Um, I recovered from my pulmonary embolism.

00:08:13.700 They realized that I had blood clotting disorders and combined with the birth control pills.

00:08:18.700 That's what threw the clot.

00:08:20.360 But I started getting headaches after and I went to see that same PCP and I said, hey,

00:08:27.520 um, my head hurts really bad.

00:08:29.420 Like I'm trying to take my college classes.

00:08:31.820 I just had my wedding and Tylenol won't cut it.

00:08:35.100 Like I cannot get this headache to go away.

00:08:36.820 And the same kind of attitude of like, I really kind of need you to leave this office.

00:08:42.280 She just looks at me and she's like, okay, Chelsea, you need to understand that issue

00:08:46.720 with the blood clots is over.

00:08:48.780 You're not sick anymore.

00:08:50.120 You're just really stressed out.

00:08:52.580 You need to cut a few college classes and go get a massage. 1.00

00:08:55.940 Like you just need to calm down.

00:08:57.440 And I was so embarrassed.

00:08:58.960 And that appointment, I just completely shut down on myself.

00:09:03.540 And I believed her.

00:09:05.300 I really genuinely thought I had just been over dramatizing it.

00:09:09.360 Um, I'd had, I mean, planning a wedding is very stressful.

00:09:12.740 It's, it's very hard to get married at 19 years old because everybody thinks that it's

00:09:16.860 silly and they don't take you seriously.

00:09:19.900 And it's just hard. 0.99

00:09:21.440 And so I just completely thought everything she was saying to me was true.

00:09:25.920 And now looking back, one of the biggest regrets in my life is that my husband knew something

00:09:31.020 was wrong and he begged me to go to the emergency room when these headaches wouldn't go away.

00:09:35.920 Like I was standing up and I would vomit trying to go to class.

00:09:39.420 I, I couldn't take any noise.

00:09:40.900 So it's not just, oh, this is uncomfortable.

00:09:43.160 This was like migraine level.

00:09:45.100 Severe.

00:09:45.580 So severe.

00:09:46.120 I couldn't get out of bed.

00:09:47.120 I had to drop out of college.

00:09:49.000 It was so bad.

00:09:50.100 And I just, I just told my husband, I said, I'm not going to go back to the hospital and

00:09:53.360 have someone embarrass me again.

00:09:54.420 She told me it's just stress.

00:09:55.900 I just need to calm down.

00:09:57.260 That's it.

00:09:58.160 And I was so, so, so wrong.

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00:11:16.860 So you didn't consider just like stopping the birth control pills on your own?

00:11:21.420 I had stopped the birth control pills after the pulmonary embolism.

00:11:24.080 Oh, you did.

00:11:24.740 Okay.

00:11:25.120 Yes.

00:11:25.460 So once you throw a clot from birth control pills, the immediate standard of care is that

00:11:29.700 you do not take hormonal birth control ever again.

00:11:31.560 And then especially combined with my blood clotting disorders, I'm on anticoagulants for

00:11:36.200 the rest of my life.

00:11:36.980 So the absolute worst thing I could do is add in hormonal birth control. 0.74

00:11:41.300 So this is just side effects from having taken it at all.

00:11:45.400 And I got worse and worse.

00:11:49.120 I didn't realize how bad my vision was deteriorating because I kept making up excuses.

00:11:55.020 I was like, oh, well, we just moved into this new studio apartment and it's just really

00:11:59.040 dim in here.

00:12:00.020 Like there's not a lot of windows, you know, we're kind of poor.

00:12:02.580 We just got married.

00:12:03.680 It's fall.

00:12:04.540 It's turning into winter.

00:12:05.880 Oh, I just need a new pair of glasses.

00:12:07.740 Like there's nothing really going on.

00:12:09.460 And it wasn't until my mom came to visit me for Thanksgiving and we were setting up the

00:12:13.640 Christmas tree because I'm that kind of person.

00:12:15.580 Yeah.

00:12:15.980 She asked me to hand her the purple Christmas ornament and I was holding two of them and

00:12:20.280 I couldn't tell which one it was.

00:12:21.780 And that's when we knew something was very, very wrong.

00:12:24.480 But that was scary.

00:12:25.300 You go into such a state of denial for that.

00:12:29.220 I just, there's really two phases of denial for blindness.

00:12:33.300 Number one is that there's anything wrong with your vision at all.

00:12:36.740 You don't want to believe that.

00:12:37.980 And then number two, it's that this is going to be permanent.

00:12:41.340 So I fully went to the doctor thinking that they were going to fix me.

00:12:44.900 They were going to give me some pill or something or, and I was going to be fine.

00:12:48.620 But I ended up having pseudotumor cerebri, which is a buildup of cerebral spinal fluid that

00:12:55.340 squished my optic nerves to death.

00:12:57.840 And because I was so delayed in coming to get a proper diagnosis, there was nothing they

00:13:03.460 could do.

00:13:04.880 I, the first round of treatment they tried, which is a diuretic, did nothing.

00:13:08.380 And secondly, they put a drain in my spine to get rid of that extra fluid.

00:13:13.160 And all that did was keep me alive.

00:13:15.260 I am almost totally blind.

00:13:17.140 I lost all this vision within a matter of a few months.

00:13:21.080 And the whole time I was in the doctor, they were blaming me.

00:13:24.180 They're saying like, well, this just happens to women in their 20s who are overweight. 0.99

00:13:27.700 Like, we don't know why, but it's just women like you get this. 1.00

00:13:31.480 Like, we have no idea, but that's just how it is.

00:13:34.640 And maybe if you hadn't eaten so many cupcakes, this wouldn't happen to you.

00:13:38.500 And once again, like, why would I not believe my doctor?

00:13:41.560 Like, my doctor is supposed to be on my side.

00:13:43.520 My doctor is supposed to be telling me the truth.

00:13:45.180 But as soon as I went home and they washed their hands of me medically, I started seeing 0.99

00:13:50.400 all these lawsuits on the television, listening to it.

00:13:54.700 And they were like, have you been blinded by pseudotumor cerebri?

00:13:57.740 And the more I looked into it, birth control companies found out in their clinical trials

00:14:02.560 that their medication was causing pseudotumor cerebri, and they just decided not to put it

00:14:08.800 on the bottle.

00:14:09.880 Are you able to say what the brand was?

00:14:12.160 I am not sure.

00:14:13.760 If you're not, that's okay.

00:14:14.720 You don't have to.

00:14:15.900 I know that, you know, I was taking a birth control pill, again, like, it was not for,

00:14:22.700 not even to prevent pregnancy.

00:14:24.120 It was like, all of my friends were told we had, like, PCOS or if our, like, period was

00:14:28.980 just, like, a little bit delayed when we were 17.

00:14:31.280 Everyone was put on birth control.

00:14:32.760 So many.

00:14:33.060 Even if we weren't sexually active, which we were not.

00:14:36.660 But I was put on Yaz because that's what everyone was. 0.99

00:14:39.540 And now I see those commercials, like, if you took Yaz and then you got, like, a breast 0.93

00:14:43.780 cancer diagnosis or something.

00:14:45.360 And it's like, I don't even remember hearing any potential side effects of those.

00:14:50.080 And I wasn't on it for very long because I just realized I don't need this and it doesn't

00:14:53.780 make me feel good.

00:14:54.880 But, I mean, there are women who are on those for years and years and years and never know 1.00

00:15:00.000 that the reason that they're feeling bad is because their hormones are jacked up or whatever

00:15:04.820 else is in the birth control.

00:15:07.440 And I feel like the doctors are so invested in protecting birth control just as a whole

00:15:12.440 industry that they're not really sitting there and being honest with you.

00:15:15.900 It took about a year after my symptoms started for me to sit down with my hematologist, my new

00:15:23.780 hematologist.

00:15:24.600 And he said, do you realize when he was taking my patient history, he's like, you realize that

00:15:29.120 you didn't have any problems with you until you started taking those birth control pills.

00:15:32.920 And once you started taking them, you were hospitalized four times in one year.

00:15:37.480 Your body went, it was wrecked as soon as you started taking those.

00:15:41.300 And I was, by that point, I was like, yeah, I started to figure that out.

00:15:44.500 But when I was going through the process with the neuro-ophthalmologist, with the primary

00:15:48.860 care physician who prescribed me the birth controls in the first place, they're not bringing

00:15:52.380 it up.

00:15:52.940 And in a way, like, I almost kind of understand because the birth control companies did lie

00:15:57.620 and they refused to put it on the warning labels.

00:15:59.680 But at the same time, how many doctors actually read those warning labels?

00:16:03.580 Do they really know what they're prescribing to you?

00:16:05.900 And unfortunately for me, it had lasting permanent side effects.

00:16:09.940 I will, I'll never see again.

00:16:11.820 There's, there's nothing they can do for me.

00:16:14.660 So is it confirmed that the blindness was caused by the birth control?

00:16:18.300 There's no other possibility for the cause?

00:16:20.300 There is a possibility that I just got it.

00:16:23.000 That it's just random.

00:16:24.340 That it's just random.

00:16:25.120 That's what the first doctors were trying to tell me.

00:16:27.100 But there is a lot of information online about how it is connected to birth control pills

00:16:33.600 or hormonal, hormonal contraceptive.

00:16:36.620 And it makes so much sense because when he's telling me like, you just, it just happens to

00:16:42.080 women in their twenties.

00:16:43.320 And I was like, you mean people who are on birth control?

00:16:46.520 Yeah, that's true.

00:16:47.960 It's a very interesting correlation you're suggesting there.

00:16:51.000 But I even watched, um, cause it is in my mind, I'm still questioning.

00:16:56.400 I'm like, maybe I just got it.

00:16:57.720 Maybe, maybe this is really what happened, but I'm never going to know for sure because

00:17:02.620 I can't go back and try my life a different way.

00:17:04.920 But I did watch a whole, a seminar for medical school, um, by a neuro ophthalmologist.

00:17:10.040 He was teaching the other, the students and he literally went through with them like pseudotumor

00:17:15.180 cerebri, some causes.

00:17:16.400 I know it says in your textbook that, um, hormonal birth control causes pseudotumor cerebri.

00:17:21.680 You need to understand that a lot of times it just happens to women, even though that's 0.99

00:17:25.400 not what your textbook says.

00:17:26.620 Listen to what I say, except if there's a venous sinus thrombosis involved, then it's definitely

00:17:31.460 the birth control pills.

00:17:32.520 I did have a venous sinus thrombosis involved.

00:17:35.060 Okay.

00:17:35.260 Tell us what that is.

00:17:36.380 Okay.

00:17:36.740 So that is a clot that you have, um, that they noticed on the MRI for me.

00:17:41.460 And there was so much going on, um, in those three, the three times I was hospitalized,

00:17:46.960 it was within a month of each other.

00:17:49.020 I couldn't even keep track of everything that was going wrong in my body at the time.

00:17:53.260 But when he was going through that in the medical school, I'm like, I'm recognizing these

00:17:56.820 terms and I know they're on my chart.

00:17:58.320 And he was confirming, he's like, if you see this, then it was.

00:18:01.660 The birth control medication that caused that pseudotumor cerebri.

00:18:06.280 So I'm just very, I don't want to be like ridiculous in my analogies, but I'm very in

00:18:12.220 the dark on this.

00:18:13.740 And it's just always that lingering thing of like, this was found in these clinical trials.

00:18:19.280 This is written about in a textbook.

00:18:20.680 I've had another doctor say, your body went to trash after you took those birth control 1.00

00:18:24.120 pills.

00:18:24.500 Like, how can I not sit here and say, that's what happened to me?

00:18:27.760 Yeah.

00:18:28.560 And I want to zone in on something that you said that doesn't directly have to do with

00:18:32.340 birth control, but it has to do with just the reproductive world in general.

00:18:36.820 You called yourself an IVF survivor.

00:18:39.660 Yes.

00:18:39.960 Can you expound upon that?

00:18:41.100 Yeah.

00:18:42.100 Um, so I was conceived in a Petri dish in 1994 in a IVF clinic in central Florida.

00:18:51.260 And I have siblings who died in that process.

00:18:56.640 I have siblings who were intentionally killed in that process.

00:19:00.360 And I refer to myself as a survivor because 80% of the embryos that are created in an IVF

00:19:07.740 laboratory do not get to leave the IVF laboratory.

00:19:10.640 They either, um, die in the freezing process.

00:19:13.660 They are left there indefinitely.

00:19:16.080 They're intentionally killed by being sprayed with toxic solution when they're no longer wanted.

00:19:21.060 They're weeded out for eugenics purposes. 0.98

00:19:22.940 So I feel very chosen to have been allowed to live at all.

00:19:31.860 And, um, it's a very, IVF is a very brutal, brutal, horrible process.

00:19:36.060 I don't even know how many siblings I have that were killed in an IVF laboratory and I

00:19:40.400 will never know.

00:19:40.920 How many living siblings do you have?

00:19:42.920 I have two other siblings who survived to birth from the IVF process.

00:19:46.540 I'm very grateful for them.

00:19:48.220 Um, they're two years younger than me, a brother and a sister, but those are not the only siblings

00:19:54.580 that I have and the others are just gone.

00:19:57.120 And I feel like I have to address my relationship with IVF as a survivor because I cannot pretend

00:20:04.320 like those siblings were not real.

00:20:05.700 When did you start looking into the IVF process?

00:20:10.380 Because as you know, your and my position on IVF is, um, in general, like a unique one.

00:20:17.740 Even a lot of Christians that listen to this podcast, they do not like when I talk negatively

00:20:23.120 about IVF.

00:20:24.080 So at some point you must have really researched the process and the risks.

00:20:29.180 Tell us about that.

00:20:30.340 Yes.

00:20:30.580 So I am, I am so grateful for my parents' honesty about IVF and as I got older about

00:20:37.540 their IVF experience, because it really gave me permission as a young child, we're talking

00:20:43.380 like 12 years old to get online and start researching, um, healthy sexual reproduction.

00:20:51.660 Um, what's happening in our body?

00:20:53.160 Like I found that interesting, like eggs, sperm fusion.

00:20:56.400 Like I found it fascinating.

00:20:58.720 And so at a very young age, I was researching it on a level that most children don't or are

00:21:04.280 even aware of.

00:21:05.360 And so of course, as I start looking into what is the IVF process, like how do you, um, how

00:21:13.380 do you make a baby in a Petri dish?

00:21:15.000 Like that was fascinating to me.

00:21:17.320 I saw very quickly the abuse and the brutality of what is happening in that industry.

00:21:21.800 I think it's very, um, branded as we just want to help infertile couples have babies.

00:21:27.760 I think that's a beautiful thing to want to help an infertile couple have a baby.

00:21:31.300 I think that infertility is one of the most tragic, horrible things that happens in our 1.00

00:21:35.320 world.

00:21:35.580 It's awful.

00:21:37.260 And that's why that PR is so beautiful.

00:21:40.520 It sounds so nice.

00:21:42.120 But as soon as you pull back the veil on the science of like, okay, well, what's actually

00:21:45.900 happening?

00:21:46.340 Cause you can't just like roll some dice and shake your magic eight ball around.

00:21:51.460 And then you have a baby in a Petri dish.

00:21:53.060 You have to go collect sperm. 1.00

00:21:54.820 You have to go collect an egg.

00:21:56.060 Those are, um, complicated, challenging, um, concerning processes in themselves.

00:22:00.800 And then you have a baby in a dish that needs its mother, that needs to be attached to the 0.98

00:22:06.920 uterus for survival. 0.56

00:22:08.660 But for most babies, like I said, they don't do that with them.

00:22:11.820 They try to decide, oh, is this baby good enough?

00:22:14.360 Is this the one that we want to use?

00:22:16.640 Because it's not about one baby at a time and making sure that they're safe, protected

00:22:20.220 and cared for.

00:22:20.940 It's about how many babies can we do as quickly as possible to save as much money as possible

00:22:26.740 to inflate, to honestly, like disingenuously inflate the success race of success rate of

00:22:34.980 IVF that we project in our PR.

00:22:37.360 So couples will feel very comfortable with what we're doing, even though what we're doing

00:22:41.940 is killing or permanently freezing 80% of these babies.

00:22:46.260 How can we pretend that they're not babies, even though it is a human life unique with

00:22:51.420 its own DNA that is growing?

00:22:53.700 How, what else can we call it?

00:22:54.880 What can we do differently?

00:22:56.160 And I just was always raised with this very kind of black and white perception of morality.

00:23:03.480 And sometimes that can be hard because it can make empathy difficult for you in some

00:23:08.820 situations.

00:23:09.260 But sometimes it can be so freeing because you can just look at something and say, I

00:23:12.720 don't care what size that baby is.

00:23:13.900 You don't get to kill it just because it's in a dish. 0.88

00:23:16.860 And you're right.

00:23:18.460 That makes me a very controversial person sometimes because I think a lot of people expect me to

00:23:24.000 just hug IVF with open arms and say, oh, it's wonderful.

00:23:27.340 It's amazing.

00:23:27.900 No, I'm going to call out the abuse when I see it, especially because it happened to my

00:23:33.040 own family members and especially because it's continuing to happen.

00:23:37.380 And every time that Christians or pro-lifers try to justify the brutality in in vitro fertilization, 0.51

00:23:45.200 they are minimizing the humanity of human beings.

00:23:51.460 And I take that very offensively, just on a personal level, because I was in a death.

00:23:57.900 And I deserve just as much respect then as I do now.

00:24:04.280 And when they deny the humanity of those babies in a dish, it hurts me.

00:24:09.400 It makes me feel very angry because then they're denying my humanity as well.

00:24:12.240 And I get very upset very quickly.

00:24:14.420 How do your parents feel about this now?

00:24:16.520 It is really hard for my parents.

00:24:18.720 It is not easy for me to talk about this publicly on my parents.

00:24:23.320 I have a lot of sympathy for women who went through IVF in the 90s.

00:24:27.900 Because they didn't have an iPhone in their pocket to fact check the things that their

00:24:31.120 doctors told them.

00:24:32.240 They didn't have really anywhere else to go for their information.

00:24:36.320 So when your doctor tells you, oh, I know you have more babies in the freezer, but I

00:24:42.200 don't know that you should really be having any more babies yourself.

00:24:45.540 And it's like it's not really like a baby anyway.

00:24:48.980 Like it's just it's just a potential for a baby.

00:24:51.980 Yeah, exactly.

00:24:53.280 Like what were my parents supposed to do?

00:24:55.160 What were they supposed to think?

00:24:56.200 Who are they supposed to believe?

00:24:57.640 I have an amazing privilege growing up after 1995, being able to even look up IVF and see

00:25:05.380 what it was.

00:25:05.940 And my parents didn't have that.

00:25:07.660 So there is a lot of regret from my parents for the embryos that they just they agreed

00:25:11.920 to be destroyed.

00:25:12.860 But I think my mom sums it up the best when she said she didn't know she was killing her 0.96

00:25:16.520 babies.

00:25:16.860 And that's just doctors are supposed to be there to support you, tell you the truth,

00:25:22.520 help you make a decision.

00:25:23.640 They're not supposed to be there to lie to you about your babies. 0.96

00:25:26.240 And that's what happened to my parents.

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00:26:41.480 Tell me about how your faith has developed through both of these things that we've talked about

00:26:51.720 so far, and we still have more to your story that we're going to get into, but discovering

00:26:56.940 what happened to your siblings, but then also going through the tragedy of birth control,

00:27:02.920 losing your sight.

00:27:04.500 I know that you were raised a Christian, but this is a lot for a young person to wrestle with.

00:27:10.120 It really is.

00:27:13.420 After the blindness, I really started to believe in this subtle, very dangerous lie that, okay,

00:27:25.200 God loves me and God, you know, he wants me to serve him, but God doesn't find me special

00:27:33.200 is what I started to believe about him.

00:27:35.660 Because I was praying to be healed.

00:27:39.680 So many people prayed for me to be healed.

00:27:41.380 The doctors told me I was going to get my, told me I was going to get my vision back and

00:27:44.700 they were wrong.

00:27:45.960 And it just seemed like turn after turn, things were going not the way they were supposed to.

00:27:52.060 And I kept crying out to God, like, why would you let me go blind at 19 years old?

00:27:56.100 I just got married.

00:27:57.100 I've only been married three months.

00:27:58.460 This is not okay.

00:27:59.400 And so I just started to believe in almost this kind of deism about God where it's like,

00:28:05.300 yeah, he's, I know he's there.

00:28:07.460 I know he's like, think, has an order to this world that he has planned, but, you know,

00:28:14.400 I'm not special to him.

00:28:15.280 He doesn't pay much notice to me.

00:28:16.460 And I really stayed in that place for years until, um, I got pregnant with my son.

00:28:25.200 He's my second baby.

00:28:26.780 And we really got put on a path to, for me to stand up on all of the pro-life issues,

00:28:36.240 all the pro-life ethics that the IVF and birth control situation had really opened my eyes

00:28:41.620 to, and then I realized, wow, everything that God has put in my life, even the fact that

00:28:48.900 I was manufactured in a laboratory, even the fact that I was what felt cruelly blinded at

00:28:57.240 19 years old, he has been paving my path so I could be ready to give the fight of my life

00:29:04.520 to save my son.

00:29:05.240 So tell me, um, about that.

00:29:11.120 You said that this is your second child and you had to fight to save him.

00:29:15.960 What do you mean by that?

00:29:17.240 When I was 12 weeks pregnant with my son, he had an abnormal ultrasound and I'm not talking

00:29:23.600 like, oh, there was like a little glitch in the ultrasound machine or something that they

00:29:29.420 thought might go away.

00:29:30.300 Um, the ultrasound image was so bad that the ultrasound tech had to leave the room,

00:29:38.020 show it to the maternal fetal medicine specialist, which is a extremely high risk OBGYN who was

00:29:46.460 on call at the hospital that day, go back in to take more pictures and then send him into my room

00:29:53.180 for an impromptu meeting to talk about abortion.

00:29:56.240 There was a mass in my son's abdomen that was a third of his body.

00:30:01.500 Wow.

00:30:02.120 They had no idea what it was.

00:30:03.880 They told me it could be bowel entanglement, best case scenario, more likely down syndrome,

00:30:10.480 more likely something that we would never identify because I'd miscarry him so quickly.

00:30:15.580 We were terrified, me and my husband, we didn't know what to do.

00:30:19.440 And they just immediately brought up abortion. 1.00

00:30:24.040 As soon as I said, well, what's the plan?

00:30:25.660 What are we going to do for my son?

00:30:26.980 They said, well, that depends on whether you're going to continue with the pregnancy or terminate. 0.91

00:30:32.060 I was just shocked because I thought that when you're pregnant and you go to the doctor

00:30:37.580 to help you keep your baby healthy, they would understand that the last thing I would want

00:30:43.240 to do is kill my baby.

00:30:44.040 But they seemed to think that would be the first thing I wanted to do. 0.99

00:30:49.140 They were telling me about likely disability, permanent for the rest of his life.

00:30:53.540 They were telling me about significant cognitive delays and just really pushing me on trying

00:31:01.320 to make an abortion decision quickly before I approached the state's legal cutoff in a way

00:31:08.320 that they were just implying that my son is going to be so messed up.

00:31:12.460 My son was going to be so disabled.

00:31:14.700 There's no way that I could ever want him.

00:31:18.140 And that's hard enough to hear as a mama who loves her baby, who wanted her baby, whose

00:31:24.420 baby was completely planned.

00:31:28.060 But it hurts so much more being a disabled woman.

00:31:31.780 And the lack of awareness on my doctor say essentially to me, there's no way you could love

00:31:38.140 this disabled, messed up thing. 1.00

00:31:40.300 So I just couldn't even believe that he could say those words to me, knowing that I'm sitting

00:31:45.700 across from him with permanent blindness.

00:31:49.120 And I realized that everything God had taught me opened my eyes to through IVF and birth control,

00:31:56.780 even allowing me to stay blind when all the doctors said that I wouldn't.

00:32:01.000 He moved all of that textbook knowledge, all of that head knowledge to a heart knowledge,

00:32:08.220 and I was ready to fight.

00:32:10.220 I couldn't be lied to by my doctor.

00:32:13.820 I knew that my life wasn't at risk.

00:32:16.940 I knew that my son had value.

00:32:20.040 Even if he was going to be stillborn, like they told me was very possible, even if he

00:32:26.160 was going to be cognitively delayed, even if he was going to have bags and tubes and

00:32:29.740 wires and scanners and all these things that a normal, able-bodied mom doesn't feel like 1.00

00:32:35.680 she could handle, now I had to handle with blindness.

00:32:39.700 It didn't matter.

00:32:40.400 He was my baby.

00:32:41.100 And I was going to take care of him.

00:32:43.580 And it was a long, long time until they had a diagnosis for me.

00:32:52.720 And the shocking part is that as soon as I hit that state legal cutoff, they simply knew

00:32:59.500 what it was.

00:33:00.300 It was 20 weeks at the time.

00:33:02.320 This was before the Dobbs decision.

00:33:04.660 It was actually, Dobbs was actually being brought to the courts at the same time I was going

00:33:11.540 through this.

00:33:11.980 So I had no relief from the subject.

00:33:13.920 It was in the news.

00:33:14.740 Everybody was talking about it.

00:33:16.020 I was being harassed about having an abortion that I didn't want.

00:33:19.460 My doctor even called me at home to talk to me about abortion.

00:33:22.460 He just wouldn't let it go.

00:33:24.100 But then as soon as the hospital couldn't make money off selling me an abortion anymore,

00:33:29.360 they dropped it.

00:33:30.620 They completely dropped the discussion.

00:33:33.400 And they had a diagnosis for me that was non-serious liver calcifications.

00:33:38.040 And they went away on their own.

00:33:39.400 And my son is completely, perfectly healthy and fine.

00:33:42.440 So when it was no longer legal for you to have an abortion anymore, they told you that

00:33:47.860 the diagnosis was actually fine and something that could resolve itself.

00:33:51.900 Yes.

00:33:52.660 Wow.

00:33:53.000 And it did.

00:33:54.440 By his first birthday, his liver calcifications were completely gone.

00:33:58.960 They didn't have to do surgery.

00:34:00.240 He didn't even have to take a pill.

00:34:01.980 They went away on their own.

00:34:03.260 And they completely dissolved, which in that first appointment, we asked the doctor,

00:34:08.260 is there any way your ultrasound machine is wrong?

00:34:10.160 He said, absolutely not.

00:34:11.620 I said, is there any way this abnormality can go away on its own?

00:34:15.400 He said, absolutely not.

00:34:17.040 And that's exactly what happened.

00:34:18.740 And I was able to push back on him to shut out all that just evil, honestly evil, for

00:34:26.760 a doctor to come in a room and tell a disabled woman that she doesn't want her disabled baby 1.00

00:34:30.060 and she needs to kill him. 0.97

00:34:31.040 It was because of everything God had put me through, through knowing I grew up IVF, through being blind 0.99

00:34:38.340 from birth control pills.

00:34:39.420 All of this preparation he had given me, I realized in that one moment, that was all to save my son.

00:34:44.940 And now I just look back on that time.

00:34:47.500 It was such a dark place.

00:34:48.800 I was so scared.

00:34:49.680 I didn't know what was going to happen to my baby.

00:34:52.500 I didn't know if I could take care of him.

00:34:54.280 I didn't know what to do.

00:34:55.740 And now I realize that that pain was so much worse, so much worse than my blindness.

00:35:03.180 Even though my blindness is forever, if I had to go blind to know how to save my son's life,

00:35:10.120 I can't think of a better reason.

00:35:12.780 Wow.

00:35:13.280 And think about how many moms would listen to their doctor because they felt like, well,

00:35:19.600 this is the responsible thing to do.

00:35:21.820 I don't want my child in the womb. 1.00

00:35:23.420 They might justify it like this.

00:35:24.580 I don't want my child in the womb to suffer.

00:35:26.600 The doctor knows best.

00:35:28.080 If I do it in the first trimester, it doesn't matter.

00:35:31.120 They go through all of these justifications.

00:35:33.020 And it kind of makes me wonder because a lot of the stories that we hear post-dobs are,

00:35:37.540 you know, I had to abort my child because of this diagnosis.

00:35:42.360 I wonder how many of those women, and maybe we all would in this position, 1.00

00:35:46.660 are almost convincing themselves and even like exaggerating what the doctor told them

00:35:53.540 and believing the worst case scenario of what the doctor said was possible

00:35:59.560 in order to make themselves feel better about the decision that they made.

00:36:04.480 When in reality, in many instances, it was maybe like yours where it was a possibility

00:36:09.440 that it was serious, but it ended up being something that could have been resolved.

00:36:13.600 And I'm just sad thinking about how many toddlers and teenagers and adults we could have in this

00:36:19.920 country had more women pushed back against their doctors and said, no, I'm going to save. 1.00

00:36:25.780 I'm going to fight for my baby.

00:36:27.080 Yeah. And even a lot of these women don't understand the science behind pregnancy. 1.00

00:36:35.780 They don't understand the science behind fetal development.

00:36:38.540 And so that's why I feel like God gave me such a gift,

00:36:41.500 such a gift by having the weirdest hobby in school at 12 years old that I would go up,

00:36:46.700 I would get off the bus and I would go upstairs.

00:36:48.820 And instead of like playing video games or something with my brother and sister,

00:36:51.860 I would get on pro-life websites and read all about the baby and everything that was going

00:36:56.800 on. That's such a gift from God. Because even I felt the pressure from the doctor when they were

00:37:02.920 talking about my son. Even I was wondering, can I do this? Even I was asking this silly question,

00:37:07.540 like, is this going to put my health in danger if he's handicapped? And I really had to just sit in 1.00

00:37:13.800 my room by myself and calm down and say, what do I know? What have I learned? And as soon as I

00:37:18.600 started doing that, I realized that everything they told me, everything they were telling me was a

00:37:21.980 lie. Everything was manipulation. Everything was pressure. And I realized that because I was on

00:37:29.660 Medicaid at the time with that pregnancy, they probably would make more money if I chose abortion 0.99

00:37:34.640 than if I went through a very difficult, labor intensive, expensive birth for the hospital. And it just

00:37:42.660 really like showed me exactly what was going on. And it gave me the strength to make my decision.

00:37:51.980 And I found some support from my local pregnancy resource center of how I needed to navigate those

00:37:57.900 complaints with the doctor. Because I had already told the hospital, hey, I told him no abortion and

00:38:02.080 he won't stop talking to me about it. Didn't matter. He came in and did it again. And I just didn't know

00:38:07.780 how to break through with them. So getting the support from the local PRC of like, okay, Chelsea,

00:38:12.160 you need to say it like this. Because these are all, this is a pro-abortion space that you're going

00:38:17.540 into. And you can't just come in and say, I'm pro-life and cry and then take you seriously.

00:38:22.500 You need to know how to navigate. Like, don't say, I'm filing complaints. Say, I'm asking for a second

00:38:27.280 opinion. Like little tricks like that to get the medical staff to take you more seriously. So you're not

00:38:32.400 just labeled the hysterical woman in exam room 12. Yeah. Wow. It was so helpful. And it's exactly 0.96

00:38:38.380 what I needed. I knew what I had to do, but I needed my community and other pro-life resources

00:38:44.340 to just give me the strength to do it. And now you have how many children? I have two who run around.

00:38:52.160 I am also 29 weeks pregnant. Oh, congratulations. So we, I've got a busy, I've got a busy, messy,

00:39:00.720 very crazy house right now. But it's just, I just sometimes like really on my son's first birthday,

00:39:08.780 we were saying him happy birthday and I just sobbed. Yeah. I just couldn't stop crying because

00:39:13.440 I was told that that was not going to happen. Yeah. And it just, it breaks my heart knowing that

00:39:21.000 one day I'm going to have to tell him what happened and that the doctor who was supposed to fight to save

00:39:25.860 him thought it would be totally fine if he died. Yeah. And I just, I know that that will probably

00:39:34.100 push my son in a good direction for how he views the world, for how he has compassion on other people,

00:39:43.080 on especially people with disabilities. But it's just, no mom should ever have to hear that about

00:39:48.680 their baby. No, absolutely not. And I just am thankful for your courage. And I know that your son,

00:39:55.600 even if he doesn't understand, is also thankful and will be thankful for that fight.

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00:41:06.260 Can you tell us a little bit more about what it's like being a blind mom? Like, I love the just the 0.99

00:41:17.620 sweetness and the sincerity and the fight and your story and going through all of these challenges,

00:41:22.100 but you also have an awesome sense of humor. And you kind of make light, you might have like make

00:41:27.180 light of a lot of the challenges that you have, which I mean, you kind of have to because we're still

00:41:32.820 called to like live a joyful life. So talk to us just about kind of like some of the practical

00:41:37.280 parts of being a blind mom. Yeah. Well, um, humor has always been my coping mechanism.

00:41:42.180 Yeah. That's definitely how we've gotten through a lot. Um, I remember like when I first went blind,

00:41:47.440 um, and it'd been a little bit of enough time for me to start making jokes. I told my dad, I was like,

00:41:52.180 Hey dad, you know how you spent all that money on IVF and like, you're supposed to get a healthy baby

00:41:56.220 from that. Maybe you could get a refund now. So yeah, my dad did not think it was funny.

00:42:01.580 Yeah. He probably didn't. I thought it was hilarious. And, um, that is definitely how I

00:42:07.360 get through a lot of these days because I deal with all of the same challenges that every mom

00:42:12.800 deals with. I just have to do it with a blindfold on. So for example, um, my most popular reel on

00:42:19.740 Instagram is me slipping in a puddle of pee from my son. Oh yes. I think that's the first one that I

00:42:26.260 saw from you too. Okay. Tell us that story. Tell us what happened about you slipping in pee.

00:42:30.760 So of course, when you're setting up camera for Instagram, like I'm a real mom with a real life.

00:42:35.760 Like I'm not running around filming myself all of the time. So me and my husband were thinking like,

00:42:40.980 what is like genuine to like what happens in my actual life? And during, um, while I was pregnant

00:42:46.580 with my son, that is when my daughter at like 20 months old decided she was going to potty train and

00:42:52.640 she would, her way of potty training was just stripping off all of her clothes and pooping 1.00

00:42:57.340 wherever she wanted in the house. Oh no. And because it's not good. My husband worked all the

00:43:01.280 time. Like I wouldn't know she'd pooped until I stepped in it. And then I'd have to be on my hands 0.81

00:43:05.960 and knees at 36 weeks pregnant, cleaning up poop, hoping I got it all. So I have to FaceTime my mom 0.97

00:43:12.880 and say like, do you see any more poop in this living room? And she's like, well, hold the camera 0.95

00:43:16.780 steady. I'm like, I'm on my hands and knees at 36 weeks pregnant. Like, I don't know what you want

00:43:20.560 for me right now. I'm just trying to clean up all of this poop before my company comes over.

00:43:26.400 And so we're like, how can we turn that into a reel? And, um, so we staged the reel and set it

00:43:33.240 up like just what would normally happen. My son rips off his diaper. He pees on the floor. He runs

00:43:37.280 away. I find it an hour later. But the trouble with the video is we went to pretend to fall down

00:43:43.060 in the pee. I actually fell down in the pee. I stepped on the diaper. I slipped. I I've hit the

00:43:49.940 ground so hard. I literally just called my husband. I'm like, I hope you got that take

00:43:54.260 because I don't want to do it again. Yeah. That was a real fall. Oh my goodness. But luckily my,

00:43:59.880 my booty absorbed the whole thing. The whole fall. How do you like, how do you cook and all of that?

00:44:07.400 Yeah. So believe it or not, some things as a blind person are a lot easier than you think they are.

00:44:13.320 Some things are like way harder. Cooking is one of the easiest things I do. Doing dishes,

00:44:17.440 unfortunately, is one of the easiest things that I do. So I can't get out of it. Yeah.

00:44:21.160 Um, transportation is the hardest thing that I have to figure out because I can't drive.

00:44:26.560 I have two kids with car seats. I'm about to have a third kid in a car seat. I have to phone a friend

00:44:32.860 because there's only so much you can take on the bus. There's only so much you feel safe taking on

00:44:38.880 the bus as a blind mom with now about to be three kids you're taking care of. So when my kid is homesick 0.99

00:44:46.040 and they need to go to the doctor, that's really hard for me to figure out because I have to call

00:44:51.720 someone to babysit the healthy kid. Then I have to call someone else who can fit me and the sick kid

00:45:00.500 and the car seat in their car to take us all the way across town to go to the doctor. Like it's a lot.

00:45:06.780 There's so much that surprises you about being a disabled parent. You're like, this is really hard.

00:45:13.380 But there's also a lot of community if you reach out and just ask for help. Like my church has

00:45:20.120 stepped up so much to be there for me. I have a friend who takes me and my son to mom's group

00:45:27.400 in the mornings while my daughter is at school. Just these amazing blessings that show up also with

00:45:34.200 the disability. Because I think that so many times people look at an issue like with their pregnant

00:45:39.440 in a crisis or if they're disabled or if they're having financial burdens, they're just like, oh,

00:45:43.820 I have to do this by myself. And I can never, I could never get that done. But like what God says

00:45:49.040 in 2 Corinthians 12 verse 9, he says, my power is made perfect in weakness. Like the point of our

00:45:54.200 lives is not to be Superman. The point of our lives is to be weak and to be fulfilled by him

00:46:00.740 and the blessings and the mercies that he gives us. So there are so many times where I'm like,

00:46:06.460 oh, I could never, I'm never going to be able to handle this. Like what am I doing? Like,

00:46:10.080 like who am I right now? Like I'm a full-time stay-at-home mom and yet somehow I've become

00:46:14.460 a pro-life speaker and influencer. I'm like flying across the country telling my stories.

00:46:19.120 I'm just, that should not be possible with a four-year-old, a two-year-old and a 29-week-old

00:46:23.960 in my belly slowing me down and making me nauseous. But God has just shown up in so many ways.

00:46:29.380 And that's why I really try to communicate to people on my platform. I'll get like devastating

00:46:34.260 messages from people saying, well, I'm disabled. And if I ever got pregnant, I would have to have 0.98

00:46:39.180 an abortion because I could just never do it. And that's so not true. That's not true. And it's

00:46:44.300 heartbreaking because not only is that very possible, like there's no reason a disabled woman can't get 1.00

00:46:49.800 pregnant. We have lives too. We have husbands. We have, we have dreams for ourselves. What's devastating

00:46:56.800 beyond the fact that she would consent to an abortion is that she doesn't believe in herself.

00:47:02.300 She thinks that she is that inferior that she cannot endure. She cannot thrive in throughout

00:47:11.940 these weaknesses. And like I said, accept the blessings of God and really make it through.

00:47:17.780 And so, so I really try to push out to people like life is hard no matter who you are. You don't have

00:47:22.160 to be blind for your life to be hard, but you can be sustained. You can keep going. Our lives are not

00:47:28.640 about ourselves anyway. They're not about, about how happy we were on Tuesday, about how easy it was

00:47:34.480 to get the dishes done. Our lives are for other people. Our lives are for God. And we just have to

00:47:39.260 not quit. We have to keep going because there are amazing blessings that show up unexpectedly. Like

00:47:45.200 my son, I love my daughter and I love my little girl who's coming, but my son's life is,

00:47:51.960 there's just something about it because of what happened. And this blessing that we have now,

00:47:56.000 because we, me and my husband, we chose like, no, we don't kill babies. That's just the mantra.

00:48:02.700 We don't kill babies. And we trusted God. I said, I don't know how I'm going to,

00:48:07.600 I don't know how I'm going to take care of tubes, wires, bags on, on this little boy,

00:48:11.580 but I'm going to do it because God gave me this baby. I'm going to fight for him.

00:48:14.620 Yeah. Wow. I love seeing God's just hand of redemption and your story and what Satan meant

00:48:21.520 for evil and could have used for evil. As you described all of those moments of being ignored,

00:48:28.900 of being persuaded in a way that, I mean, it really silenced you and really hurt you physically and

00:48:37.080 emotionally, um, how God used that for not only your good in his glory, but also to save the life

00:48:43.980 of your child and how he's continuing to use that, as you said, to give glory to himself. And

00:48:49.240 that's one theme we see throughout scripture that God will stop at nothing to give himself glory,

00:48:55.280 even if that means things happening to us or in our lives that we do not understand.

00:49:01.320 And you are just a really beautiful example of that. So thank you. Thank you for your courage.

00:49:06.840 And thank you so much for taking the time to come here and share your story. It's going to help a lot of people.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - February 03, 2025

Ep 1133 ｜ Birth Control Made Her Blind; IVF Made Her Pro-Life ｜ Guest： Chelsey Painter Davis

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