Ep 1135 ｜ My Reaction to Lily Collins’ Surrogacy Announcement & Trump’s Tariffs Explained ｜ Guest： Ron Simmons
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Is there any validity to left-wing criticisms? Or is Trump really as victorious as he seems to be? We ve got all of this and much more on today s episode of Relatable. Subscribe to Relatable on Apple Podcasts!
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Lily Collins is the latest celebrity to welcome a child via surrogate.
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We are taking another look at the ethics of not just surrogacy, but all of reproductive
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technology in the United States and how cultural opinion seems to be changing for the better
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First, I'm going to talk to my dad about this tariff war that is going on.
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Is there any validity to left-wing criticisms, or is Trump really as victorious as he seems
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We've got all of this and much more on today's episode of Relatable.
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Hope everyone is having a wonderful week so far.
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We will be with my dad in just a minute talking about tariffs.
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I wanted to follow up on the topic yesterday that we discussed about USAID, and we just
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didn't have time to get into this aspect of it, which is perhaps one of the most nefarious
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So I just want to touch on that and highlight just the corrupt function of federal bureaucracy
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in general, but specifically that institution in a second.
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I also forgot at the top of yesterday's show to remind you that tickets for Share the Arrows
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Christian women from across the country and actually around the world come to this event
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just the stories of friendship and kindness and hospitality and compassion and conviction
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that came out of last year's Share the Arrows have just buoyed us and have edified us so much,
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So it's October 11th outside of Dallas, Texas, 2025.
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Early bird tickets go on sale on February 28th.
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The early bird pricing sold out in less than 24 hours last year, and we didn't even have
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We've got a different seating arrangement this time.
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All right, the comments I want to make about USAID, if you haven't listened to yesterday's
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episode on where our tax dollars are actually going and the causes that we are championing
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across the world, I mean, some of the most evil ideologies and the most evil ideas and
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the most evil actions have been taken on the taxpayer dime through USAID.
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And that's why it's good that Trump is dismantling and then reorganizing it to actually advance
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the interests of the American people and of virtue and the values that we agree with.
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But also what we need to understand about it is that it has essentially been revealed
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to be a Democrat money laundering scheme in that the taxpayer dollars that are going to
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They might say, USAID might say, we are sending those dollars to, for example, Haiti.
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But in reality, only 2% of the millions and millions of dollars that is allocated to go
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toward humanitarian efforts in Haiti are actually going to Haiti.
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The rest of the money is typically going to these D.C. law firms or other kinds of organizations
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that claim to be representing the interests and the well-being of the Haitian people.
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But that money and that aid never actually makes its way to those countries.
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The D.C. organizations and the nonprofits getting the money from USAID, our taxpayer dollars,
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are then donating that money back to Democrat politicians and funding their campaigns.
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And so that is the reason you see Democrats freaking out about this.
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That is why you have people literally saying they are going to storm the White House over
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I mean, people who literally had no idea what USAID did or that it even existed two days ago
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now say that they are going to stage a coup over this.
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That's because Democrats have whipped them into a frenzy because this is the apparatus that
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they use to fund themselves and to stay in power.
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And as we will talk about in my dad, the hypocrisy of Democrats right now complaining about the
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billionaire run shadow government, Doge, being led by Elon Musk when they have been run by
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George Soros for years for the most nefarious and destructive purpose.
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It's not surprising at this point, but it's wild.
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And another area where they are very, very wrong is tariffs.
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They are, for some reason, laughing at Trump, condemning Trump because of the trade intimidation
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that he has employed over the past couple of weeks.
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But the fact of the matter is it's worked and it's worked in American interests because
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these countries have now bowed down and they've said, sure, we will secure the border.
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Please don't put your tariffs on us, even after posturing for a couple of days, saying that
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So my dad is here to explain what tariffs are, why they're used, how long have they been used,
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what presidents have used them, are they effective, and what is really happening between Trump
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I've gotten so many messages saying, can you please explain tariffs?
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Because just like with everything else, there is a lot of myths and disinformation coming
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from the media saying, even after it seems like Trump has triumphed and gotten his way
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through this kind of tariff war, saying, oh, no, this is really bad.
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Yeah, well, tariff's just another name for tax, okay?
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But it's a tax on goods that are brought into your country from another country.
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For example, from Canada, when they sell us goods, we buy stuff from Canada, then that,
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and we impose a tariff on that or a tax on that.
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And when we send goods to Canada, some of those goods, they impose a tax on us.
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And the reason for that is really two or threefold.
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One reason is that it helps protect their local businesses, right?
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I don't know if you've spent much time in Canada, but I remember when Daniel and I went up for
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a fishing trip in northern Canada, probably 15 years ago, and we were flying, you know,
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And it was just amazing how massive the forest were up there.
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In fact, we got up there and you could see on the other side of this lake, there were smoke
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And it was fire, force fire that was probably started by lightning or something, but they
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I mean, they don't, you know, it's not, it's not affecting the local community or something.
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So they want to protect that industry and they don't want other countries flooding their
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Especially if you're talking about countries that like China or dictator type country where
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they can really control the labor market prices, then they can make stuff a lot cheaper.
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And if Canada just allowed them to dump it in there cheaper, it's really going to hurt
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Because when you put a tax on an import, that is going to, those that are importing it will
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have to raise the price of their product in order to make up for that tax.
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And so that is how you are saying they protect the local products because the local products,
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since they don't have that tariff, they don't have that tax, they don't have to raise
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prices so they can be more competitively priced or a little bit cheaper than the imports.
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So people who are actually buying the product will prefer the cheaper local product.
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Another reason is that it simply leveraged for something else.
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And that's the case with Mexico and Canada primarily.
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Now we have a trade deficit with both of those countries, I believe.
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I know we have one in Canada, meaning that they sell us more than they buy from us.
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And so one of the things that we've always fought for is not only free trade so that there's
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not very many tariffs at all, but fair trade, meaning you really can't expect us to pay
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tariffs, you know, and yet you don't want us to do that to you.
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Canada has tariffs on us and have for a long time on different goods, right?
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And Trump has always said that's been Trump's thing for a long time, especially when it
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Like, why do all of these other countries get to put tariffs on the products, but we
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And as soon as we say we're going to do tariffs, people say, oh my gosh, that's so awful and
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And the reason that they say that is because they buy so many goods from, we buy so many
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The other thing, so leverage, and so in Canada and Mexico, Trump, it really wasn't as much
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He knew that tariffs that we would put on their products would hurt their economy.
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And he doesn't want to do that because that eventually makes you and I pay more for whatever
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But he needed them to understand about what we wanted to do with the borders.
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And in Canada, it was primarily fentanyl, all right?
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In Mexico, it was primarily the human smuggling and whatever, but also fentanyl as well.
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And both of those countries within hours agreed to do what he wanted to do.
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So I don't know how you couldn't say Trump's policy didn't win out on that.
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I mean, Mexico is going to put 10,000 people at their southern border to keep people from
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The other thing that you would use it for, and up until 1913 in the United States, tariffs
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represented, I think I read 60% of all the tax revenue until we put in the income tax.
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In fact, do you know when the first tariff started in the United States?
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The very first major bill that passed the first Congress was a tariff on imported goods
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I don't think you've already said like what it means, 50 cents a ton.
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The tax has to be paid by, let's say it was England that was sending it over.
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They didn't look at a specific good so much so that when a ship came over and let's say
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they had a ton of goods on there, then they had to pay an extra 50 cents.
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That, uh, that, that government had to pay us before they got, before they could bring
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And so therefore, in order to recoup that, they had to raise the price of whatever that
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Which would mean that Americans would be less likely to buy their products.
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Because, uh, America's U.S. shipping vessels only had to pay six cents a ton.
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So that's, it started and it's happened in every country, you know, ever since then.
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You said that Canada does that, that China does that.
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And it's funny because they might not call it Canada first policy or China first policy,
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They are protecting the interests of their country at the expense of other countries.
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And that has always been, not just when it comes to tariffs, but when it comes to all
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America first, even at the expense of other countries, we're going to put the well-being
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And yet I hear over and over again that America first is wrong.
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But in a variety of ways, every country does that, even progressive countries like Canada.
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That's why it's not one world, no matter what our Dabos people may want us to believe and
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what have you, the other thing I think that they do, and this is especially true for the
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European Union, his comments about tariffs in the European Union are twofold.
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We buy about $580 billion worth of stuff from them, and they buy only about $370 billion from
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And a lot of that is because of the tariffs they put on some of our goods that we can't
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But even more important, I think, in Trump's mind, and I obviously haven't spoken to him,
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but I think more important is the leverage to get them to increase their own defense funding.
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We've talked about that with NATO and other things before.
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They've known for the last probably 60 or 70 years at least, okay, World War II, that eventually
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We did that with England, which was the right thing to do.
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And so what they've done is they've taken what they should be spending on defense to
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protect their own selves and put it in these social policies, right?
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And they say, well, we can't put more on defense because that means we'll have to, some of
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And I believe that will, you know, will have an impact.
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The other thing that's a misnomer that nobody's talking about is what President Biden did.
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You know, Trump put some tariffs on when he was in his first term in various countries.
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In fact, at the time, during Trump's administration, we had an actual trade surplus with Canada because
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Yeah, that means that they bought more from us than we bought from them.
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And but going to China, he put in some tariffs.
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And of course, you know, the Democrats in their 2020 election decried those, how bad they were
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In fact, not even a year ago, he actually increased some of those tariffs, which were somewhere
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There's some goods coming from China right now that like electric cars.
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Because he he trying to bolster the electric car industry here.
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So the theory was the same, but 100 percent tariff he put on China electric cars.
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So all that did was not allow the U.S. population to buy cheaper electric cars.
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I mean, I don't blame him for doing it because his belief was he wanted the U.S.
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Now, I don't agree with that, but that was his belief.
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And one of the ways to make sure that happened was that nobody's flooding the market, which
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is exactly what Trump's doing as well, plus some other leverage things that are that are
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And so I just found that to be really, you know, one of the things about Canada and the
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reason it the reason this leverage stuff works, Ali, is because so when we when Canada sells
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goods to us, all right, when they sell goods to us, that $480 billion, all right?
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Now, if that goes down, that obviously has a negative effect on their economy because $480
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billion that we buy from them today represents 20%, 20% of their entire gross domestic product
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If that, if that thing, let's say that our, what we buy from them drops to 300 billion
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because of this, well, that hurts Canada for sure.
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However, what, what they buy from us, 420 billion only represents 2% of our economy.
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So we can last a lot longer than they can last.
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And that's why they agree to negotiate and come up with an agreement for that.
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Okay, let me just outline the specifics of what happened because it's crazy how many politicians
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and how many left-wing people in America seem to have just forgotten exactly what you said,
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the power that America has, and that we still have the ability to flex our muscles,
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and that almost every other country is going to just back away.
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Even if they posture for a little bit, like Mexico and Canada did, they're going to say,
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okay, so on February 1st, President Trump announced that he was imposing tariffs on imports
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He issued the tariff citing an extraordinary threat posed by illegal aliens and drugs,
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So that's the, he implemented the 25% additional tariffs on imports from Canada and Mexico,
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Energy resources from Canada will still have a lower 10% tariff.
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He basically said, look, you got to take control of your borders,
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all of this deadly stuff that you're importing over here,
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or else it's going to be really hard for us to trade together,
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He pointed out that trade accounts for 67% of Canada's GDP,
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He said this on X, he said, we need to protect Americans.
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It is my duty as president to ensure, or not on X, it's on Truth Social,
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I made a promise on my campaign to stop the flood of illegal aliens and drugs
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Americans have overwhelmingly voted in favor of it.
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Claudia Scheinbaum-Pardo, she is the president of Mexico.
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Mexico, she at first said, you know, she's going to retaliate.
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and you're not going to be able to intimidate me.
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You're not going to be able to push back against me.
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And then she said, after talking to President Trump two days later,
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she says, I had a great conversation with President Trump.
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Mexico will immediately reinforce the northern border
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The United States is committing to working with Mexico to prevent trafficking.
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Our teams will begin working today on two fronts, security and trade.
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So they're going to pause those tariffs for 30 days,
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and I guess Trump will reassess after the end of the month.
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And then Justin Trudeau, who also said, you know what?
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We're not going to back down, and we're going to boycott your products.
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And Canadians, do not buy your whiskey from Kentucky and all of that stuff.
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Justin Trudeau also said two days after these tariffs were announced on X,
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Canada is implementing our $1.3 billion border plan,
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reinforcing the border with new choppers, technology and personnel.
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I mean, this is the guy who came to Mar-a-Lago too.
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And after his conversation with President Trump,
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President Trump was like, oh, the governor of Canada,
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and joked about invading Canada and taking over Canada.
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President Trump announced deals with both North American countries
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to delay tariffs 30 days after the nations agreed to help with border security.
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China announced retaliatory tariffs on select American imports on Tuesday,
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They said that they will challenge the tariffs at the World Trade Organization.
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So this apparently sets off a 60-day period for the two sides to resolve their differences.
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What is your thought about what's going to happen with China,
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First of all, Trump's not going to pay one bit of attention to the WTO at the end of the day.
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But he may use the 60-day cooling-off period to try to get something done.
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I think this will be negotiated between he and Xi.
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And I think there will be tariffs left on both sides.
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He'll probably reduce some of the Biden tariffs, you know,
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which would be easy for him to do because he didn't do them to start with, right?
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This is more about negotiating global power and Xi spreading their money all around the world,
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like they were doing in Panama and other countries in Africa, for sure.
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And so that's probably what all of this is about.
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It may have something to do with Taiwan as well.
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Now, also remember, you know, you've heard of these websites, like you've heard this website,
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Well, I think I read the other day, if it's like under $800, okay, let's say you order something
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from that site and it's under $800, there's no tariff on that.
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There's a de minimis type thing is how they do that.
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Most of us, honestly, most of us aren't buying things that are the super expensive things
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Tariffs also worked, this was a couple weeks ago now, on Columbia because the Colombian president,
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who according to the Daily Wire is a former literal Marxist terrorist, not an exaggeration,
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like he was apparently a terrorist who did so in the name of communism and Marxism.
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So he blocked two repatriation flights in late January, filled with criminal illegal
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The U.S. said, hey, we don't want your people anymore.
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So President Trump said, okay, well, 25 percent tariffs on all Colombian goods.
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Leftists on X were like, oh, no, some of our flowers and our coffee comes from Colombia.
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Um, and the Colombian president, again, he puffed up and he said, we're not scared of
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The State Department said, well, we're going to continue to enforce and prioritize our America
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There will be travel sanctions on individuals and their families.
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Anyone who was responsible for the interference of these repatriation flights.
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Um, and then the Colombian president, uh, he said the same thing.
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Great conversation that I had with President Trump.
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And this is the statement from the White House after that conversation.
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Very quickly, by the way, this is like all in a matter of 24 hours.
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The government of Colombia has agreed to all of President Trump's terms, including the unrestricted
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acceptance of all illegal aliens from Colombia returned from the United States.
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Um, it goes on, uh, today's events make clear to the world that America is respected again,
00:29:00.440
And what's crazy about this, dad, is that for years we were told from Biden administration
00:29:06.040
that he is doing everything he possibly can to protect our border.
00:29:14.260
Republicans are stopping him and he's trying as hard as he can, but there's nothing that can
00:29:22.240
You can just flex your muscles and things actually get done.
00:29:26.680
And you know, the other thing that happened in that Colombia thing is the president sent
00:29:30.580
his plane to pick those people up so that he had to pay for it, which was even, even
00:29:37.100
So yeah, you know, and I'll tell you something else that's going to happen, kind of unrelated
00:29:40.940
to this, but it's the same type of thing where we should be following it.
00:29:44.520
You know, George Soros bought all those radio stations and there's a radio station in San
00:29:49.880
Francisco or Sacramento, one of the two that was announcing where border ice people were
00:29:57.480
and what cars they were in and all that type of stuff.
00:30:01.400
And when you endanger law enforcement, I believe that you're breaking the law.
00:30:07.200
You can watch the FCC is going to come way down on that.
00:30:16.720
And what's incredible, and George Soros, who has funded the most disastrous, deadly policies
00:30:23.160
and politicians in this country, just has wrought chaos everywhere his money goes.
00:30:28.000
He just got the, you know, the presidential freedom medal from Joe Biden.
00:30:33.160
Alex Soros is his son who now runs Open Society and all of his foundations continuing to fund
00:30:38.420
the disasters and Chuck Schumer posted on X that we have, you know, a billionaire run shadow
00:30:45.380
government that is taking over the federal government.
00:30:53.600
Alex Soros, which is just an irony because George Soros is a billionaire.
00:31:01.800
Which is exactly why we can't worry, I think, on the Republican side of, well, like, what
00:31:08.520
are they going to do, you know, when they're in power, if we do this, not saying that they
00:31:12.880
shouldn't act in integrity, but some people are worried, oh, if Trump does this, maybe
00:31:19.940
They're always going to do the worst thing that they possibly can.
00:31:23.660
And so Trump's job isn't to worry about what Democrats are going to do next.
00:31:27.260
His job is to worry about what he can get done right now.
00:31:29.440
He will not, yeah, and I think he learned that from his first, I think he tried to make
00:31:35.300
He's not in the friend making business right now.
00:31:37.520
And of course, for Chuck Schumer, that's a better statement to retweet than his tweet
00:31:42.440
that he put out about, you know, here's why you need to be against tariffs.
00:31:46.640
Your guacamole and your beer are going to be more expensive.
00:31:53.760
I mean, well, yeah, in New York, they have the fake stuff that they just have to mush together.
00:32:01.520
Speaking of lawmakers, I saw this clip of Jasmine Crockett.
00:32:07.500
She's in Congress now going around again talking about mediocre white men.
00:32:18.380
Everything for her goes back to white supremacy.
00:32:20.300
The white man, because she's clearly so oppressed.
00:32:24.180
I know that I had to work 10 times as hard as they did just to get into the seat.
00:32:29.300
When you look and you compare me to Marjorie Taylor Greene or me to Lauren Boebert, there
00:32:35.080
And that is the life that we have always lived.
00:32:37.560
So the only people that are crying are the mediocre white boys that have been beaten out
00:32:41.980
by people that historically have had to work so much harder.
00:32:51.040
So were you in the Texas legislature with her or was she there after you?
00:32:57.400
And, you know, she wasn't even well liked within her own party in the Texas legislature.
00:33:03.760
I had several Democrat people that I, colleagues that I'd worked with down there.
00:33:08.580
If you talk to them about her, they just roll their eyes because it's all about her.
00:33:13.780
I mean, she's all about, you know, making a show.
00:33:17.240
I talk about, you know, workhorses and show horses.
00:33:21.820
She would someone that would get up in the middle of the legislative session when they're
00:33:26.320
trying to discuss bills and make some type of lambasted speech and statement and stuff
00:33:31.880
And I mean, just, and she never accomplished anything either, by the way, if you look at
00:33:36.300
the record of the bill, she passed almost nothing.
00:33:42.640
What she did do is she ran out on her responsibilities when we were trying to pass, they were trying
00:33:48.840
to pass a bill that would cut down on election fraud and things like that to try to make elections
00:33:57.100
OK, and she and some of her colleagues led by her ran off to Washington, D.C. and refused
00:34:09.000
OK, she wants to make it so it's easier to cheat.
00:34:13.440
And that's why she's, you know, pro open borders, all that type of stuff.
00:34:18.980
And she's just not she's just not a very good person.
00:34:24.920
And still being a member of Congress who has made her way up from state legislature to
00:34:31.880
Congress, she still thinks that she's oppressed.
00:34:35.120
She still thinks that it's the mediocre white boy that is somehow in her way.
00:34:40.740
Look, if that were the case, if like you are so excellent, you are so much better than those
00:34:45.080
mediocre boys, then you shouldn't need DEI programs and the racial quotas that purposely
00:34:53.560
If you are so awesome and so excellent, you should be able to rise to the top no matter
00:35:07.700
And she is a she is everything that's wrong with the whole victimhood in America.
00:35:14.660
Yeah, we have a lot of Texas legislators that make their way to Congress from Democrat-run
00:35:37.860
Now, interestingly enough, the gentleman that took her place, Sylvester Turner, I did serve
00:35:43.800
with, and Sylvester and I had a great relationship.
00:35:48.180
And I often said, at least when I served with him.
00:36:01.520
And he said, oh, your dad was my favorite legislator when we were down there because my dad,
00:36:11.420
as conservative as he is, he, I mean, you really worked with the other side because
00:36:16.100
different than this show horse, you were actually concerned about, okay, what can we
00:36:25.960
Rather than like, how can I just make a name for myself?
00:36:31.880
And there are still some there that try to do that.
00:36:36.440
And I would often say, if you had helicoptered in and didn't know what party he was in, many
00:36:41.700
times you would think, well, this guy's got to be a conservative Republican on this particular
00:36:46.800
Now, there were other things we certainly disagreed on, but it was, yeah, he was, he's
00:36:54.220
And the book that you just referenced, Life Lessons from the Little Red Wagon.
00:37:00.780
We'll put the link in the, in the description of the episode so people can get it.
00:37:10.880
And you just have to like, if you haven't learned anything from the past election, the
00:37:14.420
past four years, the past eight years, the media lies to you and the pictures that they
00:37:24.180
And sometimes you just have to ignore it and just say, no, what Trump is doing right
00:37:35.500
I really thought, I mean, I love Ron DeSantis still and think he would have done a great
00:37:42.180
And he, in some ways kind of taught us what it was like to not care about what the other
00:37:51.320
But President Trump has really done that over the past couple of weeks.
00:37:56.060
He has shown he's not just in it for a personal vindictiveness.
00:37:59.120
He is, as you said, not in the friend making business.
00:38:05.240
Can I give one bit of encouragement to your audience?
00:38:07.800
What I would encourage your audience to do is just let President Trump and his people
00:38:15.720
They know where they're going, but where we need to stay involved is locally.
00:38:22.840
And a lot of those are happening this spring, your local school board and city elections.
00:38:29.120
You can have the most impact because it's the least turnout voters.
00:38:35.020
And you make sure and interview or either research each candidate.
00:38:42.340
Well, first, what I would first do is find the names of the candidate and then look to
00:38:48.020
see whether or not in the past, you can do this in Texas, in a lot of states, whether
00:38:52.900
they voted in a Democrat or Republican primary in the past.
00:38:57.220
It won't tell you who they voted for specifically.
00:38:59.140
Can you put in like your zip code or your county and say local elections in this county?
00:39:07.020
In your county, what are the local elections in 2025?
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You need to know what their positions are, especially when it comes to school board.
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And you can also call your local Republican party because they'll know and they can give
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And you just have a lot more access to those people that are running.
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Most of them will be happy to sit down with you over coffee.
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Whereas, you know, your congressman in D.C. just probably won't be able to do that.
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But they've got a million people they represent.
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That's a really good piece of advice and advice that I'm taking to heart.
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So Lily Collins is an actress and she is the latest person in the news about the birth of
00:41:39.740
And listen, when we started talking about this on Relatable, I think the first episode
00:41:52.100
And I did not have all of the knowledge and all of the passion about this subject that
00:41:58.760
So I'm not trying to say that I was some like trailblazer in general in talking about this.
00:42:04.940
There are people who have been talking about the ethics of surrogacy and IVF for a very
00:42:15.260
These are women who have really informed me on the subject and have helped me grow in
00:42:22.180
And yet most people, I will say in conservative media, simply were not talking about this.
00:42:28.900
And man, when we started talking about this, like if I told you some of the names of the
00:42:33.940
people in the conservative commentariat who messaged me and told me to sit down and to
00:42:42.060
stop talking about this, that my position on this is sad and radical and extreme, who
00:42:49.580
now seem to have moved that direction without ever telling me, hey, like maybe I shouldn't
00:42:58.400
Or the people who I know were like, oh, I can't believe that we're talking about this,
00:43:04.180
who actually thought that it was a pro-life position at one point to be for things like
00:43:13.140
Like I also didn't know about like the ethics of surrogacy and the industry and all of that.
00:43:18.240
I would have said at one point, yeah, I don't really care like how the baby comes to the
00:43:23.520
If they come to the world, then it's beautiful and it's a blessing and we shouldn't shame someone
00:43:27.920
So it is awesome for people to change their mind.
00:43:30.780
I am also one of those people that as I've gotten more information, my mind has really
00:43:37.140
However, I'm just saying that like it is such a shift.
00:43:42.340
It is such a shift from where it was a few years ago when it was very stigmatized and
00:43:50.100
And understandably in some ways, because infertility is a very, very, very sad and difficult and sensitive
00:43:56.720
and personal subject that we should approach with compassion.
00:44:00.080
However, what I've realized is that we also have to approach these babies with compassion
00:44:04.720
and how babies are conceived and how they are gestated and how they are born actually matters
00:44:10.080
because they are people made in the image of God.
00:44:12.460
And in all of those arenas, we should be doing everything to maximize not only their chances
00:44:23.660
And so when we look at the process of IVF, we look at the process of sperm donation and
00:44:33.080
None of these things maximize the well-being of the child.
00:44:36.360
They may maximize the satisfaction of the wishes of the parents, but not the well-being of the
00:44:41.680
And when we shift our mentality to the needs of the children over the wants of the parent,
00:44:47.680
that changes everything of what we think about these subjects.
00:44:51.060
And as I've realized that, again, crediting so many people that were preaching that message
00:44:56.000
far before I did, that has just really deepened my conviction over this.
00:45:02.400
So no matter how many messages I used to get or still get from people saying I should never
00:45:07.840
And I literally had someone threaten me and tell me if I talk about IVF again, she's going
00:45:12.680
to make sure that I'm mass reported and that I'm deplatformed from Instagram for talking
00:45:18.820
I will continue to talk about reproductive technology because these babies in the womb who are
00:45:28.220
So I am always grateful when there is a story like this, even though I don't like it.
00:45:34.120
I'm grateful that there's a story like this of a prominent actress going through a
00:45:37.820
And I am so grateful, truly, I'm so grateful that it has shifted so much that now so many
00:45:45.660
conservatives and so many Christians are talking about this and are realizing, like with every
00:45:52.480
story like this that comes out, there are more people who stand up and are like, oh, that
00:45:58.320
And so let me read you the story and I think you'll know exactly what I'm talking about.
00:46:01.980
So she's best known, Lily Collins, for the lead role in Netflix's Emily in Paris.
00:46:07.060
She posted a photo to her Instagram account announcing the birth of her daughter via surrogate.
00:46:13.260
Words will never express our endless gratitude for our incredible surrogate and everyone who
00:46:21.500
I have absolutely no doubt that she loves her baby very much and that she is grateful to
00:46:27.540
But Lily's post, however, was flooded with critics who were critical that the couple
00:46:35.240
And again, this is such a shift from what it was a few years ago.
00:46:38.940
And I think also just the breakneck pace of the LGBTQ sexual revolution has also made people
00:46:46.480
take a step back for a second and say, hang on, how did we get here?
00:46:50.340
Like, how do we get to the point to where we are now renting wombs?
00:46:53.920
And in some cases, like buying children via egg and sperm donation, like how did we get
00:47:02.580
So one commenter wrote that surrogacy is, end quote, exploitation of impoverished women
00:47:08.500
that shouldn't be normalized, while another user argued that having babies shouldn't be
00:47:17.100
Lily's husband, Charlie McDowell, quickly hopped into the comment section to defend their
00:47:25.100
He said, it's OK not to be an expert on surrogacy.
00:47:27.000
It's OK not to know why someone might need a surrogate to have a child.
00:47:29.500
It's OK to not know the motivations of a surrogate, regardless of what you assume.
00:47:35.180
And it's OK to spend less time spewing hateful words into the world, especially in regards
00:47:41.100
See, this is often the manipulation that happens, the emotional game that is played there, that
00:47:46.380
if you criticize surrogacy, if you show compassion for the surrogate, if you show compassion for
00:47:52.120
the baby who has just been torn away from the only body and smell and heartbeat that she
00:47:57.740
knows that you are being hateful towards the parents who wanted to do this.
00:48:02.340
Because in all of these, in all forms of reproductive technology, what is being prioritized more than
00:48:08.700
the well-being of the child is the wish of the parent.
00:48:11.220
And I am not saying the wish of the parent does not matter at all.
00:48:15.520
I am saying it does not matter as much as the well-being of the child.
00:48:20.860
We do not know why Lily Collins chose a surrogate.
00:48:25.400
And I know that what I will hear is that you don't know why someone has to have a surrogate.
00:48:33.440
Listen, IVF and surrogacy are never someone's only option because adoption is possible.
00:48:47.400
And I know that people say that is easy for you to say because you have your own biological
00:48:54.780
children and you do not have to have struggled with infertility yourself to call out the objective
00:49:02.520
reality of the ethical problems with something like surrogacy.
00:49:07.740
Because what we have right here is actually akin to The Handmaid's Tale.
00:49:13.100
For some reason, liberals love to dress up in their red robes and pretend that Margaret Atwood's
00:49:19.240
novel is about abortion, like allowing children who have been conceived to not be murdered and
00:49:29.680
It is actually much closer to the surrogacy industry in which you have rich women, which
00:49:34.700
I don't know if this is the motivation of Lily Collins, but for a lot of these celebrities
00:49:39.820
that use surrogates, rich women who want a baby because they're women and they have that
00:49:45.880
natural instinct to mother, but they don't want to ruin their body and they don't want
00:49:49.800
to hurt their career and they don't want to go through the sacrifice and they don't want
00:49:57.340
And so they pay a less rich woman, typically an impoverished woman, to do the hard work
00:50:07.660
And so if everyone consents to it, what's the big deal?
00:50:10.660
There are a lot of things that people consent to that are morally wrong.
00:50:15.100
It technically prostitutes, many of them, not all of them, many of them may say that
00:50:23.840
That does not mean that offering your body for a price is moral.
00:50:30.080
Because again, we don't believe as Christians in consent-based morality.
00:50:33.960
Consent is only one piece of the pie when we are deciding if something is right or wrong.
00:50:44.280
People can consent to being commodified and commercialized.
00:50:48.380
That does not make the commodification and the commercialization of human beings okay.
00:50:55.060
And the person who did not consent to any of this was the child.
00:50:59.300
And as we've talked about many times, the primal wound, which some people take issue with
00:51:05.900
this, but it is physiologically true that at the moment of birth, the child longs for the woman
00:51:19.300
And ideally, like this is the, this is also the biological mother.
00:51:23.700
But in the case of surrogacy, we have a lot of brokenness going on because we've got an egg,
00:51:30.380
typically we have an egg donor or an egg seller.
00:51:34.220
The egg seller is selling their eggs for money.
00:51:36.920
They're called an egg donor, but it's a misnomer.
00:51:41.660
And that egg is being joined with the sperm of another person.
00:51:47.300
And that embryo that is created is implanted to us into a surrogate who is another woman
00:51:58.040
For example, in the case of two men, they're actually purchasing the egg seller.
00:52:03.880
They're taking the baby away from the biological mother.
00:52:06.400
They're taking the baby away from the woman who carried that child.
00:52:12.540
And they are intentionally raising a child who is motherless.
00:52:16.240
I mean, what a cruel, draconian, demonic social experiment that we are forcing unconsenting
00:52:22.200
children into in the name of love is love and inclusion.
00:52:25.960
And there are even conservatives who will get on social media and applaud that ruthless and
00:52:34.820
But in the case of Lily Collins, it is probably her egg.
00:52:44.360
And yet, again, we know I didn't totally finish my thought, but I'm coming back to it.
00:52:48.460
There is a physiological reality here that that baby, when that baby is born, wants the
00:52:55.240
woman who carried him, wants who he thinks is his mother.
00:53:14.160
And the only reason someone would scoff at that and laugh that off and wave that away
00:53:21.660
Because that baby cannot articulate that that is what he or she wants.
00:53:26.700
That baby can't tell you that that is what he is crying.
00:53:29.240
And later on in life, 10 and 20 years later, when he still feels that wound of being separated
00:53:36.120
from the only home he has ever known, he still won't be able to verbalize that that's what
00:53:44.880
And we know that there is still a primal wound with kids who are adopted, who are separated
00:53:57.700
Because adoption redeems a broken situation, but surrogacy creates the broken situation.
00:54:05.080
Adoption redeems and cares for, in principle, a baby that has already been created, has already
00:54:11.480
been conceived, but surrogacy and even the IVF that always has to accompany surrogacy, you
00:54:17.400
are purposely, from the start, creating a child to be separated from the natural process of
00:54:27.520
And in the case of surrogacy, in the case of egg and sperm donation, you are purposely creating
00:54:32.960
that child to be separated from their mother and or father and the woman who created them.
00:54:38.720
So you are creating the broken situation in service of your wants.
00:54:46.500
We know that the separation that happens at birth for a variety of reasons, whether it's
00:54:51.860
because of surrogacy or not, can actually have a lifelong, indelible, psychological, physiological
00:55:02.260
And we are willing to risk that, especially in the United States, because, well, the parents
00:55:16.020
And so we think, especially pro-lifers, think that we should take an any means necessary approach
00:55:21.420
to having children because having children is good, but that is not actually the pro-life
00:55:29.140
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So lots of people are upset with this on X, which again, I just love to see Rachel Moselle.
00:56:51.360
This person says, I don't know where on the political spectrum this opinion falls,
00:56:54.920
but I think the concept of a womb for hire is egregiously exploitative and exploitative,
00:57:06.800
And I do think that there are progressives and conservatives that agree on this.
00:57:12.100
And I think that there are progressives and conservatives that are for this that will
00:57:17.340
not say anything about it because they don't want to upset their gay friends, which is very
00:57:22.800
Someone also said, what is up with this trend of wealthy women paying surrogates to carry
00:57:27.540
The most wonderful journey of being parents is the pregnancy.
00:57:29.880
The thought of providing everything the baby needs in your utero is a mother's privilege
00:57:38.480
Other people are pointing out that basically this is saying pregnancy is just for poor women.
00:57:45.480
Pregnancy is just for women who need the financial help.
00:57:53.380
Yeah, that's basically the concept of the handmaid's tale.
00:57:59.580
Not all, but most progressives are totally fine with this form of trafficking women's
00:58:12.860
She says, just such a coincidence how so many rich women whose careers are built around their
00:58:16.680
physical attractiveness have to use surrogates, isn't it?
00:58:19.020
Another mystery we'll never get to the bottom of.
00:58:24.100
Now, there are many, even though this is not an LGBTQ story.
00:58:29.580
There are many in the LGBTQ world who are very fiercely defensive of things like surrogacy
00:58:37.320
because, again, they are prioritizing their own wants over the well-being of children.
00:58:42.320
And so they will purposely create fatherless children.
00:58:45.060
They will purposely create motherless children.
00:58:51.900
And they will convince themselves their children are fine, that they're not robbing their children
00:58:56.260
But spoiler, the two people needed to make a baby are also needed to raise a baby and to
00:59:02.280
purposely create a motherless or fatherless child.
00:59:04.860
It's a social experiment that is extremely new.
00:59:07.720
Those chickens will come home to roost at some point.
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We don't know exactly what that's going to look like, but I guarantee you it will not be good.
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We're going to have a lot of lost and lonely and very confused young people.
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And I hear stories all the time, by the way, that you guys send me.
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And you met a child who was especially like little girls who are raised by two men who
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would always ask if you were their mother, who would have the propensity to go around to
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different women that they see and ask, are you my are you my mom?
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You'll remember this is not surrogacy or LGBTQ related, but Hayden Panettiere, a few years
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She had her own issues going on and her child was very young.
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And her father told Hayden that while they were apart, their young daughter would approach
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every woman they saw and ask, are you my mommy?
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He said, I'm so sad because my kids, I think they were toddlers at that point.
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But whenever my mom comes over, they always want to cuddle with her.
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Yeah, probably because you robbed your kids of a mom.
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And they're wondering, like, like, it's like that Dr. Seuss, actually, I think it's
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Eastman, but it's like under the Dr. Seuss umbrella, that that book, like, where is my
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And you have the little baby bird going around to the cow and to the truck and to all these
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Everyone wants to know whose they are and from where they come.
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The LGBTQ media world, the progressives, and not everyone who is in this world is OK with
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There are many who say, no, there's something wrong with that.
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And even though they identify as gay or something else, they understand that it's not their right
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But Pink News is like a big LGBTQ media outlet.
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They responded to the trending conversation with an article celebrating surrogacy for,
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It says, an outstanding gift, gay dad on the joy of having a child via surrogacy.
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And so they go through this person's, these people's story, Kevin and Michael.
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And this dad says, it's a special kind of relationship without a name.
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Our surrogate is not a sister, aunt, or cousin, but she is family.
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And then they are lamenting that there's a massive shortage of surrogates in the UK,
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They also say that this is an altruistic thing from surrogates.
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It's not altruistic because these surrogates are getting paid tens of thousands of dollars.
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And they're typically already mothers who feel strapped for cash.
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The woman who was strapped for cash was already a mother of four who was a surrogate twice.
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And the second time she was a surrogate, she was a surrogate for two men.
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She was diagnosed with cancer when she was pregnant.
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They told her, we don't want anything to do with this baby because something bad might happen to it.
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Abort this baby, and we don't want anything to do with you.
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The doctor said, hey, you really need to deliver early for your own health.
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We don't know entirely what happened, but she delivered very early, and the baby did not live.
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And again, we don't know entirely what happened with that procedure, but the dads that hired her wanted nothing to do with the remains of the baby.
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They just said they want a new surrogate to, quote, try again.
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So I'm not saying that at all describes every gay couple and how they treat their surrogate.
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But again, this like rosy picture of like the friends and everything that is just not always the case.
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So this person, Helen Prosser, is actually who said there's a massive shortage of surrogates in the UK.
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She points to the desire of women to have children as a way to get women interested in being a surrogate.
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It's innate, she says, the desire to have children, and we feel it is one of the greatest joys that somebody can have.
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Yes, to have your own children, to have your own children.
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And Katie Faust says, do you know how hard it is to make a motherless baby in response to all of this?
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A mother is required for life to, is required for life to being, is the child's entire emotional, nutritional, physical world for nine and a half months.
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And even beyond that, if you're breastfeeding, it's critical to infant bonding, attachment, and soothing.
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And the CEO of Pink News is Benjamin Cohen and his partner, former trustee of a UK pro-LGBTQ organization called Mermaids.
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They have a picture of themselves carrying a newborn baby they obtained via surrogacy away from his mother.
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Just as a reminder, surrogacy, whether it's two men doing it or whether it's a man or a woman doing it, like we are treating babies worse than we are treating puppies.
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We say that puppies and kittens need to stay with their mothers for eight to 12 weeks because it is cruel to take them away from their dog mom or their cat mom.
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And yet for babies, human beings born via surrogacy, we take them away from their mothers and from the woman who gestated them minutes after birth.
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It doesn't, I don't care what the gender are of the people doing this.
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And no matter how a child is conceived, that child is made in the image of God, has just as much value as my children or anyone else's, and should be cherished and loved and cared for.
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And I believe these parents do love their kids.
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But again, the safety, the well-being, the interests of children must supersede the desires of the parents and of grownups.
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And if you want more information about all of this, I have so many episodes on surrogacy and IVF and sperm and egg selling.
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We'll put a few of them in the description of this episode.
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We can't put all of them because there are so many, especially if you want to know more about IVF, because it seems to surprise people, my position on it.
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We have many conversations about it, compassionate, gentle conversations about it.
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Some passionate, though, from all different angles.
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People have struggled with infertility from a doctor's perspective, from an advocate's perspective, like all different kinds of perspectives on it we have covered on this show.
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So go back and listen to those if you're curious about it.
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As you can hear, like, I'm very adamant about this subject, and it's not because I have, like, disdain for people who have gone through this or struggled with this.
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It's because, like, there's just not enough people sticking up for these children.
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So thank you to those of you who are doing that now and who have done that, because culture is changing.
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Times they are changing on this in a really, really good way, and praise the Lord for that.
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The prayer of a righteous person has much power as it is working, and the Lord is using every step of obedience of Christians, private and public, to change the game and to protect these children.
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Let's keep raising our respectful ruckus about this.
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All right, that's all we've got time for today.