Ep 1137 ｜ Paula White & 'He Gets Us' Get Jesus Wrong
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Summary
Paula White has been appointed by President Trump to lead his new White House faith office. Who is she and why is she so controversial? We ll get into all of that today as we talk about the Super Bowl, the cringe ads, and more!
Transcript
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Paula White has been appointed by President Trump to lead his new White House faith office.
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We'll get into all of that, but first we will look at the Super Bowl, the great ads, the
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We've got so much on today's episode of Relatable.
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Hope everyone had a wonderful and restful weekend.
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You can tell from the sound and from the look that I am not in my studio recording remotely
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We are going to talk about all things Super Bowl, and yes, we will get into Paula White.
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And per usual, we have so much to talk about this week.
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I am going to try my darndest to get it all in.
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There were so many things I wanted to talk about in today's episode that we just didn't
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have time when we were researching and putting our outline together, like Wheaton College and
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their response to Russ Voigt being appointed and being confirmed to his position in the
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I will do my best to get into all of that, probably on Wednesday, because tomorrow we are
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If you haven't listened to his conversation with Joe Rogan, you should.
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And we will get into a lot of really interesting apologetics, theology, history stuff tomorrow.
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Thank you to all of you who have been praying for us as we have been battling the flu in
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I told you on Instagram, but if you didn't catch it, my encouragement to you is that if
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you are in the midst of flu, we had flu A, it lasts a long time.
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This is like a 7- to 10-day deal, and what I have been told, both by our pediatrician
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and by those of you out there who have been experiencing this sickness, is that you really
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have to look out for the post-infection infections.
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And this is true, I think, of all viruses at all times, but it seems to me like the post-flu
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So things like pneumonia, sinus infection, ear infections, again, I think we're probably
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always susceptible to those things when our immune systems are suppressed, but I'm just
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noticing that this seems to be really common and then catching a different kind of flu strand
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And so I have been taking, trying to get my kids to take, they've been taking like their
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normal supplements, but Chief Related Bro and I have been taking, in addition to our normal
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I don't know if you guys have ever had CMOS gel.
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You got a kick out of me saying on Instagram that it's not the best thing I've ever tasted,
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It is the exact kind of texture that you would expect from CMOS, which is not good.
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I hear that it comes in gummy form and capsule form.
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I don't know if that is as fresh or if it works as well.
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So if it's as bioavailable as the form that I got, I got it from Sprouts and just like
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a warning, it is ridiculously expensive, which don't tell Dave Ramsey this, but that is like
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I saw it and the fact that it was $35 for a jar, I was like, that's intriguing.
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That's probably not the way to grocery shop, but I'm glad that I got it because I actually
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I had just seen like the benefits of ashwagandha and I'm sure there's some of you out there
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who like have heard horror stories about ashwagandha.
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I have no idea, but I've heard the benefits of it.
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And so it has like a black seed oil and different things in there too.
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I actually really think that it's helped me because every day I start thinking that I
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It just dissipates by the afternoon, which is crazy for the flu.
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Typically when one person gets it in a household, everyone gets it and somehow she for later
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bro and I have like been on the brink of it and then we just haven't gotten it.
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I've taken like a lot of zinc and of course vitamin C and D and there are all other kinds
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A lot of you out there have recommended oregano oil.
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I don't think that I've taken that for immunity purposes, but if you guys say that it works,
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And so I am praying for you and I am thinking about you, my thoughts and prayers and heart
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If you are going through that yourself or if your kids are going through it, it's just
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And when every day you wake up hoping, okay, today's the day they're going to be back to
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a hundred percent and they're still feeling miserable and pitiful.
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I've just been like thanking the Lord for immune systems and for all of the tools that
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And it's also a great gospel opportunity conversations I've had with my five-year-old, just that one
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And one day our bodies will be whole and perfect and we will never have to get the flu.
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We will never have to worry about all different kinds of ailments and imperfections and struggles
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and suffering and pain that we have to go through.
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And so even moments like this, it's a good opportunity to remind our kids of future joy
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and redemption and to rely on the Lord when things are hard and to pray even for things
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that might seem small and might seem temporary.
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We get to cast all of our cares on the Lord because he cares for us.
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So I'm praying for all of those little difficult, but redemptive moments and your life.
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And if you didn't, I don't blame you because I didn't really have a dog in this fight.
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They've been in the Superbowl a lot and that's great.
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I hear that going to the Superbowl as a football team is positive.
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And then you have the Eagles, which I understand they were also glad to go to the Superbowl.
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And I think they've also won the Superbowl in the past.
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Um, but as I will get into in just a second, um, I decided at the end after the Eagles won
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that I am an Eagles fan and I was glad that they won because the coach gave glory to God.
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If we don't have that clip, we should make sure that we have it so I can play it.
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And because it was really sweet how he just praised Jesus as he was trying to hold it
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But first we'll get into some more, um, lighthearted things.
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Let me actually, let me just go ahead and play since I, since I referenced it.
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Let me just go ahead and play that really like beautiful moment.
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This is one of many moments of people glorifying God and praising Jesus, um, before and after
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But this is the moment that I referenced producer Brie said it saw 10.
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Uh, he gave us all the talents to be able to get here.
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You can't be great without the greatness of others.
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And we, uh, great performance by everybody, offense, defense, special teams, how we get
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us, the guys, our coaching staff, these great players.
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We didn't really ever care what anyone thought about how we won or their opinions.
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That's why we listened to my prerogative a little bit when we were, uh, after some wins,
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Um, I, when I was watching that, the interviewer said after that, he was like, yeah, we know
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And I thought that was just really beautiful that he took the opportunity to praise Jesus.
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Now let's get into some more lighthearted things.
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Let's, um, well, I guess you could consider this lighthearted.
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You could consider it happy, but it is indicative, I think, of the so-called vibe shift that has
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Trump was at the Superbowl game and he was cheered.
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Taylor Swift, the girlfriend of Chiefs player, Travis Kelsey was there and she was booed.
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It's kind of hard to tell, but he is being cheered when he is on camera and everyone sees him.
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He's there saluting, looking very regal, patriotic might be the better adjective.
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And it's just like a really sweet, I think, unifying, happy moment.
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And then Taylor Swift is also put up on the Jumbotron and she didn't get quite the reception
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Okay, I think I'm probably going to have a wide variety of opinions on that.
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If you're just listening to this, she's like looking around, she's on the Jumbotron, she's
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I'm not even sure if she knows that she is being booed in that moment.
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I just thought that this was kind of like unnecessary and rude.
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Obviously, I really disagree with Taylor Swift politically.
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Is it just because people think that she is like distracted?
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Um, Kelsey, like, do they, do they just think that she has turned the NFL into kind of like
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a spectacle, trivialized it, made it about her somehow?
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Or is it because she's a lib and a lot of people aren't libs anymore?
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And people have a lot of growing disdain for libs and people who are anti-Trump.
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And she was very vehemently anti-Trump during the campaign, just according to her post and
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her endorsement of Kamala Harris and her outspokenness for child murder, abortion, and things like
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quote unquote LGBTQ rights, including the so-called right of a man to go into girls' spaces.
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Like all of those things I think are worth booing.
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I don't know if she should be booed, like, at the Super Bowl.
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It just seemed like an odd and unnecessarily rude thing to me.
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But you can tell me, you can tell me what you think in the comments.
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I want to go through some of my favorite ads and some of my least favorite ads and tell you
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Okay, so this Rocket ad was the, um, I don't actually, I don't even know if it was successful
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I guess when I re-watch this ad, I'll remember.
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It is, has been one of my favorite songs for a very long time.
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And I just remember this song being played so much and I will never not love it.
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So whenever I hear it, and it also reminds me of that scene in The Office between Andy
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So many songs that I love remind me of scenes from The Office.
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Anyway, I thought that this was a very sweet pro-family, pro-community, just positive message
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It says, everyone deserves their shot at the American dream.
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If someone could tell me in the chat, in the, in our team chat, what rocket is, that would
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But I loved that, that it's very pro-American dream, very sweet, very pro-life, pro-baby,
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Just really beautiful and indicative of, I think, where the culture is and what the culture
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Financial technology company that offers mortgage, real estate, and personal finance services.
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And then Google had this really sweet job interview ad that was very heartwarming.
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When you're ready, tell me about the job that taught you the most.
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Well, it was a role where I learned to take constructive criticism.
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I got pretty used to, you know, working long hours with a small team.
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So, again, if you're listening to this, this is a dad.
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He's using Gemini AI on his Google phone to, like, take mock questions to get ready for
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He's, like, he's doing job interviews because he's, I guess, just, I don't know if he's
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been, like, a full-time dad, single dad, stay-at-home dad for the past however many years.
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And all of the, I'm, like, literally about to cry that I'm explaining this.
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Like, life experience, job experience, management experience, a time management experience.
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There's so much that you learn from being a parent.
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So, he's talking about, like, constructive feedback and all of these things that he learned.
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But you see depictions of him being a dad over the years.
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And that's what he's referring to, that he learned all of these skills while he was a
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And I just thought this was a really funny commercial in his very trademark style.
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I got me an opera singer that sings me compliments.
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I, so I went to a Nate Bregazzi show a couple years ago when I had just heard of him.
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I think Timothy and I saw, Chief Related Bro and I saw him on Netflix.
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And we were like crying, laughing, watching his special.
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So, so we saw him live and I don't think I have ever been to an event that is not my own event that I have run into as many relatable viewers and listeners as I did there.
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Like the crossover, at least then, now he's become like this mega star with probably like just a wide array of people that watch him.
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But like the crossover of Nate Bregazzi fans and relatable fans.
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And it was super fun because he is a clean comic.
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He doesn't, as far as I know, is not like explicitly talking about Christianity.
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But he definitely doesn't make fun of Christianity.
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But he's not like what I would call a Christian comic, quote unquote.
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Sometimes he just like makes fun of himself for not really understanding like assertions about climate change and things like that.
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And he has completely blown up in popularity over the past couple of years.
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And he did this interview with Kevin Hart and this other guy from SNL.
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And he's like, yeah, no, I'm not going to do that.
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And they just start dropping like F-bombs, MF, blah, blah, blah.
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And I just thought, first of all, Kevin Hart, the reason that you have to rely,
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the reason why anyone has to rely on crude language to tell a joke is because you're not actually funny.
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And people laugh because that's what they're used to.
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Maybe they do think it's funny or they're just uncomfortable.
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That was completely inhospitable and uncalled for and unnecessary.
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And I just appreciate that Nate Bragazzi, he's been on SNL.
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He's, I think he has like a Las Vegas residency right now or something.
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And obviously he's in a Super Bowl commercial and he has still stayed true to that, that
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he has not compromised on what has become his brand, but started, I think, just like as
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And we are going to see him again in just a few months.
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Now we have someone who is very confusing to me.
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And I did not, you know, people are talking about, oh, I didn't vote for Elon Musk.
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I did not vote for Snoop Dogg to be everywhere, to be in every commercial, to be on every show,
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And I'm like, okay, this is literally the guy that a few years ago made a music video
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that depicted a like mock assassination of Donald Trump.
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And now here he is in a commercial standing up against hate.
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I hate you because we're from different neighborhoods.
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Man, I hate that things are so bad that we have to do a commercial about it.
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It's just silly that Snoop Dogg is the voice for that.
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There's a lot of people who have a reputation for being like very loving and unifying.
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I didn't know that Snoop Dogg was one of those people.
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Can someone just like clue me in as to why he has become like the symbol of unity for the United States?
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When again, he made that video just a few years ago.
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And as far as I know, it's not like he's like asked forgiveness for that.
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And so I'm not even, I'm not even going to play these next ones.
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And the NFL was about, it was like depicted this girl.
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And it was a high school girl that was going up against a group of very strong and masculine, macho football, like male football players.
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And it was flag football and they were like, yeah, you can't beat us.
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And then she played flag football against these guys and she beat all of them.
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And they were like, we need flag football for girls to be made a varsity sport in all 50 states.
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Hey, if girls can beat guys as the NFL apparently thinks, then why not tackle football?
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I think girls would probably really excel in that.
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If they can play soccer, if they can play rugby, rugby is probably a lot more physical even than flag football, then that's fine.
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But why does it have to be that in order for a sport to be legitimate for girls, a girl has to be able to beat a boy?
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Because that's what you just depicted in the NFL as a fantasy.
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Would a 15-year-old girl be able to beat 15-year-old boys in a sport like soccer?
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Like, 15-year-old girls would probably have a hard time beating, like, 11-year-old boys.
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Literally, in flag football, I don't think 15-year-old girls could beat 11-year-old boys.
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And so just say that you want sports for girls.
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You don't need to have them in this, like, weird fantasy of being able to beat a boy in that game.
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And then Nike has an ad that is promoting girls' sports, you know, promoting Caitlin Clark.
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And they say, you can't put yourself, you, the narrator says, you can't put yourself first, so put yourself first.
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You can't put yourself first, so put yourself first.
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But just as a reminder, Nike has been anti-women for a very long time.
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And their acceptance of trans ideology in 2020, Nike joined 142 businesses to support overturning a Tennessee bill
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that would prevent male athletes from competing in girls' sports.
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In 2023, Nike partnered with trans-identifying male Dylan Mulvaney to his, you know, 100 days of girlhood,
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where he pretended to basically be, like, a 12-year-old girl as a grown 30-year-old man.
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They partnered with him to promote their sports bras and female work attire.
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If anyone is oppressing women, taking opportunities away from women, it is you, Nike, through your promotion and acceptance.
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Of transgender ideology and men in girls' sports.
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We've got some good moments of Christian players praising God before, during, after the Super Bowl.
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There is a Christian sports media ministry called Sports Spectrum.
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They created this compilation of Super Bowl athletes bringing glory to Jesus before the game.
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It's someone that I look up to every single day to decide what I want to do with my life and how I want to live my life.
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In my faith, this has always been a part of me where I've always wanted to root myself in that
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and keep him in the center of my life and everything that I do.
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He guides every decision that I make, and he has a love that's so forgiving.
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You know, all my shortfallings, I know that he's there.
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It's a weight lifted off your shoulder when you know you have that power.
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I know that the Lord's gone through, he's gone through every single adversity that I could ever go through, you know, and he's dominated it.
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I know I'm nothing without him, man, and I feel like it doesn't get any more simpler than that.
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Nothing matters other than the serving God because all this, it goes away.
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And there were many others, too, but all of those were different players on each team talking about just who Jesus is,
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why they want to glorify God with their lives, and I love that so much.
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All right, let's talk about the halftime show for just a second.
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I know people always have very strong opinions about the halftime show.
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You know, people debate all the time whether any artist is talented.
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It probably doesn't come as a surprise to you that I am not, like, an OG Kendrick Lamar fan.
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Like, this is not what is playing in the, like, soundtrack of my life.
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But I have listened to some of his music, and I do think that it's unique.
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I find his lyrics to be very clever and interesting.
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And if we're just going to have, like, a battle between Kendrick Lamar and Drake when it comes to that,
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And again, I probably haven't listened to a Drake song since 2017.
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And I find Kendrick Lamar's songs kind of scary, but interesting.
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Like, I want to listen to the lyrics to try to figure out what he's saying.
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And he had this whole diss track against Drake.
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And, yeah, I guess some people liked it, and some people didn't.
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Some people also thought that he was making fun of America.
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Like, if you see this picture, his dancers are in red, white, and blue.
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And this is supposed to be, like, the American flag.
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And some people are also saying the fact that he used Samuel L. Jackson,
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Other people are saying, no, this was actually saying that America has never really accepted
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or understood, like, rap and hip-hop, which is a criticism that Kendrick Lamar has given before.
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And Kendrick Lamar is not known as, like, a wholesome figure.
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He did a couple years ago do this whole thing at one of his shows where he was dressed up
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like Jesus with the crown of thorns with fake blood dripping down his face
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And this was right after the overturning of Roe v. Wade.
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I don't think that we should give Kendrick Lamar the benefit of the doubt in his Super Bowl show
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that he was actually, like, saying that America is awesome.
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However, there are some positive aspects of it.
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Like, we didn't see a bunch of, like, scantily clad women or sexually perverse dancing.
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And since it was up for interpretation, it wasn't, like, blatantly anti-America.
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I don't really have that much else to say about that.
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Let's talk about something much more important that people always ask me about every year
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that I think I've given a monologue on for the past few years.
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And that is more my past episodes, past years have given a more thorough rebuttal for the
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And so I would go back and listen to some of those things because, honestly, it's a little
00:32:07.840
I feel the same way this year as I've always felt about He Gets Us.
00:32:14.640
You can type in Relatable He Gets Us wherever you listen or on YouTube, and the monologues
00:32:20.660
But He Gets Us had another ad at the Super Bowl this year, and I thought it posed the same
00:33:04.660
Okay, so this is Jesus showing us what greatness really is.
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It's a bunch of depictions of people, like, being there for each other, feeling deeply for
00:33:14.460
someone else, helping someone who either looks like them or doesn't look like them.
00:33:18.400
You've got someone at a pride parade being hugged by a person wearing a John 316 hat.
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You've got someone, like, washing off some graffiti on a wall that says, go back.
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And apparently this is supposed to be about Jesus.
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This is a creative advertising agency who has created the previous He Gets Us ads, and
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I'll tell you my specific thoughts about this campaign and this ad in a moment.
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But just as a refresher of the background of He Gets Us, like, where is this coming from?
00:33:55.960
This is the only explicitly, if you could even call it that, explicitly Christian ad at
00:34:02.840
And so I think it's worth looking at, well, who created it and why?
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It was their first Super Bowl ad appeared at Super Bowl 57 in 2023.
00:34:17.720
In its first year, He Gets Us reportedly cost $100 million, their ad campaign.
00:34:24.520
And it wasn't, I think that's kind of wrong to say it was funded by the Signature, because
00:34:29.660
a Christian, it's just a Christian donor-advised fund.
00:34:35.000
It was funded by donors who donated through the Signature.
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But the Signature is a company that promises to channel its contributors' dollars into biblically
00:34:48.640
And so that year, it actually caught a lot of flack from progressives in the media because
00:34:54.040
of their ties to the Signature and because the Signature donates, or so these people said.
00:35:01.800
So these angry activists said, donates millions of dollars to Alliance Defending Freedom.
00:35:08.680
The left paints it as anti-LGBTQ, hateful, all of this stuff, even though they're just fighting
00:35:14.920
for religious liberty or First Amendment rights.
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And so because of that connection, a lot of people on the left were angry.
00:35:25.180
But this is a really stupid controversy because, as I have already alluded to, a donor-advised
00:35:29.780
fund, they're not just, they're not actually donating their own dollars to these organizations.
00:35:37.540
A donor-advised fund is taking the donor funds from donors, and they are donating it to the
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cause that the donors say that they want to donate to.
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There are a lot of secular corporations that would allow you to donate your funds to Christian
00:35:58.840
This just happens to be an explicitly Christian company that works with Christians.
00:36:03.500
Also, the first year of the campaign, you had the Hobby Lobby founders.
00:36:08.400
They were a part of it, and according to the left, there's controversy surrounding the Green
00:36:16.120
family because Hobby Lobby fought to not have to supply their employees with abortifacient
00:36:24.020
birth control, which, of course, he gets us now, though, is run by a nonprofit group
00:36:31.500
They took over the He Gets Us campaign in 2024, and they took over the funding and the oversight
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of the marketing campaign, and that is probably where a lot of the, I would say most of the
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direction and the content has come from, in addition to He Gets Us using the Lerma ad agency.
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So the Lerma ad agency is a far-left, pro-LGBTQ ad agency, and it's a very strange choice for
00:37:11.640
Whether you agree with their content or their strategy or not, it is a very weird choice to
00:37:17.380
choose a pro-LGBTQ, pro-secularism, far-left ad agency.
00:37:26.720
There are more apolitical ad agencies, but they chose Lerma ad agency.
00:37:33.140
They say that their focus is on inclusive marketing for diverse audiences to navigate today's
00:37:49.380
They want to heavily promote, quote-unquote, LGBTQIA plus visibility in marketing.
00:37:56.880
When it came to He Gets Us, they said that they are using the confrontation of Jesus.
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Quote, He Gets Us tells the story of Jesus through a modern lens, but it doesn't even really
00:38:15.560
It's not even telling the story of Jesus to demonstrate the way he fought for radical love
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So the company that made this campaign, that's what they're saying, this is who Jesus is,
00:38:28.740
which, of course, is not the biblical definition of Jesus.
00:38:31.880
Yes, radical love, not radical inclusion, in that He said, the way to heaven is very narrow.
00:38:42.480
And John 14, 6, only those who come through me will make it to the Father.
00:38:49.860
The way, the truth, the life, no one comes to the Father except through me.
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And so it depends on what you mean by inclusion.
00:38:57.880
Yes, He loved the world, as John 3, 16 said, but He also told everyone that He came into
00:39:05.980
contact with to go and sin no more, to repent of their sin, to take up their cross and follow
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The campaign has garnered 4.8 million website users, 1.4 billion video views, and 196 million
00:39:20.620
digital media engagement numbers are growing daily.
00:39:27.620
If you look at their Instagram page, for example, they've got a post that says,
00:39:31.860
Brands with Pride, a brief history of LGBTQIA plus visibility in advertising.
00:39:37.380
And one of their posts mentioned this 2015 ad by Gillette that promoted a so-called transgender
00:39:48.420
That's really hard to believe that that was 2015, because I remember that.
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And I'm pretty sure that was just a couple years ago, but their page does say that that
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And so that's what Lerma believes, who is behind He Gets Us.
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Also, if you look at He Gets Us, their own website, when they're asked about things like
00:40:09.660
the FAQ section, asked about their stance on the LGBTQ community, they say, Jesus loves
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I already have like a problem with that language, especially trans people, because no one is
00:40:26.380
You can't actually transition from one gender or one sex to the other.
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And so already they're adopting just deceitful language that could actually affirm and validate
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They say, no matter who you are, you are invited to explore the story of Jesus and consider what
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It's not even introducing someone to the gospel.
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I'm not even saying it has to be fire and brimstone.
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But it's not even offering a little bit of their need for a savior, which I think is
00:41:04.460
pretty important to articulate because there's not good news unless you understand the bad
00:41:09.020
And the bad news is that we are sinners in need of a savior, that we are dead in sin apart
00:41:15.340
And again, I'm not saying that you have to say that in some like mean, violent way, but
00:41:19.420
it should be clear, or at least at the very least, low bar here, like implied, who does
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They say that they include people in this project who believe lots of different things about
00:41:38.260
And they say He Gets Us is a project under Come Near, a nonprofit startup who believed that
00:41:43.660
Jesus was human and divine, rose from the dead, and more.
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And they talk about on their website that Jesus defined true greatness in a very different
00:41:54.940
He showed that the greatest thing that we could be is in humble service to others, which
00:42:03.100
Again, the world already believes that Jesus was just a moral teacher.
00:42:07.960
The world already believes that He was some like hippie, dippy, loving guy who said true
00:42:14.580
things and told us to live gentler and more service-minded lives.
00:42:22.660
And these ads just seem to affirm this idea of Jesus being a moralistic hippie teacher who
00:42:30.740
has nothing to offer you beyond just some better rules for life.
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Natasha Crane has talked about, written about He Gets Us very many times.
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She's got a lot of good thoughts in her rebuttal to He Gets Us.
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I can't read the entire thing she posted on Acts.
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I thought she pointed out some really good points here because I get a lot of pushback
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It might not be perfect, but we should nitpick it.
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We should just be glad that Christians are even given any kind of platform.
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And so I just want to read you part of what she says.
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So she says, these ads are actually incredibly harmful to the cause of evangelism because
00:43:12.520
the campaign reinforces what culture wants to believe about Jesus while leaving out what
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Culture's wrong ideas about Jesus become more deeply seeded due to a campaign like this.
00:43:23.780
It simply makes it harder for biblically faithful Christians to share about the real Jesus,
00:43:35.680
She also says the ad centers around a question that is problematic in and of itself, which
00:43:47.240
She says that they say that loving others is what He Gets Us says means to be great.
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But the truth is, is that loving others according to scripture is second to loving God.
00:44:01.900
And in order for it to be great, it must be an outflow of our love for God, which He Gets
00:44:08.120
Us really just dismisses or ignores altogether.
00:44:11.800
She also points out that the immigration and LGBTQ references slightly promote a progressive
00:44:20.160
Like they have this historically, theologically inaccurate ad saying that like Jesus was a
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refugee or Jesus was an immigrant and He wasn't.
00:44:32.400
You never see sly implications of conservatives or Christians being the ones who are being
00:44:44.040
And she also mentions Natasha at the end of her post that she believes that the ambiguity
00:44:54.080
And that kind of leads to my big problems with these campaigns.
00:45:03.120
Like I watch them every year, truly wanting to be on board with them, truly feeling like,
00:45:13.780
I'm not looking for someone to like play an ad that's a 60 second sermon from Jonathan
00:45:26.220
I'm not looking for someone necessarily to go up there and articulate the Roman road.
00:45:33.360
I don't think that would be bad, but I'm looking for something that would lead people to the cross.
00:45:39.540
I'm looking for an accurate depiction of Jesus.
00:45:41.920
I am looking for at least the implication that, hey, all of this brokenness and this messed
00:45:48.940
up stuff that you see inside of yourself out in the world, there is redemption from that.
00:45:59.560
You're always trying to measure up, but you're always trying to find happiness.
00:46:03.220
I mean, wasn't that Tom Brady, what he said famously a few years ago, he's got all this
00:46:07.640
stuff in the world that he never feels like it's quite enough, like all of that that you
00:46:24.000
And like, if you just wanted to do that, if you wanted to leave like a cliffhanger, I would
00:46:30.940
But the ambiguity, the vagueness, and I think the outright misrepresentation of who Jesus
00:46:37.960
is, is actually very damaging and could possibly push people further away from Jesus.
00:46:43.880
And again, just reaffirm what the world already believes about Jesus, that he's just like a
00:46:49.980
good guy, that cheer, that cheer leads us, and that he was an activist like us, that
00:46:58.180
he was a renegade, that he was an outcast, that he was a sympathizer, that he was a refugee.
00:47:03.100
It is true that he was some of these things, not all of these things, but he was some of
00:47:07.560
these things, but he is never in any of these ads presented as what he also is, what he very
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importantly is, which is King, Savior, Lord, and God.
00:47:21.120
And I would think that that would be important.
00:47:23.340
If you want to reach people with the gospel, not just tell them like how to be happier or
00:47:27.920
to lead a better life, because that's not why Jesus came.
00:47:31.400
But if you wanted to save their souls, if you wanted to soften their hearts for the gospel,
00:47:35.840
you would think that they would, at the very least, try to depict Jesus accurately.
00:47:41.040
And then the second big thing that I have a problem with is that they choose confusion
00:47:47.200
I think a lot of people, Christian or not, they're watching it and they're like, what's
00:48:00.740
But there's so much vagueness and so much ambiguity that it's not helpful.
00:48:07.420
Is the point that we should love others that look differently than us?
00:48:13.860
But if the ad is that Christianity is true, that Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life,
00:48:20.500
that we are sinners in need of a Savior, then no one got that.
00:48:27.040
If it is just that God loves you and cares for you, which is what a lot of people have
00:48:30.760
argued to me, that that's what it's about, make it about that.
00:48:35.680
Say God loves you and cares for you, not he gets you.
00:48:38.720
It is true that he made us and that he is a high priest that sympathizes with our weaknesses,
00:48:44.900
but that is not the primary focus of who Jesus is.
00:48:53.000
He is not primarily concerned at all, if at all, with us understanding that he gets us.
00:49:00.040
He is primarily concerned with us understanding who he is, who God the Father is, and what
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And we don't get anywhere close to that in the he gets us ads.
00:49:17.100
My thought is that if you have 30 to 60 seconds of airtime and millions of dollars, share the
00:49:26.160
You would never fail by just saying the Word of God.
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And maybe you say, oh, we can't put Bible verses in there.
00:49:36.980
We have to just like hint at it, then hint at it.
00:49:40.040
I didn't see any hinting of the Gospel in any of these ads.
00:49:43.720
What if it was a 60-second depiction of the prodigal son, or a shepherd seeking the lost
00:49:50.340
sheep, or even if you modernized this, but it was like a modern depiction of a parable
00:49:58.680
Like, I would be happier with that because, again, it would seem to me like we are going
00:50:05.100
But the mentality behind this is a mentality that a lot of Christians suffer from, and that
00:50:10.640
is that Jesus and Christians need help with PR, that the reason that Christians aren't
00:50:16.780
liked, the reason that Jesus is misunderstood is because of bad, legalistic, pharisaical
00:50:25.500
Christians who care too much about sin and are just too mean.
00:50:30.740
But the truth is Christianity doesn't have a PR problem.
00:50:34.480
The world has always hated Jesus, and because of that, the world has always hated Christians.
00:50:39.400
Matthew 10, 22 says, and you will be hated by all for my name's sake.
00:50:45.660
John 3, 16 says that God so loved the world, and that was actually, you saw that on a hat
00:50:53.380
But then after that, a few verses later, John 3, 19 says this, the light has come into the
00:50:59.780
world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works are evil.
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We should be as persuasive as we possibly can through our lives, through our words, absolutely.
00:51:20.720
But just reaffirming and validating what nonbelievers already think about this powerless Jesus, I
00:51:30.480
Now, my hope and my prayer is that someone would be led to Christ through this, through
00:51:40.020
We have been entrusted with the gospel, which means we are always going to be imperfect
00:51:48.780
Some of you have told me, like, your non-Christian friend, your lukewarm friend, their interest was
00:51:54.820
They went onto the website, and they read about them, or, you know, they read about He
00:51:59.840
Gets Us, or they chatted with someone, and they heard the real gospel.
00:52:02.720
And I praise God for that, and I pray for that, and I hope that that is successful.
00:52:08.900
But if that is successful, if people hear the gospel and become saved through this, it will
00:52:14.340
be not because of the failings of He Gets Us, the theological shortcomings of He Gets Us,
00:52:20.400
but despite them, and because God is good, and He's going to save who He wants to save,
00:52:26.840
And so I pray that, and coincidentally, that is also my prayer for this new, like, White
00:52:32.900
House faith office that Donald Trump has established and is being spearheaded by heretical
00:52:39.860
So I'll get into some of that in just a second.
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Last week, President Trump announced that he has created a new White House faith office.
00:53:52.120
He appointed pastor, so-called Paula White, to lead this organization.
00:53:57.920
This week, I'm also creating the White House faith office, led by Pastor Paula White, who
00:54:15.080
I will tell their story and how they first met and all of that.
00:54:20.080
But she has been in his life for a very long time.
00:54:23.280
And she has been his faith advisor for a long time.
00:54:27.020
And I posted in 2019, I didn't know that I posted this, but I said, Paula White is a
00:54:32.920
horrifyingly false teacher who peddles the damning prosperity gospel.
00:54:37.100
Mr. President, please hit me up if you'd like some better suggestions.
00:54:42.640
And the only reason I remember this is because I started getting notifications for people
00:54:50.840
Now, I don't expect for Trump to think the same things that we do about Paula White.
00:54:58.700
I think she's been a big supporter of President Trump.
00:55:03.400
And I am sure that he feels like a lot of just a lot of loyalty to her because they've
00:55:14.340
And she's been such a big part of his administrations.
00:55:16.840
But we do need to just be very clear on who she is.
00:55:20.820
Again, this can be one of those things where we are praying for her.
00:55:26.500
We pray for the White House faith office and whatever they're going to accomplish.
00:55:32.820
We can pray that God would use imperfect means and imperfect people to accomplish his will because
00:55:39.740
we already see that he's doing that through President Trump.
00:55:42.800
And so that's my hope and prayer in the White House faith office.
00:55:45.620
I pray that there would be solid Christians in it.
00:55:47.560
And I pray that good, righteous things would be accomplished on behalf of the country,
00:55:55.940
I think we just need to be really clear, according to the standards of God's word,
00:56:00.000
who Paula White is, who her background is, and what kind of leadership we can probably
00:56:06.920
So who is Paula White Cain and how did she get connected with Trump?
00:56:19.360
But health and wealth in general, that means this is like TBJ because it's Joel Osteen,
00:56:24.080
people who make you believe that if you do something for God, then he will do something
00:56:30.120
And if you keep these precepts, then he will reward you with financial compensation, material
00:56:38.460
And there's typically some kind of tie of the charismatic movement into this, the belief
00:56:44.360
that basically you are entitled to, as a Christian, access to perfect health and to financial
00:56:54.000
She says that she received a vision when she was around 18 that she was going to preach
00:57:02.080
She has been married three times from what we understand from reporting at the time.
00:57:08.820
She had an affair with her first husband, with a pastor at the church that they were attending.
00:57:13.680
She ended up getting married to him, and then she divorced him in 2007.
00:57:23.480
He was a member of the band Journey, writer of their iconic song, Don't Stop Believin'.
00:57:29.180
Which is pretty cool, whatever else you think about him.
00:57:32.600
She got into evangelism and televangelism in 2000.
00:57:38.120
So she had already kind of like started her ministry as a co-pastor, I believe with her
00:57:43.640
But then in 2000, she was invited by prosperity preacher T.D.
00:57:47.800
Jakes to preach at one of the conferences, and however you went viral back in 2000, that's
00:57:57.620
She is very charismatic in just like the personality sense, and she's a very good, powerful speaker.
00:58:04.540
So I understand her popularity from that perspective.
00:58:12.980
She reportedly sent him a black convertible Bentley for his 50th birthday in 2007.
00:58:19.400
She was also like, we won't get into all of this, but she made a lot of money as like
00:58:27.660
She made a lot of money through her televangelism, through the TV shows that she had.
00:58:36.840
With BET where she made a lot of money from that.
00:58:38.920
So I guess that's how she got the money to reportedly send T.D.
00:58:46.240
Jakes, because this tells us who Paula White is.
00:58:49.100
Jakes, again, is apparently her spiritual father.
00:58:51.600
He is a popular megachurch pastor in Dallas, Texas.
00:58:54.740
I think that you've probably heard his name floating around with some rappers.
00:58:59.460
I'll leave it there because we don't know how much is actually true.
00:59:04.480
But there's a lot about the kind of life that he has lived out there.
00:59:11.360
So he has said, for example, prosperity is a mindset.
00:59:15.460
Whatever you say to yourself is what will manifest.
00:59:23.120
God already has a plan and a purpose for your life, but it is up to you to believe in his plans.
00:59:29.340
He also has said, if you obey God, you will never be broke another day in your life, which, of course, is not necessarily true.
00:59:39.820
I mean, if you just look at the lives of the apostles, if you think about all of the Christians that exist around the world in Yemen, in China, in North Korea, they don't have money.
00:59:51.500
Are they just not believing in God for their financial wealth?
00:59:54.660
Is that why they haven't gotten a promotion at the slave factory where they're working in those countries?
01:00:03.640
In fact, we are promised by Jesus that in this world, you will have trouble.
01:00:10.520
Not take heart, but if you have enough faith, I will give you lots of money.
01:00:13.880
So it's not only a very, like, America-centric gospel that someone like T.D. Jakes is preaching.
01:00:23.580
It is not for people who want to take up their cross and follow Christ.
01:00:31.300
And there are principles that you can follow that I do think lend themselves to success and financial responsibility and prosperity.
01:00:42.000
I think the Proverbs really give us kind of like a road map to that in some ways.
01:00:49.460
We are not promised health and wealth in this life because we live in this broken world.
01:00:55.020
And we can look forward to perfect peace and perfection in all ways and future glory, not here in this life.
01:01:01.540
So in the early 2000s, when she was preaching on TV, Trump saw her preaching on television, called her out of the blue, says, you have the it factor.
01:01:14.280
She has served as a personal spiritual advisor to Trump.
01:01:17.340
Even, you know, back in 2011, when he was contemplating running as president, like she was a part of that, praying for him, advising him.
01:01:28.760
She has had some financial investigation, some financial sketchiness over the years, according to the Gospel Coalition.
01:01:37.840
However, in 2016, despite the fact that she used her various ministries and her church to reportedly rake in millions of dollars,
01:01:48.580
and despite some of the sermons that she has given about the guarantee of financial prosperity,
01:01:54.600
she claims that she is not a prosperity preacher.
01:01:59.440
Christianity, the Christian Post said, you've been described as a gospel preacher.
01:02:09.920
I've been accused of believing the prosperity gospel.
01:02:14.820
She said, I am always talking about overcoming your struggles and the lessons God teaches us in valleys he allows us to enter.
01:02:22.740
However, if you look just on her website, just like right now, you can see key doctrines of the heretical prosperity gospel.
01:02:31.580
And it's this idea that Christians give in order to gain material payback or compensation from God.
01:02:38.980
So, for example, on her website, 2025 is a year of fruitfulness, blessing, and abundance for you.
01:02:46.860
Are you ready to go to the next level in your finances?
01:02:49.860
Are you ready to be able to do the next level ministry?
01:02:52.280
Do you have next level dreams that require financial favor and acceleration?
01:02:56.900
When we honor God with our first fruits, we will unlock the things for the remainder of the year.
01:03:03.320
And in faith, 2025 will be a year of fruitfulness, blessing, and abundance for you.
01:03:07.620
I declare fruitfulness, abundance, and favor over you right now.
01:03:13.200
And here, by the way, here are your first fruits.
01:03:28.980
When we honor God with our first fruits, he will unlock everything for the remainder of the year.
01:03:33.440
Your 2024 will be a year of God's power and authority.
01:03:40.640
He doesn't promise financial compensation for our generosity.
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In fact, it's not really generosity at all when we do it to receive something in return.
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Don't give under compulsion, but be a cheerful giver.
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And when you go back a couple verses, you do see this idea of sowing and reaping,
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But he's not talking about paying a millionaire your hard-earned money.
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He is talking about generosity to the church, taking care of persecuted Christians,
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Okay, let's go through some examples of the false teaching.
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There is one from 2023 where she tells the Jerusalem Post that we should not be evangelizing to Jews.
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I do not want to convert Jews or send them to live in Israel for the rapture.
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There are many people probably considered dispensationalists who believe that you should not evangelize to Jewish people.
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For example, when we read Romans 9, 2-5, Paul says,
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He has great sorrow and unceasing anguish in his heart, for he wishes that he could cut himself off from Christ for the sake of his brothers.
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They are Israelites, and to them belong all of these things, the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law.
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Whether you are a Jew or a Gentile, the only way, the only truth, the only life is through Jesus Christ.
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Jesus himself makes that very clear in John 14, 6.
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This idea that you pay some money, and then you'll get all of this stuff back.
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Right now, I want you, and there's someone that God is speaking to, to click on that donation button by minimizing the screen.
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And when you do to sow $1,144, it's not often I ask very specifically.
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But God has instructed me, and I want you to hear, this isn't for everyone, but this is for someone.
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When you sow that $1,144 based on John 11, verse 44, I believe for resurrection life.
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I mean, that's just, I mean, I'm sorry, it's just evil.
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It's just evil to solicit donations and to say that God is going to do something if someone continues to pay her money.
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I truly believe that that is wicked, that there will be punishment for that.
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Last bit is her connection to the new apostolic, let's see, it's NAR, new apostolic reformation, and a couple other things.
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Okay, so Paula stepped down as the pastor of her church.
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And now she is the apostolic overseer of her church.
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And she apparently is kind of a part of this new apostolic reformation, which is this movement that kind of emphasizes experience over scripture, mysticism over doctrine, modern-day apostles over the plain text of the Bible.
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That's kind of what I'm gathering she is promoting and pushing, which is why I would probably put her in this NAR camp.
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According to the new apostolic thinking, mankind lost its dominion over the earth as part of the fall of Adam.
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And so it's our job to try to get it back through all of these different means, declaring, manifesting, all of that.
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And, like, financial success plays a role in that.
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Following the 2020 election and Biden's apparent victory over Trump, Paula White preached a sermon in which she called for victory and for angelic reinforcement from Africa and South America to intervene in the spiritual battle for the election.
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And also, she claims that her spirit ascended to heaven where God gave her a distinct mantle.
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My spirit went up and I literally went to the throne room of God.
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And as God began, he put a mantle on me, and it was a very distinct mantle.
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I think he said that there was a mantle that was coming upon me, that there was a new mantle coming upon me.
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And there was a mantle, and I saw it very distinctly.
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The color was like a goldish, but it was a yellowish goldish, a little bit different than your scarf,
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And then I saw the earth for a moment, and he brought me back, and he put me in certain places,
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one being the White House, one being certain continents.
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I don't know, that description of the goldish, the yellowish goldish, the goldish, the goldish yellowish scarf.
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During that time, the Holy Spirit gave me an answer.
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It's as if Jesus Christ has just been crucified, buried, and rose again.
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Okay, so a lot of people distort Jesus turning over the tables in the temple.
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And they say, you know, that's a reason to get mad about anything or to show outrage about anything.
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He said that you have made my house a den of robbers.
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She says, when we're at the right place at the right time, God gives us the ability to see into our future.
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I don't have time to play all of these clips because we've already gone over so long.
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She also has some like strange sexual moments from stage with her husband.
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There is one sermon that she gave a few years ago with her now husband where she is anointing his feet.
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And she's telling the story of the woman of the night anointing Jesus' feet with oil.
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And she's like very weirdly, strangely, sensually kissing her husband's feet as she is trying to tell that story.
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Her husband is suggesting that on stage at church to Christians that men and women should watch porn together.
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Ladies, if you don't know what he likes, you know, figure it out.
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If he likes to watch porn, watch porn with him.
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Later, she kind of goes on to correct him and say, oh, we're not advocating for that.
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So as far as I know, she hasn't repented of that.
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Maybe that's not something she would say anymore.
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I'm much, I mean, yes, I'm concerned about like the personal choices that she has made in her life seemingly unrepentantly when we're talking about adultery and divorce, but also just her teaching.
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And my heart really breaks for people who have been duped by the prosperity gospel, who have given their hard-earned dollars to people who are just trying to line their pockets and who are preying upon people's vulnerability, whether it's their sickness, whether it's their poverty, or whether it is their like gullibility to get rich.
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And, I mean, truly, there is punishment for that.
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And we actually read in the book of James that teachers are actually judged more harshly than everyone else.
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And so I want Paula White to repent and become a Christian.
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Because if she still believes this, then she doesn't believe in the real Jesus.
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And, again, I want this White House office of faith to be successful.
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I want it to carry the cause of true Christianity.
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And I know it's probably all different kinds of faith, and I'm not sure what those initiatives might look like.
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And I know that God can use imperfect people to bring them to himself, and I pray for that.
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And I can celebrate Trump's many, many, many victories that he has accomplished just over the past couple weeks.
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I can praise God for that and still be really clear that this person in leadership is not a good thing.