Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1139 ｜ Wheaton Bows to the Mob, Kanye Hails Hitler & Rick Warren Turns Lukewarm

00:00:00.760 Wheaton College has backed down after congratulating an alumnus who just joined the Trump administration.

00:00:09.460 What is really going on behind their kowtowing to progressive activists?

00:00:14.260 Also, what is going on with Kanye West?

00:00:17.280 There is clearly a spiritual battle at play there.

00:00:19.720 We're going to analyze it and respond to an absolutely absurd post by Pastor Rick Warren.

00:00:28.000 We've got all of that and more on today's episode of Relatable.

00:00:40.480 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable.

00:00:42.700 Happy Wednesday.

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00:03:35.340 All right.

00:03:35.780 A couple quick updates.

00:03:37.700 Tulsi Gabbard has been confirmed.

00:03:40.400 This is exciting.

00:03:42.540 This is something that I think a lot of people weren't sure was going to happen because she's been a lifelong Democrat.

00:03:48.560 And a lot of Republicans had understandable questions about her positions on foreign policy, but she has been confirmed.

00:03:56.120 And then right now, as we are recording, RFK Jr. is he is awaiting his confirmation.

00:04:03.420 They are voting on him right now.

00:04:04.720 That's correct, Bree.

00:04:06.700 And do we know when we'll have that news?

00:04:09.920 Sometime pretty soon, probably.

00:04:12.580 Probably pretty soon.

00:04:14.020 Yeah.

00:04:14.300 But we just don't know.

00:04:15.640 Yeah.

00:04:15.780 We could go on for a minute.

00:04:17.100 Okay, so that means Republican legislators are really feeling the heat from the Trump administration, which they should.

00:04:23.840 That's just how these things go to make sure that they confirm all of Trump's picks.

00:04:28.460 Trump was given a mandate.

00:04:29.620 He was voted for.

00:04:30.400 The American people said, hey, we trust you to be able to take our country in a better direction.

00:04:34.700 We trust you to be able to pick the right people to go in the right positions.

00:04:37.460 And so Trump has made his picks.

00:04:38.820 And so they are also the these legislators are feeling the heat from the American people to make sure that they are confirming the people that Trump has put in place.

00:04:47.580 And let's pray for their success.

00:04:48.980 As we've talked about, we've got questions about what RFK thinks about abortion.

00:04:54.560 He answered some of those questions in his hearing.

00:04:57.320 Tulsi Gabbard, too.

00:04:58.200 But her position isn't really going to have anything to do with abortion policy. 1.00

00:05:01.960 But let's pray for their success.

00:05:03.920 Let's pray that these people would come to know the Lord.

00:05:07.260 As far as I know, RFK and Tulsi are not Christians, and I am heartened by how many solid Christians are in the Trump administration.

00:05:17.560 But we want even more because they can be correct politically, correct culturally.

00:05:23.080 They can make good policy decisions, but we want them to have the wisdom that starts with the fear of the Lord.

00:05:29.820 So let's certainly pray for that and pray for their success.

00:05:33.000 One super solid Christian that I am so excited is a part of the Trump administration is Russ Vogt.

00:05:40.200 So Russ has just been confirmed as the director of the Office of Management and Budget, and he was congratulated by his alma mater, Wheaton College, after he was confirmed for this position.

00:05:59.140 But Wheaton College, after they posted a public congratulations, they actually took it down because a lot of people were upset.

00:06:08.920 How dare a college celebrate the confirmation of an alumnus that is working for the evil Trump administration?

00:06:17.700 Really, that happened.

00:06:18.580 And then Wheaton basically posted an apology.

00:06:21.220 So I'll get into the details of that.

00:06:22.840 Let me back up a little bit and just tell you about who Russ Vogt is.

00:06:26.380 So he graduated from Wheaton, then he went to George Washington Law School.

00:06:30.840 He served as Trump's director of the Office of Management and Budget during his first term.

00:06:35.280 The Senate confirmed his nomination to the same position on February 6th, just a few days ago for Trump's second term, after an overnight session in which Senate Democrats stonewalled his nomination.

00:06:47.420 They really did not want him to take the same position because now apparently he is uniquely dangerous because he was a part of Project 2025 and the evil Heritage Foundation.

00:06:58.220 He previously served as the vice president of Heritage Action for America, the lobbying arm of the Heritage Foundation before joining the Trump administration.

00:07:09.200 So he wrote Chapter 2 in Project 2025, Executive Office of the President of the United States in the Heritage Foundation's Project 2025.

00:07:19.560 You know, it's funny we don't hear that much about Project 2025 anymore.

00:07:23.840 I mean, that's all Democrats talked about for months.

00:07:25.980 They said that this is going to be the demise of America, that Trump is going to come into your home and take your birth control and take off your shoes,

00:07:34.540 put you in the kitchen and tell you to make him a sandwich.

00:07:39.360 That's what we heard and that you were going to have to exchange your blazer for red robes.

00:07:45.320 That's what we heard was going to happen because of Project 2025.

00:07:49.160 And we never hear about Project 2025 anymore.

00:07:51.860 Isn't that crazy?

00:07:53.180 Isn't that interesting?

00:07:55.080 So in Russ Vogt's chapter, Executive Office of the President of the United States,

00:07:59.580 in the section about the Office of Management and Budget, he writes,

00:08:03.900 the director must view his job as the best, most comprehensive approximation of the president's mind as it pertains to the policy agenda,

00:08:11.440 while always being ready with actual options to affect that agenda within existing legal authorities and resources.

00:08:19.680 His role in Project 2025 drew harsh criticism from Senate Democrats, including Chuck Schumer,

00:08:26.600 who called vote Trump's most radical nominee with the most extreme agenda.

00:08:33.940 Really?

00:08:34.580 Did what I just described to you, did that sound extreme,

00:08:37.800 that he just wants to carry out the agenda of the person who appointed him to the position?

00:08:44.760 In a statement, Chuck Schumer said this,

00:08:47.620 Votes' confirmation would be a disaster for working families.

00:08:51.020 Wait, was it a disaster for working families the first time he served in it?

00:08:54.940 And a godsend to billionaires who don't pay their fair share in taxes.

00:08:59.460 And also that Russ Vogt is Project 2025 incarnate.

00:09:04.880 Okay, so he is the embodiment of Project 2025.

00:09:10.220 Schumer said that by voting to confirm vote,

00:09:13.000 the Senate is voting to implement Project 2025.

00:09:16.080 So it's actually going to be Russ who comes to your house and takes your birth control.

00:09:21.260 And I think he's the one who is delivering the red robes to every eligible maiden in the land. 0.99

00:09:28.860 And I think that there's a website where you can enter your size

00:09:33.120 to make sure that they show up to your house with the right size red robe. 0.89

00:09:37.440 I think that's actually going to be under Votes' jurisdiction.

00:09:40.520 So I just wanted to clear that up.

00:09:42.120 He also said that Russ Vogt's fingerprints were all over this past week's disaster,

00:09:48.840 referring to the Doge freeze of federal programs and their investigation of the Treasury payment system.

00:09:56.160 Oh, no.

00:09:57.620 Russ Vogt is making sure that the government is spending taxpayer dollars

00:10:02.560 in a way that is efficient, effective, and transparent.

00:10:05.100 Oh, no.

00:10:06.400 What other disaster is he going to get himself into?

00:10:10.580 Oh, no.

00:10:11.340 I don't want to know where my taxpayer dollars are going.

00:10:13.480 I definitely want them to continue to fund transgender musicals in Colombia.

00:10:20.320 That's exactly what I pay taxes for.

00:10:22.100 That's why I have a job.

00:10:23.840 I have a job.

00:10:24.740 I have this podcast.

00:10:25.600 So I can pay taxes for USAID to fund Serbian DEI workplace programs.

00:10:35.040 That's the only reason any of us on this team get up in the morning,

00:10:38.320 knowing that our federal government is sending our hard-earned tax dollars

00:10:43.540 to very necessary abortion education seminars in Sri Lanka.

00:10:53.700 Um, so if Russ Vogt gets in the way of that, I will be just very upset.

00:11:00.880 What is even the point of any of this?

00:11:03.020 Um, okay.

00:11:04.700 So that could be why Wheaton College decided that maybe we shouldn't publicly congratulate him.

00:11:11.140 I guess all of this, all of this controversy and Chuck Schumer's analysis

00:11:15.400 is why Wheaton College, where missionary Jim Elliott went to school,

00:11:22.240 what used to be a preeminent Christian institution,

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00:12:48.820 Okay, so here's what Wheaton College originally posted.

00:12:56.560 This was February 7th.

00:12:58.780 Wheaton College congratulates and praise for 1998 graduate Russell Vogt regarding his senatorial

00:13:05.440 confirmation to serve as the White House director of the Office of Management and Budget.

00:13:12.300 Well, they posted this on Facebook, and Facebook is where all the angry people come out, and they

00:13:20.160 say, I want to make my voice heard.

00:13:23.260 So these comments from alumni included statements like this.

00:13:28.040 The work that he is doing negatively and directly impacts countless other Wheaton alum who are seeking

00:13:34.300 to be the hands and feet of Jesus in this country and around the rest of the world.

00:13:38.980 Examples, citation, please.

00:13:41.300 Can I get some specifics?

00:13:42.900 Again, like, are we talking about Colombian, like, transgender dancing troops?

00:13:48.780 Like, is that what you're talking about when you're talking about, like, the funding of the federal

00:13:54.440 government to organizations around the world?

00:13:57.840 I mean, maybe they're talking about world relief.

00:13:59.560 Maybe they're talking about other Christian organizations who are providing humanitarian

00:14:03.640 aid.

00:14:04.440 But as we talked about last week, even Christian organizations or professing Christian organizations

00:14:10.060 like world relief are actually supporting distributing abortifacient birth control pills to poor countries

00:14:17.480 and even supporting, it seems like, abortion procedures in these poor countries.

00:14:23.500 And so, again, I think it's actually a very righteous position for those in charge.

00:14:29.560 Of our budget in charge of seeing where our tax dollars go to say, you know what, we need

00:14:33.680 to just at least do an audit.

00:14:35.340 We need to take a look at this and to make sure that we are advancing American interests.

00:14:39.560 And we want a Christian in that position because, again, you want Christians to have that discernment.

00:14:44.540 You balance compassion with effective, logical, practical policy that serves the interest of the

00:14:55.080 people that you are serving.

00:14:57.420 According to Religion News Service, another commenter said there are Wheaton alumni out

00:15:03.600 there who really do follow Jesus' teaching in the gospel.

00:15:06.520 So I guess that Russ Vogt doesn't because he was a part of Project 2025 and he's serving

00:15:11.000 the Trump administration.

00:15:12.400 So he doesn't really follow Jesus' teaching in the gospel.

00:15:15.800 But they aren't always the ones who are powerful.

00:15:19.140 And so it's incredibly frustrating to see those who, I think, don't necessarily embody the

00:15:23.960 gospel taking over in the Trump administration.

00:15:26.220 Again, citation, what are you talking about?

00:15:28.880 Give me some statistics.

00:15:30.580 How does Russ vote in his position?

00:15:32.700 How does he not embody the gospel?

00:15:35.040 Like, how is he not also glorifying God?

00:15:37.720 Like, these people seem to be completely averse to Christians being in positions of influence

00:15:42.900 and power.

00:15:43.640 If you believe in God, you believe that God is love.

00:15:47.080 You believe that his ways are better.

00:15:49.640 Don't you want people who believe those things also to be in charge of making our policy?

00:15:56.000 It's so strange when I hear these accusations of like, oh, if you want Christians in power,

00:16:00.420 then you're some scary Christian nationalist and you just want empire. 0.68

00:16:05.520 And you have confused like the lowly Jesus for this, like, I don't know, powerful emperor,

00:16:12.220 whatever propaganda they say.

00:16:14.440 Again, it just comes down to, like, who do you think has a better chance of making compassionate

00:16:23.360 and good and wise policy?

00:16:25.800 The person who believes in the God who created the world?

00:16:29.380 The person who follows Jesus?

00:16:31.960 The person who believes in a biblical ethic?

00:16:34.540 Or the person who is anti-God?

00:16:37.060 The person who is anti-Bible?

00:16:38.900 Do you think that person is going to have a good understanding of the sanctity of life

00:16:43.880 and the proper role of the government and family?

00:16:46.920 Like, if you care about your neighbor, don't you want people in charge who believe in the

00:16:52.240 God whose ways are better and higher than ours?

00:16:55.620 Like, do you believe that the Bible is good or not?

00:16:57.900 Do you believe that God's ways are better or not?

00:16:59.860 Do you believe in absolute truth?

00:17:01.200 Do you believe in objective morality?

00:17:03.080 As a Christian, you should believe those things.

00:17:04.960 And shouldn't you want people who have the most influence over our policy to also believe

00:17:09.600 those things?

00:17:09.960 So to me, it's not about power.

00:17:11.640 It's about loving my neighbor.

00:17:14.060 And because politics affects policy and policy affects people and people matter, I want the

00:17:19.100 people involved in politics and in charge of policy to understand that people matter,

00:17:23.960 not just because they have some vague spiritual sense of people having significance, but because

00:17:33.720 they understand someone's worth comes from being made in the image of God.

00:17:38.440 Once we have that shared foundation, I think we're in a much better position to make good

00:17:42.500 quality or a good policy that affects people's lives for the better and raises their quality

00:17:48.420 of life.

00:17:48.840 So it's very strange when Christians to me are like, no, Christians should never be in

00:17:52.480 a position of influence or power or seek that at all.

00:17:56.680 It's very odd.

00:17:57.660 It makes me think you don't really love your neighbor.

00:18:00.700 By Saturday morning, after they posted this, after Wheaton posted this, the post was deleted

00:18:05.320 and a second post was made with the comments disabled.

00:18:09.380 On Friday, Wheaton College posted a congratulations and a call to prayer for an alumnus who received

00:18:14.760 confirmation to a White House post.

00:18:16.920 The recognition and prayer is something we would typically do for any graduate who reached

00:18:20.660 that level of government.

00:18:22.060 However, the political situation surrounding the appointment led to a significant concern

00:18:27.660 expressed online.

00:18:29.320 It was not our intention to embroil the college in a political discussion or dispute.

00:18:35.040 Our institutional and theological commitments are clear that the college as a non-profit

00:18:39.660 institution does not make political endorsements.

00:18:43.260 Wheaton College's focus is on Christ and his kingdom.

00:18:48.100 Okay, so they might say that this is not an apology, and they actually do say that, as we'll

00:18:52.940 get into, that this was an apology.

00:18:54.820 They didn't say that they were sorry, that's true, but their original post was also not

00:18:59.340 an endorsement.

00:19:00.540 They said nothing about politics.

00:19:02.040 They didn't say anything about Trump.

00:19:03.920 They didn't say, hey, we really like your policies, guy.

00:19:07.000 Get after it.

00:19:07.960 Loved Project 2025.

00:19:09.620 They never said that.

00:19:10.780 They said, this is what he has been appointed to, and we're praying for him, and congratulations.

00:19:15.240 They would have done the same thing if this had been the Biden administration or the

00:19:19.180 Kamala Harris administration, and they probably would have gotten pushback for it. 1.00

00:19:23.540 But I think if they would have congratulated someone who was in the Kamala Harris administration,

00:19:28.660 that there would have been people saying, why would you congratulate this person?

00:19:31.800 Which I actually think they have more of a grounding to criticize Wheaton for that, because

00:19:38.420 Wheaton claims to be a Christian college, and Kamala Harris's baby murdering and gender 0.99

00:19:44.180 deception agenda is very blatantly black and white, anti-Bible.

00:19:49.240 However, I would understand if Wheaton also congratulated a person who got to that position

00:19:54.200 of government.

00:19:55.840 The fact that they deleted that post, that simply said congratulations, that simply said,

00:20:02.360 hey, please pray for this person.

00:20:04.660 We're called to pray for our leaders.

00:20:06.720 Let's pray for him, that God would use him to bring glory to himself.

00:20:10.060 I'm kind of adding on to that.

00:20:11.160 They just said, pray for him.

00:20:12.680 The fact that they deleted that when people got upset, that amounts to an apology.

00:20:19.240 A Wheaton College spokesperson later added that deleting the post was not an apology

00:20:22.920 for their initial post, but it was for Mr. Vogt's own protection.

00:20:28.480 I think he's fine.

00:20:29.680 Like, what do you mean, own protection?

00:20:33.260 What are these people going to do who are commenting on Facebook?

00:20:36.380 A Wheaton College spokesperson told Religion News Service that this was, quote, in no way

00:20:42.880 an apology for having expressed congratulations or for suggesting prayers for our alumnus.

00:20:48.760 The social media post led to more than 1,000 hostile comments, primarily incendiary, on Christian

00:20:53.980 comments about Mr. Vogt in just a few hours.

00:20:56.340 It was not our intention to embroil the college or Mr. Vogt in a political discussion or dispute.

00:21:02.220 Thus, we removed the post.

00:21:03.620 Just, okay, let's give them the benefit of the doubt.

00:21:06.880 Let's take them at their word.

00:21:08.240 Maybe they really thought, oh, we don't want him to see this.

00:21:11.820 We don't want his family to see this.

00:21:13.260 These are really awful comments, and we just want, you know, we don't want that.

00:21:20.420 We don't want that for him.

00:21:21.780 We want to honor him or whatever.

00:21:23.900 Still, just from a PR perspective, it looks really bad.

00:21:27.220 It looks really dishonest.

00:21:28.680 Like, I wish, not that I am a publicist, but sometimes I just wish that I could give PR

00:21:35.560 advice to all these different institutions.

00:21:38.120 Like, if you really don't regret it, then repost it and disable the comments.

00:21:44.260 Repost it.

00:21:45.040 You need to double down on it.

00:21:46.460 But you've rewarded all of these people lashing out at the request to pray for an alumnus who

00:21:54.640 is working in the Trump administration.

00:21:56.120 I don't think Russ Vogt was concerned about being, quote, unquote, protected.

00:22:01.080 He, quote, tweeted or, quote, posted a post about Wheaton College's explanation, if you

00:22:07.940 don't want to call it an apology, and he just said, in all caps, with an exclamation mark,

00:22:12.980 SAD.

00:22:14.360 SAD.

00:22:15.420 And it is sad.

00:22:16.980 Hillsdale College, that's the conservative Christian college, we have read advertisements

00:22:22.760 for them before.

00:22:23.680 They're awesome.

00:22:24.260 They had also congratulated Russ Vogt.

00:22:27.900 They said congratulations to Russ Vogt, the once and current OMB director on a Senate

00:22:32.360 confirmation.

00:22:33.700 Then when all of this blew up on X about Wheaton College, with a lot of Christians calling

00:22:38.720 them out, Hillsdale said, trigger warning, we will not be deleting our earlier post congratulating

00:22:44.900 Russ Vogt.

00:22:46.660 And of course, they shouldn't.

00:22:48.300 Now, a lot of this is really not surprising because we've seen a leftward drift in Wheaton

00:22:55.840 for a long time.

00:22:57.200 I do believe that this is coming from a place of cowardice.

00:23:01.060 I said on X that they are the perfect embodiment of what I call the mushy middle.

00:23:07.920 And that might even be generous.

00:23:10.380 They have chosen nuance and winsomeness over clarity and courage.

00:23:18.600 And because of that, they have compromised.

00:23:21.860 When you're in that position of believing that the most virtuous kind of Christian that 1.00

00:23:29.740 you can be is one that is well-liked by the world and that is accepted by secular progressives,

00:23:35.640 you are always going to be susceptible to cowardice and compromise.

00:23:39.700 You are always going to give in to the loudest bullies.

00:23:44.720 And that's exactly what they did.

00:23:46.780 A horrible, horrible example from the college that educated one of the most courageous and

00:23:53.540 influential missionaries that's ever lived, Jim Elliott.

00:23:57.040 And we have more to say on that in a second.

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00:25:31.280 Okay, so they didn't make any formal political endorsements, Wheaton College, in the 2024

00:25:37.400 election, but they did host a political event with anti-Trump speakers, Curtis Chang and

00:25:44.540 Tim Alberta.

00:25:45.660 They are extremely, they are extremely left-wing and progressive and anti-Trump, and they are

00:25:55.480 a part of this group of people, kind of like Russell Moore and David French, who pretend to be

00:26:05.600 somewhere in the middle and pretend to be nuanced and pretend to transcend politics and transcend

00:26:11.240 partisanship, but really, and you've probably heard this phrase before, they punch right and

00:26:17.360 tickle left. 0.99

00:26:17.940 They might sometimes slightly, softly criticize progressivism, but really, they're going after

00:26:24.400 Trumpism and MAGA and the so-called Christian nationalism on the right that they think is

00:26:30.760 much more dangerous, they would say, to Christianity and the country than the baby murder and the

00:26:38.340 gender deception, the genital mutilation, and the socialistic economic policies of the left.

00:26:44.640 Really, they start with politics, and they try to fit their theology into their politics, not

00:26:52.080 the other way around, no matter how much they tell you, that they are abiding by

00:26:55.800 biblical principles, and they're just allowing that to influence their politics.

00:27:00.880 That's not true.

00:27:02.100 It is 100% the other way around, and these institutions exist to make Christians feel 1.00

00:27:08.620 bad for voting a Republican and feel that the more and more compassionate thing to do is to vote

00:27:13.620 Democrat, and they won't get into the differences in policy when it comes to things like

00:27:19.320 abortion, they will just focus on how bad Trump is, and then they will go back to this lazy

00:27:24.520 assertion that we've already refuted today, and that is, well, Christians shouldn't even 1.00

00:27:29.360 care about having power.

00:27:31.180 Apparently, we're all supposed to have anti-Christian progressive secularists in power.

00:27:35.780 That's apparently the Christian way.

00:27:39.040 And so Wheaton hosted this event.

00:27:41.520 It was hosted on Wheaton's campus last September alongside the after party.

00:27:45.140 That's, we've talked about that with Megan Basham.

00:27:47.840 You can go listen to our episode that we did on that a few months ago.

00:27:51.680 It's the political Bible study program created by Curtis Chang and Russell Moore and David French.

00:27:57.960 They say that their goal is to reframe Christian political thinking, aka don't vote Republican

00:28:03.440 anymore.

00:28:04.000 It's really not more complicated than that.

00:28:08.320 So this Curtis Chang person who hosted this event at Wheaton College, he said that Trump's

00:28:16.820 victory is a disaster, a disaster for the country.

00:28:21.080 Here's that one.

00:28:22.060 I mean, this election, I think, was a disaster for our country, but it did wonders for my to-do

00:28:25.420 list.

00:28:27.320 I just plowed through it as a matter of once.

00:28:29.700 Then around when I saw what was happening, I felt a surge of anger.

00:28:33.360 And then I felt like a surge.

00:28:35.100 I was like, what's behind that anger?

00:28:36.340 I was just wanting to blame people for this outcome.

00:28:39.840 And then I was like, oh, I'm actually feeling like anguish.

00:28:42.340 I'm feeling sad.

00:28:44.180 Yeah.

00:28:44.820 So this was the election event that Wheaton College chose to host.

00:28:50.020 As far as I know, they didn't also choose to host, I don't know, like a turning point

00:28:54.640 event or a conservative event.

00:28:57.640 Because remember, the after party is not nonpartisan.

00:29:00.820 And if your church hosted the after party or used their curriculum, then I would say that

00:29:07.520 you were probably at the wrong church. 0.98

00:29:09.040 Because either your pastor is completely ignorant, like not able to discern the true philosophy 0.99

00:29:15.380 or worldview behind curriculum that he has given his congregants, which would make him 0.99

00:29:19.560 an irresponsible shepherd.

00:29:21.720 Or he is just openly progressive and is trying to shame his congregants out of being conservative.

00:29:27.520 And I would definitely talk to a pastor like that.

00:29:30.940 You can try to give him the benefit of the doubt.

00:29:32.660 But I would ask him specifically, what policies, what conservative policies and ideas do you

00:29:38.160 disagree with?

00:29:38.860 And how do you back that up biblically?

00:29:41.560 Like whenever I have people that, you know, disagree with me or they just say, oh, Christians

00:29:48.080 shouldn't talk about that stuff.

00:29:49.160 I'm like, okay, can you tell me what specifically you disagree with me on as a Christian and

00:29:55.220 why?

00:29:56.360 I think it's really illuminating to get into those conversations.

00:30:00.320 Jim Elliott has a plaque at Wheaton College, as he should.

00:30:05.000 Again, he went to Wheaton College.

00:30:07.020 And you guys probably already know who Jim Elliott is.

00:30:12.040 But he was the missionary who evangelized in the jungles of Ecuador, and he was killed by

00:30:21.240 the Aqua Indians that he was evangelizing to.

00:30:27.080 And he wrote so much before his death.

00:30:32.020 And obviously, Elizabeth Elliott, his wife, had a very long career of speaking and writing

00:30:37.720 on biblical issues.

00:30:38.720 You guys know how much I love and admire Elizabeth Elliott, but Jim Elliott really just embodied

00:30:45.360 the boldness and the courage that Christians are called to.

00:30:48.460 And in 2021, Wheaton removed a plaque on their campus honoring alum Jim Elliott and replaced

00:30:57.360 it with new wording because the old plaque that had been there for years had used the phrase

00:31:03.860 savage Indians. 0.96

00:31:06.720 Okay, so that's the old sign. 0.61

00:31:08.560 It said he was killed by savage Indians, which is true. 1.00

00:31:12.780 So originally dedicated in 1957, the plaque was meant to honor the memory of Jim Elliott,

00:31:18.240 Ed McNully, and Nate Saint, as well as Roger Yauderin and Pete Fleming, who were all speared

00:31:24.400 to death by the Wawrani tribesmen. 0.94

00:31:28.120 Sorry, I think I said something different earlier.

00:31:29.960 In 1956, the old plaque said they chose the jungles of Ecuador inhabited by the Aca Indians for generations.

00:31:37.440 All strangers were killed by these savage Indians. 1.00

00:31:40.240 After many days of patient preparation and devout prayer, the missionaries made the first friendly

00:31:43.700 contact known to history with the Acas.

00:31:46.560 The college said this language in a statement.

00:31:49.900 The college said that this language is now seen as offensive by students, faculty, and staff.

00:31:54.520 So someone went over to that.

00:31:56.540 And they looked at that plaque.

00:31:58.040 And instead of thinking, wow, someone truly laid down their life to share the gospel with

00:32:03.480 these people.

00:32:04.160 That's incredible.

00:32:04.860 I can't believe that I get to, like, share an alma mater with this person.

00:32:09.840 They said, does that say Indians?

00:32:12.420 I can't believe that says Indians.

00:32:14.160 That's the point that they took from that.

00:32:15.760 And they went and they went to an office and they said, take this down.

00:32:20.280 This is offensive to me.

00:32:22.000 It's not offensive that they murdered Jim Elliott by sparing him to death.

00:32:26.100 It's offensive that they were called savage Indians.

00:32:29.500 So the statement by Wheaton said, specifically, the word savage is now recognized.

00:32:35.360 And remember, this is like in the turmoil of 2020, 2021, that they're kowtowing in this

00:32:40.960 way.

00:32:41.260 The word savage is now recognized as being inherently pejorative and having been often

00:32:46.700 used historically to dehumanize and mistreat native peoples around the world.

00:32:50.300 Well, they literally murdered him with a spear.

00:32:53.860 I don't know.

00:32:54.780 I mean, that's pretty savage.

00:32:56.040 Wheaton explained that the reworded plaque will honor the martyred missionaries while

00:33:00.140 also respecting the warrainy people with whom they share the gospel of the love of Christ.

00:33:05.840 The phrase, savage Indians was replaced with indigenous peoples.

00:33:11.740 The plaque will now read in part, known for their violence to encroaching outsiders and 0.99

00:33:16.760 for internal cycles of vengeance killing.

00:33:19.240 They were among the most feared indigenous peoples in South America at the time.

00:33:24.060 Look, I think if that had been the original wording, that would have been fine.

00:33:28.640 My problem is kowtowing to the progressive bullies to change something that didn't really

00:33:33.900 need to be changed.

00:33:35.140 It didn't help anything.

00:33:36.840 It didn't make things more clear.

00:33:39.260 I think that it was fine that the language that they had before, I think it was completely

00:33:44.020 unnecessary to get caught up in the cries of these activists who really have no influence

00:33:51.880 or grounding in the first place.

00:33:54.280 We can also see some other progressive values from Wheaton.

00:33:57.140 If you look at LGBTQ issues in 2014, Wheaton hired a, quote, gay Christian blogger, Julie

00:34:03.220 Rogers, to join the chaplain's office to support sexual minorities on campus.

00:34:10.100 This is 2014, OK?

00:34:12.380 This happened under the same president who is currently there, Philip Ryken.

00:34:15.420 The administration knew Julie referred to herself as gay, but she would also be required to sign

00:34:20.360 the code of conduct that says marriage is between a man and a woman and sex is reserved

00:34:25.280 for marriage.

00:34:27.240 The president supported Rogers initially, though he encouraged her to maintain a lower profile

00:34:31.880 in both public and social media platforms.

00:34:33.700 But she resigned a year later and began publicly advocating for so-called same-sex marriage.

00:34:38.800 And we say so-called because only God defines marriage and he defines it as male

00:34:42.640 and female unequivocally, so so-called same-sex marriage in the church.

00:34:46.800 So again, just like a general lack of discernment and I would say like a desire to compromise

00:34:52.320 we've seen from Wheaton Sexual and Gender Identity Institute at Wheaton College in 2019,

00:34:58.260 Dr. Mark Yarhouse.

00:34:59.380 We've talked about him before, how he is really, I think, on the front lines of getting Christians

00:35:04.740 to compromise when it comes to gender and use so-called pronoun politeness.

00:35:09.200 He's a psychology professor who refers to himself as an evangelical Christian in LGBTQ plus studies.

00:35:15.900 He moved his Sexual and Gender Identity Institute from Regent University to Wheaton.

00:35:20.580 He promotes, quote, dialogue between people who view the topic of sexual identity differently

00:35:26.140 on preferred pronouns.

00:35:28.560 According to Christianity Today, he believes that using a person's preferred pronouns is kind,

00:35:32.240 courteous, and necessary for building a relationship with that person.

00:35:35.440 And, unquote, gay Christians, as mentioned earlier, Dr. Yarhouse is unclear or unwilling

00:35:40.400 to criticize the use of the term gay Christians.

00:35:45.760 And Rosaria Butterfield has come on the show to talk about this, and she says it really eloquently,

00:35:52.660 and I probably won't even say it exactly how she said it, but like, you're not going to

00:35:56.580 win people to the cross of Christ by affirming the very sin that Christ died to save them from.

00:36:04.000 And that is what is happening when you are using someone's preferred pronouns that don't correlate

00:36:09.920 with their biological reality.

00:36:12.180 The answer is really clear in Genesis 127 that God made us in his image as male and female.

00:36:18.620 And because God made us in his image as male and female, that is not only what we physically,

00:36:25.060 biologically are from the moment of conception, that is also theologically, teleologically also

00:36:30.200 what we are.

00:36:31.360 And the Christian must affirm that. 0.72

00:36:32.860 Go back and listen to my conversation with Laura Perry Smalt, where she talks about how

00:36:36.600 her parents never gave in to her new identity as Jake, never called her he, him.

00:36:42.840 And it was her parents and her parents' Christian friends that she found refuge in after she realized

00:36:50.400 that she had made a big mistake in trying to transition, who never affirmed her fake male

00:36:54.860 identity, always affirmed who she was as a woman made in the image of God.

00:36:59.040 And it was their truth telling that God used to bring her back.

00:37:04.780 The most loving thing we can do is tell people the truth.

00:37:07.760 That's the difference between toxic empathy, which just cares about how someone feels, and

00:37:13.240 true love, which is defined in 1 Corinthians 13, 6, that love never rejoices in wrongdoing,

00:37:20.540 but rejoices with the truth.

00:37:23.680 And so it doesn't surprise me that Wheaton is just weak.

00:37:27.840 They're just weak.

00:37:28.600 They're just mushy because they have invited in this kind of deception multiple times.

00:37:32.960 They have invited in the compromisers.

00:37:36.560 And so it shouldn't be that surprising that once they let the Trojan horse of winsomeness

00:37:42.180 and nuance into their gates, that what came out was progressive secular nonsense, and that

00:37:49.820 has really hurt their witness.

00:37:52.180 And so we got to see that on display, and that is true of many institutions.

00:37:56.680 Like, Christians shouldn't kowtow to bullies, okay?

00:38:00.780 Do something because it's right.

00:38:03.040 If you're going to apologize for something, if you are going to take back something that

00:38:07.740 you said, if you are going to correct yourself, whatever it is, do it because it is the right

00:38:13.740 thing to do.

00:38:14.640 Do it because it's what God has called you to do.

00:38:17.020 Do it because God has instructed you in that way in Scripture.

00:38:21.220 Don't do it because you're scared.

00:38:23.560 Don't do it because people are asking you to, and you feel bad, and you just want to

00:38:28.540 maintain a relationship.

00:38:29.700 That is called cowardice.

00:38:31.140 That is called fearing man over God.

00:38:33.020 That is called making an idol of yourself because you care more about how you are thought

00:38:38.160 of than you are glorifying God.

00:38:40.540 Christians are free to be courageous because we serve an audience of one, and Wheaton would

00:38:46.760 do very well to remember that.

00:38:49.520 All right.

00:38:49.980 We've got some time to talk about Kanye and what is going on with him.

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00:40:00.300 I just want to talk about what is possibly going on behind the scenes here with Kanye West.

00:40:04.820 We talked a little bit on our Grammys episode about the display at the Grammys and how he

00:40:12.220 showed up there.

00:40:13.080 This was his first time going to the Grammys and I believe six years.

00:40:16.260 He showed up there with his now wife, whose name is Bianca, and she was buck naked, completely 0.99

00:40:21.920 and totally naked. 0.96

00:40:23.620 She made a show of it. 0.91

00:40:24.760 And of course, this is probably a publicity stunt.

00:40:27.340 Apparently he's got an album coming out.

00:40:30.900 But people were obviously upset about this.

00:40:33.200 This is exhibitionism.

00:40:34.280 People also raised questions about, is she okay?

00:40:37.520 Like, is she being forced to do this?

00:40:39.040 Is she being trafficked in some way?

00:40:40.640 Is she being drugged?

00:40:42.120 Are they both on drugs?

00:40:43.640 This is very scary and very sad because there were pictures of little kids like seeing this

00:40:48.840 woman completely naked, which is just awful. 0.70

00:40:51.980 It is just awful in every way.

00:40:55.060 And I questioned whether there's something demonic going on there.

00:40:59.840 We know that a few years ago he was leading Sunday services.

00:41:03.180 And even though I didn't love everything about that, because he was like partnering with

00:41:06.960 people like Joel Osteen, the infamous prosperity gospel preacher, but he was also putting out

00:41:14.260 amazing music like the album Jesus is Lord, which to this day, I will stand by the fact that

00:41:20.020 is an amazing album that is largely theologically solid.

00:41:24.880 And everyone, myself included, was really excited about that at the time.

00:41:29.360 Some of the things that he was saying about sexual morality and not wanting his wife to be scantily 0.91

00:41:34.660 clad were really good.

00:41:35.660 And I think when you have especially a prominent Christian, any Christian, certainly, because

00:41:40.880 Satan just loves to steal joy and steal people's effectiveness and attack people, but especially

00:41:46.980 when you have a prominent Christian who has the potential to reach a lot of people with the

00:41:52.760 gospel and with righteousness, you are going to have Satan go after him.

00:41:58.800 And based on his latest rant on Axe, it does kind of seem like that's what's going on here.

00:42:05.220 I do think he obviously has mental health issues, but this seems to be very spiritual as well.

00:42:10.780 He went on this rant on Axe last Thursday in which he praised Adolf Hitler, and he said 0.97

00:42:18.260 that anti-Semitism is just some BS that Jewish people made up. 1.00

00:42:21.960 He said, I love Hitler. 0.98

00:42:23.140 He said, I'm a Nazi.

00:42:24.480 He said, some of my best friends are Jewish, and I don't trust any of them, okay? 1.00

00:42:30.660 And then he went on to defend his wife's nakedness at the 2025 Grammys.

00:42:36.960 He goes, I have dominion over my wife. 1.00

00:42:40.320 This ain't no woke as feminist SHIT. 1.00

00:42:46.500 She's with a billionaire. 1.00

00:42:47.640 Why would she listen to any of you dumb, broke people? 1.00

00:42:52.160 People say the red carpet look was her decision. 0.99

00:42:55.360 Yes, I don't make her do nothing she doesn't want to do.

00:42:58.160 Okay, I'm a little confused.

00:43:00.140 Dominion, what?

00:43:01.420 Doesn't want she want it? 0.99

00:43:02.500 Okay.

00:43:03.100 She definitely wouldn't have been able to do it with my approval. 1.00

00:43:07.060 You stupid woke pawns. 1.00

00:43:09.160 I have no respect or empathy for anyone living because no one living can have with me. 1.00

00:43:15.100 But I do love some people and I give them favor.

00:43:19.780 I just feel so sorry for his children. 0.97

00:43:23.020 And then he started posting hardcore porn.

00:43:25.840 I did not see this, but I saw people talking about it.

00:43:30.040 And then Elon took action.

00:43:32.360 He labeled his account not safe for work, essentially muting his account for regular users.

00:43:38.620 So very troubling.

00:43:40.480 This is not the first time that he's posted anti-Jewish statements. 0.78

00:43:43.980 He said he was going to go death con three on Jewish people in 2022. 0.53

00:43:50.520 And so he seems to have some beef with Jewish people.

00:43:54.940 On Monday, West was dropped by his talent agency 33 and West.

00:43:59.140 His agent posted on Instagram that effective immediately, they no longer work with him anymore.

00:44:04.800 There is a former employee who is Jewish who is now suing Kanye, who says that she was subjected

00:44:14.200 to anti-Semitic vitriol, that he would text her things like,

00:44:17.760 Hail Hitler. 0.98

00:44:18.300 That is just so freaking awful. 0.99

00:44:20.500 It is so awful.

00:44:22.100 When we think past just, wow, that's like a salacious thing to say.

00:44:26.060 I mean, when you think about what Hitler actually did, what the Holocaust actually was,

00:44:29.960 and that so many of the Jewish people here today actually have ancestors that were tortured

00:44:35.320 and murdered during the Holocaust for someone to be allegedly subjected to that kind of harassment

00:44:42.000 is just beyond, I mean, just beyond evil.

00:44:46.540 The lawsuit includes a series of texts that Kanye sent her, or she says, these are screenshots

00:44:51.320 from him, and another Jewish employee, he says things like, 0.81

00:44:55.880 welcome to the first day of working for Hitler, and called her ugly as F, again, texted her 0.96

00:45:04.500 Hail Hitler. 0.90

00:45:05.480 Hours after she complained about the text messages to her manager, Kanye's attorney, sent her an

00:45:10.640 email terminating her employment.

00:45:15.460 So I'm just, I'm very disturbed by what's going on with Kanye.

00:45:20.740 There will be people who will continue to say like, oh, there's some cryptic message.

00:45:26.860 There are always like people who claim that really Kanye is communicating something different

00:45:31.060 than what he's actually saying.

00:45:32.620 And like, maybe that's true to some degree.

00:45:35.220 I don't think that there's any excuse for saying something like this, like this in combination

00:45:40.400 with posting the pornography and what went on at the Grammys, there's something very dark

00:45:45.480 and very demonic going on here.

00:45:48.660 And we should pray not only for him, but pray for his wife, pray for his children, pray for

00:45:53.620 everyone involved.

00:45:54.580 Because obviously the Kardashian clan, they've got their own issues too.

00:45:58.560 And it's just sad.

00:45:59.400 I feel like these kids can't, like, you know, they don't stand a chance in some ways, but

00:46:03.780 to have this kind of instability to look at, to not even have like a present father that

00:46:11.460 you can rely on and trust, but then is also going out and posting pornography and hoisting 0.94

00:46:18.120 up his naked wife in public. 0.97

00:46:20.680 I mean, that's got to be extremely traumatizing. 0.97

00:46:25.420 And so I think we've just got to remember that Satan is a prowling lion.

00:46:30.360 He is always roaming around looking for someone to devour.

00:46:35.900 And right now it looks like he is devouring and has completely eclipsed Kanye's influence

00:46:42.900 and is using it for the worst.

00:46:47.440 But remember, God is a God of redemption.

00:46:50.760 And if you are breathing, there is hope for redemption.

00:46:55.800 There is hope for salvation.

00:46:57.420 There is hope for God to soften his heart and to change his mind and to win him back just

00:47:02.540 like there is for anyone.

00:47:04.360 And so I pray for that.

00:47:06.860 One of the things that I was worried about at the time, whenever someone who is prominent

00:47:11.020 becomes a Christian, I always just have the urge to tell them, like, just step back.

00:47:15.200 And I even think I said that at the time when I did an episode on his apparent conversion

00:47:19.940 a few years ago, like, just kind of go away for a while and read the Bible and learn how

00:47:27.480 to live.

00:47:28.160 And maybe that's not the calling for every person who converts to Christianity publicly,

00:47:33.400 but it seems like it would be a good rule of thumb.

00:47:36.680 The love of money is the root of all kinds of evil.

00:47:39.340 It is harder for a rich man to pass through the eye or to get to heaven than it is for

00:47:46.380 a camel to pass through the eye of a needle.

00:47:48.160 But of course, we know God follows that up.

00:47:49.940 Jesus follows that up with God.

00:47:52.140 All things are possible.

00:47:53.500 So God can save anyone.

00:47:54.720 But the power and the prominence and the money and everything and the fame, everything that

00:47:59.720 comes with it, it can be extremely corrupting.

00:48:04.140 But the grace of God can transcend all of that.

00:48:06.420 And I just pray that it does.

00:48:09.040 All right.

00:48:09.360 I've got one more thing.

00:48:10.180 I just had to respond to this Rick Warren post, which might be like the worst theological

00:48:15.220 interpretation that I've ever seen in my life.

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00:49:50.340 Okay, Rick Warren.

00:49:51.580 Okay, you remember Purpose Driven Life?

00:49:53.340 Like this is the guy that discipled generations.

00:49:55.820 Most of our parents read Purpose Driven Life.

00:49:58.560 Maybe you were a high schooler and your parents were like, you got to read Purpose Driven Life.

00:50:01.820 And I'm sure that there were really, you know, good things.

00:50:04.720 There were probably some truths in it.

00:50:06.880 I don't think I ever read it.

00:50:08.760 But it was also widely criticized for being like prosperity driven.

00:50:14.220 It was like a graduation gift for a lot of graduates, I remember.

00:50:19.020 So Saddleback Church, this is the church that hosted Obama in 2008 when Obama famously said

00:50:24.440 that he supports marriage only between one man and one woman.

00:50:28.100 How far we have changed.

00:50:29.800 But Rick Warren has also been an advocate in the past few years of women being pastors

00:50:35.680 and not caused Saddleback to have a split from the SBC, the Southern Baptist Convention,

00:50:42.020 which holds to the biblical view that only men can be pastors.

00:50:46.520 And so Rick Warren has been sliding towards progressivism, I would say, for a while.

00:50:50.820 But he is a part of this crowd that is like, oh, winsomeness, nuance, transcending politics.

00:50:56.580 And here is his defense of that position, okay?

00:51:00.200 Are you ready?

00:51:01.640 Are you ready for this exegesis?

00:51:04.660 Okay?

00:51:07.560 Here's the post.

00:51:09.500 It is a picture of our Lord on the cross.

00:51:12.800 And then he's got the two thieves on the cross next to him, okay?

00:51:16.060 And here is what Brother Rick Warren decided to say.

00:51:21.520 John 19, 18.

00:51:22.800 They crucified Jesus with two others, one on each side and Jesus in the middle. 0.74

00:51:28.060 The guys on both sides were thieves.

00:51:31.340 If you're looking for the hashtag real Jesus, not a caricature disfigured by partisan motivations,

00:51:37.420 you'll find him in the middle, not on either side.

00:51:41.300 Now, brothers and sisters in Christ, it took me a good second to understand what Brother Warren is saying here, okay?

00:51:53.440 It took me a second to really, really imbibe and understand what he could possibly be arguing here.

00:52:01.720 Because certainly a pastor who has been a pastor for so many years is not saying,

00:52:06.280 because Jesus was physically in the center of Golgotha, that he had two people being crucified to his side,

00:52:15.280 that he is also the center of Republican and Democrats.

00:52:19.040 Like, no, he's not saying that.

00:52:21.340 He's not saying that he's politically moderate because the cross is in the middle of the three crosses when he was crucified.

00:52:28.480 Right?

00:52:29.740 Right?

00:52:30.300 But it does seem like that is what he is saying.

00:52:35.000 It seems like he is saying that Jesus is not partisan.

00:52:38.460 And look at the fact that he was in the center of cross to prove that.

00:52:44.220 Here's what I said on Acts.

00:52:46.180 Jesus is not in the middle on the murder of children, on gender deception, the definition of marriage.

00:52:53.820 And he's really not in the middle on anything else.

00:52:57.000 We might have disagreements on where the Bible lands, on certain aspects of certain issues,

00:53:02.360 but he is not in the middle of our most contentious cultural conversations of our day.

00:53:09.620 In fact, I seem to remember him having a particular disdain for lukewarm people,

00:53:20.780 people who are neither hot nor cold.

00:53:23.720 Genesis 1.27, Matthew 19.4-6.

00:53:28.000 It's very clear on what God thinks about the sanctity of life, the value of image bearers, 0.99

00:53:34.920 the definition of marriage, the definition of gender.

00:53:38.440 It's not confusing.

00:53:39.760 It's only confusing if you want it to be for your political purposes.

00:53:44.500 Ironically, this kind of statement is far more partisan and political than those who simply say,

00:53:50.340 you know, Jesus being God and the word being God's word is like really clear on these so-called political issues of the day that are really just biblical theological issues.

00:54:01.300 This is bad.

00:54:02.400 Do not proof text in this way.

00:54:04.460 Allow the Bible to speak for itself.

00:54:06.260 That might cause some disagreements, and Christians can, in good faith, disagree on some things, but on the big ones, like on the big topics of our day that are in the center of our political discussions,

00:54:19.520 marriage and gender and identity and sexuality and abortion, the Bible is so extremely clear on that.

00:54:26.040 Thank God for it.

00:54:27.820 And so let's pray for Rick Warren that he would have the clarity that comes from God's word and the discernment that comes from the Holy Spirit.

00:54:36.680 All right.

00:54:36.960 That's all we've got time for today.

00:54:38.120 We'll be back here tomorrow with Chief Related Bro.

00:54:41.020 We'll be back here tomorrow.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - February 12, 2025

Ep 1139 ｜ Wheaton Bows to the Mob, Kanye Hails Hitler & Rick Warren Turns Lukewarm

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