Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1142 ｜ Piecing Together Elon Musk & Ashley St. Clair's Puzzling Romance

00:00:00.540 On Valentine's Day, conservative commentator Ashley St. Clair announced that five months ago,

00:00:06.300 she welcomed a child with Elon Musk. But there's a lot of controversy within this that I think is

00:00:13.600 worth discussing and debating as Christians. But first, we've got a very important announcement

00:00:19.080 about the subject of yesterday's episode, Patriarchy Hannah. So let's get into it.

00:00:30.000 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Tuesday. Hope everyone is having a wonderful week so far.

00:00:38.720 Well, I am thanking the Lord that today is my 33rd birthday. I am so grateful for life and just

00:00:46.800 everything that the Lord has so graciously blessed me with. I love being a wife and a mom and getting

00:00:56.000 to talk to you guys so many times a week. I am so, so grateful that the Lord has blessed me so far

00:01:05.100 beyond anything I could ever possibly deserve. And first and foremost, he has offered us his son

00:01:12.760 as redemption from our sins. And he has reached the standard that I could never reach so that I

00:01:22.360 could be reconciled to God, friends with God, have salvation, be sanctified, be free from sin,

00:01:28.700 and one day spend forever with him. And that is what I am most thankful for today and every day.

00:01:36.240 And thank you guys so much for adding so much flavor and richness to my life. I wouldn't be able to do

00:01:42.400 this if it weren't for you. So thank you so much. In honor of my birthday, I would love for you guys,

00:01:49.900 we've done this for a few years now, to donate to a pregnancy center in Texas. If you came to share

00:01:56.160 the arrows, you're probably familiar with Prestonwood Pregnancy Center. We've also had the director,

00:02:01.460 Leanne, on the show a couple times. I know firsthand that they are doing amazing work that by the grace

00:02:08.600 of God is changing and saving lives. And they have just opened up a new center in another part of Texas.

00:02:16.560 So now they have two centers and they really need items, especially at this new pregnancy center.

00:02:22.500 So they need diapers, they need wipes, they need all kinds of stuff that they offer to pregnant women 1.00

00:02:28.460 who are in need. And if you've been following for a while, you probably remember those pictures or

00:02:35.220 videos that we post after you all have so generously donated these items through the Amazon Baby Registry,

00:02:42.680 not just to Prestonwood Pregnancy Center, but to a variety of pregnancy centers across the country.

00:02:48.580 And they're just always so touching. They're always so amazing, seeing just the magnitude of

00:02:54.300 your generosity and Christian love manifesting itself in the giving of material resources. It's just so

00:03:02.200 amazing. And you've heard this story before, if you've been listening for a while, but if you

00:03:06.580 haven't, this always just like touches my heart so much that Leanne, the director of Prestonwood

00:03:12.860 Pregnancy Center tells this amazing story. A couple of years ago, we did what we do. We posted the link

00:03:19.420 and you guys generously donated lots and lots of items through Amazon to Prestonwood Pregnancy Center.

00:03:25.860 Well, the Amazon driver who was dropping off the boxes at the center was like, what in the world is

00:03:31.940 going on? This is like, I don't think I've ever dropped off this many boxes at one location. And so

00:03:39.180 the volunteers and the staff at PPC got to tell them, got to tell this man what they do, what their

00:03:46.800 mission is. And then right there, one of the male staffers at Prestonwood Pregnancy Center got to lead

00:03:55.000 that man to Christ. And that man right there bowed his head, prayed, and became a Christian because

00:04:03.360 of the gospel sharing, the evangelism of one of the people that works at PPC. And that arrangement was

00:04:10.540 made possible because of your generosity. So when it looks like God is doing one thing, he's actually

00:04:16.000 doing a million things. Many we cannot see, but he also gives us the privilege sometimes to see

00:04:23.100 exactly what part of the constellation of someone's testimony we are playing a role in. So this is like

00:04:31.980 not just tangible, material, temporal stuff. We are talking about an eternal impact. So if you could

00:04:38.160 please go to the link in the description, donate via Amazon, it'll be sent directly to their center and

00:04:45.800 you could literally help save a life. One more announcement. We've got a marriage Q&A, a relationship

00:04:53.560 Q&A for Blaze TV subscribers coming out very soon. Brie, when is it coming out?

00:05:01.980 Friday. It's coming out on Friday. Blaze TV subscribers, go to blazetv.com slash Allie. Go ahead

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00:05:33.460 So go to blazetv.com slash Allie. That marriage Q&A will be out this Friday. All right. We are going

00:05:40.100 to get into Elon Musk and Ashley St. Clair and why it matters, but I do want to give an update on the

00:05:47.420 Patriarchy Hannah situation that has developed over the past 24 hours. So I won't read, I won't even 0.93

00:05:56.080 give a recap. It would take too long. If you don't know what I'm talking about, just go and listen to

00:06:01.280 or watch yesterday's episode. This person, Jennifer Bayes, Patriarchy Hannah on X, reactivated her 1.00

00:06:11.720 account yesterday to apologize. And so she is now owning up to the fact that she did lie about her

00:06:19.420 identity. She was denying all of this just a few days ago before she deactivated her account.

00:06:25.160 She was accusing people of doxing her and doxing people that she didn't know. She was accusing people

00:06:32.680 of slander and pushing lies. Well, now she has owned up to it. So she said this, I just want to

00:06:38.720 say that I am sorry for the lies I told and the hurt I caused. I never intended for this account to

00:06:44.140 become as big as it did. And once things started snowballing, I enjoyed the relationships I'd built

00:06:49.480 and didn't know how to put an end to it. It was wrong of me. I have repented of this behavior.

00:06:54.940 And will not be back on X. I'm sorry to everyone I hurt with my lies. Some things that have been said

00:07:02.020 are true. And some things are wildly inaccurate. But I don't see a point in sorting it all out.

00:07:09.020 The bottom line is that I am not who I presented myself to be. I'm not going to be giving my reasons

00:07:15.000 for why I started because I am not looking for sympathy here. It was wrong. And I humbly hope that

00:07:20.620 you all can find it in your hearts to forgive me in the future. Please stop reaching out to my

00:07:25.480 family. They're aware of the situation, but are very freaked out by people trying to make contact

00:07:31.180 with them. They didn't do anything to deserve this attention. I'm sure you understand. I don't think

00:07:37.080 people should be reaching out to her family either. But just to be fair, she did put them in this

00:07:42.900 situation. They're probably more freaked out that she was taking pictures of houses across the street

00:07:49.000 from their property saying it was her own. And that is actually how people found out who her parents

00:07:57.460 actually were and their different addresses. And so she did put her family in this very precarious

00:08:04.100 position. So some people congratulated her basically for being courageous. A lot of people said,

00:08:13.900 you know what, this took strength. You're going in the right direction. Others expressed a sentiment

00:08:20.640 of hoping that she repents and hoping that she turns to the Lord and that this is a new chapter in her

00:08:29.180 life. And others sent responses saying, I think understandably, hey, I'm still hurt and I need you

00:08:37.620 to I need you to do some things because we were actually friends. And this is where I think it's

00:08:43.120 really sad. There were people who put their trust in this person that they thought was real, who took

00:08:48.980 marriage advice from her and even sent her different baby items thinking that she was adopting or fostering

00:08:57.140 a new baby, as she said. So here's an example. One person on X said, I showed you a picture of my

00:09:03.580 son with Santa. Please delete that and don't do anything shameful with it. I don't care about

00:09:09.760 anything other than that. That's my baby. I shouldn't have sent that thinking I knew you.

00:09:15.480 That's just heartbreaking. You think that you are protecting the privacy of your child because you

00:09:20.940 are sending your picture to someone that you know and that you have grown to trust, that you've

00:09:25.560 probably shared details of your life with. And now you feel like you've made your child vulnerable,

00:09:31.200 put your picture into the hands of a fraud. Patriarchy Hannah said, don't worry, I will delete

00:09:37.680 right now. Now, the reason that is a very odd response, don't worry, I will delete right now

00:09:43.000 for a number of reasons. If my friend sends me a picture of her child, oh, look, it's so and so

00:09:49.100 they're starting to walk. They're so sweet. Whatever. First of all, like, I love it. That's great.

00:09:53.200 I'm not saving that picture. Like, there would be no reason for me to save a picture of a friend's

00:09:58.920 child, especially someone that I knew just over the internet. So I think it's strange that she

00:10:07.000 immediately remembered that she had this particular picture, that she knew exactly where it was,

00:10:13.040 that she could say that she would delete it. I think it's weird that she had saved this picture

00:10:17.220 on her phone. But the reason why it's even weirder is because someone I love to follow,

00:10:23.000 she goes by Lou in Alaska on X. She said that she had spoken to Jennifer, aka Hannah,

00:10:28.600 woman to woman, face to face. I don't think actually in person, maybe on FaceTime, but she said,

00:10:35.200 we've agreed that I can share the following. She recognizes that much of the information,

00:10:39.520 photos, personal info she has gotten from connections as Hannah is sensitive, could cause 0.99

00:10:43.040 alarm among those who felt close enough to share it with her. She says that she has erased the

00:10:50.200 messages containing this info and will honor the privacy of the people who trusted her with those

00:10:55.740 things. Okay. And I trust that Lou in Alaska, like, actually talked to her. She wouldn't just make that

00:11:01.560 up. Okay. So she promised to Lou in Alaska, I've deleted that. And then later, this post comes out

00:11:07.240 where she's apologizing and she responds to one of the replies saying, hey, please delete that picture

00:11:11.600 I sent you of my son. And she says, I'm deleting now. Okay. Well, why hadn't you already done that?

00:11:18.680 Because you said that you had, and now you're saying, oh, I'm going to do that. And then one

00:11:24.680 person named Monica asked, what did you do with all the baby gifts people sent you? Patriarchy Hannah 1.00

00:11:32.080 said, I received five baby gifts and they were all used for a baby. Well, they're not her babies

00:11:38.660 because she wasn't really fostering and adopting. She didn't really have the 14 children.

00:11:43.680 She said that she did. And so we don't know what, what baby, who's baby. And again, these people spent

00:11:51.260 their hard earned dollars. It doesn't matter if it was $4 or maybe $400 on a nice stroller. We don't

00:11:56.180 know. They spent their hard earned dollars on a gift for someone who they believed really needed it

00:12:01.840 financially for a vulnerable child that she was helping. Okay. Like that is swindling. And she 0.93

00:12:10.660 doesn't say here, okay, don't worry. I'm going to pay you back. Don't worry. I'll Venmo you or I'll

00:12:16.700 make sure that you get your money back. I mean, think about like the stories of the tax collectors

00:12:22.000 that Jesus redeemed, there was a repaying involved in the repentance, um, that they,

00:12:31.040 that they exercised. And so I think it's strange to just say, well, yeah, I got the five,

00:12:37.260 got the five presents and I gave it to a baby. No indication that there's going to be any payback

00:12:41.580 there. I just feel sorry for those who were swindled. There's a little bit more on this.

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00:14:06.540 Just a few days ago, Patriarchy Hannah, before she deactivated her account and realized, okay,

00:14:16.320 people are really onto me. I'm not going to be able to squirrel out of this one. She was tweeting

00:14:21.300 on Valentine's Day, for example, they were so close, but so far better luck next time. Maybe

00:14:25.680 no hard feelings to everyone caught up in it. I understand how Christian Twitter loves a scandal. 1.00

00:14:30.880 So she's basically saying none of this is true, or maybe part of it is true. And I'm not mad at you

00:14:37.820 for being caught up in that, uh, you know, the, the lies about me. She would have probably said,

00:14:43.400 um, she said also it's worse than y'all think actually I'm really a fed. So there she is using

00:14:51.360 sarcasm and jokes about this. There's also a question of like one of the anonymous accounts

00:14:56.660 that we talked about yesterday. Um, it's a newly made account like Dr. Roxo or something. We don't

00:15:03.360 know if it is her, if it's this Jennifer Bayes person or not, we don't know who it is, but this

00:15:10.080 account, it's still up again. You can go back and listen to this part of yesterday's episode.

00:15:14.600 Um, but it's threatening Ryan Duff. The guy who has uncovered all of this is like trying to drag him

00:15:21.820 through the mud and say, like, remember when you did this and it doesn't really make a whole lot

00:15:26.820 of sense. And like, you've got a target on your back. We can play this game. I don't know who else

00:15:32.640 this would be. We don't know who it is, but obviously if it is Jennifer Bayes, that's just

00:15:37.920 another reason to believe that the repentance is just not real. I think that you have to be extremely,

00:15:44.560 extremely cautious with pathological liars. I'm not saying that we should not express a desire for

00:15:50.660 her to repent and to find satisfaction and truth in Christ because of course we want that for

00:15:55.520 absolutely everyone, but she does not deserve your celebrations or congratulations for being

00:16:00.980 courageous because we are also, um, already rather seen discrepancies in her story now. And when you

00:16:09.880 have a pathological line problem, things don't necessarily make sense. Okay. And you can't take

00:16:19.900 anything they say at face value as sincere as they might come across. And so, uh, also I don't

00:16:28.740 actually see this included in here, but, um, someone said, Oh, you should stick around and make this a

00:16:36.700 parody account. Don't get off X. And her reply was, we'll see. Okay. Well, you just said that you were

00:16:45.760 going to get off X as a matter of repentance and getting your life together. Then you respond to

00:16:52.140 someone's reply that you should stick around and make a different kind of content with, we'll see.

00:16:57.040 You shouldn't even be replying. You shouldn't be replying to anyone. You need to deactivate your

00:17:01.960 account. And I'm asking all of you to not follow or interact with this person and to, uh, just have

00:17:09.980 your antennae up and to just be critical thinkers about everyone and everything. And I'm not going

00:17:20.660 to sit here and say, you can't trust anyone, but you can trust me. Of course I, you know, you can,

00:17:26.480 you can trust me. Of course I say that. And I want you to know that I'm trustworthy, but ultimately I

00:17:31.620 don't care about that. Like, I want you to question everything and everyone online. I just want you

00:17:37.440 to remember that Jesus Christ is who he says he is, is real, is trustworthy. And when everything else

00:17:45.300 seems fake and deceiving, you can rest in that and that his word is reliable. I really don't care

00:17:52.060 what you think of me or what you think of anyone else. Quite frankly, I think that we should kind of

00:17:58.160 be skeptical of everyone to a certain degree in, in the public eye. Um, but I want you to know for sure

00:18:06.800 that you can trust in God and that none of this, a professing Christian, like faking an identity,

00:18:13.440 none of this makes him less trustworthy or the faith that he founded less trustworthy. All right. Um,

00:18:23.940 now let's get into Elon Musk and Ashley St. Clair. And you might think, well, Ali, isn't this just

00:18:30.860 internet gossip? It doesn't really matter. Well, the trad movement was a growing movement with a lot

00:18:37.240 of influence. A lot of people were duped by this. I think it was worth asking why, like what is actually

00:18:43.280 behind that? And for us to just all check ourselves and make sure that we are discerning. Plus it was

00:18:49.440 just interesting. Um, and then this Ashley St. Clair, Elon Musk story absolutely matters because Elon

00:18:57.000 Musk is arguably the most powerful man in the world right now, probably tied with Donald Trump,

00:19:03.320 his procreation of a child with a prominent young conservative commentator and the online

00:19:09.300 controversy that ensued after the existence of the child was announced, um, give so much insight into

00:19:17.640 where the right, if you can even call us that, uh, is in the United States, what our values are,

00:19:23.980 what we deeply disagree on, what our obligation is as Christian conservatives. Like there is just so 0.92

00:19:30.300 much to discuss and debate after we get into the details of what actually happened. So if you have

00:19:35.760 no idea what I'm talking about, buckle up on Valentine's day, conservative influencer, Ashley 0.97

00:19:41.000 St. Clair posted on X that she gave birth to Elon Musk's baby five months ago, claiming she was forced

00:19:47.520 to make the bombshell announcement due to threats of prime tabloid reporters. So I saw this

00:19:53.980 post on, um, on Valentine's night and I literally woke up chief related, bro. I was like, uh, uh,

00:20:04.220 and he was like, what, uh, uh, Ashley St. Clair and Elon Musk had a baby. And he was like, what,

00:20:12.400 what? He was like, am I dreaming? No, no, they didn't. And I was like, yes, they did. And before I woke

00:20:19.420 him up, I verified that this was real because I almost thought it was a joke. I thought it was,

00:20:23.860 I don't know, some kind of strange satire or prank or something. And then I dug into it and I asked a

00:20:30.960 journalist friend, I was like, is this real? Because I saw that this person had replied to

00:20:35.300 Ashley St. Clair and the journalist was like, yes, this is real. Okay. So then I was digging into this

00:20:44.640 and going down the rabbit hole for a very long time that night and the next day, because I was

00:20:49.680 just kind of naive that this, that something like this could happen. I, I don't know. I'm just not

00:20:55.180 paying that much attention to these two people. Elon Musk, I'm paying attention to in so far as like

00:21:02.300 his influence on the government, but I'm not checking his Twitter very much. Ashley St. Clair,

00:21:07.880 I'll get into like our kind of back and forth a little bit, but these are just not people I really

00:21:13.180 closely follow on social media. And so I was just taken aback. So a little bit more about Ashley.

00:21:20.960 She was formerly employed by the Babylon Bee. She wrote a children's book in 2021 with brave books

00:21:26.920 titled elephants are not birds. And so this is like an analogy for the gender madness. Ashley has become 1.00

00:21:33.140 well known on X where she has a significant following over a million followers. She also appeared,

00:21:39.480 if you'll remember, I think we talked about it on the show. So conservative dads, ultra right beer

00:21:46.600 company. They did a calendar last year, I think this year too, where they've got like conservative

00:21:51.920 influencers scantily clad or in bikinis and like very, very non-artistic and unflattering light

00:22:00.000 and scenarios for like this conservative dad's calendar. I just think it's so bad in so many ways,

00:22:07.460 artistically, morally, but anyway, she was in that calendar. Maybe you know her from that. Hopefully

00:22:12.080 not. She has one child already with a chiropractor. I guess his name is public, but I don't know if I

00:22:20.600 want to say it on this show. So she, she are, she's a single mom. They're not married. Some people are

00:22:26.040 saying that she's married to this person, that her first child's dad, but she's not, they're not

00:22:31.920 married. Um, I met Ashley a couple of years ago, briefly at a Babylon Bee event. She was, you know,

00:22:36.900 super nice. We've had positive interactions, um, at least that I can remember. But like I said,

00:22:44.040 I wasn't really paying that much attention to our content. I remember, uh, she was seemingly very

00:22:49.260 anti Ron DeSantis, like trolled him pretty hard. Um, and his team during the primary, I was still am a

00:22:57.580 big Ron DeSantis fan. So I thought that that was like off putting. I was just also surprised. It's

00:23:02.980 one thing to prefer a certain candidate. I was surprised that she like went down the mocking 0.99

00:23:07.120 lane of, uh, Ron DeSantis. I did notice that Elon interacted with her quite a bit on X. And like

00:23:16.300 back when Elon took over Twitter, it was like always really exciting when he was responding to

00:23:20.820 conservative commentators like, Oh my gosh. And like, whenever Elon replied, and probably this is

00:23:26.700 probably still true replies to a post, the post like ends up going viral because his reach is so

00:23:32.980 large. So I would see them sometimes going back and forth, but I don't really remember thinking much

00:23:38.800 of this except for the fact that her influence, like her following on X had grown so much over the

00:23:46.060 past few years. And maybe that's all organic. Maybe that has nothing to do with Elon Musk. I just

00:23:50.320 recall taking note of that several months ago. And then where we had a negative interaction,

00:23:56.700 was also a few months ago last year when she started going after Lila Rose. You'll remember

00:24:02.120 in August, multiple conservatives criticized Trump for his seeming wishy-washiness on abortion. And

00:24:09.560 Lila, the head of the pro-life organization live action was maybe like the most persistent, 0.98

00:24:15.640 prominent voice criticizing Trump. She put some posts up talking about, uh, Trump's comments about

00:24:23.420 vetoing a national ban on abortion, um, kind of like agreeing with the Supreme court about the

00:24:31.060 legality of abortion pills. And then he came out at first against amendment four in Florida, and then

00:24:37.820 switched on that. And then because of that, because Lila, which I think that she was genuinely trying to

00:24:45.140 push Trump toward a more pro-life position, not trying to get Trump, uh, to lose. And, you know,

00:24:50.160 Lila and I debated and discussed a lot of this at the time, um, privately and yeah, we had a lot of

00:24:57.240 conversations about it. And so I, I, she wasn't trying to get Trump to lose. She was trying to

00:25:01.720 sincerely do what she believed was right and most effective, um, at the time. But Ashley St.

00:25:08.040 Claire, she decided to go after Lila and say, Lila Rose, the most prominent voice in the pro-life

00:25:13.220 movement is telling you not to vote because Trump isn't principled enough. While she pays herself 0.86

00:25:18.520 over a quarter of a million a year and uses $14 million in pro-life donations to throw luxury galas

00:25:24.940 and pay for podcast appearances. Um, and she notes the salary that she gets and like, um, how many

00:25:33.780 donations they get and where it's spent. And she was very upset apparently because live action wasn't

00:25:41.000 sending enough money. She thought to pro-life pregnancy centers and so much was just spent on social

00:25:48.120 media and stuff, which is all stupid. Like it was all stupid critique. And I went to bat for Lila at 1.00

00:25:53.120 the time. First of all, she founded and runs a very large and influential organization. And so, no, I

00:26:02.260 don't think her salary is too much. And it's just silly to even try to assert that, especially when

00:26:09.240 we look at some of the details of Ashley St. Claire's, uh, deal and arrangement with Elon Musk,

00:26:15.900 uh, but also live action is an educational organization. They're not a pregnancy center.

00:26:21.380 There are pregnancy centers that exist. There are organizations that exist to support pregnancy

00:26:27.100 centers. There are lots of different arms of the pro-life movement. Live action is a part of one arm

00:26:33.800 is really leading the charge in a lot of ways. And other organizations are leading the charge

00:26:37.660 in different ways. But Ashley went after her, I think very personally, um, and in a very manipulative

00:26:46.640 and conniving way, basically saying that she's just trying to get rich and she's swindling the pro-life 1.00

00:26:55.240 movement, claiming that Lila Rose is a grifter, all of that. And so we kind of went back and forth

00:27:01.680 during that time. So I wouldn't say that like we were on the best, like the best terms. Um,

00:27:09.040 2019 Ashley St. Claire said, bring back family values. This is what she said on X make monogamy

00:27:16.700 great again. It's okay to be a stay at home wife or mom. Femininity is beautiful. She also said in 1.00

00:27:23.900 2019, I refuse to live in a society where casual, irresponsible sex is valued more than children.

00:27:28.880 I refuse to live in a society where Planned Parenthood's profits are valued more than life.

00:27:33.760 I refuse to live in a society where feelings are valued more than human means. I think those are

00:27:38.400 all awesome statements. Um, and she also said men like tact in class. And so women should be more classy. 1.00

00:27:49.260 She, she posted in 2020, I just want a husband, two kids and a small farm. And 2023, she said,

00:27:59.500 ladies, please believe me when I say the media feminists are lying to you about sex. They are 1.00

00:28:03.740 actually very miserable women who want to validate their own horrible life choices by having you make 1.00

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00:29:53.060 Okay. So here's what she posted. She posted a screenshot or like a picture of text

00:30:00.040 on X on Valentine's night. She said five months ago, I welcomed the new baby into the world.

00:30:05.700 Elon Musk is the father. I have not previously disclosed this to protect our child's privacy

00:30:10.300 and safety, but in recent days, it has become clear that tabloid media intends to do so regardless

00:30:15.880 of the harm it will cause. I intend to allow our child to grow in a normal and safe environment.

00:30:21.780 For that reason, I asked that the media honor our child's privacy and refrain from invasive

00:30:28.140 reporting. Um, she also put like as the caption on her X post,

00:30:34.760 so that means the die is cast. So this signifies like a point of no return. The phrase is attributed

00:30:43.780 to Julius Caesar when he crossed the Rubicon in 49 BC. This is very like Elon Musk. He does things

00:30:50.480 like that. So she's saying the die is cast. I am putting this out there. It's the path that it's the

00:30:55.840 point of no return. So she is asking for privacy here, which I totally understand. Um, there should

00:31:06.460 be no journalists going after children. If she has decided, if they have decided to keep their

00:31:11.740 children private, then no one needs to know the name of the child, the gender of the child, what the

00:31:18.320 child looks like. I understand being interested in this story. Absolutely. Again, we've got like the

00:31:23.560 most powerful man in the world creating his 14th, maybe we don't really know how many kids he has,

00:31:29.860 but possibly 14th baby with a conservative commentator who has been very public about

00:31:34.500 believing in traditional socially conservative Christian values. Like that's a story. I understand

00:31:40.780 journalists being interested in wanting to tell that story, but if it is true that a journalist was

00:31:46.220 hounding her trying to get pictures of the child, then that is awful behavior. I actually think there

00:31:51.000 should be some kind of legal punishment for going after children like that. And I believe that she 1.00

00:31:56.120 is truly anxious about that and wants to protect her child. I have no doubt that she like loves her

00:32:00.740 babies and wants to protect them from the predation of these kinds of journalists. And she's talked about

00:32:06.600 people like stalking her and trying to get to her child. And I believe that she is very fearful of

00:32:11.680 that. And I hope and pray for their protection. Now, what is a little odd, and I understand this

00:32:17.680 is a PR strategy, and it was probably the crisis publicity firm, PR firm that she hired that told

00:32:22.880 her to do this. But it is strange that she puts out this thing. She's like, I just want total privacy.

00:32:27.800 I want my child to live a private life. But then she does a sit down interview with the New York

00:32:36.260 Post. So she did this on Saturday. And this was actually before she ended up announcing this on

00:32:44.800 X. But the article itself came out after she had announced it on X. According to this exclusive

00:32:53.860 interview, Ashley and Elon crossed paths on X in 2023, meeting in person for the first time when

00:33:01.200 Elon hosted the Babylon Bee at Twitter headquarters for an interview. They started talking via text.

00:33:08.300 He asked her to go to Providence, Rhode Island, like just a few hours after they met in San Francisco.

00:33:16.140 And I guess she did. Actually, the New York Post didn't say whether she did or not. But I assume

00:33:22.240 that that is what's being implied there. And apparently they were romantically involved for a period of time.

00:33:29.360 And she got pregnant. She claims to the New York Post that she was told by Elon to keep the

00:33:34.860 pregnancy a secret forever, that she was only allowed to tell a small, close-knit circle of

00:33:40.280 people. She claims that she really pushed back against the original agreement that he tried to

00:33:45.480 give her, which basically said, you can't even tell your other son about the existence of this baby.

00:33:51.500 And I guess the agreement that they ended up agreeing on that she ended up signing was like

00:33:58.440 a little more lax than that. But she was in total isolation. She said that she was put up in a really

00:34:04.140 swanky apartment, that she was given security, that she was given financial comfort by the world's

00:34:10.660 richest man. But that she was in total isolation. She didn't post anything on Instagram. She was

00:34:17.100 apparently isolated from her family. According to text messages between Ashley and Musk's money

00:34:24.020 manager, Jared Birchall, Musk wished to be left off the birth certificate to preserve privacy and

00:34:29.840 security. Ashley complied with this wish. So it's not even on the birth certificate of this poor child

00:34:36.320 that his or her, we actually don't know the gender of the baby, that the child's father is Elon Musk.

00:34:42.360 Despite this attempt at secrecy, Ashley said that Musk obsessed fans apparently began speculating

00:34:47.980 and began harassing her online and in person. She also says that a tabloid she doesn't want to

00:34:57.320 name started snooping around and that her hand has been forced to make this announcement by the media. 0.98

00:35:03.080 She also told the New York Post that she had not been in contact with Musk since making the statement,

00:35:07.940 but she said she notified his team before posting it on X. She claimed they ignored it. I think that

00:35:16.180 it's worth noting. So like I said, I kind of understand the PR strategy behind getting ahead of

00:35:22.960 the story and telling your story from your perspective to a trusted reporter or a reporter that

00:35:28.960 she thinks she can trust like the New York Post, which is pretty like conservative friendly. I understand

00:35:35.640 that. But it also looks a little strange when you were saying, I really want privacy. I just want a

00:35:42.800 normal life. And you let this reporter apparently, well, yes, not even apparently, it says in the story

00:35:49.880 that the reporter met at her swanky New York apartment and you let a photographer into your swanky

00:35:57.880 New York apartment. And you take these, what I think are kind of like suggestive photos in what almost

00:36:05.200 looks like lingerie in your apartment for this story. If I had been a publicist, I'm just talking

00:36:11.460 about from a strategic perspective, I would have said, okay, yes, let's tell the story. I don't know

00:36:17.980 if I would have picked the New York Post. I would have picked probably an independent journalist, but

00:36:22.000 let's tell your story. Make sure we get out ahead of it. Make sure it has all the details that we need.

00:36:27.980 No headshots, no pictures, because the pictures look like you're glamorizing it. It doesn't look

00:36:34.540 like you, your hand has been forced and that you are scared to protect your child. Now, maybe she

00:36:40.040 truly, I mean, I do think that she truly is and she wants to protect your child, but maybe she's not

00:36:46.460 trying to glorify it and she just made a mistake, but it really doesn't look good. And then another New

00:36:52.560 York Post article came out saying that she feels, quote, jilted and ghosted. Ashley's friend, Emma

00:36:59.880 Jo Morris, told the New York Post yesterday that Ashley felt jilted and terrified after Elon Musk

00:37:04.480 refused to come to her aid when reporters began to snoop around her. So Ashley got wind that a tabloid

00:37:11.280 was kicking the tires on her and she reached out to Elon immediately. He basically cut bait. And so the

00:37:16.500 message was understood that she was on her own. Morris said Ashley expected it would be an arrangement

00:37:21.480 similar to to that he has with his other baby mamas. OK, their words, not mine. She would raise the

00:37:27.520 child and Elon would be peripherally present in their lives. I mean, yeah, OK, I'll get to my feelings

00:37:34.300 about it in just a second. Morris said Musk's hostile actions left St. Clair with no choice but to tell

00:37:39.540 the story before anyone else could. Ashley St. Clair's rep, Brian Glicklich, told TMZ that she had been

00:37:46.400 respecting Elon's wish to keep their purported baby news, purported baby news private, but had no

00:37:51.960 choice when an unnamed tabloid reporter started hounding her, hinting they were hours from releasing

00:37:57.120 the story. Brian added that lately Elon and his team have completely ghosted Ashley despite her

00:38:03.800 reaching out multiple times. And this is just very sad. This this part is just so, so sad. So this

00:38:12.420 started unraveling later that night the next day on X after she posted her announcement. So Musk has

00:38:20.240 been on X. I'm sure he's seen it. He has posted about a variety of topics on X since Ashley's

00:38:26.220 announcement, but has not publicly acknowledged the allegation. So we have no verification from

00:38:31.100 Elon Musk about his paternity. According to a representative for Ashley, they said this. This is

00:38:37.920 Brian Glicklich. Ashley and Elon have been privately working towards the creation of an agreement about

00:38:43.400 raising their child for some time. It is disappointing that a tabloid reporter who repeatedly ambushed Ashley

00:38:49.540 and her family made it impossible to complete that process confidentially. We are waiting for Elon to

00:38:54.580 publicly acknowledge his parental role with Ashley to end unwarranted speculation. So Musk didn't respond to

00:39:02.600 any of this, but he did respond to Milo Yiannopoulos. Milo Yiannopoulos like really capitalized on this

00:39:10.600 moment and dug up some old posts. He says like his accusation is that Ashley St. Clair had been

00:39:17.960 planning this for a long time. So Ashley St. Clair Milo says, and you know, yeah, it's Milo Yiannopoulos.

00:39:26.900 So Ashley St. Clair plotted for half a decade to ensnare Elon Musk. This is an old tweet where she

00:39:33.840 said I it's confusing about like what she's actually referring to. But Ashley is responding to Greg

00:39:39.540 Price. She says, I need it to get Elon Musk's attention for a marriage proposal. Please, Greg.

00:39:44.780 I mean, it sounds to me like she's joking. Greg Price says he's got a kid with a woman already.

00:39:48.400 Seems unlikely to work out. Ashley St. Clair said, well, he actually has seven kids and goes through

00:39:54.240 women pretty fast. This was May of 2020. And she did a crying laughing emoji to me. I'm like, this

00:39:59.860 doesn't like really prove anything to me. It just looks like a joke. And then Elon Musk responds,

00:40:07.260 though, to Milo Yiannopoulos claiming that Ashley St. Clair has been plotting this since 2020, just

00:40:13.140 saying, whoa. And that is the first time we see him say anything about the announcement that Ashley

00:40:19.520 St. Clair gave birth to his child five months ago. And when he did that, I knew things were not going

00:40:26.980 well. And I my sadness for this whole situation really grew. So after Elon Musk said, whoa, to Milo

00:40:37.020 Yiannopoulos, Ash. So Ashley responded to him saying, Elon, we have been trying to communicate for the past

00:40:43.660 several days and you have not responded. When are you going to reply to us instead of publicly responding

00:40:49.520 to smears from an individual who just posted photos of me in underwear at 15 years old? I don't know

00:40:55.300 exactly what she's responding to or talking about. I guess Milo posted a picture of her like that.

00:41:02.000 So she ended up deleting that response. She also posted this on her own page. She said,

00:41:06.640 it's interesting that Elon, this is on the 15th, the day after she made the announcement,

00:41:12.240 is responding to this clearly in jest screenshot. So she's saying she was joking back in 2020 that was

00:41:18.240 discussed with his team months ago in a documented call. So I guess she's saying, yeah, he already knew

00:41:24.960 about this silly screenshot. Now he decides to respond to it publicly from an account that posted

00:41:30.020 underage photos of me as if he, Elon, wasn't asking me to have more children with him last week.

00:41:35.860 I would like to take this offline for a child's sake and have been attempting to for weeks.

00:41:42.400 Also, she posted, um, FYI, the security team on Elon's own platform locked the account, Milo's

00:41:51.860 account. He is now responding to for a week for posting a non-consensual underwear photo of me as

00:41:57.420 a child. So I think what she's trying to say is like, this is real. I can't believe that Elon is

00:42:03.040 responding to this account of all accounts that she's claiming. Like he knows that he knows that

00:42:09.500 Milo has like posted these things. I think that's what she's claiming. And he's responding anyway.

00:42:14.240 And this is the first response he gives to the announcement that Ashley St. Clair had his child.

00:42:21.420 And so, and so that was how the, the drama initially unfolded. And we have more and I will give

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00:45:29.220 different people. He's got a child with Justine Wilson. He's got a child, three children with Canadian

00:45:36.880 pop star Grimes. I actually don't know that I knew that she had, that they had three children.

00:45:43.360 One son is Techno Mechanicus, because of course, rolls off the tongue. And I wouldn't typically like

00:45:51.300 say the names, but they have made these public, of course, themselves. Elon also has three children

00:45:57.980 with Neuralink executive Siobhan Zillis, born via surrogate. Two twins were born in 2021.

00:46:04.360 And then another child was born in 2024. So last year was a banner year for Elon Musk's

00:46:11.000 fertility. I don't know. Procreation. So these are the children that we know about. I don't know. I

00:46:19.800 truly don't know if we know all of Elon Musk's children. Now, most of these children were born

00:46:27.560 via IVF, and many of them were born via surrogacy. Remember, Elon Musk has been very public about

00:46:33.940 wanting to repopulate the earth. He has even made jokes before about, you know, having no problem

00:46:39.920 with repopulating, that he's doing his part. And he believes that depopulation is a big crisis,

00:46:45.900 which, of course, I agree that depopulation is a big crisis. And as I will get into in a second,

00:46:52.600 I don't think that this is the way to go about it. In fact, I know that it's not. But in the aftermath

00:46:59.060 of Ashley St. Clair, obviously, being extremely desperate, it seems to me, and I don't mean that

00:47:05.120 in like the pejorative sense, but like truly desperate, eager to try to connect with the

00:47:09.600 apparent father of her baby, he is responding to his other baby mama. I'm sorry. It's I don't know

00:47:17.480 how else to say it. It is their baby mamas, his other baby mama on X. So she happens to post.

00:47:23.700 And again, this just seems intentional to me. She posted in the midst of this,

00:47:29.740 Lil loves of my life. And it's a picture of her with two of her kids, not the third one. I don't

00:47:34.920 know. And then posted two hearts. Well, Elon Musk responded to her, to this baby mama with like

00:47:41.100 one of those smiley faces with the hearts all around it. And she responded to him with a heart.

00:47:47.040 Now, as far as I know, they were never romantically involved. They just had an arrangement where via IVF,

00:47:51.660 she gave birth to his kids. And on top of that, Elon Musk's mom, May Musk, also like quote posted,

00:48:02.080 I still say quote tweeted, Siobhan Zillis's post with like different hearts approving of it. I'm

00:48:09.440 sorry. I just think that is all intentional. It's almost a way to punish Ashley and to show like

00:48:15.380 you're not really a part of this. And from other reporting, I've seen May Musk and Ashley have met

00:48:21.540 before, but May Musk has never had any interaction with their child, their apparent child. Again,

00:48:28.180 we don't have yet verification of it, but we also don't have denial. Elon Musk posted this

00:48:34.800 yesterday at 3.15 a.m. For some reason, I find the history of Genghis Khan particularly

00:48:42.060 interesting. Winky face. And then he links to a podcast. Now, Genghis Khan was a 12th century 0.87

00:48:49.340 Mongol ruler who had hundreds of children. This was part of his conquering tactic. According to a

00:48:56.620 2003 study by Genetic Literary Project, there is evidence that Genghis Khan's DNA was present in

00:49:02.260 about 16 million men alive at the time. What?

00:49:08.640 That is so strange. That's crazy. That is crazy. So anyway, I don't know. I guess that he is kind

00:49:19.140 of flippantly and jokingly being like, yeah, I'm 53 years old, but I'm still sowing my wild oats

00:49:25.320 and inseminating and impregnating as many women as possible like Genghis Khan, which is strange.

00:49:32.300 That's just a strange hero to have. Now, let's look at some prior interaction between Ashley

00:49:39.300 and Elon. This one, I think, is particularly relevant to this conversation. Ashley said,

00:49:44.720 there's no sin as cruel as alienating a child from a parent, seeing so much of this everywhere.

00:49:49.200 This is last year. Actually, like it would be while she was pregnant. So this is the end of July.

00:49:55.880 And Elon Musk said, yeah. And Ashley St. Clair said, it must stop. You know, this almost is like

00:50:03.860 the is it is this all a patriarchy Hannah thing? Like, are we all being trolled? Are we all being

00:50:09.620 duped here? Now, let's get into congratulations gate, because I don't have any more details on what's

00:50:16.920 happening with Ashley or what's going to happen with Ashley. I will give more of like my personal

00:50:24.340 thoughts on this. And we have to start with the congratulations, because this is a debate. And I

00:50:30.740 do think it's important because I like thinking through Christian ethics and like, what is the

00:50:35.580 right thing to do? And how do we balance the truth and standing firm in the truth and showing compassion

00:50:40.200 and love? Because every single person involved in the story is made in the image of God. We want

00:50:44.780 every single person involved in the story to be redeemed and to know that they are loved by God,

00:50:49.560 that they were beautifully and wonderfully made, that they have value, that they have purpose,

00:50:54.500 that they will never understand that purpose outside of their creator, that Christ died for

00:50:58.320 them, that Elon Musk, like the true measure of a man is Christ. And it's not conquering women. It's

00:51:05.240 not being a one man show trying to repopulate the earth. That's not it. Like you are not God. You are

00:51:12.340 not God. And so I want those kinds of good things for every single person involved. And of course,

00:51:17.520 I really want the protection of this baby. And that's really like where my heart is. I think

00:51:23.380 about this like helpless child in the midst of all of this that I truly believe was purposely created

00:51:31.040 to be fatherless. And that is, that's my thing here. Knowing what I know about Elon Musk, both what

00:51:36.720 he said publicly and what I have heard privately on really good authority is that like he is out to

00:51:43.440 create as many children as possible, that he has offered to, um, give his sperm to quite a few

00:51:50.040 women so that they can use it via IVF to have children simply because there should be more 1.00

00:51:55.240 babies. Um, and so I don't believe that this was a mistake. Like, I don't believe that the richest,

00:52:02.300 most powerful man in the world got caught up in the heat of the moment with a conservative

00:52:07.180 commentator and said, whoops, I forgot a condom. I'm sorry. I don't buy that. I don't buy that

00:52:11.720 narrative. I think that this was purposeful creation of a child. And as I've said, when I am

00:52:17.900 talking about IVF and surrogacy, when it comes to gay couples, when I talk about sperm donation or egg 0.98

00:52:25.880 donation for any kind of couple, the intentional creation of a motherless or fatherless child is

00:52:33.260 cruel. It is wrong. The baby is the victim of that. Now that doesn't mean that I am,

00:52:41.720 trying to heap coals on people who find themselves in that situation, like as a single mother, I

00:52:49.640 understand there are some circumstances that are different than others, but in this one, it does

00:52:55.160 seem intentional. And so when Ashley announced this, there were a lot of people who congratulated

00:53:02.280 a lot of conservatives and, and Christians who congratulated her and say, congratulations,

00:53:07.200 enjoy this time with your baby. Other people didn't say congratulations, but they simply said,

00:53:12.720 you know, like praying for you or gosh, journalists or, you know, the worst or whatever. And obviously I

00:53:19.600 agree with some of those sentiments. I did not say congratulations. And I stand by not saying

00:53:26.280 congratulations. One, there are a few reasons for this. Like one, I don't really know, Ashley,

00:53:31.040 like I don't think that we are obligated to say congratulations to every single person on the

00:53:35.520 internet. But number two, the tone of her announcement did not seem celebratory. And so a

00:53:40.840 response of congratulations just didn't seem appropriate. It just seemed like a mismatch of

00:53:48.380 tone. But also it almost seemed to me like it would be an endorsement of, or at least an ignoring

00:54:02.880 of the circumstances in which this baby, I believe was very purposely created. And I did not congratulate,

00:54:12.900 for example, Dave Rubin and his partner, when he announced that they were welcoming two babies via

00:54:18.280 surrogate. And I actually explained my reasoning at the time as gently as I possibly could, but I also

00:54:23.740 wanted to explain it because I felt like it would help Christians think through this. And it's not 0.99

00:54:28.340 because these babies are any less valuable. It's not even because any of these people are bad parents

00:54:34.840 and don't love their kids. It is because, again, I cannot be a part of the celebration of the

00:54:40.000 intentional creation of a motherless or fatherless child or the purposeful breaking of the natural

00:54:48.940 process of conception and gestation, which I believe babies have to pay the price for.

00:54:53.960 It does not mean that I don't value that child, because, of course, I absolutely do. But there

00:55:01.780 are different responses that I would give than congratulations in the midst of something like

00:55:08.160 this. I said this on X, which a lot of people were very angry about. I said, if a friend told me she's

00:55:14.140 pregnant out of wedlock, particularly with a guy she barely knows, my response would be, wow, 0.82

00:55:19.840 thank you for telling me. I'll be with you every step of the way. You want to meet up so we can

00:55:25.160 talk? Saying congratulations in that scenario just doesn't seem right in light of what I believe

00:55:30.180 about marriage and family. Now, based on some of the responses to me, you would have thought

00:55:34.580 that I suggested that you, I don't know, flick the person in the forehead, kick her in the shins and 0.99

00:55:41.360 run away and say, I'm never supporting you. Like you would have thought that I suggested some kind 0.98

00:55:46.720 of callousness or cruelty toward this person. There were people saying, like, well, a mom is

00:55:52.680 still a mom, no matter what. She's still a mom. OK. There were people saying we shouldn't keep

00:55:59.020 judgment on someone. OK. I never said that. Here's an unofficial sign of intelligence. Can you respond

00:56:04.560 to the actual argument that is being made? If you can't and you decide to come up with like a new

00:56:10.160 argument that is not being made and come up with a response to this non-existent argument, OK, then you've

00:56:14.980 completely lost the plot. Then we're not even having a conversation anymore. You're having a

00:56:18.020 conversation with yourself. So I just suggested support and love, but not congratulations.

00:56:25.000 However, I always like you can trust that I'm always going back and forth with my own self in

00:56:30.380 my head. Like I'm always playing devil's advocate for my own arguments. I am arguing with myself.

00:56:35.720 I'm picking holes in my argument. I'm trying to see the exceptions to my argument. And so I did read

00:56:41.220 some of the replies and some of the replies were disagreeing, but totally respectful. And I always

00:56:45.360 appreciate that. And I heard some people's stories about how they got pregnant out of wedlock and they

00:56:51.340 were so thankful when people congratulated them because it made them feel excited and not alone

00:56:56.840 and not scared anymore. But then I also heard from women in my own following, I had a woman reach out 1.00

00:57:03.360 to me and say she got pregnant out of wedlock and it was a really, really sad situation. And she kept 1.00

00:57:09.700 the baby and it always felt really weird when people congratulated her right after she got

00:57:15.520 pregnant and announced it. She said, it just didn't feel appropriate at the time. She said,

00:57:19.640 now I've given birth and like, it does feel more appropriate now, but it felt weird at the time

00:57:25.980 when people congratulated. And I understand Ashley like has already had the baby. I'm just giving

00:57:30.980 like an analogous scenario in which I would know a friend who told me something. If I had a friend,

00:57:36.960 it'd be weird if I didn't know that she was like, had been pregnant and given birth.

00:57:41.900 So I started thinking about this and going back and forth in light of like some of the testimonies

00:57:47.360 that were given to me. And really like my thought is on congratulations is that it really depends.

00:57:55.660 Like it really depends. It really depends on the relationship. It really depends on the tone of like

00:58:03.320 the announcement. I think it depends on the circumstances. For example, like if you had a

00:58:09.400 friend who had been raped and that's how the baby had been conceived, and then they told you you're 0.50

00:58:14.480 pregnant, you probably wouldn't say congratulations. You would say, wow, this baby is made in the image 0.99

00:58:19.500 of God and God has a plan for you. God has a plan for this baby. And I will be with you every step of

00:58:24.780 the way. Don't you worry about anything because I am here. And if you want to bring more people in to help,

00:58:30.260 we can do that. We don't have to, but I am here for you, girl. Like there are just different

00:58:35.380 circumstances that solicit different kinds of responses. To me, this Ashley St. Clair situation

00:58:40.200 did not feel like a situation in which congratulations would be appropriate. Again, other things like if I

00:58:50.100 knew that a woman had welcomed a baby via surrogacy, while that baby is a blessing, I don't agree with the 0.95

00:58:57.120 purposeful brokenness that was caused by taking this baby away from the only home and woman that

00:59:02.740 he has ever known in the primal wound that is purposely being caused there and that was intended

00:59:07.660 to be caused there when that baby was conceived. And in this situation, I think that there was

00:59:12.660 intended brokenness before this baby was actually conceived. And so I just couldn't be a part of any

00:59:21.100 kind of celebration of that, even though I truly, again, wish the best for this child and wish the

00:59:27.200 best for Ashley. Like I really am sad that she probably is going through and has gone through so

00:59:34.720 much turmoil over the past few months. I don't know if she realizes that she made a mistake. If this was

00:59:40.480 an error, I don't know. But gosh, I just hope that she knows that no one is ever too far gone,

00:59:47.520 that you are never past the point of redemption. I know her caption was past the point of no return,

00:59:53.640 but spiritually, there's no such thing. And that God can always save you. And of course,

00:59:57.900 that's true for Elon Musk. And I just like hope for her protection. But I also think it's a lesson

01:00:02.560 for all of us. It's a lesson to remember. I got asked on Alex Clark's podcast a few months ago,

01:00:09.840 like, what's one thing you would change in our culture? And I said, if there's one thing I could

01:00:13.480 change overnight, it would be that sex only exists within marriage. That wouldn't fix everything,

01:00:19.660 but it would fix a lot. Like think about the reduction of STDs, of any kind of sexual abuse,

01:00:27.340 of unwanted pregnancies, of broken hearts and broken bodies. Like if every single person on earth

01:00:37.120 only had sex and only had sexual contact within marriage, like think about the lives and the

01:00:44.820 innocence that would be protected. There would be no pornography, again, no trafficking, no child

01:00:51.360 sex trafficking. Like think about how many huge issues would be solved and how many kids would be

01:00:58.240 provided with the stable home that they deserve. In 2019, 2020, Ashley St. Clair was absolutely correct.

01:01:05.520 Like kids need a stable home. They need stable parents. They need a mom and a dad.

01:01:14.560 And so I just, I have, again, just so many thoughts about all of this. And I appreciate those who said,

01:01:25.880 you know, it's okay to go back and forth when you're talking about like, should we congratulate?

01:01:30.620 When should we congratulate? I don't regret my decision when it comes to like Ashley St. Clair

01:01:35.940 or Dave Rubin. I know there are two different situations. I still think it's possible to show

01:01:40.400 love and support, but I also understand my friends who are sincerely pro-life, totally Christian.

01:01:46.940 They do not believe in premarital sex or anything like that, who do think that it's better to 1.00

01:01:52.400 congratulate on the existence of the baby. And I totally understand that. And again,

01:01:58.200 I think it depends. I just think it depends. Got a couple more thoughts on this debate in just a

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01:02:47.540 So some people were saying a take that I really disagree with. And that was like,

01:02:51.300 if you don't congratulate, uh, then you are pro-abortion or like, aren't we pro-life? So

01:02:57.680 that means we should congratulate. People are really confused about what it means to be pro-life,

01:03:01.340 man. People are really confused. I've had some people on this show say you have to be pro-surrogacy,

01:03:05.980 pro-IVF, pro, uh, you know, two men or two women using like a sperm cellar or egg cellar, uh, because

01:03:13.520 you're pro-life. Pro-life does not mean you approve of every circumstance of conception.

01:03:18.480 Like being pro-life doesn't mean we agree with all methods of making a baby. We just don't believe

01:03:24.520 in killing existing babies. We actually think that the pro-life cause even extends to those embryos

01:03:30.960 that are created and so often destroyed, um, through things like the IVF process. And so this idea that

01:03:38.240 you have to, uh, be okay with, it wasn't even just congratulate, but be okay with Ashley Sinclair and

01:03:46.160 Elon Musk, like making this baby or how Elon Musk has made all of these babies or else you're not

01:03:51.920 pro-life. I'm just not buying it. I'm sorry. I'm just not buying it. There were a lot of replies

01:03:55.800 under her tweet saying, yay, more based babies. We need more babies. This is awesome. CJ Pearson,

01:04:01.820 he said, I see far too many self-righteous and tired individuals pouncing on St. Claire Ashley for

01:04:06.460 having a child out of wedlock instead of commending her for choosing life. Okay. Can I just say something

01:04:10.380 to this? This is not a crisis pregnancy. Okay. She has a baby supposedly with the richest, most

01:04:17.440 powerful man in the world. This was not a situation in which it was like, oh my gosh, whoops. I don't

01:04:23.400 think it does not appear that way from everything that we know. Okay. I think that this was again,

01:04:29.820 very intentional. I don't think that she was at risk of aborting her baby. And also like, of course we

01:04:36.560 want everyone to choose life and I believe, and doing everything we can to help people choose life.

01:04:41.580 But if that is the bar, if that's the bar that at least the child wasn't murdered,

01:04:47.120 then the bar for any kind of morality is on the floor, maybe even below that.

01:04:54.540 So I just don't think that's a, I don't think that's a good argument. We can love all babies,

01:04:59.660 know that all babies are of equal value, made in the image of God, and still not endorse every

01:05:05.260 circumstance of conception. How babies are made in addition to how they're raised and how they are

01:05:11.340 treated actually matters if we want to be truly thoughtful pro-lifers. And I know my friends,

01:05:18.320 some of who congratulated and some of whom didn't, like we all agree on that, even if we didn't agree

01:05:23.180 on this particular congratulations. But to those who think we should just endorse every kind of baby

01:05:28.220 making, I'm just not there. Christians, you know, we're against the world and we have a responsibility 1.00

01:05:34.500 to think a lot harder than everyone else. And that means that sometimes we are not going to be

01:05:41.820 understood, but we believe that like love is a verb. It's not just some kind of like, you know,

01:05:48.140 trite well-wish. Like it is something that we actually do and that we show up and support these

01:05:53.760 women who are in need. So again, just to end this, it's kind of appropriate. Make sure that you go

01:05:58.780 to that link in my description of this episode and donate to the Pregnancy Center in honor of my

01:06:06.880 birthday. All right. That's the breakdown that we've got for you today. We'll be back here tomorrow.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - February 18, 2025

Ep 1142 ｜ Piecing Together Elon Musk & Ashley St. Clair's Puzzling Romance

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