Ep 1142 ｜ Piecing Together Elon Musk & Ashley St. Clair's Puzzling Romance
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Summary
On Valentine s Day, conservative commentator Ashley St. Clair announced that five months ago, she welcomed a child with Elon Musk. But there s a lot of controversy within this that I think is worth discussing and debating as Christians.
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On Valentine's Day, conservative commentator Ashley St. Clair announced that five months ago,
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she welcomed a child with Elon Musk. But there's a lot of controversy within this that I think is
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worth discussing and debating as Christians. But first, we've got a very important announcement
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about the subject of yesterday's episode, Patriarchy Hannah. So let's get into it.
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Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Tuesday. Hope everyone is having a wonderful week so far.
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Well, I am thanking the Lord that today is my 33rd birthday. I am so grateful for life and just
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everything that the Lord has so graciously blessed me with. I love being a wife and a mom and getting
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to talk to you guys so many times a week. I am so, so grateful that the Lord has blessed me so far
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beyond anything I could ever possibly deserve. And first and foremost, he has offered us his son
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as redemption from our sins. And he has reached the standard that I could never reach so that I
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could be reconciled to God, friends with God, have salvation, be sanctified, be free from sin,
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and one day spend forever with him. And that is what I am most thankful for today and every day.
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And thank you guys so much for adding so much flavor and richness to my life. I wouldn't be able to do
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this if it weren't for you. So thank you so much. In honor of my birthday, I would love for you guys,
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we've done this for a few years now, to donate to a pregnancy center in Texas. If you came to share
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the arrows, you're probably familiar with Prestonwood Pregnancy Center. We've also had the director,
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Leanne, on the show a couple times. I know firsthand that they are doing amazing work that by the grace
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of God is changing and saving lives. And they have just opened up a new center in another part of Texas.
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So now they have two centers and they really need items, especially at this new pregnancy center.
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So they need diapers, they need wipes, they need all kinds of stuff that they offer to pregnant women
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who are in need. And if you've been following for a while, you probably remember those pictures or
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videos that we post after you all have so generously donated these items through the Amazon Baby Registry,
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not just to Prestonwood Pregnancy Center, but to a variety of pregnancy centers across the country.
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And they're just always so touching. They're always so amazing, seeing just the magnitude of
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your generosity and Christian love manifesting itself in the giving of material resources. It's just so
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amazing. And you've heard this story before, if you've been listening for a while, but if you
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haven't, this always just like touches my heart so much that Leanne, the director of Prestonwood
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Pregnancy Center tells this amazing story. A couple of years ago, we did what we do. We posted the link
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and you guys generously donated lots and lots of items through Amazon to Prestonwood Pregnancy Center.
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Well, the Amazon driver who was dropping off the boxes at the center was like, what in the world is
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going on? This is like, I don't think I've ever dropped off this many boxes at one location. And so
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the volunteers and the staff at PPC got to tell them, got to tell this man what they do, what their
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mission is. And then right there, one of the male staffers at Prestonwood Pregnancy Center got to lead
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that man to Christ. And that man right there bowed his head, prayed, and became a Christian because
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of the gospel sharing, the evangelism of one of the people that works at PPC. And that arrangement was
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made possible because of your generosity. So when it looks like God is doing one thing, he's actually
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doing a million things. Many we cannot see, but he also gives us the privilege sometimes to see
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exactly what part of the constellation of someone's testimony we are playing a role in. So this is like
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not just tangible, material, temporal stuff. We are talking about an eternal impact. So if you could
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please go to the link in the description, donate via Amazon, it'll be sent directly to their center and
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you could literally help save a life. One more announcement. We've got a marriage Q&A, a relationship
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Q&A for Blaze TV subscribers coming out very soon. Brie, when is it coming out?
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Friday. It's coming out on Friday. Blaze TV subscribers, go to blazetv.com slash Allie. Go ahead
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So go to blazetv.com slash Allie. That marriage Q&A will be out this Friday. All right. We are going
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to get into Elon Musk and Ashley St. Clair and why it matters, but I do want to give an update on the
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Patriarchy Hannah situation that has developed over the past 24 hours. So I won't read, I won't even
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give a recap. It would take too long. If you don't know what I'm talking about, just go and listen to
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or watch yesterday's episode. This person, Jennifer Bayes, Patriarchy Hannah on X, reactivated her
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account yesterday to apologize. And so she is now owning up to the fact that she did lie about her
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identity. She was denying all of this just a few days ago before she deactivated her account.
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She was accusing people of doxing her and doxing people that she didn't know. She was accusing people
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of slander and pushing lies. Well, now she has owned up to it. So she said this, I just want to
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say that I am sorry for the lies I told and the hurt I caused. I never intended for this account to
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become as big as it did. And once things started snowballing, I enjoyed the relationships I'd built
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and didn't know how to put an end to it. It was wrong of me. I have repented of this behavior.
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And will not be back on X. I'm sorry to everyone I hurt with my lies. Some things that have been said
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are true. And some things are wildly inaccurate. But I don't see a point in sorting it all out.
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The bottom line is that I am not who I presented myself to be. I'm not going to be giving my reasons
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for why I started because I am not looking for sympathy here. It was wrong. And I humbly hope that
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you all can find it in your hearts to forgive me in the future. Please stop reaching out to my
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family. They're aware of the situation, but are very freaked out by people trying to make contact
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with them. They didn't do anything to deserve this attention. I'm sure you understand. I don't think
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people should be reaching out to her family either. But just to be fair, she did put them in this
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situation. They're probably more freaked out that she was taking pictures of houses across the street
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from their property saying it was her own. And that is actually how people found out who her parents
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actually were and their different addresses. And so she did put her family in this very precarious
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position. So some people congratulated her basically for being courageous. A lot of people said,
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you know what, this took strength. You're going in the right direction. Others expressed a sentiment
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of hoping that she repents and hoping that she turns to the Lord and that this is a new chapter in her
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life. And others sent responses saying, I think understandably, hey, I'm still hurt and I need you
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to I need you to do some things because we were actually friends. And this is where I think it's
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really sad. There were people who put their trust in this person that they thought was real, who took
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marriage advice from her and even sent her different baby items thinking that she was adopting or fostering
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a new baby, as she said. So here's an example. One person on X said, I showed you a picture of my
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son with Santa. Please delete that and don't do anything shameful with it. I don't care about
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anything other than that. That's my baby. I shouldn't have sent that thinking I knew you.
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That's just heartbreaking. You think that you are protecting the privacy of your child because you
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are sending your picture to someone that you know and that you have grown to trust, that you've
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probably shared details of your life with. And now you feel like you've made your child vulnerable,
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put your picture into the hands of a fraud. Patriarchy Hannah said, don't worry, I will delete
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right now. Now, the reason that is a very odd response, don't worry, I will delete right now
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for a number of reasons. If my friend sends me a picture of her child, oh, look, it's so and so
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they're starting to walk. They're so sweet. Whatever. First of all, like, I love it. That's great.
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I'm not saving that picture. Like, there would be no reason for me to save a picture of a friend's
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child, especially someone that I knew just over the internet. So I think it's strange that she
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immediately remembered that she had this particular picture, that she knew exactly where it was,
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that she could say that she would delete it. I think it's weird that she had saved this picture
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on her phone. But the reason why it's even weirder is because someone I love to follow,
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she goes by Lou in Alaska on X. She said that she had spoken to Jennifer, aka Hannah,
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woman to woman, face to face. I don't think actually in person, maybe on FaceTime, but she said,
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we've agreed that I can share the following. She recognizes that much of the information,
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photos, personal info she has gotten from connections as Hannah is sensitive, could cause
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alarm among those who felt close enough to share it with her. She says that she has erased the
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messages containing this info and will honor the privacy of the people who trusted her with those
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things. Okay. And I trust that Lou in Alaska, like, actually talked to her. She wouldn't just make that
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up. Okay. So she promised to Lou in Alaska, I've deleted that. And then later, this post comes out
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where she's apologizing and she responds to one of the replies saying, hey, please delete that picture
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I sent you of my son. And she says, I'm deleting now. Okay. Well, why hadn't you already done that?
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Because you said that you had, and now you're saying, oh, I'm going to do that. And then one
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person named Monica asked, what did you do with all the baby gifts people sent you? Patriarchy Hannah
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said, I received five baby gifts and they were all used for a baby. Well, they're not her babies
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because she wasn't really fostering and adopting. She didn't really have the 14 children.
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She said that she did. And so we don't know what, what baby, who's baby. And again, these people spent
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their hard earned dollars. It doesn't matter if it was $4 or maybe $400 on a nice stroller. We don't
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know. They spent their hard earned dollars on a gift for someone who they believed really needed it
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financially for a vulnerable child that she was helping. Okay. Like that is swindling. And she
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doesn't say here, okay, don't worry. I'm going to pay you back. Don't worry. I'll Venmo you or I'll
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make sure that you get your money back. I mean, think about like the stories of the tax collectors
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that Jesus redeemed, there was a repaying involved in the repentance, um, that they,
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that they exercised. And so I think it's strange to just say, well, yeah, I got the five,
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got the five presents and I gave it to a baby. No indication that there's going to be any payback
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there. I just feel sorry for those who were swindled. There's a little bit more on this.
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Just a few days ago, Patriarchy Hannah, before she deactivated her account and realized, okay,
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people are really onto me. I'm not going to be able to squirrel out of this one. She was tweeting
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on Valentine's Day, for example, they were so close, but so far better luck next time. Maybe
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no hard feelings to everyone caught up in it. I understand how Christian Twitter loves a scandal.
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So she's basically saying none of this is true, or maybe part of it is true. And I'm not mad at you
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for being caught up in that, uh, you know, the, the lies about me. She would have probably said,
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um, she said also it's worse than y'all think actually I'm really a fed. So there she is using
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sarcasm and jokes about this. There's also a question of like one of the anonymous accounts
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that we talked about yesterday. Um, it's a newly made account like Dr. Roxo or something. We don't
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know if it is her, if it's this Jennifer Bayes person or not, we don't know who it is, but this
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account, it's still up again. You can go back and listen to this part of yesterday's episode.
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Um, but it's threatening Ryan Duff. The guy who has uncovered all of this is like trying to drag him
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through the mud and say, like, remember when you did this and it doesn't really make a whole lot
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of sense. And like, you've got a target on your back. We can play this game. I don't know who else
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this would be. We don't know who it is, but obviously if it is Jennifer Bayes, that's just
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another reason to believe that the repentance is just not real. I think that you have to be extremely,
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extremely cautious with pathological liars. I'm not saying that we should not express a desire for
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her to repent and to find satisfaction and truth in Christ because of course we want that for
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absolutely everyone, but she does not deserve your celebrations or congratulations for being
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courageous because we are also, um, already rather seen discrepancies in her story now. And when you
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have a pathological line problem, things don't necessarily make sense. Okay. And you can't take
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anything they say at face value as sincere as they might come across. And so, uh, also I don't
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actually see this included in here, but, um, someone said, Oh, you should stick around and make this a
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parody account. Don't get off X. And her reply was, we'll see. Okay. Well, you just said that you were
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going to get off X as a matter of repentance and getting your life together. Then you respond to
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someone's reply that you should stick around and make a different kind of content with, we'll see.
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You shouldn't even be replying. You shouldn't be replying to anyone. You need to deactivate your
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account. And I'm asking all of you to not follow or interact with this person and to, uh, just have
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your antennae up and to just be critical thinkers about everyone and everything. And I'm not going
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to sit here and say, you can't trust anyone, but you can trust me. Of course I, you know, you can,
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you can trust me. Of course I say that. And I want you to know that I'm trustworthy, but ultimately I
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don't care about that. Like, I want you to question everything and everyone online. I just want you
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to remember that Jesus Christ is who he says he is, is real, is trustworthy. And when everything else
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seems fake and deceiving, you can rest in that and that his word is reliable. I really don't care
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what you think of me or what you think of anyone else. Quite frankly, I think that we should kind of
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be skeptical of everyone to a certain degree in, in the public eye. Um, but I want you to know for sure
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that you can trust in God and that none of this, a professing Christian, like faking an identity,
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none of this makes him less trustworthy or the faith that he founded less trustworthy. All right. Um,
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now let's get into Elon Musk and Ashley St. Clair. And you might think, well, Ali, isn't this just
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internet gossip? It doesn't really matter. Well, the trad movement was a growing movement with a lot
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of influence. A lot of people were duped by this. I think it was worth asking why, like what is actually
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behind that? And for us to just all check ourselves and make sure that we are discerning. Plus it was
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just interesting. Um, and then this Ashley St. Clair, Elon Musk story absolutely matters because Elon
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Musk is arguably the most powerful man in the world right now, probably tied with Donald Trump,
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his procreation of a child with a prominent young conservative commentator and the online
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controversy that ensued after the existence of the child was announced, um, give so much insight into
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where the right, if you can even call us that, uh, is in the United States, what our values are,
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what we deeply disagree on, what our obligation is as Christian conservatives. Like there is just so
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much to discuss and debate after we get into the details of what actually happened. So if you have
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no idea what I'm talking about, buckle up on Valentine's day, conservative influencer, Ashley
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St. Clair posted on X that she gave birth to Elon Musk's baby five months ago, claiming she was forced
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to make the bombshell announcement due to threats of prime tabloid reporters. So I saw this
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post on, um, on Valentine's night and I literally woke up chief related, bro. I was like, uh, uh,
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and he was like, what, uh, uh, Ashley St. Clair and Elon Musk had a baby. And he was like, what,
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what? He was like, am I dreaming? No, no, they didn't. And I was like, yes, they did. And before I woke
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him up, I verified that this was real because I almost thought it was a joke. I thought it was,
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I don't know, some kind of strange satire or prank or something. And then I dug into it and I asked a
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journalist friend, I was like, is this real? Because I saw that this person had replied to
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Ashley St. Clair and the journalist was like, yes, this is real. Okay. So then I was digging into this
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and going down the rabbit hole for a very long time that night and the next day, because I was
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just kind of naive that this, that something like this could happen. I, I don't know. I'm just not
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paying that much attention to these two people. Elon Musk, I'm paying attention to in so far as like
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his influence on the government, but I'm not checking his Twitter very much. Ashley St. Clair,
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I'll get into like our kind of back and forth a little bit, but these are just not people I really
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closely follow on social media. And so I was just taken aback. So a little bit more about Ashley.
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She was formerly employed by the Babylon Bee. She wrote a children's book in 2021 with brave books
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titled elephants are not birds. And so this is like an analogy for the gender madness. Ashley has become
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well known on X where she has a significant following over a million followers. She also appeared,
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if you'll remember, I think we talked about it on the show. So conservative dads, ultra right beer
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company. They did a calendar last year, I think this year too, where they've got like conservative
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influencers scantily clad or in bikinis and like very, very non-artistic and unflattering light
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and scenarios for like this conservative dad's calendar. I just think it's so bad in so many ways,
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artistically, morally, but anyway, she was in that calendar. Maybe you know her from that. Hopefully
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not. She has one child already with a chiropractor. I guess his name is public, but I don't know if I
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want to say it on this show. So she, she are, she's a single mom. They're not married. Some people are
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saying that she's married to this person, that her first child's dad, but she's not, they're not
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married. Um, I met Ashley a couple of years ago, briefly at a Babylon Bee event. She was, you know,
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super nice. We've had positive interactions, um, at least that I can remember. But like I said,
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I wasn't really paying that much attention to our content. I remember, uh, she was seemingly very
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anti Ron DeSantis, like trolled him pretty hard. Um, and his team during the primary, I was still am a
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big Ron DeSantis fan. So I thought that that was like off putting. I was just also surprised. It's
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one thing to prefer a certain candidate. I was surprised that she like went down the mocking
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lane of, uh, Ron DeSantis. I did notice that Elon interacted with her quite a bit on X. And like
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back when Elon took over Twitter, it was like always really exciting when he was responding to
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conservative commentators like, Oh my gosh. And like, whenever Elon replied, and probably this is
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probably still true replies to a post, the post like ends up going viral because his reach is so
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large. So I would see them sometimes going back and forth, but I don't really remember thinking much
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of this except for the fact that her influence, like her following on X had grown so much over the
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past few years. And maybe that's all organic. Maybe that has nothing to do with Elon Musk. I just
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recall taking note of that several months ago. And then where we had a negative interaction,
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was also a few months ago last year when she started going after Lila Rose. You'll remember
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in August, multiple conservatives criticized Trump for his seeming wishy-washiness on abortion. And
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Lila, the head of the pro-life organization live action was maybe like the most persistent,
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prominent voice criticizing Trump. She put some posts up talking about, uh, Trump's comments about
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vetoing a national ban on abortion, um, kind of like agreeing with the Supreme court about the
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legality of abortion pills. And then he came out at first against amendment four in Florida, and then
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switched on that. And then because of that, because Lila, which I think that she was genuinely trying to
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push Trump toward a more pro-life position, not trying to get Trump, uh, to lose. And, you know,
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Lila and I debated and discussed a lot of this at the time, um, privately and yeah, we had a lot of
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conversations about it. And so I, I, she wasn't trying to get Trump to lose. She was trying to
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sincerely do what she believed was right and most effective, um, at the time. But Ashley St.
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Claire, she decided to go after Lila and say, Lila Rose, the most prominent voice in the pro-life
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movement is telling you not to vote because Trump isn't principled enough. While she pays herself
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over a quarter of a million a year and uses $14 million in pro-life donations to throw luxury galas
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and pay for podcast appearances. Um, and she notes the salary that she gets and like, um, how many
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donations they get and where it's spent. And she was very upset apparently because live action wasn't
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sending enough money. She thought to pro-life pregnancy centers and so much was just spent on social
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media and stuff, which is all stupid. Like it was all stupid critique. And I went to bat for Lila at
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the time. First of all, she founded and runs a very large and influential organization. And so, no, I
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don't think her salary is too much. And it's just silly to even try to assert that, especially when
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we look at some of the details of Ashley St. Claire's, uh, deal and arrangement with Elon Musk,
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uh, but also live action is an educational organization. They're not a pregnancy center.
00:26:21.380
There are pregnancy centers that exist. There are organizations that exist to support pregnancy
00:26:27.100
centers. There are lots of different arms of the pro-life movement. Live action is a part of one arm
00:26:33.800
is really leading the charge in a lot of ways. And other organizations are leading the charge
00:26:37.660
in different ways. But Ashley went after her, I think very personally, um, and in a very manipulative
00:26:46.640
and conniving way, basically saying that she's just trying to get rich and she's swindling the pro-life
00:26:55.240
movement, claiming that Lila Rose is a grifter, all of that. And so we kind of went back and forth
00:27:01.680
during that time. So I wouldn't say that like we were on the best, like the best terms. Um,
00:27:09.040
2019 Ashley St. Claire said, bring back family values. This is what she said on X make monogamy
00:27:16.700
great again. It's okay to be a stay at home wife or mom. Femininity is beautiful. She also said in
00:27:23.900
2019, I refuse to live in a society where casual, irresponsible sex is valued more than children.
00:27:28.880
I refuse to live in a society where Planned Parenthood's profits are valued more than life.
00:27:33.760
I refuse to live in a society where feelings are valued more than human means. I think those are
00:27:38.400
all awesome statements. Um, and she also said men like tact in class. And so women should be more classy.
00:27:49.260
She, she posted in 2020, I just want a husband, two kids and a small farm. And 2023, she said,
00:27:59.500
ladies, please believe me when I say the media feminists are lying to you about sex. They are
00:28:03.740
actually very miserable women who want to validate their own horrible life choices by having you make
00:28:08.580
them. There was nothing more unliberating than the sexual liberation movement. Yeah, I agree with all
00:28:15.980
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Okay. So here's what she posted. She posted a screenshot or like a picture of text
00:30:00.040
on X on Valentine's night. She said five months ago, I welcomed the new baby into the world.
00:30:05.700
Elon Musk is the father. I have not previously disclosed this to protect our child's privacy
00:30:10.300
and safety, but in recent days, it has become clear that tabloid media intends to do so regardless
00:30:15.880
of the harm it will cause. I intend to allow our child to grow in a normal and safe environment.
00:30:21.780
For that reason, I asked that the media honor our child's privacy and refrain from invasive
00:30:28.140
reporting. Um, she also put like as the caption on her X post,
00:30:34.760
so that means the die is cast. So this signifies like a point of no return. The phrase is attributed
00:30:43.780
to Julius Caesar when he crossed the Rubicon in 49 BC. This is very like Elon Musk. He does things
00:30:50.480
like that. So she's saying the die is cast. I am putting this out there. It's the path that it's the
00:30:55.840
point of no return. So she is asking for privacy here, which I totally understand. Um, there should
00:31:06.460
be no journalists going after children. If she has decided, if they have decided to keep their
00:31:11.740
children private, then no one needs to know the name of the child, the gender of the child, what the
00:31:18.320
child looks like. I understand being interested in this story. Absolutely. Again, we've got like the
00:31:23.560
most powerful man in the world creating his 14th, maybe we don't really know how many kids he has,
00:31:29.860
but possibly 14th baby with a conservative commentator who has been very public about
00:31:34.500
believing in traditional socially conservative Christian values. Like that's a story. I understand
00:31:40.780
journalists being interested in wanting to tell that story, but if it is true that a journalist was
00:31:46.220
hounding her trying to get pictures of the child, then that is awful behavior. I actually think there
00:31:51.000
should be some kind of legal punishment for going after children like that. And I believe that she
00:31:56.120
is truly anxious about that and wants to protect her child. I have no doubt that she like loves her
00:32:00.740
babies and wants to protect them from the predation of these kinds of journalists. And she's talked about
00:32:06.600
people like stalking her and trying to get to her child. And I believe that she is very fearful of
00:32:11.680
that. And I hope and pray for their protection. Now, what is a little odd, and I understand this
00:32:17.680
is a PR strategy, and it was probably the crisis publicity firm, PR firm that she hired that told
00:32:22.880
her to do this. But it is strange that she puts out this thing. She's like, I just want total privacy.
00:32:27.800
I want my child to live a private life. But then she does a sit down interview with the New York
00:32:36.260
Post. So she did this on Saturday. And this was actually before she ended up announcing this on
00:32:44.800
X. But the article itself came out after she had announced it on X. According to this exclusive
00:32:53.860
interview, Ashley and Elon crossed paths on X in 2023, meeting in person for the first time when
00:33:01.200
Elon hosted the Babylon Bee at Twitter headquarters for an interview. They started talking via text.
00:33:08.300
He asked her to go to Providence, Rhode Island, like just a few hours after they met in San Francisco.
00:33:16.140
And I guess she did. Actually, the New York Post didn't say whether she did or not. But I assume
00:33:22.240
that that is what's being implied there. And apparently they were romantically involved for a period of time.
00:33:29.360
And she got pregnant. She claims to the New York Post that she was told by Elon to keep the
00:33:34.860
pregnancy a secret forever, that she was only allowed to tell a small, close-knit circle of
00:33:40.280
people. She claims that she really pushed back against the original agreement that he tried to
00:33:45.480
give her, which basically said, you can't even tell your other son about the existence of this baby.
00:33:51.500
And I guess the agreement that they ended up agreeing on that she ended up signing was like
00:33:58.440
a little more lax than that. But she was in total isolation. She said that she was put up in a really
00:34:04.140
swanky apartment, that she was given security, that she was given financial comfort by the world's
00:34:10.660
richest man. But that she was in total isolation. She didn't post anything on Instagram. She was
00:34:17.100
apparently isolated from her family. According to text messages between Ashley and Musk's money
00:34:24.020
manager, Jared Birchall, Musk wished to be left off the birth certificate to preserve privacy and
00:34:29.840
security. Ashley complied with this wish. So it's not even on the birth certificate of this poor child
00:34:36.320
that his or her, we actually don't know the gender of the baby, that the child's father is Elon Musk.
00:34:42.360
Despite this attempt at secrecy, Ashley said that Musk obsessed fans apparently began speculating
00:34:47.980
and began harassing her online and in person. She also says that a tabloid she doesn't want to
00:34:57.320
name started snooping around and that her hand has been forced to make this announcement by the media.
00:35:03.080
She also told the New York Post that she had not been in contact with Musk since making the statement,
00:35:07.940
but she said she notified his team before posting it on X. She claimed they ignored it. I think that
00:35:16.180
it's worth noting. So like I said, I kind of understand the PR strategy behind getting ahead of
00:35:22.960
the story and telling your story from your perspective to a trusted reporter or a reporter that
00:35:28.960
she thinks she can trust like the New York Post, which is pretty like conservative friendly. I understand
00:35:35.640
that. But it also looks a little strange when you were saying, I really want privacy. I just want a
00:35:42.800
normal life. And you let this reporter apparently, well, yes, not even apparently, it says in the story
00:35:49.880
that the reporter met at her swanky New York apartment and you let a photographer into your swanky
00:35:57.880
New York apartment. And you take these, what I think are kind of like suggestive photos in what almost
00:36:05.200
looks like lingerie in your apartment for this story. If I had been a publicist, I'm just talking
00:36:11.460
about from a strategic perspective, I would have said, okay, yes, let's tell the story. I don't know
00:36:17.980
if I would have picked the New York Post. I would have picked probably an independent journalist, but
00:36:22.000
let's tell your story. Make sure we get out ahead of it. Make sure it has all the details that we need.
00:36:27.980
No headshots, no pictures, because the pictures look like you're glamorizing it. It doesn't look
00:36:34.540
like you, your hand has been forced and that you are scared to protect your child. Now, maybe she
00:36:40.040
truly, I mean, I do think that she truly is and she wants to protect your child, but maybe she's not
00:36:46.460
trying to glorify it and she just made a mistake, but it really doesn't look good. And then another New
00:36:52.560
York Post article came out saying that she feels, quote, jilted and ghosted. Ashley's friend, Emma
00:36:59.880
Jo Morris, told the New York Post yesterday that Ashley felt jilted and terrified after Elon Musk
00:37:04.480
refused to come to her aid when reporters began to snoop around her. So Ashley got wind that a tabloid
00:37:11.280
was kicking the tires on her and she reached out to Elon immediately. He basically cut bait. And so the
00:37:16.500
message was understood that she was on her own. Morris said Ashley expected it would be an arrangement
00:37:21.480
similar to to that he has with his other baby mamas. OK, their words, not mine. She would raise the
00:37:27.520
child and Elon would be peripherally present in their lives. I mean, yeah, OK, I'll get to my feelings
00:37:34.300
about it in just a second. Morris said Musk's hostile actions left St. Clair with no choice but to tell
00:37:39.540
the story before anyone else could. Ashley St. Clair's rep, Brian Glicklich, told TMZ that she had been
00:37:46.400
respecting Elon's wish to keep their purported baby news, purported baby news private, but had no
00:37:51.960
choice when an unnamed tabloid reporter started hounding her, hinting they were hours from releasing
00:37:57.120
the story. Brian added that lately Elon and his team have completely ghosted Ashley despite her
00:38:03.800
reaching out multiple times. And this is just very sad. This this part is just so, so sad. So this
00:38:12.420
started unraveling later that night the next day on X after she posted her announcement. So Musk has
00:38:20.240
been on X. I'm sure he's seen it. He has posted about a variety of topics on X since Ashley's
00:38:26.220
announcement, but has not publicly acknowledged the allegation. So we have no verification from
00:38:31.100
Elon Musk about his paternity. According to a representative for Ashley, they said this. This is
00:38:37.920
Brian Glicklich. Ashley and Elon have been privately working towards the creation of an agreement about
00:38:43.400
raising their child for some time. It is disappointing that a tabloid reporter who repeatedly ambushed Ashley
00:38:49.540
and her family made it impossible to complete that process confidentially. We are waiting for Elon to
00:38:54.580
publicly acknowledge his parental role with Ashley to end unwarranted speculation. So Musk didn't respond to
00:39:02.600
any of this, but he did respond to Milo Yiannopoulos. Milo Yiannopoulos like really capitalized on this
00:39:10.600
moment and dug up some old posts. He says like his accusation is that Ashley St. Clair had been
00:39:17.960
planning this for a long time. So Ashley St. Clair Milo says, and you know, yeah, it's Milo Yiannopoulos.
00:39:26.900
So Ashley St. Clair plotted for half a decade to ensnare Elon Musk. This is an old tweet where she
00:39:33.840
said I it's confusing about like what she's actually referring to. But Ashley is responding to Greg
00:39:39.540
Price. She says, I need it to get Elon Musk's attention for a marriage proposal. Please, Greg.
00:39:44.780
I mean, it sounds to me like she's joking. Greg Price says he's got a kid with a woman already.
00:39:48.400
Seems unlikely to work out. Ashley St. Clair said, well, he actually has seven kids and goes through
00:39:54.240
women pretty fast. This was May of 2020. And she did a crying laughing emoji to me. I'm like, this
00:39:59.860
doesn't like really prove anything to me. It just looks like a joke. And then Elon Musk responds,
00:40:07.260
though, to Milo Yiannopoulos claiming that Ashley St. Clair has been plotting this since 2020, just
00:40:13.140
saying, whoa. And that is the first time we see him say anything about the announcement that Ashley
00:40:19.520
St. Clair gave birth to his child five months ago. And when he did that, I knew things were not going
00:40:26.980
well. And I my sadness for this whole situation really grew. So after Elon Musk said, whoa, to Milo
00:40:37.020
Yiannopoulos, Ash. So Ashley responded to him saying, Elon, we have been trying to communicate for the past
00:40:43.660
several days and you have not responded. When are you going to reply to us instead of publicly responding
00:40:49.520
to smears from an individual who just posted photos of me in underwear at 15 years old? I don't know
00:40:55.300
exactly what she's responding to or talking about. I guess Milo posted a picture of her like that.
00:41:02.000
So she ended up deleting that response. She also posted this on her own page. She said,
00:41:06.640
it's interesting that Elon, this is on the 15th, the day after she made the announcement,
00:41:12.240
is responding to this clearly in jest screenshot. So she's saying she was joking back in 2020 that was
00:41:18.240
discussed with his team months ago in a documented call. So I guess she's saying, yeah, he already knew
00:41:24.960
about this silly screenshot. Now he decides to respond to it publicly from an account that posted
00:41:30.020
underage photos of me as if he, Elon, wasn't asking me to have more children with him last week.
00:41:35.860
I would like to take this offline for a child's sake and have been attempting to for weeks.
00:41:42.400
Also, she posted, um, FYI, the security team on Elon's own platform locked the account, Milo's
00:41:51.860
account. He is now responding to for a week for posting a non-consensual underwear photo of me as
00:41:57.420
a child. So I think what she's trying to say is like, this is real. I can't believe that Elon is
00:42:03.040
responding to this account of all accounts that she's claiming. Like he knows that he knows that
00:42:09.500
Milo has like posted these things. I think that's what she's claiming. And he's responding anyway.
00:42:14.240
And this is the first response he gives to the announcement that Ashley St. Clair had his child.
00:42:21.420
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purchase. That's Jace.com code Allie. Okay. So Elon Musk also had, well, he has a child with a lot of
00:45:29.220
different people. He's got a child with Justine Wilson. He's got a child, three children with Canadian
00:45:36.880
pop star Grimes. I actually don't know that I knew that she had, that they had three children.
00:45:43.360
One son is Techno Mechanicus, because of course, rolls off the tongue. And I wouldn't typically like
00:45:51.300
say the names, but they have made these public, of course, themselves. Elon also has three children
00:45:57.980
with Neuralink executive Siobhan Zillis, born via surrogate. Two twins were born in 2021.
00:46:04.360
And then another child was born in 2024. So last year was a banner year for Elon Musk's
00:46:11.000
fertility. I don't know. Procreation. So these are the children that we know about. I don't know. I
00:46:19.800
truly don't know if we know all of Elon Musk's children. Now, most of these children were born
00:46:27.560
via IVF, and many of them were born via surrogacy. Remember, Elon Musk has been very public about
00:46:33.940
wanting to repopulate the earth. He has even made jokes before about, you know, having no problem
00:46:39.920
with repopulating, that he's doing his part. And he believes that depopulation is a big crisis,
00:46:45.900
which, of course, I agree that depopulation is a big crisis. And as I will get into in a second,
00:46:52.600
I don't think that this is the way to go about it. In fact, I know that it's not. But in the aftermath
00:46:59.060
of Ashley St. Clair, obviously, being extremely desperate, it seems to me, and I don't mean that
00:47:05.120
in like the pejorative sense, but like truly desperate, eager to try to connect with the
00:47:09.600
apparent father of her baby, he is responding to his other baby mama. I'm sorry. It's I don't know
00:47:17.480
how else to say it. It is their baby mamas, his other baby mama on X. So she happens to post.
00:47:23.700
And again, this just seems intentional to me. She posted in the midst of this,
00:47:29.740
Lil loves of my life. And it's a picture of her with two of her kids, not the third one. I don't
00:47:34.920
know. And then posted two hearts. Well, Elon Musk responded to her, to this baby mama with like
00:47:41.100
one of those smiley faces with the hearts all around it. And she responded to him with a heart.
00:47:47.040
Now, as far as I know, they were never romantically involved. They just had an arrangement where via IVF,
00:47:51.660
she gave birth to his kids. And on top of that, Elon Musk's mom, May Musk, also like quote posted,
00:48:02.080
I still say quote tweeted, Siobhan Zillis's post with like different hearts approving of it. I'm
00:48:09.440
sorry. I just think that is all intentional. It's almost a way to punish Ashley and to show like
00:48:15.380
you're not really a part of this. And from other reporting, I've seen May Musk and Ashley have met
00:48:21.540
before, but May Musk has never had any interaction with their child, their apparent child. Again,
00:48:28.180
we don't have yet verification of it, but we also don't have denial. Elon Musk posted this
00:48:34.800
yesterday at 3.15 a.m. For some reason, I find the history of Genghis Khan particularly
00:48:42.060
interesting. Winky face. And then he links to a podcast. Now, Genghis Khan was a 12th century
00:48:49.340
Mongol ruler who had hundreds of children. This was part of his conquering tactic. According to a
00:48:56.620
2003 study by Genetic Literary Project, there is evidence that Genghis Khan's DNA was present in
00:49:08.640
That is so strange. That's crazy. That is crazy. So anyway, I don't know. I guess that he is kind
00:49:19.140
of flippantly and jokingly being like, yeah, I'm 53 years old, but I'm still sowing my wild oats
00:49:25.320
and inseminating and impregnating as many women as possible like Genghis Khan, which is strange.
00:49:32.300
That's just a strange hero to have. Now, let's look at some prior interaction between Ashley
00:49:39.300
and Elon. This one, I think, is particularly relevant to this conversation. Ashley said,
00:49:44.720
there's no sin as cruel as alienating a child from a parent, seeing so much of this everywhere.
00:49:49.200
This is last year. Actually, like it would be while she was pregnant. So this is the end of July.
00:49:55.880
And Elon Musk said, yeah. And Ashley St. Clair said, it must stop. You know, this almost is like
00:50:03.860
the is it is this all a patriarchy Hannah thing? Like, are we all being trolled? Are we all being
00:50:09.620
duped here? Now, let's get into congratulations gate, because I don't have any more details on what's
00:50:16.920
happening with Ashley or what's going to happen with Ashley. I will give more of like my personal
00:50:24.340
thoughts on this. And we have to start with the congratulations, because this is a debate. And I
00:50:30.740
do think it's important because I like thinking through Christian ethics and like, what is the
00:50:35.580
right thing to do? And how do we balance the truth and standing firm in the truth and showing compassion
00:50:40.200
and love? Because every single person involved in the story is made in the image of God. We want
00:50:44.780
every single person involved in the story to be redeemed and to know that they are loved by God,
00:50:49.560
that they were beautifully and wonderfully made, that they have value, that they have purpose,
00:50:54.500
that they will never understand that purpose outside of their creator, that Christ died for
00:50:58.320
them, that Elon Musk, like the true measure of a man is Christ. And it's not conquering women. It's
00:51:05.240
not being a one man show trying to repopulate the earth. That's not it. Like you are not God. You are
00:51:12.340
not God. And so I want those kinds of good things for every single person involved. And of course,
00:51:17.520
I really want the protection of this baby. And that's really like where my heart is. I think
00:51:23.380
about this like helpless child in the midst of all of this that I truly believe was purposely created
00:51:31.040
to be fatherless. And that is, that's my thing here. Knowing what I know about Elon Musk, both what
00:51:36.720
he said publicly and what I have heard privately on really good authority is that like he is out to
00:51:43.440
create as many children as possible, that he has offered to, um, give his sperm to quite a few
00:51:50.040
women so that they can use it via IVF to have children simply because there should be more
00:51:55.240
babies. Um, and so I don't believe that this was a mistake. Like, I don't believe that the richest,
00:52:02.300
most powerful man in the world got caught up in the heat of the moment with a conservative
00:52:07.180
commentator and said, whoops, I forgot a condom. I'm sorry. I don't buy that. I don't buy that
00:52:11.720
narrative. I think that this was purposeful creation of a child. And as I've said, when I am
00:52:17.900
talking about IVF and surrogacy, when it comes to gay couples, when I talk about sperm donation or egg
00:52:25.880
donation for any kind of couple, the intentional creation of a motherless or fatherless child is
00:52:33.260
cruel. It is wrong. The baby is the victim of that. Now that doesn't mean that I am,
00:52:41.720
trying to heap coals on people who find themselves in that situation, like as a single mother, I
00:52:49.640
understand there are some circumstances that are different than others, but in this one, it does
00:52:55.160
seem intentional. And so when Ashley announced this, there were a lot of people who congratulated
00:53:02.280
a lot of conservatives and, and Christians who congratulated her and say, congratulations,
00:53:07.200
enjoy this time with your baby. Other people didn't say congratulations, but they simply said,
00:53:12.720
you know, like praying for you or gosh, journalists or, you know, the worst or whatever. And obviously I
00:53:19.600
agree with some of those sentiments. I did not say congratulations. And I stand by not saying
00:53:26.280
congratulations. One, there are a few reasons for this. Like one, I don't really know, Ashley,
00:53:31.040
like I don't think that we are obligated to say congratulations to every single person on the
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internet. But number two, the tone of her announcement did not seem celebratory. And so a
00:53:40.840
response of congratulations just didn't seem appropriate. It just seemed like a mismatch of
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tone. But also it almost seemed to me like it would be an endorsement of, or at least an ignoring
00:54:02.880
of the circumstances in which this baby, I believe was very purposely created. And I did not congratulate,
00:54:12.900
for example, Dave Rubin and his partner, when he announced that they were welcoming two babies via
00:54:18.280
surrogate. And I actually explained my reasoning at the time as gently as I possibly could, but I also
00:54:23.740
wanted to explain it because I felt like it would help Christians think through this. And it's not
00:54:28.340
because these babies are any less valuable. It's not even because any of these people are bad parents
00:54:34.840
and don't love their kids. It is because, again, I cannot be a part of the celebration of the
00:54:40.000
intentional creation of a motherless or fatherless child or the purposeful breaking of the natural
00:54:48.940
process of conception and gestation, which I believe babies have to pay the price for.
00:54:53.960
It does not mean that I don't value that child, because, of course, I absolutely do. But there
00:55:01.780
are different responses that I would give than congratulations in the midst of something like
00:55:08.160
this. I said this on X, which a lot of people were very angry about. I said, if a friend told me she's
00:55:14.140
pregnant out of wedlock, particularly with a guy she barely knows, my response would be, wow,
00:55:19.840
thank you for telling me. I'll be with you every step of the way. You want to meet up so we can
00:55:25.160
talk? Saying congratulations in that scenario just doesn't seem right in light of what I believe
00:55:30.180
about marriage and family. Now, based on some of the responses to me, you would have thought
00:55:34.580
that I suggested that you, I don't know, flick the person in the forehead, kick her in the shins and
00:55:41.360
run away and say, I'm never supporting you. Like you would have thought that I suggested some kind
00:55:46.720
of callousness or cruelty toward this person. There were people saying, like, well, a mom is
00:55:52.680
still a mom, no matter what. She's still a mom. OK. There were people saying we shouldn't keep
00:55:59.020
judgment on someone. OK. I never said that. Here's an unofficial sign of intelligence. Can you respond
00:56:04.560
to the actual argument that is being made? If you can't and you decide to come up with like a new
00:56:10.160
argument that is not being made and come up with a response to this non-existent argument, OK, then you've
00:56:14.980
completely lost the plot. Then we're not even having a conversation anymore. You're having a
00:56:18.020
conversation with yourself. So I just suggested support and love, but not congratulations.
00:56:25.000
However, I always like you can trust that I'm always going back and forth with my own self in
00:56:30.380
my head. Like I'm always playing devil's advocate for my own arguments. I am arguing with myself.
00:56:35.720
I'm picking holes in my argument. I'm trying to see the exceptions to my argument. And so I did read
00:56:41.220
some of the replies and some of the replies were disagreeing, but totally respectful. And I always
00:56:45.360
appreciate that. And I heard some people's stories about how they got pregnant out of wedlock and they
00:56:51.340
were so thankful when people congratulated them because it made them feel excited and not alone
00:56:56.840
and not scared anymore. But then I also heard from women in my own following, I had a woman reach out
00:57:03.360
to me and say she got pregnant out of wedlock and it was a really, really sad situation. And she kept
00:57:09.700
the baby and it always felt really weird when people congratulated her right after she got
00:57:15.520
pregnant and announced it. She said, it just didn't feel appropriate at the time. She said,
00:57:19.640
now I've given birth and like, it does feel more appropriate now, but it felt weird at the time
00:57:25.980
when people congratulated. And I understand Ashley like has already had the baby. I'm just giving
00:57:30.980
like an analogous scenario in which I would know a friend who told me something. If I had a friend,
00:57:36.960
it'd be weird if I didn't know that she was like, had been pregnant and given birth.
00:57:41.900
So I started thinking about this and going back and forth in light of like some of the testimonies
00:57:47.360
that were given to me. And really like my thought is on congratulations is that it really depends.
00:57:55.660
Like it really depends. It really depends on the relationship. It really depends on the tone of like
00:58:03.320
the announcement. I think it depends on the circumstances. For example, like if you had a
00:58:09.400
friend who had been raped and that's how the baby had been conceived, and then they told you you're
00:58:14.480
pregnant, you probably wouldn't say congratulations. You would say, wow, this baby is made in the image
00:58:19.500
of God and God has a plan for you. God has a plan for this baby. And I will be with you every step of
00:58:24.780
the way. Don't you worry about anything because I am here. And if you want to bring more people in to help,
00:58:30.260
we can do that. We don't have to, but I am here for you, girl. Like there are just different
00:58:35.380
circumstances that solicit different kinds of responses. To me, this Ashley St. Clair situation
00:58:40.200
did not feel like a situation in which congratulations would be appropriate. Again, other things like if I
00:58:50.100
knew that a woman had welcomed a baby via surrogacy, while that baby is a blessing, I don't agree with the
00:58:57.120
purposeful brokenness that was caused by taking this baby away from the only home and woman that
00:59:02.740
he has ever known in the primal wound that is purposely being caused there and that was intended
00:59:07.660
to be caused there when that baby was conceived. And in this situation, I think that there was
00:59:12.660
intended brokenness before this baby was actually conceived. And so I just couldn't be a part of any
00:59:21.100
kind of celebration of that, even though I truly, again, wish the best for this child and wish the
00:59:27.200
best for Ashley. Like I really am sad that she probably is going through and has gone through so
00:59:34.720
much turmoil over the past few months. I don't know if she realizes that she made a mistake. If this was
00:59:40.480
an error, I don't know. But gosh, I just hope that she knows that no one is ever too far gone,
00:59:47.520
that you are never past the point of redemption. I know her caption was past the point of no return,
00:59:53.640
but spiritually, there's no such thing. And that God can always save you. And of course,
00:59:57.900
that's true for Elon Musk. And I just like hope for her protection. But I also think it's a lesson
01:00:02.560
for all of us. It's a lesson to remember. I got asked on Alex Clark's podcast a few months ago,
01:00:09.840
like, what's one thing you would change in our culture? And I said, if there's one thing I could
01:00:13.480
change overnight, it would be that sex only exists within marriage. That wouldn't fix everything,
01:00:19.660
but it would fix a lot. Like think about the reduction of STDs, of any kind of sexual abuse,
01:00:27.340
of unwanted pregnancies, of broken hearts and broken bodies. Like if every single person on earth
01:00:37.120
only had sex and only had sexual contact within marriage, like think about the lives and the
01:00:44.820
innocence that would be protected. There would be no pornography, again, no trafficking, no child
01:00:51.360
sex trafficking. Like think about how many huge issues would be solved and how many kids would be
01:00:58.240
provided with the stable home that they deserve. In 2019, 2020, Ashley St. Clair was absolutely correct.
01:01:05.520
Like kids need a stable home. They need stable parents. They need a mom and a dad.
01:01:14.560
And so I just, I have, again, just so many thoughts about all of this. And I appreciate those who said,
01:01:25.880
you know, it's okay to go back and forth when you're talking about like, should we congratulate?
01:01:30.620
When should we congratulate? I don't regret my decision when it comes to like Ashley St. Clair
01:01:35.940
or Dave Rubin. I know there are two different situations. I still think it's possible to show
01:01:40.400
love and support, but I also understand my friends who are sincerely pro-life, totally Christian.
01:01:46.940
They do not believe in premarital sex or anything like that, who do think that it's better to
01:01:52.400
congratulate on the existence of the baby. And I totally understand that. And again,
01:01:58.200
I think it depends. I just think it depends. Got a couple more thoughts on this debate in just a
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So some people were saying a take that I really disagree with. And that was like,
01:02:51.300
if you don't congratulate, uh, then you are pro-abortion or like, aren't we pro-life? So
01:02:57.680
that means we should congratulate. People are really confused about what it means to be pro-life,
01:03:01.340
man. People are really confused. I've had some people on this show say you have to be pro-surrogacy,
01:03:05.980
pro-IVF, pro, uh, you know, two men or two women using like a sperm cellar or egg cellar, uh, because
01:03:13.520
you're pro-life. Pro-life does not mean you approve of every circumstance of conception.
01:03:18.480
Like being pro-life doesn't mean we agree with all methods of making a baby. We just don't believe
01:03:24.520
in killing existing babies. We actually think that the pro-life cause even extends to those embryos
01:03:30.960
that are created and so often destroyed, um, through things like the IVF process. And so this idea that
01:03:38.240
you have to, uh, be okay with, it wasn't even just congratulate, but be okay with Ashley Sinclair and
01:03:46.160
Elon Musk, like making this baby or how Elon Musk has made all of these babies or else you're not
01:03:51.920
pro-life. I'm just not buying it. I'm sorry. I'm just not buying it. There were a lot of replies
01:03:55.800
under her tweet saying, yay, more based babies. We need more babies. This is awesome. CJ Pearson,
01:04:01.820
he said, I see far too many self-righteous and tired individuals pouncing on St. Claire Ashley for
01:04:06.460
having a child out of wedlock instead of commending her for choosing life. Okay. Can I just say something
01:04:10.380
to this? This is not a crisis pregnancy. Okay. She has a baby supposedly with the richest, most
01:04:17.440
powerful man in the world. This was not a situation in which it was like, oh my gosh, whoops. I don't
01:04:23.400
think it does not appear that way from everything that we know. Okay. I think that this was again,
01:04:29.820
very intentional. I don't think that she was at risk of aborting her baby. And also like, of course we
01:04:36.560
want everyone to choose life and I believe, and doing everything we can to help people choose life.
01:04:41.580
But if that is the bar, if that's the bar that at least the child wasn't murdered,
01:04:47.120
then the bar for any kind of morality is on the floor, maybe even below that.
01:04:54.540
So I just don't think that's a, I don't think that's a good argument. We can love all babies,
01:04:59.660
know that all babies are of equal value, made in the image of God, and still not endorse every
01:05:05.260
circumstance of conception. How babies are made in addition to how they're raised and how they are
01:05:11.340
treated actually matters if we want to be truly thoughtful pro-lifers. And I know my friends,
01:05:18.320
some of who congratulated and some of whom didn't, like we all agree on that, even if we didn't agree
01:05:23.180
on this particular congratulations. But to those who think we should just endorse every kind of baby
01:05:28.220
making, I'm just not there. Christians, you know, we're against the world and we have a responsibility
01:05:34.500
to think a lot harder than everyone else. And that means that sometimes we are not going to be
01:05:41.820
understood, but we believe that like love is a verb. It's not just some kind of like, you know,
01:05:48.140
trite well-wish. Like it is something that we actually do and that we show up and support these
01:05:53.760
women who are in need. So again, just to end this, it's kind of appropriate. Make sure that you go
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to that link in my description of this episode and donate to the Pregnancy Center in honor of my
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birthday. All right. That's the breakdown that we've got for you today. We'll be back here tomorrow.