Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - February 27, 2025


Ep 1148 ｜ ‘Trump Gaza：’ Idolatry or Strategy？


Episode Stats

Length

56 minutes

Words per Minute

170.60294

Word Count

9,629

Sentence Count

796

Misogynist Sentences

16

Hate Speech Sentences

42


Summary


Transcript

00:00:00.000 In his pitch to purchase Gaza, Trump put out an AI-generated video where there is a golden
00:00:07.540 statue of Donald Trump in the middle of a city. And there's a lot more in this video that people
00:00:13.740 are finding very strange and troubling. And so we will break it all down. Also, Andrew Tate is
00:00:19.720 apparently headed for U.S. soil. What does this mean? How should we react to it? Plus, we've got
00:00:25.080 some debates that were sparked on X about children in weddings, children in airplanes. Are people
00:00:32.900 really safe to go to Israel? Oh, and by the way, we're responding to David French's mention of me
00:00:38.700 in the New York Times. We are getting into all of this in less than an hour today on Relatable.
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00:00:55.080 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Thursday. Hope everyone is having a wonderful week so far.
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00:02:16.620 Trump Gaza video, baby, because everyone has been messaging me about it. Like everyone. I've gotten so
00:02:23.120 many messages asking me to please respond to this Trump Gaza AI-generated video that Trump posted.
00:02:32.120 I think he posted on Truth Social, but he also posted on his Instagram, and it caused a lot of
00:02:38.540 confusion asking people, or people asking, what the heck? Is this real? Is he going to delete this?
00:02:47.580 Surely Trump did not post this. And if you think that Trump did not genuinely post this, I just wonder
00:02:54.940 if you have been paying attention to Donald Trump over the past few years. Of course,
00:03:00.040 Donald Trump posted this. Here it is. It's Sot One.
00:03:03.540 Donald Trump is coming to set you free. Bringing the light for all to see. No more tunnels, no more fear.
00:03:18.900 Trump Gaza is finally here.
00:03:20.980 Trump Gaza shining bright. Golden future, a brand new light.
00:03:25.160 Taste and dance, the deal is done. Trump Gaza number one.
00:03:28.760 Trump Gaza shining bright. Golden future, a brand new light.
00:03:33.480 Taste and dance, the deal is done. Trump Gaza number one.
00:03:38.440 Okay. Brie was bopping over there. I was really trying not to, because I can't sign off. I can't
00:03:49.020 sign off on this video. Okay. Let's just go through some images before we dissect President Trump's brain
00:03:55.860 to see exactly what was the motivation for posting this. So if you're just listening, you're really
00:04:03.620 missing out. You need to watch this on Spotify. Our video is on Spotify now, or you need to watch it on
00:04:08.920 YouTube. Okay. So there are just a few parts of this video. First of all, the lyrics,
00:04:17.320 Donald's coming to set you free. Bringing the light for all to see.
00:04:21.080 No more tunnels, no more fear. Trump Gaza is finally here. Trump Gaza shining bright. Golden
00:04:27.460 future, a brand new light. Feast and dance, the deed is done. Trump Gaza number one. Brie is still
00:04:33.920 laughing. So we've got this picture of Donald Trump. This is full screen five. And the Donald
00:04:41.980 Trump balloon as well. This is literally a big golden statue in the middle of like what looks like
00:04:48.740 Miami. We've got a little Palestinian child who is holding Donald Trump's golden head. That is also
00:04:57.260 a balloon. Okay. And then this is the part, this is what I thought was really weird. The Elon Musk
00:05:02.960 inclusion in this. Okay. Full screen seven. We've got Elon Musk, I guess, presumably eating some
00:05:10.780 hummus. But I think maybe in Palestine, they would say hummus. I don't know. And then we've also got
00:05:24.580 Elon in the next, like in the other picture of this, he's walking and there's literally dollar bills.
00:05:32.580 I don't know. Some currency, some form of money that is raining from the heavens. Okay. Then I'm really
00:05:40.980 disturbed by this. I'm like, Trump, did you watch this whole thing? Here's the next full screen. Full
00:05:46.540 screen eight, please. We might have to put a bar over Donald Trump's nipples because he's got this shirtless
00:05:56.040 picture of him and BB Netanyahu sipping cocktails on the beach slash pool. It's unclear because it's a
00:06:07.020 beach by the pool. Okay. And it's, it's, I, I don't know what else to say about that. Okay. And then we
00:06:16.520 have, who are these? Are, are these transsexuals? Okay. See, when I first watched this to the
00:06:25.380 untrained eye, you might think that this was just, this is, y'all can't, it's not picking up on the
00:06:32.480 microfilm. The whole room is dying at these images right now. These appear to be men with beards
00:06:40.080 with the bodies of women, genuine women. Okay. We're not talking about like the cross-sex hormone
00:06:48.000 nonsense. We've got people, we've got bearded ladies who are scantily clad, very buxom ladies,
00:06:56.640 scantily clad on the beach of Trump, Gaza. Okay. There's also another part where Donald Trump is
00:07:02.880 like at a nightclub and he's like flirting with this scantily clad lady and dancing. Okay. So it's all
00:07:10.980 very strange. I could not begin to tell you what exactly is going on here, but I can give you
00:07:18.280 some context. So you'll remember a couple of weeks ago, Trump did a press conference with
00:07:25.400 Benjamin Netanyahu, where he proposed that the U.S. could just take over the Gaza Strip. So that was
00:07:33.100 February 4th. He's proposed relocating Palestinian residents to neighboring countries with the goal
00:07:38.920 of providing them with safe, stable living conditions, suggesting that the U.S. rebuild
00:07:45.060 war-torn Gaza, the 141-square-mile Palestinian enclave bordered by Egypt, Israel, and the Mediterranean
00:07:53.320 Sea. It's home to about 1.8 million Palestinians. White House Press Secretary Caroline Leavitt added
00:08:00.100 a day later that Palestinian displacement would be temporary and that no U.S. troops or tax dollars
00:08:05.540 would be involved in Gaza. So it's unclear how exactly that would work. Most of the response
00:08:12.360 that I've seen from conservatives is like, yeah, I don't really want to do that. I don't really want
00:08:16.440 America to be involved in that. I don't know if that's going to create a long-term solution.
00:08:23.180 But Donald Trump, like, you have to remember that he is a developer, that he is thinking,
00:08:28.760 how can I make this better? How can I make this more prosperous? How can I make this more
00:08:34.100 comfortable for people? He kind of sees this, I think, as a project, but also it is probably some
00:08:42.020 kind of geopolitical strategy that we don't completely understand. It almost seems like
00:08:47.940 the Solomon baby parable, like who really cares about this land? Because, you know, there's been
00:08:55.520 the negotiations about a two-state solution and what that would look like over many years. And Trump
00:09:02.120 has promised to bring peace to this region. I think that that's what he's trying to communicate
00:09:07.060 here. Honestly, I'm not even trying to make excuses for the man. I don't feel obligated to do that.
00:09:12.980 I don't think that he watched this whole thing and like thought about the symbolism, everything that's
00:09:21.000 being depicted through these AI cartoons. I just don't think that he was thinking that hard about it.
00:09:28.660 Although I understand the concerns, particularly about the golden statue there. I mean, if you look at
00:09:37.080 the biblical references to golden statues as idols, the first thing that comes to mind
00:09:42.780 is Nebuchadnezzar, Shadrach, Meshach, Abednego. I also think I just read this passage yesterday or the day
00:09:50.560 before yesterday, where the silly Israelites who represent all of us in our stupid, sinful rebellion,
00:09:57.520 when Moses was away a little too long to get the law from God, they were like, you know what we
00:10:03.240 should do? We should probably worship a golden calf. And so they gave up their gold jewelry to Aaron.
00:10:10.780 You know, Aaron, like Moses's brother, who is supposed to be like standing in his stead while
00:10:17.600 Moses is gone getting the law. He's like, yeah, give me your jewelry. Sure. And I'll turn it into
00:10:22.680 golden statues for you to be able to worship. And so golden statues and golden statues as
00:10:30.320 representations of power or a God or a leader are not depicted positively throughout scripture.
00:10:37.680 Psalm 139, 15 through 18, the idols of the nations are silver and gold, the work of human hands.
00:10:43.700 They have mouths, but do not speak. They have eyes, but do not see. They have ears, but do not hear.
00:10:49.480 Nor is there any breath in their mouths. Those who make them become like them, so do all who trust in
00:10:57.160 them. Now you might say this video ain't that deep and I agree with you, but is it a good look? Is it
00:11:05.220 something that we should applaud? I don't think any part of this project is something that I support or
00:11:12.160 should necessarily applaud. And I thought the video really was just weird, more than theologically
00:11:19.780 troubling, which you could definitely make a case that it is all idolatry is wrong and troubling. I just
00:11:26.800 thought that it was weird, but it's also just kind of Trump. Like he probably just thought that it was
00:11:32.520 funny. He probably got a kick out of it and he decided to post it. And again, just remember, he likes to
00:11:40.280 build things. He likes things to be gold and he likes things to be lavish. And he also likes to
00:11:46.100 position himself as a strong person who is going to be able to like rescue, save, and rebuild those
00:11:55.280 who are struggling. Israel is an ally. He probably sees this as a message somehow of defense of them,
00:12:02.180 or maybe it's just all a big joke. I don't think any of us know for sure what Donald Trump
00:12:07.020 is thinking. Brie, did you have any additional thoughts on that? I know that you love this song
00:12:11.760 and it's now the soundtrack of her life. Yep. Yep. No, I just kind of want to know like for the bearded
00:12:20.760 ladies, I want to know if they input that prompt or if the AI just gave it to them and they were
00:12:27.800 like, okay, that works. Also three images of Elon. Why? Yeah. Why so many of him eating? Yeah. Yeah.
00:12:37.020 I don't know. Just odd choices, I guess. And I just want to know if they did that deliberately or not.
00:12:41.980 Yeah. No, I think the input is a great question. Like we need some bearded women. You know, other
00:12:47.840 people are pointing out, and this is someone who I forget his name. I saw it this morning. He's a
00:12:53.180 conservative. He worked in Trump White House last time, but he's a Christian who tries to evangelize
00:12:56.760 to Muslims. And he was just saying like, this is, this is tough. Like this is tough. This is not,
00:13:02.560 obviously these are not the values of the people who would be living there, even if we want them to
00:13:07.460 convert to Christianity. Like this is not a helpful message in that regard either.
00:13:14.500 Yeah. And I was telling you before we started that a lot of these images look like the UAE,
00:13:21.520 United Arab Emirates and Dubai. And that is not the place that is representative of the Middle East.
00:13:27.640 And in fact, Dubai, fun fact, is like 90% non-Arabs. It's like all immigrants there. So
00:13:33.820 that's not even the Middle East. So I feel like, yeah, someone who's actually Middle Eastern watching
00:13:38.500 this is probably like, yeah, the values are an issue. Also, it doesn't even look culturally what
00:13:45.060 this place could look like if, you know, there were actually freedom there. So I know maybe we're
00:13:50.660 taking it too seriously, but yeah, I think that's a good point.
00:13:53.560 Yeah. I don't know that I want to export materialism. Of course, I want freedom for
00:14:00.060 them. I want them to be free from Islamic oppression. And I do want them to have economic
00:14:06.040 prosperity and freedom of speech and all of that. I think that's beautiful. I don't know that I want
00:14:12.680 them to have like a golden Trump tower with, you know, euros or whatever, whatever the currency is
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00:15:31.240 Okay, Bri. Should we talk about my controversial tweet or should we go into Andrew Tate? Both of them
00:15:44.860 are controversial, but we're talking about Gaza. Both of them have to do with Muslims. Both of them
00:15:51.280 have to do with danger to women. Yes, there's so many commonalities here. So it just feels natural. So
00:15:58.320 I saw some chatter yesterday on X about Christians being persecuted in Israel. And Christians are
00:16:05.860 persecuted everywhere. And I care very much about Christian persecution. We talked about that on the
00:16:11.920 show this week, what's happening in the Congo. Christians are the most persecuted group around
00:16:18.300 the world. And persecution doesn't look the same in the United States, but just ask Jack Phillips or
00:16:24.260 Laurie Smith. I mean, Christian persecution happens here in the United States as well.
00:16:29.120 And so I saw some people saying Christians are persecuted in Israel, which prompted me to say,
00:16:35.840 well, Israel is the only place that I would feel safe as a woman and as a Christian traveling in the
00:16:43.220 Middle East. I really didn't think that this tweet would get that much attention, but it has. Thousands
00:16:49.560 and thousands of replies, which I can't even see all of them. I don't know how that works. I can't even
00:16:53.820 see most of the replies, but thousands of replies, extremely angry. People saying this is not true.
00:17:01.480 You could go to Jordan. You could go to UAE. You could go to Dubai. You could go to Lebanon. There
00:17:06.700 are certainly places where a lot of Christians exist and you could go there. Other people saying,
00:17:11.720 well, actually Christians are spat upon. If you go to Israel, it's not safe to go to Israel. The
00:17:17.460 Palestinian Christian population in Israel is not safe. That's completely untrue.
00:17:22.480 And then people saying, you're just a shill for the Jews and you're just getting paid by Israel,
00:17:28.680 which is so funny because it's not true. I don't think, I don't have any connection whatsoever to
00:17:38.100 Israel. There is zero, there are zero Jewish people signing any checks for Ali Beth Stuckey. Okay.
00:17:44.360 I made a statement that happens to be true. And Brie has been to Israel and all over the Middle East
00:17:51.980 as a Christian woman. So I wanted to bring her in just to hear what she thinks about my post. Was it
00:17:58.320 fair? Was it accurate? Was it unfair? You can be honest. Tell me. The only thing that I maybe would
00:18:04.860 have added was, uh, can safely travel alone. I would have added alone. Um, most countries,
00:18:13.440 I totally agree. I wouldn't even say you can safely travel, um, without maybe like a local companion
00:18:21.220 who like can, you know, make sure. Most countries in the Middle East. Yes. Yeah. Who can make sure that
00:18:25.920 you're not getting into trouble or walking into the wrong area. Um, but I have traveled to Jordan.
00:18:33.840 I've traveled to Lebanon. I've traveled to the UAE, to all of the safe countries in the Middle East.
00:18:39.580 And I know Christians who live there who are very open about the fact that those countries
00:18:44.080 have a veil of freedom. They are meant to look to Westerners like they're free. They're more free than
00:18:50.660 they are. Um, and underneath that is all of these things that you can get in trouble for all of
00:18:56.300 these. Um, I mean, they obviously have a certain view of women that we don't hear. And so those
00:19:03.820 things still exist there. And I think that makes them kind of an inherently not pleasant place to be
00:19:11.080 for, as a woman, as a Christian woman. Um, so I would say I would have never gone to any of those
00:19:17.680 countries by myself. Um, I did feel safe going to a lot of them with someone and knowing that there
00:19:24.440 were local Christians there who, you know, were kind of working with us. Yeah. But if I were going
00:19:29.580 on vacation, no, I wouldn't go by myself. Would you feel safe going to Israel by yourself as a woman?
00:19:36.140 Yeah. Yeah. And the reason why is because, well, there's a couple of reasons why, but one of the main
00:19:41.380 ones is every time I've been to Israel, I have been astounded by how much diversity there is.
00:19:47.900 And I know that sometimes used as a bad word, but there, it really felt like a freedom. There are so
00:19:54.160 many different kinds of people there who are just kind of coexisting. There are Arab Muslims who are
00:19:59.540 professors and politicians there. And you should ask, are there Jewish diplomats that live in Palestine
00:20:06.140 under Muslim rule? Yep. Spoiler alert. No, there aren't any juice, uh, there. Um, so there's just
00:20:13.780 so much more diversity where you feel like you're not like the only foreigner there. So already it's
00:20:20.260 kind of like a little bit less stressful of a situation, but yeah, no, they just don't. They
00:20:25.260 think about people differently. They think about Americans differently there. Um, they think about
00:20:29.980 Christians differently there. And I will say there is a little bit, I wouldn't say hostility,
00:20:33.960 but they're trying to preserve, preserve a Jewish state. And so if you're trying to move there as a
00:20:38.500 Christian, you'll probably get some pushback. Um, you would probably get pushed back also moving to
00:20:44.580 those Muslim countries. You will. In fact, it's almost impossible. Um, in a lot of those places,
00:20:49.420 but yeah, you get a little bit of pushback to do that in Israel, but to visit. There's tension.
00:20:54.620 Sorry? There's tension probably. Yeah. Yeah. A little bit. Um, but to visit, they love Americans
00:21:02.160 visiting there. It makes a lot of money for them because there's a lot of tourism. Um,
00:21:06.780 but also the people there are just really nice to Americans and they're very nice to Christians.
00:21:11.420 And so I just don't know where that narrative is coming from, that they are like, they'll spit on
00:21:16.980 you. If you go there, some groups of people are a little bit more, um, extreme. Let's talk about
00:21:21.860 that for a second, because I remember this video going around maybe about a year ago and my replies
00:21:26.800 are filled with this one instance. And that tells me though, that if this is the only instance you
00:21:32.380 can find, and you're, you're saying it over and over again, that this is probably not pervasive,
00:21:36.920 but it is a real video of what looked like Hasidic Jewish people in Israel spitting upon a priest or
00:21:44.460 spitting near Christians who I suppose were Taurus. And people are saying, look, this is what happens
00:21:51.300 if you are a Christian and you go to Israel, but you told me something about this in this situation
00:21:56.820 that I thought was interesting. Yeah. Um, I have a family member who lives in Tel Aviv. Um, and this
00:22:04.320 has been an ongoing thing that we have talked about. This is a group of people who are pretty universally,
00:22:11.280 I will say, disliked in Israel. Um, I think the majority of people in Israel are pretty secular
00:22:17.240 Jews for the most part. Um, and they treat them the same way. Uh, the Hasidic Jews treat them the
00:22:23.380 same way. So it's not just that if you're a Christian, you're there. It's this group of people
00:22:27.660 just doesn't really like anyone who's not them. Um, and there's a lot of, you know, they, there's
00:22:33.600 vitriol because they use religious exemption to get out of military service, which everyone in Israel
00:22:39.500 and female. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so most people don't really like those people there to begin with. And
00:22:47.080 so I don't think it's fair to use that group of people, uh, that very specific group of people
00:22:52.680 and say, look, this is how you're treated in Israel. Well, that's a specific group of people
00:22:56.840 within Israel that, yeah, might treat you like that if you run into them, I guess, and say something.
00:23:02.020 Um, but is that not the case in America in some places? Go to Portland. Yeah. And that's not
00:23:07.280 representative of how you're treated in America in general. So it's just kind of silly. If you're
00:23:12.340 openly Christian in some places in Portland or San Francisco or even Austin or Seattle,
00:23:18.400 I mean, you could face harassment, but we still wouldn't say America is unsafe. You cannot be a
00:23:24.380 Christian. Don't go to America if you're a Christian. And yet there are places where it is
00:23:30.180 pretty unsafe to be openly Christian in the United States. So it's just kind of, um, an
00:23:36.880 uneven application of the rules, I would say. And then of course, people saying, well,
00:23:44.460 I got the left and the right all riled up about this. People say, well, white women feeling safe
00:23:50.660 shouldn't determine our foreign policy. Just because you as a woman feel safe doesn't mean
00:23:54.820 that we should be sending all of our weaponry and all of our treasure to Israel. Okay. Here's an IQ
00:24:02.460 test for you. Can you address the substance of what someone says without projecting an imaginary
00:24:09.560 argument onto it and then refuting that imaginary argument? That's called a straw man where you have
00:24:17.560 just created this figment of your imagination, um, that you have just created this fake argument and
00:24:27.880 you are trying to destroy that. Like if you have trouble finding your brain, I will link arms with
00:24:36.500 you. We will go down the yellow brick road together. And I will personally ask the wizard to give you
00:24:41.540 back your brain. And then maybe we can have a conversation about this. I never said that we
00:24:48.180 should be putting Israel first. That's not what I believe about foreign policy. I am all the way
00:24:53.580 America first. I think it is a very worthy debate to ask where should we be sending our foreign aid?
00:24:58.640 Should we be sending foreign aid? I never made any comment about what our foreign policy should be
00:25:05.600 with Israel, or maybe we should deprioritize American interests and send taxpayer dollars over there. I
00:25:12.120 never made that argument. I'm just saying like, when I look at this situation from the perspective of a
00:25:19.100 Christian, but really as an American, as someone who comments on the news and everything, gosh,
00:25:24.920 would I want more Israels or more Palestines or more Saudi Arabias? Like, would I, which ideology would
00:25:33.040 I rather have win or spread? And it's really not that complicated. But again, if your position is we
00:25:43.160 shouldn't have a dog in the fight at all, because you don't agree with either side, or you don't think
00:25:47.400 America should be involved, I think that is a position worth defending and worth debating.
00:25:53.460 What I am confronting is the silly moral relativism of, well, both sides are equally bad, and Israel is
00:26:01.100 just as mean to Christians and to outsiders as Palestine is, as the Muslim world is. That's just
00:26:06.540 not true. It's just not true. You're a weirdo for thinking that, and it's not reality. And that's
00:26:12.720 the only point that I wanted to make. And now I want to talk about Andrew Tate. And also, controversial
00:26:19.360 subject, because Andrew Tate apparently is being released from Romanian custody and possibly coming
00:26:28.680 to the United States. And this is after Trump has basically pressured Romania to release them.
00:26:36.260 And so let's talk about this a little bit. And we'll also get Bree's take on this before we get
00:26:42.740 into our next ad. Andrew Tate and his brother Tristan have left Romania and are reportedly heading to
00:26:48.160 the United States after prosecutors lifted travel restrictions that were in place due to their
00:26:52.240 2022 arrest for rape, human trafficking, money laundering, and organized crime charges. Many are
00:26:58.180 suggesting the restrictions were lifted due to pressure from the Trump administration. According to their
00:27:03.600 lawyer, the brothers left Romania Thursday morning and are flying to Florida. Now, earlier this month,
00:27:09.100 the Financial Times reported that Trump's administration had pressed Romanian authorities to lift travel
00:27:13.860 restrictions on Tate, first in a phone call, then when Trump's special envoy, Rick Grinnell, met
00:27:20.360 Romania's foreign minister at the Munich Security Conference in Germany. I just don't understand this. I
00:27:27.560 don't understand using any political capital whatsoever on the Tate brothers. I know that they're pro-Trump.
00:27:33.440 I know they say things that we agree with. We've done entire episodes detailing all of their
00:27:37.880 confessions, the confessions to the crimes that they are being accused of. And so we don't have to go
00:27:43.560 through all of these things now, but they have admitted to being pimps. They have admitted to rape.
00:27:51.700 They have admitted to abuse. They have admitted to having sex with statutory rape of minors. We have played
00:28:00.360 those videos. We have looked at those transcripts. Okay. Why waste any political capital on the Tate
00:28:09.680 brothers? I thought we were deporting sex criminals. I thought we were deporting the rapists. What did
00:28:16.660 Donald Trump say a few years ago? Oh, they're not sending their best. Okay. Romania is not sending their
00:28:21.720 best. I don't want the Tate brothers here. Okay. And I don't want us applying pressure to countries
00:28:26.940 to try to release the Tate brothers who have admitted on tape to a lot of what they are being
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00:29:47.000 purchase. That's adelnaturalcosmetics.com, code Allie. Okay. A spokesperson for Romania's foreign
00:29:59.240 ministry told CNN on Thursday that there was no pressure and no solicitations in the discussion.
00:30:04.720 So maybe it's not true. People are surmising that, but maybe it's not true. Romania said,
00:30:13.500 no, there's been no pressure whatsoever from the Trump administration. Okay. He said, she said,
00:30:18.360 this spokesperson claims that Grinnell merely stated that he was interested in the fate of the
00:30:24.660 brothers. Still, what a thing to bring up. In a statement Thursday, Romanian prosecutors stressed
00:30:30.760 that only the travel restrictions had been lifted while all other obligations remain in
00:30:34.640 effect, including the requirement to appear before judicial authorities whenever summoned. So
00:30:41.180 they've been on house arrest for a long time. They have been arrested, charged with rape, human
00:30:49.380 trafficking, money laundering, organized crime charges. Andrew and Tristan have a deadline from their
00:30:57.800 prosecutor to return from the U.S. to Romania by March 25th. According to judicial sources, Florida
00:31:06.360 Attorney General James Uthmeyer just launched a preliminary investigation into the Tate brothers
00:31:12.740 after their arrival in Florida. So he said, early this morning, I directed my office to work with our
00:31:20.020 state law enforcement partners to conduct a preliminary inquiry into these individuals. Florida has zero
00:31:24.660 tolerance for human trafficking and violence against women. If any of those alleged crimes trigger Florida
00:31:30.420 jurisdiction, we will hold them accountable. Yeah. That's what I like to hear. None of this weird
00:31:36.220 conservative pandering to the Tate brothers who are not conservative in any sense. Oh, they said
00:31:43.000 something mean about feminism. Grow a brain cell. Governor Ron DeSantis said this morning that Florida does not
00:31:50.340 welcome Andrew interest in tape after they are flying back from Romania. Here he is saying that
00:31:57.180 the reality is, is, um, no, Florida is not a place, uh, where, where, where you're welcome. Uh, with that,
00:32:04.660 with those, that, that type of conduct, um, in the air. And I don't know how it came to this. Uh, we were
00:32:09.280 not involved. We were not notified. I found out through the media that this was something that was
00:32:13.900 happening. Love them. Oh, Ron DeSantis is just a great guy. Great leader. This is, yes, this is the
00:32:20.800 line that you draw. This is the position that we should have. Um, Trump's lawyer, one of Trump's
00:32:26.440 lawyers, Lena Habba, currently serving as the counselor to the president of the United States.
00:32:31.000 She appeared on Biddy Johnson's show last month, along with Andrew Tate, um, saying that she was a big
00:32:36.280 fan, that she sympathizes with Tate. I think we played that clip, um, at the time others are, I think,
00:32:42.320 are rightly saying he's an enemy of the movement of conservative values. Samuel Say, my friend who
00:32:49.020 always has good commentary said, Andrew Tate is still a pimp. He's made some people on the right
00:32:53.840 sell themselves for him. Good call. It's not just that he's getting women to sell themselves for sex.
00:33:00.620 He is also getting so-called conservatives to sell their values for what? I don't even know. Is it even
00:33:07.500 money? Is it even just to be contrarian? I, I don't know what motivates people. Maybe they
00:33:12.160 just really like him. Like, I think you can simultaneously say, okay, some of the things
00:33:17.420 that he said are true. And I agree with that. And you could even say, you understand why he
00:33:22.720 scratched some itching ears who are angry about the feminization of society in general and the
00:33:28.040 emasculation of men. Sure. You can say all that and say, but he's not the answer. And he would,
00:33:35.600 if you scale Andrew Tate's behavior, we're living in barbarism and we shouldn't want that.
00:33:43.320 Even aside from the biblical morality of it. I mean, again, you just go back to yesterday's
00:33:48.980 conversation with Katie Faust. You cannot get away from the fact that God's ways are better. That one
00:33:54.920 man, one woman in the context of marriage, raising children, that that should be the ideal.
00:34:01.500 And anyone like Andrew Tate, who is a serial pimp, who is a Muslim, who believes in all of the
00:34:08.680 radically anti-women aspects of Islam should not be held up as any kind of hero in any way. And zero
00:34:17.740 political capital should be spent on him if it is indeed being spent by him. All right. Do you have
00:34:26.560 anything to add there, Brie, with Andrew Tate? I think you said it all. There's so much to say
00:34:36.000 about Andrew Tate, but. So much to say. We've covered it a lot on our show. I just, I really
00:34:42.480 hope that Donald Trump is not using any leverage to try to help them out. I mean, I don't want them to,
00:34:50.740 you know, have to bear false accusations either, even if I don't like them. I want there to be truth
00:34:55.620 and justice, but like, let that justice play out. Yes. It does bother me a little bit that one of
00:35:01.440 his lawyers is a fan. That's like strong language for someone. She said that publicly. But I don't
00:35:09.620 know. I think there are a lot of people who believe the right thing about this. And so I'm, I'm not like
00:35:14.180 super concerned, but I don't know. We'll see. Also, this is a little bit unrelated, but did you see
00:35:20.020 him tweet that because Ariana Grande is now so skinny, he's no longer interested in sleeping
00:35:27.520 with her? Oh. So, cause she was offering, of course. Her strategy worked. Okay. Now we're all
00:35:35.680 going on Ozempic. Yeah. That's what everyone has to do to get off his list. Okay. Ozempic, the anti-Andrew
00:35:41.440 Tate drug. Yeah. All right. Just a little fun fact. Wow. That is really weird. That is a weird,
00:35:48.080 weird thing to say. Okay. We've got a discussion topic. Oh, should we talk about David French?
00:35:55.360 Should we talk about children on airplanes? It's so difficult. It's so difficult to know. All I'll say
00:36:01.900 is this about David French. Okay. Or we're talking about crybabies in both instances, but let's start
00:36:08.080 with crybaby David French, who wrote this article in the New York times that says David French, or
00:36:16.640 okay. So this is the title by David French, behold the strange spectacle of Christians against empathy.
00:36:23.040 And then he goes on to cite my book and to cite Joe Rigney's book and basically saying, this is all
00:36:30.000 terrible. And this is just showing this post-Christian evangelical movement that cares more
00:36:37.040 about Donald Trump that has no compassion for people, that doesn't love people, that doesn't
00:36:40.980 love the poor, help the poor. And this is after, by the way, Russell Moore, I always want to say
00:36:46.140 Russell Brand, but Russell Moore called me a 20th century German soldier, aka a Nazi, because I rightly
00:36:54.360 said that the passage where Jesus says, whatever you do to the least of these, my brothers, you do unto me
00:37:01.320 is actually about persecuted Christians, not the world's poor. That is absolutely true. I am not the
00:37:05.600 person who came up with that idea. There are years and years of very sound theological scholarship on
00:37:11.020 that particular verse, interpreting it in just that way. But Russell Moore basically, and he's
00:37:15.840 friends with David French, basically made the same argument that, oh, these Christians who are pro-Trump
00:37:21.340 have no love. And of course, David French, just like a lot of the people, most of the people who
00:37:29.440 are very angry about the title of my book, misrepresenting it. It's either lazy or it's
00:37:36.600 purposeful misrepresentation. Either way, it's wrong. So he says, at the same time, hard right
00:37:42.960 Christians, hard right. I, again, I would love for David French to come on and like, what exactly,
00:37:48.720 what policy-wise, issue-wise do you disagree with me on? Do you disagree with me on the definition of
00:37:53.020 gender? Do you disagree with me on immigration? Let's hear it. I want to hear it. Like, what is your,
00:37:58.220 what's your plan? What's your proposal for immigration? Where do we agree and disagree?
00:38:02.460 Do you disagree with me on marriage? Do you disagree with me on justice? Like, what makes me
00:38:08.080 hard right versus just a standard conservative? But when you're writing in the pages of the New York
00:38:12.520 Times, and as he has inched further and further left, everyone to his right becomes hard right for
00:38:18.100 holding ideas that I would say he probably even held on to 10 years ago. So hard right Christians
00:38:24.540 began to turn against the very idea of empathy. Last year, a popular right-wing podcaster,
00:38:29.740 Allie Beth Stuckey, published a best-selling book. It was best-selling. Thank you. Called
00:38:34.860 Toxic Empathy, How Progressives Exploit Christian Compassion. And then a right-wing theologian,
00:38:39.700 Joe Rigney, published a book called Sin of Empathy. He says, these attacks are rooted in the idea that
00:38:44.960 progressives emotionally manipulate evangelicals into supporting causes they would otherwise reject.
00:38:49.220 For example, if people respond to the foreign aid shutdown and the stop work orders by talking
00:38:54.180 about how children might suffer and die, then they're exhibiting toxic empathy. So close, but so
00:39:00.480 far, David French. That is not exactly what toxic empathy is. And you can just read the book. It's a
00:39:06.140 quick read, and you can learn what toxic empathy is. It is not simply bringing up the negative
00:39:12.380 consequences of an action. It is failing to bring up the victims on the other side of the moral
00:39:19.880 equation. So it could be toxic empathy if you said, hey, if you end this program, if you stop paying
00:39:29.120 this particular program that feeds these children over there, then these children will die. If you are
00:39:36.440 saying that to ignore the people on the other side of the moral equation, if, for example, that program
00:39:44.940 was also funding, I don't know, abortion in the same place or gender transition surgeries in the same
00:39:51.720 place or forced sterilization in the same place, and you were only focusing on one particular victim
00:39:58.720 in order to make your case, that could be a form of toxic empathy that is used as emotional
00:40:04.320 manipulation to get you to support a certain cause by ignoring everyone else on the other side of the
00:40:09.620 emotional or the moral equation. It's really not that complicated. When we do abortion, toxic empathy
00:40:15.600 looks like only focusing on the plight of the woman, ignoring the baby that abortion murders. When it
00:40:21.040 comes to gender, it is focusing on the plight of the person who feels like they were born in the wrong
00:40:26.760 body and ignoring the women and the girls whose spaces and rights are violated and the children whose
00:40:31.600 bodies are mutilated. When it comes to marriage, it is focusing on the desires of the adults who want to be
00:40:37.460 in a union and ignoring the pain that is caused to purposely motherless and fatherless children. When it comes
00:40:45.760 to immigration, it is only focusing on the plight of the person who is fleeing violence from Honduras and wants to
00:40:53.920 leave here, but ignoring Lakin Riley and Kate Steinle. When it comes to justice, toxic empathy looks like only
00:41:00.000 focusing on the criminal who really wants to be released from prison or maybe you feel should be
00:41:04.920 released from prison, but ignoring all of the unnecessary victims that have endured violence
00:41:14.260 because of people being released from prison too early. So that is toxic empathy. It ignores both reality
00:41:20.200 and morality, and Christians are called to more than empathy. We are called to the truth in love.
00:41:25.740 Empathy is untethered by the truth. It simply feels how someone feels. So if you feel so deeply how
00:41:32.040 someone feels that you affirm their lies, you validate or support their sin, or you advocate
00:41:42.020 for destructive policies, your empathy has turned toxic. And that's why Christians are to be tethered by
00:41:48.200 the truth. Love is tethered by the truth. 1 Corinthians 13, 6, love never rejoices in wrongdoing,
00:41:54.200 but rejoices with the truth. So love defined by the God who is love. 1 John 4, 8 is always
00:42:00.640 inextricably intertwined with the truth. That's why Christians are called to true love. This truth
00:42:07.720 and love dichotomy, which is better than empathy, certainly better than toxic empathy. And look,
00:42:12.900 I know I call David French a crybaby. Maybe that was too mean. I know I'm going to have someone probably
00:42:17.740 say something about how that wasn't nice, but look, he's basically saying that I'm a cruel monster
00:42:22.660 because I'm against all forms of empathy. That is not what I argue in my book. I argue for something
00:42:27.600 much realer and deeper and more sacrificial than this superficial performative and yes, sometimes
00:42:34.580 dangerous empathy that is hoisted upon us by the empathy mongers. And he's not stupid. I know he knows
00:42:42.280 that, which means this is actually malicious. It's a malicious attempt, just like Russell Moore's was
00:42:47.400 to paint me as evil. And thankfully, most people aren't going to buy that. So I'm actually being
00:42:54.060 really nice by calling him nothing more than a crybaby. I also think he's being a liar, which
00:43:00.780 is wrong. We can just disagree, David French. You don't have to go here. Okay. We can just disagree.
00:43:05.600 I'm happy to have you on. We can have a very robust discussion. I bet there's a lot we agree on
00:43:09.560 actually. But you know, it's, you know, you're not going to get pushed back in the pages of the New York
00:43:16.000 Times and all the people who read the New York Times will take what you say and they will think
00:43:20.340 someone like me is uniquely dangerous. The only reason you, Russell Moore and David French, think
00:43:25.480 that I'm uniquely dangerous, need to paint me as some kind of far right person is because you know
00:43:30.300 the women in your churches are listening to me and that scares you. Too bad. All right. We've got
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00:44:43.880 Okay. I've been wanting to talk about this because this tweet also that I posted, this post on X,
00:44:50.280 I will never get used to that language, also got more attention and responses than I anticipated. So
00:44:57.140 I thought it'd be a good discussion topic on this show. So this is what I said. And please don't hear
00:45:03.380 what I'm not saying. Okay. This is really hard. I know on the internet to like understand that
00:45:08.920 someone is saying something in general or in principle and not trying to apply it to every
00:45:13.120 single person. So, but this is what I said. I said, for as long as I live, I promise to never be the
00:45:18.500 old woman on the airplane who glares at your kids for making noise. I will always be the one to smile
00:45:23.460 at them, tell mom and dad they're doing a good job and see if I can help. Our kids travel really well,
00:45:28.280 but every negative interaction we have with them while flying has been with an older lady.
00:45:33.580 Yesterday, our 18 month old fussed during takeoff and the woman in front of us made a huge embarrassing
00:45:38.640 show of plugging her ears and rolling her eyes. That is true. She literally, guys, I can give you a
00:45:43.340 visual. She was going like this. I'm not kidding. And we were like, I was kind of diagonal. My husband was
00:45:53.580 holding her and he gets so irritated by people like that. I wanted to be like, are you going to
00:46:00.180 be okay? Are you going to be okay? And her husband was like, it's fine. It's fine. Whatever. And she
00:46:07.380 just kept on turning around. And like our baby is an angel baby and she has traveled so much, like so
00:46:14.880 many flights. Um, but takeoff is hard. And plus it was during nap time. And so we really wanted her to
00:46:20.140 sleep, but she was a little fussy and takeoff. She was great. The rest of the flight takeoff and
00:46:25.500 landing was a little tough. That's just like, that's, that's normal. So she made this huge
00:46:30.580 embarrassing show. She was talking to her husband about it. And then I probably told you all the
00:46:35.620 story. This was a few months ago where I was, it was just my husband and I, and our youngest,
00:46:41.640 I think it was just the three of us traveling this time. And he was kind of shushing her down the
00:46:46.100 aisle, trying to get her to fall asleep. That would make everyone happy. Parents,
00:46:49.380 happy the most. And this woman who literally had a dog that yapped on the flight in her lap,
00:46:57.700 looked at my husband, wasn't even, she wasn't even sitting next to us. She was like a free
00:47:01.760 few rows ahead of us and said, get it away from me, get it away from me. And my husband was like,
00:47:07.300 you didn't just call my husband it or my, you didn't just call my baby it, did you? And she actually
00:47:13.060 got in trouble with the flight attendant. And they were like, you need to calm down. They paid for their
00:47:17.880 seats. You paid for your seats. The baby is fine. You need to chill out. So I think that these people
00:47:25.100 who act more childish than children, we need to examine what is really going on in this generation,
00:47:32.100 because we blame Gen Z, we blame millennials for this push towards progressivism. But I just wonder
00:47:38.660 if feminism really did a number on a lot of the baby boomer and silent generation women.
00:47:44.080 Now, I will say 100% honestly, that this is not true at all of my kids' grandparents. Like my kids,
00:47:52.040 they won the lottery when it comes to grandparents who are wonderful with children, who love my kids
00:47:58.640 so much, who would be super sweet to kids on an airplane. And of course, I've met lots of older
00:48:03.720 women who are really sweet. One time when my middle was two, she sat in, my two-year-old sat in the
00:48:10.420 middle. And then this older lady was sitting next to her, my husband on the other side of her. And
00:48:14.580 the older lady was so sweet to her, like showed her pictures of her dog. And so I'm not making a
00:48:19.880 generalization of everyone. I'm just saying every negative interaction I have had has been an older
00:48:25.600 woman. And from the replies that I got, it seems like this is really common. And I want to know what's
00:48:32.100 going on. Are you far removed from when your children were little and you just don't remember?
00:48:37.400 Or are you, you don't have children and grandchildren yourself? Is it an entitled kind of attitude? And
00:48:44.460 look, I'm not talking about kids that are like running around being reckless. Parents aren't
00:48:49.700 disciplining them. Parents aren't paying attention, doing anything. I understand why that can be
00:48:54.000 frustrating. But these people who feel entitled to a child-free existence, it's insane to me. You are
00:49:01.160 entitled to a childless life. Like if that's how you want to create your life in your home,
00:49:08.220 your private life, you are entitled to that. I think that's not a good idea. I think if you have
00:49:13.240 the option to have children, you should have children. They make your life very rich and very
00:49:16.440 full and very joyful, hard in some ways, but totally worth it. But you are not entitled to a
00:49:22.400 child-free world. Okay. If you are going to take public transportation, then you are going to have
00:49:27.960 children. And really, children, other human beings have more of a right to be there than your dog,
00:49:33.680 than your canine, 100%. Okay. And so this world that prioritizes pets and plants and professions
00:49:43.020 over children, it's very disordered. And I think it shows up sometimes in the attitude
00:49:49.180 of older people. What breed do you think I'm being too harsh here?
00:49:53.460 I mean, I don't have the same experiences because I don't currently have children, but
00:49:58.560 no, I think that that's true. I think that that's true in a couple different spheres also. I see that
00:50:06.840 like in my parents' neighborhood in HOAs and things like that. So yeah, I mean, like I said,
00:50:14.740 I don't have a ton of experience with this, but I think that you're probably right. Yeah.
00:50:18.580 Yeah. It also, sorry. It also, I think is true that older people are more likely to be like annoyed by
00:50:26.780 things like that because they're the ones that do not come like on airplanes with headphones and
00:50:31.980 things like that. The rest of us understand there are going to be other people on the plane and
00:50:37.160 probably kids. So we prepare ourselves for that. Yeah. You know? Yeah. So that might contribute.
00:50:43.280 I just want to remind you too, that there is no person on that plane that wants the child to stop
00:50:50.020 crying more than the mom and dad. No person is more stressed out and more on edge with their nerves
00:50:57.520 frayed than the parents of the child who is crying. I promise you that. And no one likes to hear a baby
00:51:06.280 crying. It's not like we think, oh, well, you should just love this. This should be music to your ears.
00:51:11.300 It is music to no one's ears, but just like give a break. And I still, every comment that I've ever
00:51:17.260 gotten that has been sweet and kind and considerate, I've sometimes had to travel by myself with kids.
00:51:22.360 Like it's meant a lot to me. I remember those moments. Like I remember the moments when people
00:51:28.100 offered to give me a hand or told me that my baby was cute or told me that I'm doing a good job or
00:51:33.960 recognize that it was like tough to travel with kids. I still remember those moments. You can not only
00:51:39.900 make someone's day by just going out of your way and being kind, but you can leave an impression on
00:51:47.520 them. And some people were saying, oh, you know, the internet lasts forever. You might not be that
00:51:51.960 woman. No, I will be by the grace of God because I already am that person. It doesn't take, it's not
00:51:58.020 that I'm special. It doesn't take a lot of effort and energy to see anyone who is struggling, whether
00:52:04.080 it's an older person, whether it's a mom, whether it's a kid, especially when I'm traveling by myself
00:52:09.360 and just be the person that is going to bring peace and order and sweetness to a situation. I mean,
00:52:15.660 that's what Christians are called to do. And so it's really not that, it's really not that difficult.
00:52:21.720 But also to show you that I'm not a complete, like, I'm not a crazy person. And I do, I also want to get
00:52:28.480 Bree's take on this and then we'll finish this out. But this just reminded me of this debate.
00:52:32.180 Bree, did you see this debate on X about the New York Post article? I think it was a TikTok video
00:52:37.440 of this woman who was getting married. She was at the altar and this baby was screaming.
00:52:43.260 And the headline was like, oh, bride is getting so angry at a baby crying. And all these comments
00:52:50.320 were criticizing this woman. And the video was just her like, kind of like looking around. She didn't
00:52:55.400 look that angry to me. But I'm on the bride's side there because I love children, but it is not their
00:53:04.960 place everywhere at all times. I'm not saying that they shouldn't be there at all at the wedding,
00:53:11.840 but if they're crying, they need to be taken out because all the video and all the footage and all
00:53:18.260 the memories are now going to be clouded. I still remember when I got married that like in the middle
00:53:24.540 of our vows, someone on the property took their like really loud golf cart. It's probably like a
00:53:31.760 gator and like drove it behind. No one probably remembers that. I still remember it. Okay. What's
00:53:39.940 your take? Oh no. I know that there were some prominent people who were saying, well, kids should
00:53:46.080 go to weddings. Kids have a place at weddings. Sure. But if I was that bride, I would have been
00:53:53.320 more angry than she was because yes, you spend so much money on a videographer, a photographer. Well,
00:54:01.240 photography doesn't matter, but videography, people are filming it. This is a memory that's supposed to
00:54:06.380 last forever. And yeah, that's really annoying to have something in her interrupted. So I am completely
00:54:14.220 on her side. I don't think you even have to debate whether or not kids should be banned from weddings
00:54:20.360 because that's not really what this is about. You're right. The parents should have taken the
00:54:24.280 kid out because this is one of the most important moments of that woman's life. And it's not about
00:54:29.080 that kid or his parents. So I think it was really inconsiderate on their part. I'm totally on her side.
00:54:35.520 I would have been even more dramatic about it probably. Yes. And I would have probably been the person
00:54:41.500 in the audience to like go back there and be like, Hey, do you want me to take them out? Like I will
00:54:48.860 take them out and I will be sweet and we will play together. But like, we're going to do this. It's not
00:54:53.380 the kid's fault. I mean, he was probably three. It's the parents. You just have to have the discernment
00:54:58.900 to know that like kids just aren't for every single place. Yeah. At all times. And yeah. And I agree
00:55:07.820 with that too. I don't think that it's fair to just be like kids belong at weddings all the time.
00:55:13.980 If you want your wedding to not have kids at it, then fine. You're paying money for it. It's a party
00:55:20.520 you're throwing. I think you can make the rules. Yes. I think that's okay. I think that's okay too.
00:55:25.180 And I've seen some people like, don't make me come without my kids. Well, you don't have to go.
00:55:30.960 Like if that's totally fine. If you're like, I don't want to leave my kids with a babysitter. I want my
00:55:34.180 kids to come with me to a wedding. Okay. Yeah. Like that's fine. And I also think it's fine if
00:55:39.620 a bride is like, no, I want all the kids there. I love it. I don't care. I want all the children
00:55:44.620 there. I think that's amazing too. But I don't think you're a bridezilla for having a preference
00:55:51.280 on that. Agree. But you are bad if you're mean to moms and dads on airplanes who are just trying
00:55:58.740 to keep it together and keep their kids still. So I'll just end on that. All right. We got through
00:56:05.280 it. We got through most of this stuff in under an hour. I know. So impressive. All right. On Monday,
00:56:11.140 we've got Alex Clark here. Amazing conversation. She is revealing things you do not know about her and
00:56:17.500 her romantic life, but so, so much more is spanned in that conversation. So look forward to that. And
00:56:22.880 again, tomorrow morning, share the arrows.com. Okay. See you Monday.