Ep 1149 ｜ Alex Clark on Finding the One & Why She’s Thankful for Botox
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She went from chicken nugget princess to queen of the mamba movement. Alex Clark is here today to talk about her personal health journey, as well as her professional evolution over the past year. And she also has some romantic details to reveal about her new, very serious relationship.
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She went from chicken nugget princess to queen of the Maha movement. Alex Clark is here today
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to talk about her personal health journey, as well as her professional evolution over the past year.
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And she also has some romantic details to reveal about her new, very serious relationship. This
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was such a fun and full conversation that everyone is going to love so much. This episode is brought
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Alex, thanks so much for taking the time to join us in person.
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Yeah, I'm happy to be back. I think third time's a charm.
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Yeah, first time in this set. And I told my team, I said it used to be purple.
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Now your colors are green and it looks gorgeous, but you are nervous about the black because now
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you did the color thing and now you've been ruined.
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I've been ruined. I was just talking to my husband about this this morning. At the least
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opportune time, I started like ripping clothes off of my hangers this morning. I'm like trying
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to get the kids dressed and I'm like, I can't stand looking at this light gray and black anymore
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because it's not in my color season. Did you feel like that after you got your colors done?
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I have not broken the rule once. I actually stopped wearing my aura ring because it was gold.
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And then you're a silver girl. And now I'm a silver girl. So my boyfriend for one of my
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birthday gifts, he got me the silver aura ring so I could start wearing one again.
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That is sweet. I have followed the rules to a T. I haven't, I have not ventured off once.
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Okay. You know, I wish I could say that, but the hardest one for me is black.
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Yeah. Cause you have black cause you're winter. Yes. So black and white, true white are both in
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my color palette. And, uh, I, I mean, I told everybody guys, girls, kids, get your colors
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done. It's a one-time thing because you're not going to change. Find out what it is. You will
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feel so confident your makeup, your accessories, your shoes, your bags, everything to be tailored
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to exactly what looks the best on you. It's just a game changer. And it's especially a game changer
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for people in media like us. I think. Yeah. You can't stop seeing it. And you spend less money on
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clothes. I think I'm less likely to like, Oh, pop into anthropology or pop in somewhere and get
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something just because it looks cute. Because if it's not in my season, I'm not going to get it.
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So it actually saves you money. It actually does tell your husband's that. Yeah. So anyway,
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I might be changing the background green match my color season. Okay. There are so many things I
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want to talk to you about. I want to talk to you first about just like the rebranding from
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politics to culture apothecary, but really go back to the health journey that started that shift or
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initiated that shift because you were the chicken nugget queen, the queen of chicken nuggets. And
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now you are like, stop eating Chick-fil-A, no seed oils. So take us back to chicken nugget queen and how
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this first changed. Yeah. So, I mean, my life, I grew up primarily eating only ultra processed food.
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I remember going through the line in high school for lunch and just getting like a red fruit punch and
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six or seven rice crispy treats. And that was my lunch. I lived off snacks. That's all I ate.
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Chick-fil-A, McDonald's, Wendy's. I loved it all. And I never thought anything about it. I thought
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organic was a gimmick. I didn't even know what a GMO was. My family, I mean, my mom made home cooked
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meals every night, but we didn't know anything about seed oils or corn syrup or thought it was a big
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deal. And when the pandemic happened and we were all mandated to, you know, get a certain medical
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product, I was so deeply disturbed by that because I just thought in my spirit, that's so evil and
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wrong to tell people, like, if you do not put something inside of your body, you're not allowed
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to participate basically in the public sphere or you can't keep your job. You know, they told us that,
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well, you had a choice. No, you didn't. Because if you're wielding against somebody, you have to take
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this or you're going to lose your job, which I know, I know a girl at my old radio station, she had to
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quit because they told her as a breastfeeding mother, if you don't get this, you're going to lose your job.
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She said, well, I'm breastfeeding. I'm not getting this. Yeah. So then she quit. Um, that's not
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really giving people a choice. And so I thought that was super evil. And I had never really even
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thought of like the phrase big pharma before until that I started kind of seeing people say that. And
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I thought, well, that's interesting. I wonder what that is. And right at that time, Hulu came out with
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that Emmy award-winning show called dope sick. Did you ever end up watching that? I don't actually,
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I might have related bro. We watched a lot of TV during the COVID era. So we might have,
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it is so excellent. So if you like watch the first episode to see if you've watched it or not,
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you need to go back. It is phenomenal. Um, won tons of awards, but I was watching that. And if you
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don't know, dope sick is about the Purdue pharma scandal and Sackler family who created Oxycontin
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and you know, mass produced this knowing that it was an addictive opioid, even though they told people
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it wasn't. And basically the reason we have the opioid crisis now is because of the Sackler family and
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greed of this pharmaceutical company. I had never heard that story. Um, and that totally speaks to
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just personal privilege. My family growing up, I just hadn't been touched by the opioid crisis.
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So I really didn't know anything about it until watching that show. And I was so floored that the
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FDA could approve a drug knowing that it was addictive, knowing that this was killing people,
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um, you know, causing spikes in crime and mass destruction all over our rural communities,
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especially in the United States that led me to looking into, well, what other drugs has the FDA
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approved or have we kind of been marketed to that is totally safe, no side effects, uh, and really
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been duped by. And that led me to hormonal birth control. I had been on birth control for about 10
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years. I had never thought anything about it. It was never even posed to me as a question of,
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should you really be taking this or not? It was just automatic. Every single, you know,
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checkup visit. It was like, Oh, we're going to renew your prescription for this. And why was it
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initially? Why did your doctor say you needed it? Couldn't tell you. Couldn't tell you. I was 14
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or 15 years old. They probably said, you know, do your cramps hurt when your period starting? Yeah.
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Okay. We're going to put this on you. And this is what's so annoying to me about like a lot of
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discourse on X in super legalistic, conservative Christian circles is this conversation of like,
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well, if a girl is on birth control or was ever on birth control, then, you know, she's,
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she's a whore sleeping around or whatever. It's like for most of us, our generation,
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we were just put on it. I mean, really, we had no informed consent whatsoever about what was going
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on. We're not sexually active. It was literally like I was 17. I had mono and I think I missed my
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period one month because I was feeling sick. And she was like, Oh, you missed your period. Let's get
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you on birth control to get you regular. And then I was on it for like the next five years of my life.
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And it wasn't to actually prevent pregnancy. It was literally just because one doctor told me that I
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should when I was 17. You're right. Most women, that's their story. Yeah. And it's so, so it's so
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frustrating. And I didn't know, you know, I didn't know that when you're prescribed hormonal birth
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control for 10 years, if you take it 10 years more that you have a 230% increase likelihood of
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developing an autoimmune disease, which now I have, I didn't know that it completely alters who you are
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attracted to in a man, in a mate that when you're on birth control, you are more attracted to a
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feminine looking man than masculine. Yes. Now, like the guy in severance, what's his name?
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It was also Leslie Knope's husband. Yes. Yes. What's his name? Adam Scott. That's the, I mean,
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that's what you're typically attracted to if you're on hormonal birth control. I saw someone say,
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is anyone attracted to Adam Scott who is not on an SSRI? I was like, I don't know.
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Well, and you know who else? And guess who I had a crush, who was my celebrity crush in high school?
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Michael Cera from Juno. I mean, that guy, he, him and Adam Scott are in that same category of like
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very like, like soft, like kind of beta boy type of guys. So yeah, I didn't know any of that. Like
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this was never disclosed to me in my initial checkup. And so that piqued my interest. And I
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just started like posting on my stories to my followers. And this was like summer of 2021,
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I think. And I started posting. I was like, did you guys know this about birth control? Did you
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know this? And I could see my story share. So like, it was just like thousands of people sharing my
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story out of nowhere. Um, when I would post about hormonal birth control and I thought, Oh wow,
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I've hit a nerve here. My audience, just like me, they didn't know this information. I mean,
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nobody in the conservative movement, the only people talking about birth control,
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I think around that time was Evie magazine was, was kind of talking about, we both started talking
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about it around the same time. Like nobody was really talking about this, like in the pro-life
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circles or anything, because it was very touchy. Like, Ooh, we don't want to rock that boat. Same
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with IVF. You were the first person to start talking about like ethics with IVF and big fertility. Like
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nobody wanted to touch that because it was like, if we poke that bear, then we're going to lose all
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the people that are like mushy middle pro-lifers. Um, and so it was like not popular to talk about birth
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control or IVF or whatever at that time. Um, and so I started talking about it and I could see like
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my numbers just spike. And that led me to then investigating and going down the rabbit hole of
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big food, understanding that like only a handful of food companies control everything. And the
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consequences of that, um, you know, how our food is engineered to be as addictive as possible,
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how it's, it's not, it doesn't really matter how much you're moving. If you're eating ultra
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processed food at night, after you run, you know, a lap around your neighborhood, you're not going to lose
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the weight, um, that so much of this system is rigged. It's like almost impossible to find true
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unbiased nutrition information that even the food pyramid I grew up with was completely bought and
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paid for. It was a total scam. I mean, every aspect for a millennial woman of medicine, of
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nutrition, of pharma was a lie. It was completely rigged and we were set up for failure. GMOs were
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introduced to our generation. The vaccine schedule exploded on our generation. We were all put on birth
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control. I mean, millennial women have by far been, we were millennial women were experimenting on
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without our consent. And when I testified at the United States Senate in September of 2024 with RFK
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junior, that was what I did my speech on was that none of us knew what we were agreeing to. And now
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we're all trying to start families. We're trying to have kids. And if we even can get pregnant,
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then trying to raise kids in this completely rigged system, it's nearly impossible. And so hopefully
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this is what's now going to be changing with RFK junior in charge of HHS. Yeah. I remember,
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I think it was probably almost exactly five years ago, maybe a little, maybe like spring of 2020.
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Cause I remember I was recording at home and it was COVID and I did an episode about birth control,
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IVF and surrogacy. Cause it was around this time. I think a lot of people were on the same journey
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being like, okay, is this okay? What about all these things that doctors have been telling us
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for so many years? And I remember doing that episode and being scared. I'm like, Oh, I'm
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talking about birth control, IVF and surrogacy. This is like you said, a subject that a lot of
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pro-lifers don't want to wade into. And I was nervous, but it's amazing how much that has shifted
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over the past few years. Now everyone's talking about it. Now I would say surrogacy and IVF are still
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very touchy issues, but certainly, and it, you know, it's not just me. I was inspired by people
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like Jennifer Law and Katie Faust who had been talking about it for a long time and it has
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shifted. A lot of people are realizing the issues with all of these problems, especially when it
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comes to reproductive technology. Yeah. And it's hard. It's hard when, you know, the president supports
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it and obviously we support the president, but we don't support everything. And so it's an interesting
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kind of landmine to walk through on that conversation. But, um, I agree with you. I
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think that in the next decade, I think that's going to become less and less popular with Christian
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conservatives because it's at a certain point, just like with all these other things, uh, that
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we turned a blind eye to, there comes a certain point where you just cannot deny the evidence and
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the biblical reality. It's untenable. Is this right or wrong? Totally.
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So you went on this kind of research rabbit hole, but not everyone who goes down this research rabbit
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hole and learns the truth about things, make their own personal lives kind of match what they
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research. So you went on a personal journey because you were chicken nugget queen. You also would,
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and I loved these videos, like you would take us with you to get your Botox and to get your lip
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fillers. You would talk about how like, you don't like eating salads. You don't like eating
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vegetables. You would rate the different kinds of chicken nuggets, which I loved, you know,
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it's just like fun content, but obviously that changed for you. So tell me personally what that
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looked like and how you started making those changes. Cause if you were raised your whole life
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on junk food, that's a big deal to shift away from that. So one thing about me that drives my best
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friend, Lauren nuts is that I am black and white. There's never nuance. I am all in, or I am all
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out. When I become obsessed with something, I'm like, Oh, I'm changing everything. Like there is no
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baby steps with me. I have to do it all at once or I'm not committed. And so when it came to the
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food, that was the first thing I started on. I just woke up one day and I said, I'm never eating
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fast food again. I'm never like all my ultra process stacks. I'm throwing them out. I'm going to
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the grocery store. I'm redoing my entire cabinet. I mean, it was all like one weekend and I stuck to it.
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I feel like you posted about this. I might even remember it. Did you post about it at the time?
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I don't even know. I don't even know anymore, but yeah, I was just all in. Now I, this overwhelms
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99% of people. So my advice for the average person who is just kind of starting to be like, Hey,
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I want to live cleaner. I want to live healthier. I want to make these changes for my family.
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My advice is find one ingredient that you want to learn about. So maybe that's seed oils or maybe it's
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artificial food dyes. And you're going to be like, okay, I want to learn everything I can about seed
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oils. I'm going to get so good, expert level good at reading this in a label, spotting it so that I
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can then remove everything in my pantry, in my freezer, in my fridge that has seed oils in it.
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And you're going to eliminate everything in your life that has that ingredient. And then
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whether that takes two weeks till you feel expert level or a year, you will then move on to the next
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thing, you know, uh, high fructose corn syrup or whatever it is. And then you're going to,
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you're going to start phasing that out of your family's life. And so that works for most people.
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I'm just an all in person. So I started with the food. Um, and then the very, very last thing for
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me was Botox. I stopped getting lip filler because several years ago, because I started just seeing
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beauty trends change. So it was just really in to have super huge, juicy lips. And then all of a
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sudden it became ugly. So that was me. Like I was convinced honestly, because I'm a trend watcher
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and I love, like, I love when Gen Z says, this is in, this is out or whatever, even as a millennial,
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I'm like, Ooh, fun. I love fashion and stuff. So I like changing my look as, as times change,
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still keeping things age appropriate, but like making little shifts. So I was on board with like,
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okay, lip filler is kind of going out. So that's why I stopped getting lip filler Botox. I was hanging
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on to dear life for, and I want to make this preface. I was hanging on to Botox as my like one
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little thing that I was doing. And when I tell you that I am perfect about food, I am 99.8% perfect
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on my food. So for me getting nails done, dying my hair, you know, I mix and match toxic and non-toxic
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makeup and skincare. And then I was doing Botox. What ended up happening was the last time I got Botox,
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which was, we're going on two years ago. I had flu-like symptoms for a week. A month goes by,
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I get my hair done. My hairstylist is washing my hair. She says, something is not right with you.
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Your hair is falling out. But that was scary. It was super scary. She said, I think you need to go
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get your thyroid checked. I waited about six months. I went and did the whole Dutch hormone test, found
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out that I had an autoimmune disease that I have Hashimoto's, um, hair falling out, hair loss, things like
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that. That's all attributed to Hashimoto's. What happened, I believe was a combination of a lifelong
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of every vaccine flu shot every single fall, like clockwork always just thought good people get a
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flu shot, uh, Botox since I was about 23 years old, every three months. And also, you know, toxin
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overload in my life, fragrance, artificial fragrance, candles, perfumes, you know, in my makeup products,
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in my body washes, uh, the food that I was eating. So birth control for 10 years, my toxic load
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bucket had started to overflow. And that last round of Botox, I believe is what tipped me over the edge
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and where I couldn't handle it any longer. And so I thought I can't do this anymore because I know
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people that have had, uh, you know, Botox illness and permanent damage with Botox. And I just thought
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I could be one round away from, you know, being majorly sick from Botox. So I couldn't risk it any
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longer. I knew it was exacerbating my autoimmune. Yeah. Gosh, it is tempting. And sometimes I've never
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had Botox or fillers or anything like that. But yesterday I was at the dentist and the dentist was
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saying, you hold so much tension right here, which of course I do. I always have. She was like,
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have you ever considered like Botox right there? And I was like, could I get away with it if it's
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for a medical reason? And I could justify it by saying it's not just vanity. Then she started
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saying that, you know, it could make your face look slimmer and all of that stuff. But I've also
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heard stories of it causing like Bell's palsy in your face, especially when it's so close to these
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nerves. Like it would not be worth it. It would not be worth it. I'm just got a gua sha, maybe a little
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bit better on my masseters instead of injecting myself with toxins. Want me to tell you something
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crazy about Botox nobody is talking about? Yes, please. So first of all, everybody wants to bring
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up that Botox is a neurotoxin. That is true. And that is a risk in and of itself. But the ingredient
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that no one is talking about is a human derivative, is a derivative of human blood. Now we do not know,
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it is not disclosed to the consumer. If this derivative of human blood and Botox contains
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the mRNA vaccine, that is a massive risk that consumers should know. And the other thing is,
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and here's what I'm going to say that's going to be controversial and everybody's going to get very
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upset. This is the number one thing. If I, there are two things, Allie, that I talk about that piss
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people off. It's Taylor Swift and it's Botox. Oh, we haven't even gotten to Taylor Swift yet.
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Oh gosh, I forgot about that. Forgot about that with this show. Um, so the thing about Botox is
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you and I are about the same age. We're about a year apart and your skin looks great. And you're
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like, your skin looks, you're wrinkle free. I don't know if you've noticed, and I'm just going
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to say it and people are going to say mean girl energy and that's fine. I don't care.
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I look so much younger than basically everyone that I graduated high school with. When I see
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pictures of them way more like fine lines and wrinkles starting to develop now that we're in
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our early thirties, I attribute my wrinkle freeness to getting Botox starting in my mid twenties. Now I
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know that that's going to upset everybody. That is not to say that there's clearly a risk that my toxin
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bucket overflowed. I think part of me developing an autoimmune disease and everything like that,
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I think Botox contributed, but I still think that I can say Botox also helped my face not settle into
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fine lines and wrinkles. I think I, I am so, I have so much expression when I talk, there is no way
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that I would not have way deeper fine lines right now if I wouldn't have been getting that. So I
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think two things can be true. I think the product can work for some people, but there's also a massive
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risk. So you have to decide for yourself as a consumer is, you know, it's worth the risk
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for me to try getting this or is it not? And then that's up to you. But the people that freak
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out, like, um, you know, you can't talk about this. You couldn't get this. You need to age gracefully
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or whatever. Boo on you. I don't care. Like, I don't think that there's anything wrong with wanting
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to age, um, slower than somebody else, but people like really grab onto that. Like, I don't know. It's
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almost like people just get real like pious about it. Like, um, I'm better than you because I'm choosing
00:22:09.620
to not dye my hair or do anything or wear very much makeup and I'm aging gracefully. And they
00:22:13.560
just really like to wield that over people. And I just think, I think it's silly. Yeah. And that's
00:22:18.420
fine. And people can disagree with me on that. But, um, you know, Costi Henn and I were just
00:22:23.580
talking about this because we got asked about it on stage in a Q and a, and I think you go to
00:22:27.240
Costi's church, right? Yes. And I was just doing a women's conference with him over the weekend
00:22:31.360
and someone asked us about this and he made a good point about not being pious and not assuming
00:22:36.840
someone's motives are just vanity. If they do have like lip fillers or something like
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it always goes to the heart. And for me, I do have to ask myself, like, what is my motivation?
00:22:48.360
And while I don't think it's something to wield over people, I do think that it is worth having
00:22:53.860
a conversation with yourself and asking you what is motivating me to do any kind of beauty
00:22:59.380
thing, whatever it is. Is it just like my preference or do I think that more people are going to
00:23:03.940
like me? Am I afraid of aging? Because I agree, like I will do everything non-invasive to try to
00:23:10.920
age as like gracefully as possible and to prevent those wrinkles. But I also have to remind myself
00:23:17.040
that I'm 33 and I will not look like I did at 25. I won't look like a 22 year old and that's okay.
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And I have to accept that and be like, not everyone had the blessing of turning 33.
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That's true. So there is, I think, a conversation to be had with yourself,
00:23:33.280
an honest conversation because doing things strictly out of vanity is going to lead you
00:23:38.220
down a path that is like never ending. Well, and here's the other spicy thing that everyone's
00:23:41.900
going to get mad at me for saying. Okay. Anecdotally. Okay. And there's not been official research on
00:23:47.340
this, but I'm saying anecdotally, all these women that talk about, oh, you know, Botox poisoning and I
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develop this problem and, and whatever. Groupons. I'm just saying, wait, that's what caused it
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because it was the cheaper version. You, I'm saying if you are going to take the risk and
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you're going to get Botox, you better use the, you better not take any shortcuts. Oh yeah. You
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better find an expert injector that you trust with your life and, and pay a pretty penny for it.
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The Groupon women getting Botox are almost always the ones saying like, I had a bad side effect or I
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had a bad, you know, I had a bad outcome. Yeah. So I'm just saying, ask them, did you use a Groupon
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Okay. You've talked about the 80-20. 80 being really strict, health conscious, the 20 for indulgences.
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Is that something that you hold to? And if so, what's your 20?
00:26:08.680
No, I don't hold to it. And let me tell you, this whole thing is just crap because-
00:26:12.100
Oh, I thought that came from you. I thought you said 80-20.
00:26:14.780
Everyone says it. I make a joke of people that say this because here's the truth.
00:26:19.680
Majority of people, when they say like, well, this is part of my 80-20, I'm 80-20. You're not.
00:26:23.700
You're not. Because the average American is truly not completely cutting out ultra processed food.
00:26:30.540
They're still going to Chick-fil-A a couple times a week, you know, or before baseball practice or
00:26:36.400
whatever. I mean, almost no one is really eating that way. And so your 80-20 actually becomes more
00:26:43.520
like, uh, like, geez, 40-60 and the 40 is what is clean. And the 60 is what is not. I mean,
00:26:52.200
that's what is probably more accurate for most people. So for me, I mean, when I tell you, so like
00:26:58.260
today, today before the show, my team was like, okay, if you want to drink besides water,
00:27:04.200
the only option that we're going to be able to do while we're here and we're filming or whatever
00:27:07.280
is we're going to have to do a Starbucks run. What do you want? Now, the last time I had Starbucks,
00:27:11.120
I don't even know. I don't even know. It's probably been over a year. I don't ever go out.
00:27:16.000
My, my whole department will go and get Chick-fil-A or whatever. And I'm the only one that won't do it.
00:27:20.320
Um, I truly withstand like getting any of that food. What's in my 20 or I don't even think it's a 20.
00:27:27.860
I really think I'm more like 90, 10 is hair, skin, and nails. I mean, that's my beauty stuff
00:27:34.800
and then clothing, clothing materials. So if you really want to talk about like the crunchiest
00:27:38.880
of the crunchy, I mean, those people are literally only wearing wool, cotton, linen. Some people
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adhere to that. It's just not possible with you and I, with all the events that we do, you know,
00:27:47.940
formal gowns, you know, filming shows needing to look nice, like, sorry, but we need to have cute
00:27:52.160
outfits. So it's like, I'm not going to only be wearing natural fibers. Yeah. That is like the
00:27:57.600
hardest thing. I got this ball gown for that, like turning point inaugural ball and it was
00:28:02.120
beautiful. And then when I looked on the inside labels, a hundred percent polyester, it's so hard.
00:28:07.480
We're wearing oil byproducts. You know what I mean? It's like, what are we going to do?
00:28:10.100
So that's not realistic to me. So I would say that's in my like 10% of not clean, but I mean,
00:28:16.040
everyone that works with me can vouch for, I do practice what I preach and people get very upset
00:28:21.920
about that. They think I'm lying or it's not possible. It is possible. You just don't want to do it.
00:28:25.120
We prioritize what is important to us, whether that's screen time for your kids or it's, you know,
00:28:31.480
the food that you're feeding your family. If you really want to, you will. And people do not like
00:28:37.060
that conviction and that accountability. And so I just tell people you're not working hard enough.
00:28:42.180
If you really care about this and you're learning all this stuff with the Maha movement and you know
00:28:46.240
that what we're saying is true, you need to do something about it. I just interviewed somebody.
00:28:50.260
He made such a good point. He said, people think, uh, you know, we only vote every four
00:28:55.280
years. You don't, you vote when it comes to food and pharma three times a day, what's going
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on your plate. So those decisions that the woman is making for her household and her family
00:29:04.600
are so unbelievably critical into completely reshaping the market in the food that is offered
00:29:10.100
in the food that is sold in our grocery stores. It is the mother that is making those decisions
00:29:14.320
that impacts it. So if you are not willing to go all in, you are holding the Maha movement
00:29:19.620
back. Yeah, that's really good. And I know that you do practice what you preach and you
00:29:24.180
talk about it a lot too. There's a lot of transparency with you, which I'm sure maybe make some people
00:29:30.100
feel bad, but I think a lot of the, you make me feel bad about this really is just conviction
00:29:36.380
and really is just guilt. And we've all experienced that to some degree.
00:29:40.840
Yes. All the time. I do all the time too. I mean, oh my gosh, Kosti Hinn is my, is my preacher.
00:29:45.800
I feel convicted all the time. He just did a whole sermon on forgiveness and, and how unbiblical it is
00:29:51.160
to not forgive people. Oh, and I love my grudges. So that is very hard for me. So yes, I have other
00:29:56.680
things in my life where, you know, I feel those things, but, um, I feel really confident about, uh,
00:30:01.880
about all the health and wellness practices that I do. Yeah. Okay. Let's shift into professional
00:30:07.440
conversation about the branding change for a culture apothecary because you and I talk behind
00:30:11.820
the scenes. And before the shift to culture apothecary, I think it's okay for me to say,
00:30:16.720
like, you were feeling a little burned out. Like there were days that you were like, you were like,
00:30:21.540
I don't want to, I don't know if I want to do this anymore. I feel so much pressure. I want to build
00:30:24.800
an audience. Do people still love politics? I love politics, but do I? And so like, we had those kinds
00:30:30.260
of conversations, I don't know, a year and a half ago, maybe even two years ago when you were
00:30:34.980
wondering, do I even really want to do this anymore? And it seems to me from an outsider's
00:30:40.200
perspective that there has just been new life breathed into you and your career, your professional
00:30:45.780
pursuits over the past year, since this shift has happened into Maha. Well, thank you. Yeah. I would
00:30:51.300
like to think so. Um, and I think that shows that I'm truly passionate about this. And so I think it
00:30:55.740
comes out in my work that, um, you know, there is more, you know, new life breathed into the show,
00:31:01.320
but I was doing this pop culture show. I mean, I started, I got hired at turning point 2019. So
00:31:06.220
what I was like 26 and that made sense. There was no pop culture show in the conservative movement,
00:31:12.580
like a daily show, just covering entertainment news from a conservative perspective. Yeah. And so
00:31:16.380
I started doing that and that was fun and it was needed. And it was, you know, like I created that
00:31:20.820
a couple months before the pandemic. And that was what we needed that like fun and silliness and levity
00:31:26.160
in such a scary dark time when a lot of us were working from home and just, you know, it was just
00:31:31.700
like such a stupid show, but like it had a purpose. It was stupid while also kind of being like the
00:31:37.300
introductory point to conservatism for a lot of young women that were like, Ooh, conservatism scary.
00:31:43.880
I don't know. They don't seem like fun people. And like this kind of showed like, we are fun. We like
00:31:47.500
pop culture. We can keep up with the Kardashians. You know, it was like, it was that, um, and that
00:31:52.600
had its purpose. But as I got older, just as my audience is getting older, you know, I'm hitting
00:31:57.720
my thirties and I'm like, I have other things that I think are more important that I want to talk
00:32:02.060
about. Like when I was totally radicalized on health and wellness throughout the pandemic,
00:32:06.360
that was important to me. Like, I need people to know this. Like, I feel like I am wasting precious
00:32:11.760
time for these people who are getting married and starting families and having kids, this information
00:32:15.980
that could be life changing for their families by not talking about it. I felt a huge pressure to talk
00:32:22.120
about this. And it was a fight. It was a fight behind the scenes for me to completely transition
00:32:27.360
and focus on this. There was a lot of, I think this is a mistake. Do people really want to talk
00:32:31.840
about health and wellness all day? Uh, I don't understand what this has to do with the conservative
00:32:35.840
movement. Why would we talk about health? And I was saying, I mean, what I was screaming blue in the
00:32:41.640
face, I was like, this is the future of the conservative movement with women. If you do not listen to me,
00:32:47.560
we are going to lose a massive amount of female voters. This subject can change the election. We
00:32:53.680
can win the election with undecided female voters. If we focus on health and wellness,
00:32:58.880
everybody thought I was nuts. When I, we have our women's conference every June with turning point,
00:33:04.220
the women's leadership summit in last year, you know, last January, we're planning for June and I'm
00:33:09.500
going, we need to focus on health and it needs to be 90% health and wellness. Nobody wanted to do that.
00:33:14.500
It was like, this seems insane. I don't understand this. This is a wild hair that Alex has. Uh, I think
00:33:20.100
we're really going to regret this. They begrudgingly let me do it. Two months later, RFK comes out and
00:33:25.640
endorses Trump on stage. Now I was right. Um, and I made sure everybody knew it, but, but I could see
00:33:37.080
the writing on the wall because when I would talk about health and wellness issues and what's wrong
00:33:41.980
with our food system and what's wrong with the pharmaceutical industry being completely corrupted
00:33:45.780
in America, my numbers and my downloads were like four times the size. And so what happened was RFK
00:33:52.300
comes out on stage, endorses Trump says, we're going to focus on making America healthy. Again,
00:33:55.660
it's going to become a core tenant of the Trump campaign. President Trump is talking about it.
00:33:59.280
Now all of a sudden the conservative movement is well now who in the conservative movement is
00:34:02.440
focusing on health. It was me because I had started that transition about like a year ahead of time
00:34:06.840
with my content. And then my rebrand officially happened like two weeks after RFK comes out and
00:34:13.400
endorses Trump. And then I testify at the Senate on this issue. And it just all was like God opening
00:34:18.760
doors, like one after the, one after the other. And I became like the conservative health and wellness
00:34:25.060
girl. And I just thought like, okay, this is the time, like God was preparing me for this. I needed
00:34:30.280
to go through being the chicken nugget princess and getting all the Botox and thinking that GMOs were
00:34:36.520
stupid so that I could be the perfect person to kind of address these women who have been in the
00:34:42.200
same boat as me as Christian conservatives and millennials, especially being like, we were sold
00:34:46.580
a lie. I fell for it too. We have to completely change everything that we've known and thought
00:34:51.600
for our entire lives. If I would have been somebody that's, oh, I've always been drinking raw milk. I've
00:34:57.140
always said the birth control was poison. Nobody's going to listen to me, but I'm going through the
00:35:00.560
journey with them. So it worked out perfectly for me to kind of learn as I'm going at the same time
00:35:06.320
as my audience. And so I think that's bowed really well. But yeah, I mean, when I transitioned to all
00:35:10.480
of this, I was more excited. It was like, finally, I understood, like I liked politics, but I don't think
00:35:15.820
I ever felt like I was home. I don't think that I ever felt like this is what I'm going to do for the
00:35:20.480
rest of my life. And also I'm not an idiot. I've been in media and I've been hosting number one
00:35:25.060
shows since I was 18 years old in different markets, in different cities. I've been doing
00:35:28.040
this for a long time. Yeah. People might not know you have a background in radio. Yeah. So I started
00:35:31.960
doing morning radio with pop morning shows. I started as an 18 year old. And so I understand
00:35:37.840
that you have to be willing to, to grow, to move, to get uncomfortable in order to grow your audience
00:35:44.920
and to outlive, like to survive this industry. If you're like, I'm going to do the same thing
00:35:50.620
forever, never change, like no little shifts at all. Like your show's going to die. Like
00:35:55.520
you're not going to, to, to survive and pop. I'm sorry, but pop culture when I'm 40, it's
00:36:00.240
not going to, it's not going to work. So I understood that with that content also, there
00:36:05.300
was a very obvious expiration date. Brett Cooper is going to experience that. I mean, I've talked
00:36:10.800
to her about that. Like there comes a point with that content where it's like, okay, I have
00:36:14.580
to shift to something else or like, it's going to be silly me doing this. So it's like every
00:36:18.340
talent, if you start doing that in your teens or your twenties, like you shift over. I mean,
00:36:21.460
you see that with YouTubers all the time and everything that focus on pop culture. But I
00:36:26.240
just knew that healthy wellness is like forever. That's something that I can become a mother
00:36:29.960
with. I can, you know, have a family with and talk about this content and it doesn't seem
00:36:33.420
weird or out of place. You know, my content can shift to now focusing a lot more on kids
00:36:38.000
and whatever. And so it just was the right move. I felt like for longevity in my career
00:36:42.960
and, um, I fought tooth and nail for it and I'm so glad that I did. And, you know, same
00:36:48.360
with politics. When I started politics, basically everyone outside Turning Point thought this
00:36:53.300
is stupid. What a waste of time for the conservative movement. This is embarrassing for the conservative
00:36:57.780
movement. I was so made fun of on Twitter at the time for that show. Um, just people being
00:37:03.120
like, who the heck is this girl? This is the stupidest show I've ever seen. Like this is
00:37:05.900
an embarrassment to the, to the movement for them. It wasn't for them. And I knew
00:37:08.960
that I knew who I was talking to and they needed it and it was the right risk. And so
00:37:12.660
sometimes I think when it comes to wanting to have a career in media, especially in the
00:37:16.640
conservative movement, like you've got to find where is there a hole and where can I
00:37:22.040
kind of create a niche that is needed and create a product that doesn't exist. Um, and
00:37:26.860
a lot of people want to like get into what you and I do and just, I just want to talk about
00:37:29.700
conservative news. Sorry, but that's almost nearly impossible that you're going to be, be
00:37:33.600
a success. You have to be an absolute mega superstar like Candace Owens, Charlie
00:37:38.940
Kirk, Ben Shapiro, Glenn Beck. You have to be those types of people to survive. And almost
00:37:44.280
none of us are those people. I am not that person. I would be, you know, way over my
00:37:49.800
head. If I was going on college campuses and trying to debate kids, I would suck. You're
00:37:53.500
really good at debate. I am not, but what I know what I'm good at. And I stuck with that
00:37:57.480
and I've grown with that. And so, you know, it's people ask me all the time, like, well,
00:38:00.940
I want to do what you do or I want to do what Allie does. And it's, you have to really
00:38:03.820
focus on like, okay, what is super niche, find your niche. What is super unique about
00:38:07.940
me or a unique take that I can give? Like with you, it's always Christian biblical worldview
00:38:12.780
on cultural and political news. That's your niche. So like Allie is doing that. So anyway,
00:38:18.460
that's my advice for people that want to get into this and how can I grow and how can I
00:38:23.840
Do you have any misgivings about RFK within the Maha movement? Are you 100% gung-ho about
00:38:32.500
what he's going to do in the CDC? Do you have any concerns about his background,
00:38:37.600
about his abortion position? Or do you feel like in this role, like he's ready to rock and
00:38:43.820
I'm not concerned about RFK Jr. and his abortion views whatsoever as a pro-life conservative.
00:38:49.360
RFK Jr. and Trump said this, he's not touching anything besides the health stuff. I mean,
00:38:53.460
he has nothing to do with abortion. So while personally him and I disagree on a lot of things
00:38:58.680
politically, I mean, that's why I didn't want to vote for him as president because I do disagree
00:39:02.300
with him on abortion and foreign policy. And I mean, he agrees with like affirmative action and
00:39:07.700
different things that I don't. So as a president, disaster. As, you know, being in charge of health
00:39:15.020
and human services, absolute five-star incredible. He's going to bring back five-star gold science
00:39:22.080
standards that we've been needing desperately for decades. You know, we've got Dr. Marty McCary
00:39:28.080
in charge of the FDA. Yeah. Yeah. He's been on your show. So you know him and we got to testify
00:39:32.700
in the Senate. So that's where I met him. I didn't know who Marty was before that. And
00:39:36.140
Jay Bhattacharya, Dr. Bhattacharya, I think he's involved to some degree in the Trump administration
00:39:41.240
too. He's another one of those like, um, Ivy league educated doctors who, you know, came out
00:39:47.000
against the COVID mandates and all of that. So it's not just RFK. Like there are a lot of people
00:39:54.040
There's a lot of people that are going to do good. And listen, there's some people that I don't like.
00:39:57.420
I am not crazy about our USDA pick, uh, of, uh, department of agriculture, Brooke. She's
00:40:03.440
a seed oil lobbyist. Um, so that was an interesting choice that I disagree with. Yeah. Uh, so that
00:40:10.280
wasn't someone I would have chosen. I would have loved to see Congressman Massey in that
00:40:14.720
position. That's who I was rooting for. Uh, so, you know, that was a disappointment, but
00:40:18.780
with everything that's good, I think there's still a lot of changes that can be made that
00:40:23.160
will be beneficial. And maybe, you know, here's the thing too. And I've said this before,
00:40:27.420
when it comes to somebody like Brooke, who has ties to different things and food things
00:40:30.540
that I disagree with, I was doing that two years ago. You know, I wasn't who I am now
00:40:36.920
when it comes to health and wellness two years ago. So for her, you know, being in this
00:40:40.380
administration, hearing what she's going to hear now from people like Dr. Marty or RFK
00:40:44.540
junior, she could be changed and be like, Oh my gosh, everything that I did before in my
00:40:48.180
career, like I totally disagree with it. I've been completely changed. I have a change of
00:40:51.480
heart. I want to, you know, run the department of agriculture totally differently. I want to run
00:40:54.560
the USDA totally differently. Um, she could have, you know, a total mind change and we
00:40:59.360
don't know. So I don't want to say so much good. Like she will do a good job in that role.
00:41:03.720
She is a really good leader. I really like Brooke. I didn't know about some of the seed
00:41:07.340
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00:41:11.400
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Okay. Let's talk about some fun stuff because we've got about 12 or so minutes left. I want to
00:42:43.580
talk about your love life, which you've been sort of open about on social media. You've shared about,
00:42:49.820
you know, singleness and the different guys that you've dated, but now you have a boyfriend named
00:42:55.080
Steve and this seems different than the past relationships you've had.
00:42:58.140
Oh, it's completely different. This is it. Okay. Tell me about them.
00:43:01.600
So nobody knows this, but Steve and I met on Hinge and I actually was home. I was, uh,
00:43:12.900
this is right when my dad passed away. And I mean, I was there for a very long time. I was home in
00:43:17.240
Indiana, bored to death, honestly, like just dealing with that, the ins and outs of that,
00:43:21.460
um, for like, you know, a little over three weeks. And I just thought one night, like, okay,
00:43:26.320
I'm just going to get on Hinge. I'm going to put my location back home in Scottsdale,
00:43:29.140
which is where I live. And I'm just going to swipe because there's just nothing else to do.
00:43:32.740
Um, and you know, I've been on Hinge off and on for a few years. Like I'll get on for a couple
00:43:36.300
months and then I'll delete it and I'll be off for a year or two and then I'll get back on. And,
00:43:40.340
um, so I was on there and he had this outrageous prompt that said something like pick our first date,
00:43:46.220
hot air balloon ride over Ukraine, candlelit dinner at the Gaza Strip, or like go get a polar
00:43:51.580
pop at Circle K, like some ghetto cross streets in Phoenix. And I laughed out loud. I was like,
00:43:55.760
this is like hilarious. Uh, and so not politically correct. And so I just commented, I said, like,
00:44:01.240
I'm obsessed with this. Like, this is hilarious. Like how many girls are like upset and offended
00:44:04.880
by this prompt. And so we started talking and I mean, it was like the wittiest, funniest back and
00:44:11.040
forth. And I texted my friends like after a couple hours of talking to him and he had gotten my number
00:44:16.420
and then we were texting and I texted my friends that night and I said, guys, this is so, I said,
00:44:20.140
I have not, I said, guys, this is crazy. Like I do not remember since high school ever talking to a
00:44:27.060
guy and laughing so hard that I'm crying. Like the entire time we're talking, like, I don't know.
00:44:32.060
I just have not, I mean, I've had like boyfriends and like different things that we had in common,
00:44:35.440
whatever, but nobody's like really made me laugh so hard. Like my stomach hurt. And this guy was so
00:44:40.140
funny. And like, and in the midst of this, we're having serious conversation. And I mean, I'm,
00:44:44.640
I'm like bringing stuff up and, and, and making sure that we're like aligned on different things.
00:44:48.080
And like, he's hitting all the marks and I'm like, what the heck? This is such an anomaly. And gosh,
00:44:51.760
it was so good to laugh too, in the midst of like dealing with such tremendous grief with my dad
00:44:57.280
passing away. And so it was like, it was just such a relief to like have that. And he, you know,
00:45:03.200
he's asking me like, what's going on? Um, you know, when are you home? Like, let's, let's go out.
00:45:07.680
And so I go on this first date. Did you know who you are? Had no idea. He didn't, he didn't follow you.
00:45:11.480
He, he saw like on my Hinge profile, it said podcaster, but I don't say anything besides that,
00:45:15.240
like for my job. And so he did ask, he's like, what podcast and things like that. And so when
00:45:19.320
he tells it now, he kind of roast me, he's like, yeah, I'm going to see this girl on Hinge. She's
00:45:22.260
like, I'm a podcaster. I'm like, okay, what's your real day job? And like, he kind of like made
00:45:26.600
fun of me. And then he's like, Oh, this is like legit. Yeah. Um, and so he had no idea who I was,
00:45:32.120
uh, had not really, I don't even think he had really voted in any election until this one.
00:45:37.840
And he, yeah, he had voted for Trump and that was like his first time voting. And so like,
00:45:40.860
he had just started like kind of dipping his toe in politics. So he's not like in this world
00:45:45.460
whatsoever. Like he knew who Charlie Kirk was, but like, that was about it. And so we go on this
00:45:50.640
first date from the moment we see each other, it's like lightning in a bottle, really insane
00:45:56.660
attraction. Can't stop talking, can barely eat our food because we just cannot stop talking to each
00:46:01.600
other. It's like, he's the male version of me, like a psychotic, uh, you know, funny witty,
00:46:06.580
like just off the wall. Like that is him. It's me as a guy. And I, we end up talking so long at the
00:46:14.980
dinner portion that we're like, okay, let's go to the next place. So we like go to another place and
00:46:17.600
get cocktails so we can keep talking. And then we talk so long there and then we shut that place
00:46:21.780
down. We're like, okay, well we, we're not done talking like that. I mean, we're going on like
00:46:24.240
seven, eight hours on this first date. He lives very near there. So we go to his place. He has like a
00:46:28.400
beautiful rooftop with like a fire pit and stuff. So he grabs me a sweatshirt, uh, cause I had like a
00:46:32.940
little dress and boots on and we go up on his roof and we light a fire cause it's still pretty
00:46:36.200
cold. It's January. And, uh, we sit up there and we're talking for like another four hours and I,
00:46:42.840
and that date, I'm like, I'm taking this with me because I knew I was like, if I take this
00:46:47.780
sweatshirt with me, he has to see me again to get it back. So he texts his friends and he says,
00:46:52.000
she took my sweatshirt. Uh, so I'd have to see her again. I like this one. And I texted my friends
00:46:56.860
and I, they said, okay, one word overall, like what's your thoughts on this date? And I said, peace.
00:47:02.040
I had never felt so myself, so completely like secure and like everything about this man, the
00:47:09.600
physical chemistry, the intellectual chemistry, the emotional connection, everything was perfect.
00:47:16.080
Just clicked. Just clicked. And I also want to say this, and I know we have a short amount of time.
00:47:21.120
It's okay. The Christian circles on social media who say it is overrated, overblown. You do not need to
00:47:30.560
have any type of physical or sexual chemistry with the person that you marry. I just did a rant on
00:47:34.800
this. They are lying to you and they are setting you up for failure. Yeah. You also do not have to
00:47:40.780
have sex to know if you have sexual physical chemistry with somebody. You do not, you know,
00:47:46.860
instantly if you have sexual chemistry with somebody, it is something that's intangible.
00:47:51.600
It's indescribable. And I've been on plenty of dates that was like, Oh, he hits every box or
00:47:55.720
whatever. But like, I don't feel that like spark, like you should be with somebody that you are
00:48:01.080
marrying that you're like, I cannot wait to have sex with this person. Like I cannot wait. That is
00:48:05.480
like an absolute no brainer. The Christian people that are like, it doesn't really matter. That
00:48:09.860
shouldn't be, it is extremely important. It is. So I felt all of that with him. And one of the moments
00:48:14.520
was, which was like a non-sexual thing that I was like, Ooh, like this is amazing because I think
00:48:19.440
it's important for the single girlies that are like holding out. They're like, I wish I just want to have it
00:48:22.900
all. Like I want like the physical connection. I want the faith connection. Like I want to be
00:48:26.520
aligned biblically. I want to be aligned, you know, politically. You can wait for this. And
00:48:30.980
like this, it used to drive me nuts when people were like, when you know, you know, and I used to be
00:48:34.800
like, stop saying that. It is so annoying to me as somebody who really wants to be married. And like,
00:48:39.000
I'm waiting for this. Like that didn't make sense until I met him. And now it makes sense.
00:48:42.580
So now I get it, which is very frustrating for people that are single, but let me tell you something
00:48:45.840
that happened. When we were walking on the side of the street, there came a point where I was on the
00:48:49.480
outside and he was on the inside and to move me to be on the inside of the street. Like as a
00:48:55.500
gentleman, he put his hands kind of like on my waist and kind of moved my body like quick, like fast
00:49:01.740
inside. And I was like, Oh my gosh, that like very non-sexual touch. I like, it was like electricity.
00:49:08.120
Yeah. Um, when we kiss electricity, but like everything else so aligned. And by our second date too,
00:49:14.940
let me say this, it's clarity and direction and leading on the second date, he looked at me and
00:49:20.640
our second date was church together. Our second date, he looked at me after we left Costi's church
00:49:25.980
and he said, you're not going to see anybody else. I'm not seeing anybody else. I think we can call
00:49:30.760
this what it is. We're dating. Uh, a couple of weeks later said, I love you said like, I know you're
00:49:38.540
the person that I'm going to marry. Wait, when did this start? What month was this? It was first.
00:49:42.460
Our first date was first week of January. Okay. So really recent. This is, this is soon,
00:49:46.780
but it's like, it's one of those things where it's like, we absolutely know. Um, and he,
00:49:52.080
what's interesting too, is that he was the person that his friends were like, I don't know that he's
00:49:55.780
ever going to get married. Like they'd ask him every day he'd go on or whatever. It's like,
00:49:59.420
what do you think about her? Like, are you excited about it? Like he was never excited about anybody.
00:50:03.740
In fact, his hinge profile said, cause it gives you the option to say like, do you want to have kids?
00:50:08.680
And his said unsure. And that really freaked me out. Yeah. So that was like my one, like super
00:50:15.120
red flag about him before our first date. I said, I need to ask you about this because
00:50:18.180
if I'm not even going on the date with you, if this is the case, I said,
00:50:21.540
why does your hinge profile say unsure about kids? And he said, well, I've just never met a girl that
00:50:27.260
I could see being the wife and mother, you know, that I'm imagining. And so I've been like, well,
00:50:32.080
geez, I don't know. Like, I don't know that I can picture myself having kids and you know,
00:50:35.300
every serious girlfriend he's had and everything's like, I don't know. I don't know that I want kids.
00:50:38.220
And then he met me and he was like, I want everything with you. Like, I want the family.
00:50:41.900
I want everything. His, his parents, his best friends were all like, I mean, I've read the
00:50:46.060
messages of like, Oh, this is it. Like, we've never seen you talk about a girl like this. Like
00:50:50.160
we know this is it. Um, and met his family already. He's meeting mine. I have to go home to Indiana to do
00:50:57.060
my dad's memorial service. We kind of delayed it to get out of winter months. Cause I am from Indiana.
00:51:00.880
So we wanted people to be able to like show up. So just to make sure we're out of, uh, winter and
00:51:05.640
like it's beautiful weather, hopefully, uh, we're having my dad's memorial in April. And so he's
00:51:10.180
going to come with me. He's going to meet everybody. Uh, he's met some of my friends. He's going to meet
00:51:14.100
more of my friends, uh, there. And, um, yeah, we, we went ring shopping. That was a surprise on your
00:51:19.920
birthday, right? On my birthday. He took me ring shopping. He showed up and he said, we're going ring
00:51:24.440
shopping. So I did like a whole birthday weekend and the day before we went ring shopping, he said,
00:51:30.080
so do you want to know what one of your birthday surprises is? And I was like, well, sure. And he's
00:51:33.840
like, it's kind of an experience. And I was like, yeah, you know, I had no idea. Yeah. And he was
00:51:38.340
like, how would you like to go look at rings tomorrow? And I just sat with that for a second.
00:51:44.940
Cause like, I've wanted to hear that my entire life and not just with anybody. See, it's with him
00:51:49.360
that I'm like anyone else. I probably would've got real nervous. Like, cause I don't know, there's
00:51:53.000
things I need to work out. And that's the thing too, with talking about with him, with my friends,
00:51:56.060
it was like, it was always like a boyfriend. Well, he's amazing, but like, ah, everything's
00:52:01.440
so good. I really like him, but there's this one thing that like, we just kind of need to
00:52:04.360
work through whatever with him. I have no butts. I have no things that I'm worried about or need
00:52:08.740
to work through or like have questions or concerns, like none of it. Like, and so when he said, do you
00:52:13.360
want to go ring shopping? You know, and it was just to get, I want to do a custom design for my ring.
00:52:17.500
So it was more to like, get an idea of cut size color. Like we didn't buy anything. Like he's going to
00:52:22.600
add a few other things to it that I don't know about. So like when he does finally propose,
00:52:26.340
which I don't know when that will be, I think soon, but when that does happen, then I'm not
00:52:31.540
going to know anything else. And like, I'll be surprised with the final product, but he needed,
00:52:34.560
and I needed an idea of like cut and stone and size and all that. Cause also I think it's important.
00:52:40.280
And some girls are like, I got some comments when I posted that, that I disagreed with saying like,
00:52:44.860
well, if you're really marrying a guy that really, truly loves you, he should just know what you want.
00:52:48.380
Uh, no, I am extremely particular about everything that I wear, how I do my hair, my makeup. I mean,
00:52:54.240
anything like style wise, like I need to have a say in it. And I've never, I've never looked or
00:52:59.160
tried on wedding dresses. I've never looked or tried on rings. I have no idea what I want because
00:53:02.820
I knew that I wanted to save that moment to do all of it the first time when I knew I met my husband.
00:53:07.200
And so I, you know, went and tried things on and everything for the first time. I didn't know what
00:53:12.440
I wanted. So I had to have that experience. So I think it's, there's nothing wrong with
00:53:16.800
going ring shopping before your guy proposes. And you still want to love it in 10 years.
00:53:20.680
Well, exactly. And I do, I like still love my ring so much, but you know what? I sent a picture
00:53:25.280
to Chief Related Bro, like, this is what I want. He got a ring and his sister, my blessed sister-in-law
00:53:31.460
was like the ring that he got. I was like, that doesn't look like what she showed you.
00:53:35.360
And I eventually saw a picture of what he originally got. It was not what I wanted,
00:53:39.000
but he went back to the jewelry store and got what I wanted. And I still love my ring so much.
00:53:46.060
I just thought that was stupid to be like, well, you know, this just speaks to like,
00:53:49.060
he doesn't know her very well. That's why he has to take her with. I'm like, uh, no,
00:53:51.640
he knows me so well that he knows that I would want to go with to pick that out. Um, so anyway,
00:53:56.440
yeah, I, we're, I mean, he told me you're, we're going to be married by the end of the year.
00:54:01.760
Wow. Yeah. Okay. So short engagement, which I'm totally for.
00:54:06.340
Yes. I said the same thing last week when Chief Related Bro was on. I said, I hated when people said,
00:54:10.980
when you know, you know, and I really just like wanted some kind of formula, but it's not,
00:54:16.140
it really is that can't eat, can't sleep. I have to be with this person. And of course it's more than
00:54:22.720
that too. You have to be able to picture a future with them. Of course, it's a given that you have
00:54:26.520
to have the same values. They have to be a strong Christian, all of these things, but you also have
00:54:32.700
to click with them and love them and want to be with them. I just think romance is a gift that God
00:54:36.660
gave us and it would be silly to squander it. And so I love it. I love your story so much.
00:54:41.700
I'm so excited for you. I mean, the internet is going to freak out when you get engaged and you
00:54:46.320
got to meet him. Yes, I did. Yeah. Very brief, very briefly. You got to meet him and, um, you know,
00:54:51.880
everyone that's met him has loved him and like, Oh my gosh, he's literally, he's literally you as a
00:54:55.400
guy, like you guys are so silly together. And you know, I have always said that it was such this weird
00:55:00.620
specific thing that I knew I wanted. Like I needed somebody that was kind of like a psychopath hamster
00:55:04.620
like me and, and he is, but also, you know, Christian conservative, all the other things
00:55:09.220
that I wanted to do. Can you say, yeah, he, uh, so he has a business where he helps people
00:55:15.280
that own blue collar businesses understand like Facebook marketing, things like that to
00:55:19.100
scale their business. Because a lot of people that like, if you're in landscaping or window
00:55:22.640
washing or, uh, you know, paint exterior painting services or things like that, they're so good
00:55:27.520
at their skillset, but they don't understand like how to grow on social media and like do use
00:55:32.060
marketing to their advantage on Facebook and stuff.
00:55:34.620
To get customers. So he helps train them on how to do that. Uh, so that's his, his thing. And then
00:55:39.420
he also owns one of the biggest Christmas light companies, uh, residential and commercial Christmas
00:55:44.740
lights in the Valley, which is what we call Phoenix area. So he has his own blue collar business
00:55:49.560
scaled that and grew that. And then he teaches people how to do what he did.
00:55:52.880
I love it. I love it. Match made in heaven. This is amazing. I'm so excited for everything going on
00:55:57.820
for you professionally and personally. I've got to get you out of here or else I'm going to get in
00:56:01.840
trouble. Cause you've got another show to go on Alex. Thank you so much. Thank you very much.