Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1152 ｜ The Reason Christianity's Decline Is Slowing Down

00:00:00.960 Headlines circulated last week that claimed that a young woman in Texas committed suicide because of Trump's deportations and the bullying that she had endured because of his immigration policy.

00:00:16.600 But it turns out there was much more to this tragic story.

00:00:21.400 And really good news, Christianity seems to be on the rise. 0.90

00:00:25.560 I will talk about what is behind that, what we have to be careful about, and what we should also be unabashedly celebrating.

00:00:33.500 We've got all that and much more on today's episode of Relatable.

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00:00:52.620 Hey, guys.

00:00:53.420 Welcome to Relatable.

00:00:54.280 Happy Thursday.

00:00:55.140 Hope everyone has had a wonderful week.

00:00:59.180 All right.

00:00:59.700 There's so much that I want to get to today.

00:01:02.100 These are stories that we have been hoping to talk about for the past couple weeks, but so many things have come up that we just haven't been able to get to them.

00:01:09.480 And finally, we are.

00:01:11.860 First, I want to talk about this amazing trend that we are seeing that has been chronicled by Pew Research, a pretty trustworthy research center.

00:01:19.680 Certainly not right-wing, supposed-to-be nonpartisan, middle-of-the-road objective.

00:01:24.440 I would even say in some of the language that they use that they're actually on the left side of things.

00:01:32.040 Probably their principles and the guidelines that they follow follow kind of left-wing language when it comes to gender, when it comes to race.

00:01:41.280 And so when you see something like this that has anything positive to say about Christianity or conservatism, I would say it's pretty trustworthy, especially when you look at their methodology.

00:01:53.640 No matter what language they use, that's really what matters.

00:01:56.240 So this seems to be accurate.

00:01:58.700 And that trend is that the decline of Christianity in the United States has slowed or leveled off.

00:02:06.960 So for decades, we have been seeing that Christian affiliation in the United States is going down.

00:02:14.180 A new study from Pew Research, however, has found that the number of people identifying as Christians is ticking up just slightly.

00:02:23.280 The same is also true for the share of Americans who attend religious services monthly.

00:02:27.960 That's all kinds of religious services.

00:02:30.160 While the percentage has decreased over the last 18 years, the rate of monthly service attendance has remained about the same since 2020.

00:02:39.140 And so we'll pull up this graph right here.

00:02:41.840 You can see back in 2007, really not that long ago, 78% of United States adults identified as Christians, 78%.

00:02:52.640 It drops off by 2014, seven years later, 71%.

00:02:58.540 That's pretty significant, one percentage point a year.

00:03:01.960 And then it goes down quite a lot.

00:03:04.280 By 2019, there's a pretty significant dip just five years later.

00:03:10.060 And then 2020, it goes up just a little bit.

00:03:12.960 Then, man, it really goes down in about 2022 and then back up slightly to 63%.

00:03:20.760 And that is really the first time we have seen a steady rise, even if it's small, a steady rise for years in a row of affiliation with Christianity.

00:03:33.080 So from about 2021, it looks like, to 2024, we have seen this slight uptick.

00:03:40.880 Now, it is still significantly down, 15% down from where we were in 2007, which is troubling for a variety of reasons.

00:03:51.120 But the fact that it's trending up when there is such an assault on the Christian faith, such an assault on truth, when progressivism, secularism is ubiquitous, it's almost seen as a given, especially in academia. 0.86

00:04:05.540 It's seen as the smarter, more sophisticated option.

00:04:10.260 This really is stunning.

00:04:11.740 Against all odds, against the media onslaught, against the prince of the power of the air, as Ephesians 2 describes Satan, there is an uptick in Christian affiliation.

00:04:23.480 Now, the religiously unaffiliated, this group, religious nuns, they're typically called N-O-N-E-S, has increased also since 2007 from 16% identifying as this to about, it looks like, 30% in 2021. 0.98

00:04:43.160 Again, doubled in this pretty short amount of time, but then it went down in about 2022, went up just a little bit in 2023, and it went down again to 28% in 2024.

00:04:58.160 So again, bigger than it was in 2007, things have shifted so much, and yet it does seem to be decreasing, this unaffiliation and leveling off.

00:05:10.560 Really, if you look at any graph from Pew Research, I used to, back in 2017, 18, when this study was new, I would point to this partisanship polling that Pew Research had published around this time that showed the shift in perspectives on a variety of issues between the left and the right, Republicans and Democrats.

00:05:34.280 And what you saw is that Democrats have shifted to the left.

00:05:38.480 And I know this study that we're talking about is not really about Republicans and Democrats, and what I'm saying really isn't either.

00:05:44.720 It's simply talking about the shift in perspective and our move to the secular left over the past 20 or so years.

00:05:51.380 When it came to immigration, when it came to gender, when it came to a social economic policy, the left, the Democratic Party, significantly shifted to the left during the Obama years.

00:06:05.720 On everything from marriage to immigration, all of that, guns shifted to the left, whereas Republicans really stayed steady.

00:06:14.820 There was barely any movement on any of the significant issues.

00:06:18.660 On some things, they actually shifted to the left just a little bit, like on immigration, for example, Republicans kind of shifted to what would probably be called more like of a center position in some ways.

00:06:31.900 Now, I don't know if there's an update on this. I would say that the right has probably shifted back over to the right a bit in the past few years.

00:06:41.000 And the Democrats have probably stayed over to the left.

00:06:44.840 But you heard so much when Trump was in office the first time that it was it was Republicans.

00:06:50.000 They were the ones who became extreme. They were the ones who adopted these fascist far right policies.

00:06:54.360 It's not. It's really that Republicans remained the same.

00:06:57.420 And as Democrats moved to the left, normal, common sense, conservative and even center right policies became extreme to them because they had changed.

00:07:06.960 And really, that marked, I think, signified a significant cultural change from Barack Obama's first term to the end of his second term.

00:07:18.140 Everything changed in the culture morally. The sexual revolution quickened.

00:07:24.440 We went from President Obama saying in 2008 that he believes in one man and one woman in marriage for life, like he believed in the biblical definition of marriage.

00:07:33.700 He said that in 2008 on the campaign trail to Saddleback Church in California.

00:07:38.840 I mean, California in 2008 passed Prop 8, which protected the sanctity of marriages between one man and one woman.

00:07:46.080 And California in California in 2008 and obviously now that is the hotbed of the gender insanity where you can literally lose custody of your children because they say that they are identifying as the opposite sex. 1.00

00:07:59.560 Things have changed and moved so quickly in the past 15 or so years.

00:08:06.840 And certainly the loss of Christian affiliation plays into that.

00:08:12.020 But what I think has happened is that things moved so quickly, the sexual revolution, the moral revolution, the degeneracy has moved so quickly over the past 15 years that the younger generations especially have started to see the consequence of that, have started to see how this chaos and confusion, this godlessness, this purposelessness in their friends' lives actually leads to a lot of misery.

00:08:38.880 I mean, they, Gen Z, the most over-medicated, over-therapied generation in existence. 1.00

00:08:46.560 They've really seen the destitution that this aimless, morally relativistic god of self ideology brings people to.

00:08:55.600 And I wonder if this swing is in response to that.

00:08:58.840 Now, obviously in a spiritual sense, like this is the Holy Spirit.

00:09:01.940 Now, we can't see the hearts of the people who answered this poll and whether they are truly on fire for Jesus or if they're just identifying as Christian.

00:09:09.620 But the reason why I am comforted by this, even if we don't know all the details of the spiritual lives of the people answering this poll, is that in 2007, it was simply more popular to be a Christian.

00:09:21.420 Like, cultural Christianity still existed.

00:09:24.920 And I'm not knocking cultural Christianity.

00:09:27.440 It's not salvific to just call yourself a Christian, but there are benefits to it.

00:09:31.600 There are benefits to when, as a culture, we share basic Christian values.

00:09:35.360 There are benefits to the law.

00:09:36.480 There are benefits to the most vulnerable in the social contract that we have, in the interactions that we have.

00:09:41.400 It's better to have cultural Christianity than no Christianity at all. 0.91

00:09:44.900 And so that could explain why almost 80% of people identified as Christian back in 2007.

00:09:49.880 Again, benefit to that, but you do wonder how much of that is genuine.

00:09:54.640 How many of those people are actually going to heaven because they truly believe that Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life, that no one comes to the Father except through him.

00:10:02.120 Now, it is not convenient to be a Christian.

00:10:04.880 No one has to identify as a Christian to get a job, to be popular, to be accepted by society.

00:10:10.680 In fact, it's the opposite.

00:10:11.720 You might end up like Jack Phillips or Lori Smith, losing your business or your business being threatened, your livelihood being threatened,

00:10:19.440 simply because you stand up for the basic tenets of Christianity seen in the first chapter of the first book of the Bible that God made us male and female.

00:10:27.020 Definition of gender in marriage answered right there.

00:10:29.920 It's not popular.

00:10:30.900 It actually comes at a cost, at the very least a reputational cost, if not a very real cost to your safety.

00:10:36.340 I mean, we saw that pizzeria in Chattanooga, Cortile, I think is how you pronounce it, that they wouldn't cater a gay wedding.

00:10:45.100 It's not that they won't serve gay people.

00:10:46.720 They just said, look, we're not going to be a part of this, of a celebration of a union that God calls abominable.

00:10:51.700 Those are my words, not their words.

00:10:53.300 They very politely declined.

00:10:54.740 And they were threatened and they were lambasted and they had people protesting outside of their restaurant, trying to literally cancel their restaurant, trying to take away their livelihood.

00:11:06.920 This is a family owned company, small children, their safety, their lives threatened by people who were very angry that they were simply being Christian and dared to be Christian in the public square.

00:11:18.280 So it's not convenient.

00:11:20.000 So the fact that there are more people now than there were a few years ago willing to say against the tide, yeah, I'm a Christian, means to me probably that there is a level of sincerity here because of the sacrifice required that maybe we didn't see all the way back in 2007, 15 years ago.

00:11:41.560 So I don't know.

00:11:42.880 I am actually, I'm really optimistic about this.

00:11:47.860 Listen, look, at the end of the day, like God is going to do what he does and God is totally sovereign and he is going to find his sheep.

00:11:57.200 He will leave the 99 every time in search of the one and he knows who the one is.

00:12:03.280 God is not sitting there waiting and wondering who is going to get saved because he's outside of time and space.

00:12:09.980 He's all powerful.

00:12:11.020 He's all knowing.

00:12:11.840 He knows who his people are and there is nothing, no cultural movement, no social, sexual, moral revolution that can stop him.

00:12:23.200 The gates of hell will not prevail against the church.

00:12:27.900 God will gather his flock.

00:12:29.880 And so I'm never worried.

00:12:31.160 I don't let my happiness or my hope, my optimism rise and fall on Pew Research or any polling, but I love to see God's eternal plan of redemption bear out in statistics.

00:12:42.620 And I love to see statistics and science catching up to God and what Christians have always known.

00:12:50.460 And so I wish it hadn't taken the full effect of the grossness of the sexual revolution, the promiscuity, the devaluation of marriage, the rampant divorce, the gender deception and mutilation.

00:13:05.920 I wish it hadn't taken the elevation of all of those things to get people, especially young people to say, yeah, I don't know what's right, but it's not that.

00:13:15.500 And, oh, maybe Jesus was onto something like maybe this good book, maybe the maybe the guy by whom we still tell time is significant.

00:13:25.660 Like, I wish it hadn't taken the worst to get to the best.

00:13:29.200 But again, God uses all things to work all things together for the good of those who love him and are called according to his purpose.

00:13:35.780 Romans 8, 28.

00:13:37.640 So I'm just very, I'm happy about this.

00:13:41.880 I'm happy to see this.

00:13:42.820 And I love to see what's going on on college campuses.

00:13:45.480 I love to hear stories of you guys.

00:13:47.360 I think 2020 was a really big turning point for a lot of Christians who just, again, just saw the chaos of the world and said, I need a respite from that. 0.82

00:13:57.500 I want to be led by the shepherd who promises to lead us by still waters, even as we walk through the valley of the shadow of death, that he will be with us.

00:14:06.480 And some people have to get to our lowest.

00:14:09.860 Maybe the country as a whole had to get to a very low point to see the goodness and the truth of God.

00:14:16.360 There's been a lot of testimonies that have echoed that.

00:14:19.120 Like, we see Nicole Shanahan.

00:14:21.080 We see, we've seen Russell Brand.

00:14:26.060 We've seen several others.

00:14:27.560 It seems like, even if we don't agree on everything they say or where they are at different points in their doctrine, that they've tasted and seen that the Lord is good.

00:14:36.560 They've tasted the world.

00:14:37.640 It's not good.

00:14:38.320 They've tasted and seen that the Lord is good.

00:14:39.980 So let us pray for this.

00:14:41.300 Let us pray for this continued growth.

00:14:45.540 When we break it down, we do see that Christians, that the affiliation with certain sects of Christianity, subgroups of Christianity have gone down.

00:15:00.980 So, for example, all Christians, 78%, again, to 62%.

00:15:06.060 Protestant went from 51% affiliation to 40% affiliation.

00:15:13.560 Catholic, 24% to 19%.

00:15:17.800 And so, really, the subsets of Christianity there are all kind of—and those are the two main ones.

00:15:24.140 I mean, if you look at, like, any other people outside of those two, maybe, like, Orthodox, it's very small.

00:15:31.680 So these are the two main ones.

00:15:33.120 And so, I mean, we're seeing the same kind of decline, but also the same kind of trend of stability and even increase.

00:15:41.400 What I also thought was interesting is that for other religions, the share of Americans who identify with a religion other than Christianity has been trending upward, though still in the single digits.

00:15:51.560 So it was 4.7 in 2007, and it's now up to 7.1%.

00:15:59.260 This includes Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Hindu.

00:16:02.080 I guarantee you that uptick of about 3% is almost all Islam because of mass immigration that has occurred, especially from the Middle East over the past few years.

00:16:12.520 I mean, a lot of people feel that.

00:16:14.540 A lot of communities feel that, that, oh, I have these Islamic centers that are now, like, across the street from this church or that are close to our neighborhood that I did not have before.

00:16:26.300 And also, like, the HB1 program, you've got a lot of people from India who practice Islam who are coming over here with the boom in tech and corporate America trying to get that cheaper labor over here. 0.61

00:16:37.220 That will shift the demographics, which shifts the culture and the values of your country, and I just want to say it's okay for you to care about that.

00:16:45.020 It is much better for a country to have shared values, a shared belief in where truth comes from, what right and wrong is, basic definitions of reality and morality.

00:16:54.880 It is okay for you to want that.

00:16:57.420 This pie-in-the-sky idea of diversity being our strength and us living in this, like, beautiful mosaic of pluralism, yes, of course, that can work to a degree, but only if you agree on some basic fundamentals.

00:17:12.980 Like, we were all created by a God who gave us inalienable rights, among them being life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

00:17:19.520 I mean, basic Western democratic principles, and if you don't believe that, which are founded upon the Bible and biblical principles, then we're going to have a hard time.

00:17:27.940 We're going to have a hard time having a cohesive country and a cohesive community.

00:17:32.600 So anyway, it's a good thing.

00:17:34.600 It's a good thing for everyone, no matter what your belief system is, that Christianity is on the rise because Christianity has been the greatest force for good in all of history.

00:17:46.060 I mean, Christians changed the world, forged Western civilization, conceptualized human rights. 1.00

00:17:52.100 The Imago Dei has been the most positive force, I think, civilizational force for all of time.

00:17:59.040 And so we praise God for that, and we hope for its continuance, and we do our part in that.

00:18:05.520 God has ordained us to use prayer and evangelism to accomplish His will.

00:18:08.460 He doesn't need it.

00:18:09.140 He chose it, and we get to play a part in that.

00:18:11.060 So praise God.

00:18:12.000 All right.

00:18:12.340 I've been wanting to get to that story for so long, and so many of you have sent it to me,

00:18:16.280 so I just wanted to let you know that it's on my radar, give you my thoughts about it, and just praise God for it.

00:18:21.600 All right.

00:18:22.000 We've got some more things to talk about.

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00:20:10.960 Okay, let's move on to this story.

00:20:13.880 It's a horrifying story, but it's got a lot of lessons in there for us when it comes to ensuring that we are not allowing the media to whip us up, to determine our reactions to anything.

00:20:25.640 So this is about a young woman.

00:20:27.920 You probably heard about her a couple weeks ago.

00:20:30.480 I shouldn't say young woman.

00:20:31.940 A little girl.

00:20:32.640 She's 11 years old.

00:20:33.960 And she committed suicide.

00:20:36.640 And we were told this—the reason why this became national news, because unfortunately, we have young people that commit suicide consistently.

00:20:45.100 The reason that this went viral is because her parents said that she committed suicide because she was bullied over her immigration status.

00:20:54.000 And, of course, this was blamed on Donald Trump and Republicans.

00:20:56.440 Because Donald Trump is deporting these criminal aliens, many of which are actually violent criminals, literally child rapists and murderers, that because he's doing that, there are Hispanic children in the United States that are being bullied to the point of suicide.

00:21:13.580 Perfect example, very sad example of toxic empathy.

00:21:18.900 So hoisting up a purported victim, creating a story around that to get you to ignore everyone on the other side of the moral equation.

00:21:27.400 And so when we have two sides of the moral equation that are equally sad, because Lake and Riley's life counts just as much as this young girl's, when you've got two stories that are competing for your empathy, that's when your discernment has to kick in and you ask the important question in all issues, but what is true?

00:21:46.400 What is factually true?

00:21:47.980 What is biblically true?

00:21:49.260 What is morally true?

00:21:50.380 Historically, scientifically, all of those things.

00:21:52.640 But what is true?

00:21:54.040 And whenever a story, this is a good rule of thumb, whenever a story sounds too good or too bad to be true, according to your own perspective, this sounded too good to be true for Democrats, too bad to be true for Republicans in this case, you ask yourself, what am I missing here?

00:22:13.860 What's really going on?

00:22:15.200 What are the details here?

00:22:16.400 And how do we know?

00:22:18.080 That's always really important.

00:22:19.640 When you hear things like, oh, transgender kids are killing themselves because they can't, you know, get on cross-sex hormones or something like that, the question is, how do you know?

00:22:29.480 How do you know that?

00:22:30.960 I mean, is there a note that is left for, like, by these children that are doing this act?

00:22:37.220 Do the stats actually bear that out?

00:22:38.760 When the Trevor Project says that you have to affirm kids who say that they are the opposite sex or else you're going to have a dead daughter, a living son, that kind of thing, there are no stats that actually bear that out because we don't actually know always the reason why people kill themselves.

00:22:52.740 And that was my first question that I had when I saw this horrifying headline, these stories going around that this young girl killed herself because she was bullied.

00:23:01.820 How do we know that?

00:23:03.040 How do we know that that's the case?

00:23:04.940 And so I waited.

00:23:05.900 I didn't say anything.

00:23:06.660 I got some messages from you guys saying, can you respond to this?

00:23:09.980 And, you know, I'm sure your Democrat friends are sending it to you saying, don't you think this is too far?

00:23:14.740 I know you said you're for deportations and enforcing the border, but don't you think that this is too far?

00:23:19.680 And it's so tempting because we are compassionate people, because as Christians, we want to be loving to say, OK, yeah, you're right.

00:23:25.780 It's too far.

00:23:26.720 We shouldn't do that without even getting into specifics.

00:23:29.220 Like, what exactly?

00:23:30.500 What policy is too far?

00:23:32.240 What's going on here?

00:23:33.080 So I waited.

00:23:34.300 I didn't say anything.

00:23:35.240 And obviously, I'm very glad about that because it seems like we have more details.

00:23:40.380 So this is according to the New York Post.

00:23:41.920 The family of an 11 year old girl in Texas who committed suicide claimed the girl was being bullied over her immigration status, while other children came forward to say the girl had also confided in them that she had been inappropriately touched.

00:23:53.640 So sexually molested by a family member.

00:23:57.420 So Jocelyn Rojo Carranza was found unresponsive.

00:24:00.960 This is so sad.

00:24:02.420 So sad.

00:24:04.140 Unresponsive in her family's Gainesville home on February 3rd.

00:24:06.860 Died in the hospital after five days in the ICU.

00:24:09.660 The girl's mother claimed her daughter was being bullied by students over the family's immigration status.

00:24:15.420 And the school district investigated confirmed that a student was making comments about ICE and deportation, and the girl was close to that.

00:24:25.660 It said the girl was in earshot.

00:24:27.260 Didn't say that the girl, that this was directed at the girl.

00:24:29.760 The girl was in earshot.

00:24:30.840 We also don't know what comments the student was making.

00:24:34.020 If it was actually bullying, these things can really spiral out of control and snowball.

00:24:38.160 We don't know what the kid was saying.

00:24:39.480 He could have just said, I saw this on the news, or my parents were talking about this.

00:24:43.380 He might not have been mocking anyone.

00:24:44.960 We have no idea.

00:24:46.420 But somehow this snowballed into this idea, I guess via her mother and her family, that she was being directly bullied for this.

00:24:54.460 After Carranza's hospitalization, students came forward to school officials, said that the girl had been victims of bullying.

00:25:02.040 But then multiple students told administrators that Jocelyn had been sexually abused and that she had been telling them to keep that a secret.

00:25:10.940 The district also found that the girl had previously expressed thoughts of self-harm to her cousin.

00:25:15.480 So before Donald Trump was in office, before any of this happened, she had been talking about hurting herself.

00:25:21.380 Then this person, allegedly, whom she confided in, told the girl's mother.

00:25:26.860 But the mother claimed that was not true.

00:25:29.500 So let me just show you, and we'll put up some of these headlines, how the media and the left framed it.

00:25:36.200 So CNN, an 11-year-old girl in Texas died by suicide after she was bullied about her family's immigration status.

00:25:43.760 Her mother says, even after, even after, I just want to note this, the investigation showed sexual, the sexual abuse allegation.

00:25:51.140 CNN headline doesn't mention it.

00:25:52.600 School District confirms bullying occurred after investigation following Texas girl's death by suicide.

00:25:57.520 And again, at least from what I see, that's not actually what was confirmed.

00:26:03.960 It wasn't even confirmed that the bullying happened.

00:26:08.500 Joaquin Castro, he is a politician from Texas, a Democrat.

00:26:13.820 I think he ran for president also.

00:26:15.780 Maybe in 2020, ran in the primary.

00:26:18.120 He was talking to Jim Acosta, R.A.P. Jim Acosta.

00:26:21.500 He no longer has a show on CNN.

00:26:23.320 So Joaquin Castro said this, 11-year-old Jocelyn Rojo Carranza endured months of bullying about her family's immigration status at her Dallas area school before she took her own life.

00:26:33.680 As I said to Jim Acosta, Trump has created a culture of cruelty and meanness that is infecting American society and our kids.

00:26:41.240 My staff and I are reaching out to San Antonio schools to ask them how they're protecting students against bullying in this hostile environment.

00:26:47.280 I guess he represents San Antonio.

00:26:51.360 OK, so here's what we made the jump here.

00:26:54.000 First of all, we have facts that are apparently not true.

00:26:56.880 At the very least, they're unsubstantiated, uncorroborated.

00:26:59.480 And you are using this girl's body, which isn't even fully cold yet, this tragedy to point fingers at Trump.

00:27:08.780 I mean, this is the cruelest and worst thing that you can possibly do.

00:27:11.660 These are the same Democrats that locked kids inside, kept them out of school for months, said it was for their own good.

00:27:18.480 You know what we saw during that time period?

00:27:21.180 Child abuse go up, child neglect go up, suicide, depression and anxiety among these same kids go up.

00:27:28.400 This post went viral.

00:27:29.780 10.1 million views on this post.

00:27:32.640 340,000 likes.

00:27:34.500 This person says a sixth grader in Texas took her life because she was getting bullied by kids, telling her that they're going to call ice on her parents and that she would end up alone.

00:27:46.540 Y'all are raising hateful children.

00:27:50.500 So none of these people, by the way, Joaquin Castro is not going to correct himself.

00:27:54.420 I hope that I'm wrong.

00:27:55.540 If I am wrong that he will not correct himself, I will happily correct the record on that next week.

00:28:01.780 But they don't care.

00:28:03.120 They want to put it out there.

00:28:04.220 We see this over and over again with every single instance that they can use for their own purposes.

00:28:10.400 They actually are glad and giddy when something like this happens.

00:28:15.040 I truly think in a way now, maybe you think that's too harsh, but truly they love leveraging dead people and tragic situations to point fingers at Trump and Republicans and try to whip people up to inflict violence against the Republicans.

00:28:32.280 But again, the reality is that simply wasn't true.

00:28:36.460 Here is a short clip of a local news report interviewing Jocelyn's mom.

00:28:43.020 It's been two days since I've spoken to an investigator.

00:28:46.760 They told me they haven't found anything yet.

00:28:49.780 They had an authority open Jocelyn's phone, but they have not had any access to it.

00:28:54.620 They're telling me to hold on and that the Gainesville ISD police had just closed the case after taking charge of it.

00:29:00.500 Now, I believe that Jocelyn's mom is truly hurt about this and she might not know everything that is going on.

00:29:09.220 And again, it is also possible that bullying played a part in this.

00:29:14.280 But let me read you what was reported by People magazine.

00:29:17.000 On February 4th, the school district said they were informed by a member of Jocelyn's family that the girl had been hospitalized due to an accident.

00:29:24.580 The next day, students began reporting that Jocelyn and her brother had been bullied.

00:29:28.120 That prompted the internal investigation by the school on February 6th.

00:29:32.740 During those interviews, that's when, quote unquote, according to the school, additional concerns surfaced, according to the school district,

00:29:39.300 which reported that multiple students claimed Jocelyn had been inappropriately touched and wished to keep this a secret to avoid getting them in trouble.

00:29:48.320 Given the presence of four other school-age children in the home, GISD, Gainesville ISD, was legally required to report this to CPS.

00:29:56.080 The CPS investigation is ongoing.

00:29:59.380 And so we don't know what happened, but we do know that CPS is actually investigating what was going on here.

00:30:04.640 Furthermore, the district said it was disclosed that Jocelyn had previously expressed thoughts of self-harm to the cousin who informed JRC's mother, as we already noted.

00:30:14.120 And then when the mother was informed that, hey, there are also allegations of molestation, according to NBC, the mother said,

00:30:21.560 Well, I talk with my daughter about that always.

00:30:23.520 I ask.

00:30:24.400 Nobody can touch your body.

00:30:25.780 Nobody.

00:30:26.340 I really hope that's true.

00:30:27.880 And I hope that it's true that the mother did not know that this was potentially going on.

00:30:33.200 So the school district also released a statement that said that Jocelyn had a one-on-one meeting with a school counselor on October 16th.

00:30:42.740 So again, this is before Trump was president, where she, quote, shared concerns about getting in trouble at home and mentioned that her siblings called her names.

00:30:51.080 According to the district at this time, she did not report any bullying.

00:30:55.640 The district also claimed that she participated in a social-emotional learning group led by a counselor.

00:31:00.580 That's not always healthy, by the way.

00:31:03.400 While her mother initially stated that she was unaware of her daughter's participation, the district has signed a permission slip authorizing her involvement.

00:31:13.340 So Jocelyn attended a number of these sessions.

00:31:16.800 The school district said that they concluded their internal bullying investigation on February 12th.

00:31:23.700 The following day, Jocelyn's mother was notifying that bullying by another student was confirmed.

00:31:28.880 This is according to the school district.

00:31:31.820 The student was disciplined in accordance with the student code of conduct.

00:31:37.220 Again, we don't know how direct that was.

00:31:39.060 We don't know what was actually said.

00:31:40.520 We don't know the impact that was had.

00:31:42.840 And we don't know if what Jocelyn said about her experiences are true, but it's hard to believe that she would go around telling her friends that she had been molested if that weren't true.

00:31:55.680 And obviously, the school, as they took seriously, apparently, had an obligation to report that to CPS.

00:32:01.900 And so all this to say investigations are ongoing.

00:32:05.060 There are a lot of questions.

00:32:06.840 The truth is this poor young girl killed herself.

00:32:08.960 There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Trump had anything to do with it, that Republicans had anything to do with it, that deportations had anything to do with it.

00:32:17.980 And like, what is actually the position here?

00:32:20.240 Is the position here because this girl tragically took her life that we shouldn't deport people?

00:32:26.100 Like, is your position that we shouldn't have borders, that we shouldn't have immigration policy, that we shouldn't kick people out who have murdered, who have raped, who have stolen?

00:32:34.080 Like, try to tell me what's going on here, because it really just looks like emotional manipulation and propaganda at the expense of the peace of her family and justice for this little girl. 0.85

00:32:44.960 And so let us be very careful on both sides of the aisle when we hear anything that so squarely confirms our priors.

00:32:53.360 Again, that sounds too good or sounds too bad to be true.

00:32:56.840 Let us dig in and ask the question, what is actually true?

00:33:01.000 And if there is doubt that comes up about the veracity of a claim, we should dig deeper into those doubts and ask really good questions because lives are on the line.

00:33:11.460 And by the way, this family has raised like tens of thousands of dollars at this point.

00:33:16.820 And I think before donating, like you got to ask some questions about like, what is the truth that really went on here?

00:33:23.600 Because if the family victimized this poor girl, then I don't think that we should be donating our dollars to them.

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00:34:30.380 Okay, didn't get to react to this on Tuesday.

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00:34:38.880 This is a video that was going around on X.

00:34:42.560 An actress named K.J. Smith, best known for starring in Tyler Perry movies, she suggested on the red carpet of the NAACP Image Awards on Saturday.

00:34:52.140 So this is the day before the Oscars.

00:34:54.200 It's a pre-Oscar ceremony.

00:34:56.380 She said that due to the political climate, black people should leave.

00:35:01.340 Sot 9.

00:35:01.700 Something that you wish was talked about more within our community.

00:35:05.700 Understanding our roots.

00:35:07.220 I think it's really important.

00:35:08.380 I think we're not trapped here.

00:35:10.460 With the political climate that's going on in the United States of America, we are not trapped here.

00:35:15.400 There are places that we can go.

00:35:17.800 There are countries that are receiving us back, citizenship back.

00:35:22.880 And I think with open arms, and I think that it's time for the black community as a whole to start looking into those resources.

00:35:31.360 Okay, what are we talking about here?

00:35:34.040 Are you talking about Canada?

00:35:35.860 Like you're talking about Greenland?

00:35:36.980 Or are we talking about Ghana?

00:35:38.700 Are we talking about Nigeria?

00:35:40.420 I just, I don't know.

00:35:42.000 I don't know that she said, oh, actually, no, she actually did respond to this specifically to Fox News Digital.

00:35:47.100 She said, I believe that more Americans are recognizing that conditions in the United States are not improving for us.

00:35:53.940 In fact, they seem to be deteriorated.

00:35:55.460 That's simply not true.

00:35:56.700 The statistics don't bear that out.

00:35:59.140 It's not true.

00:36:00.140 You've imbibed the 1619 lie that there is this unbroken thread of racism, white supremacy, and slavery that has taken on different forms since 1619.

00:36:09.500 And that you're under the thumb of white oppression.

00:36:11.800 It's literally a lie.

00:36:13.280 You are wearing a much more expensive dress, I'm sure, than I have ever purchased.

00:36:18.760 You have a lot of good things.

00:36:20.800 I won't even call them privileges.

00:36:22.300 Probably things that you've earned that you've worked very hard for.

00:36:25.560 But you have worked hard to earn more things than the vast majority of Americans, white, black, or brown, have ever been able to earn.

00:36:33.580 How can you stand there as a movie star, on the red carpet, as a black woman, and actually say that you and other black Americans are oppressed?

00:36:43.280 So you were able to do that, but other black Americans can't. 1.00

00:36:47.140 Because why?

00:36:48.560 Like, people laugh and say, oh, you can't point to Obama.

00:36:51.440 You can't point to Oprah.

00:36:52.800 You can't point to Kanye.

00:36:54.180 You can't point to Beyonce.

00:36:56.860 You can't point to Letitia James or Ketanji Brown Jackson or Thomas Sowell or Clarence Thomas.

00:37:04.720 You can't point to any of those people to try to prove your point that black Americans have upward mobility in the United States for some reason.

00:37:12.540 Like, all of those people are just outside of the reality for black America, which is that they are under the iron fist of white supremacist oppression when it's just not true.

00:37:24.300 Again, like, read Thomas Sowell, read Discrimination and Disparities, read Quest for Cosmic Justice, and you will see that just looking at the numbers, looking at the stats, in several ways black Americans were actually doing better.

00:37:41.420 When you look at fatherlessness rates, when you look at employment rates, when you look at crime rates, when you look at marriage and divorce rates in the 50s and the 60s, when racism was actually more institutionalized and pervasive than they are doing today.

00:37:58.600 Really, what we see is a steep decline across all of these categories in black Americans and white Americans, too, but especially among black Americans in the 60s and 70s, after the passage of the Civil Rights Act, after the growth of the welfare state.

00:38:15.660 And so, really, you can't blame this unbroken threat of slavery when really things have gotten worse since Democrats have implemented policies that are said to help black and brown minority communities.

00:38:32.040 And plus, again, I just don't think that what she is saying is actually true, that this political environment is uniquely bad for black Americans.

00:38:43.900 I mean, Trump got a pretty good share of the black American vote.

00:38:47.400 Obviously, Democrats are always going to run away with the black vote. 1.00

00:38:50.580 Maybe not always, but they do right now.

00:38:53.300 But Trump got an increased share of black men.

00:38:57.520 I think they're doing fine.

00:39:00.160 But again, when you imbibe this propaganda, this victim mentality, even as you are standing in a very expensive dress on the red carpet, like you're just unable to see things clearly.

00:39:12.860 But she is literally saying that black Americans should go back to Ghana, for instance, that they offer a right of abode policy, allowing people of African descent to live and work indefinitely in the country.

00:39:29.440 There's another country that has introduced a law granting citizenship to descendants of enslaved Africans who can prove their ancestry.

00:39:36.960 Yeah, well, that's the issue, is that a lot of black Americans today are not ancestors of slaves.

00:39:42.960 Their parents came here after.

00:39:44.500 They're Jamaican.

00:39:45.400 They're not actually from the lineage of African slaves.

00:39:50.140 They actually might have ancestors who were enslavers.

00:39:54.600 And so that's an inconvenient reality.

00:39:56.640 When we talk about reparations and any of these things, who's oppressed, who's the oppressor, it actually all is very complicated.

00:40:02.960 And you end up seeing that every single person, no matter their melanin count, no matter their background, has been a part of the, or their ancestry has been a part of the oppressor and the oppressed, the conquered and the conqueror.

00:40:18.600 That's just the reality of human history.

00:40:22.140 And so when you try to make it literally black and white, as critical race theory tries to do, you paint a binary that's just not real.

00:40:31.160 It's just not true.

00:40:32.100 It doesn't have a grounding in reality.

00:40:34.040 And you can't have justice without truth.

00:40:37.200 Kamala Harris, she also was there.

00:40:40.820 She accepted the chairman's award, delivered her first major speech since her election loss last November.

00:40:45.460 I had no idea about this.

00:40:46.940 She said that she was inspired by the work of the NAACP.

00:40:50.560 She's asking the question, what do we do now?

00:40:53.740 And she said, we do what we have always done to which we always will do and have done.

00:41:00.800 She didn't actually say that, but I bet you thought that I was telling the truth because it sounded just like her.

00:41:06.140 She basically said that.

00:41:07.360 She said, we know exactly what to do.

00:41:09.800 Like those who forge the NAACP and those who carry this legacy forward, we use our power.

00:41:15.000 What does that mean?

00:41:15.860 I don't know.

00:41:16.780 We organize, mobilize, educate, and advocate.

00:41:18.940 I think that means raising your cane at the president when he is giving a speech to Congress.

00:41:25.300 I think that means holding up little signs that say, Elon lied.

00:41:30.140 You use that power.

00:41:31.920 You use that power.

00:41:33.580 Either you have power and you have leverage and you have all of these things and you're going to stay here and you're going to help make America better.

00:41:40.280 I won't say great again, but make America better or you're going to flee to Ghana. 1.00

00:41:44.400 I think another question in all of this is like what non-white majority country is a better place economically, is a better place opportunity wise for black people?

00:41:57.000 I mean, I would want to know, is it Ghana?

00:42:01.160 Is it Zambia?

00:42:02.140 Are these places actually freer and economically more advantaged, offer better opportunities and more freedom and more rights and more justice for black people than, say, the United States?

00:42:15.740 If so, okay, if I were a black person, I would probably want to leave there too or leave here and go there too. 0.98

00:42:22.000 I'm just not sure that is the awakening they will have if they arrive there.

00:42:28.320 And it's really sad.

00:42:29.020 I don't think that she even represents the majority of how black people feel, whether they voted for Donald Trump or whether they voted for Kamala Harris.

00:42:38.240 It's just a lot of virtue signaling.

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00:44:14.340 Not my experience, because I literally mostly – yeah, I have pretty much only conservative friends.

00:44:20.500 Now, I have some friends that we just don't talk politics, but they're not full-on lips.

00:44:24.580 Like, we agree on the basics of everything.

00:44:26.940 So I wouldn't have a conversation like this.

00:44:29.760 However, I could see this happening, and I've talked to people who live in California and elsewhere who have had this kind of conversation.

00:44:35.760 And you tell me if you think it's realistic.

00:44:37.840 Here's thought 10.

00:44:39.280 I didn't know you went to church.

00:44:41.300 Oh, yeah.

00:44:42.600 We go every Sunday.

00:44:44.340 Yeah, ever since we moved to Austin.

00:44:47.540 Is it like a real Texan church, like with Bible thumpers? 1.00

00:44:52.060 Well, the people are, you know, more conservative than, like, L.A. people or, like, New York.

00:45:01.120 Is that weird for you?

00:45:02.280 Why would it be weird?

00:45:06.680 I don't know.

00:45:08.080 If I was just around a bunch of Texans who voted for Trump, I guess I'd just feel a little alienated.

00:45:15.380 They're nice people.

00:45:17.440 Really good families.

00:45:20.380 Cool.

00:45:20.700 But do you ever talk politics like that?

00:45:22.920 Sometimes.

00:45:23.960 I'm going to get awkward?

00:45:26.840 Why wouldn't?

00:45:28.020 Because.

00:45:31.080 Wait.

00:45:32.580 Are you a Republican?

00:45:35.060 No.

00:45:35.540 I'm an independent.

00:45:38.620 I'm an independent.

00:45:39.560 But Dave is.

00:45:43.260 An independent.

00:45:46.580 Since when?

00:45:48.100 You didn't vote for Trump, though, did you?

00:45:50.600 Are we really going to talk about Trump tonight?

00:45:57.660 Just shocking.

00:46:02.360 You know what?

00:46:03.120 If she were my friend, I would say good for you for standing firm, girl, because some people would have lied in that position.

00:46:11.080 I want to know, do you think that is accurate to the independent woman's, maybe newly conservative woman's experience, especially those who voted for Trump because of the Maha movement?

00:46:25.060 I think that that is probably an accurate representation because a lot of people moved from California to Austin.

00:46:32.420 Their husbands were already conservative, but especially after everything in 2020, they started going to church.

00:46:39.180 They started seeing, oh, these Trump supporters, they're not these like deranged Neanderthals that the media tells me they are.

00:46:45.780 And huh, they have a point about things.

00:46:47.380 They voted for Trump, maybe reluctantly.

00:46:49.300 Maybe they don't love everything that he supports.

00:46:52.020 But they did.

00:46:53.080 And then they get this kind of reaction from some of their friends who have been distanced from them.

00:46:59.200 I don't think it would come as a surprise, though, something like this.

00:47:03.060 They definitely would have already talked about the election.

00:47:06.200 Something that's interesting about White Lotus, which, again, I don't recommend.

00:47:09.760 There has been a piece in the past of White Lotus that is making fun of liberals, at least that I've seen.

00:47:17.280 It is, it's, they're strange, they're strange shows.

00:47:20.900 There's like bits of satire in there and certainly cultural critique.

00:47:24.700 And sometimes it's hard to tell like what is being made fun of from the bits of pieces and pieces that I've seen.

00:47:30.080 But it's also a little self-reflective.

00:47:32.760 I'm sure most people on White Lotus are truly progressive themselves.

00:47:35.920 But it makes fun of these kinds of elite progressives for sure.

00:47:41.080 And there is a critique of lavishness in here and all of that.

00:47:45.760 But I just wanted to see what you saw.

00:47:48.940 So interestingly, actress Leslie Bibb, who plays Kate, and Kate, I guess, is the person who is the conservative in that group.

00:47:59.100 Okay, she told Variety that the scene was actually written back in 2022, since the season was originally set to be filmed in January 2023, before the SAG strike happened.

00:48:15.000 Now that the episode dropped after the 2024 election, it takes on a new significance.

00:48:19.660 When we were filming it, she said it actually felt like it was going to be irrelevant.

00:48:23.800 Bibb said of the scene, everything feels so divisive, yet we're not.

00:48:27.060 I mean, they're all sort of passionate women and have all these feelings with all these different stances.

00:48:31.600 Oh, this is conservative coded.

00:48:33.500 This is conservative coded language right here.

00:48:36.480 To say that there are all different kinds of women with all different kinds of stances, it's only conservatives who talk like that, especially when you're in Hollywood. 1.00

00:48:43.500 But there is some tether between them.

00:48:45.480 You don't have to throw the baby out with the bathwater just because of their political views.

00:48:49.180 Liberals don't talk like that.

00:48:50.860 So I don't know.

00:48:52.000 Maybe this is also true of her own life.

00:48:54.340 I'm just saying, interesting to see something like this in the media.

00:48:58.880 I know it was filmed previously, but it also just seems a part of this cultural shift that it's kind of like okay to not depict Trump supporters as stupid and ugly all the time.

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00:51:32.140 Some of it is like a prime target for censorship, so we have to be careful about that.

00:51:37.240 But we want you to be able to see it.

00:51:38.780 So go to BlazeTV.com slash Allie. 0.97

00:51:40.860 All right, that's all we've got time for today.

00:51:42.240 We will be back here on Monday.

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Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - March 06, 2025

Ep 1152 ｜ The Reason Christianity's Decline Is Slowing Down

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