Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1153 ｜ The Men on 'Love Is Blind' Need to Stop Compromising

00:00:00.280 Love is Blind got political this season. We are going to respond to the viral clips of

00:00:05.360 liberal women leaving their conservative-leaning fiancés at the altar and talking about

00:00:10.360 what it means about where we are as two genders and where culture is in America. Also, I will be

00:00:17.420 giving some free dating, relationship, and marriage advice within that. Also, 1946, the

00:00:25.260 documentary that claims that homosexuality is not actually forbidden and scripture is making its

00:00:30.740 rounds online. Again, we will be debunking its claims with a full, thorough, biblical response

00:00:37.000 on today's episode of Relatable. It's brought to you by our friends at Good Ranchers. Go to

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00:00:44.820 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Monday. Hope everyone had a wonderful weekend and is

00:00:59.880 having a wonderful start to your spring. I absolutely loathe the spring forward time change. I just don't

00:01:08.660 like it and I know every year people talk about legislation that would make a change on this and

00:01:15.680 I just hope that one day it actually happens. Like, do they not have the momentum? Do they not

00:01:21.780 have the numbers? Every year we complain about this and I just appreciate the state of Arizona

00:01:27.280 because it's really, really nice when it's so light, so early, and then we change it and then it's dark

00:01:35.320 when you wake up and it's very demotivating, especially on a Monday. And so I just want you

00:01:41.360 to know, legislators out there, I am with you if you want to pass a law to make this silly

00:01:49.980 time change thing that we do go away. Anyway, I apologize for the sound of this. We are recording

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00:03:13.960 11th. I am so pumped about it. All right, let's get started on today's topics. You guys have been

00:03:21.640 sending me these clips from Love is Blind. Love is Blind is a Netflix reality dating show.

00:03:27.520 I think I watched season one a few years ago. Was this born during COVID, if I remember

00:03:35.000 correctly? I really could never get into it. I've never really liked dating shows. I mean,

00:03:41.260 I think I watched The Bachelor a little bit in middle school when it started, I think. Maybe

00:03:47.360 a little bit in high school. I think I watched one season in college, and I've caught clips

00:03:53.460 and the news about The Bachelor and The Bachelorette here and there for the past few years. It's just

00:03:59.040 not my cup of tea, and neither is Love is Blind, but it's still going on. I didn't even know that.

00:04:07.180 It's still going on, and this past season have had some political moments. So this is what happens

00:04:14.780 if you don't know anything about Love is Blind. 32 singles look for love without seeing the people

00:04:19.920 they're getting to know. So they're talking through a wall. They recently aired its finale. So this is

00:04:26.760 this season eight aired its finale, which saw two liberal women leave their fiancés at the altar

00:04:33.480 because the men did not share their progressive values. That's the one weird thing about so many

00:04:38.660 of these dating shows like The Bachelor is that at the end of it, you are expected to propose or to

00:04:44.240 get married to this person. Why can't you just say, yeah, we're going to date? And actually,

00:04:48.680 it does seem like the contestants that have their head screwed on right who say, we're not actually

00:04:54.000 going to get married or get engaged right now. We're just going to date, see if we really like

00:04:57.580 and love each other, and then we can move to that stage. Those people not only seem healthier and more

00:05:02.880 stable, but they also seem to be more successful. I will shout out, though, that what's her name?

00:05:10.340 Trista and Ryan from, I think, season one of The Bachelorette, if I remember correctly. Or is it The

00:05:17.000 Bachelor? I don't even know. But they're still together to this day. I think they've been married

00:05:21.620 20 plus years, and they have kids, and I think that's amazing. So I shouldn't hate on all of this

00:05:27.220 unconditionally. I guess it can work for the right people. But it did not work for these couples. So

00:05:33.120 this season of Love is Blind is in Minneapolis, Minnesota. Over the first few episodes, this is

00:05:41.800 roughly two weeks in real time. The singles have dates where they're separated by this wall. They

00:05:47.140 can only hear each other, so they're asking all of these questions to each other to try to get to

00:05:51.200 know the other one. 10 of the 32 cast members form strong enough relationships to get engaged without

00:05:58.480 ever meeting face-to-face. To get engaged. See, I just think that that's so silly. After the five

00:06:04.900 couples got engaged and saw each other for the first time, Netflix followed them as they vacationed

00:06:11.140 together, met each other's families, and planned a wedding all within a few weeks. So the premise

00:06:16.560 is usually that the couples make it all the way to the altar, and then each person decides whether or

00:06:21.340 not to get married on the spot. But they're all dressed up like they're about to have a wedding.

00:06:26.700 And if the premise is really that you haven't totally decided, but you're going to decide when

00:06:32.300 you get to the altar, I think that makes a mockery of the seriousness of marriage. It's also just not

00:06:38.360 good for you emotionally. You're supposed to only do that, make that huge investment emotionally,

00:06:45.520 mentally, financially, spiritually, to get to the point of getting to the inception of your marriage

00:06:53.520 when you really know, when you're serious about it, not when you're still deciding.

00:06:58.720 So there were only four couples who ended up actually making it to the altar. So five who said

00:07:03.400 I wanted to get engaged, but four couples who made it to the altar. And the two that we're going to

00:07:08.280 talk about today, Ben Mazinga and Sarah Carton and Virginia Miller and Devin Buckley. So there were

00:07:16.020 some political issues among these two couples that aired that caused a lot of discussion on X. And

00:07:23.760 that's why you guys have been sending me these clips to hear my thoughts about it. So this is Sarah.

00:07:29.100 During her blind date with Ben, she told him that social justice causes are important to her

00:07:35.000 and that she doesn't like Ben's answers, that he just doesn't have strong opinions. Here's top nine.

00:07:42.620 Like I really didn't get into politics or like I didn't get interested until Trump took office

00:07:48.960 and George Floyd. I'm like kind of ignorant towards that stuff. Like I didn't vote in the last election.

00:07:55.740 Like as long as I don't know, it's not going to, you know, do much. So that is so annoying.

00:08:01.620 I'm sorry. So George Floyd, that obviously hit home because George Floyd happened in Minneapolis.

00:08:08.780 What are your thoughts on Black Lives Matter?

00:08:13.920 Like I'm not one way or another. I just kind of keep out of it. I've just kind of been staying out of it.

00:08:19.640 Um, I don't like those answers, to be honest.

00:08:24.940 Okay. To be fair to homegirl, I don't like those answers either. And if I were her, that would rub me

00:08:29.980 the wrong way. Now, obviously I am the opposite of where she is, as we see later. She is not talking

00:08:36.160 about, oh, I got interested in politics because I like Trump or because I am against the fraud that

00:08:45.580 is BLM, but because she believes in progressive causes, social justice, so-called causes. And his

00:08:53.420 response was, well, I don't really know what I think about that. I don't blame her for bringing

00:08:59.040 that up. If that is something that's important to her, I think it is really important that she

00:09:04.120 brought it up. And I think that he's a coward. I'm sorry. It is really, it would not be acceptable

00:09:10.360 to me if I were on a date with someone and thank the Lord, I have not had to go on a date in so long

00:09:17.580 in over 10 years. And I brought up something that was that important to me. That was within the realm

00:09:24.180 of morality and even spirituality, since your politics is really going to be driven what you

00:09:30.060 think about God and right and wrong and who created all of this and placed us here and made things for

00:09:38.380 purpose. And the person sitting across from me didn't have a good answer, basically was apathetic.

00:09:44.600 I would be upset about that too. So don't blame her for bringing it up. And I don't blame her for

00:09:50.300 saying that those answers were annoying. I do think that he should have had a position on these things.

00:09:56.620 And I think that he does have a position on these things. I think that he liked this girl. He read the

00:10:01.880 room. He knew probably that she was leaning left, just reading in between the lines from what she said.

00:10:07.580 He didn't want to lose it. And so he said, yeah, I just don't really care. To me, that's probably

00:10:12.580 conservative coded, that he probably does lean to the right. He is at the very least center right.

00:10:19.660 And so he says, well, I don't really care. That's something that conservatives do, or people at least

00:10:25.740 who lean right do when they don't want to offend the other person, but maybe they're not very strong

00:10:30.960 in their convictions. I have heard guys before who are conservative, but they will put on their

00:10:37.240 dating profile that they are moderate or that they are left leaning because they don't want to scare

00:10:41.900 away the liberal girls. I think that's a horrible idea because if you don't really believe that,

00:10:49.120 like if you are not really left leaning, if you're not really moderate and you end up dating someone who

00:10:55.500 is, the values are going to clash and you're going to end up being miserable. I know that as a guy,

00:11:02.460 you're thinking, I can fix her. And that is possible. I absolutely think that the best thing

00:11:08.580 to happen to a liberal girl is to marry a conservative guy and move to the right. That's

00:11:14.720 good for her, but I would never wish that upon a conservative guy. I would never ask or tell a

00:11:21.460 conservative guy to do that because he is potentially signing up for a lot of heartache, especially when

00:11:27.200 it comes to choosing a church, especially when it comes to raising children. Marriage is already hard

00:11:33.420 between two people who are really similar with the same value systems and the same politics and the

00:11:38.500 same background. You still have to work on it just because you're talking about two sinners.

00:11:43.700 But if you're talking about two sinners who have completely juxtaposed worldviews when it comes to

00:11:49.420 things like abortion and gender injustice, that is a recipe for chaos. And you get married

00:11:56.180 to be a stabilizing force for the other people, for the other person, a stabilizing force for children,

00:12:03.040 a stabilizing force for your community and for the nation. And if you don't have stability within

00:12:08.040 your home, there's no way that you can lend stability to those outside your home. All right?

00:12:15.320 Okay. So that's the first couple. That's where they started. And we'll talk a little bit about

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00:13:50.460 Okay, so I guess Sarah started internalizing all of that. She started thinking about it,

00:13:55.360 but for whatever reason, they both decide that, yes, this is the one. This is the one for me

00:14:01.780 right here, and we are going to keep going, and we are going to go to the altar. Now, I don't know

00:14:06.860 entirely how all of this works. Do the producers decide beforehand, hey, these people are going to

00:14:12.840 get together, and they're going to make it to the end because they've got interesting stories?

00:14:16.560 Did the producers want to create this kind of tense moment that would then go viral on X,

00:14:22.260 and then people like me would be talking about it because it's good advertising? I think that that

00:14:27.880 is likely. I don't know that for sure. Maybe this is a genuine disagreement, and this kind of breakup

00:14:33.600 that we're about to see was totally organic. I'm not sure. Here's SOT 11.

00:14:37.420 I love you so much.

00:14:43.900 But I've always wanted a partner to be on the same wavelength, and so today I can't.

00:14:54.480 Like, I asked him about, like, Black Lives Matter, and I'm no expert, but, like, when I asked him

00:14:58.780 about it, he was like, I guess I've never really thought too much about it. That affected me,

00:15:02.900 especially in our own city. Like, how could it not? I asked him, too, like, what his church's views

00:15:08.980 are, and he said he didn't know. And so then I watched a sermon online. From his church? About,

00:15:18.640 yeah, sexual identity. Okay. And it was traditional. Sometimes I did wonder if it was surface,

00:15:25.260 fun, carefree love that we had. Equality, religion, um, the vaccine.

00:15:34.560 Ah! Okay, so Bro dodged a bullet, and I hope that this is radicalizing for him in the best way

00:15:42.220 possible. I hope that he realizes that compromising, at least outwardly when it comes to these really

00:15:50.000 important things actually doesn't win you anything. This would have hurt way worse in the long run if

00:15:56.660 he would have decided to go through with this marriage, and then they really get into where

00:16:02.260 they disagree, when they're raising children, when they're picking a church. Dude, I am so glad that,

00:16:09.460 actually, I'm going to give her a little credit, that she was the one that had the courage to say

00:16:13.440 these things are too important, and I'm walking away. Now, I think her worldview is completely insane,

00:16:18.800 and it's wrong, and it's nowhere close to Christian. The fact that she was like,

00:16:23.500 the sexual identity sermon was traditional. You mean biblical. It's not rooted in tradition. It's

00:16:29.740 rooted in creation, that God created us male and female, and that is the definition of marriage.

00:16:35.200 Okay, so it's not, like, tradition is kind of arbitrary, but when something is based in creation,

00:16:41.880 there's no wiggle room on that. So I'm glad he goes to a church that apparently preaches the Bible,

00:16:46.560 but he needs to stick to his guns, and he should not be apologizing or being wishy-washy on the

00:16:55.280 things that God calls good and right and true, and that includes the definition of justice,

00:16:59.940 the definition of marriage, all of these things. He should be strong and bold. Look, he's a cutie.

00:17:05.560 He's going to find a conservative Christian girl. Now, you might have to get out of Minneapolis and

00:17:10.960 move down south, but you can find one. However, a girl who is strong in her faith and knows what

00:17:18.900 she believes would not marry a man like that, all right? So it's time for him to buck up. It's time

00:17:24.080 for him to get stronger. It's time for him to be more resolute and outspoken about what he believes

00:17:29.600 and to not compromise because you want to marry a woman who is also not compromising on those things

00:17:35.540 so you can raise children who are not compromising on those things. Hear me again. Marriage can already

00:17:41.920 be hard at points. It already is going to take work. That's just baked into, again, two imperfect

00:17:49.540 people living together, sharing all of your time and your space and your resources. That's why marriage

00:17:55.260 can be so sanctifying. One of the best things that you can do is find someone who is like-minded with

00:18:03.660 you on all of the things that really matter, on all of the foundationally religious and moral and even

00:18:11.680 political things. Sure, there are secondary tertiary issues that could be fun to discuss and debate

00:18:16.900 and disagree on, but the more you can agree on when it comes to those important things,

00:18:22.540 the better. I mean, Chief Related Bro and I, we don't come from the exact same upbringing. I was raised in

00:18:30.420 the suburbs of Dallas. He was raised in a small town in Georgia, but we both had Southern Baptist

00:18:38.900 upbringings, explicitly Christian biblical upbringings, and we didn't have big disagreements

00:18:45.880 when we got married, and I think that set us up really well. So that's the advice that I would give

00:18:50.560 any of these people, including Virginia and Devin. And so this is another kind of conversation

00:18:56.260 that the couple who's laying in bed, why are we all laying in bed? You're not married?

00:19:03.520 They were living together, though, leading up to their wedding after love is blind.

00:19:07.940 They were living together when they had this conversation, okay? It seemed like this should

00:19:11.860 have already happened. Devin asked Virginia if she votes with her faith in mind when she brings

00:19:18.880 up abortion, because she brings up, yeah, I believe in abortion rights. And he was like, oh, well,

00:19:23.300 how does Christianity factor into that, girlfriend? Here's that 10.

00:19:27.100 But I do think that I make decisions from my faith, you know what I mean? So that just might

00:19:31.760 be a different view than, like, how Republicans that are conservative feel about it, right?

00:19:37.660 I think people should have abortion rights. You know, that type of stuff. I think gay people

00:19:44.480 should have rights. All those things. So, and it's hard because all of those things are, like,

00:19:51.040 becoming political, you know what I mean? Conversations again, when it's like, I thought

00:19:55.460 we were so far past that, but we're not.

00:19:59.220 Oh, gosh, these girls are just so ignorant. They are just imbibing the left-wing toxic empathy

00:20:05.680 propaganda that is targeted toward women that tells them in order to be a good, compassionate

00:20:10.640 person. You have to be for progressive causes. And she believes that as a Christian, she can support

00:20:17.800 so-called abortion rights, which is just the illegal ability to be able to poison, dismember a baby

00:20:24.480 inside the womb. You can't. I mean, those two positions are completely irreconcilable. And by the

00:20:30.360 way, no one believes that gay people shouldn't have basic constitutional rights. The question is,

00:20:35.940 does the state, which was created by God, by the way, which the founders recognize, as we see in

00:20:41.800 our founding documents, does the government have the ability to redefine marriage? The government

00:20:48.580 didn't create marriage. America didn't create marriage. So why does it have the ability to

00:20:53.160 redefine it? We also know that that has had a profound effect on child creation and childbearing

00:20:59.380 as children are forced into motherless and fatherless homes. So we are forcing them into a place

00:21:04.780 of vulnerability and oppression, all because quote unquote, love is love. And yet again, here, you can

00:21:12.820 see that it's the guy who was being so like, he's trying to be so respectful and deferential and

00:21:17.540 listening to her. It ends up being the girl who leaves the guy. Here's at 12. I love you so much.

00:21:34.780 I didn't like that we had differences in politics. I don't think that was a deal breaker for me. It was

00:21:46.060 how the communication around that was handled. It wasn't that we saw things differently. Devin said

00:21:53.940 that he was raised in a conservative household. And he just asked me if I like voted with my faith in

00:22:01.420 mind. And that was off-putting because I do vote with my faith in mind.

00:22:07.700 Why was that off-putting? If you vote with your faith in mind, that seems like a totally legitimate

00:22:12.860 question to ask. And Devin didn't really say that he doesn't agree with her. He just said he was raised

00:22:21.440 in a conservative household. He also said, well, he thinks that men should have a say in abortion.

00:22:26.980 And apparently that was just too crazy for him to say. Again, that's conservative coded. I guarantee

00:22:31.920 you he has more conservative views. And he just didn't want to say. But look, he also should have

00:22:37.400 said that. He should have been stronger. I don't know if he's a Christian. I didn't watch the whole

00:22:43.440 series or the whole season. So I don't know. But there's no reason that they should have been

00:22:49.600 living together. And for her to get to the altar and say that she's not ready to get married when

00:22:53.600 they've already been playing house together, that's wrong. So everything there is just disordered.

00:22:59.700 Her worldview is disordered. His priorities are disordered. But again, he dodged a bullet. He will

00:23:06.760 be able to find a conservative Christian woman if he is looking in the right places. But that's probably

00:23:12.780 not going to be on Love is Blind. Some people on X are talking about this. So one viral, I can't read

00:23:23.080 everything. One viral tweet has 4.8 million views. This person says, LMAO, conservatives getting mad at

00:23:31.420 Love is Blind because they realize they are, I'll just say, unmarriable. They also say unsomethingable.

00:23:38.260 But I will not say that. And this seems to be a popular take from some left-wing users when

00:23:43.700 obviously that's not true. I mean, left-wingers really do live in an alternate reality that is

00:23:49.120 void of statistics, that is void of logic, that is void of facts. I mean, conservative Christians

00:23:54.060 are far more likely to be married, happily married, kids happy with kids than progressives are. I mean,

00:24:01.200 even if you just look at the proportion of Americans that are on SSRIs, you will see that a huge

00:24:10.740 percentage, a disproportionate percentage of that is progressive women. Every statistic that we have

00:24:17.920 that is looking at all of those factors points to that, that left-wingers are far more likely to be on

00:24:24.560 SSRIs. They're far more likely to be single. They're far more likely to be childless. They're far more

00:24:29.660 likely to be in therapy. Now, I'm not saying that going to therapy is always an unconditionally bad.

00:24:35.300 I'm pointing to the fact that they actually tend to be, again, not always, but tend to be statistically

00:24:41.100 less happy and lonelier and more unstable. And they comfort themselves with this idea that everyone who

00:24:48.260 is married with kids who pretends to be happy on the right really is just pretending, that it's just

00:24:53.200 an act, that they're all just women or foot soldiers of the patriarchy, and that all the men are just

00:25:00.420 cheating, like we live in the 1960s madmen world, when that's just not true. Of course, some of that

00:25:07.360 exists because neither side is perfect. But when we are looking at generally, who is the most stable?

00:25:15.180 Who is the happiest? Who is the most attractive? It's certainly conservative young people. It's

00:25:21.200 certainly conservative women that tend to be more attractive and appealing to conservative men,

00:25:28.140 or I would just say men in general. But thanks, Love is Blind, for giving us a little peek into the

00:25:35.220 liberal woman's mind. Because really, it's not the men that are unmarriable. It's these women who are

00:25:43.900 probably going to be single for a long time. However, just to repeat, I do give them kudos for being the

00:25:50.500 ones willing to stand up and saying, you know what, the gap between our values is just too wide, and I can't

00:25:56.860 do this. It should have been the men. They shouldn't have been so passive just standing there and allowing

00:26:01.300 that to happen to them. They should have been the first ones to stop it and to say, no, I'm not going to

00:26:07.340 continue down this road. All right, now we are going to talk about this 1946 movie. We've talked about this

00:26:14.500 before, but we're going to get into a little more detail about this documentary. The 1946 documentary

00:26:21.200 claims that the word homosexuality was added into the Bible in biblical translations in 1946, and that

00:26:29.760 before that, the Bible didn't actually explicitly prohibit consensual relations between two men or two

00:26:38.000 women. That actually, when politics and sexuality kind of started to converge, or politics and religion

00:26:46.520 started to converge, that is when the demonization of homosexuality and LGBTQ people began, really in

00:26:54.180 mid-century. The idea is that before that, people really were neutral towards homosexuality. They were

00:27:00.000 neutral towards cross-dressing, and it wasn't until the modern evangelical movement that people started

00:27:06.880 hating gay people and thinking that homosexuality should not be a normal part of society. That is

00:27:13.800 all a complete and total lie, but there are certainly people who don't know better and are not thinking

00:27:19.760 very clearly and simply want to justify their sin who will watch a documentary like this, and because it

00:27:26.000 kind of feigns sophistication and feigns some kind of academic rigor, they will be taken by this, and so you

00:27:33.180 need to be equipped to speak against a lot of the lies that they are, that they are spouting in this

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00:29:13.660 Okay, in 2022, this documentary came out, so we've talked about it a couple times, but the reason why

00:29:19.140 we're talking about it right now is because it is circulating. They've got a web series going on

00:29:24.620 right now that they are trying to get the word out yet again about this 1946 documentary that they are

00:29:31.520 claiming will shift the culture and shift the Christian church back to the theologically proper

00:29:36.960 place of accepting homosexual unions. I mean, it is so laughable. It is so extremely laughable, but just

00:29:44.580 let me play you some clips from this so you can see. When your friends send it to you, you can say that

00:29:48.800 you watched some of it and that you will understand their position. I'm going to try to be as accurate

00:29:53.280 and generous as I possibly can in explaining the position that they are trying to take in this

00:30:00.040 documentary, and I'll show you these kind of lengthy clips just so you can get the proper context.

00:30:05.020 Here's top three. 1946 is the first time in any language, in any translation, the word homosexual ends

00:30:13.540 up in the Bible, right? Who made this decision? Why did they make this decision? How did they make this

00:30:18.200 decision? Part of the problem that translators face is that Bibles don't often come with

00:30:24.840 explanations. I was wrong, or I think I'm wrong, about what the Bible says. I believe that my family

00:30:32.940 and anybody who oppresses the LGBTQ community, I believe that they are victims of bad theology just

00:30:38.680 like we are. All right. They tie having a, what they would call traditional or a mistranslated view

00:30:48.000 of marriage as only between one man and one woman with, of course, Christian nationalism. So that tells

00:30:54.960 you exactly where they're coming from. All of these people are on the left. All of these people vote

00:30:59.640 Democrat. And whenever you have something like this that says that they are simply being academic,

00:31:05.140 that they are simply trying to translate the Bible accurately, that they're completely unbiased,

00:31:10.340 that they're not politically motivated, whenever you have people saying that, but they all fall under

00:31:15.920 the same exact ideological and political umbrella, then you should at the very least question the

00:31:25.360 veracity of their claims. That might not in itself discount what they're saying. We have to dig a little

00:31:30.760 bit deeper to do that. But you should ask yourself, when you hear them using modern political language

00:31:37.060 without actually defining their terms, like Christian nationalist or Christian nationalism,

00:31:42.800 then you should ask yourself, are they really thinking and speaking as critically as they think

00:31:48.920 they are? Because for a documentary that is all about defining our terms and translating things

00:31:54.840 correctly, they don't actually translate these, these political euphemisms that they're throwing out there

00:32:04.480 so indiscriminately. Here's an example. Sop 4.

00:32:07.720 I was pastoring during Trump, or maybe right before Trump got in. And I remember, you know,

00:32:17.400 talking to one of the church members, and I had quoted Jesus, and he called me a socialist.

00:32:23.320 And I was like, wait, I just quoted Jesus. Why are the words of Jesus becoming so offensive to

00:32:34.040 Christians? And it's just the whole play into Christian nationalism. You know, you can't really

00:32:43.520 quote a whole lot of Jesus when you're a Christian nationalist.

00:32:49.540 And again, when you hear people say Christian nationalist, they are almost always simply

00:32:54.800 talking about a conservative Christian. They're not actually talking about someone who believes in

00:33:01.040 putting the Old Testament system of governance in the United States today. I literally don't know anyone

00:33:09.960 who believes that. Even the people who unapologetically label themselves as Christian

00:33:14.620 nationalists don't believe that we should put Old Testament law in America today. And so when people

00:33:23.420 say that, it's, again, it's just a manipulation tactic to get conservative Christians to shut up. They

00:33:28.640 believe that they can use their faith to push their political message and their progressive agenda. But if

00:33:34.560 Christians say, hey, my conservative views are supported by the Bible, then that's Christian

00:33:40.740 nationalism. Okay? You understand what's going on here? And by the way, when people say this,

00:33:46.200 oh, the words of Jesus are so offensive to conservative Christians. I don't know the part of

00:33:51.780 the sermon that this person was referencing when she said that she quoted Jesus and someone called her

00:33:56.380 a socialist. I guarantee you she wasn't just quoting Jesus. She wasn't just saying, love your enemies.

00:34:03.080 She wasn't just saying, forgive those who trespass against you. She probably was misusing, misapplying

00:34:11.440 the words of Jesus to support socialism. And I would ask her, are you a socialist? She probably is a

00:34:16.640 socialist. She just probably is. I mean, she's a female pastor. She's a part of this progressive

00:34:22.720 documentary. There's not a chance in heck she's ever voted for anyone except for Democrats straight down

00:34:28.120 the ticket. She probably loves Bernie Sanders. Are you a socialist? And do you think the Bible

00:34:33.060 supports socialism? Because a lot of these people will misuse, for example, the passages in Acts that

00:34:39.800 talk about the early church giving to others out of the outpouring of their hearts through the power

00:34:46.660 of the Holy Spirit they gave to everyone according to their need. Except that's not socialism.

00:34:52.900 socialism is the forced giving, surrendering of your money to others. And that is not what the early

00:35:02.060 church practiced. The early church practiced cheerful giving as we are commanded to do by God

00:35:08.040 through the power of the Holy Spirit, freely, without compulsion. Socialism says, you give us your money,

00:35:14.840 you give us your stuff so we can distribute it or you're going to go to jail or we will kill you.

00:35:18.980 Please face wall. That's different than what the early church practiced. So I would love to know,

00:35:24.540 does this woman think that Jesus' words support socialism? If so, then the person who criticized

00:35:29.980 you was probably correct. And what she says about, oh, you can't quote Jesus if you're a so-called

00:35:37.160 Christian nationalist. I would love to know what they believe. And this really dismantles the entire

00:35:43.260 premise in general. I would love to know what they believe about Jesus' words in Matthew 19.

00:35:48.280 It doesn't have any of the Greek terms or Greek words that they take issue with that we'll get to

00:35:54.520 in just a second. It just lays it out very clearly. He is responding to a question from the Pharisees

00:35:59.780 about divorce. And instead of just saying, yeah, God doesn't like divorce, God allowed divorce

00:36:05.720 in the Old Testament because of the hardness of the hearts of the Israelites, because of people's sin,

00:36:12.120 but he doesn't love it. He could have just said that. But instead, he goes all the way to

00:36:16.700 creation. He says this in Matthew 19, four through five, have you not read that he who created them

00:36:22.840 from the beginning made them male and female and said, therefore, a man shall leave his father and

00:36:28.880 his mother and hold fast to his wife and the two shall become one flesh. So in a matter of just two

00:36:35.380 verses, three times, Jesus reiterates the gender binary that existed at creation, the definition

00:36:45.020 of marriage between one man and one woman, the man will leave his father and mother, not just parents,

00:36:52.740 and hold fast to his wife. So three times right there, God defines marriage, Jesus defines marriage

00:36:58.520 in Matthew 19, four through five. You are probably not surprised to find out that in the entirety of

00:37:03.880 this documentary, they never look at Jesus's words there. They never look at any passage that

00:37:09.500 positively define marriage as this. They hone in on these Greek words that they say were mistranslated

00:37:15.500 to mean something that they didn't actually originally mean. And we'll get more into that in just a second.

00:37:21.740 Really, what is underneath all of this? What these so-called red-letter Christians, the Christians

00:37:29.120 who are, they're not really Christians, but professing Christians who say, well, let's just focus on

00:37:34.660 Jesus's words and the rest of the stuff can be, you know, can be translated differently, reinterpreted

00:37:42.420 however we see fit, but let us use the words of Jesus to bolster our communistic or progressive

00:37:49.000 worldview. These people, in essence, even if they don't explicitly through their words do this,

00:37:54.960 they, in essence, deny the Godship of Jesus because they want to separate Jesus from the rest

00:38:02.620 of God and from the rest of Scripture. But we can't do that. If you're just to take the Gospels and to

00:38:07.620 say, okay, I'm only going to believe in the Gospels, which you really can't do because of what I'm about

00:38:11.920 to read. But even if you are only to read the Gospels, you will run into John 1, 1 through 5, plus 14.

00:38:18.340 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the

00:38:24.440 beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him was not anything made that

00:38:31.420 was made. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness,

00:38:37.360 and the darkness has not overcome it. And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen

00:38:43.640 His glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth. And so read that

00:38:51.540 passage. It is obviously describing Jesus. In the beginning was Jesus. Jesus was with God. Jesus was

00:38:58.980 God. He was in the beginning with God, as God. Everything was made through Him. So we cannot

00:39:05.600 separate the entirety of God's Word from Jesus, because everything God says throughout Scripture,

00:39:12.260 Jesus says also. So a little bit more about the background of this documentary, why it's being

00:39:19.880 made. It's being made by a gay filmmaker. He grew up in a Christian household, or she grew up in a

00:39:25.280 Christian household where her father, who was a pastor, held to a biblical view of marriage,

00:39:31.120 disapproved of her so-called sexual orientation. Her name is Sharon Rocky Roggio. She said this to

00:39:39.200 GLAD. She said, Biblical literalism has led to the marginalization of innumerable human beings,

00:39:44.740 not just within the LGBTQIA plus community. I hope this film starts the necessary conversations that

00:39:51.380 rids this bad theology from the church and from our homes. We must address this mistake with

00:39:57.200 compassion and consideration as often our loved ones are our oppressors and the perpetrators of

00:40:03.220 persecution because of this information. Look, these people don't actually believe in sin. They don't

00:40:09.260 believe in true holiness. They believe that the only sin is saying that they're sin, especially if what

00:40:15.220 we are saying is sin confronts their desires. They don't want their lust. They don't want their

00:40:20.840 disordered passions to be confronted. And look, we were all there at one point. So I have compassion.

00:40:26.680 I am no better in and of myself in my flesh than any of these people. All of us have gone to great

00:40:34.460 lengths at one point or another to justify our sin. If we read Ephesians 2, if you've been listening to

00:40:40.840 this podcast for a long time, you know this is one of my favorite passages. I've memorized it because it

00:40:46.440 is such a good depiction of the gospel. I encourage you to memorize it too. But we were all once dead in

00:40:53.880 our sin following the prince of the power of the air, Satan, who is now at work in the sons of

00:40:59.340 disobedience among whom we all once walked in the passions of our flesh. And so I have sympathy

00:41:07.100 for them understanding that they are lost as I was once lost. What is sad though is that they are trying

00:41:14.900 very hard to tie a millstone around the necks of others who might be able to repent and receive

00:41:25.540 God's grace and to walk in true holiness. And their judgment because of that will be very great

00:41:32.240 unless they repent themselves. So the documentary really focuses on three different people and their

00:41:38.720 upbringing. And one of the people that they focus on, her name is Kathy Baldock. So Kathy is the author

00:41:45.340 of Walking the Bridgeless Canyon, Repairing the Breach Between the Church and the LGBT Community. That's

00:41:52.260 what she calls it. She says there's LGBT persecution in the church. Kathy developed a friendship with a

00:41:58.600 lesbian woman who made her reconsider what the Bible says about marriage. And when the friend told her,

00:42:02.580 I'm a woman of color, I'm a Native American, I'm a lesbian, and not even God loves me. That is when

00:42:09.560 Kathy started rethinking what the Bible has to say. And that is when, I mean, she's basically admitting

00:42:16.460 that it was a relationship with someone, that someone said something that hurt her emotionally or

00:42:22.240 made her feel something that made her re-evaluate and re-interpret scripture. So rather than allowing

00:42:28.720 scripture to inform what she told this woman, she allowed what this woman told her to re-evaluate

00:42:37.340 scripture and to motivate her study of scripture. So that's really where this starts. What that poor

00:42:42.840 woman needed to hear who believed that God didn't love her was that, wow, God loves you so much.

00:42:47.680 God loves you so much that he sent his own son to die for you and he wants what is very best for you.

00:42:52.680 And look, we are all called to deny ourselves, to take up our cross and to follow Christ. And that

00:42:59.440 means we all have to defy or deny the desires of our flesh, the lust of our eyes. All of us have

00:43:08.960 these carnal passions that have to be bridled and killed as we serve the Lord. And he frees us from

00:43:16.860 enslavement to our sin. Like this woman who believed that God didn't love her needed to hear the good

00:43:22.400 news, not for the so-called Christian in front of her to say, oh, okay, you're right. Maybe God was

00:43:27.980 wrong. Now here's what's interesting about Kathy Baldock, who is a part of this radical documentary,

00:43:32.560 who has been pushing this lie that actually all forms of sexuality are fine. The reason why her name

00:43:40.040 stuck out as I was looking into this documentary is that I remembered her from an episode that we did,

00:43:46.100 a couple years ago on Andy Stanley's church and a conference he was hosting called the

00:43:50.720 Unconditional Conference. He hosted and has endorsed a couple named Greg and Lynn McDonald.

00:43:57.120 They wrote a book and have an organization called Embracing the Journey. They really aim to get

00:44:01.100 conservative Christian parents to kind of put their biblical theology about sexuality and gender

00:44:05.640 on the shelf and just embrace their LGBTQ identifying child. Greg and Lynn have been promoted by Andy

00:44:14.040 Stanley. They spoke in 2023 at the Unconditional Conference. That's Andy Stanley's conference again,

00:44:19.960 along with other LGBT-affirming professing Christians. And this was a conference that was

00:44:26.060 praised online on X by LGBT-affirming progressive activists who were in attendance. And I will link to

00:44:36.940 the past episode that I did on Andy Stanley and this conference. But the connection here is that Kathy

00:44:43.340 is one of the endorsers that is listed on Greg and Lynn McDonald's book, Embracing the Journey,

00:44:51.020 which again, has been promoted by Andy Stanley. So just for you to get a sense of, one, where I think,

00:44:59.640 personally, just based on his comments, Andy Stanley is going, where his church is going,

00:45:04.300 what some of the conferences that he is promoting the people, that he is promoting the direction

00:45:09.980 they're going, but also how this is seeping into the evangelical church, this idea that homosexuality

00:45:18.600 is not really a sin, that it's different than the other things that are prohibited by the Bible,

00:45:23.580 and we actually need to embrace it. Okay, so here is their main argument, the thrust of their argument,

00:45:29.740 and that is that the word homosexual was mistranslated by those creating or translating

00:45:36.540 the RSV, or Revised Standard Version in 1946. They translated Greek words wrongly. So for example,

00:45:49.000 in 1 Corinthians 6, 9, when it says, do you not know that men who practice homosexuality among other sins

00:45:54.700 will not inherit the kingdom of God? They argue that it should have been, as it reads now through

00:46:01.980 other revisions of the RSV, sexual perverts, not homosexuals, but sexual perverts. But they said

00:46:10.760 after this translation happened in 1946, and they wrongly misinterpreted this Greek word,

00:46:16.460 the translators at the time, well, then it spread like wildfire, and all of these other versions started

00:46:22.860 to say homosexuals too. So the Greek words that the documentarians claim were mistranslated were

00:46:29.660 malakoi, which they argue means lazy, decadent, lack of courage, and arsenikoitai, a combination of two

00:46:40.800 words. Arson means male, and koitai, which means bad or lying. They claim that arsenikoitai is a word not

00:46:49.040 often used during the time period because Paul made it up, but it likely meant some kind of rape,

00:46:55.340 abuse, or exploitation, not homosexual behavior. This person, Kathy Baldock, claims that no one can

00:47:02.900 know what is meant by this word because it's not defined, and so it probably means some kind of

00:47:08.840 predation. Here's South 5. So this 1581 Greek to Latin lexicon is the oldest book I have in my

00:47:16.640 collection. The word arsenikoitai is what has been translated as homosexual. It says pettico.

00:47:23.940 Pettico is boy molester. This word is one of Paul's made-up words. So we don't exactly know,

00:47:32.720 but we know the system, and because we know the system, we can make an intelligent guesstimate

00:47:40.560 that he's talking about a particular system of domination where you have a powerful man

00:47:48.940 over a less powerful young man. Okay, so this is what they're claiming, that they're really talking

00:47:55.360 about pedophilia. In some other parts of the documentary, they claim it could be

00:47:59.160 prostitution, but it's a power imbalance here, which really goes to their critical theory claim

00:48:07.820 work, which is all about oppressor versus the oppressed. It's all about the victimizer versus

00:48:13.640 the victim, and so that is the lens through which they are trying to interpret scripture

00:48:17.920 and apply scripture. It's not really that they care about what the original Greek was, and also you

00:48:24.380 see there that they're making a big jump. Because they don't know what that word really means, or it

00:48:30.860 was kind of a new word, arsenikoitai, that it must have meant, because of the so-called system of the

00:48:37.200 time, some kind of domineering, predatory, pederasty relationship. They claim that prior to this change

00:48:46.760 in 1946, there was no malice towards homosexuality in the Bible at all, that this is when it all started,

00:48:54.080 and even though in 1971, a group of translators who were translating and revising the RSV changed

00:49:01.280 this verse back to sexual perverts, that the damage had already been done in evangelicalism,

00:49:06.600 they note that Billy Graham began recommending the Living Bible in his Crusades, which helped spur the

00:49:11.860 popularity of that translation, according to the filmmakers, and that is what spread the disdain

00:49:19.500 for homosexuality among evangelicals. They also accused evangelicals of teaming up with Republicans

00:49:27.240 to wage a culture war on homosexuals. Kathy says that during the 1980s, conservative Bible

00:49:32.180 translations and conservative politics jump in bed together to form an unsacred, illicit abuse

00:49:39.080 of church and Bible to control people. Because before this, America was super progressive,

00:49:45.580 and Christians had no opinions on politics at all. It couldn't be that Christians are actually

00:49:51.360 responding to the liberalization of America that occurred so quickly in the 1960s and 70s. It must

00:49:58.920 just be this newfound hatred for homosexuality among Christians. Here's thought six.

00:50:04.560 Conservative religion and conservative politics unites at the election of Ronald Reagan.

00:50:10.640 When homosexuality was depathologized in 73, if politics had not gotten involved in unison with

00:50:20.780 religion, gay people would have just organically grassroots come out of this wrong teaching of who they

00:50:29.240 were all these years. Overnight, they're no longer sick, right? Depathologized. But then religion and

00:50:35.820 politics get together and gay people become politicized. Okay. Again, could it have been

00:50:46.100 that Christians and conservatives are starting to talk about this because homosexuality had become

00:50:53.460 much more accepted, had become much more rampant, and the push for things like civil unions and later

00:51:00.720 the complete redefinition of marriage, the redefining of gender altogether has actually caused a response

00:51:08.480 and a reaction among Christian conservatives who believe, as Christians have always believed and as

00:51:14.840 Jews believed before us, that God made us male and female in his image. But of course, they always claim

00:51:22.660 that it's actually the reverse. And she also goes on to say that the ESV is the worst translation.

00:51:27.920 It's the most demonic, most evil translation. And of course, that is the best translation, I believe. That is my

00:51:34.660 favorite translation. I like the NASB. I also like the NKJV. I think those are fine. I like the ESV because it is a

00:51:43.360 word-for-word translation while also remaining pretty colloquial. Not as colloquial as the NIV, but the NIV is a

00:51:51.700 thought-for-thought translation. So it's just not quite as exact. I like the NA or the ESV just because it's easier

00:51:59.380 to read. But I also can really trust that this is an accurate and thoughtful interpretation. In my opinion, it's

00:52:07.480 the best. So that's what I've been using. The ESV study Bible is incredible. And she, of course, demonizes it.

00:52:13.580 So let's go ahead and debunk this. And a lot of people have done really good work. And so I have

00:52:18.140 taken some of the work of Denny Burke and Stand to Reason. They have both debunked a lot of the

00:52:26.140 specifically the lies about the Greek words and the interpretations. They have debunked those. And so

00:52:34.280 I'm going to go through some of the things that they have pointed out. So throughout the 2,000-year

00:52:38.920 history of the Christian church, all Christians from every tradition. So we're talking about Roman

00:52:43.020 Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Protestant, have recognized that the Bible forbids sexual activity

00:52:48.020 outside of marriage, including and especially activity between persons of the same sex. This

00:52:56.920 firmly held belief has been in place well before the word homosexuality was coined in the English

00:53:01.700 language. And I will get to my take on that in just a second. But here's what's important. We actually

00:53:08.140 do know what this word that these documentarians say that we don't know what it actually meant and

00:53:14.580 what Paul meant when he used this word arsenikoitai. And this is based on today's best scholarship of the

00:53:21.800 Greek word. This is according to Stand to Reason. It literally means, according to context and everything

00:53:27.280 we know about the Greek language and the historical context of the time, it means men who lie with a male.

00:53:33.540 It is not surprising that the most prominent English translation, the NIV 2011 revision,

00:53:39.280 translates the Greek as men who have sex with men. Also, the two words that make up arsenikoitai,

00:53:46.000 arsen and koiti, appear close together in two Greek Old Testament verses in what is known as the

00:53:53.500 Septuagint. These verses are Leviticus 18.22 and 2013, the very two verses in the Mosaic Law that condemn

00:54:01.380 homosexuality. Leviticus 18.22, you shall not lie with a male as a man lies with a woman. That's an

00:54:08.440 abomination. Leviticus 20.13, if a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed

00:54:13.760 an abomination. Not just adultery, but abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood is

00:54:20.140 upon them. And so, again, you don't actually see this documentary going into those verses and

00:54:25.560 explaining the mistranslation there. They're only focused on this one word, homosexuality.

00:54:31.840 But when you look at these passages in Leviticus, for example, that forbid this, they say a man

00:54:38.940 lying with a man as one would lie with a woman. So that's not rape. That's not pederasty. That's

00:54:46.120 not pedophilia. That's not prostitution. That is, having sex with a man as a man would and should be

00:54:52.140 having sex with a woman, aka, according to scripture, just his wife. The reason why homosexuality was not

00:54:59.960 seen in translations pre-1946 is not because the concept was not there in the original Greek,

00:55:07.700 but because this word homosexuality is fairly new in our lexicon. Really, we don't see this word

00:55:14.380 homosexual until like the late 19th century. And so, of course, it took the revisers of these

00:55:24.000 different versions of scripture time to catch up to the cultural lexicon that is always what happens,

00:55:30.720 that is still something that's happening. But very faithful theologians and scholars, New Testament,

00:55:37.360 Old Testament, Greek, Hebrew scholars, have taken pains for centuries now to ensure the proper

00:55:46.320 interpretation of these passages. So in other words, according to these organizations, Paul

00:55:56.160 invents a new Greek word that literally means men who lie with a male. And the two words that he used

00:56:00.820 to create this new one are found together, are the ones found together in Leviticus. Also in the

00:56:07.940 documentary, they talk about clobber passages. These are parts of the Bible which seem to forbid

00:56:12.600 homosexuality. I have also heard Andy Stanley use that term clobber passages, that these passages

00:56:17.880 are just used to clobber gay people. In the documentary, they, of course, say that Genesis

00:56:22.780 19, the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, Sodom, that's where we get the term, Sodomite. They argue that

00:56:30.020 their sin in Sodom and Gomorrah wasn't actually homosexuality, but it was actually a lack of

00:56:38.240 hospitality or it was actually a desire to rape had nothing to do with homosexuality, which is not

00:56:42.580 true. All you have to do is read the passage in Genesis 19. Also, again, Leviticus 18, 22,

00:56:48.560 you shall not lie with a man that's an abomination, Leviticus 20, 13. And then Romans 1, 26 through 27,

00:56:57.000 they say this is the clobber passage. However, they do not attempt to reinterpret this because that

00:57:02.160 word homosexuality isn't actually in Romans 1. And so the entire premise for their argument doesn't

00:57:08.560 even apply. So they just call it a clobber passage. They say this is what Romans

00:57:12.540 1, 26 through 27 says, which they just dismiss. For this reason, God gave them up to dishonorable

00:57:18.580 passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature.

00:57:23.400 And the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for

00:57:27.860 one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due

00:57:32.860 penalty for their error. So we don't even have any kind of translation issue there. They would just

00:57:38.640 have to back up into that verse and say, yeah, this probably had to do with some kind of pedophilia

00:57:43.420 or rape or some kind of system of power, oppressor versus oppressed. But we don't have any evidence

00:57:49.940 for that in this passage. It is very clear. We are talking about adult females. We are talking about

00:57:55.380 adult men that they had disordered passions because they worshiped the creature rather than the creator.

00:58:00.400 And because of their disordered loves, the rest of their lives were disordered as well. And we saw that

00:58:07.520 in their sexuality. That is Romans 1 is talking about. The Bible is not confusing pedophilia with

00:58:14.760 homosexuality. We actually see a guard against pedophilia in the very first chapter of the first

00:58:20.140 book of the Bible that God created them man and woman. The words that are used there denote that these

00:58:27.000 are adults. And we know that they're adults because they are also charged with being fruitful

00:58:31.820 and multiplying. So right there, we see that at the very least, a woman has to be of childbearing age

00:58:39.540 in order to fulfill one of the purposes of marriage, which is to have children. The Bible is not confused

00:58:47.200 about that. It is extremely clear that homosexuality is a forbidden kind of love, is a forbidden kind of

00:58:55.440 desire, is a forbidden kind of romantic interaction. And here's what I always go back to when I've

00:59:03.080 responded to the premise of this argument over and over again. Even if you were to take out every

00:59:09.480 single verse that prohibits homosexuality, even if you were to give in to this false idea that they were

00:59:15.280 misinterpreted and that the consensual relationship between two men or two women is not explicitly

00:59:22.620 forbidden throughout scripture, even if you were to say wrongly that that is the result of some kind

00:59:30.860 of political wedding between evangelicalism and republicanism, you are still left with how the Bible

00:59:39.340 positively defines marriage throughout scripture. There's only one way that the Bible positively

00:59:47.560 describes describes sexuality and marriage intimate relationships throughout scripture. And that is

00:59:54.260 between one man and one woman. That's it. So even if you don't look at any of the negative passages

01:00:02.020 towards homosexuality and you're only left with how God positively defines these things, that is the only

01:00:08.240 definition that you get. That is the only kind of marriage or sexual union that God calls holy. And I'll finish

01:00:16.340 with my alliteration that I've explained many times in just a second. Let me tell you about our last

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01:01:28.560 So here's the problem with these documentarians, with everyone who hold these positions. They want

01:01:36.460 to find a way to fit their sin into scripture. And so they are looking for every possible way that they

01:01:45.540 can get around the sanctification process. That they can try to subvert the call to deny ourselves,

01:01:52.820 take up our cross, and to follow Christ. I mean, just like everyone has at one point, they want to

01:01:58.600 try to be okay with their sin. They want to convince themselves that God is okay with their sins. And so

01:02:05.620 this is a valiant effort to try to redefine what God calls good and holy. And here's what I like

01:02:15.540 to remember. This is the alliteration. I think I first said it in 2019, and it's been really helpful

01:02:20.600 for me and hopefully to you guys as well to remember how God defines marriage, even if we

01:02:26.860 are to put away all of these so-called clobber passages and all of the questionable passages that

01:02:32.080 aren't really questionable at all. The definition of marriage as between one woman and one man is

01:02:39.140 rooted in creation. We see it in the very first chapter of the first book of the Bible. These

01:02:43.460 documentarians don't take issue with this, or they don't say they take issue with this. They don't

01:02:47.800 say that this was misinterpreted, but we see it right in Genesis 127, that God created man in his

01:02:53.760 own image and the image of God. He created him male and female. He created them and God blessed them.

01:02:59.600 And God said to them, be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it and have dominion over

01:03:05.080 the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the

01:03:10.060 earth. Then we've got Genesis 2, 24, a man shall leave his father and mother, hold fast to his wife.

01:03:16.300 The two shall become one flesh rooted in creation, reiterated throughout scripture. And so again,

01:03:24.620 we see in Genesis 2, we see in the 10 commandments that you are to honor your father and mother,

01:03:29.720 not just your parents, not just the grownups in your home. These are not arbitrary distinctions.

01:03:34.860 These are sex distinct distinctions. Your father and mother, husband and wife, man and woman. All of

01:03:43.180 these are very specifically and purposely defined and reiterated throughout scripture. So rooted in

01:03:49.560 creation, reiterated throughout scripture, repeated by Jesus himself. We already read Matthew 19, 4 through

01:03:56.120 5. So he goes back to creation in response to a question about divorce. He goes back to the definition

01:04:03.900 of marriage itself, the reality of the gender binary and its purpose, not just physically, but also

01:04:09.840 spiritually, which brings us to its spiritual significance, representative of Christ and the

01:04:16.680 church. And this is an incredible passage that we read in Ephesians 5, specifically Ephesians 5, 22 through

01:04:24.000 33, where Paul says, I know that this mystery is profound, but I am saying that this refers to Christ and the

01:04:31.880 church. So just as the church is to submit to Christ and Christ takes care of and sanctifies the church.

01:04:39.680 So the wife is to submit to her husband and the husband is to care for and help make holy and sanctify

01:04:50.200 his wife. And that reality that the earthly bond between one man and one woman signifies, represents the

01:05:00.940 eternal marriage between Christ and the church shows how deep and purposeful and profound those gender

01:05:07.700 distinctions are. That submission and headship dichotomy that is supposed to reflect Christ and

01:05:14.680 the church cannot be reflected between two men or two women. This also bucks up against their entire

01:05:21.220 egalitarian idea that men and women are all called to the exact same things. And then as it is representative

01:05:28.720 of Christ and the church, it is reflective of the gospel. The Bible starts with a marriage between man and

01:05:36.800 woman. It ends with a marriage between Christ and his church. That's how important the definition of

01:05:42.920 marriage is. Nowhere in scripture do we see homosexual unions or gender bending of any kind described in a

01:05:51.940 positive way. And all of the negative passages about these relationships or about this behavior

01:06:01.600 are not coincidentally the ones that these people take issue with. But listen, if you love God, you are

01:06:08.860 not just reading the Bible asking, what can I get away with? You are reading the Bible asking, how can I

01:06:15.440 glorify God the most? How can I most closely align my life to what he says is good and right and positive

01:06:23.760 and holy? And that's not the mentality that these people have because, and I don't think that this is

01:06:30.320 difficult to say. I don't think this should be controversial. These people don't love God. They don't

01:06:36.060 serve the God of scripture. They serve the God of self. And the God of self is a very cruel God.

01:06:41.780 And it wants you to sacrifice everything on its altar. It wants you to sacrifice all that God says

01:06:51.800 is good, right, and holy on its altar. It will do whatever it can to get what it wants. And it leads

01:06:58.640 people to hell. This documentary absolutely will play a role in further enslaving and oppressing people

01:07:05.620 in their sin. Look, no matter what you feel your orientation is or your identity is or your feelings

01:07:11.900 are, God does love you. And he sent his son to die for you. And you are no worse than me. You are no

01:07:18.600 further off than any of us were before we came to Christ. God's grace is for you. It can transform you.

01:07:25.760 It can release you from the power of your sin, the addiction that you have to lust or whatever it is in

01:07:32.500 your life that you feel like you can't escape from. God has the power to release you from that.

01:07:38.260 His redemption is also for you. So I encourage you, buy you an ESV study Bible, really read it,

01:07:45.380 join a local Bible preaching, Bible believing, Bible teaching church, and get plugged in and taste and

01:07:52.860 see that the Lord is really good. And he's not good because he allows us to do whatever we want,

01:07:57.760 but he is, he is good because he is the satisfaction that you are trying and failing to find everywhere

01:08:04.580 else. So that's the good news. Not that God is okay with your sin because he's not. I thank the

01:08:10.160 Lord for that because sin is bad for us and it leads us to hell and it separates us from God.

01:08:14.820 All right. That's all we've got time for today, guys. We will be back here tomorrow.

01:08:27.760 All right.

01:08:32.560 All right.

01:08:35.320 All right.

01:08:39.440 Bye.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - March 10, 2025

Ep 1153 ｜ The Men on 'Love Is Blind' Need to Stop Compromising

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