Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1159 ｜ Nicole Shanahan on Christianity, Vaccines & the Lies of Leftism

00:00:00.760 Nicole Shanahan was RFK Jr.'s running mate, and she is here today to tell me about her

00:00:07.600 journey to faith in Christ.

00:00:10.320 We will talk about her baptism, but also her political evolution.

00:00:15.000 She went from being in the thick of what she calls the tech wife mafia, that very progressive 0.99

00:00:21.320 world, to a place of questioning progressive ideology altogether.

00:00:26.700 This was a fascinating, very wide-ranging, very personal, and sometimes emotional conversation,

00:00:34.480 and you guys are going to get so much out of it.

00:00:36.700 So without further ado, here is Nicole.

00:00:47.860 Nicole, thanks so much for taking the time to join me.

00:00:51.180 This is not my usual backdrop.

00:00:53.100 I love it.

00:00:53.920 It's so beautiful.

00:00:54.680 Well, I've been so excited to talk to you, and really kind of what sealed the deal for

00:01:01.200 me.

00:01:01.320 I was like, I've got to talk to her, was when you posted the video of your baptism, of your

00:01:06.620 testimony.

00:01:07.500 And we won't get into all of that right now.

00:01:09.480 We'll build up to it.

00:01:10.980 But can you tell me what it was like leading up to that moment before you decided to share

00:01:14.940 it publicly?

00:01:16.660 Oh, yeah.

00:01:17.440 Well, first of all, it's a pleasure for me to be here with you.

00:01:20.340 I've read your book, Toxic Empathy.

00:01:22.080 Thank you.

00:01:22.420 It's an incredible book that I'd recommend to – I am recommending to all of my friends,

00:01:27.800 progressive or conservative.

00:01:30.060 Most of my friends are progressive.

00:01:31.480 Thank you.

00:01:31.680 But I think it's such a good read for progressives as well.

00:01:34.840 I think.

00:01:35.140 But yeah, to answer your question about my baptism, and then I actually wrote an essay about it

00:01:43.580 and posted some pictures.

00:01:45.020 The lead up to it was I wanted – I'm in this constant pursuit of trying to share some

00:01:56.740 very big lessons that I think many people can relate to.

00:02:00.580 Lessons from being a lifelong Democrat, leaving the party, realizing that this is bigger than

00:02:09.080 politics, that we've got something happening globally, really as it relates to the spirit

00:02:15.120 of humanity and the spirit of what it means to actually truly be human.

00:02:19.500 And so part of my journey to my baptism was really challenging and painful.

00:02:29.480 There were a lot of things that happened that were shocking.

00:02:33.140 There were things that happened when I was on the campaign trail with RFK that were just

00:02:36.580 unexplainable.

00:02:37.560 My – I developed a relationship with God.

00:02:42.380 I'd always believed in God since I was a little girl.

00:02:44.480 Yeah.

00:02:45.000 But my relationship with God evolved at a rate that I think only a U.S. presidential campaign

00:02:52.860 that can evolve in.

00:02:53.920 You know, it's – you are getting put through the fire.

00:02:58.100 Everyone's looking at everything you do all the time, and it really makes you feel exposed

00:03:03.420 in a way that you really start having this interpersonal – I started having a really

00:03:10.360 interpersonal relationship with God.

00:03:12.140 Yeah.

00:03:12.800 Just through the feeling that you needed to pray?

00:03:16.480 I needed to pray, and I needed to listen.

00:03:19.040 I needed to hear God's voice.

00:03:20.700 I needed guidance.

00:03:22.680 I – you know, you get put on your knees quite a bit, and this was no ordinary election.

00:03:30.300 Yeah.

00:03:30.560 So, you know, I toyed with the idea of going to President Trump's inauguration.

00:03:39.460 Lots of folks had invites for us.

00:03:43.140 I was, you know, even given an award by an organization, and, you know, all of the glitz

00:03:48.520 and glamour of it, it was very – my old self would have been very drawn to it.

00:03:55.000 But something happened to me last September, which I haven't really started to talk about,

00:04:02.480 but I'll share with you, you know, Jacob and I, we were – we got pregnant.

00:04:09.160 I got pregnant on the campaign trail unexpectedly, and I was 20 weeks pregnant.

00:04:14.780 Wow.

00:04:16.020 And I was starting – we were starting to taper down the campaign, and – but I wanted

00:04:23.420 to go out there for mothers, and so I really wanted to, like – I wanted to keep doing

00:04:27.520 more, even though my body was kind of like, you got to slow down, but I was right at that

00:04:31.380 very end.

00:04:32.320 And then I had wrapped an interview, actually, with Megyn Kelly, and that was the day that

00:04:37.680 I had my miscarriage, and it was – it was pretty far along.

00:04:43.780 It was really scary.

00:04:45.020 Yes.

00:04:45.660 Wow.

00:04:47.000 I almost lost my life.

00:04:48.860 Wow.

00:04:49.760 And I was at Stanford – actually, at 20 weeks, they take you to delivery.

00:04:57.960 And so I went into delivery, and it was just not a good situation, lost over four liters

00:05:07.840 of blood.

00:05:08.320 You only have four liters of blood, so I lost pretty much everything.

00:05:11.760 Oh, my goodness.

00:05:12.520 And pretty much was dying.

00:05:15.280 I was dying and was losing a baby, and it was just – it was very – it was a very scary

00:05:21.520 experience, but at the same time, you know, I was taken so close to the end, and I – you

00:05:29.780 could feel it.

00:05:30.620 I could feel it, right?

00:05:31.580 Like, I could feel –

00:05:32.480 Like, you could feel your life slipping from you?

00:05:35.460 Yeah.

00:05:36.180 I had lost so much blood, and they were – you know, I waited until – I wanted to save the

00:05:41.640 baby, so I waited to do the surgery.

00:05:44.120 I didn't want to – I didn't want to lose the baby.

00:05:46.740 And so I was like, just wait.

00:05:48.000 Maybe I'll stop.

00:05:48.640 So I waited, and I probably waited a little bit too long.

00:05:51.520 And so then came the transfusion, and then, you know, the kind of rushing into the OR,

00:05:59.880 and there was just – there's this moment where, like, I actually had peace.

00:06:06.880 Yeah.

00:06:07.780 Wow.

00:06:07.980 With this idea of going, and the chaplain came in, and, you know, you just don't know

00:06:15.420 if you're going to come out of surgery.

00:06:16.780 Right.

00:06:17.020 Um, so it was – it was a moment of, like, I want to live.

00:06:26.780 I'm going to fight.

00:06:27.480 I'm going to fight because I want to come back for my daughter, my six-year-old, and

00:06:31.820 I know she needs me.

00:06:33.000 And God, if, like, you want to bring me back, I'm going to give it my all.

00:06:38.660 And I'm going to – anyway, so – and I came back.

00:06:44.100 I woke up.

00:06:45.660 And I, like, couldn't believe it, but I woke up after surgery, and I had lost a little

00:06:50.420 girl, and we said goodbye before I went into surgery.

00:06:53.720 And, you know, waking up, I just was, like, you know, groggy because I was out.

00:07:02.040 And my first question was, like, do I have my uterus?

00:07:06.380 Yeah.

00:07:07.460 Because there was a chance I wasn't going to come out with my uterus. 0.89

00:07:10.700 Yeah.

00:07:10.800 And the nurse goes, do you have your uterus? 1.00

00:07:12.620 And I was, like, oh, thank God.

00:07:13.760 And I was, like – I was, like, and I'm alive.

00:07:17.420 She's, like, you're alive and everything looks good.

00:07:19.540 And I was, like, wow, I'm alive.

00:07:21.760 And my brother had flown in from Colorado, and I saw him in the hallway, and then I saw

00:07:31.200 Jacob in the hallway, and I was, like, all right, I'm here.

00:07:35.400 But so that was end of – that was the end of September.

00:07:38.240 It was actually on my 39th birthday.

00:07:40.620 Wow.

00:07:41.120 It's, like, a wild set of events.

00:07:44.600 Yes.

00:07:44.820 And, you know, the – so many strange things happened around that time that I just really – I saw, like – I saw some things that were just, like, in the strictly materialistic world don't make sense.

00:08:03.820 In the spiritual world, well-defined.

00:08:05.880 Yeah.

00:08:06.800 Yeah.

00:08:07.020 And anyway, so long story short, why did I decide to share my testimony of baptism?

00:08:15.240 I don't – I don't know what – you know, we don't know what God's plans are for us.

00:08:22.900 But after that experience, I can listen.

00:08:28.200 I hear – I hear the intention of what, like, God hopes for how I spend my time, right?

00:08:39.220 Mm-hmm.

00:08:39.460 And I'm more sensitive to that.

00:08:41.580 Mm-hmm.

00:08:42.240 And I want to do a good job with it, as I always have, but there's more guidance than there was once.

00:08:47.740 Mm-hmm.

00:08:48.220 And the desire to share – and the desire to actually get baptized instead of going out to D.C.

00:08:58.380 So your baptism was – was it on the same day as the inauguration?

00:09:01.940 The day before.

00:09:02.680 The day before.

00:09:03.460 The Sunday before.

00:09:04.380 Okay.

00:09:04.680 And then I decided to write it up and share it because I know that people are very spiritually lost right now, people that I know closest to me who may – might not understand exactly what it is that I'm doing with my life right now because they're just like – you know, is Nicole now like a right-wing Christian nationalist?

00:09:31.840 Because that's how progressives would explain such a thing.

00:09:35.520 But I'm not.

00:09:36.320 I'm actually exactly who I've always been with new life lessons that have empowered me to share.

00:09:44.120 With more clarity.

00:09:45.940 Yeah.

00:09:46.120 Can you talk about how in between your miscarriage and posting the baptism video, there were a few months there, and I know you said that you felt like you could understand the intentions of God more.

00:09:59.760 But can you talk specifically about – because you converted to Judaism a few years ago.

00:10:04.540 Over a decade ago.

00:10:05.720 Over – okay.

00:10:06.340 Over a decade ago.

00:10:07.660 And now you're a Christian.

00:10:09.160 So at what point did you realize, wow, this Jesus person is who he says he is, and Christianity is true? 0.97

00:10:18.680 Yeah.

00:10:19.000 I started paying more attention to Christianity a few months into the campaign.

00:10:30.180 For one, I started spending a lot of time with Zach Henry, who is – he helped launch Vivek, Ramaswamy's political career, and he was part of Vivek's team that I had interviewed when I decided to run for vice president.

00:10:46.780 Zach is an evangelical Christian from Texas.

00:10:51.280 Okay.

00:10:52.360 And Zach's presence and his love of the Bible and Jesus is one of the things that really changed me and my perspective of evangelicals.

00:11:09.280 And, again, I'm from Oakland.

00:11:11.840 I spent all my time in progressive circles. 0.57

00:11:15.360 And white Christian evangelical nationalists were destroying America, right? 0.94

00:11:22.240 And oftentimes painted as radicals who are unempathetic, love Trump or Trump sycophants, and are just – how do I – like non-intellectual, unintellectual. 0.98

00:11:45.180 Like all of these horrible – 0.77

00:11:47.620 Backwards, yeah.

00:11:48.540 Like that's backwards, like hateful, right?

00:11:54.080 Yeah.

00:11:54.160 Like mean and hateful.

00:11:55.780 And then here I am with Zach Henry, the first evangelical Christian in my life.

00:12:01.660 Wow.

00:12:01.960 And I'm like this guy is incredibly nice.

00:12:06.740 Yeah.

00:12:07.360 Also really smart, incredible tech savvy, one of the best writers I've ever met, learned my voice like within a few weeks, was able to like – we work together so well.

00:12:19.420 Probably one of the favorite people I've ever worked with.

00:12:21.920 Yeah.

00:12:22.160 And incredibly compassionate.

00:12:27.860 And so my biases all go out the window with Zach on evangelical Christianity.

00:12:34.680 Shout out Zach.

00:12:35.380 I don't know Zach, but good job Zach.

00:12:37.120 That's a great impression.

00:12:38.500 Yeah.

00:12:39.980 And, you know, like when you're on a campaign trail with a politician, you know, politicians, they have bad days too.

00:12:48.460 Yeah.

00:12:49.020 Probably some of the worst.

00:12:50.380 Mm-hmm.

00:12:51.320 I can imagine.

00:12:52.760 And Zach saw me on some pretty rough days and he had compassion.

00:12:57.580 He would walk – he would just kind of explain his political analysis, but he would do so from a place of just patience, but also his references.

00:13:11.140 He would include biblical references at times too.

00:13:14.780 And I'd be like that's a really interesting analogy.

00:13:17.000 And then I would like kind of go and like prod more and ask about some of these biblical references.

00:13:22.220 Because I'm aware of the Torah, but when you pair the Torah with the New Testament, something totally different happens.

00:13:30.000 And you've got now this expectation that you can be this great person.

00:13:41.640 That others – you can be genuinely great in your own body, but you can also create this experience for others around you of like this is the good and just thing to do.

00:13:53.520 And I think that example is what those who follow in the way of Christ and really think of Jesus as an individual.

00:14:03.400 This like really model individual.

00:14:06.460 They seek to create that atmosphere for others.

00:14:11.240 And it's that seeking of like I have modeled and studied a way of being that creates peace and harmony in this world and that is how I want to be.

00:14:24.680 And that is what Zach brought to our team consistently day after day.

00:14:30.120 Never a bad day almost.

00:14:33.000 Actually, I can't think of a bad day, you know.

00:14:36.620 Yeah.

00:14:36.880 But there is a sense of right and bad and when things were going bad, he would intervene and he would do so effectively without any hyperbole, without any like superfluous, unnecessary kind of emotions.

00:14:50.580 It was kind of always like the right emotion.

00:14:52.820 The right emotion brought to the right situation.

00:14:54.860 Yeah.

00:14:56.900 And people in my world will spend tens of thousands of dollars on therapy to get there.

00:15:03.080 Yeah.

00:15:03.420 That's true.

00:15:04.640 A lot of people do.

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00:16:38.720 So did you have a hard time believing at any point, like the core message of Christianity, not just that Jesus is a model for our lives, but that he is God, that he died for our sins, rose again, that he's the way to the Father?

00:17:02.040 Because I think a lot of people can kind of accept that Jesus was a good moral teacher, he was a good example, but this idea that we are sinners and that we need a Savior and that he is our sacrifice, did you have to kind of grapple with that at all?

00:17:18.660 Oh, yeah.

00:17:19.260 I think about it a lot every single day because it's a completely different way of existing.

00:17:26.120 It's this way – and so I talk about it in my baptism story, Diane Robinson, who came into my life in the weeks – in the week after I came out of the hospital.

00:17:42.760 So that first week of October, 2024, I meet Diane Robinson, who is the lead chaplain at Santa Rita Jail, and I was introduced to her actually through my masseuse, who's a devout Christian, very kind man, and has become a good friend of mine.

00:18:01.960 And so she comes because she was told that I had had this horrible miscarriage, I had almost lost my life, and I was pretty shaken that next week.

00:18:16.340 You know, first of all, my milk came in, and then you have no baby.

00:18:19.940 Yeah.

00:18:20.220 Your milk comes in.

00:18:21.120 My gosh.

00:18:21.460 That's one of the worst feelings in the world.

00:18:23.320 And all the hormones that come with post-delivery but without the baby to kind of make it better, that's so hard.

00:18:29.900 Yeah.

00:18:31.120 Yeah.

00:18:31.520 And, you know, my life in many ways is, like, in such incredible discord.

00:18:39.080 Like, I have an ex-husband that I'm in a custody battle with because he doesn't believe autism is biomedical.

00:18:46.220 And so it's like I have all these, like, really big things that I'm fighting for nationally.

00:18:53.000 Yes.

00:18:53.600 And in many ways for the world to see.

00:18:55.680 It's like they see bits and pieces of it, but, like, you know, what happens in my personal life oftentimes is, like, a microcosm of something that's happening on the national stage or bigger.

00:19:07.840 And so, you know, I get home from losing my child, realizing I have this, like, weird blood clotting issue, probably a vaccine injury from the mRNA because that's one of the things that happens.

00:19:22.040 And knowing that, like, like, my situation is not unique.

00:19:25.880 There are many women that are having horrible miscarriages all over this country right now. 1.00

00:19:30.060 So, you know, we have terrible maternal mortality issues.

00:19:38.020 I mean, I'm lucky to be alive.

00:19:39.320 I have the best in class doctors.

00:19:41.480 But I know a lot of women don't make it out of that. 1.00

00:19:43.820 So then I, like, come home and, you know, my daughter now has to go to her dad's house and I, like, I miss her.

00:19:53.820 It's just the amount of discord.

00:19:56.820 So Diane Robinson comes to my life. 0.89

00:19:58.420 She opens the Bible in front of me.

00:20:00.720 And she goes to the verses where she's, like, you need to think about Jesus' blood.

00:20:07.720 Like, the blood of Christ.

00:20:12.080 And I'm, like, what the hell is she talking about?

00:20:14.500 Like, what is she talking about?

00:20:16.100 Yeah.

00:20:16.500 Like, all I can think about is the four liters of blood I lost and the transfusion I had and, like, how I'm, like, full of all these other people.

00:20:22.700 Like, the last thing I want to think about is blood right now.

00:20:24.960 Yeah.

00:20:26.220 And so she's, she's, like, no, you don't.

00:20:29.460 You have to understand the power of Jesus' blood because it's a covenant.

00:20:34.940 And that covenant is the most sacred covenant.

00:20:41.780 And, like, you know, I've heard these terms and these terms, they don't really fully make sense until you realize that, like, the world that we are inhabiting right now is so full of pain.

00:20:59.500 And my world was so full of pain in that moment.

00:21:02.240 And it's still, you know, there's still pain.

00:21:05.780 There's so much pain.

00:21:07.480 But to know that you're not alone, that, like, Jesus' blood was shed for us humans in this world of pure discord so that we know our souls belong to him.

00:21:35.340 And our souls belong to God and that God loves us so deeply that even in our moment of pain and death, we actually can know 100% without any doubt that, like, we are in God's kingdom.

00:21:53.720 Like, we are in God's kingdom as we live and breathe and as we retire our bodies.

00:22:01.500 And it's really funny hearing myself say this because I've heard other people say this before and it didn't, it made, it made no sense to me.

00:22:08.900 It, like, I kind of got it.

00:22:10.060 I was like, that's really nice.

00:22:11.380 Yeah.

00:22:11.620 But to actually now have, like, it's almost like God was like, you still don't get it, do you?

00:22:18.160 Yeah.

00:22:18.560 Like, okay, let's take you a little further.

00:22:20.840 Yeah.

00:22:21.080 And I don't know if that's the case, but I will say that there's this sense of waking and breathing every day now that it's, like, I know from moment to moment, even when I'm on my knees, God loves me.

00:22:38.360 Mm-hmm.

00:22:38.780 That, like, when there is temptation in front of me, I don't have to be scared.

00:22:50.740 Yeah.

00:22:51.100 Right?

00:22:51.540 Like, if there is a situation of, like, doing right or kind of right or shadowy right, just do the right thing.

00:22:58.280 Mm-hmm.

00:22:58.880 You know, and if people criticize me or take me, you know, like, publish slander about me all over the press or even threaten to take my child away from me, I will do the right thing.

00:23:12.380 Wow.

00:23:13.280 Right?

00:23:14.260 Because God loves me.

00:23:16.540 Yeah.

00:23:17.500 Yeah.

00:23:18.180 And he loves my little girl.

00:23:20.440 It's a game changer.

00:23:21.680 It's a game changer.

00:23:23.000 Yeah.

00:23:23.240 So we're kind of, like, working backwards, which I love because I want to talk about – I'm sure that your political awakening or the changes in your political worldview also, like, played a part in your, like, theological and spiritual awakening too.

00:23:40.540 Yeah.

00:23:40.820 And so let's back up a little bit.

00:23:42.980 Let's talk a bit more about the campaign.

00:23:45.320 I mean, you spoke of some just, like, really dark moments of seeing the very clear dichotomy of good and evil when you were up close and personal in the world of politics.

00:23:55.820 Can you talk about that more?

00:23:57.760 Yeah.

00:23:58.300 Yeah.

00:23:58.620 I saw people turn their backs on me so quickly, people that I had given money to who came to me because they were like, you know, Nicole, I want to help.

00:24:10.400 You know, and it's, like, these are people who came to me and I helped every single time.

00:24:18.020 Yeah.

00:24:18.480 You know, I've always believed that the purpose of wealth is to help those in need.

00:24:23.180 And I would show up every single time.

00:24:26.860 You know, mothers that I would give my daughter's baby clothes to, you know, kids whose birthdays I helped celebrate during the pandemic because they couldn't, you know, have birthdays.

00:24:41.200 A woman who wanted to buy the first Afro-Indigenous farm in Sonoma, like, no problem. 1.00

00:24:50.440 Indigenous women who are like, we need money to get this movie published on land back. 1.00

00:24:57.020 And I'm like, yes, you know, like, you deserve sovereignty and agency.

00:25:01.140 I'm going to help you.

00:25:02.260 They all systemically turned their back on me.

00:25:05.320 Wow.

00:25:06.400 Publicly?

00:25:07.620 Some publicly, anonymously.

00:25:11.360 But no, like, you know, stopped hearing from them, you know, in my time of need when I was getting ripped apart by the press.

00:25:19.740 Nothing.

00:25:20.460 Yeah.

00:25:21.260 Nothing.

00:25:21.800 None of them came out to say, actually, even if I disagree with Nicole, she's a great person.

00:25:26.560 Yeah.

00:25:27.360 Wow.

00:25:27.980 Yeah.

00:25:28.280 That hurts.

00:25:29.660 That hurts beyond just the press slamming you because those are people that you know.

00:25:34.860 That hurts way deeper.

00:25:36.220 Yeah.

00:25:36.640 It hurts way deeper.

00:25:37.460 My closest, closest friends, there's four of them, they stuck with me.

00:25:42.160 They're confused by my journey, but they are good friends.

00:25:45.360 Yeah.

00:25:45.720 But a lot of the people that in my foundation world, two people that were on my foundation

00:25:52.420 board resigned, you know, it was, it was just, it was really tough.

00:25:59.440 But I understood it.

00:26:00.820 But it was kind of just, like, bewildering to me because it was not like I came out for

00:26:06.340 Trump, like, overnight.

00:26:08.300 It was a process.

00:26:09.500 Yeah.

00:26:09.540 And I was very public and transparent about what that process looked like.

00:26:14.600 And my platform never shifted.

00:26:18.560 Mm-hmm.

00:26:18.860 My platform has always been around agriculture, mothers, health, children, you know, let's

00:26:27.140 get to the bottom of chronic disease.

00:26:28.820 It's always stayed the same.

00:26:30.640 Mm-hmm.

00:26:30.980 So I saw a lot of fickleness in a lot of really powerful people and of people that, you know,

00:26:39.480 really, I don't know what they felt they had to lose, but, like, the amount of fickleness

00:26:44.920 in the face of such great, I mean, we're in the middle of a war against loss, a great deal

00:26:57.860 of loss, like, we're losing children, we're losing motherhood, we're losing agriculture

00:27:05.000 and food, and our policies are absolutely disastrous.

00:27:08.860 Mm-hmm.

00:27:10.620 And so I think, you know, but I am at a point where even before I almost died in September,

00:27:20.880 I was at a point I was like, we have to do the right thing, guys.

00:27:25.180 Like, come on, like, this should be obvious, this is beyond politics, like, let's, this

00:27:31.140 is beyond parties, like, let's really focus on the issues at hand and, like, let's get

00:27:36.940 to the bottom of it.

00:27:38.380 And then I started discovering things that were labeled right-wing conspiracy theories

00:27:44.440 that ended up, I found quite a bit of evidence to support it.

00:27:49.220 Like what?

00:27:49.760 Well, you know, the idea that the mRNA vaccine is causing infertility, right?

00:27:59.300 Yeah.

00:27:59.520 And the conspiracy theory was that it was a depopulation, you know, program.

00:28:04.540 Well, it actually has caused depopulation.

00:28:07.000 Whether or not it was intentional, we'll find out.

00:28:09.500 Yeah.

00:28:09.720 But, like, there were many people calling that out for a greater part of the last two

00:28:15.620 years.

00:28:17.020 And it was all labeled a conspiracy theory.

00:28:20.600 Yeah.

00:28:20.900 The fact that Fauci knew some of the risks of the vaccine.

00:28:27.080 That the COVID vaccine has the potential to cause infertility in women.

00:28:31.580 Yeah.

00:28:32.240 And because a lot of people were saying at the time, it's, you know, it's affecting my

00:28:36.300 period.

00:28:36.780 It's affecting the period of people around me.

00:28:39.440 And I didn't get the vaccine.

00:28:41.400 But I remember listening to a podcast at the time that basically dispelled that as a total

00:28:46.420 myth that it can't happen, that there's nothing even in the nature of mRNA that could possibly

00:28:51.500 do that.

00:28:52.500 And yet all of these women were saying the same thing.

00:28:55.080 I'm like, at some point, it's like patterns mean something, right?

00:28:59.660 Yeah.

00:29:00.000 Where, you know, and so the systemic dismissal of that by especially the mainstream media

00:29:07.260 and then friends of mine still towing the party line that, like, it's safe and effective.

00:29:15.660 That it still saved more lives than it destroyed.

00:29:19.240 Right?

00:29:20.400 And then it just...

00:29:21.660 And we don't really know that.

00:29:23.220 We actually, I think, know for certain that's not the case.

00:29:26.860 Really?

00:29:27.080 That it has destroyed far more lives than it has saved.

00:29:30.500 And that there were treatments...

00:29:31.520 The vaccine itself?

00:29:32.280 The vaccine itself.

00:29:32.960 Okay.

00:29:33.240 So not even just the vaccine mandates.

00:29:34.800 You believe that the vaccine itself has hurt more people than it's helped?

00:29:38.340 I think pretty conclusively it hurt more people than it helped.

00:29:41.980 And especially in light of the fact that there were treatments available for COVID that were

00:29:48.920 effective at the time.

00:29:50.620 And that the COVID-19 vaccine doesn't stop transmission.

00:29:54.540 Mm-hmm.

00:29:55.660 So...

00:29:56.140 And they said that it would.

00:29:58.160 And that's like one of the highlights of the RFK campaign when he was like, can I play?

00:30:03.340 Can I play it for...

00:30:04.120 I think it was Howard Stern when he was like, can I play when, you know, Fauci and Manow and

00:30:08.940 all those people said that you wouldn't get COVID, you wouldn't transmit COVID if you got

00:30:12.700 the vaccine?

00:30:13.640 Yeah.

00:30:13.860 And I don't think they played the series, but he was obviously right about that.

00:30:17.120 They said something that wasn't true.

00:30:18.860 Yeah.

00:30:19.100 All right.

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00:31:01.540 Another example, which crosses over with your work, Allie, is I was such a planned parenthood,

00:31:11.820 freedom of choice, maximalist.

00:31:19.600 And there was, prior to joining politics, I couldn't see anything negative to Planned Parenthood

00:31:29.220 and what it represented and what it stood for.

00:31:31.540 Because since I was a little girl, the women's movement was always around abortion and the 1.00

00:31:39.020 freedom to choose and bodily autonomy.

00:31:41.360 And I, and I, and I, and that was one that even like months in was, was something that I, I, I, it was, I couldn't imagine ever being pro-life, right?

00:32:00.700 Or, or, or understanding pro, pro, pro, the pro-life perspective.

00:32:05.460 And, and, and, and, you know, my liberal brain is like, oh, whatever, you know, like there, there, it's just this liberal, liberal progressive brain is always like, okay, always prioritize minorities.

00:32:29.960 Like always prioritize minority opinions, minority nonprofits, you know, X, Y, and Z, like, and so Angela comes to me and of course I'm like, yes, you know, what do you need me to do?

00:32:43.300 I'll do anything.

00:32:44.600 And, and, and we had her working on black voter outreach and she's like, we are going to Texas and we are going to a maternity home.

00:32:55.800 And we are going to meet the babies that were saved from abortion, the black babies that were saved from abortion. 0.54

00:33:02.100 Wow.

00:33:03.000 And I'm like, yes, okay, let's do it.

00:33:06.760 And, um, it's my first time.

00:33:09.660 It was my first time going to such a home.

00:33:12.200 And I got to hold this little baby boy,

00:33:17.440 the cutest guy, um, ever.

00:33:20.420 I mean, I just like, and I just like held him.

00:33:22.620 I was like, I was like, this is a, you know, you don't even think about pro choice.

00:33:28.220 You're just holding this child and you're like, I just love this child.

00:33:31.320 So, and it's not political.

00:33:33.780 And you're like, why did this get so political?

00:33:36.620 And so it was the first time I kind of paused and said to myself, you know,

00:33:40.820 I put all of this time into helping people get abortions.

00:33:44.580 And then I looked around and I was like, I didn't help a single mother keep her baby. 0.99

00:33:50.800 And how dare I?

00:33:53.100 How, like, where, like, how dare, like, I am a smart woman who is thoughtful.

00:33:58.780 But how did I miss that?

00:34:00.840 In all of my philanthropic work, working with the black community,

00:34:04.640 how did I miss that one?

00:34:07.060 This is an important one.

00:34:08.940 Yeah.

00:34:09.120 And so it was the first time that I kind of, like, paused and asked myself, like,

00:34:16.060 is, you know, I, I, and I wasn't pro-life yet.

00:34:20.440 I hadn't announced that I was pro-life.

00:34:22.140 I was like, I'm definitely pro-choice.

00:34:24.380 But if you work in pro-choice, you need to equally divide your funds

00:34:29.340 between the choice to keep your child and the choice not to.

00:34:33.820 And why would I only be treating pro-choice as abortion?

00:34:37.740 Yeah.

00:34:38.040 Like, how is pro-choice equated to abortion automatically and 100% of the time?

00:34:42.940 Yeah.

00:34:43.240 That doesn't make any sense to me.

00:34:44.880 Mm-hmm.

00:34:45.680 I really didn't get it.

00:34:48.420 And, and so that was the first time that I, idea shook in my mind.

00:34:54.980 Yeah.

00:34:55.320 And gave way to space that, like, something else is happening.

00:35:00.720 Yeah.

00:35:01.000 And that happened many, many, many more times along the campaign trail that these highly

00:35:06.860 politicized campaign slogans were actually being programmed into people to be absolutists.

00:35:15.380 Mm-hmm.

00:35:15.680 And when, and if your version of pro-choice is 100% focused on abortion and not the choice

00:35:24.780 of a mother to keep her baby due to economic reasons, then you are being programmed by something

00:35:31.960 very dark.

00:35:32.900 Mm-hmm.

00:35:33.260 And so that's when I realized there's something very dark here.

00:35:36.380 Yeah.

00:35:36.740 Why is this so dark?

00:35:38.160 Mm-hmm.

00:35:39.040 And why, and then I started seeing the celebrations of abortion, that it was being celebrated.

00:35:45.120 And, and even like my, you know, campaign partner, Bobby Kennedy, is like every abortion is a tragedy.

00:35:52.500 And then you see these women celebrating abortion and, and not a tear shed.

00:36:00.100 And, and I found that to be very confusing.

00:36:04.400 Um, and then I looked a little deeper at it.

00:36:07.120 And because now I had my absolutist blinders off, right, I could just see through critical

00:36:13.320 thinking.

00:36:14.920 Um, there's something wrong here.

00:36:17.300 There is something fundamentally anti-human and wrong about celebrating abortions. 0.95

00:36:23.880 Yeah. 0.98

00:36:24.640 It's disgusting. 0.67

00:36:26.340 Mm-hmm. 0.77

00:36:27.080 And, um, there's a difference between fighting for the right to choose and having that be still

00:36:33.920 a tragedy, right?

00:36:35.900 Because it is.

00:36:36.800 Abortions are absolute tragedies.

00:36:38.900 To what it has become, which is a jingle for a very dark cause.

00:36:49.140 Mm-hmm.

00:36:49.440 Um, and it's the same thing that I see with the, there's like all of these animal slaughters

00:36:55.700 happening, 150 million chickens slaughtered, cattle, um, that, you know, are being threatened

00:37:03.760 to, to be cold next, um, vaccines that are making women infertile, um, vaccines that are

00:37:12.080 in, in some cases killing children and having that be brushed aside as like a necessary evil.

00:37:20.020 This idea of like a necessary evil.

00:37:22.940 Yeah.

00:37:24.460 You know, unless you subscribe to that, you're somehow anti-science now.

00:37:28.680 Yeah.

00:37:28.960 No, we can do better.

00:37:31.360 Yeah.

00:37:31.460 We are a smart community of individuals.

00:37:34.300 We have screening technologies.

00:37:36.240 Mm-hmm.

00:37:36.740 We can create whole profiles of at-risk individuals.

00:37:41.860 Why is this absolutist thinking dominating?

00:37:45.540 Yeah.

00:37:46.560 Why are there, why are the necessary evils so dominant?

00:37:51.980 Yeah.

00:37:53.060 There's something wrong.

00:37:54.880 Mm-hmm.

00:37:55.300 I love your, um, your explanation of how your mind changed on abortion.

00:38:01.620 I speak to lots of pregnancy centers across the country, and I still remember speaking

00:38:07.780 at a banquet, at a fundraiser for a pregnancy center in Houston.

00:38:11.640 I think it's one of the biggest pregnancy centers in the country, and it's run by this 1.00

00:38:15.020 super strong Christian Black woman. 0.94

00:38:17.380 Again, you, you know, most, she would say this, most Black women vote Democrat, and a lot 1.00

00:38:22.720 of them are pro-choice.

00:38:23.960 She's, like, adamantly pro-life, helping our community so much.

00:38:27.060 But a moment that just sticks out to me in, like, my own pro-life journey was when she

00:38:32.420 asked this table of young women to stand up. 0.87

00:38:35.120 And I turned around, and all of these young women were holding these little babies. 0.95

00:38:38.940 And she said, all of those eight women had their babies this year because they took the 1.00

00:38:44.500 abortion reversal pill in our pregnancy center.

00:38:48.860 And that just, like, as someone who has been pro-life, that even further just humanized the

00:38:54.980 work that these pregnancy centers are doing.

00:38:57.820 Wow.

00:38:58.180 Like, I hear so much from the pro-choice, or I say pro-abortion side because of the kind

00:39:02.320 of the case that you just laid out that, well, we need to be doing more for mothers.

00:39:06.840 And I agree.

00:39:07.500 Like, we should be.

00:39:08.240 There's a lot that can be done.

00:39:09.660 But the truth is, is that a lot of these pregnancy centers are doing that work.

00:39:13.740 And if you really think we should be doing more for mothers, like, I've never met a 1.00

00:39:18.680 pro-choice person who will also volunteer at the local pregnancy center and talk to the

00:39:24.000 woman about what she's going through, and maybe parenting is an option for her.

00:39:27.960 In fact, a lot of those women in pregnancy centers are turned away from Planned Parenthood

00:39:31.500 because they don't want to tell the woman about how to parent or how to put their child

00:39:36.480 up for adoption.

00:39:37.560 They don't want to talk to them about that.

00:39:39.460 And so really, like, if you want to look at the side who is giving a real choice to

00:39:44.600 women, it's the pro-life side that says, hey, you can do this, and we will be here 1.00

00:39:50.600 for you.

00:39:51.580 But you're right.

00:39:52.500 I mean, it is really now, it's such a light versus darkness issue to me.

00:39:57.740 I mean, the pro-abortion side just lies and uses euphemisms to try to trap you into believing

00:40:03.320 their side.

00:40:04.560 And that's, I mean, that's as dark as it gets when you're talking about human baby life

00:40:08.580 that's on the line.

00:40:10.040 I have to agree.

00:40:11.920 And I, you know, your book did such a good job talking about the history of abortion.

00:40:20.080 And it's really interesting because you talk about the eugenics movement, which I have before

00:40:29.920 even relating it to the history of abortion, which I wasn't even aware of.

00:40:35.400 Yeah.

00:40:36.080 It's a straight line.

00:40:36.920 It's all connected.

00:40:37.480 Oh, yeah.

00:40:38.500 I was already rallying against the eugenics movement as it related to where genomics has

00:40:45.300 gone and how abused genomics, I mean, how certain organizations treat genomics as this cure-all

00:40:57.840 to all diseases such that they're willing to now use CRISPR on humans.

00:41:03.560 What is that?

00:41:04.220 CRISPR?

00:41:05.360 CRISPR is a protein-based gene editing therapy where you can use a protein effectively to

00:41:19.140 snip DNA and then replace it with different DNA.

00:41:24.100 Okay.

00:41:25.040 That's above my scientific understanding.

00:41:27.740 But you're saying that they're doing this in nefarious ways.

00:41:31.560 Well, it ends up being something that I think is worth looking at through a moral lens.

00:41:40.500 Yeah.

00:41:40.740 Because, you know, I first came across CRISPR and I was like, CRISPR is amazing.

00:41:49.340 We can solve all of these diseases with CRISPR by just changing the DNA.

00:41:54.080 And then I realized that there was something more happening and I found it through my work

00:41:59.580 in women's fertility. 1.00

00:42:00.700 I'm the largest donor in women's reproductive longevity.

00:42:06.060 I actually helped create the field.

00:42:07.920 The field didn't exist in longevity medicine until I came along and I said, I'm going to

00:42:13.100 put $100 million into women's reproductive longevity.

00:42:15.920 Well, the first big battle I had was when there was a group that was trying to create eggs out

00:42:25.540 of skin cells.

00:42:27.620 I just heard about this.

00:42:29.980 So this is not new.

00:42:30.980 I just heard that they're trying to do this.

00:42:33.740 Yeah.

00:42:34.480 And if you think about what they're doing and they're doing it under the guise of women's 0.97

00:42:43.780 health, I don't understand how creating zygotes in a lab is women's health. 1.00

00:42:49.180 Yeah.

00:42:49.900 But that was the first group that kind of tried to infiltrate the reproductive longevity movement

00:42:56.840 that I was working so hard to create.

00:42:58.360 And when you say reproductive longevity, do you mean the ability to have babies longer

00:43:01.900 in life?

00:43:03.020 For healthy women to stay healthy enough so that they can have a baby when they want. 1.00

00:43:08.360 Okay.

00:43:08.900 Within a reasonable amount of time.

00:43:10.440 But we now have women in their 20s that are having fertility issues. 1.00

00:43:14.400 We have women in their 30s with serious fertility issues. 1.00

00:43:18.640 And then now we have more women wanting to have babies in their early 40s who can't. 1.00

00:43:22.820 Mm-hmm.

00:43:23.960 Or who are told by IVF clinics that they can't.

00:43:26.940 Mm-hmm.

00:43:27.980 So that to me was something that was an unaddressed need in society.

00:43:33.580 And I was like, I, as a person with wealth who feels a great deal of responsibility to

00:43:39.400 do the right thing with their wealth, I'm going to come in and I'm going to help fund

00:43:44.180 the science into what is now being coined as regenerative women's health. 0.72

00:43:48.980 Mm-hmm.

00:43:49.300 So how do you take a woman who is facing all kinds of health challenges, which is going 1.00

00:43:53.800 to show up as infertility often, and how do you address those underlying health issues

00:43:58.480 and bring that woman's fertility back so that they can conceive naturally, carry naturally, 0.99

00:44:06.320 and have a healthy pregnancy, and then give birth to a healthy child?

00:44:12.160 Right.

00:44:12.440 Um, and you'd think every feminist in the world would be on board with this. 1.00

00:44:17.180 Yeah.

00:44:18.420 But we see a bunch of now the feminists go towards IVF, right? 1.00

00:44:23.880 And if you're a progressive feminist, your version of fertility treatment is IVF. 1.00

00:44:29.880 And surrogacy.

00:44:31.080 And now surrogacy.

00:44:32.660 And what comes with that as well is now artificial zygote creation, zygote selection, and, um,

00:44:42.440 editing.

00:44:43.300 Yeah.

00:44:43.660 Lab-based editing.

00:44:45.380 Which is all eugenics. 0.99

00:44:46.760 Which is the dream of eugenics. 1.00

00:44:48.860 Wow.

00:44:50.040 That has been the vision of eugenics. 1.00

00:44:52.500 So I'm reading your book and I'm like, holy cow, the eugenicists were behind Planned Parenthood 1.00

00:44:57.140 too?

00:44:57.820 Yeah.

00:44:58.700 And, and they've taken over the entire women's liberty movement. 1.00

00:45:03.700 Mm-hmm.

00:45:05.060 I'm like, oh, we're in trouble.

00:45:07.740 And this feels very dark.

00:45:09.200 This feels very, very dark to me.

00:45:11.360 And it feels very scary and very sad.

00:45:14.400 Yeah.

00:45:14.920 Not a lot of people on the progressive side, or I would say even in the middle, or even

00:45:20.620 on the right, will talk about IVF and some of the ethical problems with IVF and surrogacy.

00:45:26.460 No, many people cheered when Trump said he was going to pay for IVF.

00:45:30.360 Oh, yeah.

00:45:31.220 Okay.

00:45:31.460 So people know, I've talked about it a lot, people know my, you know, Christian conservative

00:45:35.660 perspective on it and why I'm against it.

00:45:39.140 And obviously you're a Christian too, and we share a lot of the same political views

00:45:42.780 as well.

00:45:43.160 But you're coming at it from a little bit of a different angle than I am.

00:45:47.280 I think you understand a lot of the technology behind it, you know, even better than I do.

00:45:51.600 But how I've heard you talk about it is different than how I've talked about it.

00:45:54.480 So can you tell us why you're kind of like trying to sound alarm bells about this?

00:45:58.380 I think there's a big risk in, and I come at it strictly scientifically, the scientific

00:46:05.980 definition, one of the scientific definitions of extinction is the inability to naturally procreate.

00:46:12.920 So like English bulldogs, they cannot naturally procreate without assistance.

00:46:21.080 I did not know that.

00:46:22.020 Yeah.

00:46:22.620 Okay.

00:46:22.880 So if you let English bulldogs have at it, they will not survive as a species likely.

00:46:30.660 Okay.

00:46:31.080 Right?

00:46:32.160 They will go extinct.

00:46:34.100 Such is true of any species, including the human species.

00:46:39.280 So I'm looking at it from the peer view of the human species is going extinct because

00:46:45.600 we are not able to conceive without intervention.

00:46:49.620 And IVF is that intervention.

00:46:51.220 So my concern is looking at this very practically from the standpoint of, are we so sick we are

00:47:03.280 now dying?

00:47:04.380 We are expiring as a species.

00:47:06.660 The answer is yes.

00:47:10.040 How do we course correct?

00:47:12.340 We have to care for the woman. 1.00

00:47:15.100 And we have to care for the child.

00:47:17.400 And we have to think about medicine in, through that very narrow lens of, of organic procreation.

00:47:27.960 Because if we lose that, we have lost the human species.

00:47:32.260 And that is what is happening.

00:47:34.660 And it is, it is the ethical thing to do if you are investing in science, if you are providing

00:47:42.400 medical care, if you are a public health official, it is your ethical responsibility to understand

00:47:49.960 that.

00:47:51.020 And then it is also your ethical responsibility to understand the risks of that IVF actually

00:47:57.620 pose on healthy women.

00:47:58.740 So when I saw them selling IVF and egg freezing to like 20-year-olds, healthy 20-year-olds, if

00:48:05.800 you look at the data, IVF increases breast cancer risk.

00:48:11.620 It completely miswires your ovulation.

00:48:17.620 It is not without its own risk of ovarian torsion, which has, has left many women infertile and,

00:48:30.420 and requiring being rushed to the hospital to fix that ovarian torsion, or in some cases

00:48:37.380 they lose their ovary.

00:48:38.820 Yeah.

00:48:39.020 So this is, this is a, it is a highly risky, highly invasive medical procedure.

00:48:48.240 It's not natural at all to the human body, which is what causes these downstream long-term

00:48:55.960 issues.

00:48:57.600 Yeah.

00:48:57.900 Potential health risks.

00:48:59.400 And so I see the IVF industry selling it to healthy women as if it's like getting your

00:49:05.220 oil changed.

00:49:06.040 Yeah.

00:49:06.760 Risk-free.

00:49:07.260 You do it on your lunch break.

00:49:09.020 Oh yeah.

00:49:09.880 Right.

00:49:11.180 And it was actually the owner, Martin Varsovsky, that I had a, he's the owner of Prelude, which

00:49:21.240 is part of a group that owns most of the IVF clinics in the United States.

00:49:27.460 And in about 2017, I had a, like a real debate with him because he was like, yeah, my secretary

00:49:38.240 just did it on our lunch break.

00:49:39.660 It's no big deal.

00:49:41.040 It's like, what are you talking about?

00:49:42.840 It's a huge deal.

00:49:43.980 Like which part harvested her eggs or had the embryos transferred?

00:49:48.440 He, I don't remember which part.

00:49:50.420 Which part it was.

00:49:50.880 Like he claimed that the whole process of like harvesting eggs is no biggie.

00:49:54.680 Yeah.

00:49:56.040 Which I've heard from even pro IVF women. 0.99

00:49:59.020 It's a big deal.

00:49:59.700 It can be extremely painful.

00:50:01.580 They'll gaslight you about your pain.

00:50:03.960 And I know you've talked about this, but they will harvest a ton of eggs.

00:50:08.200 They're technically not supposed to, but they will be harvesting 20 something eggs.

00:50:13.320 And like the hormones that you have to stimulate your body with in order to get those eggs ready

00:50:17.680 for retrieval, as you're saying, lots of consequences, lots of pain.

00:50:22.560 And the creation of all of those embryos, those human lives.

00:50:26.760 So many times women are not told by doctors, like, by the way, you might have leftover embryos

00:50:32.460 and you should think about that.

00:50:34.120 It's just, if you want to have a kid, this is what you have to do.

00:50:37.240 Right.

00:50:37.640 And you can either donate your embryos to science.

00:50:40.180 God knows what's going to happen to them.

00:50:42.060 Or you can have them destroyed in the lab.

00:50:45.220 And you can have embryo adoption, but I mean.

00:50:47.920 And you can donate.

00:50:48.520 Yes.

00:50:49.120 There's more than a million, you know, frozen embryos on ice right now.

00:50:54.380 And who knows what's going to happen to them.

00:50:56.740 Yeah.

00:50:57.000 Nobody really knows.

00:50:59.260 Yeah.

00:50:59.720 I just did a great podcast with Callie Fell.

00:51:02.580 Yes.

00:51:02.800 I listened to it.

00:51:03.780 She's fabulous.

00:51:04.700 She's a really good one.

00:51:06.040 To follow on this issue.

00:51:08.640 And she met a woman that they harvested over 50 eggs from her in one round.

00:51:14.700 At one time.

00:51:15.840 My gosh.

00:51:17.160 Which is just wild when you think that the body's only designed to ovulate one egg a month.

00:51:23.580 Yeah.

00:51:24.680 Oh my goodness.

00:51:25.900 You know, it's funny.

00:51:26.640 Like you mentioned before, if you're against all these progressive stances, then you're anti-science.

00:51:32.440 But I find that progressives tend to not believe that science has anything to tell us about, say, gender or sex.

00:51:41.600 Or it doesn't have anything to tell us about gestation.

00:51:44.260 Or it doesn't have anything to tell us about how reproduction should work. 0.77

00:51:48.360 Like natural biological science almost, it seems to the progressive worldview, gives us no relevant information for how we should act and the choices we should make.

00:51:59.540 But at the same time, they will say that conservatives are the ones that are anti-science.

00:52:04.180 That's just kind of a disconnect that I've noticed.

00:52:07.100 Well, I think progressives spend so much time making an enemy out of conservatives and Christians that progressives end up getting fixated on that enemy.

00:52:18.720 Yeah.

00:52:19.820 Versus stopping and thinking more critically.

00:52:24.100 And when they stop and think more critically, they actually have a ton in common with conservatives.

00:52:29.340 Yeah.

00:52:30.440 And that was my personal experience.

00:52:33.440 That we are so much more unified than how progressives are being used right now.

00:52:40.520 Progressives are being used in a way that I can only describe my mom describing what it was like being in China.

00:52:52.880 During the advent and the acceleration of communism.

00:53:00.120 Yeah.

00:53:01.620 A similar thing was described to me.

00:53:08.220 Happened in Russia as well, where all of these young people thought that they were these great leaders for freedom.

00:53:18.320 And they were actually being used for a massive fascist takeover of the country.

00:53:24.820 Yeah.

00:53:25.820 And the same thing's happening in America.

00:53:28.620 Progressives are being used and their empathy and compassion is being used for a fascist takeover of the United States government.

00:53:38.520 Yeah.

00:53:39.720 And they see it as the opposite, though.

00:53:42.320 Well, they're well-trained.

00:53:44.100 Yeah.

00:53:44.440 Yeah.

00:53:44.520 Yeah.

00:53:49.320 Okay.

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00:55:15.460 I want to go back to something that you said that was on my list of things to talk about, and we just didn't get to it at the moment, but you mentioned your daughter being diagnosed with autism.

00:55:30.760 You were in the midst of a custody battle, which caused kind of discord in your life, but your daughter being diagnosed with autism a few years ago was also kind of a turning point or a waking up point for you, right?

00:55:42.260 When it came to – I don't know if it's progressivism in general or just the healthcare system in America.

00:55:49.340 Can you talk about that?

00:55:51.120 Sure.

00:55:51.740 So my daughter is now sick.

00:55:53.340 She was diagnosed with autism when she was 18 months of age.

00:55:56.560 Oh, wow.

00:55:56.980 And this was right during – it was actually the second month of lockdowns that she was diagnosed with autism.

00:56:07.960 So I have a company that I had spent seven years building at that point, Clear Access IP, and it was the most sophisticated natural language model in AI using deep learning at the time.

00:56:22.880 It was really – I was so proud of it, and it was in the patent space because I believed – I so deeply – and I still do.

00:56:31.780 I still believe that the power of human innovation to create good is exceptional.

00:56:37.120 And my whole life up until that point was around patents, the innovation system, trading patents, accelerating human innovation for the betterment of humanity.

00:56:46.980 So my company is doing fairly well, but then lockdown and then autism diagnosis happened at the same time.

00:56:57.240 And I ended up having to make a decision if I was going to continue running my company or be a full-time autism mom, and it became more and more clear that my daughter was going to need more of me.

00:57:09.400 And so in those months, I sold my company, which was the thing that I had been so glued to every single day for seven-plus years.

00:57:22.760 So I sell my company, and then I do a deep dive into autism while the world is in lockdown, believing every word the mainstream media was saying about COVID.

00:57:35.260 And it's just – it still took – it took me a really long time.

00:57:42.680 It took me actually until the end of 2022 to realize that the world – there was somehow this takeover that happened overnight while none of us were paying attention,

00:57:58.560 that the world had literally been taken over by a new cadre of leadership.

00:58:02.880 Yeah.

00:58:03.160 And somehow autism, vaccines, and globalism had something to do with all of it.

00:58:14.720 Yeah.

00:58:15.020 But I didn't quite piece it all together.

00:58:16.760 I didn't even realize that there was this conservative independent media world.

00:58:21.260 I wasn't on Twitter.

00:58:22.100 Yeah.

00:58:23.180 So I wasn't hearing all of the talk.

00:58:25.820 Mm-hmm.

00:58:26.140 You're just watching, like, MSNBC, CNN.

00:58:29.820 CNN.

00:58:30.360 Yeah.

00:58:30.700 Whatever came across my Instagram – my, like, friend's circle Instagram feed.

00:58:37.100 But – so this part of the story is hard to tell.

00:58:42.500 Because it is very deeply personal to my marriage with my ex-husband.

00:58:49.780 Yeah.

00:58:49.940 And, you know, he's not just anyone.

00:58:55.660 You know, he's a co-founder of Google.

00:58:57.520 Yeah.

00:58:57.880 And Google's role during the lockdown was significant.

00:59:01.700 Google's role during, you know, the Fauci narrative was, I mean, partnered.

00:59:09.220 There was a very, very deep centralized narrative and Google really was the leader in making sure that narrative was the truth.

00:59:24.180 They censored so many voices.

00:59:29.960 And even to this day, Google's AI censors voices.

00:59:34.360 So I – you know, I – and you have to understand this impacted my home life, too.

00:59:46.280 Yeah.

00:59:46.740 Right?

00:59:47.320 Because it was hard for me to get answers for my child.

00:59:51.120 Yeah.

00:59:51.580 For our child.

00:59:52.600 So you're trying to piece things together and figure things out.

00:59:56.160 And you're – are you already naturally kind of pushing against the mainstream narrative just because of who you are?

01:00:02.440 Well, so I was knee-deep in the autism literature.

01:00:06.580 Yeah.

01:00:06.840 And realized that the world of autism – I can remember very specifically a call I had with a neurologist who just – and I'm calling about my child, right?

01:00:17.600 Like, I don't know about the politics of autism at that point.

01:00:20.960 I'm just like, tell me what's going on.

01:00:22.660 Yeah.

01:00:22.980 And he just let loose.

01:00:26.360 He goes, the behaviorists have taken over the field of autism.

01:00:30.600 It is biomedical, neurologists like me that try to get our work and voices out that there's something biomedically going on with these kids.

01:00:38.960 We are all censored.

01:00:41.120 We get no funding.

01:00:42.820 The government completely ignores us.

01:00:45.320 And it ignores the medical needs of these children.

01:00:48.660 So here I'm on the phone.

01:00:49.900 I'm like, what am I supposed to do with this information?

01:00:53.480 Yeah.

01:00:53.500 Wow.

01:00:54.740 It's providential, though.

01:00:56.580 Yeah.

01:00:56.940 And he's like, well, okay, fine.

01:00:58.260 For your daughter, you know, I'll help you do an overnight EEG.

01:01:01.900 And I'm like, okay, great.

01:01:03.520 I'm like – because I'm just like trying – I'm like doing what every mom does.

01:01:06.380 I'm just trying to figure out what my – what's going on with my kid and how to help her.

01:01:10.580 So, you know, as I do more of that, I actually then realize that the behaviorists, including Stanford Autism Center and ABA and PRT and all of this, like, behavioral stuff, is really being run by individuals that are very conflicted because they're, like, trying to establish themselves as being the leaders in autism.

01:01:40.040 And in order to do that, you need money.

01:01:43.820 So within, like, this period of time, I'm just trying to get my daughter support and people are trying to fundraise off of her.

01:01:55.140 They're like, oh, you know, I'll help you with this, but I'm going to send you a grant request.

01:02:00.380 So that started happening.

01:02:02.100 Yeah.

01:02:02.340 And I was like, this is really messed up.

01:02:05.300 They're trying to get money from you because they know your daughter's diagnosis and they think that you'll support them because of her.

01:02:11.480 Exactly.

01:02:12.640 Yeah.

01:02:13.200 Yeah.

01:02:13.780 They're like, well, that doesn't feel great.

01:02:15.500 And I'm like, okay, well, there's a conflict.

01:02:16.840 So I'm going to put you guys over there who want money from me for autism and the people who are actually helping my child, I want to leave unconflicted.

01:02:23.920 But the behaviorists are very aggressive in protecting their narrative, which now I look back and I'm like, that was a red flag.

01:02:32.920 Yeah.

01:02:33.160 And there were many red flags along the way.

01:02:36.940 Sorry.

01:02:37.440 Just to clarify, what is the behaviorist narrative about autism?

01:02:42.200 That autism is a DSM-5 clinical diagnosis.

01:02:46.680 It's a mental illness.

01:02:48.320 That you're born with?

01:02:49.160 That you're born with or that you develop.

01:02:51.620 It's a developmental illness like paranoia is a DSM-5 diagnosis.

01:02:58.760 Now, autism is a DSM-5 diagnosis.

01:03:01.300 It's the manual for diagnosing mental disorders.

01:03:06.780 And this happened – it's been kind of ongoing and the behaviorists have always believed that like it's just something psychological.

01:03:17.560 Now, you know, at this point I realize autism is definitely not just behavioral and it's definitely not just psychological because my child is showing real signs of medical issues.

01:03:29.200 Like screaming pain, inability to control her arms.

01:03:34.460 She like flaps her arms, biting herself, self-injury. 1.00

01:03:41.020 Like she actually cannot speak and I'm like, why can't she speak?

01:03:44.820 Like it's not – like no amount of speech therapy is helping.

01:03:48.780 At this point I have her in speech therapy for multiple years.

01:03:51.980 Like, you know, she just actually cannot speak.

01:03:55.200 Yeah.

01:03:56.760 She like lost eye contact for a while, stomach, bowel issues.

01:04:03.140 And I'm like, okay, clearly this is not just paranoia and anxiety.

01:04:08.660 Like there's something physical going on here.

01:04:12.680 And that's what you mean when you say biomedical.

01:04:14.980 You mean something physical that caused this.

01:04:18.160 Well, it's interesting.

01:04:20.020 That's where your mind goes, right?

01:04:21.560 Because if it is biomedical, then maybe you can trace it to something that could have onset it or some things that exacerbate it.

01:04:31.860 That's where things get really dangerous.

01:04:34.080 This is where people get canceled.

01:04:35.660 Because big pharma, this is the biggest secret big pharma has been trying to keep from us is that perhaps there is something going on with either vaccines or with medications or in our environment or untreated illnesses that result in an autism diagnosis.

01:04:57.140 So would that like show up with that symptomatology?

01:05:02.700 And it's very, very dangerous.

01:05:04.980 This is where you go from being a mom on a quest to a mom who has, quote, gone crazy, right?

01:05:14.060 Because if you start picking at the biomedical diagnosis or the biomedical issues, you ask that question.

01:05:21.420 The C word, cause.

01:05:24.920 Could something have caused this?

01:05:27.200 And every doctor who is trained by the mainstream medical industry will say, we don't know what causes this, which is true.

01:05:39.240 The scientific community has not done the proper inquiry to figure out what causes autism.

01:05:44.780 And, you know, then once you go there, you find an RFK and you find all those other mamas who have been silenced over the years and all of those doctors who have been silenced over the years.

01:06:00.360 And all of those papers who have been silenced over the years and all of those scientists that are too afraid to do that inquiry or are producing research around that inquiry, you find all of them.

01:06:17.380 And then you realize, holy smokes, this is the biggest cover up.

01:06:22.980 This is in my lifetime, probably.

01:06:26.300 This is a huge cover up.

01:06:28.480 And somehow I'm in the middle of it all.

01:06:31.580 You know, and I found myself married to the guy who started the company that censors all these people.

01:06:37.920 Right.

01:06:38.240 It's a big problem for me.

01:06:39.760 Yeah.

01:06:40.040 It's a big problem.

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01:08:12.340 Was it specifically vaccines that you were convinced were at least partly causing the autism epidemic?

01:08:26.960 So there is, if you really go down the research path, you will find that there's a mitochondrial element to autism or co-occurring medical conditions to autism.

01:08:45.080 That's the safest way to put it.

01:08:46.660 You can't say it is the autism.

01:08:48.240 You can say there are co-occurring medical conditions to autism, which the American Pediatric Society accepts as real.

01:08:53.980 You will find that there is an immune and autoimmune issue.

01:09:00.240 If you think about what vaccines do is they cause immune reactions.

01:09:04.300 That is their purpose.

01:09:06.320 So what happens to some people and people with autoimmune issues is that you have to be very careful with causing an immune reaction.

01:09:16.860 Because there's some degree of autoimmune dysregulation.

01:09:20.220 There's some degree of autoimmune issues.

01:09:22.300 So any time one of, you know, an individual with both mitochondrial and immune issues, if they go in or they're already battling a viral infection and they're immune activated and they go in and they get a vaccine, that is a very risky situation.

01:09:39.780 Yeah.

01:09:40.460 Makes sense.

01:09:41.400 Yeah.

01:09:41.560 And if you look at the vaccine insert, right, which none of us actually get to look at.

01:09:48.600 And I've heard from parent after parent that when they've asked their doctor to look at that vaccine insert, the doctor will be like, no, very defensive.

01:09:55.900 You might need to find a new pediatrician.

01:09:57.860 Yeah.

01:09:58.200 Doctors are so defensive about it.

01:10:00.060 They're so defensive.

01:10:00.980 But if you actually get an opportunity to look at the possible risks of all kinds of vaccinations that are standard on the childhood vaccine schedule, there's encephalitis, which is, you know, brain swelling.

01:10:18.720 There's, you know, all kinds of very serious acute issues that can happen.

01:10:25.760 What they don't necessarily talk about is the chronic issues that occur if one of these acute responses happens.

01:10:33.780 Mm-hmm.

01:10:34.080 Um, and they don't even give you the ability to monitor your child for having an adverse reaction.

01:10:42.320 Yeah.

01:10:43.740 Not long term.

01:10:44.980 They might sit you in the office for 30 minutes to see if something, you know, like anaphylaxis happens.

01:10:49.460 But long term, you're kind of forgotten about.

01:10:52.500 Yeah.

01:10:53.040 And there's been story after story about mothers calling in, fathers calling in to the doctors and saying, hey, my child got this horrible rash after the vaccine.

01:11:01.260 I mean, it's not, probably not the vaccine or if it is, don't worry, they'll get through it.

01:11:05.920 Yeah.

01:11:06.680 Um, so we're ignoring, um, a very, very part of healthcare, which is how to screen a child before a vaccination and then how to pick up and screen for adverse reactions that could turn into a chronic lifelong issue in that individual.

01:11:28.840 And, um, that's all we're asking for.

01:11:32.380 That's all this community of mothers is asking for.

01:11:35.960 You know, we just want to see some change.

01:11:41.120 Yeah.

01:11:41.500 As it relates to being responsible around a very, very serious thing that's impacting many, many, many people right now.

01:11:49.980 Yeah.

01:11:50.840 You mentioned that that obviously created conflict with your then husband, but you were also in this kind of like tech world, this tech wives world.

01:12:00.980 And you've talked about before, I heard you talk about in an interview that these tech wives are very progressive. 1.00

01:12:07.100 And sometimes they are spearheading the philanthropic progressive causes, not just in Silicon Valley, but really like across the country.

01:12:15.040 And so I imagine as you're kind of going through this, of course, at the time you didn't consider yourself conservative, but you're starting to like piece things together or against your husband, probably against a lot of people in that community.

01:12:26.780 Like, can, can, can you tell me a little bit more about what that world is like?

01:12:32.420 How deeply indoctrinated is it in progressive ideology?

01:12:36.860 And also it's, you know, kind of a three part question.

01:12:39.120 Like, what was it like for you as you were kind of waking up to everything?

01:12:41.780 I think at the heart of the progressive billionaire wife mafia is a real desire to want to be liked, to, to do, to give back and to be celebrated for doing good work.

01:13:01.320 Um, and there is an ego, a belief that they were brought up in a way, many were at highly educated, many have professional backgrounds, great degrees from great institutions.

01:13:22.400 Um, but then the wealth sets in, and if you think about the trajectory, these women go on once the wealth comes in, usually the wealth comes in, not necessarily because their tech husband is this exceptional entrepreneur. 0.74

01:13:42.560 It's because what I've realized is that the government helped fund their husband at some point along the way.

01:13:50.220 If you look at like the history of Google or the history of Facebook or the history of Apple, even the history of, of, you know, not so much Amazon, but like even Hewlett Packard or Oracle, um, these companies didn't just spring up out of nowhere.

01:14:17.520 They came through institutional backing at some point in the case of, you know, Facebook and Google, especially, um, where a lot of these tech wife mafia folks come from, um, it was Stanford.

01:14:38.960 There's just like, there's this like, there's this Silicon Valley, Stanford network.

01:14:43.300 And if you look at where some of those grants or money came from, early money, especially, and then accelerant money, it came from individuals that had government ties.

01:14:54.300 Um, and so these companies serve government functions as well.

01:14:59.620 Like Google really was involved with the government in helping identify behavior on the internet and Facebook as well.

01:15:10.780 And so it's no surprise that the intertwining between the Democratic Party, which is so prevalent in California and these companies has just always been there.

01:15:22.780 That synergy has always been there.

01:15:24.220 And that relationship has always been there.

01:15:25.620 Um, and, you know, I don't think that the wives necessarily are bad people, but I think that their worlds are so small and they actually have no idea how small those worlds are until you, because they can't break free of it. 0.99

01:15:43.660 Mm-hmm.

01:15:44.420 And they're, they feel this need to contribute to these causes that are within that very small sphere of influence.

01:15:53.580 Mm-hmm.

01:15:54.280 And that's their only, that's their only like litmus test of like, am I a valuable or am I not valuable?

01:16:04.000 Yeah.

01:16:04.440 And they think they're doing the right thing.

01:16:07.120 We're talking about like Priscilla Chen, Warren Powell Jobs, McKenzie Bezos.

01:16:13.900 I mean, they were-

01:16:14.760 Carrie Tuna. 0.99

01:16:15.280 Yes.

01:16:15.480 Dustin Moskowitz's wife.

01:16:17.400 Yes.

01:16:17.860 Funding, you know, immigration causes, which are really enabling and exacerbating illegal immigration.

01:16:24.940 So-called criminal justice reform, which I know that's part of your background as well.

01:16:28.580 Yeah, I was the criminal justice one.

01:16:30.740 Yeah.

01:16:31.400 Okay.

01:16:31.840 So that was kind of like-

01:16:32.800 And I worked with Carrie Tuna on that. 0.98

01:16:33.560 Yeah.

01:16:33.640 That was kind of your focus.

01:16:35.340 I mean, you helped fund like George Gascon's campaign, right?

01:16:41.040 When he was running for DA.

01:16:42.400 Well, I had worked with him when he was San Francisco's DA.

01:16:45.640 And he actually was good then.

01:16:47.900 But what happened around the pandemic is that this whole other segment, what I don't think

01:16:58.160 many of the tech mafia wives realize is that they were used to set the groundwork for what 1.00

01:17:06.380 was called like the reset, what is called generally as like the reset by the Klaus Schwab's of the world.

01:17:13.820 Like the Great Reset.

01:17:14.720 The Great Reset.

01:17:15.600 Yeah.

01:17:15.920 I mean, they openly talk about this Great Reset.

01:17:18.200 Yeah.

01:17:18.380 So the tech-wide mafias, I believe, were kind of being conscripted in many ways and their

01:17:25.240 money especially was being conscripted in to set the groundwork for the Great Reset.

01:17:32.800 Yeah.

01:17:33.940 Specifically through?

01:17:35.280 Specifically through a network of non-NGO advisors, relationship with Hollywood, relationship with Davos, and their own companies.

01:17:56.940 So if you look at like who's on these boards, who hangs out with each other, how the culture of tech wealth works, like Silicon Valley tech wealth and that small group of people responsible for a huge amount of money and a huge amount of NGO activity across the United States.

01:18:18.500 It's a really small group of people and it's a really small group of people making these decisions.

01:18:23.120 Yeah.

01:18:23.460 And then completely blind to everything else that's going on and how their groundwork is being used to then enable these other policies, these Great Reset policies.

01:18:41.680 Mm-hmm.

01:18:42.680 Now what this group of women doesn't realize is that in their haste, these women are all very busy. 1.00

01:18:49.200 Yeah.

01:18:49.440 They have multiple properties.

01:18:52.120 They have tons of staff.

01:18:53.860 They have staff issues, chronic staff issues.

01:18:58.220 Their kids are busy.

01:18:59.820 Their kids oftentimes have some health issues as well.

01:19:03.500 A lot of them have relationship issues with their husbands. 1.00

01:19:08.860 And a lot of them themselves are like medicated on SSRIs and antidepressants and all of that because it's just overwhelming.

01:19:17.620 Yeah.

01:19:17.840 So it's chaos and these women find their meaning through their philanthropic work. 1.00

01:19:27.940 Yeah.

01:19:30.200 And they find themselves, like I would find myself, that was my self-worth, was my philanthropic work and I really believed in it.

01:19:38.020 Mm-hmm.

01:19:38.320 I really believed that I was giving black communities a chance to, like, rise up out of oppression.

01:19:45.960 I really believed that I was helping indigenous communities rise up out of oppression.

01:19:50.120 And now that I look back and see how all those grants are performing, you know, because my version of success is those communities are actually uplifted.

01:19:59.380 Yeah.

01:20:00.220 Not just more money pumped into them.

01:20:02.480 Not just more money.

01:20:03.560 No.

01:20:03.780 So the problems of the community have gotten worse.

01:20:06.200 Crime in the community has gotten worse.

01:20:08.460 Mental health in the native community, the indigenous community has gotten worse. 1.00

01:20:12.800 They will even say, the indigenous community will even say that their biggest supporters in Congress have been Republicans.

01:20:19.500 But yet they continue to vote Democrat.

01:20:22.980 Yeah.

01:20:23.780 Right?

01:20:25.340 I mean, that is this, it's like, the whole model is broken.

01:20:32.800 The whole model makes everybody worse off.

01:20:35.540 And now we're contending with the frickin' Great Reset that we're now realizing is a terrible idea.

01:20:43.180 Yeah.

01:20:43.960 Yeah.

01:20:44.480 And that many of our climate change issues are geoengineering issues.

01:20:49.660 Yeah.

01:20:50.320 Wow.

01:20:50.900 Which is, like, at the end of the day, they always go to that.

01:20:52.960 They're like, but climate change.

01:20:54.680 And then.

01:20:55.460 Yeah, that really is the end all be all.

01:20:57.180 Like, you have to let us do this because of climate change.

01:20:59.940 Yeah.

01:21:00.980 Social justice and climate change.

01:21:02.360 It always boils down to those two things, and it gets progressive women 100% of the time. 1.00

01:21:08.000 It does.

01:21:08.820 It does.

01:21:09.560 So basically how you're saying it would work, you've got all these Silicon Valley wives who I'm sure are actually empathetic.

01:21:17.040 Maybe they really want to help people, but also tied to prestige and other people thinking that you're a good person.

01:21:22.620 Yes, they start their own foundations, but also y'all have got a ton of people coming to you and being like, will you pay for my grant?

01:21:29.160 Will you fund my organization?

01:21:30.520 Will you do this?

01:21:31.220 Yes, and you looked at the criminal justice-focused things and said, or social justice-focused things says, yes, that's how I'm going to dedicate my money, and you're telling me you're going to uplift these communities.

01:21:43.240 Yeah.

01:21:43.400 So these progressive entities would come to you and ask for money.

01:21:46.240 You would give them the money, and you're saying that none of the programs or anything that they actually installed or instilled went anywhere positive.

01:21:54.700 Well, I think that the programs themselves would run, right?

01:21:59.980 The offices would get bought.

01:22:02.220 The people would get hired.

01:22:04.420 Everyone would have fancy titles.

01:22:06.520 And the nonprofits thrived.

01:22:09.140 Did the communities thrive?

01:22:10.860 Right.

01:22:11.120 No.

01:22:11.840 The communities did not thrive around the NGO.

01:22:14.700 The NGO thrived.

01:22:16.080 It's like teachers' unions.

01:22:17.440 It's the same racket.

01:22:18.260 It's a racket.

01:22:20.160 And so you're like, and then the thing about NGOs is once they're up and running, they're designed to do one thing, raise more money, hire more people.

01:22:29.820 Yep.

01:22:30.660 Right?

01:22:30.980 And so then the communities are still in bad shape.

01:22:36.580 We need more money.

01:22:37.500 They need the communities to remain in bad shape to raise more money.

01:22:41.940 Yeah.

01:22:42.360 But we're so close.

01:22:43.620 We just need this.

01:22:44.700 We saw some progress, and the conservatives are ruining.

01:22:47.600 The conservatives are the enemy.

01:22:49.700 Yeah.

01:22:50.240 Right?

01:22:51.200 And the conservatives are the problem.

01:22:53.060 We need more of your money.

01:22:54.180 Okay, here's more money.

01:22:55.320 Yeah.

01:22:55.980 Right?

01:22:56.240 So it just spirals, and you're like, oh, my God, I've created a monster.

01:23:03.160 Yes.

01:23:03.660 I mean, you can see how you just kind of get stuck in that cycle.

01:23:06.420 You get stuck in the cycle.

01:23:07.560 And then you can sit down with your board and be like, we're pivoting.

01:23:11.320 Yeah.

01:23:12.060 This is no longer our cause.

01:23:14.040 We're now going to pivot.

01:23:15.240 And then the NGOs will come to you and be like, that one, they pivoted.

01:23:19.500 We need more of your money.

01:23:20.920 And you're like, we're falling apart.

01:23:22.160 And you're like, oh, God, I put all this time and money into you getting to this thing,

01:23:25.760 to this place, for this community.

01:23:27.600 And it's just like, it's a racket.

01:23:29.440 Yeah.

01:23:29.840 It doesn't make anyone better.

01:23:31.380 And then it actually requires the further sensationalizing of the issue.

01:23:38.860 Yeah.

01:23:40.080 To raise more money.

01:23:41.140 To raise more money.

01:23:42.040 Yeah.

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01:24:40.320 You say that your sights are still set on California politics, right?

01:24:49.240 Or helping California, but in a very different way than you used to try to help.

01:24:53.740 So I fully believe that woke ideology came out of Hollywood.

01:24:57.180 Through the relationship of big tech, Hollywood, and Davos all working together.

01:25:03.180 And it's this like alchemy of like creating the sensationalism around woke ideology.

01:25:11.900 And it is that.

01:25:14.580 It is Silicon Valley, Hollywood, and the Great Reset.

01:25:18.380 And it's kind of all spun up together to create content, to take over social media,

01:25:24.680 to make sure all the money goes in certain ways politically.

01:25:26.900 And so it has taken over the world because it gets exported.

01:25:35.660 It gets exported to the UK.

01:25:37.440 It gets exported to Germany.

01:25:39.020 It gets exported to Sweden.

01:25:42.860 You know, China is like watching all of this and they're involved as well

01:25:46.920 because they're like, ooh, there's an opportunity to take over Hollywood.

01:25:49.980 Hello.

01:25:50.540 Yeah.

01:25:50.680 So, you know, China has a role in this.

01:25:55.560 And you have to keep in mind, Ali, that if you recall from Davos when Klaus Schwab had Xi Jinping come

01:26:08.560 and give like the big address at Davos.

01:26:11.640 And Xi Jinping comes on the stand and he says, I am now assuming that's the role of global peacemaking and leadership.

01:26:22.820 Of course.

01:26:24.440 And that happened.

01:26:25.680 What year was that?

01:26:26.520 I believe that was 2017, 2016, 2017.

01:26:34.480 Hmm.

01:26:35.260 Mm-hmm.

01:26:35.680 Wow.

01:26:36.200 I didn't realize that that had happened that long ago.

01:26:39.040 Mm-hmm.

01:26:40.020 Yeah.

01:26:40.460 Yeah.

01:26:41.640 Okay.

01:26:42.300 So what are your endeavors?

01:26:45.300 Like what are you trying to change in California?

01:26:48.720 So, so much of this is about helping progressives understand how deeply they're being used to undermine their own communities.

01:27:04.340 Yeah.

01:27:05.180 They're undermining their communities.

01:27:07.300 They're undermining the very people they seek to help.

01:27:10.140 Mm-hmm.

01:27:10.620 Because they don't, they cannot see the difference between a truly good cause and good actions.

01:27:21.080 Mm-hmm.

01:27:22.720 And this political chaos.

01:27:31.800 Yeah.

01:27:32.060 And, and, and I want to, and I want to, to help bring that sanity back because the sad thing is, is when you get wrapped up in the political chaos, you lose yourself too.

01:27:43.320 Yeah.

01:27:43.640 You use your, you lose your, you lose your, you lose your ability to care for yourself, you lose your ability to, I believe, live, you know, in a good, in a, in a way that connects you to God.

01:28:02.460 Yeah.

01:28:02.980 You know, your primary relationship should be between the individual and God, right?

01:28:07.940 It's like, I believe that even before I believe that Jesus was truly a savior.

01:28:14.200 Yeah.

01:28:14.420 And, and, and, and I believe many progressives do have strong relationships with God and there's a lot of chaos there.

01:28:23.660 There's a lot of anger and there's a lot of discord.

01:28:27.320 And I really believe that if there's a way to just continue doing the work, whether it's through campaigns, through a book, through podcasts, through media, through journalism, through conversations, through events.

01:28:47.260 If there's a way for, for me to contribute the proper way, right, which is no longer through philanthropy, but actually through just living the life that, like, and, and contributing to communities in a way that the communities feel empowered, whether that's a recall, right?

01:29:09.920 If the community of LA wants a recall, they get a recall.

01:29:13.480 Yeah.

01:29:13.760 But like, not just any citizen can come up and start a recall.

01:29:18.160 You have to have a whole political team.

01:29:20.260 You have to have money.

01:29:21.960 So if the community wants a recall, I believe my job as a person with means in the state of California who wants to help these communities, like really help these communities self-govern, they get a recall.

01:29:34.280 You know?

01:29:34.720 Yeah.

01:29:35.020 I'm going to put my effort into that.

01:29:36.060 You're going to help.

01:29:36.180 So it's a, it's a completely different way of thinking about charitable works, but I think it's the way that if everyone kind of reframed their giving to what do the people want versus what does the NGO need, we will be able to solve all the problems in an authentic way.

01:30:01.320 Yeah.

01:30:02.420 Well, I'm hopeful.

01:30:03.680 I'm hopeful about the work that you're doing.

01:30:06.600 And I know that the, like, the passion, the vigor that you feel, especially for moms who are trying to figure things out for their kids, who want a better world for their kids.

01:30:15.940 I mean, that is so emblematic of the whole Maha movement.

01:30:18.600 But that's very relatable to a lot of people listening, no matter what side of the aisle they're on.

01:30:23.940 So I'm cheering you on.

01:30:25.200 I'm very thankful.

01:30:26.080 And thank you so much for taking the time to talk to us today.

01:30:29.300 Thanks, Allie.

01:30:30.000 Yeah.

01:30:48.600 Thank you.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - March 24, 2025

Ep 1159 ｜ Nicole Shanahan on Christianity, Vaccines & the Lies of Leftism

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