Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1165 ｜ Robot Wombs & Why Gen Z Women Reject Jesus

00:00:00.800 Gen Z women are leaving the church. I've got my take on why. Also, robot wombs, what is 1.00

00:00:08.360 happening in the world of reproductive technology, and an update on the very consequential Wisconsin

00:00:15.160 election this week. We've got all this and more on today's episode of Relatable.

00:00:19.540 Hey, guys. Welcome to Relatable. Happy Wednesday. Hope everyone is having a wonderful week so far.

00:00:35.180 We had an interview scheduled for today with one of your favorite guests, one of my favorite guests,

00:00:40.500 Justin Haskins, to give us an update on the Great Reset and if Trump and the policies that he's

00:00:47.560 implementing or doing anything to deter those who are in charge at places like the World Economic

00:00:55.580 Forum from implementing their plans via that previously obscure law in the EU. Go back and

00:01:02.920 listen to or watch that conversation if you haven't already. We'll get him back, though. Be praying for

00:01:09.220 him. He is sick. He suddenly got sick, and so he wasn't able to come on the show today, and so pray

00:01:15.580 for a full recovery for him. And so instead, we will go through some of the subjects that we've been

00:01:20.920 hoping to talk about. First, we'll hit politics, and this is an update on a Wisconsin race that our eyes

00:01:30.720 have been on, a very consequential race. Elon Musk, Donald Trump have been sounding the alarm about the

00:01:37.760 importance of this. Elon Musk put a lot of money into this race, and unfortunately, it did not go

00:01:44.340 our way. So here is a summary. It's from Daily Wire and CNN. Yesterday, the race for a seat on the

00:01:50.380 Wisconsin Supreme Court drew national attention, along with a record $90 million in spending

00:01:55.740 as liberal judge Susan Crawford defeated conservative Brad Schimmel. While liberals saw this as a key

00:02:03.180 victory over the candidates supported by President Trump and Elon Musk, Wisconsin voters also

00:02:08.300 overwhelmingly voted in favor of a voter ID constitutional amendment, which was a win for Republicans. I would 0.86

00:02:15.680 say it's a huge win for Republicans. Supreme Court judge races are officially nonpartisan. They're not allowed

00:02:22.700 to say, hey, I'm a Democrat running for office. I'm a Republican running for office. But of course, they have

00:02:28.440 their positions. You can see this through their judicial record. And so Democrats are going to

00:02:32.560 support one candidate, while Republicans will support another. Crawford was backed by the Democrats.

00:02:38.680 Schimmel, former Republican attorney general of Wisconsin, was backed by Republicans, including Trump.

00:02:44.560 So it was a fairly close race. I mean, maybe you could say not really. I mean, we've seen a lot closer.

00:02:51.780 Crawford won 55 percent support. This also occurred in a state which Trump won in November,

00:02:57.620 by a narrow margin. But he still won. Remember, Biden won Wisconsin in 2020. Trump won Wisconsin

00:03:05.840 in 2016. So it is a true swing state. It's hard to determine how these elections are going to go.

00:03:13.280 Schimmel's campaign, the Republican backed candidate, received funds from, as I said, Elon Musk and his

00:03:19.500 PAC, the America PAC, at a town hall in Wisconsin on Sunday evening. Musk gave out one million dollars

00:03:26.060 each to two people who signed a petition from his PAC opposing activist judges. These activist judges

00:03:33.740 go beyond their jurisdiction to try to stop the Trump administration from doing what the executive

00:03:40.860 branch has been charged to do, especially when it comes to deportation and other immigration policy.

00:03:47.280 The PAC also gave any registered voter who signed the petition a hundred dollars. And if you're saying,

00:03:52.500 I can't believe that Republicans are paying people to vote. What do you think the entire Democrat Party

00:03:59.000 apparatus is? That is what they are doing. They say, if you vote for us, we will give you more taxpayer

00:04:05.140 dollars. Crawford was supported by billionaires George Soros and Illinois Governor J.B. Pritzker.

00:04:12.080 And so that tells you exactly who this person is. George Soros is deeply invested in the dissolution

00:04:19.540 of the United States. And I wish that were an exaggeration. But speaking of Justin Haskins and

00:04:26.620 The Great Reset, if you go back and you listen to all of the episodes I've done with him, go back to the

00:04:32.700 first time I had Justin Haskins on, that is still one of my most popular episodes that I've ever done

00:04:39.220 because of what Justin, through his just profound research, has discovered about George Soros, what he is

00:04:48.100 actually funding, what is driving him, and the results of the policies and the politicians that George

00:04:53.700 Soros has put in place. It is not hyperbole to say that George Soros wants to dissolve the borders of the

00:05:03.160 United States to completely do away with our national sovereignty, to do away with law and order and

00:05:10.540 completely create a chaotic state that weakens America so that we are no longer the main inhibition of

00:05:23.920 the Great Reset that is being launched by him and by others at Davos. Again, I wish that were some

00:05:34.480 kind of conspiracy theory, but it's absolutely not. Also, much of the far-left immigration policy that has

00:05:42.220 foisted multiculturalism that has created a lot of chaos in the United States, a lot of that comes from 1.00

00:05:51.080 George Soros and his Open Society Foundation. So if any politician is being funded by Soros, you know

00:05:59.520 that they are pro-crime under the guise of social justice, and you know they are pro-chaos. That's the

00:06:08.700 result. That's the result of Soros-backed policies and politicians. The previous funding record was $40

00:06:15.060 million set two years ago when liberals flipped the vacant seat, giving them the majority on the state's

00:06:20.640 Supreme Court for the first time in 15 years. Since the liberals won that 4-3 majority in 2023,

00:06:28.060 the court has delivered major victories to Democrats. So we're talking about Wisconsin

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00:08:06.120 Okay, so here's what this means. The Wisconsin Supreme Court's ideological balance is significant

00:08:15.200 because it will hear major cases on things like abortion, collective bargaining rights,

00:08:20.880 voting rights, potentially congressional redistricting, all of which could impact Republican

00:08:26.160 interests in Wisconsin, a key battleground state, and obviously could affect what goes on in D.C. as

00:08:34.020 well. The Wisconsin state government is now divided. So we've got the governor who is a Democrat,

00:08:39.500 Republicans control the state legislature, and now the Supreme Court is predominantly liberal.

00:08:46.740 Per CNN, quote, with the divided government, the Supreme Court has become the final arbiter on

00:08:52.020 policies that affect Wisconsinites' lives. Crawford, again, not surprising, just knowing who

00:09:01.160 supports this person has a history of liberal advocacy as an attorney before becoming a judge,

00:09:06.640 which will affect a lot of the issues at stake. Crawford worked as a lawyer for Planned Parenthood.

00:09:13.040 She also sued to block the state's voter ID laws and filed a lawsuit against the state's measure 0.58

00:09:19.960 to reform government unions. Okay, anyone who is against voter ID laws is pro-corruption.

00:09:27.480 That is the only reason you would be against that very obvious and simple restriction when it comes

00:09:35.500 to who can vote. Of course, you must be a citizen of the United States and you should have to prove

00:09:41.560 that. It's pretty simple. I can think of a lot more restrictions that I would put in place

00:09:46.620 so that we can actually have like an educated electorate who has a stake in the future of our

00:09:53.860 country. But basic, yeah, everywhere should have a voter ID law. And it is not a coincidence that it

00:10:01.440 is exclusively Democrats and Democrat run areas that don't want those voter ID laws. Obviously, she is 1.00

00:10:10.200 pro-choice when it comes to Wisconsin abortion law. They've got a trigger law. They're currently deciding

00:10:17.860 on the Wisconsin Supreme Court the fate of this trigger law. This is an 1849 abortion law that 0.85

00:10:25.060 took effect following the Dobbs decision in 2022, making it a felony to perform an abortion at any

00:10:34.880 stage of pregnancy unless it's done to save a mother's life. This briefly stopped abortion services

00:10:40.120 in Wisconsin until a judge ruled in 2023 that the law only applies to killing an unborn child without

00:10:46.240 the mother's consent, which is just insane. Like, why would murder be OK just because the mother of 0.95

00:10:52.180 the person being murdered says, yeah, do it? This ruling was appealed up to the state Supreme Court,

00:10:57.620 which heard oral arguments last November. So now we know which direction this is going to go.

00:11:03.360 Planned Parenthood filed a lawsuit in February 2024 asking the court to rule whether a constitutional

00:11:09.180 right to abortion exists in the state. And obviously, Planned Parenthood and all of the pro-baby

00:11:14.720 murder people want this to be a constitutional right to be able to slaughter, to dismember,

00:11:20.740 to poison children because they are inside the womb and because they don't have any political capital 0.80

00:11:27.680 and they have no way of defending themselves. And so Wisconsin pro-lifers, I mean, they've been

00:11:33.800 working really hard so far. They will continue to have their work cut out for them. And we know that

00:11:39.220 no matter which direction the court goes, even though we can predict that pretty well,

00:11:45.240 that that does not mean that our work is over. I really encourage you right now to support pro-life

00:11:52.280 pregnancy centers in Wisconsin in particular. And you can look those up online and just know that

00:12:00.060 like we are supporting you, praying for you. If you are in Wisconsin, you are in the pro-life world

00:12:05.260 there. Let me know. Let us know what we can do specifically to help you. A liberal majority on

00:12:13.200 the court could also lead. We mentioned that this could affect what happens in D.C. as well. So it

00:12:20.360 could lead to redrawn maps that are more favorable to Democrats, districting maps, potentially shifting

00:12:27.080 the balance of power in the state legislature and Wisconsin's congressional delegation. This could

00:12:32.840 impact the U.S. House majority where Republicans hold a slim majority right now. So all this election

00:12:41.060 was really big, really consequential, and it did not go Republicans way, which is not good. Now, the good

00:12:49.060 news, voter ID law passed. So in true swing state, purple state fashion, voted for the Democrat, voted also

00:12:58.740 for this Republican-backed voter ID law. Wisconsin voters approved a state constitutional amendment

00:13:04.160 to enshrine existing voter ID requirements into the Wisconsin Constitution. Wisconsin has had voter ID

00:13:10.740 laws in place since 2011. So that just requires voters to present an acceptable form of photo ID. However,

00:13:21.340 since it was a state law, it was vulnerable to legal challenges or legislative appeal. Now, as a

00:13:27.940 constitutional amendment, it would require another voter approved amendment to repeal, which is exactly

00:13:35.340 what the left wants to do when it comes to abortion. Just a reminder, the two sides are not the same. I

00:13:41.340 know you've got people who believe, well, you know, we're not supposed to be on either side. Both sides

00:13:46.080 have their bad things. OK, well, here in the state of Wisconsin are what the two sides are voting on or

00:13:51.940 supporting right now. You've got the Republican side, which is saying we want it to be a constitutional

00:13:56.900 amendment that says you have to be an American citizen and be able to prove it to vote because

00:14:01.680 we care about the integrity of our elections. We don't want to be vulnerable to corruption or

00:14:06.080 cheating. And we think that national sovereignty and citizenship should actually mean something or

00:14:12.180 else none of this really matters. We're not even really a country. The other side, what they want

00:14:18.640 enshrined in the Constitution, what they want regarded as a constitutional right so that it's

00:14:25.020 extremely hard to get rid of is the right to murder an unborn child, a living human being without any

00:14:33.200 defense. That's what they want in the Constitution. The two sides are not the same. OK, whatever you hear

00:14:40.580 about Donald Trump or Republicans being cruel because they're deporting fentanyl traffickers and

00:14:48.020 murderers and illegal people to their home countries, just remember that the other side believes in the 0.90

00:14:57.360 unfettered and celebrated right to poison and dismember living babies inside the womb and even outside of

00:15:07.700 the womb. And I don't even have to go into the details on that if you have been listening to the

00:15:14.660 show for any amount of time. If you would like citations, proof, evidence, a detailed account of

00:15:20.600 the claim that I just made, just type in relatable abortion wherever you listen or watch. And we have

00:15:25.540 tons and tons and tons of episodes on the specific policies that Democrats have supported that support

00:15:32.780 outright infanticide. So all of this proves yet again the alliteration that we have been using for

00:15:40.040 over five years. Politics matter because policy matters because people matter. Politics affects

00:15:46.180 policy. Policy affects people. People matter. People matter to God and therefore they matter to us as

00:15:52.360 Christians. As you heard Natasha and I talk about on Monday, we do not have the option as salt and light 0.98

00:15:59.980 in this world to remove ourselves or recuse ourselves from the political world, the public sphere. Because if we

00:16:09.420 believe that God's ways are better and if we love our neighbor, then we will do everything we can for to

00:16:15.600 advocate for God's definitions of goodness, righteousness, truth, and justice so our neighbors get to benefit from

00:16:24.260 those good things. And so we've got another example of that right here in these Wisconsin elections.

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00:18:32.400 All right. So this post has gone viral on X, and this is not a new conversation, but the discussion

00:18:40.920 has renewed around this. And this is a hypothetical scenario. As far as we know, this is not actually

00:18:47.820 happening right now. Although I keep seeing this over and over, this suggestion that we are on the

00:18:54.120 brink of being able to create children in some kind of incubator or in a robot, and that we don't actually

00:19:03.980 need human wombs. We don't actually need women to create or to gestate at least these babies. So 1.00

00:19:13.100 this post went viral. This person with a picture of a robot carrying a baby. Of course, it's not real,

00:19:21.180 but this depiction of it, robot carrying a baby. Or actually, I think it's supposed to be a real woman

00:19:26.900 with just like an artificial womb, robot womb. Okay. This person says, once they successfully

00:19:33.380 make this robot that can give birth, it's over for you, ladies. And then this post really went viral, 0.96

00:19:42.120 and this is kind of what hit it off. And I think this is even more interesting to talk about. This

00:19:46.920 person that says 600,000 likes on X. They don't understand that this is literally a win for women. 1.00

00:19:55.220 And then you have several other posts echoing that sentiment. Someone says,

00:20:00.140 thank God. Another person says, amen. And then another person says, and these all have a lot

00:20:07.840 of engagement. Women's bodies will no longer be exploited for their reproductive capacities. 1.00

00:20:12.040 It's quite literally a feminist dream. So you see that the feminist dream, the feminist idea is that a 1.00

00:20:21.580 woman's body is actually oppressive to us, that our amazing capability to create, bear, and then sustain 1.00

00:20:29.780 life is actually a form of oppression that women need to be liberated from via this kind of dystopian 1.00

00:20:37.900 technology. So this is from an article via MIT Technology Review 2023. And it's about robots

00:20:48.160 fertilizing eggs in IVF. So a little bit different, but in the same vein. Two baby girls were born in

00:20:55.600 early 2023 via IVF, but instead of traditional IVF, they were fertilized by a robot. These are

00:21:02.940 engineers in Barcelona working for some startup company. One of the engineers with no real experience

00:21:09.040 in fertility medicine used a Sony PlayStation 5 controller to position a robotic needle eyeing a human

00:21:15.220 egg through a camera. It then moved forward on its own, penetrating the egg and dropping off a single

00:21:20.420 sperm cell. Even though over a dozen embryos were fertilized by the robot, only two healthy embryos

00:21:26.560 were implanted and later born. The goal of automating IVF is to make a lot more babies. Full automation of

00:21:35.520 IVF is still a long way off as IVF involves over a dozen procedures and the sperm injecting robot only

00:21:40.960 partially performs one of them. There is some evidence to suggest that fertility machines like

00:21:45.460 the sperm injecting robot could eventually evolve into artificial wombs, but the technology is not

00:21:52.160 there yet. Jesus, please come before this. Please, please. Like we're all ready for it. There is a reason

00:22:00.660 why so much dystopian fiction creates these scenes where the beginning of life is artificial. I mean,

00:22:14.140 this is Brave New World. In Brave New World, these babies are created in pods. We don't know exactly how

00:22:21.900 they're made, but they are disconnected from their biological parents. They are raised completely

00:22:27.240 disconnected from their biological parents. They are not supposed to have the same emotional response

00:22:33.120 to things as typical humans do because they were created for a particular purpose, to do a certain

00:22:39.080 kind of job. They don't have the same ideas about sex and about connection and about marriage. They're

00:22:45.680 basically automated people that are meant to do certain tasks. And when they go outside of that,

00:22:51.280 disaster happens. Brave New World is very applicable, maybe even more applicable than 1984. But if you

00:22:57.020 haven't read both of those, I really encourage you to, because there are a lot of lessons to be

00:23:00.960 learned. But we're not supposed to be mimicking dystopian fiction. We are supposed to be learning from it

00:23:07.320 and running away from it because they're a critique on where society could go if we keep heading in the

00:23:13.860 direction that we are heading. And it is a misunderstanding and a mistreatment of human dignity and the human

00:23:26.000 human experience and human purpose. You see that when we play God in this way and when humans

00:23:32.500 intervene, there will be consequences, not only consequences on the individuals that are without their

00:23:40.360 consent being treated as a science experiment, in this case, babies, but also on society in general. It's so

00:23:46.760 interesting how the people who say that they are pro-science never stop to ask themselves, what does science

00:23:53.620 tell us about the way things should be? What does the natural science of reproduction tell us about

00:24:00.280 what is actually needed for a child? What is actually good for a woman? What is actually good for a man? 0.98

00:24:06.760 They will listen to science when it comes to, or quote unquote science, when it comes to the vaccine,

00:24:13.120 or quote unquote science when it comes to climate change. But when it comes to reproduction,

00:24:18.540 they won't stop and say, huh, you have to have a man, you have to have a woman, they have to come 1.00

00:24:26.400 together to create this child. And maybe that's because a man and a woman are also necessary to raise 0.99

00:24:34.740 the child. Huh? Women have this amazing capacity to ovulate and to create life and then sustain life with 1.00

00:24:45.220 her own body after she pushes a baby out of her womb. Maybe that says something about the female 1.00

00:24:54.080 purpose and the beauty and the uniqueness of the feminine experience that we don't need to be 1.00

00:25:01.160 liberated from, but that we should actually be understanding and elevating more. What do we always

00:25:07.060 say? Children are always the unconsenting subjects of progressive social experiments. What we know

00:25:15.140 about children, babies inside the womb is they create this very special and somewhat mysterious bond

00:25:23.960 between the woman that makes them or that is carrying them and their own body and their own mind. Just in 0.97

00:25:32.540 an emotional sense, their smell, their feel, their hearing of a woman's heartbeat creates a home for them

00:25:41.680 that regulates their own emotions, their own breathing, their own heart rate after they're born and they're

00:25:49.720 placed back on that mother's chest. But we also know, we've talked about this study before, that there is

00:25:55.080 actually a transferring of cells that happens when a woman is pregnant, that a baby's body can actually

00:26:03.980 help a woman's body heal when she needs to be healed. If she has a heart problem, if she has an

00:26:11.620 immune deficiency, actually pregnancy and the healing mechanisms in the baby's growing body can

00:26:19.160 help the mother as well. And it's amazing because even if a woman has an abortion, even if a woman has 0.79

00:26:25.660 a miscarriage, even if a woman is a surrogate, that exchanging of cells still happens. And that baby

00:26:32.780 is a part of the woman who carried him, ideally his mom, forever. Isn't that incredible? It's almost like

00:26:40.740 there was an intelligent designer that created this system for our good. And when we mess with it, whether

00:26:47.900 it's through IVF, whether it's through artificial wombs, there's going to be a loss. There's going to be a 0.99

00:26:55.000 consequence. We have no idea what we are doing to a child's psychology, to their physiology, to their

00:27:05.660 emotional health, to all of that when we take them away from the mother who carried them, when we take

00:27:15.200 them out of the ideal situation in which they are to grow. And so, no, not all progress is good. Remember,

00:27:24.980 technology can tell us what can be done. It cannot tell us what should be done. And when technology,

00:27:32.420 another, we have a lot of phrases on the show, if you didn't know, when technology takes us

00:27:37.360 from what is natural to what is possible, Christians have to ask, but is this moral and 0.59

00:27:44.000 is this biblical? And in this case, no, it's not. And also, like you are just asking for trouble. I mean,

00:27:50.820 we already have the problem of surrogacy being used to enable and exacerbate child sex trafficking

00:27:57.700 on a scale that is like beyond human comprehension, as we have talked about so many times. I mean,

00:28:04.360 when you really completely remove a child from the protection of the womb, from the protection of

00:28:11.740 the mother, when you have the ability, when someone has the ability to take the child out of this

00:28:17.480 artificial womb whenever they want to, to destroy the baby when they decide they don't want it anymore. 0.80

00:28:23.540 I mean, you are just tearing down any barriers we have now to abortion and infanticide. I mean,

00:28:30.840 there is no good that can come from this. No good that can come from this, especially when we already

00:28:35.360 have a million embryos on ice that could be adopted, especially when we have millions of children

00:28:40.680 in foster care and through adoption agencies who need to be taken care of. There's nothing good that

00:28:48.060 can come out of this. There's no positive side of this. And it is just a part of this world of

00:28:56.140 eugenics. It is part of this world of reproductive technology that garners a lot of profit for a lot 0.99

00:29:03.620 of people but should unapologetically and unwaveringly be opposed by Christians. And there's another aspect 0.95

00:29:10.640 of this that is actually being covered by the New York Times. So not just a viral ex post,

00:29:16.160 but is something that is actually going mainstream that we need to discuss as well. And I'll talk about

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00:30:50.820 and the cover of the story, this is by Ezra Klein, I believe. This baby was carefully selected as an

00:30:58.960 embryo and you see this cute little baby crawling and the little caption with an arrow to the baby.

00:31:05.460 Her mother screened for gender and health during IVF. This almost feels like an April Fool's joke that

00:31:11.900 this is an advertisement, a marketing strategy that we're supposed to be applauding. See, this is

00:31:17.920 perfect example of toxic empathy. What does toxic empathy do? It lifts up one person that you are

00:31:24.920 supposed to have compassion and sympathy for and ignores everyone else on the other side of the moral

00:31:30.040 equation. So they're showing you this cute baby because who can deny a cute baby? Who could look at

00:31:35.800 that baby and say, you should not exist? And we're supposed to ignore all of these baby siblings who were

00:31:41.880 thrown away like trash. Toxic empathy evokes feelings for one person on one side of the issue while making you 0.93

00:31:51.680 ignore everyone else on the other side of the moral equation. And toxic empathy makes you feel so much

00:31:57.180 so that you are blinded to both reality and morality. And that is true in all reproductive

00:32:03.940 conversations that we have, especially when it comes to IVF. We hear about the very sad parents who

00:32:10.520 want to be a mom and dad. We understand that. We have sympathy and even empathy for that. And we can and

00:32:16.000 should. But the feelings that we have for their plight should not blind us to the reality that the IVF

00:32:24.120 industry kills more babies every year than the abortion industry. That if a baby is really a baby

00:32:30.560 at conception, if we believe that life starts at conception as we do when we're talking about

00:32:35.100 abortion, then how we treat embryos matters, not just in a womb, but also in a lab. And in IVF,

00:32:43.040 those embryos, the vast majority of the time are being graded, are being discarded. If they don't

00:32:48.760 have a high grade, they typically don't survive the transfer process, which is extremely risky. And

00:32:54.700 that is the moral bargain that you are taking, the ethical risk that you are taking every time you

00:33:00.080 embark on IVF. Not every couple goes through, you know, goes through that process, but the vast

00:33:07.880 majority do, and most doctors won't tell you about it. But that's just the basic risk with IVF. Now

00:33:13.900 we're adding something else on that through this story that is promoting a technology that grades

00:33:23.300 embryos for all of the genetic unwanted traits that a baby might have so that parents can say,

00:33:31.800 oh yeah, that embryo right there has Down syndrome. That embryo right there might have some kind of

00:33:39.400 disease that my grandmother had. Discard those and only allow the babies who are quote-unquote perfect 1.00

00:33:46.960 to survive. So this person, her name is Noor Siddiqui. She is the founder of Orchid,

00:33:53.140 a reproductive technology company based in San Francisco that offers advanced genetic screening

00:33:58.120 for embryos during IVF. That's who's highlighted in this New York Times article. And here's what

00:34:05.360 she says in response to this article about her company. When I was in elementary school, my mom

00:34:10.200 started going blind. Retinitis, pigmentosa, no family history, no treatments, no cure. I got lucky.

00:34:17.340 She didn't. It led me to build Orchid Inc. So my baby and everyone else's gets to win the genetic

00:34:24.100 lottery, avoid blindness, and hundreds of severe genetic diseases. Today, the New York Times covered

00:34:30.780 the tech. We've spent years building whole genome embryo screening for hundreds of diseases, not in

00:34:37.120 theory, not in mice, in humans, in IVF centers. So I mean, she's admitting, yeah, we are testing humans

00:34:44.580 and we are throwing away this. She doesn't say this, but you have to read between lines. We are throwing

00:34:49.580 away the ones that don't make the cut. She goes on to say, if you could prevent your child from going

00:34:56.340 blind, would you? From getting pediatric cancer at five? From heart defects, schizophrenia at 22? From

00:35:02.580 living a life radically altered by pure genetic bad luck? This is a choice parents are now able to make.

00:35:08.140 She also goes on to say, sex is for fun. IVF is for making babies. Golly, what an insane and disjointed

00:35:18.420 and disordered view of life and children and creation. Oh my goodness. What this is, is you are

00:35:26.620 asking these lives that you have intentionally created, these embryos that are living human

00:35:32.440 beings with their own distinct DNA, their eye color, their gender already determined. Obviously,

00:35:38.320 some of their diseases, future diseases already determined. You are asking them to sacrifice

00:35:44.060 their lives in accordance to your wants. That is disorder. Parents sacrifice for their kids. We do

00:35:52.000 not ask the lives that we have created to sacrifice their safety, their well-being, their rights, their

00:35:58.720 life for us. That we see that ordering from the very beginning. That God created the family, man, woman,

00:36:07.760 children in marriage for the protection of all of the parties, but especially the most vulnerable

00:36:13.680 party, the child. Again, it's like God knew what he was doing when he was creating biology and created

00:36:20.980 society and families based on that biology. Here's the irony here as she is promoting this,

00:36:30.320 that yes, you get to choose your baby's sex, eye color, screen for a range of genetic traits that

00:36:36.700 already happens. But she is saying that this is even more than that, that you can test in a way

00:36:44.960 that can look for all kinds of future diseases. As she said, you might be able to prevent your child

00:36:50.420 from getting cancer at age five. Here's the thing. Here's how we have to think about this as Christians.

00:36:56.000 If we know life starts at conception, we can read that in Psalm 139. God is knitting us together

00:37:01.300 in our mother's womb. We know that even beyond the Bible, just science, that human life starts at

00:37:09.340 fertilization. That little human being has his or her own DNA at that point. Human beings are people

00:37:17.860 with dignity. That's the philosophical, ideological debate that people have. Well, when does a human

00:37:22.980 actually become a person? When do they actually have a soul? No, the morally safest place to say that

00:37:28.260 a human is a person is at the point of conception. Because any point after that becomes very

00:37:33.480 arbitrary. Is it based on size? Is it based on age? Is it based on location? Is it based on sentience?

00:37:39.080 Is it based on its ability to help itself? Okay, well, if you do that, then you have to apply all of

00:37:44.600 those factors to people outside of the womb. And you see how that gets really tricky. So the question

00:37:49.240 here is, if you can prevent your five-year-old from getting cancer by killing her when she is just an

00:37:54.960 embryo, is it okay to do that when she is two weeks old? Is it okay to do that when she's one? 0.90

00:38:02.380 If the goal here is to prevent all suffering and to prevent all disease, then why is it unethical to

00:38:08.280 kill a child outside of the womb to prevent those things? Because an embryo doesn't look the exact

00:38:14.080 same way that a newborn does? Because an embryo isn't the same age as a newborn is? Well, all of those

00:38:19.560 are very slippery reasons to justify eugenics. And that's what this is. This is Margaret Sanger's

00:38:25.720 dream. From the very beginning, she wanted to sterilize and inflict infanticide on those that 1.00

00:38:33.560 she considered less than, including Black Americans. That was part of her Negro project. 1.00

00:38:39.160 She's the founder of Planned Parenthood. And if you read my book, Toxic Empathy, the chapter

00:38:45.200 about abortion goes through the history of how abortion was, the industry was founded,

00:38:52.580 how Planned Parenthood was founded. It was all founded by eugenicists. People who believed that

00:38:59.740 some people just did not deserve the chance to live and that maybe we can create a pure race of

00:39:08.200 people without any defects. That's exactly what this is too. It is couched in compassion.

00:39:14.440 It is couched in trying to alleviate harm. But really what you are doing to alleviate harm

00:39:21.460 is killing people. You're killing human beings. And understand this is what the IVF industry is and

00:39:29.680 does. So when President Trump signs an executive order saying that he is going to endeavor to make

00:39:36.320 IVF more accessible and to force our tax dollars into funding it, this is part of what he is talking

00:39:43.120 about. And I just have less and less patience for Christians who are unwilling to think through 1.00

00:39:50.240 issues like this. Who, because they went through IVF themselves or they know someone who went through

00:39:56.920 IVF, they won't touch it. And yet they will at the same time say that they're pro-life. Say that a life

00:40:05.440 is a life no matter how small. We should care for the most vulnerable. Yes, we're going to fight for life

00:40:11.700 inside the womb. What about the life inside the lab? They matter too. If they are human beings,

00:40:18.180 they also have the most fundamental human right, which is the right to life. And the argument is,

00:40:23.840 well, if you're pro-life, why would you be against this? Why would you be against IVF? Why would you be

00:40:28.380 against surrogacy and the creation of babies? Look, to be pro-life means that I do not believe in

00:40:33.780 purposely ending the life of a person that has been created. That does not mean that I am for every form

00:40:40.900 of conception. Just because I believe that a baby conceived in rape should not be aborted doesn't

00:40:46.360 mean that I supported the rape. Right? Like we can understand that. That just because you are pro-life

00:40:53.000 does not mean that we are pro every form of conception. And it is because we believe in the

00:40:58.660 value and the dignity of those babies that we do not support every form of conception and gestation.

00:41:05.060 We believe that science has to tell us something about how things should be. I'm talking about

00:41:10.400 natural biology. That when we intervene, bad things tend to happen, like the creation of millions of

00:41:17.420 embryos that are completely abandoned or surrendered to science or are destroyed or eugenically discarded

00:41:25.800 on a daily basis in the United States. We are the wild west of reproductive technology. 0.97

00:41:32.640 This story just proves that America is in a very bad way when it comes to this. And it's all being

00:41:41.200 done in the name of helping people have babies. The irony is also if this person's grandmother had had the

00:41:51.300 technology that she developed, this person would not be here. Because if this person's grandmother could

00:41:59.260 have seen that her daughter, the embryo, would eventually have blindness and then would have discarded that

00:42:06.740 embryo, not only would she not be here, but this person, Noor Siddiqui, wouldn't be here either. But I bet you

00:42:14.020 she believes that her life has value, that she has contributed to society despite her mom having this

00:42:22.100 degenerative disease. I bet she loves her mom and glad that she's here. And I bet she's grateful for her life.

00:42:27.800 She just doesn't think that other people should be able to have the same opportunity to live that

00:42:35.100 she and her mom did. Siddiqui also said that she envisions a world where embryo screening becomes

00:42:41.540 the norm, telling investors, again, I said this earlier, sex is for fun and embryo screening is for

00:42:48.820 babies, a provocative stance that's already sparking debate. No, sex is for reproduction and it also is 0.93

00:42:57.080 fun. Like, it's great. God gave us the gift of sex. It should be fun, should be enjoyed exclusively between 0.83

00:43:03.080 one man and one woman in the context of marriage. It is great. And what a gift that it is also like this fun

00:43:10.020 thing that creates life and makes the world go round and spawns generations. Genetic testing is for eugenicists. 0.98

00:43:19.080 Eugenics is for Nazis. Okay? Like, let's leave that in our past. We all say never again, but we don't apply 0.87

00:43:30.060 all of the principles and all the practices of the Holocaust to that statement, apparently.

00:43:36.020 Because part of what they believed in, too, was a pure race where all of the last vans could be 0.54

00:43:46.020 discarded. These last vans just happened to be embryos in a lab. And yes, the comparison works because,

00:43:55.640 again, if you go back to the beginning of all of this with Margaret Sanger, you'll see that she was

00:44:01.040 very good friends with the Nazis as they shared the same goal. It's not so different than what's 0.95

00:44:06.700 happening today. Okay? Get smart on this. There's one resource in addition to the many, many conversations

00:44:12.720 I've had about this on the show. Again, you can type in IVF relatable, and I encourage you to get

00:44:19.000 educated on this. In my Love is Love, which is a myth, but in that chapter of the book of Toxic Empathy,

00:44:27.600 we go through IVF and surrogacy and give you some quick talking points and facts on that so you can

00:44:32.540 watch that. But also, I encourage you to get Ethics for a Brave New World. It has all of these

00:44:39.540 different subjects and talks about them from a biblical perspective and helps you really think

00:44:43.900 through these ethical issues in a very productive way. So I recommend that book to you. All right.

00:44:51.060 We'll have a quick conversation about the story that I've been meaning to get to,

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00:46:27.440 Okay. Gen Z women are leaving the church. This is according to a Barna study. Barna is really like 1.00

00:46:34.680 the gold standard in Christian studies like this. They showed that Gen Z women ages 18 to 24 are less

00:46:43.720 likely to identify with faith than their male counterparts, marking a significant change from

00:46:48.640 previous generations where women have historically been the more religious sex. From Barna study on

00:46:54.380 Gen Z, Volume 3, females between the ages of 18 to 24 are more likely to say they don't believe in God

00:47:02.320 or a higher power. The New York Times, I believe it was, also covered this too, that there is a rise

00:47:08.320 of the religious right among Gen Z men, whereas Gen Z women are becoming more progressive. For decades,

00:47:15.840 women led the way in levels of religious engagement, church attendance, and faith identity.

00:47:20.700 This could indicate a broader shift of women out of the church and a less devout emerging generation

00:47:26.380 of women. They break down Gen Z into two groups, teen Gen Z, ages 13 to 17, and young adult Gen Z.

00:47:35.000 Nothing makes me feel older than to think about how young other adults are. That's just an aside.

00:47:45.640 We have a babysitter who is 20. Okay, this is crazy. Brie, are you ready to feel old too?

00:47:51.720 Okay, babysitter who is 20. We were talking about Frozen. My daughter asked her if she watched Frozen

00:48:01.840 when she was a kid. And I'm like, well, no, she didn't watch Frozen when she was a kid. Yes, she did.

00:48:07.340 She did. Did you know? I think that Frozen came out in 2010. You can fact check me on that.

00:48:15.040 It's not 2010? Okay, someone fact check me on that. I thought it was later too, but then I thought that

00:48:22.860 I read that it was 2013. Okay, 2013. Okay, so how many years ago was that? 12 years ago, she was eight.

00:48:32.140 Yes, that is the perfect age to watch Frozen. So she watched that when she was a kid and my kids are

00:48:39.380 watching it like it's brand new. Every little girl that I know watches Frozen, loves Frozen like it is

00:48:46.700 brand new. No, it came out when the babysitter of my children who is an adult was a child.

00:48:55.260 That's crazy. That's crazy. That does make me feel old. Yes. And like I was an adult when she was

00:49:02.560 still a child and I just feel like I am still 25. I remember watching it in college. So yeah, I don't

00:49:09.900 love that. Yeah, I was like right out of college. I think I watched it with my husband's like, well,

00:49:18.000 now there are niece and nephew, but we were dating and I'm pretty sure that like we went over to their

00:49:22.560 house and I watched Frozen for the first time. That would have been like 2014. But anyway, yeah,

00:49:28.520 it's just crazy. It's just crazy. So anyway, we're talking about Gen Z. When we're talking about 13

00:49:33.320 year olds, we are talking about people who were born in 2012. Okay, there are people walking around who can

00:49:38.800 walk and talk who were born in 2012. And that is very frightening to me. Anyway, these people also

00:49:44.820 apparently have religious opinions. They're old enough to have religious opinions. So female young 1.00

00:49:50.760 adults, 18 and 24, significantly more likely than female teens to strongly agree that morals change

00:49:55.520 over time based on society. Female young adults, 18 and 24, are also most likely to identify as

00:50:03.020 religious nuns in ONES. This is compared to 32% of male young adults, 28% of female teens and 22%

00:50:13.640 of males. So yes, it was the New York Times who noticed the trend a few months ago in their article

00:50:22.240 in a first young men are more religious than women. Okay, so why is this? I'm sure a lot of you out there

00:50:31.480 have your own thoughts about this. Like I will just give myself, I think there are a lot of reasons for it.

00:50:36.960 By the way, I don't think that there's just one reason. I think social media plays a part in it. I think

00:50:41.820 just progressive ideology, I think toxic empathy is actually like a huge part of the tool that has been

00:50:47.900 used to emotionally manipulate naturally compassionate and well-intentioned young women into believing

00:50:55.300 that in order to be a good person and a kind person, you have to be progressive, but

00:51:01.480 every young woman in your life should read both You're Not Enough. I'd start with You're Not Enough 0.99

00:51:05.860 actually, and then I would move to toxic empathy. That would be my recommendation. Obviously, I would

00:51:14.500 rather them, more than anything that I've ever written, I would rather them just get an ESV study

00:51:18.880 Bible and imbibe that first and foremost. But these books are also like, if they don't read the Bible,

00:51:25.740 it could be like a good precursor to that. Anyway, one of the things, in addition to the many other

00:51:33.880 factors I think are at play here. And I hate the whole, let's blame the church for society's problems

00:51:40.860 because I'm not really that person. And I think people sin because people have been sinning and

00:51:47.320 sin is attractive and the flesh is very strong. And most people don't have the desire or the incentive

00:51:54.180 to buck against the popular narrative. Most people have a very low tolerance for exclusion

00:52:00.240 and marginalization and ostracization. And so most people are just going to go along to get along

00:52:08.360 and whatever the media says about something, they're just going to say,

00:52:13.420 yes, I believe that too, because I want you to like me, especially women. We especially want to be

00:52:18.600 liked and accepted. But I do think that the church plays a role in this. And this is something I've

00:52:24.520 been talking about for a long time that I probably actually started talking and writing about in

00:52:30.460 college and have discussed a lot on this show. And that is, and that's actually why I wrote You're

00:52:38.700 Not Enough, because I noticed not only in popular secular culture, do we have these kind of like

00:52:44.760 amateur psychologists, author influencers who are constantly preaching to women that you are enough,

00:52:52.180 that you're perfect the way you are, that you are entitled to everything you want, and that your

00:52:57.620 journey in life should lead you to loving yourself perfectly. And once you do that, everything else will

00:53:04.160 fall into place. You've got this inner goddess deep inside that has been held back by society's 0.98

00:53:08.440 standards and unfair marketing trends and arbitrary standards of beauty and capitalism and the

00:53:19.820 patriarchy. And once you throw all of that off and you find and manifest that inner goddess, then you

00:53:25.360 will be perfectly happy. I mean, that is basically the underlying plot to most teen fiction. And that's

00:53:31.760 also directly what we are being told by so many influencers. But what I really noticed and what

00:53:36.800 really disturbed me is that we saw an echo of that in women's ministries, in so many women's books.

00:53:45.840 If you walk into so many, I can't say most because I don't know the statistics on it, so many women's 1.00

00:53:51.980 conferences, the main goal is to make the attendees there feel seen, feel applauded, feel appreciated,

00:54:03.860 feel beautiful, feel wanted. And the implicit message there is that that's really women's

00:54:12.260 biggest problem, is low self-esteem, that we're undervalued, and that the biggest issue that needs

00:54:22.340 to be solved for us is feeling good about ourselves. And if we have that, if we know how amazing we are

00:54:32.180 and how perfect we are in God's sight, then we will finally be happy and confident. And that's just not

00:54:39.880 it. It's not, that's not our main problem. And that should not be the main goal. Our biggest problem

00:54:46.020 is also men's biggest problem, that we are sinners in need of a savior, that we are actually dead in our

00:54:53.340 sin apart from Christ, that we are tempted by sin. We are tempted by the flesh. Actually, our bigger

00:55:00.940 problem is that we think way too highly of ourselves. We think way too much about ourselves. We are so

00:55:07.680 self-obsessed. And sometimes that leads to unhealthy self-loathing. Sometimes that leads to unhealthy

00:55:14.820 self-aggrandizement. But on both sides of that self-obsession coin, what we really need is the

00:55:22.460 surrender, the self-denial, and the self-forgetfulness that comes from following Christ.

00:55:29.300 And in that counter-cultural message, you actually find a lot of confidence and fulfillment.

00:55:36.160 Because you actually place a burden and a yoke on women when you tell them that their biggest problem

00:55:43.940 is that they feel bad about themselves. Because then they're searching inside themselves for,

00:55:47.680 well, what's wrong with me? I need to understand myself more. I need to dig deeper into me. I need

00:55:53.780 to go on this long journey of self-discovery. Why am I not going to therapy? I need to start going to

00:55:59.500 therapy. Hang on. Wait, what's my Enneagram number? I forgot that I might have a wing. Maybe I'm not

00:56:04.820 really a one. Maybe I'm a one wing two. And oh my gosh, all this time I've misunderstood myself. And now

00:56:09.480 I just got to figure it out. I got to figure out who I really am. And that might sound like you're going

00:56:15.200 on this liberating journey. But really, it's this exhausting journey. Because you realize when you

00:56:20.780 dig deep enough that there's a whole lot of ugliness in there. And the only person that can

00:56:25.440 redeem you of that and heal you of all of that is Jesus Christ. Because the self can't be both the

00:56:32.160 problem and the solution. If inside yourself you are finding these very real feelings of inadequacy and

00:56:37.120 depression and anxiety, you will not find the solution to these things in the same place that

00:56:40.940 you are finding your problems. You could only find the solution outside of yourself, namely in the

00:56:46.820 God who created you. He alone can tell you who you are, whose you are, and what you are worth. And

00:56:53.480 he tells you that by sending his son to die for you. And so instead of looking to yourself to figure

00:56:59.920 out who you are and what you're worth, you get to look to the cross. Because what you feel about

00:57:06.400 yourself will change depending on how you feel on any given day. And that depends on how much you

00:57:12.180 slept last night and what you ate for breakfast this morning and what people are saying about you.

00:57:16.840 But if you look to the cross, if you look to Jesus, who is the same yesterday, today, and forever,

00:57:22.800 you are relieved of that burden of being your own source of satisfaction. So I just wonder if actually

00:57:28.600 the church, if women's ministries and women's Bible studies have been focused on the wrong things.

00:57:36.400 And have actually promoted self-idolatry. And look, if you are just promoting a Christianized 0.98

00:57:42.800 version of what the world is offering, you can't be surprised when women don't want to sacrifice 1.00

00:57:47.960 their Sunday morning to go to church and instead just want to go to brunch. Because they can be told

00:57:53.200 how awesome and beautiful they are by their friends without all of their religiosity that comes

00:57:58.660 with attending a worship service. And so I just wonder if churches have underestimated

00:58:04.520 that women need theology too. That women need apologetics too. Women need the unvarnished gospel 1.00

00:58:11.540 too. That we needed something more substantive. That we needed difficult truths. We didn't need

00:58:18.640 to just be fed a Jesus version of self-help nonsense. I wonder if that's part of all of this.

00:58:28.020 It's also a big inspiration for Share the Arrows. That's why I started Share the Arrows. That's why we

00:58:33.980 had the conference last year. That's why we've got it this year. Because I believe that women as image 0.98

00:58:40.060 bearers of God, as people who need Christ, as people who are bearing Christ, and who are vessels of the

00:58:47.880 gospel, that we need training. That we can take difficult truth. That we need deep theology. That we need

00:58:54.480 apologetics. And that we can disciple our children in what is true in an adversarial culture.

00:59:02.260 And that's why we're having Share the Arrows this year. I really encourage you to join us. You will

00:59:09.120 be bolstered. You will be strengthened. I love the message I got last year from an attendee. I walked

00:59:14.360 out of there with zero fear of man. Yes and amen. Let's go. That's what's going to happen at Share the

00:59:20.080 Arrows this year. So make sure that you go to sharethearrows.com. Get your tickets. We've got

00:59:25.180 new speakers in addition to the ones that we've already announced that will be announced very

00:59:30.840 soon. Sharethearrows.com. All right. That's all we've got for today. I will see you back here tomorrow.

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Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - April 02, 2025

Ep 1165 ｜ Robot Wombs & Why Gen Z Women Reject Jesus

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