Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1168 ｜ Should Austin Metcalf’s Dad Forgive His Murderer？

00:00:00.660 Austin Metcalf was a 17-year-old who was murdered last week at a high school track meet.

00:00:07.440 The debate that has been sparked in the aftermath of this tragedy has us asking a lot of very

00:00:15.500 important questions about forgiveness, about right versus wrong, about self-defense, and

00:00:22.220 yes, about race relations in the United States.

00:00:25.180 We will get into all of that on today's episode of Relatable.

00:00:30.000 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable.

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00:02:18.100 All right.

00:02:18.540 We've got a lot to get into today, more controversial territory.

00:02:22.800 I just want to thank you guys for commenting on yesterday's video.

00:02:27.500 I don't like talking about controversy, especially within a body of believers.

00:02:34.420 Believe it or not, I feel responsible to do that.

00:02:37.640 And certainly when someone is misrepresenting, perhaps maliciously, something that was said

00:02:43.200 on this show, I feel responsible to defend it and to clarify and to support the claims

00:02:49.780 that I've made.

00:02:50.640 Or if I am proven wrong, to apologize and to clarify.

00:02:55.680 And so that's what we did in regards to the prosperity gospel in the so-called Black 0.79

00:03:01.960 Church on yesterday's episode.

00:03:04.220 And so many of you, sisters in Christ, brothers in Christ, who happen to have more melanin than

00:03:10.540 me, commented in support of what I was saying.

00:03:14.220 And I just appreciate that.

00:03:16.400 A lot of you, of all different melanin counts and ethnicities that make up the body of Christ

00:03:22.540 in this audience, share the arrows with me.

00:03:25.560 And I am right there with you, ready to share the arrows with you too.

00:03:28.900 And I just appreciate that so much.

00:03:31.440 We are wading into not necessarily controversial theological areas today, although maybe part of

00:03:40.320 it will be, but it's really more cultural and maybe political, but it certainly is, again,

00:03:48.240 racial as we talk about this horrifying story of the murder of a teenager in Frisco, Texas

00:03:55.640 named Austin Metcalf.

00:03:57.860 Now, most of you have probably heard at least the basics of what happened, that this young

00:04:05.200 man, 17 years old, was murdered at a track meet.

00:04:09.140 Just to give you some context, as someone who grew up in Dallas and has frequented Frisco

00:04:15.440 many times, this is a very nice area of the metroplex.

00:04:20.740 This is a very, in general, rich area.

00:04:24.860 And this track meet was among public schools, but the public schools that were competing against

00:04:31.420 each other are pretty affluent.

00:04:34.140 Obviously, you've got a diversity of socioeconomic backgrounds at any public institution, but we

00:04:42.140 are not talking about South Dallas schools that you might expect some level of violence.

00:04:49.080 This is very shocking for this area.

00:04:52.000 This has been a shock to the community.

00:04:54.500 And I just want to tell you the details.

00:04:57.160 Before we get into the backlash and the debate that has surrounded this, let's just talk about

00:05:02.960 the human beings involved and the sadness that we should always feel when an image bearer

00:05:10.180 of God is murdered.

00:05:12.020 Austin Metcalf is the 17-year-old victim.

00:05:15.240 He was a high school football player from Frisco Memorial High School.

00:05:20.400 He was fatally stabbed on April 2nd, 2025.

00:05:23.700 I talked about it several times on my Instagram during a track meet.

00:05:27.800 The suspect, 17-year-old Carmelo Anthony from Frisco Centennial High School, allegedly stabbed

00:05:34.720 Metcalf in the chest following a brief altercation.

00:05:38.120 That's the language that is used by the press just as a CYA.

00:05:43.600 But we know, according to the witness testimonies of dozens of people who saw this happen, even

00:05:52.100 the admission of Carmelo Anthony, that this kid actually did commit this crime.

00:05:59.180 So here are some details.

00:06:00.900 According to witnesses, the confrontation began when rain drove students to shelter under

00:06:06.100 tents.

00:06:06.840 So each school has their own designated tent.

00:06:10.580 There are seats reserved for the students of that particular school in that specific tent.

00:06:17.940 Anthony went under a tent of Memorial High School, even though he is not a student at Memorial

00:06:24.300 High School.

00:06:24.960 He is a student at Centennial High School, another high school in the area.

00:06:30.180 So when Anthony, this is again according to witness testimony, was sitting in the wrong

00:06:35.800 tent, the tent that was not designated for his school, Austin Metcalf apparently asked

00:06:41.400 him to move from their tent.

00:06:43.760 And Carmelo reportedly replied, touch me and see what happens.

00:06:48.320 Now, other reports actually say that it started with him saying, make me.

00:06:52.360 So he didn't want to move, I guess.

00:06:54.800 And Austin Metcalf said, well, I want you to move.

00:06:59.380 He kept on insisting that he moved.

00:07:01.020 And then when he said, make me, we don't know exactly what Austin said in response to

00:07:06.740 that.

00:07:07.080 Maybe he said, OK, I will.

00:07:08.980 Who knows?

00:07:09.980 But then when Carmelo Anthony said, touch me and see what happens, Austin apparently grabbed

00:07:17.000 his backpack.

00:07:18.360 He touched Carmelo to kind of move him, pull him out of the seat with his backpack still

00:07:25.680 attached to his back.

00:07:27.280 And as he was doing that, Anthony reportedly pulled a knife from his bag and stabbed Metcalf

00:07:34.000 once in the chest before fleeing the scene.

00:07:37.920 And blood was spilling everywhere, according to Metcalf's twin brother, Hunter.

00:07:44.960 Hunter held Austin Metcalf, according to his own testimony, in his arms, tried as hard as

00:07:51.500 he could to place his hands, to place pressure on his heart, on his chest, where the blood

00:07:56.720 was spilling out to try to stop the bleeding.

00:08:00.580 And he says that he saw he said this on Fox News, on Will Cain's show.

00:08:05.300 He saw the soul of his brother leave his eyes.

00:08:09.640 And he also said tragically that that's when his own soul left his eyes.

00:08:15.020 Anthony was or left his body.

00:08:16.980 Anthony was quickly apprehended by Frisco police.

00:08:20.240 And upon being referred to as a suspect, Anthony said this, quote, I'm not alleged I did it.

00:08:28.460 OK, so apparently pretty proud of the choice that he made and asked if what he did would

00:08:35.040 constitute as self-defense.

00:08:37.420 He also said he put his hands on me.

00:08:39.680 I told him not to, according to the arrest affidavit.

00:08:42.960 Anthony has been charged with first degree murder and is being held on one million dollars

00:08:48.540 bond.

00:08:50.260 Metcalf, according to friends and parents who knew him, according to his community, was a

00:08:56.080 standout athlete with a 4.0 GPA, named MVP of his football team, was receiving college

00:09:02.900 football offers.

00:09:04.240 His family described him as a leader with a bright future.

00:09:08.920 And there is so much discussion about how the family has responded and about if race had

00:09:16.760 anything to do with this, because Carmelo Anthony was black and Austin Metcalf was white.

00:09:23.460 And I will just say up front that we don't know, just as I said, scandalously after George

00:09:30.360 Floyd died, that we have no idea what the motivation of Derek Chauvin was when he leaned on

00:09:37.380 his back. It was assumed that it was white supremacy.

00:09:40.820 It was assumed that it was racial discrimination and prejudice.

00:09:44.180 We didn't know that.

00:09:45.800 It was simply assumed because of the colors of the people involved.

00:09:50.000 And it caused, of course, this whole firestorm and weeks and weeks of deadly riots because

00:09:57.660 of that assumption.

00:09:59.380 But that is called partiality.

00:10:01.100 That's not justice.

00:10:02.560 That's not based on truth.

00:10:03.780 That's not based on evidence.

00:10:04.900 That's based on an assumption.

00:10:07.100 And that's not right.

00:10:08.140 In this case, I do not know if Carmelo Anthony was, you know, singled this kid out.

00:10:15.220 It doesn't sound like he singled him out, but that he reacted the way that he did because

00:10:19.760 Austin Metcalf was white.

00:10:21.840 I don't know that.

00:10:23.060 I don't know the motivation behind it.

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00:12:00.620 I want you to watch Austin's brother, Hunter, describe what happened.

00:12:14.500 There was this kid, before I knew his name now, this kid was sitting under our tent at

00:12:22.420 track.

00:12:23.300 We asked him to move.

00:12:24.400 He started getting aggressive and talking, reckless, and my brother stepped in and said

00:12:30.100 you need to move.

00:12:30.880 He's like, make me move.

00:12:31.920 Austin grabbed his backpack.

00:12:33.760 This kid, I tried to whip around as fast as I could, but I didn't see the stab.

00:12:39.920 But then I looked at my brother and I'm not going to talk about the rest.

00:12:45.220 That's just what I saw.

00:12:47.380 I mean, I tried to help him.

00:12:49.340 I just, I cannot imagine being that young man, going through that kind of trauma, holding

00:12:59.420 your brother, your twin brother, your best friend that you shared a womb with.

00:13:06.880 You held him while he took his final breath.

00:13:09.660 You were with him when he took his first breath and you held him as he took his final breath.

00:13:14.560 Man, I just pray that Jesus would be close to this man, comfort him, help him use this

00:13:21.760 testimony to strengthen him and to share the gospel with others, because this could either

00:13:27.860 make or break him.

00:13:29.240 I mean, he could allow God to be near to him and to use him in very powerful ways one day,

00:13:36.860 or this could be the traumatic event that he just is never really able to recover from.

00:13:43.180 And it can also be both, like within our pain, within our sadness, within our trauma, God

00:13:49.060 can make beauty out of ashes.

00:13:50.840 So just pray for him.

00:13:52.620 Pray that he would have people speaking truth into his life, comforting them there when he

00:13:58.100 needs it.

00:13:58.860 I think young men especially feel this burden to compartmentalize, to kind of push away the

00:14:04.840 hardship that they've endured, to be strong, to not cry.

00:14:08.300 And, you know, there is some benefit to that.

00:14:13.380 There is some benefit to compartmentalization.

00:14:15.960 I don't think that we need to be constantly pouring out our emotions, but emotions are also

00:14:20.600 necessary.

00:14:21.680 They're also good.

00:14:23.340 And our capacity to feel pain is not a bad thing.

00:14:29.380 It can actually be very healthy to recognize what we've endured.

00:14:33.460 And so just pray for him and pray for his parents.

00:14:37.480 His dad is reacting to this, Austin Metcalfe's dad.

00:14:40.780 He also gave an interview.

00:14:42.940 I personally, I'm not sure why a family would want to give interviews right after a tragedy

00:14:48.620 like this happened, but maybe it's just to clear the record.

00:14:51.880 Maybe they feel like they want to make sure that their son, that their brother is being

00:14:56.200 represented correctly in the media.

00:14:58.460 Maybe they just feel like they're speaking truth.

00:15:01.500 I'm not sure.

00:15:02.100 I just think that this would be so hard.

00:15:03.840 It might be the last thing that I want to do after enduring a tragedy like this.

00:15:08.240 But here is Austin's dad saying, look, this is not about race.

00:15:12.760 Saw one.

00:15:13.860 I want to make this very clear.

00:15:15.560 This is not a race issue.

00:15:17.200 This is not a black and white issue.

00:15:19.120 I don't want someone stepping up on a soapbox trying to politicize this.

00:15:22.760 I don't appreciate some of the remarks I've seen online that people say there was this

00:15:27.540 fight and there was they don't know they weren't there.

00:15:29.920 Yeah, and he is talking about and as we'll get into, he's talking about like both sides

00:15:36.600 there.

00:15:36.960 Like he's not just talking about, oh, conservatives asking, does this have to do with anti-white

00:15:43.620 prejudice?

00:15:44.620 There are a lot of people, as we will get into, who are not white, who are saying, oh, well, 0.89

00:15:51.100 you know, these white kids must have been bullying him because he was black. 0.61

00:15:54.680 And this was the straw that broke the camel's back and he was just defending himself. 0.90

00:15:59.040 And so I think this dad is probably addressing all kinds of commentary.

00:16:03.160 If I were to give a recommendation to this dad, I would say don't look online.

00:16:08.200 Don't read the comments.

00:16:10.060 Don't be a part of this dialogue and discussion that's just going to make the pain worse.

00:16:15.580 And I understand why the dad is saying that some people were mad in thinking that he was

00:16:22.020 defending the murderer.

00:16:23.500 I don't think that's what he's doing.

00:16:25.420 I think that he doesn't want this very real human tragedy to be a part of a political discussion.

00:16:33.380 I understand that desire.

00:16:35.440 It might not be feasible because so much is understandably political and cultural today.

00:16:43.140 But I understand, like, why he wants to say that, of course.

00:16:47.680 But I would just encourage him to log off, to not look at any of the discussion.

00:16:52.520 He also said this, which caused a lot of disagreement, I would say, especially among Christians, about

00:16:58.420 whether or not this is the right approach to forgiveness.

00:17:02.460 Here's that, too.

00:17:03.360 This is murder.

00:17:05.440 I don't know.

00:17:07.360 I know they have someone in custody.

00:17:09.140 Yes, they do.

00:17:10.000 And you know what?

00:17:11.300 I already forgive this person.

00:17:14.080 Already?

00:17:14.800 Already.

00:17:16.100 God takes care of things.

00:17:17.740 God's going to take care of me.

00:17:19.640 God's going to take care of my family.

00:17:22.240 His mom and his brother, they have a different take on this.

00:17:28.020 Here's top three.

00:17:29.400 I am not like their dad.

00:17:32.200 God, I am so angry at that boy.

00:17:39.660 It's just not fair.

00:17:42.800 That's all I have.

00:17:45.180 I understand.

00:17:46.280 I'd like to say this.

00:17:47.400 I'd like to say this.

00:17:48.980 It's forgave, not forgotten.

00:17:50.980 But I'm not at that point yet to forgive that kid the way he did to my brother.

00:17:54.280 Because, you know, 17 years, my best friend just there and didn't blink of an eye.

00:17:59.460 I lost him.

00:18:01.460 Oh, that sweet boy.

00:18:03.500 I just feel for him so much.

00:18:05.880 Here's my take on this, because a lot of people were mad.

00:18:08.920 How could the father go on there and forgive?

00:18:11.200 There was a story a couple of years, a few years ago now, might have been five years ago,

00:18:15.280 so I can't even remember the names of the people, but it was a white female police officer 0.99

00:18:22.360 who accidentally shot and killed a young black man. 0.88

00:18:26.160 It was a terrible thing.

00:18:28.200 She was definitely in the wrong, but it wasn't some purposeful, malicious incident.

00:18:33.520 And I remember, the name is on the tip of my tongue, but I remember the brother in the

00:18:39.800 courtroom, the brother of the victim, hugged the police officer and held her and said,

00:18:46.740 I forgive you.

00:18:48.080 And a lot of people on the left were upset with him for showing that kind of grace and

00:18:56.060 mercy to her.

00:18:57.100 But it was really a beautiful moment.

00:18:58.740 Here's my take on this, is that both of these reactions right now by the mom and brother

00:19:07.000 and by the dad are okay.

00:19:10.100 I think both of these reactions are okay.

00:19:13.380 I understand where both of them are coming from.

00:19:17.560 I do not think it is correct to say the Christian is called to unconditionally and immediately

00:19:24.080 forgive no matter what.

00:19:25.540 Now, that might be scandalous to say, I don't think that that is the biblical example or the

00:19:31.460 explanation that we are given for Christian forgiveness.

00:19:37.040 So let me explain this a little more.

00:19:40.340 Ephesians 4.32, one of my favorite verses, be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving

00:19:47.340 one another as God in Christ forgave you.

00:19:51.160 So as God in Christ forgave you, obviously God in Christ forgave us a lot.

00:19:58.640 We are born in sin.

00:20:00.220 We are dead in our sin apart from Christ.

00:20:03.000 As Ephesians 2 says, there's nothing we can do to clean ourselves off, to pick ourselves

00:20:08.040 up, to make ourselves worthy or acceptable before God.

00:20:12.080 It was Jesus's perfect sacrifice that wiped our slate clean, that saved us by grace through

00:20:18.800 faith in him.

00:20:19.620 This was a gift, not our own doing, not a result of work so that no one can boast.

00:20:25.840 That's the rest of Ephesians 2, verses 8 through 10.

00:20:29.820 And so how God in Christ forgave us, it was a whole lot for people who completely betrayed

00:20:37.100 him, who were following the prince of the power of the air, who were sons and daughters of

00:20:42.600 disobedience, for God to reach down and to save those who mocked him, who disdained him, who

00:20:49.480 wanted nothing to do with him simply because of his love for us, that is a lot of forgiveness.

00:20:57.040 But we do know that God's forgiveness through Christ comes by grace through faith, and that

00:21:06.860 grace-powered repentance before God is a prerequisite for God's forgiveness.

00:21:15.460 That does not mean that we earn it.

00:21:18.480 That doesn't mean that we are making ourselves acceptable before him on our own through our

00:21:24.560 own efforts.

00:21:25.460 It is powered by the Holy Spirit, but that repentance is a necessary step in forgiveness and ultimately

00:21:32.980 salvation.

00:21:33.900 And so I think that when we read in Matthew 18, Jesus say that you are to forgive, how many

00:21:43.940 times are you to forgive?

00:21:45.700 He answers, Peter, I don't say seven times, but I say to you 77 times.

00:21:53.400 That's Matthew 18, 21, when Peter says, how often will my brother sin against me and I forgive

00:22:00.380 him?

00:22:00.640 Jesus is basically saying, he's not literally saying 77 times, he's like, as many times as

00:22:05.920 it takes.

00:22:07.000 You keep on forgiving.

00:22:08.420 But I think if we read in context, we are not just talking about blanket unconditional forgiveness

00:22:16.180 immediately in every circumstance.

00:22:19.060 We are talking about, within these interpersonal relationships, especially with our fellow Christians,

00:22:26.680 people who are seeking our forgiveness, people who are repenting.

00:22:30.660 If we read the parable directly after Jesus says this, I think we get some clarity.

00:22:36.200 If you start in verse 23, this is kind of long.

00:22:39.300 You probably know this parable already.

00:22:41.960 Therefore, the kingdom of heaven may be compared to a king who wished to settle accounts with

00:22:47.320 his servants.

00:22:48.320 When he began to settle, one was brought to him who owed him 10,000 talents.

00:22:52.540 And since he could not pay, his master ordered him to be sold with his wife and children and

00:22:57.640 all that he had and payment to be made.

00:23:00.300 So the servant fell on his knees, imploring him, have patience with me and I will pay you

00:23:05.540 everything.

00:23:06.460 And out of pity for him, the master of that servant released him and forgave him the debt.

00:23:11.620 But when the same servant went out, he found one of his fellow servants who owed him 100

00:23:16.340 denarii and seizing him, he began to choke him saying, pay what you owe.

00:23:21.940 So his fellow servant fell down and pleaded with him, have patience with me and I will

00:23:25.620 pay you.

00:23:26.400 He refused and went and put him in prison until he should pay the debt.

00:23:30.480 When his fellow servants saw what had taken place, they were greatly distressed and they

00:23:34.700 went and reported to their master all that had taken place.

00:23:37.640 Then his master summoned him and said to him, you wicked servant, I forgave you all that debt

00:23:42.240 because you pleaded with me and should not you have had mercy on your fellow servant as

00:23:46.660 I had mercy on you.

00:23:48.040 And in anger, his master delivered him to the jailers until he should pay all his debt.

00:23:53.020 So also my heavenly father will do to every one of you if you do not forgive your brother

00:23:59.080 from your heart.

00:24:00.720 So Jesus is saying, God had this great mercy on you, forgave you all of your wrongs, your

00:24:08.520 sins, everything you did against him.

00:24:11.160 You now, therefore, have the responsibility to show the same mercy and forgiveness to someone

00:24:18.680 else.

00:24:19.840 You can't be cruel to others who are seeking your forgiveness after God has forgiven you.

00:24:24.900 But we see in this story that the fellow servant that needed that forgiveness and mercy was seeking

00:24:31.220 it, that he was repentant.

00:24:33.540 He was seeking that forgiveness and the other servant should have given it to him.

00:24:38.220 And same at the very beginning, when we see the original servant who ended up being a wicked

00:24:43.820 servant, when he got his debt cleared, he was asking, he was repentant.

00:24:48.900 And so I think it is okay in some cases to withhold forgiveness from someone who is not repentant.

00:24:59.920 Now, let me give a caveat to that because we also read in Ephesians 4 31, let all bitterness and wrath

00:25:07.800 and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you along with all malice.

00:25:14.580 Okay.

00:25:14.880 So even if someone has not repented, even if Carmelo Anthony is proud of what he has done,

00:25:21.620 even if he is not repentant, I still think that the father is right to let go of bitterness and to

00:25:29.000 say the justice system is going to work how it's going to work and God avenges and he's going to

00:25:35.260 take care of me and he's going to take care of the situation and I am letting this go.

00:25:39.580 I will not allow it to make me calloused.

00:25:42.120 I will not allow it to make me hateful.

00:25:44.040 I will not allow it to cause me anxiety and to burden me.

00:25:48.920 I think that that is still correct.

00:25:51.680 And I wonder, and you can let me know what you think about this because I'm still working

00:25:57.180 this out myself.

00:25:57.960 I wonder if it is possible to say, I have not forgiven that person yet, but I have let it

00:26:03.600 go.

00:26:04.260 But I'm not allowing it to crush me anymore.

00:26:07.920 I am not allowing it to make me bitter or resentful because I trust in God's goodness.

00:26:13.760 I trust that he is going to take care of wickedness once and for all.

00:26:18.280 And for you to pray for that person as your enemy and to bless them instead of curse them

00:26:24.980 and to want salvation for them, want redemption for them, want what is best for them.

00:26:30.340 That doesn't mean that you want them to escape justice because earthly justice is instituted

00:26:35.880 by God for our good and for the good of the most vulnerable.

00:26:40.880 I wonder if it's possible to hold all of those things at the same time.

00:26:45.720 You can let me know what you think about that.

00:26:49.720 Obviously, for the Christian, having bitterness and resentment and hatred and not trusting God 0.76

00:26:55.500 to take care of you is really not the option.

00:26:58.520 But even there, I do think that there is a Holy Spirit-powered process that has to happen

00:27:04.640 after situations like this.

00:27:08.280 The reaction to this has just been insane, and it's been very, very sad.

00:27:14.300 Carmelo's dad says that Carmelo was a quote-unquote good kid, emphasizing his positive attributes

00:27:20.420 by noting that he works two jobs, is an A student, and it's pretty typical for parents

00:27:27.800 to defend their kids in situations like this.

00:27:30.540 But he insisted to the New York Post that Carmelo was not the aggressor and not the one

00:27:35.980 who started the altercation that led to the stabbing, suggesting his son was provoked into

00:27:41.560 the violent act, and that's just where we've gone too far.

00:27:45.000 That's just where we've gone too far.

00:27:46.780 There is no witness that says that, yeah, this was justified because it looked like

00:27:54.460 Austin Metcalfe was trying to kill him.

00:27:57.420 This was a disproportionate reaction.

00:28:00.380 It does not matter if Austin Metcalfe said something intimidating to him, was rude to him,

00:28:07.960 cussed at him, and I'm not even saying he did any of these things, but hypothetically,

00:28:12.200 if he had, if he had been aggressive, if he had pulled him up by his backpack, if he had

00:28:16.900 pushed him over, if he had punched him, none of that is a justification for stabbing someone

00:28:21.440 in the heart.

00:28:22.080 That is not an excuse for fatal force.

00:28:25.460 You have to feel, you have to reasonably believe that your life is in danger, that someone is

00:28:33.160 about to take fatal force against you to justify your own fatal force in self-defense.

00:28:39.300 And the fact that we have not only his dad, but as you will see, hundreds, if not thousands

00:28:44.640 of people online saying, well, that's what you get for starting a fight.

00:28:48.540 That's what you get for putting your hands on someone.

00:28:50.820 That's what you get for disrespect.

00:28:53.360 You even have people making up complete total rumors that this guy said the N-word to him.

00:29:00.640 There is absolutely no witness testimony verifying that.

00:29:04.460 It's almost become a meme at this point when something like this happens, when there is

00:29:09.040 a black aggressor against a white person, you always see this rumor start to circulate. 0.85

00:29:12.900 Oh, he must have said the worst thing possible that you can say to a black person without 0.98

00:29:16.420 any evidence whatsoever. 0.89

00:29:17.900 That is a horrible accusation to lodge against a person.

00:29:21.220 And guess what?

00:29:21.880 Even if he had said it, it wouldn't justify this.

00:29:25.080 You know that, right?

00:29:26.620 That it doesn't matter what someone says to you, what someone calls you.

00:29:30.440 That doesn't justify violence, especially fatal violence.

00:29:33.180 It doesn't matter the amount of disrespect you feel.

00:29:36.620 It doesn't matter how rude they were to you that that doesn't justify killing someone

00:29:40.660 ever, no matter what your skin color is.

00:29:44.320 I just want to make sure that we all know that because we can't live as a society if

00:29:48.500 there is one subset of Americans being taught by their parents that, okay, words are never

00:29:54.580 a justification for violence.

00:29:56.140 Murder is absolutely off the table.

00:29:58.780 And you should avoid all forms of physical aggression as long as you possibly can in every circumstance

00:30:06.260 that you possibly can.

00:30:08.660 And physical aggression should only be reserved for certain situations where you have to defend

00:30:13.760 yourself or defend a vulnerable person that is being abused or being assaulted or being

00:30:20.100 seriously endangered in some way.

00:30:23.040 In every other circumstance, you should use your words.

00:30:27.380 Now, you can say, okay, well, Austin Metcalfe should have done that, too.

00:30:30.160 He shouldn't have pulled the backpack.

00:30:31.940 Okay, that's fine.

00:30:33.380 But that's not a justification for murder.

00:30:35.800 Okay, so one subset of Americans is hearing that message from their parents.

00:30:39.480 And if another subset of Americans is hearing, yeah, if you're disrespected, you get yours.

00:30:44.680 If someone says something to you or calls you by a name, it's because of your skin color or

00:30:50.400 it's because of your background or it's because of XYZ and you got to defend yourself.

00:30:57.060 You got to do whatever it takes. 1.00

00:30:59.120 You got to kill them. 1.00

00:30:59.980 You got to get them. 1.00

00:31:00.960 You got to ruin them.

00:31:03.120 This reminds me of Ethan Lemming.

00:31:05.280 Remember this story?

00:31:06.380 This happened in Ohio a couple years ago at LeBron James' school that he established there.

00:31:12.620 There was a white kid that was shooting, like, a water gun with his friends at kids who happened

00:31:20.160 to be black in, like, a parking lot at their school while those kids that were getting shot 0.52

00:31:25.420 with a water gun, it was, like, very obviously a water gun.

00:31:28.480 It didn't look like a real gun.

00:31:30.480 They beat this kid to a pulp until he died.

00:31:34.640 And even when Ethan's friends were saying, stop, stop, like, he's unconscious.

00:31:40.060 Stop.

00:31:40.400 They didn't stop. 1.00

00:31:41.220 They curb stomp dumb. 1.00

00:31:43.280 They beat him to death. 1.00

00:31:46.120 You probably didn't see a whole lot of media outrage about that because apparently they

00:31:50.920 felt disrespected.

00:31:52.620 A disproportionate response is a sign of a lack of impulse control, very often a sign of

00:32:00.660 bad parenting, but definitely like a deep character issue.

00:32:04.440 And if that is true on any systemic level among any kind of person with any kind of skin

00:32:10.280 color, that is a huge threat to the safety of society, okay?

00:32:14.780 So there's no excuse for this going on, despite what some people are saying.

00:32:18.620 We'll get into that in a second.

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00:33:08.700 All right, so we've got this person, Tariq Nasheed.

00:33:17.320 Now, I almost don't even think he's a person, a real human, because he says stuff like this

00:33:22.340 all of the time.

00:33:23.300 But the reason why it's, I think, important to include him is because he riles real people 0.97

00:33:27.400 up with these ridiculous statements.

00:33:29.620 And so he posted two pictures, very strategic pictures. 0.89

00:33:33.460 You've got Carmelo Anthony in his suit and tie.

00:33:37.420 And then, I mean, there are pictures where, I mean, Carmelo Anthony is holding guns.

00:33:42.940 He's, like, flicking off the camera, too.

00:33:46.220 And I'm not saying that that is what makes someone a murderer or makes someone guilty,

00:33:50.920 but I'm just saying strategic choice of picture here.

00:33:54.400 He's got a suit and tie on.

00:33:55.700 And then he's got a picture of the Metcalf brothers, and they are clearly in hunting gear,

00:34:02.060 and they're holding guns.

00:34:03.420 They're in camo.

00:34:04.580 And I guess that's supposed to make us think that they're bad people.

00:34:08.080 I actually saw one commenter say, I saw those brothers in camo knew they were racist and

00:34:14.500 knew Carmelo Anthony was defending himself, which is really sad.

00:34:17.640 But Tariq Nasheed said, a suspected white supremacist named Austin Metcalf, pictured with

00:34:21.980 his twin, allegedly demanded honor student Carmelo Anthony give up his seat like it was the

00:34:26.840 Jim Crow era. 0.61

00:34:28.280 Carmelo defended himself from the alleged threat.

00:34:30.440 The Daniel Penny case set this precedent. 0.96

00:34:32.900 This is so ridiculous.

00:34:33.600 And every single level, Daniel Penny actually did stop a threat. 0.95

00:34:39.920 The person that he was trying to hold back was threatening people on a subway.

00:34:47.160 And so he put him in a headlock until he calmed down.

00:34:50.580 And we all hope for people like Daniel Penny when we are in public places and a dude who

00:34:56.780 is losing his mind is making us feel unsafe.

00:35:00.280 All of us are really hoping that there's a brave, strong man around who is willing to do

00:35:04.960 the right thing.

00:35:05.960 This has nothing to do with that.

00:35:07.420 Austin Metcalf was not a threat to anybody, and he was in the wrong seat.

00:35:11.920 Carmelo Anthony was, according to witness testimony, actually in the wrong seat.

00:35:15.820 And then you've got people, Mike Baggs, whenever white supremacists immediately flood our mentions

00:35:21.300 before the full story is even out, you know something's up.

00:35:23.680 It turns out Austin Metcalf was the aggressor and the black kid, Carmelo Anthony, was defending

00:35:27.800 himself.

00:35:28.440 Again, completely, completely wrong.

00:35:31.540 You've got people comparing this to Kyle Rittenhouse.

00:35:35.220 Again, whatever you think about where Kyle Rittenhouse should have been in Waukesha on that night,

00:35:42.560 he also was defending himself literally against fatal force. 0.98

00:35:47.840 You've got Bishop Talbert Swan, another one of these ridiculous grifters who said, 0.98

00:35:52.240 y'all said 17-year-old Kyle Rittenhouse was justified in killing two people with an AR-15 0.99

00:35:56.580 because he felt threatened.

00:35:58.000 17-year-old Carmelo Anthony was defending himself when he killed Austin Metcalf with a

00:36:03.360 knife.

00:36:03.960 Okay, no, it's different.

00:36:05.620 When you are defending yourself against someone who is armed, who is trying to kill you, that

00:36:11.280 self-defense.

00:36:12.500 When you kill someone because they touched your backpack and told you to move, that's

00:36:16.480 not self-defense.

00:36:17.980 And then I posted a video about how awful this is and that it speaks to so many societal issues

00:36:24.480 that we have parenting problems, violence problems, lack of self-control problems, disrespect culture

00:36:32.600 problems, so many different things.

00:36:34.300 And I posted that video on Instagram and Facebook and I got a ton of comments from people saying

00:36:40.660 things like this.

00:36:42.100 There's a video of twins bullying, bullying brothers jumping him.

00:36:46.660 Okay, the grammar is not great on Facebook.

00:36:50.180 Jumping him and others.

00:36:51.260 You forgot to say they put their hands on him first.

00:36:54.800 Y'all say whatever soothes your soulless soul.

00:36:57.740 What?

00:36:58.280 I don't even know.

00:36:59.400 That's not even true.

00:37:00.160 There's not video of the brothers bullying him.

00:37:03.760 Another person, really, was you there?

00:37:06.500 First learned the truth, talking on something you don't know about.

00:37:09.760 Was you in Frisco, Texas?

00:37:11.320 No.

00:37:11.980 So you saying this is bad, but what you think you're doing is good, but the child had a

00:37:16.780 choice.

00:37:17.180 That was adult's job, not the child. 0.81

00:37:19.000 Why no adult called to handle it?

00:37:20.680 Not that.

00:37:21.340 Okay.

00:37:22.240 I'm actually not trying to make fun of this person.

00:37:25.260 And the thrust of what they're saying is you're blaming a child for doing something and you

00:37:31.820 shouldn't have.

00:37:32.540 Someone else said, stop lying. 0.96

00:37:33.920 Those twins were bullies. 1.00

00:37:35.020 And the young man was defending himself. 0.86

00:37:36.720 Again, not true.

00:37:38.660 Another person, y'all doing a whole lot of assuming over headlines.

00:37:41.520 Witnesses said that Austin was the one putting his hands on Carmelo before it escalated.

00:37:46.320 You're promoting the death penalty and assuming you know what that child's home is like. 0.99

00:37:51.300 You, ma'am, are sick. 0.97

00:37:52.340 I don't know what the child's home was like. 0.88

00:37:54.620 I have no idea what his parent life was.

00:37:57.420 But yeah, I do think that he should be tried as an adult and that the death penalty should

00:38:01.420 be on the table.

00:38:02.500 We read biblically, Genesis 9, that the death penalty is the proportionate and right punishment 0.99

00:38:07.360 for murder.

00:38:09.660 And by the way, I think it can be argued that this was premeditated, possibly.

00:38:13.780 I mean, he brought a knife to attract me.

00:38:15.700 Why would you bring a knife to attract me?

00:38:18.240 Another person, girl, child, carry on.

00:38:20.040 The sins of generations of oppressors.

00:38:21.900 God is judging.

00:38:22.800 If you know, you know.

00:38:23.800 So apparently the argument there is that Austin Metcalfe was murdered because someone who might

00:38:29.440 have looked like him 200 years ago owned slaves.

00:38:33.240 Yeah, that's the biblical definition of justice.

00:38:36.440 We all know that God punishes the current generation for the sins of not just their ancestors, 1.00

00:38:44.520 but someone who might have looked like them a very long time ago.

00:38:49.020 Definitely.

00:38:50.500 Another person, tell the truth.

00:38:52.140 The kid attacked him first.

00:38:53.880 Should he have stabbed him?

00:38:55.700 No. 0.91

00:38:56.580 Okay.

00:38:57.380 He didn't attack him.

00:38:58.900 He didn't attack him.

00:38:59.740 It is very frightening to me that these people, many of these people who probably have kids

00:39:04.160 themselves believe that you can stab someone, murder someone, murder someone, because they

00:39:13.740 touched your backpack, because they pushed you.

00:39:16.980 We can't live in society together if that is how we feel.

00:39:21.000 And I saw someone, because I posted some of the screenshots of these.

00:39:23.880 I posted them on X and I saw someone say, why are you only posting the comments of black

00:39:29.180 women? 1.00

00:39:29.460 I didn't do that on purpose at all.

00:39:32.100 I just screenshotted the comments on my Facebook post.

00:39:37.560 Maybe there are people commenting on my Facebook post who don't fit that demographic.

00:39:43.140 I have no idea.

00:39:44.460 These were just the comments I saw.

00:39:46.500 The fact that they all happen to be black women, I don't know. 1.00

00:39:50.580 Like, I'll let you decide why that is. 0.98

00:39:53.200 It's crazy to me, though, that we would be defending a murderer.

00:39:56.300 I don't know if these people are defending him because of his skin color, because of shared

00:40:00.920 ethnicity, shared melanin count.

00:40:03.740 But that is idolatry. 0.97

00:40:04.920 That is sick. 0.98

00:40:06.060 You cannot think this way, whether you are white or black as a race idolater and still 0.99

00:40:12.180 execute justice. 0.93

00:40:13.780 You can't because justice is blind.

00:40:16.780 Justice is impartial.

00:40:18.600 Justice is truthful.

00:40:19.840 We see that modeled for us throughout scripture.

00:40:22.580 So if you are unable to see right from wrong, if you are unable to see truth from facts because

00:40:28.860 of the skin colors of the perpetrators, of the victims, of the people involved, then you

00:40:35.140 have no business, no business being a part of a society that values freedom and justice.

00:40:42.960 You just don't.

00:40:43.660 You are actually an impediment to justice for all kinds of people.

00:40:46.920 I mean, that is why our justice system works.

00:40:50.400 It's not perfect because it's made up of fallible people, but because we believe in this unique

00:40:56.140 concept that justice must be blind, that it must not be a respecter of persons, that we

00:41:02.980 should not be prosecuting people or sentencing people based on their background, based on

00:41:07.800 their skin color.

00:41:08.580 Unfortunately, though, that is what social justice ideology teaches, because social justice and

00:41:14.400 actual justice are not the same.

00:41:16.880 They're very different.

00:41:17.800 Social justice says you should weigh someone's skin color.

00:41:20.540 You should weigh their socioeconomic background.

00:41:23.460 You should weigh whether or not their parents or grandparents or great-grandparents may have

00:41:28.160 been oppressed or may have been oppressors.

00:41:31.080 And if you're making all of those calculations, you're never going to get to an actual just

00:41:36.280 equitable conclusion.

00:41:38.200 You should read Quest for Cosmic Justice by Thomas Sowell.

00:41:42.140 You'll understand it.

00:41:43.460 So there is a GoFundMe or was a GoFundMe for Carmelo Anthony, support Carmelo Anthony's

00:41:49.480 legal defense.

00:41:51.080 But thankfully, GoFundMe reportedly took down the fundraiser.

00:41:54.800 And now there's a GiveSend Go.

00:41:56.280 Someone named Malcolm X is King to Me on X posted a screenshot, an old screenshot of the

00:42:02.220 GiveSend Go.

00:42:02.760 The whites are in shambles because we took care of our own. 1.00

00:42:07.860 See, this is the kind of like April Thompson was saying yesterday. 0.98

00:42:10.800 She calls it ethnic narcissism.

00:42:12.900 This kind of ethnic narcissism blinds you to reality and morality. 1.00

00:42:16.480 It always will, no matter what your skin color is. 1.00

00:42:20.480 And it's very sad.

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00:43:53.560 Okay, so Matt Walsh said this.

00:44:02.660 He just came out and said it in response to all of this.

00:44:05.380 And this has 173,000 likes, or at least when we got the screenshot it did.

00:44:09.740 It probably has more than that now.

00:44:11.780 And it had over 7,000 comments.

00:44:14.520 And Matt Walsh is always just going to say it.

00:44:16.500 Like he's always going to say what he's thinking.

00:44:18.540 He's always going to say it in the clearest terms, and there's just a lot to appreciate about that.

00:44:22.340 He said, if I told you that a young man stabbed another young man to death for telling him that he was in the wrong seat, and then I told you that one young man in this altercation was white and the other black.

00:44:32.520 And then I asked you to guess the race of the assailant.

00:44:34.620 Every single person would know the answer immediately. 0.99

00:44:37.320 Young black males are violent to a wildly, outrageously disproportionate degree. 1.00

00:44:41.500 That's just a fact. 1.00

00:44:42.660 We all know it.

00:44:43.580 And it's time that we speak honestly about it, or nothing will ever change.

00:44:50.680 So this is actually true.

00:44:53.680 It is a very uncomfortable truth.

00:44:55.820 And maybe you could argue that this is not relevant to what happened with Carmelo Anthony and Austin Metcalf, that this could have happened between any two people.

00:45:05.900 Maybe this Carmelo Anthony kid doesn't have a history of violence at all.

00:45:10.540 But when the conversation is almost always that the white person is in the wrong, that they had what was coming to them, that they must have been racist, or if the roles are reversed, that it must have been motivated by white supremacy, you're going to have people out there trying to set the record straight factually.

00:45:30.720 And the reality is that this is true.

00:45:33.840 We have a very small portion of the population.

00:45:36.120 I think black men make up about probably 6% of the population.

00:45:41.640 If black Americans are 13% of the population, then black men would probably be about half of that.

00:45:46.960 So you've got 6% of the population that account for 40% to 50% of all homicides in this country. 0.85

00:45:53.960 And it's actually less than that because obviously not every black American man is going to be a murderer.

00:46:00.880 So you're looking at probably like 3% or less of the population accounting for a huge percentage of the homicides in this country.

00:46:10.880 And actually, you wouldn't know it by the media coverage that we have.

00:46:15.220 But according to FBI data, homicide data from 2019, it is a black person is 2.3 times more likely to kill a white person than the reverse.

00:46:26.100 And yet, if you look at the media coverage, you will only see the races of the people involved when there is a white perpetrator and a black victim.

00:46:36.200 The Washington Free Beacon noted this, they said, according to a review by the Washington Free Beacon done in 2022, analyzing articles published between 2019 and 2021, a white offenders race was mentioned in roughly one out of every four articles compared with one in 17 articles about a black offender.

00:46:59.840 And so the reason why there was so much backlash to what Matt Walsh said, of course, there are some people out there who think that you can't say anything negative at all about a black person without it being white supremacist or racist or bigoted or wrong.

00:47:14.540 But also, the reason why there was such pushback is because people don't believe that that's true.

00:47:22.020 They don't believe the statistics bear that out when it actually is statistically true, even according to hate crime data, which Matt Walsh notes, which I'm not even sure is reliable because I don't think the FBI really has any motivation to properly report on this.

00:47:42.500 But it is far more likely for a black person to commit a crime against a white person of that nature than the other way around, even though white people make up about 60 percent of the population and black Americans make up about 13 percent of the population.

00:48:00.480 So when he says, yeah, there's a disproportionate violence problem among those who happen to be black, that is actually statistically and factually true. 1.00

00:48:09.800 Now, they are most likely black Americans are most likely to kill black Americans, white Americans most likely to kill white Americans. 0.99

00:48:17.440 Same with Hispanic Americans, only demographic that that is not true for Asian Americans are most likely to be killed not by another Asian, but actually by a black person. 0.98

00:48:28.520 Again, that is remarkable considering that they are such a small portion of the population.

00:48:33.280 That is a very uncomfortable truth.

00:48:35.720 No one should take joy in talking about that.

00:48:38.200 Maybe you could argue that's not the time and the place that's not relevant here again, but it is actually true. 0.97

00:48:44.360 And if we care about black lives, like if we care about our communities who are filled with all different kinds of people, if we care about our children, we should care about that fact.

00:48:53.840 The facts actually do matter.

00:48:56.080 The statistics actually do matter.

00:48:57.800 And we should be asking why.

00:48:59.840 What is going on?

00:49:00.920 And there are people.

00:49:02.120 I'm certainly not the first person to say that.

00:49:03.900 But beyond just, well, it's probably white Republicans, like it's probably just this abstract issue of white supremacy.

00:49:14.280 I promise you nothing will ever, ever, ever get done or ever get better if that is the direction that we always go.

00:49:22.300 Jason Whitlock pointed this out.

00:49:24.180 Of course, he got a lot of applause, but also a lot of pushback. 0.96

00:49:26.840 Jason says, unfortunately, black Americans have been brainwashed into the demonic black culture religion established by Hollywood and the music industry. 0.91

00:49:35.580 I don't know what you think about that, if you think that is, if you think that's true.

00:49:39.400 But Jason Whitlock talks about this a lot.

00:49:41.780 And obviously, as someone who grew up in, quote unquote, black culture himself, it would seem like he knows a little bit about it.

00:49:50.340 No matter what, no matter what races were involved, this is absolutely a tragedy.

00:49:55.760 Some people are like, don't just pray for Austin Metcalfe's family.

00:49:59.100 Pray for Anthony Carmelo's too.

00:50:00.640 And obviously, I agree with that.

00:50:02.120 Please, like pray for their comfort, but pray that they would see truth.

00:50:06.840 Pray that justice would be carried out here.

00:50:09.200 Pray somehow for God to be glorified and pray somehow for revival and awakening in all of our hearts that we would all be pursuing goodness and do a better job of raising our kids.

00:50:21.420 To not be like this, to not make this kind of decision.

00:50:25.820 It's very sad.

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00:51:44.500 And we will talk about tariffs with my dad tomorrow.

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Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - April 08, 2025

Ep 1168 ｜ Should Austin Metcalf’s Dad Forgive His Murderer？

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