Ep 1173 ｜ Speaking in Tongues or Muttering Nonsense？ The Truth About the Viral TikTok Video
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In this episode of Relatable, we discuss whether or not speaking in tongues should be something that Christians should be doing, and if so, how should we do it. We also hear about Carmelo Anthony's release from jail, and the donations that have been raised for him are being used for some sketchy purposes.
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Speaking in tongues, should this be something that Christians do? If so, how should we do it?
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I posted about this on social media and got a firestorm of responses. Some very angry,
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some in agreement. I will be addressing that thoroughly today. And Carmelo Anthony, he is
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out of jail after murdering a young man a couple weeks ago, and the donations that have been raised
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for him are being used, allegedly, for some very sketchy purposes. We've got all of this
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Hey guys, and welcome to Relatable. Happy Wednesday. Hope everyone is having a wonderful week so far.
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All right. We're going to talk about speaking in tongues today. This is, as when we talked about
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the anointing oil subject, some OG relatable content. Back in the day when we were only doing
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two or three episodes a week, we always had an episode that was dedicated to a theological subject,
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or we did a most misused series where we analyzed and broke down a verse that is
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very decontextualized in pop culture or by a lot of cultural Christians like Philippians 4.13 or
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Jeremiah 29.11. We haven't abandoned those. It's just that we now try to interweave theology and
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scripture into our discussions about culture and politics rather than reserving an entire episode
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for that. But today, we are reserving at least a large portion or maybe a portion. I don't know how
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large it will be and how long I will talk to a purely theological subject. It doesn't tie into the
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news or something that's going on in the culture necessarily, but it is certainly something that is
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going on in the church and it is being displayed on social media. And that is speaking in tongues or
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saying that you are speaking in tongues and then posting it on places like Instagram or TikTok.
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And I played one of these viral videos that I saw going around on Instagram and I responded to it
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with scripture explaining why I think how this is being done on social media is not biblical at all and
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it's actually very dangerous spiritually for those that are viewing it. So let me show you this video
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Okay, I don't know about you, but I get a very deep pit in my stomach when I'm watching that.
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I am extremely uneasy viewing that kind of content. So even apart from what the Bible says about
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praying publicly like this for the sake of sharing it on social media, just right away, deep conviction.
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What I think is conviction as I discern that this is just not right. This is just not right.
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Powered by the Holy Spirit because the Holy Spirit is always going to be in agreement with God's word,
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right? Father, Son, Holy Spirit, all equal persons in the Trinity. They never contradict each other.
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They never disagree. The entirety of the Bible is God's infallible, inerrant word.
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So how God tells us to pray, the regulations and restrictions he puts around prayer. The Holy Spirit
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is also saying and agreeing to as well. So the Holy Spirit is never going to compel someone to do something
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that the Bible says not to do. And if you're wondering specifically what I'm talking about, what does the Bible say about this?
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Well, I am going to tell you today some of it you may have already heard if you watched my video in response
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to this, but I will give a more thorough rebuttal. First of all, I just want to say my own personal
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observations is that that doesn't actually sound like a language. That sounds like gibberish said in a rhythmic
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manner. There was a timer on the screen. If you're just listening to this, that was supposed to show how long she'd been
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praying. I'm not sharing this person's name or account because this really isn't about her or
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wanting to attack her, but it is giving a public response to a public post in the hopes that I can
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offer clarity in the place of the confusion that I think a post like this causes. And so it does seem
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to me, while I don't know the intentions of her heart, it does seem to me that this is a performance that
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is posted on Instagram in order to maybe get likes or maybe it is for attention. Maybe it's not for
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those things. Maybe she believes that she is actually showing other people how to pray or encouraging
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other people. And yet what she is doing just doesn't correspond with the biblical directives that we
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are given. And no matter what you believe about spiritual gifts, we'll get into kind of all of
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that and continuationism versus cessationism. Whether you are a charismatic or whether you are reformed like
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I am, we should all be able to watch a video like this and agree that filming yourself and posting it for
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the world to see doesn't match what Jesus says in Matthew 6, 5 through 6. He says,
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When you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. And so here, he's probably talking about people
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like the Pharisees. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners
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that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you pray,
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go into your room and shut the door and pray to your father who is in secret. And your father who sees
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in secret will reward you. Now, does this mean that you can never pray in public? I don't think
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so. We read elsewhere in scripture, like in 1 Timothy 2, 8, that we should pray in every place. I don't
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think it's wrong for a pastor to pray on stage at the end of a sermon. I don't think it's wrong for us
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to pray for each other out loud in Bible study. Again, we read in different places in scripture that we
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should be praying for one another. I think it's edifying, yes, to pray out loud for each other.
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But it seems to me that the point, if we look at the context of what Jesus is saying and to whom he's
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speaking, his point is that prayer should not be a performance for others. It isn't something that
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we do to prove ourselves, to prove ourselves holy or to get likes or to get affirmation.
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That shouldn't even be on the list of reasons we are praying or praying in public. Now, again,
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maybe that's not the intention of the woman who posted this, but if it wasn't, if it truly was
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for the edification of the body of Christ, it is still unbiblical because for one reason,
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one of several reasons, I believe, no one can understand her. No one can understand her.
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1 Corinthians 14 is replete with directions for speaking in tongues because what do we know about
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God? If you've been listening to this podcast for any amount of time, you've heard me say over and
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over again what we see throughout scripture from the beginning to the end, that God is a God of order.
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He cares about how things are done. He cares about how he is worshiped. You can go back and you can
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listen to or watch the episode I did a few weeks ago on anointing oils. And this is a principle that
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we repeated in that episode as well, that God actually cares about how we pray. He cares about
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how we worship and how we sing. And yes, there is some liberty. There is some freedom in that. But
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again, this is a principle that we see affirmed throughout scripture in both the Old Testament
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and the New. That orderliness is something that glorifies him and is also a gift to us as his
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people. It's a gift to nations. It's also a gift specifically to churches and also to families.
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God placed us in a garden, not in a jungle. The difference between those is that one is cultivated
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orderly. It has borders. It has a system and a jungle is not. So again, so many different examples I
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could give you of that. 1 Corinthians 14 is another example of God's orderliness, the orders
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that he gives the church. So if you are a continuationist, if you believe that spiritual
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gifts like prophecy, speaking, the laying on of hands for healing continue to this day versus a
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cessationist who believes that these spiritual gifts mostly ceased after the apostles, you are still
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So in 1 Corinthians 14, Paul says this, and I won't read the entire chapter, but you should read
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the entire chapter because it's all relevant to this conversation. But verse 9, he says,
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If with your tongue you utter speech that is not intelligible, how will anyone know what is said?
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Verse 13 and 16 through 19 says this, Therefore, one who speaks in a tongue should pray that he may
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interpret. Otherwise, if you give thanks with your spirit, how can anyone in the position of an
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outsider say amen to your thanksgiving when he does not know what you are saying? For you may be giving
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thanks well enough, but the other person is not being built up. I thank God that I speak in tongues
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more than all of you. I mean, just right there. He says it. He's like, I'm glad that I can do this
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more than y'all can because y'all are messing this up. Nevertheless, he says, in church, I would
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rather speak five words with my mind in order to instruct others than 10,000 words in a tongue.
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So he's saying, if you are praying publicly like this person is, and you don't have an interpreter
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for the tongues that you are speaking, then no one who is listening to you is being edified.
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You are just saying what sounds like nonsense into the air, and you are not actually offering
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instruction or encouragement or admonishment to those who are listening. Verse 23,
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If therefore the whole church comes together and all speak in tongues, and outsiders or unbelievers
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enter, will they not say that you are out of your minds? So if there's no one there to interpret,
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will people who are not believers listen to this? And will they be built up? Will they be
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drawn to the church? Or will they not say these people are insane? Verses 26 through 28,
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let all things be done for building up. I think that's a really important principle here.
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Let all things be done for building up. If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most
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three, and each in turn, so not talking over each other, and let someone interpret. But if there's no
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one to interpret, let each of them keep silent in church and speak to himself and to God.
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Okay? It's pretty clear. I had some people comment on my video. The reason I'm talking about this,
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I guess I didn't say this in the beginning, is because, oh my gosh, I got so many comments
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on that video where I read from 1 Corinthians 14, where I read from the passage in Matthew, Matthew 6,
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a commenter saying that I was so far off that I was completely wrong that it was even not gracious
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of me or not kind of me to offer a public response to a public video. And instead of getting a biblical
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contention or biblical rebuttals to the biblical references that I quoted, it was statements like,
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prayers and tongues go directly to the throne room of God. Which, what? That's not a biblical concept.
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All of us in Christ who are praying through Jesus, all of our prayers go directly to God.
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There's not some special access or VIP pass that is granted to you when you are speaking in tongues.
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I had some people comment and say that none of this chapter applies to this post at all because
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she's not in the local church. She's an individual praying in private, but she's not praying in private,
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actually. She's broadcasting the prayer, supposedly to encourage believers. So this is not the biblical
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way to do it. And this chapter is really clear about that. And all of this matters for the very
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reason that Paul says it matters because it looks like drunken nonsense to unbelievers. We don't expect
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non-Christians to understand or agree with all Christians say or do, but we don't intentionally
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turn them away either by seeming insane. Let's go deeper on this though. Say this person had not
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posted this on social media. Is this what praying in tongues should look like privately or even say
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in the context of the local church? I'm not even getting into the question yet of whether we as
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Christians should expect to speak in tongues. We'll just assume for a second that we should,
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that we should be expecting to speak in tongues. Is this what speaking in tongues should actually
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look like and mean? So let's go to the first place where we actually read about speaking in tongues.
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Acts 2, at the day of Pentecost, the Holy Spirit filled the believers in Jerusalem and verse 4,
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they quote, began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance. The Greek here for
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tongues that is used in this passage is glossa, which can be translated into languages. So not
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babbling, but languages. And that's what was happening here. These Christians were supernaturally
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able to speak languages that they did not previously know how to speak. We read in verses 7 through 11
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that Jews in Jerusalem heard them and wondered, quote, are not all these people who are speaking
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Galileans? And how is it that we hear each of us in his own native language? Parthians and Medes and
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Elamites and et cetera, et cetera. We hear them telling in our own tongues the mighty works of God.
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So these people at Pentecost were not speaking gibberish. They were speaking actual languages for
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the purpose of sharing the gospel with people who spoke that language. Now, when Paul is speaking to
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the Christians in Corinth, some believe that he seems to be talking about a different version of
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speaking in tongues, and there's debate over that, but one that's not only for the purpose of evangelism,
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but for the building up of the church specifically, which is why an interpreter is needed. Is it possible
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that this version of speaking in tongues isn't necessarily in an earthly language? So the kind that he's
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talking about in 1 Corinthians 14 for the local church, since it wasn't ostensibly to reach others
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who speak another language than them, that is possible, I guess. I don't think so. I don't think
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we see evidence of the idea of Christians repeating gibberish over and over again. Some would call this
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a heavenly language that's referred to in 1 Corinthians 13.1. I don't think that's what 1 Corinthians 13.1
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is referring to. I think he's almost just using a literary device, hyperbole, to say,
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even if I speak in the tongues of men and angels but have not love, I am a noisy gong. I don't think
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he is actually speaking literally about some kind of gibberish-sounding heavenly language there. So
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I just don't think we see any biblical evidence of Christians needing to repeat what sounds like
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babbling over and over again as a sign of the presence of the Holy Spirit. So now the question
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is, should Christians expect to see as commonplace, speaking in tongues, foretelling, prophesying that's
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different than foretelling? So foretelling, being able to say what is going to happen in the future
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with 100% accuracy because it comes from God. That doesn't mean a full picture of the future because
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we know that we could be prophesying in part, but it has to be accurate. It can't be wrong if it is
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from the Holy Spirit. And that's different than foretelling prophecy, which might be that God has
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given you the ability to say true things based on the truth of Scripture in a way that people can
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really understand and convict them. So should we expect as Christians to be able to prophesy in a
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foretelling way, should we be able to expect as commonplace the laying on of hands for miraculous
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healing? Continuationists, as I said earlier, say, yes, we are on the same apostolic mission,
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they would say, as the early church. All that they did and could do, we do and can do. Now,
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cessationists say no. The purpose of those gifts was for the apostolic age to authenticate the gospel
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at that time, and they would say that the need for those gifts has ended. Cessationists do believe,
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of course, that God can still do those things. He can do anything he chooses, but cessationists don't
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believe that God promises to grant all believers these abilities today or that they are a validation
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of saving faith. There are Bible-believing Christians in both camps. Both use Scripture to back up their
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positions. So is this a salvation issue? I don't think so. No. Now, I do think that charismatics
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tend, not always, but tend to wade into anti-biblical territory. I simply have not seen—I have not seen—that
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doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I have not seen these gifts of the Spirit practiced in the orderly
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manner that the Bible calls for. Now, maybe that could be happening in local charismatic churches
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across the country, and I just don't know about it because I don't go to those churches, and because
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they're doing it the right way, they're not displaying it on social media, they're not,
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you know, telecasting it everywhere, and I am totally open to that. But when we do see these
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public displays and public testimonies of what goes on in many Pentecostal, hyper-charismatic
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churches throughout the country, this stuff is not being done in accordance with Scripture. And again,
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if that is the case, then it's not really the Holy Spirit, because the Holy Spirit will never compel
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you to do something or say something that is in disagreement with God's Word. And so that,
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to me, is part of why the continuationist argument is less compelling. That's part of why.
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And I won't even get into my whole biblical response to kind of like both camps of arguments
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on continuationist versus cessationist. I just see charismatic theology at times easily veering in
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to the mystical and the new age, the prosperity gospel, name it and claim it health and wealth.
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I declare this. I prophesy that it can very quickly veer into chaos when it is unchecked by Scripture.
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And that's a really important caveat, because there are charismatics that I know and follow who
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love God's Word and do believe in the continuation of the gifts of the Spirit, but they love God's Word.
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And so they are bound by God's Word, even as they believe in that kind of manifestation of the Holy
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Spirit. Likewise, conversely, rather, Reformed theology can veer into rigid legalism. Like,
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we just love the Bible. We love exactly what it says. We love to memorize it. We love to apply it.
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We love theology. We love apologetics. But it can veer into rigid legalism if the letter of the Bible
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is being understood without understanding the Spirit, its intent. And so both camps have their
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vulnerabilities. You kind of know where I stand on that. But what is really important is this principle
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here in 1 Corinthians 14, 33, for God is not a God of confusion, but of peace. And that is why
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He grants us so graciously the clarity and the order that we see in His Word. So no matter what camp you
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are in, make sure that you are grounding your feet, that you are guiding your eyes to what the Bible
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All right. We debated over whether we would talk about King of Kings today, the new animated movie,
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or whether we would give an update on Carmelo Anthony. A lot of you have been asking me to
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talk about King of Kings and what I think about it, but I don't feel fully prepared. Bree is fully
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prepared, and I know that you care about her opinion too, but I wanted to make sure that I had
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enough to bring to the table, and so I will give you my thoughts, but it's going to be next week at
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this point because tomorrow we've got Sean McDowell on, and we'll be talking about theology and apologetics and
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all kinds of good stuff tomorrow, but I just want to make sure that I'm fully prepared to bring my
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best to the table when it comes to that and give you my thoughts on it, so we'll probably be doing
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that on Tuesday. So instead, we are going to talk about Carmelo Anthony, and we talked about this case
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a little bit after it happened. This is local to the town that I grew up in outside of Dallas,
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and it's a tragic situation. You've got two 17-year-old high school boys, runners. They were
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at a track meets, and Carmelo Anthony was in a tent for Memorial High School. There were tents set up
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for the different teams corresponding with the different high schools, and Carmelo was under the
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wrong tent, and so Austin Metcalf, he said, you know, you're in the wrong tent, and this is according to
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the witness testimony of a lot of people who were there, and he said, hey, you're in the wrong tent.
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Can you please, I don't know if he said please, but can you get up and move? Carmelo Anthony,
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according to witness testimony, refused and said, make me, and also said, don't touch me. Well, Austin
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Metcalf decided that he was going to try to make him by grabbing his backpack and pulling him out of the
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seat, and when he did that, Carmelo Anthony reached in his backpack and got a knife and stabbed Austin
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Metcalf in the heart, murdering him, and Austin's brother, Hunter, has given very emotional testimony
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in a couple interviews. He held his twin brother as he died, tried to stop the bleeding. He says that
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he watched his brother's soul leave his body. I mean, can you imagine the bond they have? They
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shared a womb together. They took their first breath together, and then his brother took his
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final breath in his arms. I mean, just a tragic situation. Police reported when they arrested
00:27:59.940
Carmelo Anthony, they referred to him as a suspect, and Carmelo Anthony said, it's not allegedly,
00:28:06.540
I did it, and also asked if he would be able to use self-defense, and if you want to go and listen
00:28:13.620
to some of the reaction to that and what some people on social media were saying, what some
00:28:20.880
commentators were saying, then you can go listen to that. I've done a couple of videos on it as well
00:28:25.760
on social media. It's really sad how many people have been defending Carmelo Anthony, trying to say
00:28:31.160
that this was self-defense. It was not self-defense. Carmelo Anthony felt disrespected. He didn't fear
00:28:38.140
for his life. There was no reason for him to fear for his life. You have to fear serious bodily harm
00:28:44.160
or fear for your life to take fatal action. You can't just be bullied. You can't just feel
00:28:52.100
disrespected. There were all these rumors flying around that Austin Metcalf called him names. It doesn't
00:28:57.280
matter. It doesn't matter what he said, and that's not even true. It's not verified by any eyewitness
00:29:02.780
testimony anyway. It's just people trying to turn this into a race war, and it really is crazy how
00:29:09.840
many people either on the left or who happen to have more melanin, not everyone, but that's just how
00:29:15.360
it's broken down, who are defending Carmelo Anthony, and it really shouldn't be like that. We should all be
00:29:21.220
impartial. We should realize that Lady Justice is blind. We should look at the facts of the case. That's
00:29:25.540
biblical justice, by the way. I read you some of the comments and posts from people who are defending
00:29:30.280
him. It is insane. You are morally blind. You are morally blind if you do not see that this is a
00:29:38.160
clear-cut case of murder that is in no way justified or defensible whatsoever, okay? And I think that his
00:29:45.420
trial will actually prove that, and he's going to spend a very long time in prison, which is good, but
00:29:49.780
right now he's out of jail. And his bond has been lowered from $1 million to $250,000. And thanks to
00:29:56.700
funds that his family raised via Gibson to go, he was able to make bail and get out of jail. And a lot
00:30:04.280
of people are understandably saying, what the heck? He's literally a cold-blooded murderer. Why is he out
00:30:09.580
of jail? So let me back up and give you a little bit more information. So he was released from jail
00:30:15.660
Monday, April 14th, after his bond was lowered from $1 million to a quarter of a million dollars.
00:30:20.860
His release comes with strict conditions, including house arrest and ankle monitor, weekly check-ins,
00:30:25.980
no social media use, no trial date has been announced yet. Okay, so people have a lot of
00:30:33.780
questions about why the heck the judge lowered this bond. What is going on here? What was the motivation
00:30:39.500
behind it? Here's that too. Okay, so he was released. And then there was a picture that was posted by
00:31:08.140
someone named Minister Dominique Alexander. He is the founder and president of the Next Generation
00:31:13.020
Action Network. He posted a picture of himself and Carmelo saying that Carmelo's release on bond was
00:31:22.580
a victory for justice, for family, and for the power of people coming together to protect our youth.
00:31:29.820
That is sick. That is nasty. That is absolutely morally depraved. This person stole the future
00:31:37.960
of guilt, an image bearer of God because he felt disrespected or because he didn't like being
00:31:44.280
touched because he said, make me. And apparently that's some legal loophole for murdering someone.
00:31:51.180
You know, kids get in fights all the time. I'm not saying it's right. I'm not saying you should
00:31:55.160
lay hands on someone. I just want you to know that that is not a legal or moral justification for
00:31:59.940
murdering someone. I'm just trying to keep you safe out there, okay? Anyone who is watching this case
00:32:04.980
and is like, yeah, if I say make me and someone touches me, well, then I can kill them. That's
00:32:12.240
not going to fly. I just want you to know that if you use that as the justification, you will be
00:32:17.420
spending the rest of your life in prison. Don't do it. But some people are rejoicing, saying that this
00:32:25.340
is good that he's out. And it's such a weird picture. Even if you do believe that this is self-defense,
00:32:30.580
even if you believe this, there's no reason to pose for a picture. There's no reason for this
00:32:36.620
guy, Minister Dominique, to be smiling in this picture. That's weird. A photo op to post on X?
00:32:43.760
There's a 17-year-old that's murdered. You should be sad about that. You should be traumatized that you
00:32:49.940
took a man's life. And apparently Carmelo did have a history of different kinds of altercations in the
00:32:55.600
past, which is very sad. This organization that Minister Dominique Alexander is in charge of,
00:33:02.880
they say their mission is to lobby for social change and equality for all, regardless of race,
00:33:07.780
religion, nationality, gender, sex, or age. And of course, that's not true. It is to show partiality
00:33:12.460
towards those who have more melanin, even when they've committed murder. Alexander, this guy,
00:33:18.880
is serving as a family advocacy representative and spokesperson for the Anthony family during the
00:33:25.100
legal process. His role includes advocating for a fair trial, addressing misinformation,
00:33:30.420
raising concerns about the investigation and threats to the Anthony family. Let me tell you right
00:33:34.960
now, because first of all, I will say Carmelo does deserve a fair trial. We see that modeled in
00:33:41.400
scripture, okay? So yes, even the accused deserves a fair trial. I will just say to the family, who I'm
00:33:50.520
sure is super sad about this and very traumatized themselves to Carmelo's family, fire this dude.
00:33:56.820
Fire this dude. This looks awful. If I were a parent in this situation, I would say there is no chance in
00:34:05.120
hell that you are posting a picture smiling with my child who has just been accused of murder,
00:34:10.620
who just stabbed a guy in the heart. This looks horrible. This guy has consistently expressed
00:34:16.580
solidarity with BLM. Again, this just means that he doesn't actually believe in biblical impartial
00:34:23.920
justice. Collin County District Judge Angela Tucker claimed that her decision was to lower the bond
00:34:31.640
from $1 million to $250,000. It was based on the law, the Constitution. She also took into account,
00:34:37.940
she says, Carmelo's age, lack of prior criminal record, community ties, the family's financial
00:34:43.760
situation, given that the defense argued that the $1 million bond would place undue burden on the
00:34:50.820
family. Okay, so his defense lawyers went to this judge and said, this is undue burden. Please lower it
00:34:57.020
so he can get out of jail. So you got a lot of people assuming that this judge, Angela Tucker,
00:35:03.540
made this decision based on social justice race reasons. She herself is black. So people are just
00:35:09.400
kind of posting her picture and being like, you know why she did this. And while I do disagree with
00:35:16.160
this, I mean, this guy is a murderer. He does seem like he is a threat to his community. And I don't
00:35:21.300
think he should have been let out of jail. I also can't assume that this judge is doing this based on
00:35:28.520
social justice. I mean, at first, when I saw this, I didn't even know who the judge was. I felt this is
00:35:33.300
mob justice. This is a judge responding to the demands of social media, the demands of the public,
00:35:41.660
rather than just looking at the facts and seeing that this is a person, this is a cold-blooded
00:35:47.600
murder that shouldn't be allowed in society, making everyone else vulnerable. But I don't know that
00:35:55.980
that's true. I mean, this is a judge who was appointed by a Republican. The Collin County
00:36:02.700
Republican Party has consistently endorsed her. She was appointed, like I said, by Greg Abbott.
00:36:09.300
She has served as the judge of the Texas 199th District Court since 2012. So I don't know. She
00:36:17.540
says, again, that her motivation had to do with age, with the lack of threat that she felt that he posed.
00:36:25.980
So I don't know. I don't know the fullness of her motivations behind that. But there were some
00:36:32.720
interesting details that came out in this bond hearing about the money that the family has raised
00:36:42.440
via GiveSendGo and what it is actually being used for. It seems like it might have been used to pay for
00:36:50.900
a new expensive house in a gated community and a brand new car. And if that is the case, then
00:36:57.520
this whole thing is grifting and dancing upon the grave of an innocent young man who did not deserve
00:37:06.880
to die. And that is the lowest of the low. If you have any sympathy for that, if you are a part of that
00:37:13.060
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So during the bond hearing, there were some questions about the give-send-go money that has
00:38:31.420
been raised for Carmelo Anthony. And yes, almost $500,000 has been raised for Carmelo Anthony's
00:38:39.080
family. Why? Why would someone donate to the family of a murderer? I don't understand. It's
00:38:47.120
just because race is involved. I mean, that's what it is. It's just because there is toxic empathy
00:38:52.320
because this person is seen as on the side of the oppressed because he's Black, even though in the
00:38:59.200
situation, he was clearly the oppressor. That's what's going on here. It is toxic empathy. If you
00:39:04.060
want to understand why your friends tend to have more sympathy and empathy for criminals and for
00:39:10.140
violent perpetrators and the victims of those crimes, then you should read my book, Toxic Empathy,
00:39:14.260
and you can read the chapter specifically on social justice. It might be well-meaning, but ultimately,
00:39:19.300
it is extremely unjust and destructive. So during this bond hearing, the first assistant district
00:39:25.540
attorney Bill Worski, he asked about this give-send-go money. Is it being used to get Carmelo
00:39:31.800
out of jail? It seems like it's being used for other things. Andrew Anthony explained that the funds
00:39:36.980
could not be immediately accessed. That's his father, Carmelo Anthony's father. He also said that
00:39:43.420
the funds would be used, this is according to the Dallas Morning News, to relocate to a new house and to
00:39:51.360
pay for security measures. Defense attorney Mike Howard also clarified that the funds would be
00:39:56.780
needed for Anthony's long-term legal defense and family support. Also during the bond hearing,
00:40:05.460
Andrew Anthony disclosed that the fundraiser money had already been allocated for relocating to a new
00:40:13.040
house. They're renting a house. I think I said earlier that they bought a new house, but they are
00:40:18.060
renting a new house in a gated community, a pretty expensive house in an exclusive community. Other
00:40:26.360
neighbors are saying it looks like they just bought a really nice new sedan. It's got new tags
00:40:32.220
on it. And either this was bought by the money in Gibson Go, which I'm a little bit confused about that
00:40:41.900
because he's simultaneously saying that, okay, we can't access it right away, but also apparently is
00:40:48.540
using it to move and to possibly be getting a new car. And if they say, oh no, the new car is not
00:40:57.540
because of this money. Well, that's also confusing because he said in this bond hearing, the father
00:41:03.120
said, you know, we're tied on cash. I'm the sole breadwinner. I've had to take extended leave from my
00:41:07.740
job. That was part of the reason why the bond was lowered to $250,000. And so there's just a lot
00:41:13.300
of confusion going on here about how these funds are actually being used. And again, there shouldn't
00:41:18.960
be any funds, like there shouldn't be any donated funds. There just shouldn't. Does he have a right
00:41:23.720
to a fair trial? 100%. Anything other than that is basically a reward for murdering someone. And that
00:41:31.260
is backwards. It should also be noted that the Gibson Go only said that the money was to, quote,
00:41:39.180
support Carmelo and his family during this challenging and difficult time. It didn't
00:41:43.540
actually specify how the money was going to be used. It's not just for a legal defense. And so I guess
00:41:49.400
they were kind of clear or unclear purposely about that from the beginning. And then, of course, there's
00:41:55.300
been backlash to all of this going around this news circulating on acts the past couple of days. And
00:42:02.740
they updated, the family updated on their Gibson Go this. They said, quote, while legal defense is a
00:42:10.900
critical part of this journey, we want to make it clear that this fund is not solely dedicated to legal
00:42:15.300
expenses. Okay. The funds raised will also support a range of urgent and necessary needs that have
00:42:22.320
emerged as a result of the situation, including, but not limited to, the safe relocation of the
00:42:27.000
Anthony family due to escalating threats to their safety and well-being, as well as basic living
00:42:32.160
costs, transportation, counseling, and other security measures. The Daily Mail talks to some of the
00:42:38.740
families in this area. They're not happy about it. They, of course, are worried for the safety of
00:42:42.940
their community. If you have, like, a young man who is this easily triggered because he feels like
00:42:49.700
he was, you know, he was talked down to or he was condescended in some way or even someone touched
00:42:55.980
his backpack and has a justification for murder, do you want that person as your neighbor? No. And
00:43:02.300
they are apparently using the funds that people via toxic empathy are donating to them to relocate to
00:43:08.100
an area like this. It's not good. It's not justice. And gosh, we are such a sick society. We are such a sick
00:43:17.240
society that we can't see things clearly when race is involved. It's toxic empathy. It's also just like
00:43:24.260
a demonic spiritual blindness. Truly. Matt Walsh says, he's been talking about this a lot. He says,
00:43:30.220
there's no hope of improving, quote unquote, race relations in this country as long as a black
00:43:33.900
murderer can still be rewarded with half a million dollars and a new home for stabbing a white kid to
00:43:38.480
death. It doesn't set a good precedent. That's for sure. Kyle Rittenhouse, this is according to End
00:43:48.500
Wokeness, he draws this kind of parallel. Kyle Rittenhouse shot rioters to save his life. It was
00:43:54.640
deemed self-defense. And it's true. It actually was. Maybe he shouldn't have been there that night. You
00:43:59.380
could say he shouldn't have been in Kenosha. But in those moments, he was defending himself.
00:44:03.780
Um, $2 million bond. It was never reduced. 86 days and pre-trial detention. Okay. That was
00:44:12.900
during 2020. You remember that. Carmelo Anthony brought a knife to a track meet, got insulted,
00:44:19.660
killed someone because of that. Bond is reduced to $250K. 12 days in pre-trial jail, buys a new house.
00:44:27.960
That last point, is it exactly correct? They're renting a new house. And so just know that
00:44:33.780
that when people say, oh, there are two justice systems and black people are very unfairly treated
00:44:41.420
in this country, in our justice system, um, cases like this, situations like this make that argument
00:44:49.660
much less compelling. I'll say that. Again, I have no idea Carmelo's motivation. I don't know that it
00:44:56.200
was motivated by race. I don't think that he was targeting this kid because he was white.
00:45:00.100
Um, I have no idea. And I don't know that race was really relevant to this at all. But it has
00:45:06.640
certainly turned into that people defending him because he was a black kid that killed a white kid.
00:45:11.520
And that is the indication of a really big problem and a huge impediment to true impartial justice,
00:45:17.300
which should be no respecter of persons. Um, okay, let me read a text, uh, from that my mom sent me.
00:45:25.800
And she sent it from a friend of hers who, um, who had a child at the, at the track meet. And
00:45:36.440
she just wanted to make sure that this, um, this story got out. She said, a friend of mine sent this
00:45:44.680
to me, thought it might be a good story to talk about, uh, talk about surrounding the stabbing
00:45:48.440
incident from my friend, Susan. I wanted to tell you about something that no one is talking about
00:45:53.560
nationally thought you might find this interesting. 17 year old Liam Gunningham was at the track meet
00:46:00.180
and was the first person to run to Austin Metcalf after he was stabbed. When everyone started running
00:46:04.880
away, this young man, I guess, in addition to Austin's twin brother, ran to the stab student and
00:46:12.000
began life-saving efforts. Yesterday, Liam was honored by Live Like Knox at a banquet for his bravery
00:46:18.500
and presented with a scholarship. Um, and so I just want to recognize the hero in this case,
00:46:26.000
one of the heroes in this case, and that courage and morality still exist in a society that
00:46:32.680
unfortunately rewards violence and cowardice. And when the world seems to be going mad, Christians
00:46:40.060
are called to sanity. We are called to clarity. We are called to true justice and true compassion,
00:46:46.000
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00:46:51.280
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