Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1176 ｜ ‘The King of Kings'： The Biblical & the Questionable

00:00:00.840 King of Kings, the new animated movie about the life of Jesus.

00:00:05.700 Should you see it?

00:00:06.820 Should you allow your kids to see it?

00:00:09.320 Brie and I have a full analysis, theological, creative analysis about that movie today.

00:00:17.220 Also, American Idol honored Jesus over the weekend, and we will play you some highlights

00:00:21.860 from that.

00:00:22.440 It was so special.

00:00:24.280 All of this and more on today's episode of Relatable.

00:00:30.000 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable.

00:00:38.180 Happy Tuesday.

00:00:39.260 Hope everyone is having a wonderful week so far.

00:00:41.740 We are getting into the King of Kings today.

00:00:44.680 We were going to discuss it last week in case you and your family were going to see it over

00:00:49.780 Easter weekend.

00:00:50.560 You were trying to decide what to do, but I just wasn't ready yet.

00:00:53.580 Now we are ready.

00:00:54.820 So Brie and I have slightly different takes and interpretations about this, and so you'll

00:00:59.280 get to hear what we think as well as what some other critics and viewers out there think.

00:01:04.380 But Brie, since I didn't get to talk to you yesterday on the show, I just want to hear

00:01:07.580 how your Easter weekend was.

00:01:09.420 Was it good?

00:01:10.320 Yeah, it was.

00:01:11.980 I was pretty low-key.

00:01:13.820 Went to church, had Easter lunch.

00:01:16.480 I made lemon bars.

00:01:18.080 Ooh.

00:01:18.520 I made...

00:01:19.180 Is there cream cheese in these lemon bars?

00:01:21.960 No.

00:01:22.460 Is there supposed to be?

00:01:23.400 No, not necessarily, but I have had cream cheese bars or maybe lemon bars with cream

00:01:28.740 cheese, and it's just a great combination.

00:01:30.600 That sounds amazing.

00:01:31.920 No, mine were just kind of the classic ones.

00:01:33.820 And I made sourdough pretzel rolls.

00:01:37.400 Ooh.

00:01:37.860 So I was baking a lot.

00:01:39.300 Wow.

00:01:39.820 But it was good.

00:01:40.860 And you went to your parents' house?

00:01:42.800 Yes.

00:01:43.500 Yeah.

00:01:43.800 And now I have a little...

00:01:45.000 I'm like the youngest in my family.

00:01:47.460 And up until recently, we haven't had a lot of babies, but we did have my cousin's

00:01:51.580 baby there.

00:01:52.340 And so...

00:01:52.900 Fun.

00:01:53.020 Got baby time.

00:01:54.040 Yeah.

00:01:54.620 Yeah.

00:01:55.060 Yay.

00:01:55.820 So fun.

00:01:56.520 We had a pretty low-key Easter, too.

00:01:58.620 We just went to church and then went over to my parents' house and had some good lunch.

00:02:04.100 We had some good ranchers' chicken and steak and lots of other good stuff.

00:02:09.880 Some fruit pies.

00:02:11.820 Wait, do I remember correctly that you don't like fruit pie?

00:02:14.180 Did I just make that up?

00:02:15.420 You do not remember correctly.

00:02:16.680 Oh.

00:02:17.460 I don't know.

00:02:18.340 I don't know where that came from.

00:02:20.020 I don't either.

00:02:21.040 I don't know.

00:02:21.680 No, I love a good fruit pie.

00:02:22.260 But we had blueberry pie and we had cherry pie.

00:02:25.120 Cherry pie's my favorite.

00:02:26.200 And they were both really good.

00:02:27.100 Love it.

00:02:27.780 Yep.

00:02:28.440 And that's about all we did.

00:02:30.220 And then I finished watching King of Kings.

00:02:33.460 And so now we are going to talk about it.

00:02:35.640 Okay.

00:02:36.380 Before I give my impression and we give our takes on it, let's just talk about what King

00:02:41.640 of Kings is.

00:02:42.920 Maybe you've heard it talked about.

00:02:44.180 There's been some discussion, some disagreement about its theological soundness, whether you

00:02:49.720 should allow your kids to see it.

00:02:51.040 This is an animated movie of the life of Jesus.

00:02:54.100 And I'll play you the trailer and you'll kind of get a sense for what it is.

00:02:58.500 Stop right there.

00:03:02.220 Our story begins 2000 years ago when baby Jesus came into the world.

00:03:08.600 Wait, wait, stop.

00:03:10.060 If it's not about a king, then I'm not interested.

00:03:13.060 This story is about the King of Kings.

00:03:16.220 If you're with me, then I know.

00:03:18.040 It has angels and wicked kings and miracles.

00:03:29.420 Look at all the fish.

00:03:32.460 Okay.

00:03:33.200 So that's part of the trailer.

00:03:34.860 You can see right there, really sweet.

00:03:37.540 And you're probably wondering, like, what is, why is there like 1800s people also interacting

00:03:43.960 with people during Jesus's time?

00:03:46.600 So this is an animated film that looks at Jesus's life from the nativity to the resurrection,

00:03:53.400 but it is through a narrative where the writer of the Christmas story, Charles Dickens, is telling

00:04:00.000 this story of Jesus to his son, Walter, who imagines himself witnessing the events and

00:04:06.660 kind of being a part of these events.

00:04:09.600 And the film is loosely based on something that Charles Dickens actually wrote only for

00:04:15.300 his children.

00:04:15.920 It wasn't ever meant to be published.

00:04:17.800 And it was called The Life of Our Lord, which was basically a simplified retelling of the

00:04:22.540 gospels for his children that emphasized Jesus's life and teachings.

00:04:26.960 But I think this would be a good time to talk about the background, Brie, of Charles Dickens

00:04:31.420 just a little bit, because Charles Dickens was actually a Unitarian Universalist.

00:04:36.500 And so he did not believe that Jesus was who he said he was.

00:04:41.100 John 14, 6, Jesus says, I am the way, the truth, the life.

00:04:45.040 No one comes to the Father except through me.

00:04:47.820 And salvation is through him.

00:04:50.420 He is God.

00:04:51.420 We read that in John 1.

00:04:52.740 And as a Unitarian Universalist, Charles Dickens didn't actually believe that.

00:04:58.240 Now, I didn't know that until I started digging into it.

00:05:00.740 I actually thought that using Charles Dickens and using kind of like in the beginning, he's

00:05:06.540 performing the play of the Christmas story, and then his son is disrupting, and it turns

00:05:12.680 into this whole thing of his son not going to bed because he wants to hear his father tell

00:05:17.380 another story of a real king, and that king is Jesus.

00:05:20.060 And so I actually thought that was interesting, but I do kind of wonder why they chose Charles

00:05:26.180 Dickens and what he wrote when Charles Dickens didn't actually believe a lot of what is in

00:05:30.820 this movie, that Jesus is the king of kings, that he is lord of lords, and that he actually

00:05:35.660 died on the cross for our sins.

00:05:37.080 Charles Dickens just believed that he was a good moral teacher that I guess he just wanted

00:05:42.480 his kids to know about.

00:05:43.500 So there's some incongruency there, but you could just say maybe that's creative liberties.

00:05:47.680 They thought that was an interesting way to get into the story.

00:05:50.900 Yeah.

00:05:51.800 I don't know exactly what their thinking was of why they used this as source material,

00:05:57.760 but yeah, he had written something called The Life of Our Lord, which was just a document

00:06:02.480 that explained Jesus' life and miracles to his kids, and it was never intended to be published

00:06:08.980 or to be public.

00:06:09.980 He made it explicitly clear it was only for his family until after they died, then people

00:06:14.380 published it.

00:06:15.160 But that's what this is based on and why I guess they chose him as the central character.

00:06:21.200 But yeah, like you said, he was nominally Anglican, but a Unitarian and didn't believe in atonement

00:06:28.900 or the Trinity or original sin, he just thought Jesus was a good moral teacher and had good

00:06:35.420 stories.

00:06:36.260 So yeah.

00:06:37.220 Yeah.

00:06:37.660 And all of those things are, as far as I know, absent from The Life of Our Lord, which

00:06:41.540 is what they used to make this.

00:06:44.760 Yeah.

00:06:44.780 Loosely.

00:06:45.100 Not absent from the film, but from what they used from it.

00:06:48.940 Which is okay.

00:06:50.860 You could ask, okay, why did they choose that?

00:06:53.280 They could have chosen a different entry point or a different way to get into The Life of

00:06:57.180 Jesus, but obviously they, as many movies do, took creative liberties with the history and

00:07:03.440 biography of Charles Dickens, and they just kind of used that as the starting point.

00:07:08.700 And so agree or disagree with that.

00:07:10.100 There's not some like big theological or moral issue with that necessarily.

00:07:14.120 It might just be, hmm, why?

00:07:17.420 A curious choice.

00:07:19.660 Okay.

00:07:20.040 There were some stars that played in this, which I also didn't realize.

00:07:23.560 Uma Thurman as Catherine Dickens.

00:07:25.900 Okay.

00:07:26.300 Charles Dickens, his wife.

00:07:27.760 Uma Thurman.

00:07:28.760 Pierce Brosnan.

00:07:30.180 Yeah.

00:07:30.560 As Pontius Pilate.

00:07:31.880 Mark Hamill as King Herod.

00:07:33.420 Forrest Whitaker as Peter.

00:07:35.340 Interesting.

00:07:36.460 Oscar Isaac as Jesus.

00:07:38.140 I'm sorry.

00:07:38.820 I don't know who that is.

00:07:39.860 Oh.

00:07:41.040 He was in Star Wars movies.

00:07:43.100 He's pretty big.

00:07:44.420 Yeah.

00:07:44.720 That's why.

00:07:45.640 That's why.

00:07:46.460 Got it.

00:07:47.500 And maybe these other people are also people I should know.

00:07:50.640 The film grossed $19.05 million during its opening weekend, setting a record for the largest

00:07:57.040 debut of an animated biblical film surpassing, surpassing The Prince of Egypt.

00:08:02.140 Wow.

00:08:02.660 And The Prince of Egypt is truly a masterpiece of work of art.

00:08:05.080 It was made by South Korean Production House Mofak Animation.

00:08:09.980 It was directed also by a South Korean Siong Ho Jang with Jamie Thomason.

00:08:16.720 I don't know who that is.

00:08:18.020 Serving as the co-director.

00:08:20.160 And, okay, I guess I'll just say my overall take, and then we can kind of get into a back

00:08:27.920 and forth, Bree.

00:08:29.280 My overall take, just watching as I was trying to actually be more of a critical viewer because

00:08:36.640 I wanted to point out potential pitfalls.

00:08:40.060 I wanted to look at the theological vulnerabilities before I could recommend it to you or tell you

00:08:45.620 that you need to see it.

00:08:47.080 But honestly, overall, I felt like it was a really good representation of Jesus and His

00:08:54.620 sacrifice and the gospel.

00:08:57.320 There were few creative liberties taken, but honestly, not that many.

00:09:02.300 I thought that it captured the spirit of Jesus' life and purpose and represented His probable

00:09:10.900 temperament really well.

00:09:13.220 I thought there were some really beautiful moments where I was brought to tears.

00:09:17.560 I thought the crucifixion was done really well.

00:09:20.260 I thought it was interesting.

00:09:22.460 A lot of the symbolism that was used, Jesus' baptism is meant to look a lot like when He

00:09:28.340 rose from the dead.

00:09:29.860 Also, when we see Peter, He's walking on water.

00:09:33.640 He looks at the wave, turns away from Jesus.

00:09:35.720 He doubts.

00:09:36.580 He falls into the water.

00:09:37.860 These aren't spoilers.

00:09:38.920 If you know the Gospels, you know that these things really happened.

00:09:41.480 And we also see Peter in that similar position of being baptized and being raised up by Jesus.

00:09:49.380 Another symbolism.

00:09:50.920 I thought that it was really sweet when the little son, Walter, he finishes hearing the

00:09:55.240 stories.

00:09:55.700 He runs to his siblings and he says, wake up, wake up.

00:09:59.100 He wants to tell them the story.

00:10:00.660 Well, that's what we're doing when we're sharing the gospel with people.

00:10:03.500 We're saying, wake up, wake up.

00:10:05.080 Like, you're sleeping and I have to wake you up with the best news ever.

00:10:09.480 And you are asleep, dead in your sin, and Christ wants to make you alive by grace through

00:10:14.780 faith.

00:10:15.560 And yes, I'm kind of like adding to the movie there, but I thought that that's what they

00:10:21.300 were trying to represent and the message they were trying to convey.

00:10:24.560 I thought they did a really good job, especially in that scene with Peter doubting and falling

00:10:29.540 through the water of showing you can do nothing to save yourself, that when you doubt and when

00:10:37.160 you need salvation, it is Jesus that has to reach down and help you.

00:10:42.060 You can't work your way to him.

00:10:44.400 You can't make yourself good enough for him.

00:10:46.400 You can't clean yourself off.

00:10:48.380 He is going to have to reach down and help you.

00:10:49.960 So I thought that it was really, really good and the tension between the Pharisees and Sadducees

00:10:57.200 and Jesus, the Roman Empire and Jesus, all of that was good without being too scary.

00:11:04.100 So that's my overall take.

00:11:06.000 I don't know if I can necessarily recommend it to you.

00:11:08.820 Obviously, there are some serious thematic elements.

00:11:12.500 You could say that it's scary.

00:11:14.080 It's intense.

00:11:14.780 The story of Jesus is scary and intense in some way.

00:11:18.420 So it depends upon the maturity of your child, the conversations that you've already had

00:11:25.120 with them.

00:11:26.060 But overall, I don't have a lot of big, glaring theological problems with this story.

00:11:31.400 I can tell you it was probably more theologically accurate and compelling than VeggieTales, okay?

00:11:36.680 And maybe you could say VeggieTales is the reason that millennials have the problems they 1.00

00:11:41.120 do.

00:11:41.540 But I thought that this did a better job.

00:11:44.740 Okay, I'll get into it with Bree.

00:11:46.500 And Bree will give her thoughts in just a second.

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00:13:36.080 Okay, Brie.

00:13:37.860 Tell me your thoughts on this.

00:13:40.700 We'll get into the artistic stuff because we have some artistic questions just about the content of it.

00:13:46.040 But what was your thought overall about this?

00:13:48.560 So I'll preface this by saying I know people have been protective of this movie.

00:13:53.540 So I don't want to make anyone upset.

00:13:55.120 Oh, I haven't seen that.

00:13:56.740 Yeah.

00:13:57.040 People are defensive about it.

00:13:58.400 Yeah, they're really defensive about it.

00:14:00.420 I will just say I'm a particularly harsh critic of Christian media because I believe that you're a hater.

00:14:07.780 Should have high standards and should have a standard of excellence when it comes to media.

00:14:12.440 And I just haven't seen us do that very well.

00:14:16.160 And so when I watch an example that you can think of, like, not good Christian media.

00:14:21.280 Oh, I'm going to make people mad if I say it.

00:14:23.940 But I think the God's Not Dead movies are really terrible.

00:14:27.460 Cheesy.

00:14:27.700 It's not just cheesy.

00:14:29.660 I think that they're – I think some of the messaging in them is a little bit dangerous to people who are not Christians.

00:14:36.980 Gosh, I don't remember, actually.

00:14:39.000 Yeah.

00:14:39.600 Often their depiction of, like, atheists is pretty, like, offensive to atheists to the point where I don't know that it would really encourage them to think well of Christianity at all.

00:14:48.880 And so there's lots I could say about God's Not Dead.

00:14:52.820 But, yes, that's an example of something that I don't think is done super well.

00:14:57.940 And I just think our media could be a lot more compelling.

00:15:00.700 So I went into this, like, wanting to be a critic of it like you did, wanting to find the parts that could have been improved.

00:15:08.760 And I will say I've softened a lot to it over the past, like, week since I've seen it.

00:15:14.720 Like, most of my issues are artistic with it and, like, the story I thought could have been better.

00:15:22.500 Not the story of Jesus, but how they told the story.

00:15:25.820 But I thought so many parts of it were really beautiful.

00:15:28.720 I thought some of the animation was, like, beautiful.

00:15:31.760 The lighting in the animation.

00:15:33.660 There's this part where there's, like, a visual representation of, like, substitutionary atonement.

00:15:40.760 And I thought that was beautiful when he's, like, sinking into the water and then Jesus takes his hand and switch places with him.

00:15:47.600 And then Jesus is sinking down and he's floating up.

00:15:50.760 I just thought that was, like, such a good visual representation for kids, especially, of what was happening.

00:15:57.020 So there were some moments like that that I were like, oh, that was like, oh, this isn't really a thing in other kids' media.

00:16:03.620 And so I appreciated that a lot.

00:16:05.000 But, yeah, and I appreciated they at least tried to get the full gospel in there.

00:16:10.700 I don't know that I think some parts of it were more confusing than they needed to be.

00:16:16.460 Like which parts?

00:16:17.900 Like when they tried to explain original sin, he, like, pulls out a book and explains Adam and Eve.

00:16:23.740 And I just thought that could have been a little bit more clear.

00:16:26.820 I don't remember the exact wording.

00:16:29.600 But things like that, I'm like, I maybe would have tweaked.

00:16:33.240 But I appreciate, I always appreciate when in the question of sin, someone goes back to the beginning and someone goes back to Adam and Eve.

00:16:44.420 I think that's really important and tells me, okay, even if we would have conveyed it differently, that indicates to me, I'm like, okay, you get it.

00:16:53.800 You get where it comes from.

00:16:55.380 And I think that because of Adam, we have all died and Jesus is the second Adam. 0.89

00:16:59.800 And I think just like with any art, they can't tell you everything.

00:17:05.220 There's so much that we have to see and draw from it.

00:17:08.800 And I kind of want to watch it again because I think there's probably a lot of things that I missed that I didn't really see before.

00:17:14.840 And I really do commend them for that.

00:17:18.320 Any criticism that says it wasn't the full gospel, I just, you didn't say that, but anyone out there, like, I just don't know if I would agree with that.

00:17:28.180 I think that they did the best they could to get the full gospel in there.

00:17:32.840 But if anyone out there disagrees, I would love, there could be something I'm missing.

00:17:36.340 I'm not thinking about if any commenter is like, no, you know, they said this wrong or did this wrong.

00:17:40.780 I'd be interested to hear that, but yeah, I thought that they also, I know some people had issues with some creative liberties that Jesus said.

00:17:49.480 Oh, yeah.

00:17:50.400 With what Jesus said, right?

00:17:51.880 Like they added some things to his quotes or they changed words slightly.

00:17:56.760 Yeah, there's a couple examples like when Jesus is in the temple, when he is younger and Luke, he says, did you not know that I must be in my father's house?

00:18:07.480 And movie Jesus says, I felt like I needed to be here.

00:18:11.000 So it's like much more modernized language.

00:18:14.320 There's another example.

00:18:15.460 I do remember that.

00:18:16.720 I remember kind of wincing a little bit at the I felt.

00:18:21.480 Yeah.

00:18:21.740 But then I second guessed my own thoughts and was like, well, is there really anything wrong with that?

00:18:27.660 He did feel it.

00:18:29.340 Yeah.

00:18:30.300 But I mean, his feelings are always true.

00:18:32.440 So maybe that's not bad.

00:18:34.920 Yeah, yeah.

00:18:35.380 And I think that's why some people had issues with it.

00:18:40.340 When he is multiplying the loaves and fish, he says the son of man came not to be served, but to serve and to give his life as a ransom for many.

00:18:48.340 That's what the Bible says.

00:18:49.560 And then movie Jesus says he came to give his life for the benefit of the multitudes.

00:18:54.320 So plugged in notes in their review of it that removing the word ransom from that describes, removes the true purpose of Jesus's death.

00:19:07.580 So that's some people are having issues with that, with the modernization of those phrases.

00:19:13.560 Yeah, I would be interested to know why they chose benefit if they just thought that that was a more modern way to say ransom, because ransom has to be explained.

00:19:25.260 But if we're going to change it, I probably would have said salvation, or I would have said to save many, to save those who believe.

00:19:38.840 I probably would have said something like that instead of benefit, because benefit is just as vague as ransom.

00:19:45.080 Also, the multitudes, I feel like if you're replacing words, I don't know that I would have chosen that either.

00:19:52.660 Yeah, there were a couple things like that.

00:19:57.600 It's funny, because we just talked with Sean McDowell last week about John 9, and that was one of the scenes that was depicted when the disciples are looking at the blind man, and they're like, who sinned?

00:20:10.240 Did he sin or his parents sinned?

00:20:12.340 And they kind of changed what Jesus said about the power of God being displayed in him.

00:20:20.020 But again, the spirit was there.

00:20:23.580 The spirit was there.

00:20:24.560 And they didn't show the whole scene of the guy's parents and all of that.

00:20:28.780 But I thought that that was fine.

00:20:32.060 Okay, here's one thing.

00:20:32.980 I was looking away during this part, and I was watching a screener, so I couldn't rewind.

00:20:37.620 When he raised Lazarus from the dead, did he weep?

00:20:42.780 Beforehand.

00:20:43.320 Do you remember?

00:20:44.700 I don't think he did.

00:20:46.120 Because I don't think he did either.

00:20:48.100 No.

00:20:48.200 And I remember thinking, well, that's strange, because that's such an important verse, it seems like.

00:20:54.760 Showing the humanity of Jesus is the shortest verse in the Bible.

00:20:58.340 Most people who are Christians know that verse and know it's when he heard that Lazarus died.

00:21:02.820 So I thought that that was an interesting choice, too.

00:21:05.700 That's an interesting note.

00:21:07.140 Unless I'm forgetting.

00:21:07.900 No, I don't.

00:21:09.540 I watched it in a theater.

00:21:10.720 I feel like maybe I would have remembered.

00:21:13.380 I don't think he did.

00:21:14.540 I also remember this Jesus in the movie is pretty stoic most of the time.

00:21:19.700 He is.

00:21:20.240 And I didn't.

00:21:21.480 That's how I read Jesus.

00:21:23.000 That's how I how I read Jesus in the Gospels.

00:21:26.000 Yeah.

00:21:26.220 And I think it's fair to interpret him character wise as that.

00:21:30.160 I didn't particularly think Oscar Isaac was that compelling as the character like the other actors were.

00:21:36.160 But but, yeah, all that to say, I don't know that there were a lot of like emotional moments from like Jesus's perspective.

00:21:42.880 One thing that I did have an issue with, actually, was the resurrection, the depiction of the resurrection, because I legitimately thought that they cut a scene out of it.

00:21:53.260 It's like Jesus is is dead and then it fades to black.

00:21:56.760 And then they're like, oh, but he also just rose from the dead.

00:22:01.640 And the end, it was like so fast.

00:22:04.260 Yeah, that's true.

00:22:05.480 There wasn't really an explanation of like what that means now and why that's significant.

00:22:10.960 And I don't expect them to do a sermon, but it did feel very jarring.

00:22:14.740 I was like, well, this is like an important thing to explain.

00:22:18.600 And it wasn't.

00:22:19.740 And I think that was that was a big issue for me as well.

00:22:23.220 You know, they could have brought it full circle with the Christmas story, because when you think about the Christmas story, it's Carol.

00:22:30.480 Yes.

00:22:31.040 Did I say I think I must have said the Christmas story earlier, too.

00:22:34.060 It's not the Christmas story.

00:22:35.300 The Christmas Carol.

00:22:36.960 OK, the Christmas Carol.

00:22:38.860 They could have brought it full circle, because when you think about the Christmas Carol, it's not a gospel movie or story.

00:22:45.160 It is kind of a universalist, moralistic story of you just need to be a good person and you need to be generous.

00:22:51.600 But if they were going to rewrite kind of the life of Charles Dickens, they could have rewritten the Christmas story as if he was the Christian they depicted him as and showed a new end of the Christmas Carol of Ebenezer Scrooge, like actually bowing down before the cross and like accepting Jesus and then showing like, no, that's really what the end of the Christmas Carol should be is realizing that Christmas is about Christ.

00:23:17.840 Yeah.

00:23:18.320 That could have brought it full circle.

00:23:20.180 Yeah.

00:23:20.400 But then they kind of left that off.

00:23:22.520 Yes.

00:23:23.300 Yeah, no, I thought there were quite a few moments for emotional beats that had so much potential that they missed out on.

00:23:31.620 One of those is actually when Peter has denied Jesus and he's kind of just sitting there on his own.

00:23:38.580 That, for me, was one of the most emotional parts of the whole movie.

00:23:42.240 But then the little kid character comes over and kind of interrupts the scene.

00:23:46.940 And I thought that that was like so jarring.

00:23:49.400 Yeah.

00:23:49.820 Because I was like, I just want to watch what's happening with Peter now, not this cat and this kid that's here.

00:23:55.100 Um, and then also the like interaction between the little kid character and what's happening in Jesus's time.

00:24:03.580 I see what they're going for.

00:24:05.440 They were going for, here is how a kid could make this personal.

00:24:10.180 Here's how they could see themselves in Jesus's story.

00:24:12.720 I think that's what they're going for.

00:24:14.640 But I thought that at times it was really confusing.

00:24:18.380 There are times when like Charles Dickens's character turns into Jesus.

00:24:21.520 That did confuse me.

00:24:22.880 I thought that I saw it wrong.

00:24:24.260 No, he morphs into Jesus or maybe it's vice versa.

00:24:27.420 Jesus morphs into him. 0.66

00:24:29.100 Um, I thought that was super confusing.

00:24:31.640 Jesus has some interaction with the cat.

00:24:33.540 I don't know if we explained that the little boy character has a pet cat.

00:24:36.980 I must be emotional because I thought Jesus holding the cat was really sweet.

00:24:42.580 Well, I did too.

00:24:44.140 And I almost cried.

00:24:45.300 But I thought that there was a lot of potential for like, because Jesus interacts with him and the little boy a couple times throughout.

00:24:52.200 Yeah.

00:24:53.360 It would be so much more impactful.

00:24:55.640 I thought if there was one moment where this little boy is watching this all unfold and there's one moment maybe right before the cross or something where Jesus makes eye contact with the little boy.

00:25:07.200 And all of a sudden it's like, oh, this is personal.

00:25:09.700 Like he's connecting with me.

00:25:11.920 Um, that would have been sweet.

00:25:13.680 Or if there was one moment where Jesus, you know, shows his love for little creatures and touches the cat somehow or whatever.

00:25:20.660 But, but I don't think that that was really like emphasized very much.

00:25:24.260 The kid was just kind of there and interacting in the scene sometimes.

00:25:27.160 And I don't think it meant as much as it could have.

00:25:29.880 Yeah.

00:25:30.280 Okay.

00:25:30.560 I have a thought on that.

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00:26:54.980 Okay, about the child.

00:26:56.860 I thought that the child's questions and interactions with the story were pretty accurate as a representation of how a child asks questions about Jesus and about the Bible.

00:27:12.660 Like, I saw a lot of what my children say and think and ask in that child, and I thought that that was really sweet.

00:27:20.940 And I also thought that he was a representation of having faith like a child because he just understood so well.

00:27:28.140 It seemed like that it was sad that Jesus was dying, that it was wrong for the people to choose him to die over Barabbas.

00:27:36.540 He didn't want Jesus to die.

00:27:37.980 He saw how amazing and loving Jesus was.

00:27:41.220 And I just, I see so much of what Jesus meant when he says you have to have faith like a child in order to enter the kingdom of heaven.

00:27:49.220 One beautiful benefit of motherhood is that you relearn the Bible and the gospel through your children, and they just understand it so clearly.

00:28:00.220 Like, you understand sin.

00:28:02.300 You understand that all this brokenness, the plagues, everything that happened over here happened because of the bite of the apple.

00:28:09.380 And you just so desperately want to be saved from that.

00:28:13.420 And you learn a lot.

00:28:14.600 So I thought that that was a really sweet picture of what it meant to have faith like a child.

00:28:20.140 Now, what we never see is actually an understanding of the child's own sin.

00:28:27.360 Now, maybe you think, like, this is too intense, but you and I were talking before this that, like, it starts with this child.

00:28:34.560 Now, I don't know how old the child is.

00:28:36.440 Maybe five, six.

00:28:37.680 Yeah.

00:28:38.260 But very much disobeying and disrespecting his parents.

00:28:42.240 It's not, like, accidentally being mischievous as, like, a normal, rambunctious five-year-old.

00:28:47.660 Some of that.

00:28:48.560 But some of it was just, like, flagrant disobedience when his dad is working on something really hard, trying to perform the Christmas carol in front of people.

00:28:57.680 And he doesn't get punished.

00:28:59.900 He gets yelled at.

00:29:01.020 And yelling is not discipline.

00:29:02.400 But his dad gets frustrated and is like, you know, you need to stop doing this.

00:29:07.100 I'm going to take the sword away or whatever.

00:29:09.180 And his mom does not discipline him.

00:29:11.320 No, the mom chides the dad for getting frustrated.

00:29:14.580 So the dad is made weak right away.

00:29:16.820 Then when the dad gets home from the play, the son, Walter, gets to stay up late while the other children who did obey get to have to go to bed.

00:29:24.880 And so the child gets rewarded for this disobedience by getting to stay up.

00:29:31.360 And the mom is basically, like, telling the dad, the mom's supposed to be sweet.

00:29:36.100 But the mom is like, to make up for you getting frustrated with him, you have to tell him this story.

00:29:41.040 Now, obviously, it is a great benefit for the dad to tell the story of the gospel.

00:29:45.640 And we want that.

00:29:46.440 We should all be doing that for our kids.

00:29:48.040 But, again, I think another missed opportunity, or maybe you think this was there, was maybe the child seeing, oh, like, in my own way, like, I contributed to Jesus' death on the cross.

00:30:01.660 That is my sin.

00:30:03.400 And, like, he tells me to honor my father and mother.

00:30:06.520 And, like, I also need salvation.

00:30:08.820 I also need forgiveness.

00:30:10.600 And there could have been some, like, contriteness there to show.

00:30:15.420 But that is one reason why I don't know that I would allow my kids to see it, not because of necessarily the, like, other parts of it, the story of Jesus, but because you see bad behavior completely undisciplined by the parents and, like, very weak parents who don't take that behavior seriously at all.

00:30:35.680 Yeah.

00:30:36.520 No, I totally agree.

00:30:37.440 That's a great point.

00:30:38.440 And this is a little bit less severe of a point.

00:30:41.780 But something that also bothered me that you touched on is the mom character and how she's the one who is, like, motivating all of this.

00:30:51.240 It's like Charles Dickens wrote this for his kids.

00:30:54.920 So he obviously was already motivated to share this story with his kids, we're presuming.

00:30:59.900 But in this story, it's like the mom is forcing him to do it.

00:31:04.620 The mom, when he is trying to explain Adam and Eve, an original sin, he can't find the Bible or whatever that he needs to explain it.

00:31:12.640 She has to find it for him.

00:31:14.140 So I just thought that that was kind of silly that, like, she was kind of the motivator for everything.

00:31:18.600 Maybe they just narratively needed her to do something.

00:31:20.600 But I thought it was kind of a trope that is in a lot of movies.

00:31:25.240 Oh, yeah.

00:31:25.920 The bumbling dad and the wise mom that has to come in and, like, bring order to the chaos. 0.86

00:31:32.760 And maybe you could say, well, no, he's just an artist and he needed a more type A person to, like, keep him on track.

00:31:39.740 But we were also talking about how it's strange that, okay, if Charles Dickens, the fictional Charles Dickens, really believed in the gospel and, like, cared about this so much that he had been writing this for his children.

00:31:53.180 Well, as Walter, the son, is listening to it, he's never heard this stuff before.

00:31:57.200 It's like he's never heard of Jesus.

00:31:58.980 And he has to go tell his siblings about Jesus.

00:32:01.960 Why have they never heard of Jesus before?

00:32:04.820 My mom, I went to see it with my mom in theaters, and she leaned over to me and was like, have they never been to church before?

00:32:12.480 Yeah.

00:32:13.240 Like, why does he know none of this?

00:32:15.580 So, yeah, that was kind of a weird choice in my opinion.

00:32:19.980 Now, maybe you could say that this fictional Charles Dickens was becoming a Christian during this time, and it was new, and he was writing all of this as he was learning it and believing it, and he was presenting it for the first time.

00:32:33.420 Yeah.

00:32:33.660 So, you could say that, and, like, from the completion of it, that's when he was like, okay, I understand this, and I want to present it to my kids.

00:32:40.660 I'm completely adding on to the movie and giving it a very charitable reading, but maybe someone could say.

00:32:47.640 Yeah.

00:32:47.980 Now, no kid, by the way, if you're going to allow your kids to watch that, which is totally up to you, and maybe you can have a conversation with them about the behavioral stuff in the beginning, but no kid is going to catch on to that.

00:32:58.440 I don't think that they're going to, like, a five-year-old is going to have an issue with that.

00:33:02.440 Okay, so there are some critics out there.

00:33:05.220 Gabriel Hughes on Acts said, he said, while the film does get some things right, there's a lot it doesn't.

00:33:12.160 Jesus is often misquoted in subtle ways.

00:33:14.760 He points out, we already talked about this, Luke 2, 49, when Jesus says, did you not know I must be in my father's house?

00:33:22.500 Movie, Jesus says, I felt like I needed to be here.

00:33:25.640 Loaves and Fish, that scene, the Bible says, Mark 10, 45, the son of man came not to be served, but to serve and to give his life as a ransom for many.

00:33:37.060 Movie, Jesus says, to give his life for the benefit of the multitudes.

00:33:41.380 Gabriel also says that they make Jesus sound like a guy from HR rather than the king of kings.

00:33:46.620 I personally don't agree with that assessment in general.

00:33:50.840 The film tells us our sin makes God sad, but there's no mention of hell, of the judgment of God, which Jesus talked about.

00:33:57.060 Okay, that could be true.

00:33:59.420 That could be true.

00:34:00.200 What do you think about that?

00:34:01.360 That they don't mention hell.

00:34:03.280 Yeah.

00:34:03.420 Yeah, I had that thought briefly.

00:34:06.980 I also, though, was just kind of wondering how, I mean, I don't make children's media, but I do wonder, like, what the best way to communicate that to a child is.

00:34:18.500 And I don't know.

00:34:19.400 I would prefer that they didn't leave that out, but I also, I don't know.

00:34:23.100 I guess I don't have suggestions for them as to how they would have presented that to a kid.

00:34:27.040 That's tough.

00:34:28.160 Yeah.

00:34:28.940 I don't know.

00:34:29.640 So, yeah, maybe they're thinking, you know, that that's up to the parents.

00:34:36.780 I don't know.

00:34:37.180 Do VeggieTales depict hell?

00:34:39.640 I don't remember.

00:34:41.020 I don't think so.

00:34:41.940 Probably not.

00:34:42.620 That would have been, like, really scary seeing Bob burn.

00:34:46.660 Veggies and hell, I know.

00:34:48.180 Yeah.

00:34:48.780 Charred tomato.

00:34:51.760 So, I don't know.

00:34:53.200 Maybe it's just you could argue that it's not time.

00:34:55.280 But they did talk about sin.

00:34:56.680 They did talk about Satan.

00:34:58.540 Yeah.

00:34:58.700 Some movies wouldn't even talk about Satan at all.

00:35:01.660 But, yeah, you could argue that they don't really say what Jesus is saving us from and what we deserve.

00:35:08.580 But, again, you do see some depictions of that.

00:35:11.160 Jesus taking our place, that we deserve to be on the cross.

00:35:14.920 Yeah.

00:35:15.640 So, yeah, there's an argument to be made.

00:35:17.660 There's one official reviewer from the outlet, The Isle Seat.

00:35:20.960 They found that the Charles Dickens storyline washed out the biblical narrative.

00:35:24.640 That's how they felt.

00:35:25.400 He said,

00:35:26.060 When you have the story of Jesus, which is literally the greatest story ever told, why do you need a precocious kid and a mischievous cat?

00:35:33.260 They aren't interesting.

00:35:34.640 Charles Dickens was an interesting man, but his career doesn't factor in.

00:35:38.460 He's used as a framing device.

00:35:40.200 So there's no insight into his works or creative process.

00:35:42.740 That is true.

00:35:43.380 And, yeah, an excess amount of time is spent showing him bantering back and forth with his son, a subplot with zero dramatic attention or relevant to Christ's life, for that matter.

00:35:52.740 I agree.

00:35:54.160 The beginning bantering.

00:35:55.480 So now we can get into our creative differences, which we've kind of already done.

00:35:58.540 Yeah.

00:35:58.640 The beginning part, in addition to the just like the like precocious kids and all that stuff, I just thought it was stressful and it went on too long.

00:36:08.840 Yes.

00:36:09.100 And, yeah, it's true.

00:36:10.760 There's really that's not part of the plot, especially if they never bring it back to the child seeking forgiveness and seeing his own sin.

00:36:17.380 Like, yeah, it's just stressful.

00:36:19.180 Yeah, it's stressful.

00:36:21.780 I just think I've already said this.

00:36:23.880 I just think the involvement of specifically Charles Dickens is so random.

00:36:29.620 It is.

00:36:30.060 And so if it was just some guy in the 1800s with a kid, I think it would make more sense because then you're just like, OK, it's a kid.

00:36:36.780 It's a guy telling a story to his kid.

00:36:38.820 This is like there needs to be a reason for it to be Charles Dickens.

00:36:43.060 And I don't think there was other than he wrote this random document for his kids that people don't even know about.

00:36:49.420 So it doesn't really like matter that much.

00:36:52.260 Yeah.

00:36:52.460 So I completely agree.

00:36:53.880 That's one of my biggest issues is that it's confusing because I don't know why it's Charles Dickens.

00:36:59.160 I don't know why he's there.

00:36:59.980 I saw one reviewer.

00:37:01.020 Actually, the title of his review was finally a movie about Jesus that centers on Charles Dickens.

00:37:07.400 I thought that was funny because that's how I felt, too.

00:37:10.520 I was like, why?

00:37:11.280 Right.

00:37:11.860 So I don't know.

00:37:13.220 Yeah.

00:37:13.580 I thought that it was going to be an interesting through line.

00:37:18.600 And it wasn't.

00:37:20.280 Yeah.

00:37:20.580 Because I like the Christmas Carol.

00:37:22.500 And so I was like, they're going to make this gospel.

00:37:24.620 Yeah.

00:37:25.000 And they didn't.

00:37:25.800 So I don't know if it's a South Korea thing.

00:37:27.900 I don't know.

00:37:28.980 I don't know.

00:37:29.480 I don't know.

00:37:29.980 OK, so Angel Studios is run by, I think, Mormon creators, a Mormon family.

00:37:37.800 And yet I would not say that this was Mormon theologically at all.

00:37:42.060 I didn't see any LDS influence on it.

00:37:46.520 And what I mean by that is that Mormon theology does not believe that Jesus is God.

00:37:51.400 They believe that he is a son of God, that he was literally conceived between Mary and God,

00:37:57.280 that Satan is a brother of Jesus.

00:37:59.340 And we don't see anything like that here.

00:38:02.440 And I do think that we see Jesus as God.

00:38:06.840 I mean, we hear Jesus's words.

00:38:08.540 Who do you say that I am to his disciples?

00:38:11.940 And Peter, I believe, says, you are the Christ.

00:38:15.340 And Jesus says, well said.

00:38:17.740 You know, he said the Son of Man has been given the power to do these things.

00:38:21.800 And so I do believe that we see Jesus as God, not just a son of God, as LDS theology teaches.

00:38:30.040 And so if that's a concern that any Christian has out there, I didn't see anything like that in this story.

00:38:38.500 And to clarify, sorry to interrupt, just to clarify, Angel Studios also only distributed this.

00:38:44.740 They didn't contribute to actually the production of it.

00:38:47.180 So I don't know if that's just additional context, I guess.

00:38:50.500 But really, they're just like putting the movie out.

00:38:52.980 They didn't make it.

00:38:54.300 Yeah.

00:38:55.000 So overall, I think it's good.

00:38:58.500 Obviously, our creative disagreements with it, that's like just our opinion.

00:39:03.060 You may love all of that.

00:39:05.020 You may see a lot of purpose in Charles Dickens' story and contribution to this.

00:39:10.260 And I think, you know, that's totally fine.

00:39:13.180 The more moral and theological stuff, you can decide how important that is.

00:39:17.120 I think with anything that you are allowing your kids to watch, you should watch it first and you should think about it.

00:39:25.060 And if appropriate, you should have a conversation about it.

00:39:28.020 But I wouldn't say it's better than Prince of Egypt, though.

00:39:32.380 Would you say it's better than Prince of Egypt?

00:39:34.880 Did you like Prince of Egypt?

00:39:36.300 Yeah, yeah.

00:39:36.940 But it's hard to compare because that's like a classic probably in both of our minds.

00:39:41.740 But no, no, I wouldn't say it's better.

00:39:46.480 Prince of Egypt is way scarier.

00:39:48.080 Yeah. 0.94

00:39:48.940 Way scarier than this.

00:39:51.080 Like, so if you haven't watched Prince of Egypt with your kids, I know from experience that five and three are too young.

00:40:01.240 So I would wait.

00:40:02.480 I would have waited a little bit.

00:40:03.920 We did not finish Prince of Egypt because when they show the babies being thrown into the river and eaten by the alligators, I was like, okay, yeah, this is tough.

00:40:13.640 It's tough.

00:40:14.620 So important to talk about all of that stuff and for kids to understand.

00:40:18.100 And it could be different for your own children.

00:40:19.820 But I think especially when something is making a theological case and depicting Jesus, we want to make sure it's as accurate as possible.

00:40:27.600 I think that I would probably give King of Kings and theologically, I'd probably give it an A, A minus.

00:40:36.160 Overall, as a movie, I'd probably give it a B, B plus.

00:40:39.240 What would you say, Brie?

00:40:40.940 I'd movie B minus.

00:40:44.420 Theology, probably B plus.

00:40:47.860 Yeah, I thought there were some really, really sweet moments.

00:40:51.260 And overall, I think it's a net positive.

00:40:53.460 I really do.

00:40:54.420 I'm not a hater of this movie.

00:40:55.960 I think if you choose to see it with your family, then you're probably going to be blessed by it.

00:40:59.780 And I think I saw a video of someone posted of their kids in the theater watching the scene where Jesus was dying.

00:41:07.380 They were like older kids, probably eight and ten.

00:41:09.540 And just the tears streaming down their face as they saw Jesus being crucified and taking our place.

00:41:14.400 So I think it could actually help your children see the truth of the crucifixion and the meaning behind it.

00:41:21.760 All right.

00:41:22.260 We've got some more to talk about.

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00:42:41.540 Okay, I guess we have a little time, and so we could play a few of the videos that we have.

00:42:52.720 We could go through the Easter egg roll and the egg hunt that happened over the weekend with Trump.

00:42:59.160 I played this on my Instagram, but I just thought it was really cute.

00:43:03.600 Trump sitting at a table with a bunch of kids, and he's just coloring with them.

00:43:08.520 And he says at one point, I colored the duck blue because I've never seen a blue duck before.

00:43:14.840 And that's just very Trump.

00:43:16.800 Here's thought three.

00:43:18.080 You are the best.

00:43:19.000 I got the three.

00:43:20.240 I will.

00:43:22.700 You did a good job.

00:43:26.900 I'll do it.

00:43:29.320 I'll sign all of them, okay?

00:43:30.560 And then he also had an address, which, of course, was a bit contentious.

00:43:37.540 Some people liked it.

00:43:38.380 Some people didn't like it.

00:43:39.940 He emphasized honoring Jesus and, quote, bringing religion back to America.

00:43:44.760 He also issued an executive order to lower flags half mass in order of Pope Francis, the Pope.

00:43:50.460 He died yesterday.

00:43:52.460 Yesterday morning.

00:43:53.840 Here's top four.

00:43:54.440 Speaking of special, Easter is special, and it's one of our favorite days.

00:43:59.420 It's one of our favorite periods of time.

00:44:01.840 We're honoring Jesus Christ, and we're going to honor Jesus Christ very powerfully throughout

00:44:07.760 our lives, all throughout our lives, not just now, all throughout our lives.

00:44:12.600 We're bringing religion back in America. 0.94

00:44:14.980 We're bringing a lot of things back, but religion is coming back to America. 1.00

00:44:18.920 That's why you see the kind of numbers that you're seeing, the spirit and the kind of numbers

00:44:23.380 that you're seeing.

00:44:25.000 Okay.

00:44:25.640 I would love for him to honor Jesus Christ throughout his life.

00:44:30.440 I would love that for all of us.

00:44:31.800 Absolutely.

00:44:32.520 100%.

00:44:33.120 We all need that.

00:44:35.320 Bringing religion back to America. 1.00

00:44:38.100 I don't know.

00:44:39.320 I don't know.

00:44:39.960 I don't know exactly what that means.

00:44:42.160 How his administration is bringing religion back to America. 0.98

00:44:45.320 Religious liberty.

00:44:46.380 Yes.

00:44:46.700 I would say that is within his purview.

00:44:49.220 I don't just want religion, though.

00:44:50.840 There's a lot of religions.

00:44:52.180 Certainly, Islam is multiplying.

00:44:53.780 That's a religion.

00:44:55.200 Buddhism is a religion.

00:44:56.620 I don't want just any religion.

00:44:59.120 Maybe Trump meant just Christianity, but I want the gospel of Jesus Christ to do what

00:45:03.600 only the gospel of Jesus Christ can do, which is turn hearts of stone into hearts of flesh.

00:45:07.840 And I want Christians to go out and make disciples of Christ, specifically.

00:45:13.020 That is the only religious awakening I want.

00:45:18.460 And that's what I'm praying for.

00:45:20.240 And no government can do that.

00:45:21.600 Of course, policy matters.

00:45:23.280 Politics matter because policy matters because people matter.

00:45:25.860 Politics affects policy.

00:45:26.820 Policy affects people.

00:45:28.180 People matter.

00:45:29.440 And it can affect, like I said, religious liberty and free speech and all of these things.

00:45:34.080 So, so important.

00:45:35.020 But the government and the Constitution cannot enable nor hinder the gospel because the gospel

00:45:42.940 has spread under all kinds of tyrants in all kinds of countries in all kinds of periods

00:45:47.960 of history, and the gates of hell will not prevail against God's church.

00:45:52.480 And so I'm not really sure that Trump or any person has the power to bring that back.

00:45:57.920 Now, am I thankful for the spirit of what he's saying, that we have a president who will

00:46:03.240 say those words that has put in place a lot of Christians in positions of power who does 0.51

00:46:07.660 believe in religious liberty?

00:46:09.440 Yes, I'm very thankful for that.

00:46:11.640 Trump also joked about the 2022 White House Easter egg roll during which a person dressed

00:46:17.580 in a bunny suit was seen approaching Biden as he spoke to members of the media about Afghanistan

00:46:22.340 and Pakistan.

00:46:24.040 I saw this the other day.

00:46:25.500 It was really sad.

00:46:26.680 And you can say, oh, this is mean to point this out.

00:46:29.380 He shouldn't have pointed.

00:46:30.140 OK, this was our president.

00:46:32.200 This was our commander in chief.

00:46:34.080 This was the leader of the free world that we were lied about to for years, told that he's

00:46:40.960 totally competent, that he's totally fine.

00:46:43.120 He's in charge of the nuclear codes.

00:46:44.560 He knows what's going on.

00:46:45.860 We entrusted him with the safety and security of our country.

00:46:49.180 And yet this is who we were being led by.

00:46:51.840 This is top five.

00:46:56.680 I mean, that's just so sad.

00:47:11.460 It was the middle of his presidency.

00:47:13.180 That wasn't even towards the end.

00:47:14.640 And that was like the height of the media telling us it was a right wing conspiracy theory that

00:47:18.800 Biden had dementia or Biden was confused at all.

00:47:21.320 He is so confused.

00:47:22.220 He has to be pushed away by the Easter bunny and he still doesn't know where to go.

00:47:27.960 So Trump, even when I don't like his choice of words, even if I don't agree with him in

00:47:33.620 a lot of ways, morally, theologically, different policy issues like IVF, is he a huge step up

00:47:41.620 from Joe Biden?

00:47:42.360 And yes, I can acknowledge that.

00:47:44.700 And I'm very thankful for that, that we have a president who I think is coherent and who

00:47:50.680 is competent.

00:47:52.020 And despite all the noise and the craziness that we're constantly seeing from the media

00:47:56.820 about Huxeth, about all these people, like, I think that the Trump admin is doing a good

00:48:01.180 job and leading us in a good direction.

00:48:03.000 Also, over the weekend, American Idol celebrated Easter and they had several celebrities, artists

00:48:10.220 singing Christian songs.

00:48:13.180 And we're going to play you a clip of Carrie Underwood singing How Great Thou Art in just

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00:48:18.100 It's really beautiful.

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00:49:37.900 So I thought it was really sweet that American Idol did a three-hour special that were faith-inspired.

00:49:44.100 It was titled Songs of Faith, but they were specifically Christian.

00:49:48.520 I guess it wasn't intended to be specifically Christian, but it pretty much was.

00:49:53.960 Judges Lionel Richie, he performed Eternity.

00:49:57.280 Luke Bryan performed Jesus Bout My Kids.

00:50:01.240 What?

00:50:02.240 What does it mean?

00:50:03.300 I saw a clip on it, and the whole thing is, I used to talk to my kids about Jesus, now

00:50:07.580 I talk to Jesus about my kids.

00:50:09.100 Oh.

00:50:09.820 They couldn't include the...

00:50:11.320 Okay, y'all didn't hear that because Stephanie is not in the microphone, but it's talking to

00:50:17.240 Jesus about my kids.

00:50:18.680 I used to talk to my kids about Jesus, now I talk to Jesus about my kids.

00:50:22.240 About my kids.

00:50:22.980 Which is sweet, but I just feel like the other words could have been added to that to make

00:50:28.840 it more clear.

00:50:30.820 But, you know, I've had an issue with Catfish Dinner, that lyric, for a very long time.

00:50:37.500 Very long time.

00:50:38.680 No hate to Luke Bryan.

00:50:39.780 He seems like a nice, fun person.

00:50:41.740 But then we got Carrie Underwood.

00:50:43.160 She's performing How Great Thou Art.

00:50:45.120 And I've been listening to her hymn album for years.

00:50:49.340 If you don't have her hymn album on Spotify, it is one of the best.

00:50:55.040 She is so good, and this was really beautiful.

00:50:57.680 Here's thought seven.

00:50:58.280 Then sings my song, my Savior God, to ever be.

00:51:09.200 How great Thou art, how great Thou art.

00:51:19.260 Then sings my song, my Savior God, to Thee.

00:51:30.060 How great Thou art, how great Thou art.

00:51:41.040 So good.

00:51:42.180 So amazing.

00:51:43.280 She sang at the inauguration.

00:51:44.940 Remember that, where she had to sing a cappella.

00:51:46.540 What did she sing?

00:51:47.280 Do you remember?

00:51:47.700 Or, America, Great Is Thy Faithfulness.

00:51:51.300 Oh, did she?

00:51:52.100 No, wait.

00:51:53.160 No, no, no, no, no.

00:51:54.160 They played Great Is Thy Faithfulness, maybe instrumentally.

00:51:56.780 Was it America?

00:51:58.900 Okay, Bree's going to look it up.

00:52:00.560 But that was also an amazing moment.

00:52:03.000 The Sun reports that while ABC and American Idol producers made the final call in greenlighting

00:52:06.720 the special, Carrie Underwood was a big advocate for the special.

00:52:10.460 Good for her.

00:52:11.640 Also, Cece Winans.

00:52:13.880 She sang Come, Jesus, Come.

00:52:15.340 She also sang The Goodness of God on an American Idol special not too long ago.

00:52:19.760 That was amazing.

00:52:20.560 I love Cece Winans.

00:52:21.580 She's so talented.

00:52:23.220 Here is last night, or a couple nights ago, their performance.

00:52:26.700 Her performance, Sade.

00:52:28.020 One day he'll come, and we'll stand face to face, come and lay it all down, cause it might

00:52:44.560 be today.

00:52:48.700 The time is right now.

00:52:53.940 There's no need to wait.

00:52:59.120 Your past will be washed by rivers of rain.

00:53:07.880 Oh, so good.

00:53:09.100 I didn't want it to stop.

00:53:10.480 I wanted it to keep going.

00:53:11.600 I love her so much.

00:53:13.540 She's so good.

00:53:14.840 So good for American Idol.

00:53:16.820 I love that.

00:53:17.620 That was really beautiful, and God was honored, and the Word of God will not return void.

00:53:22.180 And so anything that was sung there that was direct from Scripture, God can use that.

00:53:29.080 He can use all of it, like any conveying of biblical truths.

00:53:33.440 Like God can use all of that, and you just have no idea how many seeds have been planted,

00:53:37.620 and that could just be a touch point in someone's testimony.

00:53:40.840 And so I'm very grateful for that, and good for Carrie Underwood for using her influence

00:53:45.740 to make sure the gospel is heard on a stage that reaches millions.

00:53:51.640 And she sang which song, was it?

00:53:53.440 America the Beautiful.

00:53:54.300 America the Beautiful.

00:53:55.160 That was so good.

00:53:56.560 All right.

00:53:57.080 I hope that was an encouraging episode for everyone.

00:53:59.620 I was super encouraged by so much of what I heard over Easter weekend, that many of your

00:54:03.440 churches were overflowing.

00:54:04.940 So many people heard the gospel for the first time.

00:54:07.060 So many baptisms.

00:54:08.520 Praise God.

00:54:09.800 Let us continue to pray that the gospel will go out, that He would use us, that He would

00:54:14.000 use our boldness, our prayers, our courage for such a time as this.

00:54:18.360 And we serve a really good sovereign God who is powerful and is going to protect His church

00:54:23.700 and is going to seek and save the lost.

00:54:26.100 And that's really, really good news.

00:54:27.960 All right.

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Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - April 22, 2025

Ep 1176 ｜ ‘The King of Kings'： The Biblical & the Questionable

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