Ep 1186 ｜ From Crunchy to Cultish： The Deconstruction of 'Rose Uncharted'
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A popular influencer, Rose Uncharted, has announced her deconstruction and has been promoting the idea of Christ Consciousness. Is this liberation, or is this an age old cultish false teaching? You can probably guess what I think.
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A popular Instagram influencer, Rose Uncharted, has announced her deconstruction and has been
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promoting the idea of Christ consciousness. Is this liberation or is this an age-old cultish
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false teaching? You can probably guess what I think, but we will take you through this journey
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Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Thursday. Hope everyone is having a wonderful week so far.
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All right. Today we are going to get into a subject that I've been wanting to talk about for a while,
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but it is so deep with so many different layers. I just wanted to make sure that we are fully
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prepared. And that is talking about a deconstruction journey of a particular influencer that has been
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over the past few years, extremely popular in the crunchy mom world. I've received a ton of messages
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about her recent posts talking about what I would call what she believes is some kind of liberation
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from the constrictions of traditional religion. And this is not an attack on this individual person.
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I'm not trying to even focus on this one individual, but the content that she has publicly
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produced and published on her Instagram is a really good example of false teaching that Christians need to
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be really aware of, especially the demographic in my audience. The Christian on the crunchy side mom
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that tends to question authority and question the government and push back against arbitrary rules.
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All of those things are great. I fall into those categories too. And a lot of Christians do.
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However, there is, I think, a susceptibility because of those character traits that we have,
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because we like to ask questions, to be attracted to certain forms of false teaching, perversions of
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Christianity that bill themselves as getting out of these constraints and thinking outside of the box,
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but is really just work of the devil, is really just an antichrist philosophy. So this particular
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influencer, she goes by the moniker Rose Uncharted. And again, this is not an attack on her. In fact,
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I feel very sad about all the things that we are going to talk about today, but I am even sadder,
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not just for her. I'm even sadder for those in her audience that have trusted her for several years,
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have looked to her even as a Christian or a biblical voice, and now are being led astray by a kind of
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ideology that leads straight to hell. That's how serious it is. Okay, what we're talking about today,
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they're not just differences of doctrinal opinions. They're not secondary and tertiary issues.
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We are talking about a very serious and at sometimes a very persuasive distortion of
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the gospel. And so the reason I'm talking about it is because I think there's a lot of overlap in
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our audience, because I really care about the truth, because I want you, when you see this kind
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of language, when you see this kind of unraveling happen among other people that you follow or people
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in your lives, I want you to be able to spot the language and to see that is a false teaching.
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That is new age. That is outside of scripture that is not going to give me the freedom, the happiness,
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the fulfillment that I am looking for. So let me tell you what's been going on. Maybe you're totally
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unaware of this. This still really applies to you too, even if you haven't followed this person,
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because this kind of deconstructive narrative, as we've been talking about for years now,
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is extremely pervasive. And you'll see why it's attractive to so many people, I would say,
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in particular, women. So this person, Rose Untarted, she's got over 165,000 followers. She became really
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popular during COVID because she pushed back, rightly, against a lot of the COVID regulations. That just
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didn't make sense. We're restricting our freedoms. We're actually counterproductive to making us
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healthier, especially when it came to widespread mask mandates and vaccine mandates. And so that is
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why a lot of people in my audience, and I might've even followed her for a while too, but why a lot of
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women followed her? Because she was this very bold voice. She is a mom. She is holistic. She's for
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natural medicine and natural birth. She asks questions about typical Western medicine. And
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that is something that a lot of people in the conservative Christian mom crowd do as well.
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And she was kind of leading the charge in a lot of this. And she was also using scripture to do so,
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or she was using what seemed like kind of Christian ideas. Now, I don't think, I don't know if I ever
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followed her. I don't follow her now, and I haven't followed her for a very long time, if I ever did.
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But certainly, like, the language that she kind of used surrounding Christianity was not something
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that was appealing to me. They were kind of these, to me, name it and claim it concepts, which is also
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something that is unfortunately extremely pervasive in, like, the conservative, crunchy world,
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and almost ethereal and close to scriptural, but not quite. But yeah, I could see how if someone
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liked her and liked her anti-COVID regulations content, that you would appreciate that she
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sprinkled scripture in, that she talked about God every now and then. And we started to see,
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I started to get messages about this, about a year ago, that she was beginning to deconstruct.
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Now, if you don't know what deconstruction is, I would say it's a very polite euphemism
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to describe the process that a Christian goes through when they no longer believe what the Bible
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teaches about a lot of things. In general, I'm not even talking about this individual. In general,
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it usually has to do with social issues and politics. Very often, I see someone who they
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have someone in their life who has just come out as gay. They've started to question the things about
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gender, about identity, sexuality, or maybe they just didn't like Donald Trump. They don't like the
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Republican Party. They were hurt by the conservative evangelical church that they grew up in.
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So because of that, from that place of hurt or from that place sometimes of empathy, they start to
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deconstruct. They start to look at the parts of the Bible that they think have justified, the things
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that they disagree with and that have hurt them, and they throw those away. And then they are kind of
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left with remnants of the Bible that I think by themselves don't give you a full or accurate
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picture of what Christianity really is or who Jesus really was. They almost always become progressive.
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They almost always become progressive socially, morally, culturally, politically, and they begin to
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reject the idea of heaven and hell, of punishment, of judgment, of Jesus actually dying on the cross
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for our sins. Very often, they end up going into the realm of universalism. They end up rejecting
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John 14, 6, that Jesus is the way, the truth, and life, that no one can come to the Father except
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through him. And so that's kind of what ends up happening. Now, some people deconstruct,
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and they make their way back. And that is beautiful. They can give us a lot of wisdom,
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like Elisa Childers, whom we've had on this podcast. She's spoken at Share the Arrows.
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She's talked about that journey. There are people who have that as their testimony.
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And there are people who have to disentangle, as Ginger Duggar Volo has told us, who will also be at
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Share the Arrows. She had to disentangle some of the legalism that she grew up with, that it wasn't
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actually biblical, some of the things that she believed in practice when she grew up.
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And so she disentangled from that, but she didn't move further away from the Bible and
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further away from the gospel. She moved more deeply into the Bible to see what does God really
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say? And what is the gospel really? Like, what is the freedom that is found in Christ? What does
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that really look like? So that is different than the deconstruction, which instead of moving deeper
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into scripture, instead of assuming in humility that maybe we just don't understand everything,
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maybe our discomfort isn't an indicator that the Bible is wrong, but an indicator that we are wrong
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and that we need to be helped and we need to be sanctified. So the deconstructionist moves outside
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of scripture to other sources. And that is typically how the journey goes in thinking they've discovered
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something so big and so much bigger than Christianity and the Bible and all of that. So just to define that
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term of deconstruction. But Rose Uncharted posted something in April of 2024. She said the liberation
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that comes from not having to categorize everything into the dualism of good or bad. It's not about
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indifference or apathy. It's understanding the vast spectrum of existence without the need to classify
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or judge it. And actually a commenter under that post from a year ago says, the caption seems a
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long way to say you're deconstructing and that definitive truth doesn't exist, that your truth
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changes. Humility and acknowledgement that your understanding of the world is not absolute is
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wise, but this is why God makes it crystal clear what is good and what is bad. So our human lens doesn't
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get in the way. So I think that that's a really wise comment. It seems like a lot of her followers at the
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time realize that, okay, this is what's happening. That there is a deconstruction happening here.
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She seems to be abandoning the true principles of Christianity and that is worrisome. We'll get
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And then in May of last year, she posted a real, do you have a biblical worldview or do you have a
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worldview shaped by your subcultures version of Christianity? Okay. That's something that I've
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seen progressive say a lot. Like you can't say what a biblical worldview is. It's completely subjective
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and you are actually just influenced by your political party or America or your Western lens
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and you don't actually have a biblical worldview. In November of 2024, she announced that she is
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looking into or that she is practicing astrology. So she said, Pluto is now in Aquarius, the age of
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unchecked authority and power imbalances is over. All right. So this is like as good as of an
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announcement that you are departing from Christian principles as any. We know that astrology
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is divination. And divination is the attempt to interact with the divine or what you think is the
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divine, the supernatural outside of the biblical channels of prayer, outside of the regulations that God
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in his grace, in his goodness, in his clarity has given us. So you're looking for divine power,
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divine wisdom outside of the source of these things in astrology or in a medium, in the dead. All of these
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things count as sorcery and divination. Astrology is a part of that. So just as an aside, you don't need to
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know your zodiac sign. It tells you nothing that is demonic and you need to depart from that. If you are still
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reading like your little astrology sign readings in your magazine, when I was growing up, it was like
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in 17 magazine and you could read like what boy is going to IM you back that month based on your
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zodiac sign, whatever it is today, however you are reading your zodiac signs today, you got to get out
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of that. Okay. It's demonic and it is going to pull you further away from Christ, further away from the
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truth, not help you really understand more about yourself. Only the God who created you can help
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you understand more about yourself. And God knew that astrology and divination and sorcery, that it's
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from the devil, because there aren't three powers. There are only two powers. There's Satan's powers,
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the prince of the power of the air, as we read in Ephesians 2. And then there's God's power. There is
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light and there is darkness. So everything that is not of God is of Satan. So sorcery, divination,
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mediums, trying to communicate with the dead, witchcraft, magic, all of that kind of stuff. I'm not just
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talking about like fictional magical stories, like the lion, the witch, and the wardrobe, but stuff that
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is actually trying to be practiced today using power that is not God's. All of that is of Satan. And God
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wants to protect us from that. He wants to protect us from the burden that that places on us to believe
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that we are our own gods and we have that power in ourselves because we make terrible gods and it's a
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burden that we are not strong enough to bear. And he wants to protect us from the predation of Satan
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who seeks to kill, steal, and destroy, not actually help us. Okay? So there's a reason that God warrants
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his people in the Old Testament against divination. Deuteronomy 18, 10 through 12 says,
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there shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering,
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anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens. So he is literally putting,
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God is putting psychics in the category of people who sacrifice their children. Because we see
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throughout history that those kind of pagan practices end up going hand in hand. I am not
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saying, because we've had ex-psychics on the show, I am not saying that they are simultaneously
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practicing those things or that they even are condoning those practices, all people who dabble in
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astrology and things like that. But God is telling us those two things in cultures, in societies,
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tend to go together. He also says in Deuteronomy, a sorcerer or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer,
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so that's someone who's communicating with the dead. We're not supposed to communicate with the
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dead. Remember that. Or one who inquires of the dead, for whoever does these things is an abomination
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to the Lord. And because of these abominations, the Lord your God is driving them out before you.
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Okay? So astrology is not okay. We had a lot of commenters, thankfully, biblically sound commenters
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comment on that post and say, oh, this is not cool. And then in February 2025, we had the post that
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officially announced the deconstruction, where she posted an Instagram reel. Well, okay, actually,
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no, we're not there yet. This was a hint at the deconstruction. Posted an Instagram reel that she was
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lip syncing the lyrics of a song, Get Lost, that talks about some kind of liberation from man-made
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religion. And then in the caption, she said, stepping out of religion feels like stepping out of a room
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that was never built for me in the first place. It was never about truth. It was about pledging
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allegiance to the Bible, not as something to seek and wrestle with, but as something already decided
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for you, imposed upon you, interpreted for you by men through the ages with a variety of intentions,
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good and bad. I've come to believe. So actually, I guess this is an announcement. My note said that
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this was hinting at it, but this seems like an announcement to me. I've come to believe Christianity
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is a corrupt and flawed man-made system designed to keep us afraid of ourselves, afraid of our own
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instincts, afraid of wanting more, afraid of our very own hearts. She says, now the unknown is no longer
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a threat to me. No more measuring every step against an old ledger of sin and salvation because
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freedom isn't about answers. It's about movement. I'm dancing at the edge of the map, realizing that
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home is in a single place, yada, yada, yada. So she's saying that outside of religion, she has been
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able to really find God for herself. And then we also see in February 2025, the Western versus Eastern
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comparison. And gosh, I see this so much in progressive circles, the demonization of the
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Western lens and the Western mentality as if Western civilization, because of Christianity,
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isn't responsible for the concept of human rights. Like I loathe that it is such a, like, I hear that
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in sermons and in women's Bible studies all the time. We just have to forget our Western lens or put
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off our Western lens, but we never tell people to put off their Eastern lens as if like Eastern means
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good and right, and that they can see God better, understand God better just because they might be
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geographically a little bit closer to Jerusalem. I just think that's silly. Like Eastern philosophy
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is extremely vulnerable as well to all kinds of false teaching, all kinds of mysticism and new age.
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In fact, it is Eastern mysticism making its way into the United States, wetting itself with
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progressivism and the prosperity gospel that has really created this unholy trinity of deadly ideology
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that I think women are very attracted to. So she made a post in February of 2025,
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talking about Western versus Eastern that, you know, um, the perspective, she's had a perspective
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shift that has been liberating, um, felt restricted within Christianity. And she said she has fondness
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for times under the Christian label, but now she's deepening her, um, deepening her spirituality by
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looking at other perspectives. And then she mentions a podcast, which everyone needs to be aware of. And
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I've heard this podcast, I've heard about this podcast before, and it is a podcast that was created
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by someone named Marty Solomon. It's supposed to be a discipleship tool, um, but it is basically
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encouraging deconstruction. It is encouraging a questioning of the Bible from a progressive
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perspective. If you look at a lot of the resources that are referenced in this podcast that she recommends
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and says she learns from, we've got, for example, we've got Brian D. McLaren. McLaren is widely regarded
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as a leader in the deconstruction movement. He said in the past that homosexuality is not sinful. He encourages
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people to doubt the Christian faith. Rob Bell, you'll probably remember a lot. Rob Bell, he wrote that book,
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Love Wins. He expressed a universalist sentiment that basically love wins. So everyone gets to go to heaven
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one day. Rachel Held Evans. She died a few years ago, but she was also extremely progressive,
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extremely pro-LGBTQ, questioning the traditions of the faith. And then you've got several other
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authors like that. And then you've got this person. Well, okay, let me mention Sarah Bessie. You remember
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Sarah Bessie? Um, I'm pretty sure she's the person that wrote that compilation of prayers a few years
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ago. This would have been 2021 that I talked about this and it was included in her compilation of
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prayers and devos for women was literally titled a prayer to hate white people. Okay. So these are
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the people that are apparently the Sherpas leading people outside of a Christian faith into a more
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quote unquote liberated faith. And then we've got this really important person that we are going to
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talk about more deeply. And that is Richard Rohr. Richard Rohr is the founder of the Center for
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Action and Contemplation. He founded that in 1987. He is maybe not the founder of, but probably the
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biggest propeller of this idea of Christ consciousness. And so just remember that Christ
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consciousness, cosmic Christ, because we're going to get into that. We can see in the post that we're
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about to talk about that Rose Uncharted has been, whether she even knows it or not, extremely
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affected by Richard Rohr, who is not in any sense of the word, a true Christian does not believe in
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Christian values or Christian doctrines, but uses, and this is what all cults do. This is what many
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false teachings do. He uses some Christian language to make you believe that what he is preaching is the
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real Christianity, that what you've learned and what you've heard and what has been passed down for
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thousands and thousands of years through the word of God, that that's not real. That's not right.
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I've got something special that I can access and you can access too if you listen to me. Yes,
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that's what cult leaders do. And so Richard Rohr is very, very big in that movement. So we'll get
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In March 2025, Rose Uncharted posted this reel about the remembering. And I just want to show
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it to you because actually the visuals in this video, I think, are very important. They're very
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significant. They were purposely curated to communicate a particular message. And I think
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that message is important. Here's that one. I remember. And in this remembering, I like the first
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thing. This flame was buried when the old world took the throne. This is the remembering of the
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light that always belonged to you. All right. So what she is trying to communicate here seems to be
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what she has been hinting at for a long time, that religion or man-made philosophies, ideologies,
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those are really holding you back. Christianity as a tradition is what she would call a man-made
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religion. That is holding you back. That seems to be what she is communicating here. I will say,
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whether she intends this or not, the symbolism and the actions taken in this video look a lot like
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witchcraft. It looks a lot like witchcraft. The lighting of the torch, the empowerment,
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empowerment. And there's more that she says. She says, I am here to say, yes, this is the remembering
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of the light that always belonged to you. A light that no priest, no king, no system can mediate.
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The light in your body and soul, older than doctrine, older than empire. It's another word
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important to remember. Older than forgetting itself. I light this torch because I remember,
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and now so will you. If your bones hum as I speak, if your skin prickles. So see that emotionalism
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right there. If your body leans forward without knowing why, it's because you were always meant to
00:27:46.140
remember too. This was always a part of you. This also really reminds me, you know, I've talked to
00:27:52.600
the guys from Cultish for a while. And so I have like all of these, you know, different facts about
00:27:59.700
the different cults because of a lot of the ex-cultists that I've talked to as well. But this is very
00:28:05.740
typical in the new age. It's typical in all different kinds of cults. This idea that, oh,
00:28:13.040
you feel a certain way about what I'm saying because that is the divine or that is a spark in you or that
00:28:20.320
is your ancestors or that is, you know, some kind of deep primal knowing in you that what I'm saying
00:28:27.700
is true and you belong here. And look, you can make people feel a lot of things through visuals
00:28:33.600
and what you're saying. And that's not always wrong as long as what you are saying is true.
00:28:40.660
And then we've got the conversation, and this will go back to Richard Rohr and the Christ
00:28:44.640
consciousness. We've got the conversation about Christ frequency. So there's a post from April,
00:28:53.440
2026, 2025 rather. The Christ frequency was never meant to be contained. It was meant to awaken. But
00:29:01.220
when empire saw how powerful it was, it did what empire always does. It institutionalized it. The
00:29:08.120
way of inner liberation became a tool of outer control. A living current was translated into
00:29:13.220
doctrine, hierarchy, and fear. You see the assumption there. The assumption is that tradition and that any
00:29:21.220
form of hierarchy and that doctrine are all bad, and that what she is preaching, which is very unclear
00:29:29.680
and extremely vague and extremely subjective and based on your own personal feelings, that that is
00:29:36.600
liberation, but that the Bible in these doctrines and theology, that all of that is restrictive.
00:29:44.320
And then she posted this, April, 2025. Christ is not a person. Christ is not a person. It's a frequency,
00:29:53.380
a radiant, holy remembrance of union. It lives in you. It lives in me. It lives in the ones who have never set
00:30:02.220
foot in a church. So she then interprets scripture, the Beatitudes, Jesus's words, in light of this idea of
00:30:12.000
Christ consciousness. Blessed are the meek really means, she says, the power that is already inside
00:30:17.680
you. Love your enemies. Nothing is truly outside of you. The first shall be last. Ego must fall for
00:30:23.520
soul to rise. The kingdom is within. Stop seeking what you already are. So that's her new interpretation
00:30:30.160
of scripture. And she says, and this is what a lot of people say who go this direction, that they're
00:30:35.200
closer to Jesus than ever, actually. I never left Jesus. I left the illusion of him. I left the gate
00:30:41.320
keepers, the performance, the shame and holy clothes. And on the other side, I found something wilder and
00:30:45.780
quieter. I found the Christed light inside me. And then there is another reel that she posted. She used
00:30:54.140
the song Cassandra by Taylor Swift. I guess Cassandra is some kind of prophet. I don't know. Mythological
00:31:05.180
Trojan princess cursed to utter true prophecies that no one believed. So I think she is saying,
00:31:12.940
Taylor Swift is saying that she is Cassandra. And Rose Uncharted is also saying that she's Cassandra.
00:31:18.340
How do we have so many Cassandras? It's crazy. And then we also have another infographic about this
00:31:26.320
in, let's see, April 2025, talking about Trump, that Trump helped the awakening, but then he's
00:31:37.340
kind of like a part of the institution. So, all right, let's break this down. What is all of this
00:31:43.140
actually? Is this some new message that she has discovered that really is going to liberate you and
00:31:49.080
fulfill you? And maybe this is attractive to you. If you've been let down by your local church,
00:31:53.800
if your pastor hurts you, if you find the rules of religion restrictive, if you find the idea of
00:32:01.400
denying yourself and taking up your cross and following Christ unappealing, maybe something
00:32:06.440
like this that is deeper and mystical and based on your emotions, maybe you are a more emotional
00:32:12.340
person. Maybe you're more artistic. Maybe you're more creative. Maybe you do naturally buck against
00:32:19.180
authority. And so all of these are persuasive to you. First, let me say, I can relate to a lot of
00:32:24.740
that. I also loathe arbitrary rules. I don't hate all rules, but my natural instinct is to ask why.
00:32:33.660
Always. You can ask my parents. You can ask any teacher that I've ever had. And I do not naturally
00:32:39.880
submit to authority. A lot of people do. A lot of people, I'm not even saying that that's bad when
00:32:45.080
people are naturally just kind of like respect authority. I think that makes life easier in a
00:32:50.420
lot of ways. But I have never been like that. So I can relate to the idea of not wanting to be
00:32:57.920
restricted. I am more of a free spirit in a lot of ways. Maybe that would surprise a lot of you,
00:33:04.280
but I really am. Like, I want to know why. I want to dig into it. But I have also, as I have been that
00:33:10.540
way my entire life, as I've asked a lot of questions and as I've thought hard, I keep going
00:33:16.200
back to Jesus. Like, I keep going back to this guy that we are still counting time around, that his
00:33:25.000
death and his birth and his resurrection was so monumental that we can't get him out of our minds
00:33:31.060
and our mouths and our lives, and that he is the same yesterday, today, and forever. We know that from
00:33:38.640
Hebrews 13, 8, but that he is still disrupting earthly philosophies and science and scholarship
00:33:46.580
seems to always be catching up with him and catching up with scripture. And so when I see
00:33:52.600
things like this, this kind of deconstruction, while I can relate to it, I also realize that it is a result
00:33:58.860
of walking away from the Bible, of walking away from Christ, of walking away from the church and
00:34:04.700
thinking you know better. It is an exchange of the God of scripture for the God of self, and it really
00:34:10.360
is a tale as old as time. So this idea of Christ consciousness, we've talked about this before. We
00:34:17.880
talked about this first in probably 2024. So I would go back and listen to an episode that we did. It was
00:34:24.980
actually about the whole Candace Owens, Christ is King thing. We talked about Christ consciousness in
00:34:29.540
that. In its popular usage today, it's a new age term. It's not Christian in any sense. I think even
00:34:37.100
Russell Brand has talked about it before. It's an Eastern mystical idea that you hear used in Buddhism
00:34:41.980
and Hinduism, other pagan religions. It basically means reaching your higher self, a transcendent level
00:34:49.280
of self-awareness, personal development. It has nothing to do with Christianity. It has nothing to do with
00:34:54.680
the gospel. It has nothing to do with a real biblical Jesus. It is a God of self, man-made cult. So it is
00:35:03.440
this new age concept that says that spiritual awareness or being aware of the frequency of
00:35:11.800
people around you, of the things around you, of the ideas around you will help you reach
00:35:17.520
enlightenment through personal spiritual growth. It draws from different ideologies like Gnosticism,
00:35:26.520
Eastern mysticism. This idea believes that Jesus, if he was a real historical person, which he was,
00:35:36.180
that is really irrefutable. There's no serious historian that denies that Jesus of Nazareth really
00:35:41.400
existed. But they would say, if he was even a real person, then he was just an example, even beyond a
00:35:49.440
moral teacher, because some people just completely illogically believe that. That's the Lord liar
00:35:55.220
lunatic problem that C.S. Lewis put forth, but that he was really a frequency. He was really an idea.
00:36:02.140
He was really something to which we can attain. And gosh, I see this kind of language so much
00:36:08.260
that everyone can attain to be the example of Christ. But Christ isn't like a savior. He wasn't
00:36:15.860
God-made flesh. He wasn't a real person. They don't even believe that he really bodily conquered
00:36:20.920
death and rose from the dead. He's just this kind of mystical idea and concept that we can all
00:36:27.640
attain to. The path is open for anyone, the center of Christ consciousness says. It's the cosmic
00:36:35.260
Christ. And it's the cosmic Christ is really interchangeable with the divine self. It is
00:36:41.680
the highest state of intellectual and development and emotional maturity. This reminds me, honestly,
00:36:46.620
a lot of Christian science and Scientology in a lot of ways. And as I said earlier, one of the biggest
00:36:52.680
proponents of Christ consciousness is author Richard Rohr. So Richard Rohr says he's a priest. He's an
00:37:02.700
author. He is an influential spiritual teacher. He started the Center for Action and Contemplation in
00:37:08.300
1987. And he supposedly is supposed to help people with their spiritual growth. He wrote a book most
00:37:17.800
recently. I think one of his most recent books is The Universal Christ. That's definitely one of his
00:37:24.260
books. I'm just not sure when it was published. But this is really where he puts forth his idea of
00:37:29.400
Christ consciousness. And remember, Richard Rohr is a big contributor to the podcast that Rose
00:37:35.400
Uncharted said helped her, you know, unlearn all of Christian doctrine. He writes that Christ is a
00:37:43.360
universal cosmic presence, not necessarily tied to Jesus, but still present in all of creation. So this
00:37:49.700
is where we see that kind of Gnosticism. He seems to suggest that Christ is a state of awareness where
00:37:56.160
one sees the divine in everything. So again, this is just so careful. It's so important that we're
00:38:04.600
careful here. Seeing the divine in everything is not the same thing as seeing the image of God in
00:38:10.760
everyone. Gnosticism, this idea that there is like, you know, some higher knowledge that we can attain to
00:38:18.400
also usually posits this idea that there is the divine in everything. There's a divine frequency.
00:38:25.720
There's kind of like some kind of cosmic frequency in everything. And that's how we're all
00:38:31.300
interconnected and empire and powers and man-made religions. They're trying to separate us and tear
00:38:38.060
us all apart. But if we recognize that there's Christ in everything, not just the Imago Dei in
00:38:45.320
everyone, then we will all finally be connected and we will be liberated. Roar's Center for Action
00:38:54.000
and Contemplation published an article in November of 2020 that went so far as to say that the kingdom
00:39:00.240
of heaven is a consciousness, that heaven is a metaphor. Gosh, this is so old. It's so tired.
00:39:06.180
And that's why I think it's so important just to show like where this comes from, that this has been
00:39:10.780
around for a very long time. It predates Richard Roar. If you look at the history of psychology,
00:39:16.020
really, if you want to crash course in this, you should read my first book, You're Not Enough,
00:39:19.600
and that's okay escaping the toxic culture of self-love. I know that I'm getting into kind of
00:39:25.240
controversial territory here, but we've talked about it before. If you look at the roots of a
00:39:29.680
lot of personality tests, if you look at the roots of psychology, if you look at the roots of things
00:39:34.380
like the Enneagram, they're not Christian roots. They're psychological roots. Even the guy who created
00:39:40.420
the Enneagram, he said that he got the vision from Megatron, a demon. Okay. All of this kind of goes
00:39:46.260
together because it's all focused on the self and the higher self. And Christ is kind of being used
00:39:52.000
as a way to worship the self in this whole Christ consciousness frequency world. So Richard Roar
00:40:02.200
believes that heaven is not a place you go. It's a consciousness that you start to embody. And what
00:40:07.980
these people typically believe is that heaven, hell, and the constructs of sin and salvation,
00:40:13.880
that these are all used to disempower people and to oppress people and to keep people in these
00:40:20.180
tight boxes. The problem is they never present a good alternative. Okay. Let me pause and remind you
00:40:26.600
that we've got good, we've got Share the Arrows. I almost said Good Ranchers, but Share the Arrows is
00:40:30.700
brought to you by our friends at Good Ranchers this year. And I'm so excited. October 11th, Dallas,
00:40:37.360
Texas. Y'all, it's going to be so good. All the stuff that we're talking about today,
00:40:41.080
if you are interested in it, if you are overwhelmed by it, if you want to know more about it, you need
00:40:46.400
to come to Share the Arrows because we're going to have Elisa Childers, who I think is the best at
00:40:51.040
talking about all of this, at pushing back biblically against all of this. And she is going
00:40:55.760
to be talking about the new age, how we battled the new age, what it looks like. And Elisa was one of
00:41:01.800
the favorite talks last year. I knew we had to bring her back because she is just incredible.
00:41:06.780
So you'll hear from her, Ginger Duggar Volo, who was also talked about deconstruction versus
00:41:12.240
disentangling. Katie Faust, she is so good at pushing back against the spirit of the age.
00:41:18.060
Shauna Holman, Taylor Dukes, how can we be crunchy and holistic in a way that actually honors God and
00:41:23.360
actually looks to the Bible instead of departing from it? Francesca Battistelli has also been pushing
00:41:28.100
back in the comments very gently to Rose Uncharted and pointing her to Christ. And so if you want to be
00:41:35.260
around people who know the gospel, who love God, and who care about pushing back against the culture
00:41:41.960
in a way that is gospel-oriented, bringing light into darkness, whether it's in or outside of your
00:41:47.960
homes, then you need to come to Share the Arrows, y'all. Go to sharethearrows.com. October 11th,
00:41:53.880
Dallas, Texas. Related Bros out there, if you are listening to this episode, get your wife to Share
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the Arrows ticket. Just trust me on that. I, of course, will be there, and I will be delivering my own
00:42:02.820
speech as well. Go to sharethearrows.com. So there are other New Age teachers that talk about this
00:42:15.740
philosophy. A Course in Miracles by Helen Shuckman was published in 1976, and she also put forth this
00:42:26.060
idea of the Christ consciousness or the universal Christ. She said, the name of Jesus Christ as such
00:42:32.800
is but a symbol. It is a symbol that is safely used as a replacement for the many names of all
00:42:37.620
the gods to which you pray. So it's just straight up paganism. Remember Marianne Williamson? She ran
00:42:43.640
for president. She wrote a book all the way back in 1992, the year I was born, called A Return to
00:42:50.660
Love. And that actually popularized that book that I just cited, that Helen Shuckman book, A Course in
00:42:57.460
Miracles, where she puts forth this idea too, that Christ consciousness is really about self-enlightenment.
00:43:04.140
We've got Deepak Chopra. He blends Eastern mysticism with Christian terms. So it's Eastern mysticism as
00:43:11.540
well as Hinduism and Buddhism. He says Jesus represents a state of consciousness, what I call
00:43:16.960
Christ consciousness, what I call Christ consciousness. Dude, that's been around for a long time. You didn't
00:43:21.340
come up with that. He wrote in 2008, the third Jesus, the Christ we cannot ignore. The third Jesus.
00:43:29.060
At the level of pure consciousness, there is no separation between you and the divine. So here's
00:43:36.100
the problem with all of this. I mean, there's a big problem, and we'll get into the scripture in just a
00:43:39.980
second. But the big problem is that these people never tell you the alternative. They tell you that
00:43:46.820
right and wrong are subjective, that Christianity doesn't really have it, that it's been infected by
00:43:51.760
empire. And that's really just a way, and maybe not all of these people, but that's really just a way
00:43:58.240
to tell you that if you are a Christian that allows your Christianity to inform your worldview, including
00:44:03.340
your vote, then you're a scary Christian nationalist fascist, and you've allowed empire to infect your
00:44:09.920
theology and blah, blah, blah. You need to stop doing that and just be progressive. It's just
00:44:15.540
silly. It's just silly. We're supposed to shine light in the darkness, and if that changes how the
00:44:19.940
empire does things, if that stops them from sacrificing babies, then praise God. That's a
00:44:25.000
really big win. So your little empire finger wagging is not going to work on me, okay? Jesus is the
00:44:31.000
authority of all things, including our politics, including our governments. Anyway, so they'll say
00:44:38.040
things like that, but then they won't ever tell you, okay, but what is actually true? What is right and
00:44:44.080
what is wrong? Is that something that we should be completely unconcerned with? I don't think so,
00:44:48.980
because just like every moral relativist for all of time, people are moral relativists in the abstract
00:44:56.060
only. And what I mean by that is that you are a moral relativist until someone steals your bike,
00:45:03.180
until someone punches you in the face, until someone trips your child on the sidewalk,
00:45:08.420
until they defraud you. And then you very much believe in an objective right and wrong. And in
00:45:16.420
fact, I know Rose believes in an objective right and wrong because she was rightly speaking out against
00:45:22.080
the constitutional infringements that the government was guilty of during the COVID era. Like, she
00:45:28.580
understands that personal liberty is actually an objective good. That's a good thing. And by the way,
00:45:35.380
like, we wouldn't even have a concept of that if it weren't for what Christianity, by the way,
00:45:42.100
without Christianity, without the Bible, without the Protestant Reformation, we certainly wouldn't
00:45:46.700
have America and this concept of individual rights and self-governance and personal freedom.
00:45:52.380
She seems to believe in some of those things, which she believes are objective rights. And so everyone
00:45:59.000
who believes that, oh, there's just a lot of gray, that morality is just kind of cultural. It's just
00:46:05.920
relative from person to person. Yeah. Until someone does something to you, and then you realize there
00:46:12.060
is an objective wrong. Because the reality is, is that God wrote eternity on the human heart. We are
00:46:19.220
made in the image of God. And so when we instinctively know that something is unjust, when something is
00:46:26.160
wrong, when something is done to us that feels really bad, we know it's wrong. Because whether
00:46:31.140
we are Christians or not, because we've been made in God's image, we have some kind of instinct and
00:46:37.580
wisdom that tells us that. Jack Marino, who has been on this show before, she was into witchcraft.
00:46:47.140
She was into the New Age. She was into cults. She's an amazing young woman. And the episode we did
00:46:54.040
with her was extremely successful because her testimony is just so compelling. And how dark
00:47:00.000
she went in believing into the extra, believing the extraterrestrial, believing a lot of this
00:47:04.280
stuff that we articulated. She talked on our show about this Christ consciousness. She says that
00:47:10.380
Christ consciousness, self-love and embracing my shadow. She said that this was the belief that
00:47:15.620
your sin isn't really sin. It's just shame. That's what a lot of these people will tell you.
00:47:19.740
She said, could never have truly saved or delivered me from my sin and shame. She said,
00:47:25.460
there were so many ways I tried to have freedom from bondage my own way, embracing my own version
00:47:30.820
of Christ in the ways that I desired and ultimately making myself my own God. These things didn't have
00:47:36.720
any power. Nothing changed and none of these things made me happy. I was deeply miserable and always knew
00:47:43.060
that there was something missing. The fact is that we make terrible, terrible gods. There is one true
00:47:48.900
God, the God of the Bible, and he truly saves. I was reminded of this verse. When Jesus is speaking to his
00:48:06.340
disciples and he asks Simon Peter, well, he actually asks all of them. He says, who do you say that I am?
00:48:19.560
Simon Peter replied, you are the Christ, the son of the living God. And Jesus answered him,
00:48:26.060
blessed are you, Simon Barjona, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my father who is
00:48:33.440
in heaven. So it wasn't some man-made construction that revealed to Peter that Jesus was not only just
00:48:41.660
Christ consciousness, not just an example, but the son of the living God, that he is the Messiah,
00:48:50.080
that he is the one who came to save us. It wasn't some man-made tradition or empire that told him that.
00:48:58.200
In fact, it was the Roman Empire saying, no, there is no king but Caesar, and you will not
00:49:05.160
buck against our system. It was the religious, zealous Jews of the time that didn't like Jesus'
00:49:13.200
authority and didn't like them questioning their own, the Pharisees' interpretation, wrong
00:49:19.400
interpretation of Scripture. It was the Holy Spirit. It was our Father in heaven who revealed
00:49:27.600
to Peter that Christ is who he says he is, that he is the son of the living God.
00:49:34.960
And the Bible, which is reliable, which is true, which has been compiled by people who have been
00:49:43.300
led by the Holy Spirit. I mean, they've been so—if you go to the Museum of the Bible, you will see
00:49:49.000
how people throughout history for thousands of years have been so dedicated, so scrupulous,
00:49:55.160
for no other reason except for that they loved God's Word, to interpret God's Word, to handle God's
00:50:01.940
Word correctly, to ensure that the biblical canon is correct. It is incredible, the survival and the
00:50:08.300
persistence of the 66 books of the Bible. Like, it is absolutely amazing. There is no other
00:50:14.380
explanation for it when you go through the Museum of the Bible except for God. He's totally sovereign
00:50:19.520
and he's totally powerful. So the biblical view of Jesus, we read in John 1, in the beginning was the
00:50:25.380
Word, and the Word was God, and the Word was with God, and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us.
00:50:31.720
Flesh, okay? Not just an idea. And we have seen his glory. Glory as the only Son from the Father,
00:50:39.400
full of grace and truth. 1 Corinthians 15, 3-4,
00:50:43.040
For I deliver to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins in
00:50:49.100
accordance with the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance
00:50:56.120
For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.
00:51:03.760
The biblical view is that salvation comes through Jesus alone.
00:51:08.620
For by grace you have been saved through faith. This is not your own doing. It is a gift of God,
00:51:12.960
not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
00:51:17.000
Galatians 2, 16. Yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law, but through faith
00:51:23.060
in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus in order to be justified by faith
00:51:28.140
in Christ, not works of the law. She believes, Rose believes, that salvation is self-realization,
00:51:35.720
that it's awakening to the Christed light. And let me tell you, this is a burden that is heavy.
00:51:40.940
This is a yoke that is difficult. Jesus says, my burden is light. My yoke is easy.
00:51:49.260
But the burden of the God of self is heavy. The burden, the yoke of the God of self is extremely
00:51:56.880
difficult because in this worldview, while it seems liberating, it is placing on you a responsibility
00:52:04.000
that you can't bear. To be your own light, to be your own satisfaction, to be your own fulfillment,
00:52:12.340
to be your own liberation. You cannot be those things. You're not enough. And that's not only okay,
00:52:20.000
but that is really good news. That God made you insufficient. He made you fallible. He made you
00:52:26.800
to need him for strength, for wisdom, for salvation, for sanctification. That is the truth about who you
00:52:35.640
are and who Christ is. And that is much better news than this, because if it is up to you to go down
00:52:41.260
this cosmic route to find some kind of elevated self, transcendent idea of who you are, then oh my
00:52:49.460
goodness. How stressful is that? Like how big of an obligation is that? But instead you get to deny
00:52:58.520
yourself, take up your cross and follow Christ who promises to finish the good work in you that
00:53:05.340
he initiated by grace through faith. Like that is the gospel, that salvation does not exist inside of
00:53:12.060
ourselves. That salvation is not a path of self-discovery. That salvation is not about walking up the
00:53:18.380
mountain. See, what she is proposing is what every false religion for all of time and still today
00:53:23.900
has proposed. That here's what you have to do. Here's how you climb up the mountain to be good
00:53:30.680
enough. Here's where you go and what you have to accomplish and what you have to check off your list
00:53:37.020
to finally be satisfied or to finally reach salvation, to finally reach God. But Christianity is the
00:53:45.660
opposite. Christianity says there's nothing you can do. And so Christ, God, is going to come down the
00:53:52.000
mountain and save you even when you were dead in your trespasses. Christ made you alive by grace
00:53:57.700
through faith. That's Ephesians 2. There's nothing you can do to save yourself. And there is nothing more
00:54:02.500
truly liberating than that. The grace that we find in Christ rather than the legalism that is
00:54:10.600
masquerading as liberation that we find in this kind of cult-like mentality. So I just want you to
00:54:19.500
be able to see this for what it is. It is a cult-like mentality. It is a false teaching and it will lead
00:54:24.900
to hell. And you need to pray for every single person that is susceptible to this, that is believing
00:54:30.240
this, but especially those who are teaching this. This is serious stuff. Serious stuff. All right. Let me tell
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going to be able to tell you the full infallible truth. Here's the sign of not a cult. Here's the sign
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of a group or a faith that is confident in its doctrines. When I can say to you, you don't have
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to listen to me. I don't have anything special to offer to you. I am not the medium or the mentor
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that you need. In fact, no one is. I want you to learn the truth for yourself, and I am completely
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doesn't need to be defended. It just needs to be unleashed. And so when you talk about, oh, gatekeepers
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of religion, really, these new age cults have a lot of gatekeepers because they are telling you that
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they have channeled a very special frequency, and it's up to them to tell you about it and to help
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you channel that frequency too. Yeah, that's gatekeeping. And again, it is legalism that is
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