Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - May 12, 2025


Ep 1187 ｜ Are Pro-Life Organizations Secretly Protecting Abortion？ ｜ Guest： Abby Johnson

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Abby Johnson, a pro-life activist and former Planned Parenthood employee joins Allie to talk about what's going on in the state of Texas when it comes to abortion legislation. Plus, the DOJ asks a federal court to throw out a lawsuit against the FDA over expanded abortion pill access.

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00:00:00.000 The Trump administration seems to be on the wrong side of the fight against the abortion pill.
00:00:08.120 A new report has just revealed how much death and injury the abortion pill is really causing.
00:00:14.720 The FDA has lied to us.
00:00:17.340 And also Planned Parenthood is lying to us about how they are using our taxpayer dollars.
00:00:22.640 Live Action has a new investigation out with chilling details of what is really going on there.
00:00:29.280 We've got Abby Johnson, pro-life activist, former Planned Parenthood employee here to also talk about what is going on in the state of Texas when it comes to abortion legislation.
00:00:40.200 We've got all of this and more on today's episode of Relatable.
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00:00:48.720 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable.
00:00:59.860 Happy Monday.
00:01:00.820 Hope everyone had a wonderful weekend.
00:01:03.080 Before we get into our conversation with Abby Johnson about some legislative news that's going on in Texas,
00:01:10.900 I want to tell you what's happening on the federal level when it comes to abortion.
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00:02:00.160 Okay, this is according to Politico.
00:02:08.600 The DOJ has asked a federal court to toss the abortion pill lawsuit. 0.98
00:02:14.920 So the Trump administration is defending FDA regulations that allow the abortion pill,
00:02:20.580 Mifepristone, to be accessed online or by mail.
00:02:24.640 Yikes! 1.00
00:02:26.680 Arguing that the three states suing over these expanded access rules lack legal standing,
00:02:31.780 and therefore the case should be dismissed by the federal court in Texas.
00:02:35.960 So this is Idaho, Kansas, and Missouri.
00:02:38.420 They've challenged the FDA's 2016 action, allowing the pills to be used up to 10 weeks of pregnancy rather than the previous seven.
00:02:46.760 The DOJ is arguing that this is outside the statute of limitations.
00:02:51.640 What a battle for the Trump administration to fight, and for Pam Bondi under the Trump administration to fight, 1.00
00:03:00.360 to basically try to ensure, and if anyone from the administration wants to come on and clarify this,
00:03:06.460 I am seriously happy to have them on, and you know I always want to try to give them the benefit of the doubt.
00:03:11.140 But it seems to me that they are trying to ensure access to the abortion pill online and by mail up to 10 weeks.
00:03:21.280 It sure seems like that.
00:03:22.720 I don't know how else to interpret this action.
00:03:26.900 The states also argue that FDA rules allowing the pills, so those three states that I mentioned,
00:03:31.920 those pro-life states, allowing the pills to be mailed across state lines violate laws in Idaho, Kansas, and Missouri.
00:03:39.200 Now, I will say, I know I called them pro-life states.
00:03:41.540 Kansas has some issues there.
00:03:43.420 Banning the use of abortion pills in most circumstances.
00:03:46.780 The mere fact that someone might violate state law does not by itself injure the government.
00:03:53.300 That's what they argue.
00:03:54.140 But the DOJ argued their claims have no connection to the Northern District of Texas,
00:03:59.200 and I guess that's where this is being, yeah, this is where this being adjudicated.
00:04:04.320 So they're saying that this, the DOJ is saying this shouldn't even happen.
00:04:08.220 Kansas's and Missouri's challenge and Idaho's, they are trying to rely on an incorrect legal argument,
00:04:18.220 an unrelated briefing to argue for new restrictions on the drugs and accusing them of gains, of gamesmanship.
00:04:25.000 The case was filed in the Northern District of Texas, though, the states say,
00:04:28.520 because the states likely chose the venue for strategic reasons,
00:04:34.220 because they knew that the court would probably be more favorable to them.
00:04:38.060 However, the Department of Justice argued that the case lacks a substantive connection to this district.
00:04:42.980 And so this is just like outside of the jurisdiction.
00:04:46.560 They don't want this to happen.
00:04:47.920 And so it sure seems like the Trump administration wants to, no matter what, make sure that the abortion pill is accessed.
00:04:58.200 And this goes along with what both Vance and Trump said during the campaign.
00:05:04.780 But this is extremely dangerous.
00:05:06.840 The abortion pill is extremely dangerous for women, especially when you can get it by mail,
00:05:12.220 especially when you can order it online and there is no requirement that you see a doctor that can verify actually how far along you are.
00:05:21.460 What if you think you're eight weeks, but you're really 18 weeks?
00:05:24.820 Well, you are probably, as a woman, taking this pill not only going to kill your child, but you yourself will likely die. 0.99
00:05:31.600 And so I don't want to hear it from anyone that you are pro-abortion or pro-access to Mifepristone
00:05:36.760 and the abortion pill because you care about women.
00:05:42.500 No, you don't.
00:05:43.120 The abortion pill is really bad for women. 1.00
00:05:45.860 There is a new study that has just been released at the end of April that shows that the abortion pill is much more dangerous than the FDA claims.
00:05:56.080 This is a study from the Foundation for the Restoration for America that says that roughly 11.2% of over 150,000 women experienced a, quote,
00:06:07.380 serious adverse event after taking the chemical abortion pill Mifepristone.
00:06:12.580 These serious adverse events can include hemorrhaging, needing a blood transfusion, an emergency room visit, and even deadly conditions like sepsis.
00:06:20.500 Remember, they are not taking these pills in an abortion clinic.
00:06:23.320 They're not taking them in the hospital.
00:06:24.640 They're taking them in their bathroom, okay?
00:06:28.200 No medical supervision whatsoever.
00:06:30.860 The rate of serious adverse effects shown in this research is about 22 times higher than what the FDA put on its label for the brand-name drug Mifeprex in 2023.
00:06:41.960 They previously cited clinical studies that showed less than 0.5% of women suffered serious adverse reactions.
00:06:48.240 But, of course, that is not true, as this organization has found.
00:06:52.660 And I really hope maybe I'm missing something with the Trump administration, but I really hope they're focused on that.
00:07:00.880 Like, I really hope that the HHS under RFK Jr. really cares about that because he said that he really cares about corruption in the CDC and the FDA.
00:07:10.020 This seems like an example of corruption.
00:07:12.360 So I really hope that something is being done about that and that maybe the DOJ has another strategy for fighting this.
00:07:20.420 Because if you care about states' rights and if you care about life inside the womb, the way this administration says that they do,
00:07:27.380 then it seems like there should be protections against accessing the birth control pill in a state where abortion is restricted.
00:07:37.580 It just seems obvious to me.
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00:08:52.960 So the researcher in this study, and this is according to Daily Wire, who reported on this study, said the drastic difference between the disclosed risk and the actual risk to patients undermines informed consent.
00:09:09.040 Additionally, the research only analyzed data from insurance claims for government insurance like Medicare and Medicaid between 2017 and 2023.
00:09:16.420 So the total number of women who suffered these serious complications is likely even higher than that.
00:09:22.960 Okay, so that was the restriction.
00:09:25.460 And we have that big of a number?
00:09:28.200 Thousands and thousands of women who had serious adverse outcomes from taking the abortion pill?
00:09:34.020 Only in those that are using Medicare and Medicaid?
00:09:38.340 Wow.
00:09:38.880 Medication abortions are up 63, made up 63% of all abortions in 2023.
00:09:45.140 Wow.
00:09:46.260 Up from 31% in 2014, according to the pro-abortion Guttmacher Institute.
00:09:53.540 And so that is a result of states putting restrictions on abortions.
00:09:59.060 Now, it is not wrong to put restrictions on abortions. 0.95
00:10:02.000 We should be restricting abortions.
00:10:03.460 But when we put restrictions on abortions right now, you are restricting the abortionists.
00:10:08.420 You're not, there's no law that I know of that restricts the woman from buying the abortion pills. 0.91
00:10:14.020 You can correct me if I'm wrong, but as we will talk about with Abby, that is like a huge loophole.
00:10:19.100 And image bearers of God are dying because of that.
00:10:21.840 Because our law isn't protecting the true rights of all unborn children.
00:10:25.800 When the majority of abortions are happening by the abortion pill, we have a big problem in our pro-life law.
00:10:36.360 Doug Trowell, I'm not sure how to pronounce his last name, maybe Trowell, founder of the Foundation of the Restoration for America.
00:10:43.500 The commission of the study said this bombshell report is further evidence that our government uses phony data.
00:10:47.860 He's talking about the FDA and politicized science to lie to its people.
00:10:52.640 In this case, those lies further political ideologies rather than the health, safety, and well-being of women and children. 0.98
00:10:59.840 He went on to say if you had any other drug that was kind of similar in terms of the magnitude of what this thing does, anywhere north of 2%, and they'd shut it down.
00:11:09.260 He's absolutely right about that.
00:11:11.560 I mean, they tell you, for example, if you have a VBAC, a vaginal birth after cesarean like I do,
00:11:17.540 there is a 1% chance, even less than a 1% chance, that you will have something terrible happen, which is called a uterine rupture.
00:11:27.080 And usually the mom and the baby are okay, but it is very serious.
00:11:30.800 It's an emergency.
00:11:31.600 You have to have an emergency C-section and all of that.
00:11:33.880 Most doctors won't perform VBACs.
00:11:36.360 I had one after two C-sections, and it went great.
00:11:38.700 A lot of doctors, because of that tiny risk of having a uterine rupture after you have a cesarean, they will not allow you to have a VBAC.
00:11:50.020 And so that's how conservative doctors in the medical world typically are.
00:11:54.580 And yet we've got an abortion pill that women are taking, not under medical supervision, where 11% of these women are having a serious adverse effect.
00:12:07.700 And we're like, yeah, it's liberation.
00:12:10.260 It's empowerment for women. 0.99
00:12:11.680 I mean, that is insane.
00:12:12.940 It does prove that this is just absolutely ideological, that this is not about women.
00:12:17.940 And in fact, there's about a 100% death rate with the abortion pill.
00:12:22.740 People don't tell you that.
00:12:23.740 People say it's safe and effective. 0.98
00:12:26.080 Yeah, it's effective at killing a person.
00:12:29.000 Like, what other medication do we call effective when it has almost a 100% kill rate?
00:12:34.660 Only when it comes to so-called abortion medicine do we call success killing one of the patients.
00:12:42.580 All right, we've got more on the abortion conversation before we talk to Abby in just a second. 0.51
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00:13:39.320 Planned Parenthood, y'all.
00:13:40.940 It's not just abortion.
00:13:42.300 It's not just an abortion problem.
00:13:44.240 It's also that they are the biggest supplier of cross-sex hormones for minors. 0.75
00:13:50.520 What an evil entity.
00:13:51.880 Like, imagine defending Planned Parenthood.
00:13:54.860 How much destruction have they wrought over the decades in killing the bodies of unborn children?
00:14:02.560 And then if they allow a baby to live, they are going to butcher their bodies by giving a child a minor cross-sex hormones. 0.98
00:14:09.700 And our friends at Live Action, Lila Rose, they have just broken the news.
00:14:15.640 They've revealed this report that Planned Parenthood is prescribing cross-sex hormones for minors using same-day prescriptions via virtual appointments.
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00:14:38.320 she could receive testosterone quickly, easily, and with little screening.
00:14:42.640 So this is, according to Fox News, is reporting on Planned Parenthood's live-action story of this.
00:14:55.480 Live Action is now calling on Congress to defund Planned Parenthood of hundreds of millions of dollars in taxpayer funding.
00:15:02.560 Of course, Live Action has been calling for that for a long time.
00:15:06.000 Planned Parenthood assured the investigator that she could choose to meet with a provider virtually
00:15:12.640 and have access to cross-sex hormones as quickly as the same day, despite the person posing as a minor,
00:15:18.840 saying that they had just begun considering changing her sex.
00:15:21.900 Facilities in Minnesota and Oregon stated they could schedule the minor within days or the same day.
00:15:28.280 Five facilities stated that no prior therapy, mental health clearance, or prior documentation was needed for her to obtain cross-sex hormones.
00:15:37.580 In addition to being the country's largest abortion business, Planned Parenthood, Fox News says,
00:15:41.900 is one of the leading distributors of cross-sex hormones.
00:15:46.120 So good job, Lila Rose.
00:15:47.960 She says this is a chilling reality.
00:15:49.760 Planned Parenthood is fast-tracking vulnerable children into irreversible hormone treatments with almost no medical oversight.
00:15:56.100 And guys, guess what?
00:15:58.740 Our tax dollars are funding this.
00:16:00.680 Like, that's part of this big scandal that your tax dollars are paying for Planned Parenthood to give cross-sex hormones to children
00:16:08.880 and to butcher the bodies of children, by the way.
00:16:13.240 That is a huge deal.
00:16:15.680 And so thank you to Lila Rose for your clarion call,
00:16:19.260 to Defund Planned Parenthood for the investigative work that Live Action is consistently doing,
00:16:24.700 and for what every pro-lifer is doing to sound the alarm about the abortion pill,
00:16:29.840 to raise a respectful ruckus,
00:16:31.560 even when it comes to the Trump administration making the absolutely wrong move
00:16:35.960 to continue to make it easy to access the abortion pill,
00:16:40.900 we have to speak up no matter who is in charge.
00:16:44.140 And that is what Abby Johnson is trying to do when it comes to the state of Texas, 1.00
00:16:49.320 her home state, and what is going on in the legislature there.
00:16:53.400 She argues that there has to be accountability for the woman who is purposely and knowingly killing the child inside the womb 0.99
00:17:02.140 if we truly believe that babies inside the womb are people.
00:17:07.140 If they're made in the image of God, then they deserve the same legal protections that you and I do.
00:17:12.440 That's what she is arguing for and trying to get to be represented in state law in the state of Texas. 1.00
00:17:18.800 And so we've got Abby coming up right now.
00:17:21.420 Without further ado, here she is.
00:17:27.540 Abby, thanks so much for taking the time to join us.
00:17:30.840 Okay, tell us what is going on with this legislation, specifically in Texas.
00:17:35.400 Yeah, so it's been interesting because we have seen the same thing happening in several states.
00:17:44.820 So it's happened in Texas, it's happening in Georgia, it happened in North Dakota.
00:17:51.200 So, but specifically in Texas, there was a bill filed by Representative Brent Money.
00:17:58.560 It was, it is House Bill 2197.
00:18:02.820 It is a bill that would treat abortion as murder, which is what the pro-life movement has said for over 50 years, that abortion is murder.
00:18:17.800 And so if it is murder, then our belief is that it should be treated as murder under the law.
00:18:25.660 And so this is what we call an equal protection bill, that the pre-born child would be given the same protections as a child would be given after they were born.
00:18:39.340 And so that's, that's what this bill did.
00:18:42.520 So essentially it criminalizes the act of abortion.
00:18:46.040 So anyone, whether it is a parent, a boyfriend, a spouse, or the mother herself, if they act in a way that causes the death of a pre-born child, then they can be found guilty of murder or whatever the court charges them with.
00:19:08.480 So, so makes sense to me, I would say it makes sense to the majority of the pro-life movement, makes sense to the majority of the conservative movement, but it is currently being blocked and it's being blocked in all states.
00:19:28.720 Now these are considered conservative states, Georgia, uh, North Dakota, Texas, all conservative states.
00:19:38.300 You would think when I say this, a lot of people are like, Oh, well, yeah, you know, those pro-choicers, they try to block our bills, but it's actually not in all three of these states.
00:19:49.680 It is not pro-choicers blocking the bill.
00:19:53.700 It is pro-life groups that are actually blocking the bill.
00:19:59.900 So HB 2197 in Texas got put into the state jurisprudence committee, which was what we thought the very best committee for it to be put in.
00:20:12.480 It's a conservative committee and it's headed by representative John Smithy, who ran on a pro-life platform and was endorsed by all of the pro-life legislative groups in the state of Texas.
00:20:27.780 So we thought, great, this is going to be a slam dunk.
00:20:31.020 It's going to be heard in committee.
00:20:32.580 It's going to be voted out of committee.
00:20:34.380 It's going to make it to the house floor.
00:20:35.840 At the very last minute, the 11th hour, many of us were scheduled to testify in favor of the bill.
00:20:47.260 I was invited testimony for the bill.
00:20:51.100 And in the 11th hour, John Smithy pulled the bill from the testimony, said, you're not going to be able, this is not going to be heard in committee.
00:21:04.480 And now it's just sitting there and within a week, the bill will die and it will never make it to the house floor for consideration and we'll never make it to a vote.
00:21:21.580 And that happened because one of the largest pro-life groups in the state, Texas Alliance for Life, which is supposedly a pro-life group, demanded and put pressure on John Smithy and said, you better pull this bill.
00:21:41.340 This bill does not need to be heard in committee.
00:21:44.560 John Smithy called our speaker, Speaker of the House, and said, what should I do?
00:21:50.340 The Speaker of the House said, pull it.
00:21:53.000 So he pulled the bill and the bill that would actually make abortion murder in the state of Texas is now going to die because of a pro-life group in our state.
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00:23:38.520 So let me play devil's advocate because there could be people out there saying, OK, what would the motivation be behind something like that?
00:23:52.300 If this is truly a pro-life group or if these are pro-life legislators, these pro-life legislators and Texas Alliance for Life would probably say, look, we are trying to save as many people as possible.
00:24:02.660 And we are afraid that a bill that would punish the woman for having an abortion would actually hurt our cause more than help our cause.
00:24:11.400 And we think that, you know, a bill that stops abortion after six weeks, that that is ultimately going to save more babies than a piece of legislation like this, which is going to cause a whole firestorm nationally and is going to be used against Republicans in every future election.
00:24:32.120 So that Democrats, the true baby murderers will win. 1.00
00:24:36.500 And then, of course, we've got radical pro-abortion legislation and that hypothetical scenario and more babies will die because of that. 0.97
00:24:44.240 So I'm guessing a charitable reading of their strategy would be that that's what they're thinking.
00:24:50.360 And so is that accurate if you know what they're thinking and what would your response be to that?
00:24:56.560 So actually, that's not their thinking.
00:24:58.560 So right now in the state of Texas, we have the Human Life Protection Act, which bans abortion in the state of Texas.
00:25:06.420 So right now in the state of Texas, it is technically illegal to get an abortion in the state of Texas.
00:25:14.880 However, there's no penalty.
00:25:18.000 So, I mean, you can get an abortion in the state of Texas without fear of being prosecuted.
00:25:24.820 So it would be akin to having a law that says you can go and murder your neighbor if they're getting on your nerves and there will be no penalty.
00:25:39.340 You can go and drink and drive and get in a car accident and there will be no penalty for it.
00:25:47.880 You can break into someone's house, steal everything in their home, and there will be no penalty.
00:25:54.900 The purpose of the law is twofold.
00:25:58.980 It is to teach, it is to be an educator, and it is also to be a deterrent of poor behavior.
00:26:08.160 And so right now, we have a law that teaches people that abortion is bad, but we have no deterrent.
00:26:19.440 So in the state of Texas right now, we have the Human Life Protection Act, which says abortions are illegal.
00:26:26.980 However, we have seen the abortion rate increase in the state of Texas, and we have seen the abortion rate increase across the country since Roe has been overturned.
00:26:40.680 So what that tells us is that putting words on a piece of paper and saying abortion's illegal isn't actually doing anything.
00:26:51.420 It is only enraging the pro-abortion groups, but there's no teeth to it.
00:26:57.500 So is there a penalty, though?
00:26:59.080 I am a woman.
00:26:59.460 There's no penalty for the woman. 0.84
00:27:01.360 Is there a penalty for the doctor, though, who is providing the abortion in the state of Texas?
00:27:06.600 Yeah, so there is supposed to be a penalty for the doctor.
00:27:10.980 However, 64% of women are now aborting at home. 0.99
00:27:17.060 So they are self-aborting, and that does not require a doctor.
00:27:21.680 These women are getting pills overseas. 1.00
00:27:24.720 So they're getting them from Belgium, Canada, Mexico, China, India, France.
00:27:32.580 They're getting them overseas. 0.94
00:27:34.380 So the majority of pills coming in are not coming in from doctors.
00:27:40.200 They're not being prescribed from doctors.
00:27:43.420 They're coming in internationally.
00:27:45.580 These are unregulated, unrestricted pills.
00:27:48.600 So the women are making the decisions. 1.00
00:27:51.580 The women are self-aborting. 1.00
00:27:53.820 The women are taking the pills. 0.98
00:27:55.820 The women are flushing their babies down the toilet. 1.00
00:27:58.420 So, you know, what then?
00:28:01.780 When you don't have a doctor involved, then who's punished for the abortion? 0.98
00:28:08.600 And the goal here, my goal is actually not to put women in prison.
00:28:16.200 I don't want women in prison. 1.00
00:28:17.880 That's never the goal.
00:28:19.420 The goal is that women will see a bill like this. 1.00
00:28:23.680 They will know that there could possibly be a penalty and that they would say, that's not worth it.
00:28:30.840 And that's that risk is not worth it.
00:28:34.400 And I am a woman who has had two abortions.
00:28:38.600 I am a woman who worked in the abortion industry for eight years.
00:28:42.880 I helped to facilitate over 22,000 abortions during my time with Planned Parenthood.
00:28:48.560 And I can assuredly say that if I would have known that there was a penalty, there was a possible penalty for having an abortion, I would have never had my first abortion.
00:29:01.640 That would have never been something that I would have considered.
00:29:04.320 And I'm pretty sure that if I would have known that an abortion was not on the table for me, I probably wouldn't have been participating in any sort of risky sexual behavior because I would have known that option, that little card for me, like get rid of your pregnancy for free, was not on the table for me.
00:29:28.240 And if I wouldn't have had my first abortion, I wouldn't have ever gone to work at Planned Parenthood.
00:29:33.720 I wouldn't have gone on to have my second abortion.
00:29:36.360 And then I wouldn't have the lives of 22,000 babies on my conscience for the rest of my earthly life.
00:29:45.700 And to me, when people say this isn't compassionate for women, you know, to, you know, have some sort of penalty for murder, this isn't compassionate.
00:29:58.360 To me, I think that's a complete lie.
00:30:01.020 I think that's a complete farce.
00:30:03.520 I think helping women understand that there could be a penalty, that there is a consequence for your action.
00:30:12.880 And then that helping them understand that abortion is not the right decision for them and them choosing life over death.
00:30:21.700 I think that's the most compassionate thing that we can do for them because it's saving them from a life of regret.
00:30:29.480 And we do understand this when it comes to murder outside of the womb.
00:30:33.900 All of us walking around are hoping that the person that would be inclined to murder would at the very least be so scared of going to jail and scared of having to endure the death penalty that they won't murder us.
00:30:46.520 Like, the law is a protector of would-be victims.
00:30:50.280 But as you said, it's also a protector of people who need the law to be their only inhibition before committing some kind of murder.
00:31:01.440 Now, most of us are not walking around thinking, I'm not going to murder that person only because I don't want to go to jail.
00:31:07.820 Like, there are other barriers in place.
00:31:09.760 But for some people, the law is the only thing standing between them and making that horrible choice to assault the rights of someone else.
00:31:18.740 And so it sounds like what you're saying is for all of these babies and for a lot of these women, the law is the only thing to protect them.
00:31:28.660 And you're saying a law that just says you can't have an abortion isn't enough.
00:31:33.760 A law has to carry some weight to it.
00:31:35.620 There has to be a penalty.
00:31:36.960 And I've heard other abolitionists say that if we really believe that a human is a human no matter how small, if we really believe that these little people are made in the image of God, then why wouldn't it be the same penalty to murder them as it would be to murder, say, like the Nebraska woman who just slit the throat of her poor newborn after it was born?
00:31:59.980 She's facing decades in prison, and yet if she had asked an abortionist to do that just moments before, not in the state of Nebraska but elsewhere, then, well, actually, really anywhere.
00:32:10.900 She wouldn't have gone to prison for it.
00:32:13.060 She wouldn't be in trouble for it.
00:32:14.500 She would have faced no penalty for it.
00:32:16.380 That really doesn't make any sense.
00:32:17.880 That's basically pro-choice logic to say, well, the baby inside the womb is somehow different and less valuable than the baby outside of the womb.
00:32:24.680 Yeah, that's exactly right.
00:32:27.520 And I think that it's a complete mind shift in the pro-life movement, right?
00:32:34.620 Like I was talking to a good friend of mine who's a pro-life leader, and she's kind of on the fence about this, right?
00:32:41.920 Because for all of these years, we have considered women to be a victim of abortion.
00:32:51.260 And I mean, I can tell you, I regularly go out to abortion clinics and pray and, you know, sidewalk counsel, try to sidewalk counsel these women going in to have abortions.
00:33:05.380 Because I can tell you right now, the women that are going in to have abortions today, they are different than the women who I saw even 15, 20 years ago when I worked at Planned Parenthood.
00:33:24.920 The women today are more calloused. 1.00
00:33:29.700 They know exactly what they're doing.
00:33:32.400 They will use the word murder when they're talking about abortion.
00:33:39.380 We are not living in a generation where women are unaware that they're pregnant with a baby.
00:33:49.980 60% of women who have abortions have already delivered a child.
00:33:54.920 They are mothers. 0.54
00:33:56.100 They have children at home.
00:33:58.200 We all have smartphones.
00:34:00.240 We all have phones that, you know, where information is available to us at the, you know, the touch of a button.
00:34:08.900 We can all look online and find out, you know, what my baby looks like at 12 weeks along.
00:34:16.000 We can all find out, you know, information.
00:34:18.220 This isn't the Encyclopedia Britannica generation like I was.
00:34:23.160 Information is available.
00:34:25.660 And I do think that back probably in the 70s and 80s and maybe even the early 90s, there were women that had abortions who, you know, really were victims.
00:34:35.640 They really were victims of, you know, a lack of education.
00:34:39.620 We didn't have the medical technology that we do now.
00:34:42.320 But now we're literally performing surgeries on children in the womb to fix various issues.
00:34:50.400 We know exactly what we're doing whenever we're performing surgery on babies, whenever we're having abortions.
00:34:59.320 We know that now.
00:35:00.860 So I don't think that we can claim that women are victims of a lack of education. 0.81
00:35:09.980 They know.
00:35:10.980 And when I go out to the sidewalk and I'm pleading with these women to not have an abortion, they are yelling back at me.
00:35:19.620 You know, I'm smiling, laughing. 1.00
00:35:22.060 I can't wait to go in and murder this kid. 1.00
00:35:24.660 They're flipping me off. 1.00
00:35:27.000 They're telling me, you know, this is my sixth abortion.
00:35:30.400 Even when I worked at the clinic, there were women that had had 12, 15, 16 abortions. 0.99
00:35:37.240 We're just living in a different time.
00:35:39.880 And this is entirely biblical, you know, that people's hearts would grow cold, that they would become calloused, that, you know, women would be turned against their children.
00:35:51.000 This is what we should expect.
00:35:53.360 This is, you know, this is sort of prophetic from scripture, but we can't just allow people to get away with murdering their children.
00:36:04.120 And by the way, in the state of Texas, if you kill a pregnant woman, you are charged with double homicide.
00:36:12.300 But it's completely inconsistent in the law because there's a carve out in Texas law for mothers. 1.00
00:36:19.980 So I can't drink and drive and kill a pregnant woman, but a mother can kill her own child and not be charged with homicide. 1.00
00:36:32.400 And that is completely inconsistent in the law.
00:36:36.040 And that's what this bill is trying to rectify.
00:36:38.740 It's trying to just make something consistent.
00:36:41.300 It's trying to make the act of murder consistent.
00:36:44.140 And it should be.
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00:37:48.600 You know what she said about the callousness of the hearts.
00:37:53.320 I was actually just talking to a pregnancy center director the other day, and I asked her because she's been the director of this pregnancy center for 20 years or actually, no, 13 years, 20 years.
00:38:05.100 She's been a part of the movement.
00:38:05.980 But I said, you know, what has changed over the years?
00:38:09.880 And that's the first thing she said.
00:38:11.420 She said their hearts are harder than they used to be.
00:38:15.220 The women who walk in, they know more, and they're more calloused and more those who are abortion-minded are more resolved than they used to be. 1.00
00:38:25.700 Tell people if they are incensed about this and they want to learn more about this, they want to get involved in their state, especially their Republican-led states.
00:38:36.340 What do they do?
00:38:37.160 Where do they go first?
00:38:38.100 So, if you are in Texas, I would encourage you to contact John Smithy's office.
00:38:46.900 We do still have a week that this bill is sitting in his committee, just stagnant.
00:38:52.760 And I would, I mean, really, anybody can call his office, whether you're in Texas or not.
00:38:58.840 Anybody can call John Smithy's office and demand that he give this bill a hearing.
00:39:06.300 You know, you don't get into politics.
00:39:08.680 You shouldn't, anyway, get into politics just to pass your friend's bills.
00:39:15.140 Bills deserve a hearing, and they deserve to go to the floor for a vote.
00:39:20.640 And he is, you know, a lot of legislators, they try to put bills forward, you know, based on demands and based on endorsements.
00:39:34.860 So, what Texas Alliance for Life, I'm sure, did was call John Smithy's office and say, if you don't pull this bill, you're going to lose our endorsement.
00:39:45.200 And that is a bullying technique.
00:39:47.780 It's wrong.
00:39:49.340 People, legislators should be able to bring bills forward and vote based on their conscience, not based on, you know, donations that are going to come in and based on endorsements.
00:39:59.920 And we have a terrible Speaker of the House in the state of Texas.
00:40:05.080 So, I would say, you know, call John Smithy's office, email his office, demand that he give this bill a hearing.
00:40:13.680 I would also say, you know, read the bill.
00:40:19.840 Don't believe the rhetoric.
00:40:21.880 Texas Alliance for Life is out there saying that this bill is seeking the death penalty for women.
00:40:27.940 This bill is not seeking anything for women.
00:40:31.260 This bill is simply trying to lay out consistency for murder.
00:40:36.380 That's it.
00:40:37.220 If we believe abortion is murder, then we should act like it. 1.00
00:40:40.960 No one is trying to give women the death penalty for having an abortion.
00:40:46.640 We're trying to prevent death.
00:40:48.880 We're not trying to seek death for anyone.
00:40:52.900 And so, I would say, you know, look at the bill itself.
00:40:56.280 If you have questions, certainly you can email me at abbyj.com.
00:41:02.080 I can help walk you through it.
00:41:03.740 But the Abortion Abolition Foundation can also help provide some clarity on this if you need some further clarity.
00:41:15.200 But in your state, I would say that, you know, you need to find legislative groups that you can trust.
00:41:21.760 You will be surprised at how many organizations, how many pro-life organizations stand against equal protection of the unborn.
00:41:32.420 And so, you know, I can't control where my federal dollars go, unfortunately.
00:41:38.160 But I can control where my charitable giving goes.
00:41:41.100 And so, you know, as you're giving to different pro-life organizations, I would really encourage you to ask the question, does your organization stand against equal protection laws?
00:41:54.420 And if they do, I think that is something that you really need to consider as you're tithing and as you're giving funds.
00:42:03.740 Well, thank you so much, Abby.
00:42:04.880 I appreciate you raising awareness about this.
00:42:07.880 Yes.
00:42:08.160 Thank you, Allie Beth.
00:42:09.000 Thank you.
00:42:11.100 Thank you.