Abby Johnson, a pro-life activist and former Planned Parenthood employee joins Allie to talk about what's going on in the state of Texas when it comes to abortion legislation. Plus, the DOJ asks a federal court to throw out a lawsuit against the FDA over expanded abortion pill access.
00:00:17.340And also Planned Parenthood is lying to us about how they are using our taxpayer dollars.
00:00:22.640Live Action has a new investigation out with chilling details of what is really going on there.
00:00:29.280We've got Abby Johnson, pro-life activist, former Planned Parenthood employee here to also talk about what is going on in the state of Texas when it comes to abortion legislation.
00:00:40.200We've got all of this and more on today's episode of Relatable.
00:00:43.440It's brought to you by our friends at Good Ranchers.
00:05:43.120The abortion pill is really bad for women.
00:05:45.860There is a new study that has just been released at the end of April that shows that the abortion pill is much more dangerous than the FDA claims.
00:05:56.080This is a study from the Foundation for the Restoration for America that says that roughly 11.2% of over 150,000 women experienced a, quote,
00:06:07.380serious adverse event after taking the chemical abortion pill Mifepristone.
00:06:12.580These serious adverse events can include hemorrhaging, needing a blood transfusion, an emergency room visit, and even deadly conditions like sepsis.
00:06:20.500Remember, they are not taking these pills in an abortion clinic.
00:06:23.320They're not taking them in the hospital.
00:06:24.640They're taking them in their bathroom, okay?
00:06:30.860The rate of serious adverse effects shown in this research is about 22 times higher than what the FDA put on its label for the brand-name drug Mifeprex in 2023.
00:06:41.960They previously cited clinical studies that showed less than 0.5% of women suffered serious adverse reactions.
00:06:48.240But, of course, that is not true, as this organization has found.
00:06:52.660And I really hope maybe I'm missing something with the Trump administration, but I really hope they're focused on that.
00:07:00.880Like, I really hope that the HHS under RFK Jr. really cares about that because he said that he really cares about corruption in the CDC and the FDA.
00:07:10.020This seems like an example of corruption.
00:07:12.360So I really hope that something is being done about that and that maybe the DOJ has another strategy for fighting this.
00:07:20.420Because if you care about states' rights and if you care about life inside the womb, the way this administration says that they do,
00:07:27.380then it seems like there should be protections against accessing the birth control pill in a state where abortion is restricted.
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00:08:52.960So the researcher in this study, and this is according to Daily Wire, who reported on this study, said the drastic difference between the disclosed risk and the actual risk to patients undermines informed consent.
00:09:09.040Additionally, the research only analyzed data from insurance claims for government insurance like Medicare and Medicaid between 2017 and 2023.
00:09:16.420So the total number of women who suffered these serious complications is likely even higher than that.
00:10:03.460But when we put restrictions on abortions right now, you are restricting the abortionists.
00:10:08.420You're not, there's no law that I know of that restricts the woman from buying the abortion pills.
00:10:14.020You can correct me if I'm wrong, but as we will talk about with Abby, that is like a huge loophole.
00:10:19.100And image bearers of God are dying because of that.
00:10:21.840Because our law isn't protecting the true rights of all unborn children.
00:10:25.800When the majority of abortions are happening by the abortion pill, we have a big problem in our pro-life law.
00:10:36.360Doug Trowell, I'm not sure how to pronounce his last name, maybe Trowell, founder of the Foundation of the Restoration for America.
00:10:43.500The commission of the study said this bombshell report is further evidence that our government uses phony data.
00:10:47.860He's talking about the FDA and politicized science to lie to its people.
00:10:52.640In this case, those lies further political ideologies rather than the health, safety, and well-being of women and children.
00:10:59.840He went on to say if you had any other drug that was kind of similar in terms of the magnitude of what this thing does, anywhere north of 2%, and they'd shut it down.
00:11:36.360I had one after two C-sections, and it went great.
00:11:38.700A lot of doctors, because of that tiny risk of having a uterine rupture after you have a cesarean, they will not allow you to have a VBAC.
00:11:50.020And so that's how conservative doctors in the medical world typically are.
00:11:54.580And yet we've got an abortion pill that women are taking, not under medical supervision, where 11% of these women are having a serious adverse effect.
00:13:54.860How much destruction have they wrought over the decades in killing the bodies of unborn children?
00:14:02.560And then if they allow a baby to live, they are going to butcher their bodies by giving a child a minor cross-sex hormones.
00:14:09.700And our friends at Live Action, Lila Rose, they have just broken the news.
00:14:15.640They've revealed this report that Planned Parenthood is prescribing cross-sex hormones for minors using same-day prescriptions via virtual appointments.
00:14:25.060So it's not even that they're seeing these kids' virtual appointments.
00:14:28.500The kid is like, yeah, I need testosterone.
00:14:31.440They told our 16-year-old, they did like an undercover phone call, 16-year-old female investigator,
00:14:38.320she could receive testosterone quickly, easily, and with little screening.
00:14:42.640So this is, according to Fox News, is reporting on Planned Parenthood's live-action story of this.
00:14:55.480Live Action is now calling on Congress to defund Planned Parenthood of hundreds of millions of dollars in taxpayer funding.
00:15:02.560Of course, Live Action has been calling for that for a long time.
00:15:06.000Planned Parenthood assured the investigator that she could choose to meet with a provider virtually
00:15:12.640and have access to cross-sex hormones as quickly as the same day, despite the person posing as a minor,
00:15:18.840saying that they had just begun considering changing her sex.
00:15:21.900Facilities in Minnesota and Oregon stated they could schedule the minor within days or the same day.
00:15:28.280Five facilities stated that no prior therapy, mental health clearance, or prior documentation was needed for her to obtain cross-sex hormones.
00:15:37.580In addition to being the country's largest abortion business, Planned Parenthood, Fox News says,
00:15:41.900is one of the leading distributors of cross-sex hormones.
00:18:02.820It is a bill that would treat abortion as murder, which is what the pro-life movement has said for over 50 years, that abortion is murder.
00:18:17.800And so if it is murder, then our belief is that it should be treated as murder under the law.
00:18:25.660And so this is what we call an equal protection bill, that the pre-born child would be given the same protections as a child would be given after they were born.
00:18:39.340And so that's, that's what this bill did.
00:18:42.520So essentially it criminalizes the act of abortion.
00:18:46.040So anyone, whether it is a parent, a boyfriend, a spouse, or the mother herself, if they act in a way that causes the death of a pre-born child, then they can be found guilty of murder or whatever the court charges them with.
00:19:08.480So, so makes sense to me, I would say it makes sense to the majority of the pro-life movement, makes sense to the majority of the conservative movement, but it is currently being blocked and it's being blocked in all states.
00:19:28.720Now these are considered conservative states, Georgia, uh, North Dakota, Texas, all conservative states.
00:19:38.300You would think when I say this, a lot of people are like, Oh, well, yeah, you know, those pro-choicers, they try to block our bills, but it's actually not in all three of these states.
00:19:49.680It is not pro-choicers blocking the bill.
00:19:53.700It is pro-life groups that are actually blocking the bill.
00:19:59.900So HB 2197 in Texas got put into the state jurisprudence committee, which was what we thought the very best committee for it to be put in.
00:20:12.480It's a conservative committee and it's headed by representative John Smithy, who ran on a pro-life platform and was endorsed by all of the pro-life legislative groups in the state of Texas.
00:20:27.780So we thought, great, this is going to be a slam dunk.
00:20:51.100And in the 11th hour, John Smithy pulled the bill from the testimony, said, you're not going to be able, this is not going to be heard in committee.
00:21:04.480And now it's just sitting there and within a week, the bill will die and it will never make it to the house floor for consideration and we'll never make it to a vote.
00:21:21.580And that happened because one of the largest pro-life groups in the state, Texas Alliance for Life, which is supposedly a pro-life group, demanded and put pressure on John Smithy and said, you better pull this bill.
00:21:41.340This bill does not need to be heard in committee.
00:21:44.560John Smithy called our speaker, Speaker of the House, and said, what should I do?
00:21:50.340The Speaker of the House said, pull it.
00:21:53.000So he pulled the bill and the bill that would actually make abortion murder in the state of Texas is now going to die because of a pro-life group in our state.
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00:23:38.520So let me play devil's advocate because there could be people out there saying, OK, what would the motivation be behind something like that?
00:23:52.300If this is truly a pro-life group or if these are pro-life legislators, these pro-life legislators and Texas Alliance for Life would probably say, look, we are trying to save as many people as possible.
00:24:02.660And we are afraid that a bill that would punish the woman for having an abortion would actually hurt our cause more than help our cause.
00:24:11.400And we think that, you know, a bill that stops abortion after six weeks, that that is ultimately going to save more babies than a piece of legislation like this, which is going to cause a whole firestorm nationally and is going to be used against Republicans in every future election.
00:24:32.120So that Democrats, the true baby murderers will win.
00:24:36.500And then, of course, we've got radical pro-abortion legislation and that hypothetical scenario and more babies will die because of that.
00:24:44.240So I'm guessing a charitable reading of their strategy would be that that's what they're thinking.
00:24:50.360And so is that accurate if you know what they're thinking and what would your response be to that?
00:24:56.560So actually, that's not their thinking.
00:24:58.560So right now in the state of Texas, we have the Human Life Protection Act, which bans abortion in the state of Texas.
00:25:06.420So right now in the state of Texas, it is technically illegal to get an abortion in the state of Texas.
00:25:18.000So, I mean, you can get an abortion in the state of Texas without fear of being prosecuted.
00:25:24.820So it would be akin to having a law that says you can go and murder your neighbor if they're getting on your nerves and there will be no penalty.
00:25:39.340You can go and drink and drive and get in a car accident and there will be no penalty for it.
00:25:47.880You can break into someone's house, steal everything in their home, and there will be no penalty.
00:25:58.980It is to teach, it is to be an educator, and it is also to be a deterrent of poor behavior.
00:26:08.160And so right now, we have a law that teaches people that abortion is bad, but we have no deterrent.
00:26:19.440So in the state of Texas right now, we have the Human Life Protection Act, which says abortions are illegal.
00:26:26.980However, we have seen the abortion rate increase in the state of Texas, and we have seen the abortion rate increase across the country since Roe has been overturned.
00:26:40.680So what that tells us is that putting words on a piece of paper and saying abortion's illegal isn't actually doing anything.
00:26:51.420It is only enraging the pro-abortion groups, but there's no teeth to it.
00:28:34.400And I am a woman who has had two abortions.
00:28:38.600I am a woman who worked in the abortion industry for eight years.
00:28:42.880I helped to facilitate over 22,000 abortions during my time with Planned Parenthood.
00:28:48.560And I can assuredly say that if I would have known that there was a penalty, there was a possible penalty for having an abortion, I would have never had my first abortion.
00:29:01.640That would have never been something that I would have considered.
00:29:04.320And I'm pretty sure that if I would have known that an abortion was not on the table for me, I probably wouldn't have been participating in any sort of risky sexual behavior because I would have known that option, that little card for me, like get rid of your pregnancy for free, was not on the table for me.
00:29:28.240And if I wouldn't have had my first abortion, I wouldn't have ever gone to work at Planned Parenthood.
00:29:33.720I wouldn't have gone on to have my second abortion.
00:29:36.360And then I wouldn't have the lives of 22,000 babies on my conscience for the rest of my earthly life.
00:29:45.700And to me, when people say this isn't compassionate for women, you know, to, you know, have some sort of penalty for murder, this isn't compassionate.
00:30:03.520I think helping women understand that there could be a penalty, that there is a consequence for your action.
00:30:12.880And then that helping them understand that abortion is not the right decision for them and them choosing life over death.
00:30:21.700I think that's the most compassionate thing that we can do for them because it's saving them from a life of regret.
00:30:29.480And we do understand this when it comes to murder outside of the womb.
00:30:33.900All of us walking around are hoping that the person that would be inclined to murder would at the very least be so scared of going to jail and scared of having to endure the death penalty that they won't murder us.
00:30:46.520Like, the law is a protector of would-be victims.
00:30:50.280But as you said, it's also a protector of people who need the law to be their only inhibition before committing some kind of murder.
00:31:01.440Now, most of us are not walking around thinking, I'm not going to murder that person only because I don't want to go to jail.
00:31:07.820Like, there are other barriers in place.
00:31:09.760But for some people, the law is the only thing standing between them and making that horrible choice to assault the rights of someone else.
00:31:18.740And so it sounds like what you're saying is for all of these babies and for a lot of these women, the law is the only thing to protect them.
00:31:28.660And you're saying a law that just says you can't have an abortion isn't enough.
00:31:36.960And I've heard other abolitionists say that if we really believe that a human is a human no matter how small, if we really believe that these little people are made in the image of God, then why wouldn't it be the same penalty to murder them as it would be to murder, say, like the Nebraska woman who just slit the throat of her poor newborn after it was born?
00:31:59.980She's facing decades in prison, and yet if she had asked an abortionist to do that just moments before, not in the state of Nebraska but elsewhere, then, well, actually, really anywhere.
00:32:10.900She wouldn't have gone to prison for it.
00:32:17.880That's basically pro-choice logic to say, well, the baby inside the womb is somehow different and less valuable than the baby outside of the womb.
00:32:27.520And I think that it's a complete mind shift in the pro-life movement, right?
00:32:34.620Like I was talking to a good friend of mine who's a pro-life leader, and she's kind of on the fence about this, right?
00:32:41.920Because for all of these years, we have considered women to be a victim of abortion.
00:32:51.260And I mean, I can tell you, I regularly go out to abortion clinics and pray and, you know, sidewalk counsel, try to sidewalk counsel these women going in to have abortions.
00:33:05.380Because I can tell you right now, the women that are going in to have abortions today, they are different than the women who I saw even 15, 20 years ago when I worked at Planned Parenthood.
00:34:25.660And I do think that back probably in the 70s and 80s and maybe even the early 90s, there were women that had abortions who, you know, really were victims.
00:34:35.640They really were victims of, you know, a lack of education.
00:34:39.620We didn't have the medical technology that we do now.
00:34:42.320But now we're literally performing surgeries on children in the womb to fix various issues.
00:34:50.400We know exactly what we're doing whenever we're performing surgery on babies, whenever we're having abortions.
00:35:27.000They're telling me, you know, this is my sixth abortion.
00:35:30.400Even when I worked at the clinic, there were women that had had 12, 15, 16 abortions.
00:35:37.240We're just living in a different time.
00:35:39.880And this is entirely biblical, you know, that people's hearts would grow cold, that they would become calloused, that, you know, women would be turned against their children.
00:37:48.600You know what she said about the callousness of the hearts.
00:37:53.320I was actually just talking to a pregnancy center director the other day, and I asked her because she's been the director of this pregnancy center for 20 years or actually, no, 13 years, 20 years.
00:38:11.420She said their hearts are harder than they used to be.
00:38:15.220The women who walk in, they know more, and they're more calloused and more those who are abortion-minded are more resolved than they used to be.
00:38:25.700Tell people if they are incensed about this and they want to learn more about this, they want to get involved in their state, especially their Republican-led states.
00:38:38.100So, if you are in Texas, I would encourage you to contact John Smithy's office.
00:38:46.900We do still have a week that this bill is sitting in his committee, just stagnant.
00:38:52.760And I would, I mean, really, anybody can call his office, whether you're in Texas or not.
00:38:58.840Anybody can call John Smithy's office and demand that he give this bill a hearing.
00:39:06.300You know, you don't get into politics.
00:39:08.680You shouldn't, anyway, get into politics just to pass your friend's bills.
00:39:15.140Bills deserve a hearing, and they deserve to go to the floor for a vote.
00:39:20.640And he is, you know, a lot of legislators, they try to put bills forward, you know, based on demands and based on endorsements.
00:39:34.860So, what Texas Alliance for Life, I'm sure, did was call John Smithy's office and say, if you don't pull this bill, you're going to lose our endorsement.
00:39:49.340People, legislators should be able to bring bills forward and vote based on their conscience, not based on, you know, donations that are going to come in and based on endorsements.
00:39:59.920And we have a terrible Speaker of the House in the state of Texas.
00:40:05.080So, I would say, you know, call John Smithy's office, email his office, demand that he give this bill a hearing.
00:40:13.680I would also say, you know, read the bill.
00:41:03.740But the Abortion Abolition Foundation can also help provide some clarity on this if you need some further clarity.
00:41:15.200But in your state, I would say that, you know, you need to find legislative groups that you can trust.
00:41:21.760You will be surprised at how many organizations, how many pro-life organizations stand against equal protection of the unborn.
00:41:32.420And so, you know, I can't control where my federal dollars go, unfortunately.
00:41:38.160But I can control where my charitable giving goes.
00:41:41.100And so, you know, as you're giving to different pro-life organizations, I would really encourage you to ask the question, does your organization stand against equal protection laws?
00:41:54.420And if they do, I think that is something that you really need to consider as you're tithing and as you're giving funds.