Ep 1191 ｜ Shane & Shane on Finding Faith in a Bar & Singing the Psalms
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Summary
Shane and Shane, the incredible worship duo, is here today! And not only are they here to lead us in worship, perform a song for us, and walk us through one of their song centered devotions, but they also share their testimonies of how they were saved when they believed the gospel, and how that led them into this 25 year+ journey of singing the Word of God and helping us memorize and sing the word of God.
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We've got such a special episode for y'all today.
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Shane and Shane, the incredible worship duo, is here today.
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And not only are they going to lead us in worship, perform a song for us, walk us through
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one of their song-centered devotions, but they're also going to share their testimonies
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with us, how they were saved when they believed the gospel, and how that led them into this
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25-year-plus journey of singing the Word of God and helping us memorize and sing the
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This is just such an encouraging and special treat for me personally, and I know it will
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This episode is brought to you by our friends at Good Ranchers.
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Shane and Shane, thanks so much for taking the time to join us.
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So I would guess that the vast majority of people listening to or watching this are very
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familiar with y'all, have worshiped alongside y'all's music for a long time.
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But for those who don't know your story and how you guys started out, was it something
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where y'all were looking for someone with the same name and you were like, as soon as
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We were business majors at Texas A&M University.
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No business doing anything like this, like anything artsy.
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Neither one of us grew up in a Christian home or a singing home.
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And I came to Christ in high school, just very out of the blue.
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The Lord got me in West Texas and I learned GCD and E minor on a guitar.
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It's like they had it like on top of the cupboards, kind of next to the stuffed rattlesnake.
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And I took that thing down and I had my youth pastor, just a tiny little youth group, like
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It wasn't my thing, but I could play 20 worship songs.
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And I took those 20 worship songs, you know, into college.
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And every Saturday night we would get together and sing and pray, open God's word.
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And my roommates at Texas A&M, my junior year, they talked me into doing this outdoor festival.
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They're like, we need a two in the afternoon slot.
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But my guitar didn't plug in, never written a song, never sang into a microphone, you know.
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And so anyway, I went down the street and borrowed a guitar that did plug in from a guy named Shane.
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Anyway, so I borrowed his guitar, played this concert.
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If we would watch, if we would have watched it now, we probably would have said, oh man,
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I mean, like he can use whoever he wants to do whatever he wants to do, you know.
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Okay, so it wasn't an instant spark of like, wow, this is just perfect and our voices just
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No, we didn't even sing together at that event.
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And then two weeks later, pretty much, I mean, almost, I'd probably say, yeah, maybe
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I was in a, I was in this little bar band in, in college and I ended up at two in the
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And if anybody's ever been in a bar when the, when the neon's on versus when the fluorescents
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My grandfather was a deacon at church, sent me to camp every year.
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So I got saved at camp every year, never stuck.
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But, but then, but then in college, when the lights came on in this bar, like I didn't
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hear the audible voice of God, but the Lord called me home.
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And that was like the beginning of, um, of my walk.
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I ended up getting up the next morning, going to this little church called Central Baptist
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Church and, and Brian, Texas, where we were both at, at A&M.
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And I didn't even know what the pastor talked about.
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I just knew because I'd grown up around the Baptist faith that you had to walk down front
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But like, at the time, at the time, if you grew up Baptist, you know what I'm talking about.
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But I was just like, so I don't know what he talked about, but I walked up front and
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I was like, well, I've been singing in this bar band, but I'm, you know, I'm not gonna do
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And he's like, you know, you want to sing in the choir?
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That night I go and I rehearse with the old choir peeps at Central Baptist Church.
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And that's where my buddies and I saw him singing in this choir.
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It's like, everybody knew the words, but him, but he was super, super pumped about it.
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So we like walked up to him afterward, you know, cause we had met and it's like, Hey man,
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And he jumped in the car, uh, pretty much around that season.
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And we were just in, in a little GM, 1988 GMC, Jimmy, just driving around singing these horrible.
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Well, after his concert, people started calling him.
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So he played this show, which he said was horrible.
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And people were like, Hey, can you come, you know, lead for this and that and this and that.
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And so within a couple of months he had dropped out of school to go play these shows for a plate of lasagna and gas money.
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And that's, and he was like, you want to go and get in the car with me?
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So I hopped in the car with him and I hadn't got out yet.
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Okay, do you mind if I ask a little bit more about both of you coming to faith?
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You said something about your youth group leader.
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Like, when did you hear the gospel and believe it?
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So I was on my buddy Zach's roof, his mom's roof, playing football at night.
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But this particular night, like the moon wasn't there.
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So it's just West Texas stars lighting up the sky, you know.
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And I don't even remember the details, but something happened in me.
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Looking back on it, we sing Psalm 8 pretty often.
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And I feel like I had this Psalm 8 moment where it's like, the one who put the stars in their
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Perhaps, who am I that you would be mindful of me?
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Could there be a real God and could he be mindful of me?
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And it was very, like I said, vague because I didn't have any language and I didn't grow up around the gospel.
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And so I started to sneak out on Wednesday nights back in the day when you could tell mom and dad you're going to be gone for six hours and nobody cared, you know, before cell phones.
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And I would sneak out to this little youth group and I heard the gospel and it wrecked me.
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Would your parents have disapproved if they knew you were going to church?
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Well, my mom was from a long line of Catholic families.
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And so like I knew that if I told her that I was going to like a Spible church youth group that I think she might not have let me.
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Within a couple of years, she was like coming, you know, my brother had, I had just one older brother.
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He came to Christ and then my mom started to come.
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And then 15 years later, my John Wayne dad at age 66 gave his life to Christ.
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But it was just, yeah, God just had a plan to capture our hearts.
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And yeah, I think it's interesting that for you, you were on the roof.
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And then the lights turned on in a very different setting.
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And so, you know, in two different ways, God used like that light and darkness in both of your testimonies.
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What was it about the lights turning on in the bar that made you kind of come to your senses?
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You know, my grandfather was a, he was a deacon at a Baptist church.
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And my, he kind of ruled with an iron fist a little bit.
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And so my dad was, was, he was kind of like, I'm not into this.
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And so my family kind of would try to, I think when I was growing up, would try to appease my grandfather.
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Now we would go up there on Wednesday nights and eat.
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And so there was like a little bit, so I had heard the gospel a lot, you know, and, and, um, and so I knew the stories and I, and I feel like I, I was probably like that seed that fell in the rocky soil.
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And so there was, there would have been like a few weeks of like, man, I, I've tasted a little bit of what it means to like, so I'd like something about the Lord had enticed me in seasons because of, I think just proximity.
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So it was like two weeks later, I'm back to the old ways, you know, and, and then, you know, I'm at, I'm at school and I'm doing internships and I'm, I'm like, I'm pursuing the world as hard as you can pursue the world.
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Like, I mean, you know, going to, going to do corporate real estate, going to do these things, really pursuing career and, and everything and trying to, you know, check all the boxes to do the things, to get the stuff, you know?
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And, um, I was in this band and, and we were, you know, for a college band on a college campus, we were having a lot of fun, you know?
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And, um, and I think I was finally at the end of like, if this is all the world has, it's not working for me.
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And, and it kind of culminated in an evening on the end of the stage, waiting to get paid.
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And we were throwing a party for all the troops at this, it was like an indoor outdoor, like a sand volleyball court and then a club inside.
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And so it's kind of in and out and people were bathing suits and there's a lot of consumption and sweat.
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So like the, the inside when they turned the fluorescence on was very rough.
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So, I mean, sand and just, and the walls were not nice.
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And so they turned the lights on and like the Lord just used that picture to just say, man, this look familiar to you.
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I feel like I look good under the neon, but when the light, when I'm exposed.
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And so I think the Lord just really was gracious to me to say, to, to say there's more.
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And I felt like he said, son, it's time to come home.
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And just like Shane said, I didn't have the language for that really, but I just knew that I was like, I want to follow Jesus.
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I don't know what that means, but I want to, because like I'm, I'm tired enough.
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And so that's, that was, that's the beginning of the journey.
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That's such a good metaphor for sin in general.
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Like Satan uses darkness to make sin look really good.
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And then when God is gracious to turn the lights on, you're like, this is really bad.
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So that, all of those things were happening in 97.
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And then Shane had done a record with another guy, not on purpose, just, they just were just
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And this guy was like, I got our studio in my basement.
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So they went over there in one day and made this little thing.
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And then Shane did a record in 98 called Rocks Won't Cry.
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And he said, and I, we had become really good friends and kind of started hanging out a lot.
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And I got on the road with him and, and just all kinds of, there's so many stories that
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But, but then he's like, you want to sing on a few of these songs?
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I sang, I sang on the songs and then we started singing them and it was just like, Shane's
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Like, Ooh, we got, Ooh, this is kind of catchy.
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And then, and then it was just like, what are we supposed to sing?
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And like, it's just like, I think they used to sing the Psalms.
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I mean, you know, we were semi new in our faith and, and really didn't have any grid
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And so like, as life started to smack us in the face, we just started to sing God's
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word and it's, it, it started to work like in our own heart.
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And then God started to use that in other people's lives too.
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And so singing his word has been a common denominator in our, in our music, just because
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it's been so helpful in our own personal life, in our family's lives.
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And my producer, actually, I think it's okay for me to say this.
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She was saying how a lot of y'all songs, just singing the Psalms has helped her memorize
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the Psalms, that that is actually how they're in their head.
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And it makes so much sense because so much, I mean, whether it's the Pledge of Allegiance
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or whether it is like the, uh, like different parts of speech, like I can say a lot of those
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And so it makes sense that we are commanded to do the, to sing the Psalms.
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And the hymns and the spiritual songs, because that is how God's word kind of nestles itself
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And we still remember it decades and decades later.
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Tell me a little bit more about what the journey has been like in contemporary Christian music.
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Y'all are so unique in that you do have songs that are played on the radio that people just
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like to listen to, but it is really mostly worship.
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And as you said, it really is explicitly based on the word of God.
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And how has that, what has it been like to kind of navigate that industry over the past
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Yeah, I, I don't know, uh, or from, from, from really early on, we were so disconnected
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to the industry because we were just these two college dropouts who had some music and
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People were calling us to come sing these songs.
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And so we were, we started to kind of go out, you know, of our region and we would go to
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other States and people would know these songs, but we were like, how do you know these songs?
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Because we weren't on the radio, we weren't in any stores.
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Um, and so just the, the power of technology, um, started to kind of give us a place to go
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and a platform to sing God's word, uh, which now it's, I mean, it's very similar to your
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Spotify and iTunes and Amazon and YouTube and all of that.
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Um, back then that was illegal, you know, but, but the, especially in the college world,
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it was, it was rampant, you know, so like music spread like wildfire.
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So we just started to, you know, the, the record we did together at first, it came out of a
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And it was just singing the Psalms because I wasn't even making a record when I was writing
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I was just, I was just crying out to God, revive me for your namesake, revive me for your
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And, uh, when that season was over, um, it was like, I moved to Dallas and we record those
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Did y'all lose your accent somewhere along the way?
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Because whenever y'all are talking about nineties and early two thousands, Shane and Shane, y'all
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have a West Texas accent, but I don't hear it as much anymore.
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Maybe if, if this guy gets around his family, he goes there.
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So if we took you to Australia right now, yeah, I would probably start doing it.
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Because, uh, it's, uh, it's a little inappropriate.
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But we, you know, we, I mean, being around the industry, I mean, we signed a record deal
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in 2001 and, you know, but things didn't really change.
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We kind of stayed in Dallas and we kind of did our thing.
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We were, we'd lived on the road, probably unhealthily for a really long time, a couple
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hundred shows, 250 shows, a couple of years, and just like lived on the road, just going,
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And I think, you know, we both grew up pretty blue collar.
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Um, it, it just wasn't in us and I don't even know if it is still today.
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Um, you know, but, but we love the word of God.
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And, and we feel like, man, it's, it's in the Lord has given us, um, an opportunity to,
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um, set the table for people, um, to, to love his word.
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It's funny because music has never been a passion.
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It was kind of, it was sort of like something that was a surprise.
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Um, but, but Jesus from those early years has been our passion, the gospel, the good
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news, um, the life that we've experienced and see, seen him bring to like parts that
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And, and, um, so like now, now in this season, we're getting for the past 10 years, we're
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Um, we were a part of a ministry called the worship initiative.
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And so we, we go to work when we're not on the road every day.
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And we're part of a team of people that just pours into the church and, um, pastors and
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And, um, and to some degree now just lay people, you know, of like, um, getting around this
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And it's just open up the Bible and go, well, here's what it does and let's go do this
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I have a question about family discipleship and y'all are girl dads.
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We, my chief related bro, that's his nickname on this show.
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And so I just want to get y'all's advice on how you started, how you and your wives started
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family devotionals and family discipleship time.
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Like, what does that look like in y'all's homes?
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And if you have any advice for Christian parents out there, especially of little ones, what would
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First, I think the Lord has used our failures more than our successes.
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Um, in the moments that we can humble ourselves and ask for forgiveness, like model brokenness,
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Um, another thing for me, I'm the nighttime dad, you know, my wife, she's the morning mom.
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And so I've done, I've done tuck ins over the years and, uh, there was a moment years ago
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where I got convicted by the Holy spirit to formalize tuck in times instead of like, I'm
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Let's just get this over with so I can be with Beth and, you know, watch something or hang
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out or, you know, um, instead of having that mindset of like really formalizing that moment.
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Like I'm walking up these stairs, asking the Holy spirit, um, for his leadership as I, as
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I sit with these girls for 30 minutes and just that one little decision made a big impact.
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Um, because he would answer, you know, and lots of conversations, songs, scripture, um,
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This third, thirdly this year, we pulled out of all school systems and we're the awkward
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homeschool family now, um, which one of the cool things about that is it's given us the
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opportunity to do family devotions in the mornings to where last, it used to be like so early,
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everybody's just getting ready and we got to get everybody to three different places.
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Um, and so now, you know, every weekday we, um, we're just, we're, we read, we've read
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through a couple of books in the Bible and really dialogue, uh, around the table about what that
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And it's, it's been really, really sweet just to have that moment in our day that's available.
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I love that y'all called it full-time women's ministry too.
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Tell me about the new devotional worship initiative that y'all have that people can listen to
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So, um, uh, you, you know, we've made songs for years and years, uh, we've, and that, that
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have been distributed and I think people have been encouraged by, um, but I think there's
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something to, something different about the rhythm and consistency of, of doing something
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Um, and so, um, we decided to, to turn the mic on and just sit around a table and say,
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Lord, would you use these, these scriptures and our voice to try to connect the head and
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Um, and just to say, everybody has been given a voice and, and Shane says it every, every
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It's just like, he's given you a unique voice, the way that it sounds, the way that it's
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And there's something like even, even he, he would say that like when he became a Christian,
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it's like, he kind of sang his way into believing some of these truths that we say.
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A hundred percent, you know, it's like there, there's something that happens that's, that's
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not just cerebral when there's a humbling effect of lifting your voice to the Lord.
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It, it really is a neutralizer of a lot of things.
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And so I've seen that as I've done the Devo and I'm going to tell one quick story about
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And so, you know, a lot of people would say, might say, singing's not for me.
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They might go to church, they might sit in a pew or sit in a chair and they would see
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people like maybe raising their hands or closing their eyes or singing loudly or enjoying it.
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And they would sit kind of in the back and they would be like, okay, I'm going to, I'm
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going to, I'm going to press through this to get to the important thing, which is the,
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the sharing of God's word or something like that.
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Um, and there's, there's a story that there's a guy came up to me who our kids go to school
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together, uh, that my daughter was in a little program with his and he pulls me aside and
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he said, man, I've been doing this Devo that you guys have.
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He's like, I've been going to church my whole life.
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And, and when people were singing, I just thought it wasn't for me.
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I don't think I can hold a tune, but I've been getting by myself and I've been, I've been
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And those, that rhythm, the Lord began to change his heart, change his heart.
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And I think it's by degrees, but after a couple of weeks, I mean, he starts telling me this,
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he starts and he starts crying and he's just like, the Lord's given me a voice to sing to
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And like Shane says it, it's just like, it's, it's a means of grace that the Lord has given
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us to like connect our emotions inside of, of what his word says.
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And sometimes it just takes that to just, to open our mouth and sing as an act of faith.
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And he's been responding and he's using this tool to, and people are responding to it.
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And the Lord is responding, uh, with some, I mean, the stories are,
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And I think it's, it's, it's like, duh, you know, like Colossians 3, 16 says, um, may
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the word of Christ dwell richly in you as you sing Psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs.
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You said that earlier, um, with gratefulness to God in your heart, like the word of Christ
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Um, it's like a promise of God's word when we sing, you know, um, and it's kind of like,
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of course, you know, how many times during, during singing, during a song in church or
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in my car with my girls, have I, have I been really stepped into faith?
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Like, if I'm being honest, like, I, I feel like God, you are low grade disappointed with
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And then in a song, um, I'm admonished and I'm taught and I'm like, Oh my goodness.
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All that disappointment went on the cross, all of that shame went on the cross and like
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over and over again, like singing has literally stepped, I'm stepping off this dark place into
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faith and, um, and largely God's used the grace of singing to do that.
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So we're just inviting people in of like, come on and let's just try it again.
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Kind of like formalize it a little bit, not just like Spotify's on in the background.
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We all know that we all know that kind of, you know, um, worship music is playing in my
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Like, let's, let's set aside 12 minutes and let's just ask the Lord to speak and then get
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into the word and then sing it and see what happens over time.
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Then they, well, you have right now, the way we deliver it is through texts.
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I could say it, we could throw it up on the screen.
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I don't know the number by heart, but I sure can find it.
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I mean, we can also just put it up on the screen.
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And it's going to be hard to remember, but if you text Devo, D-E-V-O, to 682-318-3835.
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And you get a text every morning at about 7 to 7.15, and you just click on it, and there
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And we'll put it in the description of this episode.
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So if you're driving, don't feel like you have to write it down.
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We'll put it in the description later when you get home.
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You have that number there, and you can text it.
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And we have a treat because y'all are going to do a sampling.
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Y'all are going to do a Devo and sing a song for us.
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Allie Beth Stuckey is going to just sit in with us today.
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And she doesn't think she has a voice, but I think by the end of this, it's, she's going
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And if you're joining us for the first time, we do this every day.
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We come to remember and experience what is true through singing God's word through song
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So grateful to have you sing with us virtually, but what a joy it is to lift our voice to him.
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And so we're just going to pray for you around this little table.
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Father, would you allow your word, the word of Christ to dwell richly in our brothers and
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sisters today as we come before you in song in Jesus name.
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And brother, sister, would you just take a second and ask the Holy Spirit to speak to
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you as we sing and pray and read God's word today.
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I don't know what you're doing, but I know what you've done.
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I think that language is common language to a lot of people where we say, Lord, if I'm
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being honest, I have no idea what you're doing.
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But in the same breath, we say, Lord, I don't know what you're doing, but I do know what you've
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done for me on the cross when you paid for my sins and you died so that I don't have to
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So I'm, I'm super confused on what you're doing, but I know what you've done for me.
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And I believe that I'm fighting a battle that you've already won on Calvary where you accomplished
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everything for me, that you conquered sin and death on my behalf.
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And not only that, because of God's word, we know how the story ends.
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And can I just tell you, spoiler report, if you have a moment to read the last two chapters
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Like if you are listening and you have simply received the free gift of God's love for you
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in his son, Jesus Christ, who was laid down for you, for your sins.
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If you've received that free gift, can I just say your future is super bright.
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Um, and I'm not even talking about like Monday or a week from Monday or a year from Monday
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or a day that might be really, really good chance.
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That's all going to be really hard, but we can stand like you're going to be okay because
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we're standing on the finished work of Jesus and the future grace of Jesus when he comes
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and makes all things new and we can stand secure.
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Like he's done the heavy lifting and we just get to trust and walk in that.
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I have so many thoughts about that and so many other contexts.
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Like we hear, you know, someone lost their battle to cancer or the side in a war that
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Not only personally, but to live is Christ, to die is gain.
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So actually when someone dies, that's a victorious moment for them, even when it's sad for us.
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But also in the spiritual sense, dying to ourselves is actually winning.
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So that's just another way that Christianity kind of turns the worldly economy and worldly
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philosophies on its head that dying is not losing.
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And, um, and gosh, we put all of our hope in, in his, in his finished work where he died
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And so we can live like, like you said, like, gosh, that is the cornerstone of our life.
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Like we can, we can face tomorrow because he conquered death and he lives and we can walk
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We don't have to, we don't have to worry or depend on our own ability to make it through
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because he made it, he did it, he's going to carry us through.
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That, uh, outlasts, outlasts, there's peace that outlasts darkness.
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So I can face tomorrow For tomorrow's in your hands
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All I need you will provide Just like you always have
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I'm fighting a battle You already won No matter what comes my way
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But I know what you've done I'm fighting a battle You already won
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I'm fighting a battle You are my hope and stay When the sea is raging
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Your spirit is my help You'll fix my eyes on Jesus Christ
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I'll say that it is well I'll say that it is well Oh, I know that it is well
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I'm fighting a battle You've already won No matter what comes my way
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I will overcome I will overcome Don't know what you're doing
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But I know what you've done And I'm fighting a battle You've already won
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I know how the story ends I know how the story ends We will be with you again
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We will be with you again You're my Savior, my defense You're my Savior, my defense You're my Savior, my defense You don't have to be afraid anymore
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No more fear in life or death I know how the story ends
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I know how the story ends I know how the story ends
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we will be with you we will be with you again How the story ends