Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - May 19, 2025


Ep 1191 ｜ Shane & Shane on Finding Faith in a Bar & Singing the Psalms


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50 minutes

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7,751

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618

Misogynist Sentences

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00:00:00.460 We've got such a special episode for y'all today.
00:00:03.120 Shane and Shane, the incredible worship duo, is here today.
00:00:07.900 And not only are they going to lead us in worship, perform a song for us, walk us through
00:00:13.780 one of their song-centered devotions, but they're also going to share their testimonies
00:00:19.880 with us, how they were saved when they believed the gospel, and how that led them into this
00:00:25.420 25-year-plus journey of singing the Word of God and helping us memorize and sing the
00:00:33.260 Word of God.
00:00:33.820 This is just such an encouraging and special treat for me personally, and I know it will
00:00:39.280 be for y'all too.
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00:00:55.420 Shane and Shane, thanks so much for taking the time to join us.
00:01:00.840 It really is such an honor.
00:01:02.280 I've been listening to y'all forever.
00:01:03.740 Come on.
00:01:04.660 Yeah.
00:01:05.200 Y'all are awesome.
00:01:05.840 It's an honor to be on.
00:01:07.220 Well, thank you.
00:01:08.000 Thanks for having us.
00:01:08.920 Okay.
00:01:09.260 So I would guess that the vast majority of people listening to or watching this are very
00:01:13.440 familiar with y'all, have worshiped alongside y'all's music for a long time.
00:01:17.340 But for those who don't know your story and how you guys started out, was it something
00:01:23.400 where y'all were looking for someone with the same name and you were like, as soon as
00:01:26.600 I find this person, I'm going to form a band.
00:01:28.580 That was on the application.
00:01:29.940 Yeah, it was.
00:01:30.640 Okay.
00:01:31.040 Got it.
00:01:31.780 Got it.
00:01:32.480 I didn't know if that was an origin story.
00:01:34.100 He actually changed his name to Shane.
00:01:35.800 No, he didn't.
00:01:36.560 Oh, yeah.
00:01:36.820 No, just kidding.
00:01:37.840 No.
00:01:38.400 Fake news.
00:01:38.840 We were business majors at Texas A&M University.
00:01:44.740 No business doing anything like this, like anything artsy.
00:01:48.840 Neither one of us grew up in a Christian home or a singing home.
00:01:55.360 And I came to Christ in high school, just very out of the blue.
00:02:00.540 The Lord got me in West Texas and I learned GCD and E minor on a guitar.
00:02:07.500 I had, my dad had an old prop guitar.
00:02:10.000 It wasn't like a guitar that you play.
00:02:12.220 It's like they had it like on top of the cupboards, kind of next to the stuffed rattlesnake.
00:02:17.160 Yeah, his family is a prop family.
00:02:19.560 It was just a lot of props.
00:02:20.560 They like props.
00:02:21.480 Oh, yeah.
00:02:21.740 Yeah.
00:02:22.420 And I took that thing down and I had my youth pastor, just a tiny little youth group, like
00:02:27.600 30 kids teach me these four chords.
00:02:30.340 And so I was off to the races.
00:02:32.160 It wasn't my thing, but I could play 20 worship songs.
00:02:36.460 And I took those 20 worship songs, you know, into college.
00:02:39.980 And every Saturday night we would get together and sing and pray, open God's word.
00:02:46.220 And my roommates at Texas A&M, my junior year, they talked me into doing this outdoor festival.
00:02:54.660 They're like, we need a two in the afternoon slot.
00:02:57.860 You're going to do it.
00:02:58.880 And I was terrified.
00:03:01.400 Terrified.
00:03:01.840 But my guitar didn't plug in, never written a song, never sang into a microphone, you know.
00:03:07.580 And so anyway, I went down the street and borrowed a guitar that did plug in from a guy named Shane.
00:03:12.480 Yep.
00:03:13.380 And actually he was like, my name's Shine.
00:03:16.160 Just like that.
00:03:17.420 And I was like, Shine.
00:03:19.280 Shine and shine.
00:03:20.320 Shine and shine.
00:03:21.760 Anyway, so I borrowed his guitar, played this concert.
00:03:24.080 It was horrible.
00:03:25.780 But the.
00:03:27.380 It was horrible.
00:03:28.140 It was horrible.
00:03:29.020 It was horrible.
00:03:29.620 Really it was?
00:03:30.640 Or do you just feel that way?
00:03:31.700 It was.
00:03:32.640 It was.
00:03:34.160 If we would watch, if we would have watched it now, we probably would have said, oh man,
00:03:38.960 those guys don't.
00:03:39.480 My girls point in my face and laugh.
00:03:42.280 And when I show them that early stuff.
00:03:43.940 Okay.
00:03:44.360 You still have videos of this.
00:03:45.980 Oh man.
00:03:46.840 It's so bad.
00:03:48.300 The Lord's just got a sense of humor.
00:03:50.160 I mean, like he can use whoever he wants to do whatever he wants to do, you know.
00:03:55.900 Okay, so it wasn't an instant spark of like, wow, this is just perfect and our voices just
00:04:01.180 go together.
00:04:01.920 No, we didn't even sing together at that event.
00:04:04.660 He borrowed my guitar.
00:04:05.860 Oh, okay.
00:04:06.440 Got it.
00:04:06.680 And then I wasn't even a believer at the time.
00:04:09.740 And then two weeks later, pretty much, I mean, almost, I'd probably say, yeah, maybe
00:04:15.080 two weeks.
00:04:16.380 I was in a, I was in this little bar band in, in college and I ended up at two in the
00:04:23.100 morning waiting on a check.
00:04:24.700 The lights came on in this bar.
00:04:26.740 And if anybody's ever been in a bar when the, when the neon's on versus when the fluorescents
00:04:32.360 come on, it's a different view.
00:04:34.480 And that image, I had kind of grown up around.
00:04:37.720 My grandfather was a deacon at church, sent me to camp every year.
00:04:40.340 So I got saved at camp every year, never stuck.
00:04:43.260 But, but then, but then in college, when the lights came on in this bar, like I didn't
00:04:48.500 hear the audible voice of God, but the Lord called me home.
00:04:51.600 And that was like the beginning of, um, of my walk.
00:04:56.060 I ended up getting up the next morning, going to this little church called Central Baptist
00:05:00.200 Church and, and Brian, Texas, where we were both at, at A&M.
00:05:05.200 And I didn't even know what the pastor talked about.
00:05:07.860 I just knew because I'd grown up around the Baptist faith that you had to walk down front
00:05:12.120 and fill out a card to be saved.
00:05:14.260 You know, that's just what you had to do.
00:05:16.380 You know, you walk up front.
00:05:17.440 Which you don't, by the way.
00:05:18.300 You don't have to do that.
00:05:19.420 But like, at the time, at the time, if you grew up Baptist, you know what I'm talking about.
00:05:24.600 But I was just like, so I don't know what he talked about, but I walked up front and
00:05:27.920 that was the beginning of, of my journey.
00:05:31.220 And I was talking to the pastor.
00:05:33.360 He said, what do you do?
00:05:34.040 I was like, well, I've been singing in this bar band, but I'm, you know, I'm not gonna do
00:05:37.120 that anymore.
00:05:37.600 And he's like, you know, you want to sing in the choir?
00:05:40.260 So that night I went, get saved.
00:05:42.900 That night I go and I rehearse with the old choir peeps at Central Baptist Church.
00:05:50.560 And that's where my buddies and I saw him singing in this choir.
00:05:54.500 It's like, everybody knew the words, but him, but he was super, super pumped about it.
00:05:58.260 Yeah.
00:05:58.700 So we like walked up to him afterward, you know, cause we had met and it's like, Hey man,
00:06:03.280 you need to, you need a couple of buddies.
00:06:05.100 You want some friends, buddy?
00:06:06.580 You just up here.
00:06:07.460 Come over.
00:06:08.840 And he did.
00:06:09.800 And he jumped in the car, uh, pretty much around that season.
00:06:14.520 And we were just in, in a little GM, 1988 GMC, Jimmy, just driving around singing these horrible.
00:06:24.440 Well, after his concert, people started calling him.
00:06:28.220 So he played this show, which he said was horrible.
00:06:31.020 And people were like, Hey, can you come, you know, lead for this and that and this and that.
00:06:37.140 And so within a couple of months he had dropped out of school to go play these shows for a plate of lasagna and gas money.
00:06:46.680 And that's, and he was like, you want to go and get in the car with me?
00:06:50.920 So I hopped in the car with him and I hadn't got out yet.
00:06:54.400 Yeah.
00:06:54.580 So here we are 27 years, 25, something like that years later.
00:07:00.040 Yeah.
00:07:00.760 Still, still, still doing it.
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00:08:43.360 Okay, do you mind if I ask a little bit more about both of you coming to faith?
00:08:47.420 Because I love hearing people's testimonies.
00:08:49.760 You said it was in high school.
00:08:51.120 You were not raised in a Christian home.
00:08:53.680 Were you plugged into a church?
00:08:55.280 You said something about your youth group leader.
00:08:57.060 Like, when did you hear the gospel and believe it?
00:08:58.960 So I was on my buddy Zach's roof, his mom's roof, playing football at night.
00:09:07.620 Okay, that's a combo.
00:09:09.960 That's a West Texas thing.
00:09:10.980 Don't recommend it.
00:09:11.920 Yeah.
00:09:12.940 But this particular night, like the moon wasn't there.
00:09:19.660 So it's just West Texas stars lighting up the sky, you know.
00:09:22.680 And I don't even remember the details, but something happened in me.
00:09:30.600 Looking back on it, we sing Psalm 8 pretty often.
00:09:36.200 And I feel like I had this Psalm 8 moment where it's like, the one who put the stars in their
00:09:42.680 place with his fingertips.
00:09:44.320 Perhaps, who am I that you would be mindful of me?
00:09:49.800 Could there be a real God and could he be mindful of me?
00:09:55.760 And it was very, like I said, vague because I didn't have any language and I didn't grow up around the gospel.
00:10:03.940 And so I started to sneak out on Wednesday nights back in the day when you could tell mom and dad you're going to be gone for six hours and nobody cared, you know, before cell phones.
00:10:16.740 And I would sneak out to this little youth group and I heard the gospel and it wrecked me.
00:10:25.200 I've never been able to recover from that.
00:10:27.720 Would your parents have disapproved if they knew you were going to church?
00:10:30.560 Well, my mom was from a long line of Catholic families.
00:10:34.660 And so like I knew that if I told her that I was going to like a Spible church youth group that I think she might not have let me.
00:10:43.020 So I didn't want to risk it.
00:10:45.520 Yeah.
00:10:46.740 Within a couple of years, she was like coming, you know, my brother had, I had just one older brother.
00:10:53.620 He came to Christ and then my mom started to come.
00:10:56.980 She came to Christ.
00:10:57.820 And then 15 years later, my John Wayne dad at age 66 gave his life to Christ.
00:11:05.240 Wow.
00:11:05.540 And I got to baptize my mom and dad.
00:11:07.860 He died right after that suddenly.
00:11:10.160 But it was just, yeah, God just had a plan to capture our hearts.
00:11:15.660 And yeah, I think it's interesting that for you, you were on the roof.
00:11:20.320 It was dark except for the light of the stars.
00:11:22.280 And for you, it was dark.
00:11:23.680 And then the lights turned on in a very different setting.
00:11:26.360 But on the inside.
00:11:27.760 And so, you know, in two different ways, God used like that light and darkness in both of your testimonies.
00:11:33.480 And you felt like it was kind of a moment too.
00:11:37.000 What was it about the lights turning on in the bar that made you kind of come to your senses?
00:11:43.160 You know, my grandfather was a, he was a deacon at a Baptist church.
00:11:52.260 And my, he kind of ruled with an iron fist a little bit.
00:11:56.720 And so my dad was, was, he was kind of like, I'm not into this.
00:12:01.660 And so my family kind of would try to, I think when I was growing up, would try to appease my grandfather.
00:12:09.580 And so I would go to camp.
00:12:11.280 I would do disciple.
00:12:12.840 Now we would go up there on Wednesday nights and eat.
00:12:14.960 And so there was like a little bit, so I had heard the gospel a lot, you know, and, and, um, and so I knew the stories and I, and I feel like I, I was probably like that seed that fell in the rocky soil.
00:12:29.260 And so there was, there would have been like a few weeks of like, man, I, I've tasted a little bit of what it means to like, so I'd like something about the Lord had enticed me in seasons because of, I think just proximity.
00:12:44.060 But it never took root.
00:12:46.400 It never took root.
00:12:47.700 So it was like two weeks later, I'm back to the old ways, you know, and, and then, you know, I'm at, I'm at school and I'm doing internships and I'm, I'm like, I'm pursuing the world as hard as you can pursue the world.
00:13:03.260 Like, I mean, you know, going to, going to do corporate real estate, going to do these things, really pursuing career and, and everything and trying to, you know, check all the boxes to do the things, to get the stuff, you know?
00:13:17.980 And, um, I was in this band and, and we were, you know, for a college band on a college campus, we were having a lot of fun, you know?
00:13:29.260 And, um, and I think I was finally at the end of like, if this is all the world has, it's not working for me.
00:13:38.840 And, and it kind of culminated in an evening on the end of the stage, waiting to get paid.
00:13:44.600 You know, we got a portion of tip share.
00:13:46.900 It was in Killeen, Texas.
00:13:49.680 Fort Hood is there.
00:13:50.600 And we were throwing a party for all the troops at this, it was like an indoor outdoor, like a sand volleyball court and then a club inside.
00:13:58.760 And so it's kind of in and out and people were bathing suits and there's a lot of consumption and sweat.
00:14:05.880 So like the, the inside when they turned the fluorescence on was very rough.
00:14:12.200 So, I mean, sand and just, and the walls were not nice.
00:14:17.900 I mean, everything about it.
00:14:19.200 I mean, it was just bad.
00:14:20.180 And so they turned the lights on and like the Lord just used that picture to just say, man, this look familiar to you.
00:14:29.040 Right.
00:14:29.660 You know?
00:14:30.220 And so I, I just was like, this is me.
00:14:33.920 This is me.
00:14:35.300 I feel like I look good under the neon, but when the light, when I'm exposed.
00:14:40.120 And so I think the Lord just really was gracious to me to say, to, to say there's more.
00:14:46.260 And I felt like he said, son, it's time to come home.
00:14:48.280 That's what I felt in my heart.
00:14:50.180 And so that was the beginning.
00:14:52.140 Wow.
00:14:52.640 That was the beginning.
00:14:53.340 And just like Shane said, I didn't have the language for that really, but I just knew that I was like, I want to follow Jesus.
00:15:00.800 Yeah.
00:15:01.240 I don't know what that means, but I want to, because like I'm, I'm tired enough.
00:15:05.580 Yeah.
00:15:05.980 And so that's, that was, that's the beginning of the journey.
00:15:09.200 Yeah.
00:15:09.640 Wow.
00:15:09.980 That's such a good metaphor for sin in general.
00:15:12.060 Like Satan uses darkness to make sin look really good.
00:15:14.740 And then when God is gracious to turn the lights on, you're like, this is really bad.
00:15:18.480 Yeah.
00:15:18.680 This is really gross.
00:15:19.840 Yeah.
00:15:20.020 Yeah.
00:15:20.540 Gosh, that's such a good picture.
00:15:22.180 Okay.
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00:16:29.120 So y'all started together in 2000?
00:16:32.020 Was that right?
00:16:33.580 Or a little before that?
00:16:34.780 Like, yeah.
00:16:35.780 90.
00:16:36.600 So that, all of those things were happening in 97.
00:16:40.500 Mm-hmm.
00:16:41.180 Okay.
00:16:41.500 And then Shane had done a record with another guy, not on purpose, just, they just were just
00:16:48.180 there.
00:16:48.880 Yeah.
00:16:49.180 Caleb.
00:16:49.760 Caleb.
00:16:50.220 And this guy was like, I got our studio in my basement.
00:16:53.060 So they went over there in one day and made this little thing.
00:16:55.720 And then Shane did a record in 98 called Rocks Won't Cry.
00:16:58.800 And he said, and I, we had become really good friends and kind of started hanging out a lot.
00:17:04.720 And I got on the road with him and, and just all kinds of, there's so many stories that
00:17:09.500 are around that.
00:17:10.820 But, but then he's like, you want to sing on a few of these songs?
00:17:13.820 And I said, sure.
00:17:15.660 I sang, I sang on the songs and then we started singing them and it was just like, Shane's
00:17:19.960 coming and Shane's coming.
00:17:21.540 Yeah.
00:17:21.780 So that's how Shane and Shane happened.
00:17:23.800 Yeah.
00:17:24.560 And it wasn't intentional.
00:17:25.700 Like, Ooh, we got, Ooh, this is kind of catchy.
00:17:27.860 That didn't happen.
00:17:28.660 And then, and then it was just like, what are we supposed to sing?
00:17:32.200 And like, it's just like, I think they used to sing the Psalms.
00:17:35.880 So we started singing Psalms.
00:17:37.780 Yeah.
00:17:38.300 Because both of us were so green.
00:17:39.380 I mean, you know, we were semi new in our faith and, and really didn't have any grid
00:17:45.940 for music or Christian music or songwriting.
00:17:48.400 And so like, as life started to smack us in the face, we just started to sing God's
00:17:53.900 word and it's, it, it started to work like in our own heart.
00:17:59.260 And then God started to use that in other people's lives too.
00:18:02.460 And so singing his word has been a common denominator in our, in our music, just because
00:18:07.320 it's been so helpful in our own personal life, in our family's lives.
00:18:13.180 It's been sweet.
00:18:14.120 Well, it's been helpful to me too.
00:18:15.880 And my producer, actually, I think it's okay for me to say this.
00:18:18.740 She was saying how a lot of y'all songs, just singing the Psalms has helped her memorize
00:18:22.820 the Psalms, that that is actually how they're in their head.
00:18:26.200 And it makes so much sense because so much, I mean, whether it's the Pledge of Allegiance
00:18:31.020 or whether it is like the, uh, like different parts of speech, like I can say a lot of those
00:18:36.960 in song because that's how we learned them.
00:18:39.700 And so it makes sense that we are commanded to do the, to sing the Psalms.
00:18:44.040 And the hymns and the spiritual songs, because that is how God's word kind of nestles itself
00:18:48.900 into our heart.
00:18:49.840 And we still remember it decades and decades later.
00:18:52.900 For sure.
00:18:53.560 It's powerful.
00:18:54.780 Tell me a little bit more about what the journey has been like in contemporary Christian music.
00:19:00.760 Y'all are so unique in that you do have songs that are played on the radio that people just
00:19:06.320 like to listen to, but it is really mostly worship.
00:19:10.140 And as you said, it really is explicitly based on the word of God.
00:19:16.080 And how has that, what has it been like to kind of navigate that industry over the past
00:19:21.440 25 plus years?
00:19:24.000 Yeah, I, I don't know, uh, or from, from, from really early on, we were so disconnected
00:19:32.380 to the industry because we were just these two college dropouts who had some music and
00:19:40.000 we're selling it out of the back of our car.
00:19:42.740 People were calling us to come sing these songs.
00:19:46.060 People were burning records, Napster hit.
00:19:49.800 So there was a way to get music.
00:19:51.720 And so we were, we started to kind of go out, you know, of our region and we would go to
00:19:56.440 other States and people would know these songs, but we were like, how do you know these songs?
00:20:01.440 Because we weren't on the radio, we weren't in any stores.
00:20:05.200 Um, and so just the, the power of technology, um, started to kind of give us a place to go
00:20:12.860 and a platform to sing God's word, uh, which now it's, I mean, it's very similar to your
00:20:19.620 Spotify and iTunes and Amazon and YouTube and all of that.
00:20:22.780 Um, back then that was illegal, you know, but, but the, especially in the college world,
00:20:28.500 it was, it was rampant, you know, so like music spread like wildfire.
00:20:33.540 Um, and, and we just did our thing.
00:20:36.100 So we just started to, you know, the, the record we did together at first, it came out of a
00:20:41.600 really hard season of like a desert season.
00:20:44.580 And it was just singing the Psalms because I wasn't even making a record when I was writing
00:20:50.800 those, I wasn't writing for a record.
00:20:53.100 I was just, I was just crying out to God, revive me for your namesake, revive me for your
00:20:58.660 namesake.
00:20:59.700 And, uh, when that season was over, um, it was like, I moved to Dallas and we record those
00:21:06.900 Psalms and we call it Shane and Shane.
00:21:10.920 Yeah.
00:21:12.400 Psalms.
00:21:12.900 Psalms.
00:21:13.340 Psalms.
00:21:13.980 Did y'all lose your accent somewhere along the way?
00:21:16.100 Shane still has his accent.
00:21:16.900 Because whenever y'all are talking about nineties and early two thousands, Shane and Shane, y'all
00:21:20.500 have a West Texas accent, but I don't hear it as much anymore.
00:21:24.920 Maybe if, if this guy gets around his family, he goes there.
00:21:30.220 I do.
00:21:30.700 I do.
00:21:31.660 I kind of adopt any accent that I'm around.
00:21:35.700 Okay.
00:21:36.380 So if we took you to Australia right now, yeah, I would probably start doing it.
00:21:41.940 It's people get embarrassed.
00:21:43.720 Went to go to restaurants with me.
00:21:45.540 Yeah.
00:21:46.060 Because, uh, it's, uh, it's a little inappropriate.
00:21:49.760 Yeah.
00:21:50.140 Yep.
00:21:50.820 Mm-hmm.
00:21:51.440 But I don't even mean to do it.
00:21:53.320 You just, it just happens.
00:21:54.860 It starts to happen.
00:21:56.020 That's so funny.
00:21:56.480 It's weird.
00:21:57.180 It's weird.
00:21:57.620 Yeah.
00:21:57.800 Mm-hmm.
00:21:58.340 But we, you know, we, I mean, being around the industry, I mean, we signed a record deal
00:22:02.020 in 2001 and, you know, but things didn't really change.
00:22:06.040 We didn't move to Nashville.
00:22:06.980 We kind of stayed in Dallas and we kind of did our thing.
00:22:09.780 We were, we'd lived on the road, probably unhealthily for a really long time, a couple
00:22:15.620 hundred shows, 250 shows, a couple of years, and just like lived on the road, just going,
00:22:22.080 going and doing.
00:22:23.000 And I think, you know, we both grew up pretty blue collar.
00:22:25.880 And so we didn't have like the artist.
00:22:29.200 We never had an artist mentality.
00:22:31.920 Yeah.
00:22:32.220 Um, it, it just wasn't in us and I don't even know if it is still today.
00:22:37.680 I think we're probably pretty practical guys.
00:22:41.540 Um, you know, but, but we love the word of God.
00:22:45.820 We think it's alive.
00:22:46.720 It's active.
00:22:47.560 It speaks.
00:22:48.400 It speaks today.
00:22:49.600 And, and we feel like, man, it's, it's in the Lord has given us, um, an opportunity to,
00:22:56.760 um, set the table for people, um, to, to love his word.
00:23:02.220 For both of us.
00:23:03.840 It's funny because music has never been a passion.
00:23:07.260 It was kind of, it was sort of like something that was a surprise.
00:23:11.000 Um, but, but Jesus from those early years has been our passion, the gospel, the good
00:23:18.020 news, um, the life that we've experienced and see, seen him bring to like parts that
00:23:25.400 were dead.
00:23:26.940 And, and, um, so like now, now in this season, we're getting for the past 10 years, we're
00:23:32.840 getting to pour into the church.
00:23:35.040 Um, we were a part of a ministry called the worship initiative.
00:23:37.980 And so we, we go to work when we're not on the road every day.
00:23:42.080 And we're part of a team of people that just pours into the church and, um, pastors and
00:23:49.180 their worship teams.
00:23:50.140 And, um, and to some degree now just lay people, you know, of like, um, getting around this
00:23:55.840 idea of like singing and why would we sing?
00:23:58.780 And what does that do?
00:24:00.000 And it's just open up the Bible and go, well, here's what it does and let's go do this
00:24:05.660 together.
00:24:06.340 And so we get to, we get to make a lot of cool resources and be a part of a great team.
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00:25:55.200 I have a question about family discipleship and y'all are girl dads.
00:26:01.640 We, my chief related bro, that's his nickname on this show.
00:26:04.460 My husband and I are girl parents.
00:26:06.860 Yeah.
00:26:07.340 Full-time women's ministry.
00:26:08.760 Yes.
00:26:09.040 That's what we do.
00:26:09.800 It's real.
00:26:10.320 I know.
00:26:11.060 And I love it so much.
00:26:12.360 And so I just want to get y'all's advice on how you started, how you and your wives started
00:26:18.100 family devotionals and family discipleship time.
00:26:22.580 Like, what does that look like in y'all's homes?
00:26:24.740 And if you have any advice for Christian parents out there, especially of little ones, what would
00:26:29.940 you tell them?
00:26:32.200 Go ahead.
00:26:34.100 A couple of things come to mind.
00:26:35.900 And one, three things come to mind quickly.
00:26:41.440 First, I think the Lord has used our failures more than our successes.
00:26:49.360 Um, in the moments that we can humble ourselves and ask for forgiveness, like model brokenness,
00:26:58.620 model a need for Jesus.
00:27:00.380 Like daddy needs Jesus.
00:27:03.400 You, it's not just you.
00:27:04.700 Like this is for me.
00:27:06.180 And the Lord's really used that.
00:27:09.140 I can just see that.
00:27:10.860 Um, another thing for me, I'm the nighttime dad, you know, my wife, she's the morning mom.
00:27:16.400 And so I've done, I've done tuck ins over the years and, uh, there was a moment years ago
00:27:24.260 where I got convicted by the Holy spirit to formalize tuck in times instead of like, I'm
00:27:33.340 beat, I'm tired.
00:27:34.580 I've been through the day.
00:27:36.000 Let's just get this over with so I can be with Beth and, you know, watch something or hang
00:27:40.640 out or, you know, um, instead of having that mindset of like really formalizing that moment.
00:27:49.020 Like I'm walking up these stairs, asking the Holy spirit, um, for his leadership as I, as
00:27:57.680 I sit with these girls for 30 minutes and just that one little decision made a big impact.
00:28:03.920 Um, because he would answer, you know, and lots of conversations, songs, scripture, um,
00:28:13.360 that has been really neat.
00:28:14.600 This third, thirdly this year, we pulled out of all school systems and we're the awkward
00:28:21.220 homeschool family now, um, which one of the cool things about that is it's given us the
00:28:26.500 opportunity to do family devotions in the mornings to where last, it used to be like so early,
00:28:31.720 everybody's just getting ready and we got to get everybody to three different places.
00:28:34.860 And it was nuts.
00:28:36.760 Um, and so now, you know, every weekday we, um, we're just, we're, we read, we've read
00:28:43.680 through a couple of books in the Bible and really dialogue, uh, around the table about what that
00:28:51.300 is.
00:28:51.780 And then we'll sing a song and pray together.
00:28:53.700 And it's, it's been really, really sweet just to have that moment in our day that's available.
00:28:59.040 Um, I can see God really using that.
00:29:02.160 Yeah.
00:29:02.700 I love that.
00:29:03.420 So good.
00:29:04.460 I love that y'all called it full-time women's ministry too.
00:29:07.080 Yeah.
00:29:08.240 Full-time women's ministry.
00:29:10.380 That's what we do.
00:29:11.500 I love that.
00:29:12.080 Every day.
00:29:12.680 Yeah.
00:29:13.380 Every day.
00:29:14.820 Well, yeah, man.
00:29:15.980 That's so good.
00:29:16.720 Okay.
00:29:16.920 Tell me about the new devotional worship initiative that y'all have that people can listen to
00:29:23.420 every day, right?
00:29:24.960 Yes.
00:29:25.540 Okay.
00:29:25.760 Tell me about it.
00:29:26.460 So, um, uh, you, you know, we've made songs for years and years, uh, we've, and that, that
00:29:36.160 have been distributed and I think people have been encouraged by, um, but I think there's
00:29:41.220 something to, something different about the rhythm and consistency of, of doing something
00:29:48.280 every day.
00:29:48.960 Um, and so, um, we decided to, to turn the mic on and just sit around a table and say,
00:29:58.660 Lord, would you use these, these scriptures and our voice to try to connect the head and
00:30:08.560 the heart, you know?
00:30:10.200 Um, and just to say, everybody has been given a voice and, and Shane says it every, every
00:30:17.440 day.
00:30:17.900 It's just like, he's given you a unique voice, the way that it sounds, the way that it's
00:30:23.780 made to glorify the Lord.
00:30:26.660 And there's something like even, even he, he would say that like when he became a Christian,
00:30:31.640 it's like, he kind of sang his way into believing some of these truths that we say.
00:30:36.700 A hundred percent, you know, it's like there, there's something that happens that's, that's
00:30:41.240 not just cerebral when there's a humbling effect of lifting your voice to the Lord.
00:30:47.400 It, it really is a neutralizer of a lot of things.
00:30:51.720 Yeah.
00:30:52.100 And so I've seen that as I've done the Devo and I'm going to tell one quick story about
00:30:56.740 the Devo.
00:30:57.260 Yeah.
00:30:57.960 And so, you know, a lot of people would say, might say, singing's not for me.
00:31:04.120 Singing's not my thing.
00:31:05.380 They might go to church, they might sit in a pew or sit in a chair and they would see
00:31:11.260 people like maybe raising their hands or closing their eyes or singing loudly or enjoying it.
00:31:17.980 And they would sit kind of in the back and they would be like, okay, I'm going to, I'm
00:31:22.860 going to, I'm going to press through this to get to the important thing, which is the,
00:31:29.040 the sharing of God's word or something like that.
00:31:31.620 Um, and there's, there's a story that there's a guy came up to me who our kids go to school
00:31:36.780 together, uh, that my daughter was in a little program with his and he pulls me aside and
00:31:42.480 he said, man, I've been doing this Devo that you guys have.
00:31:45.300 And he said that exact same thing.
00:31:48.180 He's like, I've been going to church my whole life.
00:31:50.640 And, and when people were singing, I just thought it wasn't for me.
00:31:55.240 I have a horrible voice.
00:31:56.580 I'm embarrassed by my voice.
00:31:58.480 I don't think I can hold a tune, but I've been getting by myself and I've been, I've been
00:32:02.180 singing with you guys in the morning.
00:32:04.440 And those, that rhythm, the Lord began to change his heart, change his heart.
00:32:10.380 And I think it's by degrees, but after a couple of weeks, I mean, he starts telling me this,
00:32:14.800 he starts and he starts crying and he's just like, the Lord's given me a voice to sing to
00:32:20.960 him.
00:32:21.220 That's so beautiful.
00:32:21.920 And like Shane says it, it's just like, it's, it's a means of grace that the Lord has given
00:32:25.980 us to like connect our emotions inside of, of what his word says.
00:32:33.200 And sometimes it just takes that to just, to open our mouth and sing as an act of faith.
00:32:41.700 And he's been responding and he's using this tool to, and people are responding to it.
00:32:48.340 And the Lord is responding, uh, with some, I mean, the stories are,
00:32:51.920 just, it's endless.
00:32:53.220 Yeah.
00:32:53.420 And I think it's, it's, it's like, duh, you know, like Colossians 3, 16 says, um, may
00:33:00.540 the word of Christ dwell richly in you as you sing Psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs.
00:33:06.980 You said that earlier, um, with gratefulness to God in your heart, like the word of Christ
00:33:11.520 begins to dwell richly in you.
00:33:14.200 Um, it's like a promise of God's word when we sing, you know, um, and it's kind of like,
00:33:20.300 of course, you know, how many times during, during singing, during a song in church or
00:33:26.520 in my car with my girls, have I, have I been really stepped into faith?
00:33:33.140 Like, I didn't believe that.
00:33:35.220 Like, if I'm being honest, like, I, I feel like God, you are low grade disappointed with
00:33:41.900 me always.
00:33:43.320 And then in a song, um, I'm admonished and I'm taught and I'm like, Oh my goodness.
00:33:50.980 All that disappointment went on the cross, all of that shame went on the cross and like
00:33:57.200 over and over again, like singing has literally stepped, I'm stepping off this dark place into
00:34:06.480 faith and, um, and largely God's used the grace of singing to do that.
00:34:12.220 So we're just inviting people in of like, come on and let's just try it again.
00:34:16.760 Kind of like formalize it a little bit, not just like Spotify's on in the background.
00:34:20.860 We all know that we all know that kind of, you know, um, worship music is playing in my
00:34:25.920 house often and, um, different than that.
00:34:28.720 Like, let's, let's set aside 12 minutes and let's just ask the Lord to speak and then get
00:34:35.860 into the word and then sing it and see what happens over time.
00:34:38.540 It's been wonderful.
00:34:39.760 Wonderful.
00:34:40.220 That is so good.
00:34:41.040 So where can people subscribe?
00:34:43.320 They're sold now.
00:34:44.420 Where should they subscribe?
00:34:45.720 Then they, well, you have right now, the way we deliver it is through texts.
00:34:50.460 Okay.
00:34:51.080 And so you can text a number.
00:34:53.460 Okay.
00:34:53.980 Which I could get, you want me to just say it?
00:34:56.160 You, if you want to, yeah.
00:34:57.340 I could say it, we could throw it up on the screen.
00:34:59.780 Yeah.
00:35:00.680 I don't know the number by heart, but I sure can find it.
00:35:04.240 That's okay.
00:35:04.800 I mean, we can also just put it up on the screen.
00:35:06.700 We can put it on the screen.
00:35:08.120 Yeah.
00:35:08.440 Well, you know what?
00:35:09.280 There's going to be people listening to this.
00:35:11.240 Yeah.
00:35:11.460 This is what you do.
00:35:12.420 This is what you do.
00:35:13.320 This is what you do.
00:35:13.960 And it's going to be hard to remember, but if you text Devo, D-E-V-O, to 682-318-3835.
00:35:25.860 Okay.
00:35:26.980 682-318-3835.
00:35:30.640 You can rewind it.
00:35:31.700 Yeah.
00:35:32.020 Just text Devo to that number.
00:35:33.060 And you get a text every morning at about 7 to 7.15, and you just click on it, and there
00:35:40.360 you are.
00:35:40.860 Yeah.
00:35:41.380 And you're with us.
00:35:42.380 That's so good.
00:35:42.880 And so it's been amazing.
00:35:45.220 That is amazing.
00:35:46.120 And we'll put it in the description of this episode.
00:35:48.200 So if you're driving, don't feel like you have to write it down.
00:35:50.980 Don't write it down.
00:35:51.340 We'll put it in the description later when you get home.
00:35:53.880 You have that number there, and you can text it.
00:35:55.860 Well, thank you all so much.
00:35:56.860 And we have a treat because y'all are going to do a sampling.
00:36:00.040 Y'all are going to do a Devo and sing a song for us.
00:36:04.120 I'm so excited.
00:36:05.000 So without further ado, let's go.
00:36:06.780 Let's do it.
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00:37:22.260 Howdy y'all.
00:37:30.920 Shane's here.
00:37:31.640 Come on.
00:37:32.180 Here we are.
00:37:33.040 We have a special guest.
00:37:34.600 We do.
00:37:35.340 Allie Beth Stuckey is going to just sit in with us today.
00:37:39.000 Yeah.
00:37:39.160 And she doesn't think she has a voice, but I think by the end of this, it's, she's going
00:37:42.740 to be like, God has given me a voice.
00:37:45.200 Okay.
00:37:45.640 We'll see.
00:37:46.440 It'll have to be the Holy Spirit.
00:37:48.300 We'll see about that.
00:37:49.420 We'll see.
00:37:49.840 And if you're joining us for the first time, we do this every day.
00:37:54.360 We come to remember and experience what is true through singing God's word through song
00:38:00.720 and scripture.
00:38:01.560 And so welcome.
00:38:03.100 So grateful to have you sing with us virtually, but what a joy it is to lift our voice to him.
00:38:10.060 And so we're just going to pray for you around this little table.
00:38:12.220 Father, would you allow your word, the word of Christ to dwell richly in our brothers and
00:38:20.900 sisters today as we come before you in song in Jesus name.
00:38:26.900 And brother, sister, would you just take a second and ask the Holy Spirit to speak to
00:38:31.740 you as we sing and pray and read God's word today.
00:38:36.920 Let's sing this little chorus together.
00:38:49.600 I'm fighting a battle.
00:38:50.940 You've already won.
00:38:51.900 No matter what comes my way, I will overcome.
00:39:15.060 I don't know what you're doing, but I know what you've done.
00:39:24.260 I think that language is common language to a lot of people where we say, Lord, if I'm
00:39:44.960 being honest, I have no idea what you're doing.
00:39:48.120 I just got the diagnosis.
00:39:51.300 I just, I just got the report.
00:39:56.440 There's bad news everywhere.
00:39:59.380 We're all living in this world of brokenness.
00:40:04.020 And so it's like, Lord, what are you doing?
00:40:05.740 I don't know what you're doing.
00:40:08.220 But in the same breath, we say, Lord, I don't know what you're doing, but I do know what you've
00:40:14.120 done for me on the cross when you paid for my sins and you died so that I don't have to
00:40:24.940 die.
00:40:26.000 So I'm, I'm super confused on what you're doing, but I know what you've done for me.
00:40:32.260 And I believe that I'm fighting a battle that you've already won on Calvary where you accomplished
00:40:37.100 everything for me, that you conquered sin and death on my behalf.
00:40:43.580 And so I can stand there.
00:40:44.920 And not only that, because of God's word, we know how the story ends.
00:40:48.300 That's right.
00:40:49.460 And can I just tell you, spoiler report, if you have a moment to read the last two chapters
00:40:57.360 of the Bible, it goes really well.
00:41:00.340 It does.
00:41:00.560 It goes super well.
00:41:02.260 Like if you are listening and you have simply received the free gift of God's love for you
00:41:10.300 in his son, Jesus Christ, who was laid down for you, for your sins.
00:41:16.680 If you've received that free gift, can I just say your future is super bright.
00:41:23.840 It's so bright.
00:41:25.220 It couldn't be brighter.
00:41:26.380 Um, and I'm not even talking about like Monday or a week from Monday or a year from Monday
00:41:34.080 or a day that might be really, really good chance.
00:41:37.660 That's all going to be really hard, but we can stand like you're going to be okay because
00:41:45.200 we're standing on the finished work of Jesus and the future grace of Jesus when he comes
00:41:50.300 and makes all things new and we can stand secure.
00:41:53.720 Um, your future doesn't depend on you.
00:41:57.260 It depends on him and our faith in him.
00:42:00.860 Like he's done the heavy lifting and we just get to trust and walk in that.
00:42:06.000 Um, and so it's a blessing.
00:42:08.000 It's a blessing.
00:42:08.840 Yeah.
00:42:09.420 It's amazing.
00:42:10.520 Yeah.
00:42:10.860 Gosh, it is.
00:42:12.620 It is.
00:42:13.180 I have so many thoughts about that and so many other contexts.
00:42:17.200 Dying means losing.
00:42:18.220 Like we hear, you know, someone lost their battle to cancer or the side in a war that
00:42:24.600 has the most deaths, that side loses.
00:42:28.340 But in Christianity, death is victory.
00:42:31.280 Not only personally, but to live is Christ, to die is gain.
00:42:35.880 So actually when someone dies, that's a victorious moment for them, even when it's sad for us.
00:42:40.800 But also in the spiritual sense, dying to ourselves is actually winning.
00:42:46.080 And also Jesus's death was actually victory.
00:42:48.680 So that's just another way that Christianity kind of turns the worldly economy and worldly
00:42:55.120 philosophies on its head that dying is not losing.
00:42:59.160 Yeah.
00:43:00.340 Yeah.
00:43:00.980 Isn't it wild?
00:43:01.940 It's completely upside down.
00:43:03.300 It's the upside down kingdom.
00:43:04.220 And, um, and gosh, we put all of our hope in, in his, in his finished work where he died
00:43:14.040 for us.
00:43:15.420 And so we can live like, like you said, like, gosh, that is the cornerstone of our life.
00:43:21.760 Like we can, we can face tomorrow because he conquered death and he lives and we can walk
00:43:27.680 into tomorrow and it's going to be okay.
00:43:29.160 We don't have to, we don't have to worry or depend on our own ability to make it through
00:43:33.920 because he made it, he did it, he's going to carry us through.
00:43:37.920 So that's good.
00:43:39.040 That's good.
00:43:39.440 Can we sing it together?
00:43:40.280 Let's sing it, man.
00:43:41.180 Let's just start.
00:43:41.720 There's peace.
00:43:43.640 That, uh, outlasts, outlasts, there's peace that outlasts darkness.
00:43:48.480 That's it.
00:43:49.000 That's the words.
00:43:50.740 That's the words.
00:43:51.440 You wrote it.
00:43:52.420 I did.
00:43:53.120 I did.
00:43:55.800 All right.
00:43:56.300 The lyrics are there for you.
00:43:57.360 There's peace that outlasts darkness.
00:44:02.820 There's hope that's in the blood.
00:44:07.180 There's future grace that's mine today.
00:44:13.000 That Jesus Christ has won.
00:44:16.660 So I can face tomorrow For tomorrow's in your hands
00:44:27.680 All I need you will provide Just like you always have
00:44:37.720 I'm fighting a battle You already won No matter what comes my way
00:44:55.520 I will overcome Don't know what you're doing
00:45:03.740 But I know what you've done I'm fighting a battle You already won
00:45:19.640 There's mercy in the waiting There's a man
00:45:33.720 I'm fighting a battle You are my hope and stay When the sea is raging
00:45:51.720 Your spirit is my help You'll fix my eyes on Jesus Christ
00:46:03.080 I'll say that it is well I'll say that it is well Oh, I know that it is well
00:46:13.080 I'm fighting a battle You've already won No matter what comes my way
00:46:29.080 I will overcome I will overcome Don't know what you're doing
00:46:39.080 But I know what you've done And I'm fighting a battle You've already won
00:46:53.080 I know how the story ends I know how the story ends We will be with you again
00:47:09.080 We will be with you again You're my Savior, my defense You're my Savior, my defense You're my Savior, my defense You don't have to be afraid anymore
00:47:27.420 No more fear in life or death I know how the story ends
00:47:37.420 I know how the story ends I know how the story ends
00:47:39.420 I know how the story ends We will be with you
00:47:43.420 we will be with you we will be with you again How the story ends
00:47:49.420 No more fear in life or death
00:48:08.280 I know how this story ends
00:48:19.420 I'm fighting the battle
00:48:24.180 You've already won
00:48:29.080 No matter what comes my way
00:48:36.760 I will overcome
00:48:41.260 Don't know what you'll do
00:48:45.000 But I know what you've done
00:48:50.620 I'm fighting a battle
00:48:56.440 You've already won
00:49:00.320 I'm fighting a battle
00:49:07.080 You've already won
00:49:11.660 Father pray just for our friends
00:49:21.500 Out and about today
00:49:22.520 Pray for their hearts
00:49:26.240 That you would comfort them
00:49:27.880 With the finished work of Jesus
00:49:30.720 That your Holy Spirit
00:49:33.580 Would point to Jesus
00:49:35.340 And all that he accomplished there
00:49:37.940 And also what he's going to accomplish
00:49:42.520 When very soon
00:49:44.900 He's going to come make all things new
00:49:47.800 When every tear will
00:49:50.280 Be made purposeful
00:49:54.640 And so would you comfort our friends today
00:49:59.560 They're not fighting alone
00:50:02.340 In fact they're fighting a battle
00:50:03.700 That's been won
00:50:04.420 On the cross for them
00:50:06.560 And I ask this in no ordinary name
00:50:10.840 But the name that's above every name
00:50:13.620 In Jesus name
00:50:14.540 We pray
00:50:15.500 Amen
00:50:17.100 Amen
00:50:19.360 Amen
00:50:20.180 Amen