Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1194 ｜ Parents of Teens： Beware of AI-Generated Blackmail ｜ Guest： Elliston Berry

00:00:00.840 Ellison Berry was a 14-year-old who was the victim of an AI deep fake pornographic image

00:00:09.160 of her being circulated around her high school.

00:00:12.980 Her story is tragic and compelling, but God has used it as a launchpad for really important

00:00:18.900 legislation that has passed Congress called the Take It Down Act.

00:00:23.120 Today, we're not only hearing from her and her mom why this legislation is necessary,

00:00:28.300 but also we're going to set it up with some really important context about what is happening

00:00:33.540 in the pornography industry right now and how Christians should view all of this.

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00:00:58.300 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable.

00:01:06.480 Happy Thursday.

00:01:07.480 Hope everyone is having a wonderful week so far.

00:01:11.200 Okay, we've got to talk about some serious stuff today, some dark stuff today, but it's

00:01:16.480 really important, especially as parents that we really understand what's going on.

00:01:21.340 And like we talked about with Andrew Klavan earlier this week, looking at objective evil

00:01:26.880 straight in the eyes can be really important in drawing us towards what is good and right

00:01:34.720 and true.

00:01:35.380 And when we confront the reality of evil, we can either become paranoid or we can become

00:01:42.900 anxious, we can become fearful ourselves, or we can be strengthened.

00:01:46.960 We can realize that part of the reason that God has placed us on this earth is to make the

00:01:53.020 world around us better for his glory and the good of those he has placed in our lives.

00:01:59.420 And one of the things that the church has done best for thousands of years that we have

00:02:04.300 to take the mantle up on is the defense of children, is the defense of those who do not have a voice

00:02:11.800 that includes embryos in a lab, that includes babies inside the womb, that includes children

00:02:18.060 outside of the womb.

00:02:19.240 And unfortunately, a tale as almost old as time, certainly when we look back thousands

00:02:25.160 of years, we see this in the pagan world, the trend of using children for sexual gratification 0.98

00:02:31.920 and objectification.

00:02:33.500 I've talked a lot about this book by historian Owen Backey, When Children Became People, and

00:02:41.440 he details just the horrible mistreatment of children in ancient pagan Greece and Rome.

00:02:47.940 Sold into slavery, they were sent to exposure hills when they were unwanted newborn children.

00:02:56.080 They were literally placed on these hills to die from things like hypothermia or being

00:03:00.440 eaten by wild animals, or they were sold into slavery or into sex slavery. 0.90

00:03:08.080 They were used by the powerful, by the rich as prostitutes. 0.98

00:03:12.900 Awful, awful treatment of children. 0.82

00:03:14.740 And it was the introduction of Christians 2,000 years ago, their gospel, their, what was at

00:03:21.900 the time, the upside-down worldview that changed everything, not only for children, but for

00:03:28.260 women, for the poor, for those truly on the margins of society.

00:03:32.620 Ancient pagan Greece and Rome said the logos is what determines someone's worth, your full

00:03:37.800 ability to reason and to rationalize.

00:03:41.740 And only the adult free male was seen as having that capacity, whereas children were seen as

00:03:46.400 not having that capacity.

00:03:47.500 So they were viewed as subhuman, and they were treated as such.

00:03:51.800 But Christians coming in with this concept of the Imago Dei, coming in with this radically 0.84

00:03:56.620 equalizing gospel that everyone is equally dead in their sin and can be made alive by grace

00:04:02.320 through faith in him, that changed everything.

00:04:06.000 And as the centuries passed, the treatment of children went from subjugation to a place

00:04:11.240 of special dignity because of their powerlessness, because Christians serve a God who came to 1.00

00:04:17.740 earth as an embryo, who was welcomed by the kicks of an unborn John the Baptist, who was

00:04:23.080 welcomed into the world as a newborn, who, as an adult, said,

00:04:27.980 let the little children come to me, even against the protestations of his disciples, that is

00:04:34.920 the Jesus we serve.

00:04:36.200 And not only that, Jesus is described in John 1 as the capital L logos, the word made flesh.

00:04:43.800 So the capital L logos turned the pagan philosophies of ancient Greece and Rome on its head, who

00:04:50.740 said the lowercase L logos determines someone's worth.

00:04:54.540 But the capital L logo says, no, your worth is determined by me.

00:04:59.040 And the Christians who believed that changed everything for children. 0.93

00:05:03.180 And it is still our task to do so today as we devolve into what seems like, at least from

00:05:09.260 my perspective, paganism, not even atheism, but paganism.

00:05:14.640 As we allow and celebrate child sacrifice, we also see the subjugation and objectification

00:05:20.440 of children.

00:05:22.060 And we see that most prominently through places like Pornhub.

00:05:27.800 Nicholas Kristof is a reporter for the New York Times, and he has been a very brave reporter.

00:05:33.960 I'm sure he is progressive in most ways.

00:05:36.620 But he wrote an article, The Children of Pornhub, back in 2020, which sparked a lot of change,

00:05:44.300 positive change, both legislatively and just in the industry.

00:05:47.820 And he has published a new piece in the New York Times that came out just last week about

00:05:52.560 how Pornhub's employees actually deal with child sex abuse material.

00:05:57.880 And if you don't believe in evil, you just need to read this article.

00:06:02.220 So let me tell you a little bit about it.

00:06:04.380 It's very relevant for our conversation that we're about to have with Elliston Berry.

00:06:08.780 So documents that were accidentally leaked to Nicholas Kristof, or they were leaked and

00:06:14.940 then Nicholas Kristof got a hold of them, show that Pornhub hosted videos tagged with

00:06:20.320 terms like, this is very disturbing, like 12-year-old, with one video of a 15-year-old being, this

00:06:27.640 is very dark, it's even hard for me to say, but it's just the truth of what's going on.

00:06:31.700 And if these children are enduring it, we have to be able to talk about it.

00:06:34.740 This 15-year-old was enduring gang rape.

00:06:38.020 It was uploaded to Pornhub, and it was viewed widely, leading her to being shamed and dropping

00:06:43.540 out of school.

00:06:45.760 As you can imagine, it ruined her life.

00:06:48.100 Pornhub delayed or avoided removing flagged child sex abuse material.

00:06:52.880 So this was content that they knew was child sex abuse material, with 706,000 videos flagged

00:07:00.200 for review, some requiring 16 flags before taking action, and they didn't take action

00:07:05.320 on many of these.

00:07:06.420 So Kristof wrote that internal memos seem to show executives obsessed with making money

00:07:11.000 by attracting the biggest audiences, including pedophiles.

00:07:15.980 In one memo, Pornhub managers proposed words to be banned from video descriptions, such as

00:07:21.660 infant and kitty, while recommending that the site should still include to allow brutal childhood

00:07:29.660 force, unwilling, minor.

00:07:33.420 One internal note says that a person who posted a sex abuse material of a child shouldn't be

00:07:38.720 banned from the site because, quote, the user made money, made themselves money, made the

00:07:45.180 company money.

00:07:46.820 Staff acknowledged in these memos that the presence of child sex abuse material with internal

00:07:50.680 discussions joking about it and debating whether to allow childhood as a search term.

00:07:59.740 A class action lawsuit filed in 2023 exposed Pornhub's monetization of child sex abuse material

00:08:06.960 with tags like young and teenager being highly profited and Pornhub doing absolutely nothing

00:08:14.380 about it.

00:08:15.340 There are other parts of this article that shows memos of Pornhub employees joking about

00:08:23.480 it.

00:08:24.020 One employee saying, we shouldn't CC our manager when we are talking about child sex abuse

00:08:29.000 material.

00:08:29.980 And the other employee says, we don't want our manager to know about this.

00:08:34.940 No, they didn't want people to know about this.

00:08:37.180 The employees of Pornhub know that there are children and there are babies that are being

00:08:42.380 sexually abused on their website, and they won't do anything about it, at least at the

00:08:47.860 executive level, because it makes them money.

00:08:51.400 And that is why they oppose every single regulation and every single form of protection that is out

00:08:59.960 there because they know that they are going to lose money on it.

00:09:05.140 And they see it as, well, if there is a demand for it, then we will just supply it.

00:09:10.400 And it is immoral.

00:09:11.860 I will wash my hands of this.

00:09:13.320 Kind of like Pilot.

00:09:14.260 If the people want it, I'll do it, but I'm not responsible for it.

00:09:17.560 Pilot was wrong.

00:09:18.740 Pornhub is wrong.

00:09:20.180 Nicholas Kristof said that he has never received more death threats after an article than when

00:09:26.400 he published the article in 2020 exposing how Pornhub monetizes child rape.

00:09:33.100 He said that he's reported on terrorism.

00:09:35.720 He's reported on extremists and gangsters.

00:09:39.020 And never has he received more death threats than when he threatened the porn industry.

00:09:44.500 And you think, imagine thinking that Satan isn't real.

00:09:48.540 Imagine thinking that there isn't a print of the power of the air.

00:09:51.820 The spirits that are now at work in the sons of disobedience, says Ephesians 2.

00:09:55.320 Imagine not believing in Ephesians 6 that there is a spiritual battle going on between good

00:10:00.500 and evil.

00:10:01.300 And imagine not having hope that we have a God who promises to come back and avenge the

00:10:07.460 innocent.

00:10:08.540 We have a God who promises that he is going to redeem all of it, that he is going to do

00:10:13.200 away with evildoers and the main evil one forever and ever.

00:10:18.440 Like, imagine not having that hope.

00:10:20.220 Like, aren't we so thankful for the gospel that God is going to do something about all of

00:10:23.700 this?

00:10:24.120 And in the meantime, we as Christians still have a lot of work to do.

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00:12:00.340 Now, this Take It Down Act that we are about to talk about with Elliston Berry, we actually

00:12:06.460 recorded this interview a while ago, so I have an update for some context before we get into

00:12:12.580 that conversation.

00:12:14.140 But just to give you a little intro about who she is, she was 14 years old, a student at

00:12:19.020 Aledo High School in Texas, when a classmate took an image off of her social media where

00:12:24.660 she was fully clothed and used AI to make it look like she was naked.

00:12:30.600 So these deep, fake, naked pictures of her, the perpetrator was a 15-year-old classmate.

00:12:36.780 He also created these fake images of seven other classmates.

00:12:42.300 And this was a really difficult thing, obviously, for her and her family, but also in the hesitance

00:12:48.200 of the school and authorities to really try to find a way to do anything about it.

00:12:53.380 Elliston Berry joined President Trump as a guest at his speech before Congress a few months

00:12:58.220 ago, as he talked about what really is a bipartisan issue, and that is protecting people, especially

00:13:04.060 minors, from the predation of pornography and these kinds of deep, fake images.

00:13:11.260 So her story is really compelling.

00:13:13.300 This is an important one for parents.

00:13:14.900 You need to know what's going on.

00:13:16.620 Without further ado, here is Elliston and her mom, Anna.

00:13:19.540 Okay, before we get into the conversation with Elliston, which we recorded a few weeks ago,

00:13:29.240 I want to give you an update on this Take It Down Act.

00:13:34.060 It was just signed by President Trump into law on Monday.

00:13:38.480 Melania Trump has been a big supporter of this legislation.

00:13:41.760 As you will hear, Elliston and her mom, Anna, were a big part of the passage of this bill,

00:13:48.200 and we should be very grateful to President Trump for signing it into law.

00:13:52.120 You'll hear more about it now and the dangers that led to the need for this kind of law.

00:13:58.880 So thank you, President Trump, for making this happen.

00:14:01.900 And also, you'll hear how grateful we should be to Elliston and her mom for their courage

00:14:07.800 as well.

00:14:08.220 So without further ado, here is Elliston Berry.

00:14:10.360 Elliston and Anna, thank you so much for taking the time to join me.

00:14:19.840 First, I just want to start with your story.

00:14:22.460 Can you take us back to what happened?

00:14:26.040 Yeah, I was a freshman in high school, so this was the most important time.

00:14:31.340 I was so excited for high school.

00:14:33.020 I had volleyball games and football games, and I woke up the weekend or the week right

00:14:38.160 after homecoming, so I woke up with messages from my friend notifying me that these images

00:14:43.160 of me were going around.

00:14:44.180 So she had sent me a screenshot of a collage of photos, two innocent Instagram photos, one

00:14:50.420 of her and one of me, and then two nude photos, one of her and one of me.

00:14:54.980 She made this collage just to prove that these images weren't real, and honestly, she was

00:15:00.060 scared, I was scared, and that whole morning, it was terrifying.

00:15:03.440 We didn't know what to do.

00:15:04.460 I was embarrassed to tell my parents.

00:15:07.100 It was really, really scary just trying to navigate.

00:15:10.820 Were you confused at the time?

00:15:11.640 Like, when you saw those pictures, you knew that they weren't your pictures, that you hadn't

00:15:15.320 posed nude for photos.

00:15:17.200 So, like, what was your first thought of, like, how in the heck did this happen?

00:15:22.120 I was shocked.

00:15:23.240 I didn't believe they were, I didn't even believe this situation was happening to me.

00:15:26.040 Obviously, the photos weren't real, but I was like, no one could ever do this.

00:15:29.720 Why would anyone do this to me or to my friend?

00:15:32.620 And why is this happening to me?

00:15:34.380 And I didn't know what to say.

00:15:36.580 I didn't know how to respond back to her.

00:15:38.540 I didn't even know how to tell my mom.

00:15:39.800 I just, I remember trying to ignore it and, like, forget about it, but, like, right after

00:15:44.320 stepping out of my bedroom, I just, like, broke down.

00:15:46.720 Yeah.

00:15:46.940 I was so scared.

00:15:48.460 I was terrified.

00:15:49.220 And I didn't even know how to tell my parents because I didn't want them to think that these

00:15:52.740 photos were real.

00:15:53.640 I never wanted that pressure or that even thought about me out there.

00:15:58.000 So I was really terrified.

00:15:59.800 And, but thankfully, um, the photo was an Instagram, Instagram photo.

00:16:04.020 So everyone that has followed my Instagram knows the original picture.

00:16:07.220 And obviously my mom keeps up with all my social media.

00:16:09.880 So she recognizes the original photo and she was like, I know this isn't real, but she immediately

00:16:15.020 was at my school by 10 a.m.

00:16:17.640 And she was with the administrator and with the police officer and my principal, um, just

00:16:23.280 trying to get my story out or write down what happened, try to figure out what was going

00:16:28.060 on.

00:16:28.420 So at that point, did you know that the photo had been shared on Snapchat and shared to other

00:16:35.200 people?

00:16:35.680 Or did you just think that you and your friends or you and your one friend were the only people

00:16:41.460 that had really seen it in addition to the person who made the pictures?

00:16:44.580 Well, she sent me that and then said, this is going around.

00:16:49.000 People are sending this to me, but don't worry.

00:16:51.420 I made this so people know it's fake.

00:16:53.180 And I was, I was like, who had seen this?

00:16:55.360 Why has no one texted me about this?

00:16:57.120 I did get an Instagram DM from a girl that I'm not friends with.

00:16:59.900 I don't really talk to at all.

00:17:01.480 I have one class with her, but we're not close.

00:17:03.280 And she was like, Hey, I have to tell you something.

00:17:05.500 And I responded.

00:17:06.540 And it was the same situation telling me that these photos were going around.

00:17:09.560 And if this girl that I don't know is talking to me about this, I was like, everyone

00:17:13.320 must have seen this.

00:17:14.580 I had to go to volleyball practice that morning and none of my classmates knew about what was

00:17:19.400 going on, but they could tell that I was, I was extremely upset and extremely disturbed.

00:17:23.960 I was, my performance was off.

00:17:25.740 I couldn't focus.

00:17:26.940 I wasn't my normal bubbly self.

00:17:28.880 I mean, I was so terrified.

00:17:30.020 I was anxious.

00:17:31.540 And I went to my second period because my first period was volleyball and I couldn't even focus.

00:17:37.520 Thankfully, I was able to leave that class early because I got called down to go and tell what

00:17:42.640 happened to the police officer.

00:17:44.380 But as I was walking, another one of my good friends stopped me and was, and said, I'm so

00:17:49.660 sorry this happened to you.

00:17:50.680 And in that moment, I realized everyone has seen these.

00:17:55.880 I've gotten three people in the span of two hours talking to me about this.

00:17:59.400 And I was like, my entire high school had seen these.

00:18:02.580 And I didn't even know what to do.

00:18:04.500 I felt like everyone was looking at me.

00:18:06.680 Just the mental block and the mental aspect of this.

00:18:10.640 I was, I was terrified.

00:18:12.420 Everyone, this was my innocence.

00:18:14.140 This is a nude photo of me.

00:18:15.700 And I was a freshman.

00:18:16.860 I was 14 years old and everyone had seen this of me.

00:18:19.880 And I was, I was terrified.

00:18:21.820 And Anna, what was your response?

00:18:23.260 Because you said that you didn't want to tell your parents, but then you felt very quickly

00:18:26.700 that you had to.

00:18:28.400 She came to you at home.

00:18:30.540 She was trying to explain this to you.

00:18:32.100 I mean, what was your first reaction?

00:18:35.280 Disbelief, I would say.

00:18:36.740 So she walks in bawling. 0.98

00:18:39.040 And I'm like, what in the world?

00:18:41.440 What's wrong?

00:18:42.120 It's Monday morning and we're ready to start the week, you know?

00:18:45.060 And so it was, and she showed it to me.

00:18:47.540 And in that moment, again, I was like, this can't be real.

00:18:51.120 Like, what in the, you know, what is this?

00:18:52.980 You know, and I'm at that point looking at her picture and then the nude picture. 0.95

00:18:57.520 And I'm going, this is child pornography.

00:19:00.200 I mean, and what is happening here?

00:19:02.740 You know, her high school's over 2,400 students.

00:19:05.520 So I'm like, so this is going around?

00:19:07.740 I mean, like just the, the magnitude of that.

00:19:10.940 And then in that moment realizing, okay, somebody decided her fate and I can't, I can't help

00:19:17.340 her in that moment.

00:19:18.480 So my husband and I are just like, I mean, literally sitting there going, what do we do

00:19:23.280 now?

00:19:24.160 We don't know who did this, what, you know?

00:19:26.840 So of course I went into mama bear mode, you know, and I'm like, okay, you go to volleyball,

00:19:30.620 I'm going to the office, you know?

00:19:31.880 And so met the other parents up there at the time because we're just like, we, we didn't

00:19:37.300 know how to navigate that.

00:19:38.720 You know, that's something.

00:19:39.680 So you called the parent of the other girl who had sent the photo to her and y'all decided

00:19:44.000 to go to school administration right away?

00:19:45.920 Yes.

00:19:46.300 Yes.

00:19:46.580 Okay.

00:19:47.020 The accounts that it came from had our school in it.

00:19:51.080 So it had a Lido in it.

00:19:52.520 So we assumed that it was another student.

00:19:55.520 Okay.

00:19:56.080 So the account that edited the photos.

00:19:59.860 Yes.

00:20:00.080 And it was sending it out.

00:20:01.540 Oh, so y'all did know at that point, the account that was sending it out.

00:20:05.240 You just didn't know who was associated with the account.

00:20:08.280 Right.

00:20:08.380 So that's why you went to the school right away.

00:20:10.280 And how did the school handle this initially?

00:20:13.140 They just kind of looked at us like we were crazy.

00:20:15.720 Really?

00:20:16.340 What?

00:20:17.020 Well, what do we do?

00:20:18.780 I mean, it's, it's, it's AI, you know?

00:20:21.640 So is it real?

00:20:23.080 Well, if you look at it, it is real.

00:20:25.380 It looks real.

00:20:26.140 Oh, completely.

00:20:26.960 Yeah.

00:20:27.080 I mean, in every way possible.

00:20:29.460 So the app that this kid used, he didn't just take her face and put it on some kind

00:20:34.220 of a nude person.

00:20:36.360 He actually stripped their clothes off.

00:20:39.420 So it's their bodies.

00:20:40.900 It's their face.

00:20:42.180 And so we're sitting there trying to tell them this is a big deal.

00:20:45.920 This is going out to everybody.

00:20:47.880 You know, and at the time he had not done it on school property.

00:20:51.760 So they were like, well, I'm not really sure we can do anything.

00:20:54.840 We don't know what to do.

00:20:55.800 We don't know who he is.

00:20:56.740 So we're not sure what to do.

00:20:59.120 So we called in the police at that point.

00:21:01.400 Yes.

00:21:01.700 And we're like, okay.

00:21:02.740 And they still didn't know what to do with it either because nobody knew how to find him.

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00:22:31.620 Okay, so tell me what happened next.

00:22:39.600 So, this happened on a Monday morning.

00:22:43.000 So, that whole week, it was terrible.

00:22:45.600 After we went and I gave my statement to the police, I went home.

00:22:50.540 Didn't even want to be at school.

00:22:52.480 I didn't know how to do work.

00:22:53.640 I couldn't even focus on the one class I went to.

00:22:55.900 So, I went home immediately.

00:22:58.080 I didn't go to school that next Tuesday, either.

00:23:00.740 I called my best friend over.

00:23:02.200 I was like, please, just be with me.

00:23:03.540 Like, I don't even know what to do.

00:23:05.880 And that Tuesday morning, we woke up and more girls. 0.87

00:23:13.140 So, it was now up to eight girls, eight more nude photos from Instagram, all of my friend group.

00:23:20.780 And I remember thinking, do I have a curse?

00:23:22.780 I was like, is this happening to her because she was with me?

00:23:26.300 I was shocked and she was scared.

00:23:28.720 I was scared and I didn't even know what to do.

00:23:31.380 And the account that was sending these photos was texting people from my school awful things.

00:23:39.560 Saying, targeting like one of the girls and saying, oh, she's evil or saying all these mean things about her. 0.97

00:23:45.680 And then kind of bullying us and tormenting us and just overall wanting to ruin us.

00:23:51.920 And he was sending these out to our entire school.

00:23:54.940 So, he was adding everyone.

00:23:57.220 And how Snapchat works is you have to accept it.

00:23:59.760 So, right when someone would accept this, he would just send them like spam.

00:24:04.280 And it was terrible.

00:24:05.800 No one knew what to do.

00:24:06.920 People I wasn't friends with were receiving these photos.

00:24:09.000 I didn't even know who had all seen them.

00:24:10.620 So, it was really scary.

00:24:12.780 And I remember that Tuesday, I had to go to school or I had to go for at least my volleyball because I had a volleyball game.

00:24:18.620 So, a lot of the school I attended was mandatory for me to play, to get playing time, to be like a good teammate.

00:24:26.300 I had to show up for them.

00:24:27.960 And it was, I was so scared.

00:24:29.740 I was terrified.

00:24:30.580 I didn't know what to do.

00:24:31.440 And that Wednesday, we had PCT testing.

00:24:36.200 So, it almost seemed perfect.

00:24:37.820 He had said he wanted to go out with a bang, making threats to us about.

00:24:42.320 This guy had said this via Snapchat.

00:24:44.700 This is like the message that he was sending people.

00:24:47.140 I'm going to go out with a bang.

00:24:48.380 And y'all didn't know what that meant.

00:24:49.340 It's a threat.

00:24:49.800 No.

00:24:49.960 It's a threat.

00:24:50.620 No.

00:24:50.880 And he, so people were starting to ask him like, why are you doing this?

00:24:54.600 You need to stop.

00:24:55.520 You know, why are you hurting the girls in this way?

00:24:57.680 And that's when he was responding to, I want to ruin the girls.

00:25:00.180 I want to go out with a bang.

00:25:01.860 So, then, you know, in today's world, I'm calling the school going, this could be a

00:25:05.960 threat to the entire population of our school.

00:25:08.220 Yes.

00:25:08.500 You need to do something about this.

00:25:10.240 And did the police know about that threat, too?

00:25:12.160 Yes.

00:25:12.740 That is.

00:25:13.440 Okay.

00:25:13.900 But they're still like, we don't know what to do.

00:25:15.400 They're like, it's fine.

00:25:16.600 It's okay.

00:25:17.380 We'll put an extra cop up there. 0.99

00:25:19.240 Yeah.

00:25:19.420 I mean, they didn't, they just really didn't seem to take it serious at any level.

00:25:23.360 And I'm like, okay, we've got the situation with the girls and the nudes.

00:25:26.200 And then now we've got a threat that he wants to go out with a bang, which he could come to

00:25:30.440 school with a gun, with a bomb.

00:25:32.560 Yeah.

00:25:32.900 Who knows?

00:25:33.220 Who knows?

00:25:33.520 Who knows what he could do?

00:25:34.700 So, the whole situation was so mind-numbing to me and all the parents were like, is no

00:25:39.820 one listening?

00:25:40.740 No one's paying attention here.

00:25:42.280 There's a lot of levels here.

00:25:43.680 Oh, my goodness.

00:25:44.340 And that Tuesday morning when we were on the way to school and when we had first heard

00:25:49.280 that he had set and made that threat, we called the school and my mom was like, I'm not taking

00:25:53.400 my kids up there.

00:25:55.480 I'm not bringing her to school.

00:25:56.960 And they were like, no, she's fine.

00:25:58.460 She can come.

00:25:59.600 It's okay.

00:26:00.400 It's okay.

00:26:01.080 And I was calling all of my friends.

00:26:02.720 I was saying, you guys, this is real.

00:26:04.620 Don't come to school.

00:26:05.520 This is scary.

00:26:06.840 She was calling my friends' parents, parents that weren't even involved in this because

00:26:10.380 this was a serious matter and there's school shootings and bombings and everything like

00:26:13.940 that.

00:26:14.520 I go to a public high school.

00:26:16.160 So, anything could happen.

00:26:18.900 So, I didn't go that Tuesday and that Wednesday was PSAT testing.

00:26:22.080 So, everyone's going to be in, is going to be guaranteed to be in the school.

00:26:26.120 We're going to be without our phones because we're all testing in the morning.

00:26:29.080 The whole school is testing.

00:26:30.320 So, I was like, this is perfect timing.

00:26:32.380 If he was going to do something, this is when to do it.

00:26:35.680 He has us all like isolated from everybody.

00:26:39.420 This is perfect.

00:26:40.800 So, obviously, us and all the girls were freaking out and the one thing that I will

00:26:45.620 give my credit, I will give my school credit is they allowed us to be in a separate room.

00:26:50.480 So, we were able, all eight of the girls, we were in a separate room taking our tests

00:26:56.000 where it was just us and another teacher.

00:26:58.900 So, you did go to school.

00:26:59.980 She did go to school that day.

00:27:01.320 I had to.

00:27:02.400 Yeah.

00:27:02.600 For this testing.

00:27:04.380 And the school let us all be in a room.

00:27:06.300 So, that was, I give them credit.

00:27:08.000 But they really, they helped us on that part.

00:27:10.640 But other than that, it was.

00:27:12.140 Their mental anguish.

00:27:13.940 The girls.

00:27:14.740 That week was just horrible.

00:27:16.240 And so, I had to go to school on Thursday because of volleyball.

00:27:23.380 I had, I had a, I made a commitment to my team and I couldn't, I couldn't stop.

00:27:27.700 But that whole day, I was texting my mom, is there any way you can come and get me?

00:27:31.400 And she, she's an interior designer. 1.00

00:27:33.360 She's over at people's houses.

00:27:34.660 She's, there's no way she could.

00:27:36.020 And I remember being terrified.

00:27:37.320 And the whole day, I was down at my counselor's office.

00:27:41.180 There's one good counselor at my school and she's amazing.

00:27:43.760 But other than that, my school was no help.

00:27:47.540 But it wasn't until that Friday.

00:27:49.700 It was, again, second period.

00:27:52.160 And the school went into lockdown.

00:27:54.500 So, it wasn't like a drill.

00:27:57.020 There was, the lights were flashing.

00:27:58.800 The announcement was going off, this is not a drill.

00:28:01.600 A broadcasting system went on all over the TVs saying hide.

00:28:06.900 And it was a lockdown drill.

00:28:08.840 Which we still to this day don't really even know what happened.

00:28:11.700 Yeah.

00:28:11.980 It was insane though.

00:28:13.080 But it was like, okay, this week is like out of.

00:28:16.000 It was.

00:28:16.700 We couldn't even figure out.

00:28:18.120 The week was insane.

00:28:19.300 Yeah.

00:28:19.500 So, the one good thing that happened out of it was that while they were on lockdown,

00:28:24.320 this kid decided to go online to his account and on school Wi-Fi,

00:28:29.260 start posting pictures more of the girls.

00:28:33.100 So, at that point, IT was able to catch him.

00:28:36.040 And why did the school go on lockdown?

00:28:37.880 We still don't know.

00:28:38.960 You still don't know.

00:28:39.680 So, it wasn't connected necessarily to what he had already said.

00:28:43.840 No.

00:28:44.300 We kind of look at it, it was a divine.

00:28:46.600 Because if he hadn't done that, I don't know that we would have ever caught him.

00:28:49.840 And known who it was.

00:28:52.100 Okay.

00:28:52.380 So, I don't know exactly how the technology works.

00:28:55.080 I do know when you connect to Wi-Fi, you are making your identity vulnerable to everyone who,

00:29:01.160 you know, especially the person who owns that Wi-Fi.

00:29:04.820 So, can you explain exactly how that worked?

00:29:07.200 How did they find him?

00:29:08.620 So, I guess because my school's very, like, they don't want you to be on any social media or anything.

00:29:16.540 So, when you're on this Wi-Fi, it kind of, like, blocks certain things.

00:29:20.180 So, when you're on it, it can sense what apps you're on.

00:29:23.160 It can sense what you're doing.

00:29:24.820 It lets them know.

00:29:25.780 Yeah.

00:29:26.220 It lets them know.

00:29:26.860 So, he was on Snapchat and on this account and sending images, I guess, to scare us that this guy's active on a Snapchat account while we're in lockdown.

00:29:35.300 Oh, it must be him.

00:29:36.720 Or he had some sort of crazy thing in mind.

00:29:39.920 But it was truly a blessing in disguise that he did that.

00:29:42.940 He went on.

00:29:43.780 He was on the school Wi-Fi and sending these photos to people, posting them, things like that.

00:29:49.440 And because he was on that school Wi-Fi and he was on school property, he was on the school grounds, one of my school's police officers was able to track his IP address and take it back to the student that did it and catch him.

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00:31:23.260 Okay, so what do you know about this?

00:31:26.120 He's a 15-year-old boy who is doing this.

00:31:28.900 Do you know anything about, like, who he was?

00:31:33.080 Was he some troubled person?

00:31:34.880 Had he done this before?

00:31:36.380 Do you know the motivations behind it?

00:31:38.920 Well, I had a class with him.

00:31:40.760 Our last names are sort of similar.

00:31:43.020 So when we were sitting in class and, like, our seating arrangements were alphabetical, I was seated by him.

00:31:48.760 And he was a quiet kid.

00:31:52.480 And when this first happened and people started suspecting him, I immediately was like, no, he would not do that.

00:31:57.860 There's no way he'd do that.

00:31:59.740 He was just a nice kid.

00:32:01.200 He was quiet.

00:32:02.740 He wouldn't go out of his way to talk to you.

00:32:04.740 But I'm very bubbly and I love to talk.

00:32:07.980 So especially when I was sitting in class, in my math class, with him and this other kid, I'm always talking and I'm always engaging.

00:32:14.300 And he's very techie.

00:32:16.660 He likes taking photos.

00:32:18.700 He's very, like, techie, technology, everything like that.

00:32:22.200 And my brother sort of the same way.

00:32:23.800 So I kind of saw my brother in him because they both had that fascination for technology.

00:32:29.280 And I'd always had a kind of soft spot for him.

00:32:32.960 My brother, he didn't really do well in, like, my Alito school either.

00:32:37.640 So I very much wanted this kid to feel seen.

00:32:43.400 And I didn't want anyone to experience what my brother experienced.

00:32:46.540 So someone that I saw my brother in, I wanted to make sure that he would never go through anything like that.

00:32:53.440 We had a friendship.

00:32:55.220 We definitely wouldn't hang out out of school or anything.

00:32:58.140 But you were kind to him.

00:32:59.240 You wanted him to feel included and seen because you felt like your brother had kind of been excluded and pushed out.

00:33:06.180 So you had a lot of compassion for him.

00:33:09.320 And he had given me a Bible.

00:33:10.740 We have talked about stuff like that.

00:33:12.380 Really?

00:33:12.980 Yeah.

00:33:13.240 Like a gift.

00:33:14.180 I mean, it was so strange.

00:33:18.060 And a lot of the other girls, they'd also talked to him.

00:33:22.220 There was no bad blood or anything that had gone between him and any of the other girls.

00:33:29.360 Like, he'd bring them donuts.

00:33:30.360 Just, it was so bizarre why he did what he did.

00:33:34.940 But still, we haven't really heard anything.

00:33:38.460 We never got an apology.

00:33:41.060 He was suspended.

00:33:43.080 But his parents took him out of school.

00:33:45.060 So we still haven't really heard much about the whole situation.

00:33:48.900 So that's it.

00:33:49.460 There's nothing that law enforcement can do here.

00:33:51.800 Well, they did charge him with a Class A misdemeanor for harmful distribution of underage material.

00:34:01.900 Yeah.

00:34:02.560 But it, I mean, he got probation.

00:34:05.840 And then it'll fall off his record when he's 18.

00:34:08.300 Gosh, it just feels like the punishment should be a lot heftier than that.

00:34:12.080 And the sheriff's department that actually pressed the charges, they were like, we just don't have any laws.

00:34:17.320 We don't know how to, we don't know what to do with them.

00:34:20.420 So they kind of did the only thing they thought they could do.

00:34:23.420 And so, because there's no laws and he's a minor, that was the issue.

00:34:27.100 Him being a minor kind of protects him.

00:34:29.960 And it was the same way with the school.

00:34:31.260 When they knew on that Friday who he was, they're like, we've caught him.

00:34:34.780 Oh, okay.

00:34:35.360 Well, who is he?

00:34:36.400 Oh, well, we can't tell you.

00:34:37.760 Because he's a minor.

00:34:38.240 Yeah, because he's a minor.

00:34:38.980 So we've got it.

00:34:41.080 We've got it.

00:34:42.080 Wow.

00:34:42.600 So did you talk to his parents?

00:34:44.860 No, no, I never.

00:34:46.340 They kind of lawyered up once that happened.

00:34:48.900 And so there was no communication between us.

00:34:52.340 I mean, she did some social media posts about, I'm worried he's going to be bullied now.

00:34:56.980 And I'm worried for my other kids.

00:34:58.520 Oh, really?

00:34:59.120 So it was never a, oh, you know what?

00:35:01.820 My son did a bad thing.

00:35:03.700 We need to apologize to the girls. 0.99

00:35:05.880 I'm going to hide him.

00:35:07.260 And, you know, we're just going to pretend like it didn't happen.

00:35:10.280 My goodness.

00:35:10.380 It would take every bit of self-control in me, every bit of the Holy Spirit, not to

00:35:16.260 be banging down their door.

00:35:18.620 Oh, my goodness.

00:35:21.160 Oh, yes.

00:35:21.580 We've had so many conversations.

00:35:23.340 About what we'd like to do in this situation.

00:35:28.080 I mean, I'm sure.

00:35:29.640 My goodness.

00:35:30.260 Okay.

00:35:30.420 So you said that there's no real laws on the books.

00:35:33.220 And I'm guessing that's why you were a part of this Take It Down Act that is going through

00:35:40.600 Congress or that went through Congress.

00:35:42.720 Correct.

00:35:43.000 So this is, it was introduced by Ted Cruz on June 18th, 2024.

00:35:48.880 Passed this in it unanimously, 2024.

00:35:53.280 And then you guys were a part of a roundtable on this on March 3rd with Melania Trump, right?

00:35:59.300 So can you tell us how that all happened?

00:36:02.160 Well, when this first happened, we didn't know what to do.

00:36:05.500 No one would listen.

00:36:06.160 So my mom, she's a squeaky whale. 1.00

00:36:08.780 So she was texting and she was emailing everybody.

00:36:12.280 Anyone that had an inbox, she was emailing and telling our story.

00:36:16.460 And she did all of our state representatives.

00:36:18.500 And she did an inbox to our Senator Ted Cruz.

00:36:21.220 And his team got back to my mom and they emailed back and was like, this is a serious matter.

00:36:27.700 Like, let's get together.

00:36:28.720 Let's talk about this.

00:36:29.880 And in the beginning of June, he flew my mom and my brother up to Washington, D.C.

00:36:34.480 And they were able to write up the Take It Down Act.

00:36:38.660 He realized that my photos were up on social media for nine months.

00:36:43.480 So this happened in October.

00:36:44.760 So my photos were up from October until June when he was able to get in touch with Snapchat

00:36:49.940 and took the account that linked all of the photos of me and all of my friends.

00:36:54.420 He were able to get them all down, which was, it was so refreshing.

00:36:57.580 I mean, anyone could have seen these and it was creating a weight on my shoulders.

00:37:01.960 But he was able to take those down.

00:37:03.840 But it wasn't with the help of, it was with the help of a political member.

00:37:07.200 But we were trying to get in touch with Snapchat for months trying to get these images down.

00:37:11.320 But nothing happened.

00:37:13.120 But he has kids.

00:37:15.280 He has two daughters right in between, right under me and right above me, like age-wise.

00:37:19.300 So he couldn't even, he has a heart for this subject.

00:37:22.940 So we were able to get in contact with him and then write up the Take It Down Act.

00:37:26.540 And then later in June, we were able to go back up there and get to talk with him.

00:37:30.620 And we were able to promote this bill as much as possible in order for it to be, for it to be passed.

00:37:37.500 Yeah.

00:37:38.080 So it was really important for him to bring on Democratic support as well so that it was a bipartisan bill.

00:37:45.380 So it was super, super important that it be bipartisan.

00:37:50.640 Yeah.

00:37:51.020 So, and it's about the kids.

00:37:52.520 It's not political.

00:37:53.100 No, it's not political at all.

00:37:54.460 It's really about protecting our children.

00:37:56.440 And that, for me, I felt like I didn't have a voice and no one was listening.

00:38:02.840 So, and, you know, local police were like, if we had a law, we could do something about that.

00:38:08.360 We just don't have anything.

00:38:09.560 And AI is progressing so quickly that we can't, you know, we're just reactive to it.

00:38:14.720 We can't be proactive because it's increasing so much.

00:38:18.080 So we were very thankful that Cruz and then Amy Klobuchar, who is a Democrat, she came on board as well.

00:38:24.660 So that it really started just becoming this real bipartisan bill that we could try to pass.

00:38:30.300 So that would provide, you know, it would make it a felon.

00:38:33.840 So this kid, even being a minor, would have jail time attached to that and then hold big tech accountable as well.

00:38:41.120 So 48 hours, it has to be taken down.

00:38:43.880 So that was a big part of it.

00:38:45.400 So this makes it a federal crime.

00:38:47.140 It comes with prison time.

00:38:49.360 And that's good.

00:38:50.700 I still think that, like, the legislature, the state legislatures also, I know that this is a federal law and that's good.

00:38:57.660 But I would like to see even stricter regulations on the state level.

00:39:02.020 They're just, I mean, law is always behind the pace of technology.

00:39:08.200 And we really need legislatures to recognize that and to do what they can to be ahead of it.

00:39:15.400 Because this is serious.

00:39:16.580 This is not just reputational damage.

00:39:18.940 I mean, this could risk your ability to earn a livelihood in the future.

00:39:24.580 Not yours, hopefully, but just in general for victims of this.

00:39:28.900 And I thank God that you had your parents, the squeaky wheel of your mom.

00:39:34.400 But think about all of the young people that have no communities or who aren't believed and don't have people that will go to bat for them.

00:39:42.560 That's where we have to have the law step in and say, OK, even if you don't have other grownups protecting you, the law is going to protect you.

00:39:49.720 Yeah, absolutely.

00:39:51.060 It's just scary.

00:39:51.720 And that was kind of like my motivation behind all this.

00:39:55.780 I'm really big in my small group in my church.

00:39:59.120 And when this first happened, I immediately went to my small group leaders.

00:40:04.060 One of the girls that was involved, her mom is another small group leader.

00:40:07.960 So she was really good about all this.

00:40:11.760 And none of the girls wanted to say anything.

00:40:15.160 And I didn't even want to say anything.

00:40:16.780 We were told that we shouldn't tell people we should just push it, put it under the rug.

00:40:21.280 Alito, my school, they just want to put it under the rug.

00:40:24.140 Just they didn't want to ruin my school's reputation.

00:40:26.740 But it got to a point where it felt like this whole situation was gone and that we were just victims of this, that we had to deal with the we had to deal with the fate that he decided for us.

00:40:38.100 And something about that just did not sit right with me.

00:40:41.720 So when my mom started getting in contact with all these people, it made me realize that God has given me an opportunity to talk about what happened and to use my voice.

00:40:54.980 And I've always been taught to be firm in my opinions and to use my voice.

00:41:01.080 And thankfully, I grew up in a household that really taught me that what I feel and how I feel matters and that to fight for what's right.

00:41:11.220 So when all these opportunities started appearing, I just knew that it was the Lord putting this in front of me.

00:41:19.040 And growing up, I always knew that I wanted to help people, like be a therapist.

00:41:23.740 But ever since this, it's really shown me that my future could be as an advocate for the people that don't get the ability to use their voice.

00:41:32.240 And to be someone that people can look up to for hope and for justice.

00:41:39.420 And that's really what's been helping me and motivating me.

00:41:43.160 Yeah.

00:41:43.520 Well, you must be so proud.

00:41:45.000 I'm proud because that takes a lot of courage.

00:41:47.820 I think most people, understandably, I don't think anyone would blame you if your choice was,

00:41:53.340 I don't want to ever talk about this again.

00:41:55.340 I'm just going to move on.

00:41:56.660 I don't want to generate interest in this.

00:41:58.760 But you decided that, OK, what Satan meant for evil, God is going to use for good.

00:42:04.920 And I just have to follow in obedience.

00:42:08.280 And, you know, God says, vengeance is mine.

00:42:10.940 I will repay.

00:42:12.000 And one day, like he is going to take care of all injustice.

00:42:15.760 But until then, he uses situations like this, like yours, to, as you said, advocate for justice for the people who come after you.

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00:43:03.340 Thank you guys.

00:43:33.340 And I just really hope and pray that God uses us to change things for the better.

00:43:39.520 Yes, that's what we're hoping for, for sure.

00:43:41.580 Yes, absolutely.

00:43:42.760 And I can't change his, I can't change what happened to him.

00:43:46.820 I mean, although it would be amazing that he got a little bit more punishment, I've accepted what happened.

00:43:53.420 And if I can't change what happened to him and I can't change my, my situation, then I can change others.

00:44:00.980 And my, the Bible verse that I've been like going off of is Romans 8, 28, which is God works for the good of those who love him and have been called according to his purpose.

00:44:09.040 And that's really stuck out to me between this whole thing.

00:44:11.640 And it's really, it's really taught me that this bad situation that I've been in has completely, has completely changed.

00:44:19.860 And he's really shown me that he can, he works in crazy ways.

00:44:23.820 Being able to go to the State of the Union and being able to talk to senators and representatives is really, it's just such an amazing opportunity.

00:44:33.260 And I've never would have thought that this situation could turn into something so big.

00:44:37.400 And it's really, it's really just been amazing.

00:44:40.740 And the moment that I, that I have been recognizing all of this is when we were able to go up in June.

00:44:46.640 And I remember being so nervous to go and we were on, I think, Good Morning America.

00:44:52.960 And that was what really hit me.

00:44:54.340 I was like, oh, I'm going to be sharing my story in front of the whole country.

00:44:57.320 This is a, a national news and I have to, I have to do this.

00:45:02.840 And I didn't want to, I mean, right before I went on, I was like,

00:45:05.440 I'm going to be admitting to this is I'm going to be a victim.

00:45:08.580 I'm going to be weak and vulnerable.

00:45:09.800 But then I realized God doesn't call the equipped.

00:45:13.360 He equips the called.

00:45:14.820 And that's just really what pushed me because I'm just, at the time I was 14 or no, I was 15.

00:45:21.260 I was 15 years old when I started talking about this and 14 when it happened, 14 when it happened.

00:45:25.460 But I'm 15 when I started talking and I realized that there are people out there that don't have anything.

00:45:32.240 I mean, there was a representative in South Carolina, Brandon Guffey.

00:45:35.320 His son went through something similar and he lost his son to suicide.

00:45:38.860 Yeah.

00:45:39.080 And I talked to him actually on the show.

00:45:41.400 Yes.

00:45:41.680 It was terrible, terrible, terrible story.

00:45:44.800 Although I'm fortunate to have such a great community and such a great family and such a great friends, people out there have nothing.

00:45:51.960 They have no one and they are just forced to live with this.

00:45:55.040 I mean, this is happening to people who don't have the ability to speak up and it's really been put on my heart that I am going to do this in order to not only help others, but to show others that this is only possible through God.

00:46:07.540 Yes.

00:46:08.220 If there was one message that you, Anna, would want to send to parents watching this, what would it be?

00:46:15.460 It would be to have open dialogue.

00:46:17.260 So I feel like we're blessed in that we've always been able to kind of talk to each other, but this subject needs to be broached with kids.

00:46:27.580 So a lot of times we get contacted now probably weekly when this is happening to somebody else, somebody else, and parents not knowing what to do and going, this is really a thing?

00:46:38.480 You know, like people don't even understand what is happening in regards to AI and bullying and the whole fake, deep fakes.

00:46:47.460 So it's like, let's have this talk.

00:46:50.160 Let's go ahead and have it so that kids don't feel like they're isolated when it happens.

00:46:54.480 What happened to Gavin?

00:46:56.200 You know, he didn't know what to do.

00:46:58.220 He didn't know where to go.

00:46:59.220 He felt threatened and he was afraid for his family.

00:47:01.260 And so it's kind of like you've got to start having these conversations previous to anything happen, being proactive instead of reactive.

00:47:09.200 And so it's just like have these conversations.

00:47:11.360 And then we've got to we've got our next part of this is getting it out there to our schools.

00:47:15.820 So we've got to be able to have training for teachers, for administration, for school boards who don't know what to do with it.

00:47:23.660 And, you know, and then and then for our, you know, our local police and sheriffs, I mean, they if they don't know what's going on either or don't know about hopefully the take it down bill when it passes into law, they're not going to know to prosecute.

00:47:35.800 So it's like we we have to get the word out there that there is something and, you know, and and have that open, open dialogue with people.

00:47:44.220 Put the protocols in place and let everyone know there's a zero tolerance policy.

00:47:49.720 We will turn you over to law enforcement and you will be in trouble.

00:47:53.460 And take it seriously from the get go, even preemptively, as you said, and parents having these proactive conversations, because as you mentioned, it's not it's not just like guys being the perpetrators and girls being the victims.

00:48:07.920 Yes, that very often happens.

00:48:09.880 But as you just mentioned, that one situation, it was actually a guy, a teenage guy.

00:48:14.520 And I've heard multiple of these stories who was the victim of someone sending an A.I.

00:48:20.820 or photoshopped picture of them looks like they're doing something sexual.

00:48:24.580 They don't know what to do. 0.90

00:48:25.780 They commit suicide.

00:48:27.560 And so for parents, like the open dialogue, both if you think your child could be susceptible to doing that and if you think your child could be susceptible to being a victim.

00:48:38.040 Like, also, I just want to remind parents that and I'm, you know, I'm not a parent of teens.

00:48:44.560 My kids are small, so you can back me up.

00:48:47.440 I'm sure you agree.

00:48:48.520 But like, parents, you are still the parent and you are allowed to take your child's phone.

00:48:53.860 Like, if you think it's a possibility that your child is looking at porn or doing something like this, it doesn't matter if your child is 17.

00:49:00.780 You can take your child's phone as long as they are in your home.

00:49:04.420 And I don't think it's too late to put parameters and rules around social media use because it is a tool that even, you know, even we adults don't always handle correctly.

00:49:16.180 Right.

00:49:16.440 Exactly.

00:49:17.180 Yeah.

00:49:17.680 Well, I just appreciate you all so much.

00:49:19.500 I appreciate you all so much and your willingness to share your story and to come on today.

00:49:24.160 And I know that everyone watching will be praying for y'all and just praying for y'all's protection and for God to continue to use your story.

00:49:33.060 So thank you so much.

00:49:34.140 Thank you.

00:49:34.660 Thank you so much.

00:49:35.520 We're hoping that in the next two weeks it'll be presented on the house floor and go through.

00:49:39.840 Okay.

00:49:40.640 Well, I hope so.

00:49:41.460 Prayers for that would be huge.

00:49:42.580 Absolutely.

00:49:43.460 Yeah.

00:49:43.840 Thank you so much.

00:49:44.460 Thank you.

00:49:44.820 Thank you.

00:49:49.500 Thank you.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - May 22, 2025

Ep 1194 ｜ Parents of Teens： Beware of AI-Generated Blackmail ｜ Guest： Elliston Berry

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