Ep 1195 ｜ Phil Robertson’s Legacy, Demi Lovato Goes Normal & Hawaii Thoughts
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What happened to Demi Lovato? We are taking a look at her trajectory and how things seem to be pointing in a really good direction. We also hear some positive motherhood comments from two pretty progressive actresses. Are we seeing a shift when it comes to marriage and motherhood? Also, we will be honoring Phil Robertson, who died on Sunday, and remembering his legacy of evangelism.
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What happened to Demi Lovato? We are taking a look at her trajectory and how things actually
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seem to be pointing in a really good direction and what that tells us about the evolution that
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our culture is going through. We also hear some positive motherhood comments from two
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pretty progressive actresses. Are we seeing a shift when it comes to marriage and motherhood?
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Also, we will be honoring Phil Robertson, who died on Sunday, and remembering his legacy of
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evangelism. And to start the show, I've got some thoughts about my husband's and my trip to Hawaii.
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Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Tuesday. Hope everyone is having a wonderful week so far.
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I hope that you were able to have a good long weekend. We have a long weekend because we are
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honoring those who have paid their lives, who have sacrificed to the utmost so we could have
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freedom and security. And so thank you seems inadequate when it comes to that kind of sacrifice,
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and we can simply try to honor them with how we live our lives and not take that freedom and
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security for granted. And so I hope that you were able to take some time yesterday to reflect on
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that and honor those who have given their lives for our country. That reminded me, you know, some
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people were mad yesterday about Trump because he posted on Truth Social, happy Memorial Day. And we
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don't say happy Memorial Day typically because it's not a happy day. You are reflecting on those who have
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died for our country. But some of the same people who were calling him out for that, who were saying,
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oh my goodness, he shouldn't have said, happy Memorial Day. Bree, do you remember last year
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Kamala Harris's post? Wasn't it a picture of her? It was a picture of her. We'll pull it up if we can
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find it. It was literally just a picture of her looking off to the side and it said, enjoy the long
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weekend. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. So at least President Trump acknowledged that it was Memorial Day
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and didn't, as far as I know, post a picture of his own self, a selfie of himself. Which he would do.
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So I don't know that he would. I don't think that he would. I think that he would have. Not for Memorial
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Day. Not for Memorial Day. Yes. In general, he might do an AI depiction of himself fighting in World
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War II for all we know. But yesterday he did not choose to do that versus Kamala Harris who posted a
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picture of her profile and said, enjoy the long weekend. So once again, every day is celebrate
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November 2024 day where we thank the Lord that we do not have Kamala Harris as president. All right.
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So CR and I, you might've seen on Instagram last week, we were in Hawaii celebrating our 10th year
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of marriage and it's not our 10 year anniversary yet. It's not until September, but this was the
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time of year that we were able to go. Chief Related Bro surprised me with this trip for Christmas.
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There was like a lay in my stocking. And so we have been counting down the days to this trip
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since Christmas. We've been so excited about it. It was just us two. We had the most wonderful time.
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It was relaxing, but we really missed our babies and we were so excited to get back, but it was
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wonderful quality time. And I've got some thoughts about Hawaii and about some of the things that we
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saw there. And I've got some political thoughts and some theological thoughts about it. And I'll
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share those in just a second. But before we get into all of those different things, I just want to
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remind you about Share the Arrows 2025 brought to you by our friends at Every Life. It is going to
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be here before we know it, which kind of freaks me out because there's a lot to prepare for and plan
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for you guys. There are going to be so many thousands of you there and I want it to be the
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best conference, the best event that you have ever been to. And hopefully by the grace of God,
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it will be. What I know for sure is because of the grace of God, because of the wisdom of the speakers
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that are going to be there. It is going to be an incredibly powerful and edifying day for everyone.
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Worship will be led by Grammy Award winning artist Francesca Battistelli. I will be speaking. We've got
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apologist Elisa Childers. We've got Ginger Duggar Vuolo. We've got a motherhood panel with Abby
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Halberstadt. She is an author and a homeschooling mom of 10. We've got Hilary Morgan Ferrer, who will also
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be on that motherhood panel. She is the author of the very popular books, Mama Bear Apologetics.
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We've got a biblical health panel with Shauna Holman and Taylor Dukes. They've both been on this
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podcast. And then one of your favorites, Katie Faust, who is just incredible. She is going to be
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bringing the hard truths about putting children first, not just in our own personal worldview,
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but also in our lives and in our politics. Y'all, I don't know another hard hitting,
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deep theologically challenging, apologetically conference like this for women. I don't want
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you to miss out. Go to sharethearrows.com. It's October 11th, Dallas, Texas. We'll be putting
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kind of our rough schedule up this week. A lot of you have been asking me about that so you can plan
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your day, but it'll be doors open probably 8 a.m. It'll be done by 5 30 p.m. It's just a one day
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event. So important for everyone to be able to get back home to their families and be able to get to
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church the next day. So it's a one day event on Saturday. I want to meet you guys there. There
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are VIP options if you want to meet me and the speakers. So check all of that out at sharethearrows.com.
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That's sharethearrows.com. All right. Some thoughts that I had on our trip that I have a notes app full
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of all of my random thoughts. And so I wrote some notes. I'll try to make sense of my stream of
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consciousness as I tell them to you. Okay. Number one, when we were there, we were heartened by
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how many young couples brought their kids of all ages. And that is, depending on where you live
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in the mainland, like that is quite the flight. And we saw so many families bring their little
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babies, their toddlers, their older kids, which for us, it was just a just us trip. We travel with
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our kids all the time, but we were just so heartened by how many families decided to make that probably
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kind of difficult track to give their children that experience and enjoy those memories with their
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children. And something I thought about every time we saw parents, especially obviously new parents
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of young babies, or every time we saw parents wrangling their toddlers, we just felt so much
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compassion for them and so much understanding. And that is something very remarkable that happens when
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you become a parent. You see in other children, in every child that you see, you see a little bit of
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your own child. And your compassion for them and your care for them, like is very profound in that
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moment. Like when you hear a baby crying on the plane, rather than thinking, oh my gosh, I just need
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to put on my noise canceling headphones, or I'm so annoyed, I can't believe they would be traveling with
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their rambunctious child, you think, oh, I've been there, or oh, that poor baby. And you have the instinct
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and the inclination to go help those parents or to go help that child. And it made me think about
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another reason, in addition to the many others, it's so important for people to have kids and how
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important it is collectively for society to be made up of mostly parents. That's not to say people
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without children can't have compassion or can't be loving or understanding or kind or any of those
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things. And there are plenty of parents who lack all of those qualities. But as a whole, in general,
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one of the challenges or one of the detriments to the birth dearth, the fertility crisis that we are
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experiencing in America is that you have so many adults walking around that have no idea what it is
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like to care for a child, no idea what it is like to have that deep, profound, self-sacrificial love
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that you so deeply and instinctively feel for your children, and that you share to some degree with
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other children that you see. That really matters when it comes to the decisions that adults make
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that impact the rest of society. I think it's important for leaders of all stripes, whether they're
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leading a business or especially if you're leading politically and you are deciding on policy that
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is going to affect not only society right now, but future generations. It is really important
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for most adults, at least, to have a personal stake in the future, to really care what happens after you
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die, not just because of some altruistic inclination, but because you will have children that you love and
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grandchildren that you love taking part in that future. I think it's really important for decision
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makers in our society to be able to have that personal stake and to be able to have that kind
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of capacity for compassion for children and for future generations. And yeah, that's going to be
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a detriment that we see taking root and manifesting itself very soon. And I think we already see that
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in a lot of ways, but it is so important, not just on an individual and personal level, but again,
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I think societally and generally just as a whole for people to have children because of the character
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traits that it both initiates and accelerates in people. Okay, so that's one thought that I had.
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Another thought that I had is about the state of Hawaii, which is arguably the most beautiful state
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in our union. Now, I love California. There's a lot of things I don't love about California,
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but my husband and I love California. We think it's so beautiful, not just the beaches, but we love
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the mountains. We love the diversity of topography that you have in California. It's just a gorgeous
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state that is very mismanaged. And Hawaii is very similar in that you have a state that is so beautiful
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and is so incredibly because of progressive ideology and the one party system that pretty much
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dominates Hawaii. You have a very mismanaged, beautiful state. And if you go outside of the very
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touristy areas, if you go outside of the resorts, you see this mismanagement. You see that much of
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Hawaii is actually being neglected. Despite how beautiful it is, those who say that they care so
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much about the environment in places like Washington or Oregon or California or Colorado or Hawaii, some of
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these beautiful states, things are very dilapidated. Things are very dirty. These places actually
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aren't being cared for in a sense. And because of that, not only is nature itself suffering, but
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the people who are taking part in nature are suffering. And this made me think about part of
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the creation order that progressivism distorts and denies. We talk a lot about Genesis 127 and how
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progressivism, because of its hatred for God, it denies that people are made in the image of God from the
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moment of conception, which we read in Genesis 127, that we're made in God's image. So we get an
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answer about the value of human life. And we read in Genesis 127 that God made us in his image, male
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and female. We see the definition of gender, the definition of the value of life, and the definition
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of marriage right there in that one verse in the first chapter of the Bible. And progressivism denies
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all of that. But another part of the creation order, the creation mandate that progressivism denies
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is that we are to work the ground and to keep it. That was one of the first, the first order of
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business really, that was given to Adam when he was placed in a garden. This is pre-fall. He was to
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work the ground and to keep it. So work is not a product of sin. It is not a necessary evil. It is
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actually a necessary good that Adam was commanded to do before sin entered the world. And Adam and Eve
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were placed, as we've said many times, in a garden, not in a jungle. A garden is orderly and it needs
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cultivation. A jungle runs amok. And you see this distortion in progressive policy, specifically in
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environmental policy, that nature in the name of preservation is actually neglected. And human
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needs in the name of preserving nature are also neglected. We see this, for example, that California
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doesn't allow much needed irrigation of many crops in middle California to protect this tiny fish
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called the delta smelt, which is basically instinct anyway, by the way. And then we also see them,
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for example, they won't clear brush in many of the forests to try to preserve nature. And that just
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accelerates the fires, which end up hurting nature and again, also end up hurting the people in
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California. And we see very similar policies in the state of Hawaii. And that is because they distort or
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ignore this creation order that human beings are actually meant to subdue the earth, not the other
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way around. It is not that human beings are to submit to all of the forces of nature. We are meant to subdue
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the earth as a creation mandate because we are made in God's image. But if you fast forward to Romans 1
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and you see that when you worship the creature rather than the creator who is blessed forever,
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amen, you end up distorting everything. Everything ends up being backwards, not just when it comes to
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gender, not just when it comes to sexuality, not just when it comes to other forms of morality, as we
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see all in Romans 1. But also you start to elevate nature above the God who created it. And when you
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do that, everything just gets out of whack. You start allowing environmental policy to run the show
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to the detriment of the people who are actually supposed to be subduing and cultivating the earth
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and nature. And when you let what is supposed to be a garden turn into a jungle, then people suffer.
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And actually, nature suffers as well. And so that was another thought about the theological errors of
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progressivism, which then leads to really bad policy. Okay, last thought, most serious thought.
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There are butts everywhere. Okay? When you go to the beach, you cannot walk two feet without seeing
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someone's full butt out. Okay? Now, I am not, I promise, I am not like the modesty police. I do not
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think a woman's body is something to be shamed. I don't think that someone needs to cover
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themselves in a burqa. Okay? I don't think the shape of a woman's body is something that has to
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be hidden at all costs. And so I think to a degree, I've done an episode on this, you can go back and
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listen to all my specifications on it. To a degree, modesty is subjective. But I think we can draw the
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line at butts. Right? Like, I think we can just say, maybe you shouldn't wear a thong to the beach.
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I want to create, I want a shirt or a sweatshirt that says, I don't consent to seeing your butt.
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And I'm going to wear it to the gym. And I'm going to wear it to the beach. And I just, I wish that we
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as a society could just draw the line somewhere. But we've basically said no lines. All shame is bad.
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All rules are bad. All expectations of decency are bad. And stigmatizing and marginalizing. And
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therefore, we should just be rid of them. Stigma and shame are important to the preservation of any
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society. Okay? To a degree. And we can decide on what needs to be stigmatized and what needs to be
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shamed. If you don't have those two things, you actually end up living in a nanny tyrannical state.
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Because instead of people being guided by societal norms and stigma and shame, like their own personal
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structures for morality, you have to have the government come in and mandate everything.
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Actually, stigma and shame were hard fought by our ancestors. They stigmatized and shamed things that
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were bad for society and bad for you, like premarital sex that would then lead to babies
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outside of wedlock, which is really bad for women and children. They fought to stigmatize and shame
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those things for the betterment of future generations. And now we're basically saying none of those things
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matter. Throw caution to the wind. Again, to our detriment. Okay? So those are all of my thoughts.
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I saved them all for you. Collected them in my notes app to deliver them on Relatable. That's
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the benefit to having a podcast. All of your errant thoughts, you can just deliver them and hope that
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someone cares about them. All right. Let's get into more serious stuff that we are talking about today.
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a heads up. All right, I want to talk about Phil Robertson. Phil Robertson, gosh, just one of my
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favorite people in public life. He very sadly died at the age of 79 just yesterday. I got the text and
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I believe that he passed away yesterday morning. And I say it's very sad, but it's really not sad
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for Phil Robertson. If you know anything about him, the patriarch of the Duck Dynasty family,
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you know that he wanted nothing more than to know Jesus and to make Jesus known. And he lived the
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entirety of his Christian life after becoming a Christian as an adult, sharing the gospel with
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others. And he did that on my show. He did that in every episode of his podcast that he hosted with
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Jace and Al. He did that through the Duck Dynasty show. And so I just want to talk a little bit about
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his life and honor him and also hope that sharing this bit about his life inspires you to live like
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him and to share the gospel as earnestly and as urgently as he did. So he died after battling. So it
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was actually on Sunday. I think I said he died yesterday, but he died on Sunday after battling Alzheimer's
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disease, other health conditions. We did an episode just a few weeks ago with Jace and Al,
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two of his sons who really just talked about his legacy, also talked about his diagnoses. I really
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encourage you to go back and to listen to or watch that episode. Jace and Al are just incredible.
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They're so easy to listen to. I just got to sit back and listen to them talk about their dad that
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they love so much. It was really, really encouraging. Go back, watch that episode. His daughter-in-law,
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Corey Robertson, that's Willie's wife, announced his death on Instagram, said,
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we celebrate today that our father, husband, and grandfather, Phil Robertson, is now with the Lord.
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He reminded us often of the words of Paul, you do not grieve like those who have no hope,
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for we believe that Jesus died and rose again. And so we believe that God will bring with Jesus
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those who have fallen asleep in him. In fact, I saw that Sadie Robertson, his granddaughter,
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Sadie Robertson Hough, posted a video of him saying this, paraphrasing, saying, when I die,
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don't cry. And I'm sure that there will be lots of tears for his earthly passing from his family,
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because of course, you miss him. You miss his presence. You miss his wisdom. This is someone that
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you've known, obviously, his kids their whole lives. But as grandkids, you miss that presence
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in your life. I still think about my grandmother who died over five years ago now. It'll be six
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years ago this fall. I think about her almost every day. When I was traveling to Hawaii, I thought about
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how much she loved to travel and what she would think about all of our adventures. And so you don't
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stop thinking about them. You don't stop missing their presence, even though you know that they
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are so much more satisfied than we could ever comprehend here on earth. And so be praying for
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his family as they are going through this mourning process. But the point is, is that as Christians,
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we don't mourn as those who don't have hope. We don't mourn as those who believe that their loved
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ones are lost forever. At the same time, we also don't believe, as many in the world do,
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that our loved ones become angels or that heaven gained another angel. No, we don't believe that.
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In fact, the Bible says that angels long to see what we get to see. They don't even know all of the
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things that we know. They know different things than we do. And there's a special plan for human
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beings, and that is redemption through Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ alone. And Phil Robertson
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was such an example of that redemption that people can give or that people can receive from Jesus.
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He founded the Duck Commander Hunting Company in 1972. That, of course, became the foundation for
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the family's television fame. I don't know if you guys grew up watching Duck Dynasty. I loved Duck
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Dynasty because it was a reality TV show that was actually wholesome. All of the other reality TV
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shows that you would watch on E! were all about, you know, sex, scandal, getting drunk, gossip,
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all different kinds of stupid drama. And this was different because this was a family who was
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praying at the end of every episode. And they were funny, and it was lighthearted. And so it gave
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you that that most people are looking for when they're watching reality TV. But there was something
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really profound there. There were true familial ties. They actually loved each other. You saw marriages
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that were strong, most marriages that are depicted on TV, especially reality TV. The wife is making the
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husband look stupid. And you've got a bunch of weak, cowardly husbands and dads or absent dads. You didn't
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see that here. And they were unashamed of their faith. He got in some hot water, Phil Robertson did, in
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December 2013. There was a national firestorm after he made comments condemning homosexuality. There was
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a GQ magazine interview. Also, if you know anything about Phil Robertson, he never, from at least last
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time I talked to him, had never logged on to the internet, ever. I'm not just talking about social
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media. He had never logged on to the internet. And so when he did this interview with GQ, and then he
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got all of this backlash, I'm sure he had no idea really, like, what people were saying or how it was
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circulating online, or at least he didn't know from reading it himself. So he said in the interview, he
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said this, discussing his biblical view on the progression of sexual sin. He said, you start with
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homosexual behavior and it just morphs out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that
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woman and that woman and those men. Phil explained that he didn't understand why a woman wouldn't be
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more desirable to a man than another man. He said, she's got more to offer. I mean, come on, dudes, you know
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what I'm saying? But hey, sin, it's not logical, my man. It's just not logical. It's just such Phil
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Robertson language. And obviously, he's exactly right. So he said this in the interview, GQ printed it, people
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got upset, the network, and he suspended Phil Robertson indefinitely on December 18, 2013, stating that his
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remarks didn't reflect company values. They said, we are extremely disappointed to have read Phil
00:27:36.000
Robertson's comments in GQ, which are based on his own personal beliefs and are not reflected in the
00:27:40.400
series Duck Dynasty. His personal views in no way reflect those of A&E networks who have always been
00:27:46.200
strong supporters and champions of the LGBT community. My goodness, that was 12 years ago and that
00:27:52.580
silliness was already happening. The entire Robertson family stood behind Phil issuing a statement
00:27:58.700
suggesting they wouldn't continue filming without him prioritizing faith and family over their television
00:28:04.000
careers. Robertson, Phil Robertson refused to retract or apologize for his biblical worldview,
00:28:09.340
maintaining his Christian convictions despite his professional consequences. I don't know this for
00:28:14.460
sure, but I guarantee there were executives from A&E, there were probably publicists, all different kinds
00:28:19.480
of people in that world telling him, hey, just apologize. If you want to believe that personally,
00:28:25.000
that's fine, but just say you're sorry, make a donation, we'll cover it up, and he refused to do
00:28:31.460
that, which is absolutely no surprise to me. But he said, this is what he said in his statement, and this
00:28:36.780
is just, it just is so Phil Robertson. I myself am a product of the 60s. I centered my life around sex,
00:28:44.200
drugs, and rock and roll until I hit rock bottom and accepted Jesus as my savior. My mission today is
00:28:49.480
to go forth and tell people about why I follow Christ and also what the Bible teaches, and part
00:28:54.880
of that teaching is that women and men are meant to be together. However, I would never want to treat
00:28:59.760
anyone with disrespect just because they're different from me. We were created by the Almighty, and like
00:29:04.340
him, I love all of humanity. We would all be better off if we loved God and loved each other. Okay, so that
00:29:13.040
was a great statement. He shared the gospel instead of apologizing. All Christians would do well to follow
00:29:17.900
that example. A&E lifted the suspension, resumed filming with the entire Robertson family, of course,
00:29:25.860
because the show was extremely successful, and money talks not to the Robertson family, money talks to
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A&E, and they saw, okay, this is really successful, and if they are not willing to film without Phil
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Robertson, well, then we're going to lose a lot of money. And I'm sure, I'm just assuming that that's
00:29:44.340
probably the thinking on A&E's part, and so good for Phil Robertson for standing strong. He also
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shared the gospel with Trump, and I love the story of him sharing the gospel with Trump, and so I'll
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So you've probably heard Phil on my show talk about sharing the gospel with Trump, but if you go back
00:31:41.040
and you watch that episode with Jason Owl that we did a few weeks ago, a few months ago, you'll hear
00:31:47.980
them tell the story. I just re-shared that clip on my Instagram page and on Axe as well, and it's just
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really, really sweet. He shared with Charisma Magazine about this. He's talking about meeting
00:32:04.680
Donald Trump in 2016. He wrote a written diagram of the gospel. He said, I get back in there. There's
00:32:13.200
Trump and his little entourage. Robertson said, I knew I didn't have but 15 minutes, so whatever I did,
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I had to make it quick. But rather than ask Trump for a favor or a favor or exchange pleasantries,
00:32:25.780
this is according to Charisma Magazine, Robertson recalled thinking, I've got to get the gospel to
00:32:30.420
him in a hurry. So here he is talking about that on my show, episode 592. I said, there's a cross
00:32:39.360
after that, Trump. I said, there's a cross. Jesus died on the cross. I said, for the sins of the world.
00:32:46.120
I said, you do have sins, don't you, Trump? What did he say? And he said, a lot of them. I said,
00:32:52.440
me too. So I told him, I said, I have a lot too. I said, they put him in a tomb. I said, Trump,
00:32:58.060
whatever happens, I said, we're the same age. We are identical age. I said, we don't have that long.
00:33:05.500
We're in our 70s. I said, Trump, we're going to die, and you're going to go six feet under,
00:33:11.360
and so am I. Right? He said, no doubt about it. I said, he was resurrected from the dead.
00:33:21.060
I said, you can live beyond the grave. I said, it's the greatest thing that ever happened for
00:33:26.120
the human race. You can go watch all of episode 592, where he explains that entire story. Just
00:33:33.780
like really sweet. That was the second time he was on my show. Episode 95. So within the first 100
00:33:41.140
episodes, I think I was pregnant for the first time during this conversation, and he was just
00:33:47.040
so sweet, so down to earth the first time I met him. Here he is talking about what the gospel brings.
00:33:53.560
It's not one. Life, peace of mind, no guilt, sins are removed. Oh, man, peace of mind on planet earth.
00:34:03.900
And you know you're going to be raised from the dead. That's not the end of you. You'll live on.
00:34:09.160
God says, it's impossible for me to lie. And since there's no bigger one to swear by than me,
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I'm going to swear by myself. I will deliver you from your sin, and I will give you eternal life.
00:34:23.160
It's impossible for me to lie. I'm telling you, I'm going to do that. And he said, keep that as an
00:34:29.780
anchor for your soul because you have hope. Hope is an anchor for our soul. So I'm looking at the
00:34:37.260
world. I love them. Even the ones that curse me and all that, I don't hold it against them. Not at all.
00:34:44.120
Oh, so good. I also remember, I've heard this story a couple times, but I was like very pregnant
00:34:50.800
there. You couldn't see me in that clip, but I think I was like eight months pregnant or something,
00:34:55.000
and he didn't say anything about it. And at that point, you're very used to people
00:34:59.860
pointing out that you are pregnant. He didn't say anything. And the next time I talked to him,
00:35:07.020
he said something about it. He was like, I didn't want to say anything. And he talked about a time
00:35:13.080
that he went up to a family member. He had a bunch of family members over, and he went up to one of the
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female family members and said, well, I didn't know you were expecting. And she wasn't expecting.
00:35:28.400
And so he never asks. He never asked again if someone is pregnant because he made the mistake
00:35:35.980
one time. I mean, he had the comedic timing of any amazing comedian and just the earnest heart of an
00:35:46.880
evangelist. And I know that he will be missed so much by his friends and by his family. But I just
00:35:52.920
rejoice knowing that he is exactly where he wants to be. All right. We've got a couple other stories
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Okay, Brie. We're going to talk about Demi Lovato. Right? Yeah. Demi Lovato. Okay. I remember a few
00:38:02.640
years ago, didn't she have, didn't people talk about her having an alter ego named Poot? You don't
00:38:09.480
remember that? I love the lore of Poot. I know everything about Poot. You do? Okay. Yes, but it's
00:38:14.800
not to clarify. It's not really an alter ego. There's just an edited photo, but we got to put
00:38:20.920
it up because it's so good. People just made it up, right? Yeah. Was this after she started
00:38:26.280
calling herself non-binary and stuff? I think this was an old photo. I don't think it has
00:38:31.860
anything to do with that. Okay. I don't know anything about the lore of Poot. I'm surprised
00:38:36.620
you know about Poot. Poot Lovato. I just, I think it's stuck in my memory because it's
00:38:41.420
so bizarre. Yeah. It's so weird. And people are probably wondering, well, what are you
00:38:46.680
talking about? It's basically an old video or an old picture of her just looking completely
00:38:50.860
different. And like people joke that this is her alter ego. It's like a red carpet from
00:38:55.800
a weird angle. Someone used like an iPhone on a red carpet when a flash is going off.
00:39:00.080
So it's really like distorted, but also that Poot Lovato photo actually is edited. So it wasn't
00:39:05.200
even Poot Lovato with the whole name is really funny. Yeah. Okay. So she decided a few years
00:39:13.240
ago, right? Tell me a little bit about her trajectory that she was going to be non-binary,
00:39:18.820
right? She cut her hair. She looked very different. She had looked like more of just like a Katy
00:39:24.780
Perry normal looking. I don't know how you would describe that pop star. Yeah. And then she,
00:39:31.980
both her and Katy Perry came out with lesbian songs. Yes. Cool for the summer was Demi, right?
00:39:39.060
And I kissed a girl and I liked it a little bit more on the nose from Katy Perry. But then
00:39:46.180
Demi Lovato just ended up embracing a non-binary identity, right? Yeah. And she has been,
00:39:54.420
so she has struggled with a lot of things since her time on Disney. I think that Nickelodeon and
00:40:02.300
Disney messes up a lot of kids, but she went, she had a severe eating disorder. She had a drug
00:40:07.700
addiction. So she was going through like a lot of that stuff and probably not getting proper
00:40:13.520
treatment for it either. And so I think that manifests, a lot of that manifested probably in
00:40:18.600
this. Ultimately, this is just me speculating. Um, yeah. So yeah. Amanda Bynes, who really has not
00:40:25.700
bounced back from everything that she went through. And we talked about that Nickelodeon documentary
00:40:30.840
and her upbringing was so disturbing and she was victimized in a lot of ways. It kind of makes sense
00:40:36.980
how she's ended up. A lot of these child stars as we've talked about. Yeah. And I think Demi Lovato
00:40:41.820
also for a while was dating someone who was a lot older than her. So yeah, I don't, there's probably,
00:40:47.180
yeah, there's probably a lot that went on. Um, but yeah, in 2021, she decided to come out as
00:40:53.460
non-binary. Should we play that clip? Yeah. Okay. Here's top three. I want to take this moment to
00:41:00.120
share something very personal with you. Over the past year and a half, I've been doing some healing
00:41:04.700
and self-reflective work. And through this work, I've had the revelation that I identify as non-binary.
00:41:10.700
With that said, I'll officially be changing my pronouns to they, them. I feel that this best
00:41:15.680
represents the fluidity I feel in my gender expression and allows me to feel most authentic
00:41:20.060
and true to the person I both know I am and still am discovering.
00:41:26.360
I don't know even what it means because you're not, you're not neither. You're not both. You're not
00:41:35.520
the other. You're just one. Mm-hmm. Not they. It's, I think they is the most narcissistic choice
00:41:43.800
that people can make because you are not only trying to bend reality and defy biology, but you
00:41:52.000
are also bending the laws of grammar. Right. You, it's just, you only use they in a story for a singular
00:41:59.340
use when you do not know if the person is male or female. Mm-hmm. Not when you know and you're
00:42:05.800
denying it. No one looks at that picture. Just because you got bangs doesn't mean you look like
00:42:09.980
a boy now. That's the thing I was about to say was really all it took was like a short haircut and
00:42:15.480
her to wear like a baggy shirt. And she was like, oh yeah, no, I'm sometimes a guy. I feel it now.
00:42:22.460
Oh my gosh. It's funny, but it's not funny. It's very sad. Okay. So a year later, according to
00:42:29.580
Rolling Stone, she shared that she was also using she, her pronouns saying that she was feeling more
00:42:36.320
feminine. Okay. She elaborated it in an interview with GQ Hype Spain. What is GQ Hype Spain? I don't
00:42:45.000
know. Published in June, 2023 that in reality, using both she, her, and they, them pronouns just meant
00:42:49.880
she didn't have to constantly explain herself to people. I constantly had to educate people and
00:42:54.780
why I identified with those pronouns, they, them, it was absolutely exhausting. And that was one of
00:42:59.720
the reasons that have led me to also feel comfortable with the feminine pronoun. I just got tired.
00:43:03.780
But for that very reason, I know that it is important to continue spreading the word. I mean,
00:43:08.980
isn't that part, like, that's kind of what I mean in the narcissism of it. At least she got to the
00:43:14.500
point to where she was like, I'm tired of forcing people to defy reality. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it really,
00:43:21.840
I mean, it's pretty, it's pretty evident why, you know, I'm, I got tired of, of it all. So now I feel
00:43:30.540
comfortable as a female again. Yeah. What? Yeah. I thought, how, how can you feel comfortable as
00:43:37.040
something that you're not? Right. You're not a female. You're a they, them. You're a non-binary.
00:43:43.340
Yeah. Yeah. It just goes to show that it's a social thing. It's not some like inner soul
00:43:50.280
knowledge. Demi Lovato seems to have gone through a time of soul searching after her. Okay. So we
00:43:57.320
kind of already talked about that a little bit. Okay. So she had some other weird things going on
00:44:03.740
at the same time, right? Yeah. She sang to a ghost to help it overcome trauma. Yeah. Demi Lovato ghost
00:44:11.720
hunting phase. Yeah. Okay. Okay. This is around the same time, right? Yeah. Okay. Let's just play
00:44:20.600
the clip. Stop four. Are there star people here right now? There you go. You got your answer. Holy
00:44:35.320
baby. She has trauma. She does? Okay. How do you know? And that's why she doesn't like
00:44:42.840
men. If I sing you a song, can my friends come back in the room?
00:44:47.620
Do you have to make me feel like there's nothing left of me?
00:45:05.320
Okay. So the ghost, this is like the girl who was using those like water things the other day that
00:45:14.700
I was asking demons about transgender people. This is very similar to that. Okay. So the ghost has
00:45:21.980
trauma. That's why she doesn't trust men. What does that tell you about yourself, Demi? Okay.
00:45:27.920
Truly. What does that tell you about yourself? Um, all right. So that's just what she was going
00:45:34.420
through at the time. It's good to look back and see clusters of events like that because it's like,
00:45:41.860
okay, that's not a natural phenomenon that's happening in her life. That is something she's
00:45:46.820
reacting to something by doing all of this at the same time. It's kind of like when we look at like
00:45:51.960
the mid 1800s and you see a bunch of weird religions started at that time. Yeah. It's probably not
00:45:59.140
because they're all true. Like it's probably because something weird was happening and people were coming
00:46:02.980
up with weird stuff. This was like the mid 1800s of Demi Lovato's life. Okay. So also after Donald Trump
00:46:11.100
became president, she said, she posted, if you are trans or non-binary, like me, like me, she said.
00:46:19.020
Okay. So she's still that way. Please know that I see you. I feel you. Yada, yada, yada. Okay. But here
00:46:25.760
is our non-binary queen. Now look at full screen five. This is what she now looks like. I can't tell if
00:46:34.000
she's a boy or a girl. Can you? Not at all. No. Non-binary queen. Non-binary. Yeah. Oh yeah. Not
00:46:42.000
queen. Um, I don't know. Joker. Neutral royalty. Okay. If you were just listening to this, you don't
00:46:48.480
know what we're talking about. Demi Lovato looks absolutely gorgeous in her wedding photo. This is,
00:46:55.160
I mean, she looks amazing. So she just got married to Jordan Lutz. I don't know anything about him.
00:47:02.200
What is he? Is he songwriter or something? I don't know. We don't really know who he is. Okay.
00:47:06.620
She just got married to him. She looks beautiful in a very traditional wedding dress. She looks like
00:47:15.760
she's gotten very fit. This is what, what, what the people would say, what the, they, thems would call
00:47:21.880
heteronormative. She looks V heteronormative in this picture. And so the question is, is we are
00:47:30.300
talking about this trajectory. Has Demi Lovato made it back to normal? Now her Instagram account says
00:47:38.380
she, her, they, them still. I await the day that she removes the, they, them. Um, she said that she
00:47:48.380
just loved the silhouette. She loved this design. Yes. Because there is a reason that women are drawn
00:47:54.860
to the feminine. She's drawn to the feminine. She's drawn to the, like, dare I say normal. And
00:48:01.080
I think this is a very good trajectory for her. Now, obviously we want her to come to know the gospel
00:48:06.860
and know Jesus Christ and know redemption and know the grace through faith salvation that she can find
00:48:14.020
in Jesus Christ. Obviously that's what we want for her, but we rejoice in someone's life looking more
00:48:20.060
like God's order, looking more like Genesis 127, because something that the whole gender bending
00:48:27.100
idea does, it doesn't just distort or it just doesn't just deny biology. It also distorts beauty
00:48:36.100
and it makes very beautiful people. It tries to make them ugly and all beauty is God's beauty.
00:48:44.700
All truth is God's truth. So I think the fact that she seems to be veering towards the truth and
00:48:50.360
veering towards true beauty is actually a really good indication and we should continue to pray for
00:48:56.760
her. But I've seen this kind of trajectory. It seems like among a lot of people, I mean, you see
00:49:01.420
this kind of evolution on TikTok a lot, especially over the past few years, there is a shift I think
00:49:08.760
happening. And I do think it is less cool than ever to try to identify as something that you
00:49:16.320
are not. And so let's just hope that this is a trajectory that we see across the board. It would
00:49:22.120
alleviate a lot of pain, save a lot of bodies and stop a lot of heartbreak, soul crushing heartbreak
00:49:29.680
from happening if people would very simply acknowledge biological reality and align with
00:49:35.900
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Okay, two celebrities that are also, I think, on a good journey, at least when it comes to one part
00:51:01.580
of their life, and that is motherhood. As we talked about in the beginning, motherhood, parenting,
00:51:07.380
marriage, all of these things really have the ability to change you in profound and positive ways.
00:51:14.440
And Hayley Bieber and Jennifer Lawrence have both made comments about motherhood recently that I
00:51:20.220
find really encouraging and very true. Now, Hayley Bieber, I see her all over the timeline right
00:51:27.160
now, people talking about her marriage with Justin Bieber. And we won't even get into all of that. I
00:51:31.720
find a lot of it sad what he posted about her Vogue cover. Did you see that? It was strange,
00:51:37.840
It was very strange. She made the cover of Vogue, and Justin Bieber posted about it, and his caption
00:51:44.880
was like, one time I told her she'd never be on the cover of Vogue. That was really mean.
00:51:54.340
Would have been good. He changed the caption, but now there's so much conversation about, like,
00:51:58.260
what their marriage is like. I don't know what their marriage is like, but it does sound like she is
00:52:01.820
really enjoying motherhood. She just had a baby a few months ago, and I loved hearing about that.
00:52:07.840
Cover of Vogue, May 20th, and she talks about how motherhood really changed her body. That's hard
00:52:14.960
for any woman, but especially when your body is commercialized the way that hers is, the way she
00:52:21.780
makes money off of her body, I imagine that that would be even more difficult for her. She says,
00:52:28.340
my hips are wider. My body didn't go back to the way it was. And she says, great, I'll take it,
00:52:35.480
but it's not the same body that it was before. She says that she's had to go through physical therapy
00:52:40.440
to help heal after. She also says that she went through a life-threatening postpartum hemorrhage
00:52:45.620
after giving birth to her son. She almost died, but she says she doesn't regret a thing.
00:52:50.700
She definitely wants at least one more baby, maybe more. Gosh, the sacrifice of the body and of the mind
00:52:59.600
that goes into just birthing the child, not even counting all the stuff that happens after the
00:53:04.280
child, it's really something. You really start to give less of an F, she says, about so many things.
00:53:13.320
My son is my priority. He is the most important thing to me. It's so true how parenthood gives you
00:53:18.740
such a needed perspective shift. She also describes motherhood as a transformative teacher. It's been my
00:53:24.260
biggest teacher so far, the biggest teacher in my relationship. Just like marriage, motherhood
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sanctifies you and it reveals things about your own sin and selfishness and just your own shortcomings
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that you didn't see before. But it also gives you the strength to address these things in a very unique
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way. She says, rather than straining her relationships, motherhood has deepened her
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partnerships and relationships. You see your partner so differently, and I think you empathize
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with your parents a lot more. That is absolutely true. That's absolutely true. And again, that's
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another reason why it's so important to have children so that you can gain a better perspective
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of what the older generations went through. And so it just gives you an understanding of all
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different kinds of generations, actually, which is important. So good for her. We need more positive
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publicity about motherhood. Most of toxic mommy culture online is what I've been calling it for
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several years now. That is moms commodifying, complaining about their kids and talking about
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how burdensome motherhood is. That's not cool. It's not cute. It's not funny. And there's one,
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you know, you could be vulnerable. You can share the struggles that you're having. I think there's a way
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to do that and to try to relate to other mothers without talking about your kids as if they're
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brats and burdens instead of what they are, which is a blessing. We've also got Jennifer Lawrence,
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another progressive. I would absolutely say that Hailey Bieber is progressive. I know some people
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have said she identifies as a Christian, but she has publicly supported Planned Parenthood very recently.
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I don't know where she is in her walk, but by every indication that we see publicly, she is a secular
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progressive. And so I hope that motherhood changes that. It has the tendency to do that for a lot of
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people. Jennifer Lawrence, definitely pro-abortion, progressive. And yet she said something really
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important recently about having kids. She has two kids. And here's what she had to say, top five.
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Having children changes everything. It changes your whole life. It's brutal and incredible.
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I didn't know that I could feel so much. And my job has a lot to do with emotion. And they've opened up
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the world to me. So they've changed my life, obviously, for the best. And they've changed me
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creatively. I highly recommend having kids if you want to be an actor.
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I'm so glad that she recognizes that and that she feels that so deeply. It's so true. It opens up
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different chambers of your emotions and of your heart. And God absolutely, as we've talked about
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so many times, can use you and sanctify you and strengthen you no matter what stage of life you're in.
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But we can acknowledge that while also acknowledging this gift of children and parenting,
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that not only are they a gift in and of themselves because they're little image bearers of God,
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but they are gifts in what God can do through them in us. And even if these women aren't where we want
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them to be spiritually, I think for all three of them that we just discussed, they seem to be pointed
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in the right direction. And we should be praying for them as well as we pray for everyone to know Christ.
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And let us also be motivated specifically by Phil Robertson's legacy and the urgency of sharing
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the gospel with everyone, especially those in our lives. Think of someone who maybe just became a new
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mom and is especially vulnerable to hearing the truth of who God is and who her true father is.
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Maybe that's someone in your life that you should specifically be sharing the gospel with and
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praying for. All right, that's all we've got time for today. We will be back here tomorrow.