Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1195 ｜ Phil Robertson’s Legacy, Demi Lovato Goes Normal & Hawaii Thoughts

00:00:00.580 What happened to Demi Lovato? We are taking a look at her trajectory and how things actually

00:00:06.380 seem to be pointing in a really good direction and what that tells us about the evolution that

00:00:11.620 our culture is going through. We also hear some positive motherhood comments from two

00:00:16.940 pretty progressive actresses. Are we seeing a shift when it comes to marriage and motherhood? 1.00

00:00:23.180 Also, we will be honoring Phil Robertson, who died on Sunday, and remembering his legacy of

00:00:32.260 evangelism. And to start the show, I've got some thoughts about my husband's and my trip to Hawaii.

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00:01:07.300 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Tuesday. Hope everyone is having a wonderful week so far.

00:01:12.560 I hope that you were able to have a good long weekend. We have a long weekend because we are

00:01:20.120 honoring those who have paid their lives, who have sacrificed to the utmost so we could have

00:01:27.280 freedom and security. And so thank you seems inadequate when it comes to that kind of sacrifice,

00:01:34.680 and we can simply try to honor them with how we live our lives and not take that freedom and

00:01:40.780 security for granted. And so I hope that you were able to take some time yesterday to reflect on

00:01:46.600 that and honor those who have given their lives for our country. That reminded me, you know, some

00:01:52.460 people were mad yesterday about Trump because he posted on Truth Social, happy Memorial Day. And we

00:01:58.780 don't say happy Memorial Day typically because it's not a happy day. You are reflecting on those who have

00:02:04.740 died for our country. But some of the same people who were calling him out for that, who were saying,

00:02:10.420 oh my goodness, he shouldn't have said, happy Memorial Day. Bree, do you remember last year

00:02:14.940 Kamala Harris's post? Wasn't it a picture of her? It was a picture of her. We'll pull it up if we can

00:02:22.200 find it. It was literally just a picture of her looking off to the side and it said, enjoy the long

00:02:27.980 weekend. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. So at least President Trump acknowledged that it was Memorial Day

00:02:34.980 and didn't, as far as I know, post a picture of his own self, a selfie of himself. Which he would do.

00:02:43.700 So I don't know that he would. I don't think that he would. I think that he would have. Not for Memorial

00:02:49.580 Day. Not for Memorial Day. Yes. In general, he might do an AI depiction of himself fighting in World

00:02:55.600 War II for all we know. But yesterday he did not choose to do that versus Kamala Harris who posted a

00:03:02.220 picture of her profile and said, enjoy the long weekend. So once again, every day is celebrate

00:03:09.680 November 2024 day where we thank the Lord that we do not have Kamala Harris as president. All right.

00:03:17.780 So CR and I, you might've seen on Instagram last week, we were in Hawaii celebrating our 10th year

00:03:24.960 of marriage and it's not our 10 year anniversary yet. It's not until September, but this was the

00:03:31.800 time of year that we were able to go. Chief Related Bro surprised me with this trip for Christmas.

00:03:38.760 There was like a lay in my stocking. And so we have been counting down the days to this trip

00:03:44.340 since Christmas. We've been so excited about it. It was just us two. We had the most wonderful time.

00:03:51.600 It was relaxing, but we really missed our babies and we were so excited to get back, but it was

00:03:57.980 wonderful quality time. And I've got some thoughts about Hawaii and about some of the things that we

00:04:04.860 saw there. And I've got some political thoughts and some theological thoughts about it. And I'll

00:04:10.000 share those in just a second. But before we get into all of those different things, I just want to

00:04:14.360 remind you about Share the Arrows 2025 brought to you by our friends at Every Life. It is going to

00:04:21.480 be here before we know it, which kind of freaks me out because there's a lot to prepare for and plan

00:04:27.940 for you guys. There are going to be so many thousands of you there and I want it to be the

00:04:32.700 best conference, the best event that you have ever been to. And hopefully by the grace of God,

00:04:39.140 it will be. What I know for sure is because of the grace of God, because of the wisdom of the speakers

00:04:45.160 that are going to be there. It is going to be an incredibly powerful and edifying day for everyone.

00:04:52.680 Worship will be led by Grammy Award winning artist Francesca Battistelli. I will be speaking. We've got

00:04:59.960 apologist Elisa Childers. We've got Ginger Duggar Vuolo. We've got a motherhood panel with Abby

00:05:06.620 Halberstadt. She is an author and a homeschooling mom of 10. We've got Hilary Morgan Ferrer, who will also

00:05:12.320 be on that motherhood panel. She is the author of the very popular books, Mama Bear Apologetics.

00:05:17.500 We've got a biblical health panel with Shauna Holman and Taylor Dukes. They've both been on this

00:05:23.200 podcast. And then one of your favorites, Katie Faust, who is just incredible. She is going to be

00:05:29.100 bringing the hard truths about putting children first, not just in our own personal worldview,

00:05:35.680 but also in our lives and in our politics. Y'all, I don't know another hard hitting,

00:05:42.280 deep theologically challenging, apologetically conference like this for women. I don't want 1.00

00:05:48.780 you to miss out. Go to sharethearrows.com. It's October 11th, Dallas, Texas. We'll be putting

00:05:55.800 kind of our rough schedule up this week. A lot of you have been asking me about that so you can plan

00:06:01.160 your day, but it'll be doors open probably 8 a.m. It'll be done by 5 30 p.m. It's just a one day

00:06:07.760 event. So important for everyone to be able to get back home to their families and be able to get to

00:06:13.100 church the next day. So it's a one day event on Saturday. I want to meet you guys there. There

00:06:18.180 are VIP options if you want to meet me and the speakers. So check all of that out at sharethearrows.com.

00:06:25.480 That's sharethearrows.com. All right. Some thoughts that I had on our trip that I have a notes app full

00:06:33.720 of all of my random thoughts. And so I wrote some notes. I'll try to make sense of my stream of

00:06:41.320 consciousness as I tell them to you. Okay. Number one, when we were there, we were heartened by

00:06:46.320 how many young couples brought their kids of all ages. And that is, depending on where you live

00:06:53.320 in the mainland, like that is quite the flight. And we saw so many families bring their little

00:06:59.020 babies, their toddlers, their older kids, which for us, it was just a just us trip. We travel with

00:07:05.340 our kids all the time, but we were just so heartened by how many families decided to make that probably

00:07:12.860 kind of difficult track to give their children that experience and enjoy those memories with their

00:07:19.740 children. And something I thought about every time we saw parents, especially obviously new parents

00:07:25.780 of young babies, or every time we saw parents wrangling their toddlers, we just felt so much

00:07:32.180 compassion for them and so much understanding. And that is something very remarkable that happens when

00:07:38.180 you become a parent. You see in other children, in every child that you see, you see a little bit of

00:07:45.340 your own child. And your compassion for them and your care for them, like is very profound in that

00:07:53.660 moment. Like when you hear a baby crying on the plane, rather than thinking, oh my gosh, I just need

00:07:58.460 to put on my noise canceling headphones, or I'm so annoyed, I can't believe they would be traveling with

00:08:03.880 their rambunctious child, you think, oh, I've been there, or oh, that poor baby. And you have the instinct

00:08:10.500 and the inclination to go help those parents or to go help that child. And it made me think about

00:08:16.520 another reason, in addition to the many others, it's so important for people to have kids and how

00:08:23.040 important it is collectively for society to be made up of mostly parents. That's not to say people

00:08:31.000 without children can't have compassion or can't be loving or understanding or kind or any of those

00:08:36.440 things. And there are plenty of parents who lack all of those qualities. But as a whole, in general,

00:08:43.140 one of the challenges or one of the detriments to the birth dearth, the fertility crisis that we are

00:08:51.380 experiencing in America is that you have so many adults walking around that have no idea what it is

00:08:59.240 like to care for a child, no idea what it is like to have that deep, profound, self-sacrificial love

00:09:07.040 that you so deeply and instinctively feel for your children, and that you share to some degree with

00:09:12.940 other children that you see. That really matters when it comes to the decisions that adults make

00:09:19.220 that impact the rest of society. I think it's important for leaders of all stripes, whether they're

00:09:24.780 leading a business or especially if you're leading politically and you are deciding on policy that

00:09:30.060 is going to affect not only society right now, but future generations. It is really important

00:09:36.220 for most adults, at least, to have a personal stake in the future, to really care what happens after you

00:09:44.420 die, not just because of some altruistic inclination, but because you will have children that you love and

00:09:52.160 grandchildren that you love taking part in that future. I think it's really important for decision

00:09:59.300 makers in our society to be able to have that personal stake and to be able to have that kind

00:10:04.880 of capacity for compassion for children and for future generations. And yeah, that's going to be

00:10:13.220 a detriment that we see taking root and manifesting itself very soon. And I think we already see that

00:10:21.280 in a lot of ways, but it is so important, not just on an individual and personal level, but again,

00:10:27.200 I think societally and generally just as a whole for people to have children because of the character

00:10:34.260 traits that it both initiates and accelerates in people. Okay, so that's one thought that I had.

00:10:42.960 Another thought that I had is about the state of Hawaii, which is arguably the most beautiful state

00:10:49.760 in our union. Now, I love California. There's a lot of things I don't love about California,

00:10:55.720 but my husband and I love California. We think it's so beautiful, not just the beaches, but we love

00:11:03.080 the mountains. We love the diversity of topography that you have in California. It's just a gorgeous

00:11:12.160 state that is very mismanaged. And Hawaii is very similar in that you have a state that is so beautiful

00:11:22.260 and is so incredibly because of progressive ideology and the one party system that pretty much

00:11:29.840 dominates Hawaii. You have a very mismanaged, beautiful state. And if you go outside of the very

00:11:37.660 touristy areas, if you go outside of the resorts, you see this mismanagement. You see that much of

00:11:45.580 Hawaii is actually being neglected. Despite how beautiful it is, those who say that they care so

00:11:52.220 much about the environment in places like Washington or Oregon or California or Colorado or Hawaii, some of

00:11:59.820 these beautiful states, things are very dilapidated. Things are very dirty. These places actually

00:12:07.600 aren't being cared for in a sense. And because of that, not only is nature itself suffering, but

00:12:15.380 the people who are taking part in nature are suffering. And this made me think about part of

00:12:20.520 the creation order that progressivism distorts and denies. We talk a lot about Genesis 127 and how

00:12:27.060 progressivism, because of its hatred for God, it denies that people are made in the image of God from the

00:12:34.880 moment of conception, which we read in Genesis 127, that we're made in God's image. So we get an

00:12:40.520 answer about the value of human life. And we read in Genesis 127 that God made us in his image, male

00:12:45.980 and female. We see the definition of gender, the definition of the value of life, and the definition

00:12:50.420 of marriage right there in that one verse in the first chapter of the Bible. And progressivism denies

00:12:56.680 all of that. But another part of the creation order, the creation mandate that progressivism denies

00:13:02.180 is that we are to work the ground and to keep it. That was one of the first, the first order of

00:13:08.500 business really, that was given to Adam when he was placed in a garden. This is pre-fall. He was to

00:13:15.360 work the ground and to keep it. So work is not a product of sin. It is not a necessary evil. It is

00:13:21.700 actually a necessary good that Adam was commanded to do before sin entered the world. And Adam and Eve

00:13:27.640 were placed, as we've said many times, in a garden, not in a jungle. A garden is orderly and it needs

00:13:34.240 cultivation. A jungle runs amok. And you see this distortion in progressive policy, specifically in

00:13:41.880 environmental policy, that nature in the name of preservation is actually neglected. And human

00:13:48.480 needs in the name of preserving nature are also neglected. We see this, for example, that California

00:13:55.560 doesn't allow much needed irrigation of many crops in middle California to protect this tiny fish 0.98

00:14:02.220 called the delta smelt, which is basically instinct anyway, by the way. And then we also see them,

00:14:08.380 for example, they won't clear brush in many of the forests to try to preserve nature. And that just

00:14:13.060 accelerates the fires, which end up hurting nature and again, also end up hurting the people in

00:14:18.940 California. And we see very similar policies in the state of Hawaii. And that is because they distort or

00:14:26.600 ignore this creation order that human beings are actually meant to subdue the earth, not the other

00:14:33.400 way around. It is not that human beings are to submit to all of the forces of nature. We are meant to subdue

00:14:42.100 the earth as a creation mandate because we are made in God's image. But if you fast forward to Romans 1

00:14:50.120 and you see that when you worship the creature rather than the creator who is blessed forever,

00:14:55.960 amen, you end up distorting everything. Everything ends up being backwards, not just when it comes to

00:15:02.500 gender, not just when it comes to sexuality, not just when it comes to other forms of morality, as we

00:15:07.220 see all in Romans 1. But also you start to elevate nature above the God who created it. And when you

00:15:14.200 do that, everything just gets out of whack. You start allowing environmental policy to run the show

00:15:22.960 to the detriment of the people who are actually supposed to be subduing and cultivating the earth 1.00

00:15:32.240 and nature. And when you let what is supposed to be a garden turn into a jungle, then people suffer.

00:15:41.180 And actually, nature suffers as well. And so that was another thought about the theological errors of

00:15:48.540 progressivism, which then leads to really bad policy. Okay, last thought, most serious thought.

00:15:56.560 There are butts everywhere. Okay? When you go to the beach, you cannot walk two feet without seeing

00:16:09.680 someone's full butt out. Okay? Now, I am not, I promise, I am not like the modesty police. I do not 0.78

00:16:18.600 think a woman's body is something to be shamed. I don't think that someone needs to cover 0.99

00:16:26.460 themselves in a burqa. Okay? I don't think the shape of a woman's body is something that has to 0.99

00:16:33.400 be hidden at all costs. And so I think to a degree, I've done an episode on this, you can go back and

00:16:39.060 listen to all my specifications on it. To a degree, modesty is subjective. But I think we can draw the

00:16:46.060 line at butts. Right? Like, I think we can just say, maybe you shouldn't wear a thong to the beach. 0.77

00:16:51.340 I want to create, I want a shirt or a sweatshirt that says, I don't consent to seeing your butt. 1.00

00:16:58.040 And I'm going to wear it to the gym. And I'm going to wear it to the beach. And I just, I wish that we 0.83

00:17:04.840 as a society could just draw the line somewhere. But we've basically said no lines. All shame is bad.

00:17:13.060 All rules are bad. All expectations of decency are bad. And stigmatizing and marginalizing. And

00:17:22.800 therefore, we should just be rid of them. Stigma and shame are important to the preservation of any

00:17:32.440 society. Okay? To a degree. And we can decide on what needs to be stigmatized and what needs to be

00:17:40.180 shamed. If you don't have those two things, you actually end up living in a nanny tyrannical state. 0.89

00:17:47.240 Because instead of people being guided by societal norms and stigma and shame, like their own personal

00:17:55.180 structures for morality, you have to have the government come in and mandate everything.

00:18:01.320 Actually, stigma and shame were hard fought by our ancestors. They stigmatized and shamed things that

00:18:07.320 were bad for society and bad for you, like premarital sex that would then lead to babies 1.00

00:18:13.120 outside of wedlock, which is really bad for women and children. They fought to stigmatize and shame 0.81

00:18:18.000 those things for the betterment of future generations. And now we're basically saying none of those things

00:18:23.820 matter. Throw caution to the wind. Again, to our detriment. Okay? So those are all of my thoughts.

00:18:30.360 I saved them all for you. Collected them in my notes app to deliver them on Relatable. That's

00:18:36.480 the benefit to having a podcast. All of your errant thoughts, you can just deliver them and hope that

00:18:42.040 someone cares about them. All right. Let's get into more serious stuff that we are talking about today.

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00:20:18.640 a heads up. All right, I want to talk about Phil Robertson. Phil Robertson, gosh, just one of my

00:20:25.380 favorite people in public life. He very sadly died at the age of 79 just yesterday. I got the text and

00:20:36.900 I believe that he passed away yesterday morning. And I say it's very sad, but it's really not sad

00:20:45.540 for Phil Robertson. If you know anything about him, the patriarch of the Duck Dynasty family,

00:20:51.960 you know that he wanted nothing more than to know Jesus and to make Jesus known. And he lived the

00:21:00.820 entirety of his Christian life after becoming a Christian as an adult, sharing the gospel with

00:21:07.980 others. And he did that on my show. He did that in every episode of his podcast that he hosted with

00:21:17.620 Jace and Al. He did that through the Duck Dynasty show. And so I just want to talk a little bit about

00:21:24.380 his life and honor him and also hope that sharing this bit about his life inspires you to live like

00:21:32.620 him and to share the gospel as earnestly and as urgently as he did. So he died after battling. So it

00:21:41.720 was actually on Sunday. I think I said he died yesterday, but he died on Sunday after battling Alzheimer's

00:21:47.740 disease, other health conditions. We did an episode just a few weeks ago with Jace and Al,

00:21:53.560 two of his sons who really just talked about his legacy, also talked about his diagnoses. I really

00:22:00.580 encourage you to go back and to listen to or watch that episode. Jace and Al are just incredible.

00:22:07.220 They're so easy to listen to. I just got to sit back and listen to them talk about their dad that

00:22:12.140 they love so much. It was really, really encouraging. Go back, watch that episode. His daughter-in-law,

00:22:19.160 Corey Robertson, that's Willie's wife, announced his death on Instagram, said,

00:22:25.980 we celebrate today that our father, husband, and grandfather, Phil Robertson, is now with the Lord.

00:22:31.360 He reminded us often of the words of Paul, you do not grieve like those who have no hope,

00:22:36.220 for we believe that Jesus died and rose again. And so we believe that God will bring with Jesus

00:22:41.840 those who have fallen asleep in him. In fact, I saw that Sadie Robertson, his granddaughter,

00:22:48.900 Sadie Robertson Hough, posted a video of him saying this, paraphrasing, saying, when I die,

00:22:56.080 don't cry. And I'm sure that there will be lots of tears for his earthly passing from his family,

00:23:02.540 because of course, you miss him. You miss his presence. You miss his wisdom. This is someone that

00:23:08.060 you've known, obviously, his kids their whole lives. But as grandkids, you miss that presence

00:23:14.080 in your life. I still think about my grandmother who died over five years ago now. It'll be six

00:23:21.160 years ago this fall. I think about her almost every day. When I was traveling to Hawaii, I thought about

00:23:26.700 how much she loved to travel and what she would think about all of our adventures. And so you don't

00:23:34.140 stop thinking about them. You don't stop missing their presence, even though you know that they

00:23:40.140 are so much more satisfied than we could ever comprehend here on earth. And so be praying for

00:23:48.580 his family as they are going through this mourning process. But the point is, is that as Christians,

00:23:55.260 we don't mourn as those who don't have hope. We don't mourn as those who believe that their loved

00:24:02.220 ones are lost forever. At the same time, we also don't believe, as many in the world do,

00:24:09.220 that our loved ones become angels or that heaven gained another angel. No, we don't believe that.

00:24:15.780 In fact, the Bible says that angels long to see what we get to see. They don't even know all of the

00:24:21.300 things that we know. They know different things than we do. And there's a special plan for human

00:24:27.140 beings, and that is redemption through Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ alone. And Phil Robertson

00:24:34.140 was such an example of that redemption that people can give or that people can receive from Jesus.

00:24:43.240 He founded the Duck Commander Hunting Company in 1972. That, of course, became the foundation for

00:24:49.620 the family's television fame. I don't know if you guys grew up watching Duck Dynasty. I loved Duck

00:24:57.760 Dynasty because it was a reality TV show that was actually wholesome. All of the other reality TV

00:25:03.900 shows that you would watch on E! were all about, you know, sex, scandal, getting drunk, gossip,

00:25:12.120 all different kinds of stupid drama. And this was different because this was a family who was 1.00

00:25:18.800 praying at the end of every episode. And they were funny, and it was lighthearted. And so it gave

00:25:25.220 you that that most people are looking for when they're watching reality TV. But there was something

00:25:30.560 really profound there. There were true familial ties. They actually loved each other. You saw marriages

00:25:38.260 that were strong, most marriages that are depicted on TV, especially reality TV. The wife is making the 0.98

00:25:44.980 husband look stupid. And you've got a bunch of weak, cowardly husbands and dads or absent dads. You didn't 1.00

00:25:51.620 see that here. And they were unashamed of their faith. He got in some hot water, Phil Robertson did, in

00:26:01.020 December 2013. There was a national firestorm after he made comments condemning homosexuality. There was

00:26:09.760 a GQ magazine interview. Also, if you know anything about Phil Robertson, he never, from at least last

00:26:17.600 time I talked to him, had never logged on to the internet, ever. I'm not just talking about social

00:26:22.540 media. He had never logged on to the internet. And so when he did this interview with GQ, and then he

00:26:30.600 got all of this backlash, I'm sure he had no idea really, like, what people were saying or how it was

00:26:36.200 circulating online, or at least he didn't know from reading it himself. So he said in the interview, he

00:26:45.020 said this, discussing his biblical view on the progression of sexual sin. He said, you start with

00:26:49.920 homosexual behavior and it just morphs out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that 0.99

00:26:55.120 woman and that woman and those men. Phil explained that he didn't understand why a woman wouldn't be

00:27:00.580 more desirable to a man than another man. He said, she's got more to offer. I mean, come on, dudes, you know

00:27:05.920 what I'm saying? But hey, sin, it's not logical, my man. It's just not logical. It's just such Phil

00:27:12.420 Robertson language. And obviously, he's exactly right. So he said this in the interview, GQ printed it, people

00:27:19.440 got upset, the network, and he suspended Phil Robertson indefinitely on December 18, 2013, stating that his

00:27:27.420 remarks didn't reflect company values. They said, we are extremely disappointed to have read Phil

00:27:36.000 Robertson's comments in GQ, which are based on his own personal beliefs and are not reflected in the

00:27:40.400 series Duck Dynasty. His personal views in no way reflect those of A&E networks who have always been

00:27:46.200 strong supporters and champions of the LGBT community. My goodness, that was 12 years ago and that

00:27:52.580 silliness was already happening. The entire Robertson family stood behind Phil issuing a statement

00:27:58.700 suggesting they wouldn't continue filming without him prioritizing faith and family over their television

00:28:04.000 careers. Robertson, Phil Robertson refused to retract or apologize for his biblical worldview,

00:28:09.340 maintaining his Christian convictions despite his professional consequences. I don't know this for

00:28:14.460 sure, but I guarantee there were executives from A&E, there were probably publicists, all different kinds

00:28:19.480 of people in that world telling him, hey, just apologize. If you want to believe that personally,

00:28:25.000 that's fine, but just say you're sorry, make a donation, we'll cover it up, and he refused to do

00:28:31.460 that, which is absolutely no surprise to me. But he said, this is what he said in his statement, and this

00:28:36.780 is just, it just is so Phil Robertson. I myself am a product of the 60s. I centered my life around sex,

00:28:44.200 drugs, and rock and roll until I hit rock bottom and accepted Jesus as my savior. My mission today is

00:28:49.480 to go forth and tell people about why I follow Christ and also what the Bible teaches, and part

00:28:54.880 of that teaching is that women and men are meant to be together. However, I would never want to treat

00:28:59.760 anyone with disrespect just because they're different from me. We were created by the Almighty, and like

00:29:04.340 him, I love all of humanity. We would all be better off if we loved God and loved each other. Okay, so that

00:29:13.040 was a great statement. He shared the gospel instead of apologizing. All Christians would do well to follow

00:29:17.900 that example. A&E lifted the suspension, resumed filming with the entire Robertson family, of course,

00:29:25.860 because the show was extremely successful, and money talks not to the Robertson family, money talks to

00:29:32.500 A&E, and they saw, okay, this is really successful, and if they are not willing to film without Phil

00:29:38.300 Robertson, well, then we're going to lose a lot of money. And I'm sure, I'm just assuming that that's

00:29:44.340 probably the thinking on A&E's part, and so good for Phil Robertson for standing strong. He also

00:29:52.000 shared the gospel with Trump, and I love the story of him sharing the gospel with Trump, and so I'll

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00:31:28.660 So you've probably heard Phil on my show talk about sharing the gospel with Trump, but if you go back

00:31:41.040 and you watch that episode with Jason Owl that we did a few weeks ago, a few months ago, you'll hear

00:31:47.980 them tell the story. I just re-shared that clip on my Instagram page and on Axe as well, and it's just

00:31:55.840 really, really sweet. He shared with Charisma Magazine about this. He's talking about meeting

00:32:04.680 Donald Trump in 2016. He wrote a written diagram of the gospel. He said, I get back in there. There's

00:32:13.200 Trump and his little entourage. Robertson said, I knew I didn't have but 15 minutes, so whatever I did,

00:32:19.100 I had to make it quick. But rather than ask Trump for a favor or a favor or exchange pleasantries,

00:32:25.780 this is according to Charisma Magazine, Robertson recalled thinking, I've got to get the gospel to

00:32:30.420 him in a hurry. So here he is talking about that on my show, episode 592. I said, there's a cross

00:32:39.360 after that, Trump. I said, there's a cross. Jesus died on the cross. I said, for the sins of the world.

00:32:46.120 I said, you do have sins, don't you, Trump? What did he say? And he said, a lot of them. I said,

00:32:52.440 me too. So I told him, I said, I have a lot too. I said, they put him in a tomb. I said, Trump,

00:32:58.060 whatever happens, I said, we're the same age. We are identical age. I said, we don't have that long.

00:33:05.500 We're in our 70s. I said, Trump, we're going to die, and you're going to go six feet under, 0.97

00:33:11.360 and so am I. Right? He said, no doubt about it. I said, he was resurrected from the dead.

00:33:21.060 I said, you can live beyond the grave. I said, it's the greatest thing that ever happened for

00:33:26.120 the human race. You can go watch all of episode 592, where he explains that entire story. Just

00:33:33.780 like really sweet. That was the second time he was on my show. Episode 95. So within the first 100

00:33:41.140 episodes, I think I was pregnant for the first time during this conversation, and he was just

00:33:47.040 so sweet, so down to earth the first time I met him. Here he is talking about what the gospel brings.

00:33:53.560 It's not one. Life, peace of mind, no guilt, sins are removed. Oh, man, peace of mind on planet earth.

00:34:03.900 And you know you're going to be raised from the dead. That's not the end of you. You'll live on.

00:34:09.160 God says, it's impossible for me to lie. And since there's no bigger one to swear by than me,

00:34:16.320 I'm going to swear by myself. I will deliver you from your sin, and I will give you eternal life.

00:34:23.160 It's impossible for me to lie. I'm telling you, I'm going to do that. And he said, keep that as an

00:34:29.780 anchor for your soul because you have hope. Hope is an anchor for our soul. So I'm looking at the

00:34:37.260 world. I love them. Even the ones that curse me and all that, I don't hold it against them. Not at all.

00:34:44.120 Oh, so good. I also remember, I've heard this story a couple times, but I was like very pregnant

00:34:50.800 there. You couldn't see me in that clip, but I think I was like eight months pregnant or something,

00:34:55.000 and he didn't say anything about it. And at that point, you're very used to people

00:34:59.860 pointing out that you are pregnant. He didn't say anything. And the next time I talked to him,

00:35:07.020 he said something about it. He was like, I didn't want to say anything. And he talked about a time

00:35:13.080 that he went up to a family member. He had a bunch of family members over, and he went up to one of the

00:35:21.320 female family members and said, well, I didn't know you were expecting. And she wasn't expecting. 0.65

00:35:28.400 And so he never asks. He never asked again if someone is pregnant because he made the mistake

00:35:35.980 one time. I mean, he had the comedic timing of any amazing comedian and just the earnest heart of an

00:35:46.880 evangelist. And I know that he will be missed so much by his friends and by his family. But I just

00:35:52.920 rejoice knowing that he is exactly where he wants to be. All right. We've got a couple other stories

00:35:59.440 that we're going to get into. We'll make it into like one story to close out the podcast and pop

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00:37:49.160 Okay, Brie. We're going to talk about Demi Lovato. Right? Yeah. Demi Lovato. Okay. I remember a few

00:38:02.640 years ago, didn't she have, didn't people talk about her having an alter ego named Poot? You don't 0.83

00:38:09.480 remember that? I love the lore of Poot. I know everything about Poot. You do? Okay. Yes, but it's

00:38:14.800 not to clarify. It's not really an alter ego. There's just an edited photo, but we got to put

00:38:20.920 it up because it's so good. People just made it up, right? Yeah. Was this after she started

00:38:26.280 calling herself non-binary and stuff? I think this was an old photo. I don't think it has

00:38:31.860 anything to do with that. Okay. I don't know anything about the lore of Poot. I'm surprised

00:38:36.620 you know about Poot. Poot Lovato. I just, I think it's stuck in my memory because it's

00:38:41.420 so bizarre. Yeah. It's so weird. And people are probably wondering, well, what are you

00:38:46.680 talking about? It's basically an old video or an old picture of her just looking completely

00:38:50.860 different. And like people joke that this is her alter ego. It's like a red carpet from

00:38:55.800 a weird angle. Someone used like an iPhone on a red carpet when a flash is going off.

00:39:00.080 So it's really like distorted, but also that Poot Lovato photo actually is edited. So it wasn't

00:39:05.200 even Poot Lovato with the whole name is really funny. Yeah. Okay. So she decided a few years

00:39:13.240 ago, right? Tell me a little bit about her trajectory that she was going to be non-binary, 0.99

00:39:18.820 right? She cut her hair. She looked very different. She had looked like more of just like a Katy

00:39:24.780 Perry normal looking. I don't know how you would describe that pop star. Yeah. And then she, 0.99

00:39:31.980 both her and Katy Perry came out with lesbian songs. Yes. Cool for the summer was Demi, right?

00:39:39.060 And I kissed a girl and I liked it a little bit more on the nose from Katy Perry. But then

00:39:46.180 Demi Lovato just ended up embracing a non-binary identity, right? Yeah. And she has been,

00:39:54.420 so she has struggled with a lot of things since her time on Disney. I think that Nickelodeon and

00:40:02.300 Disney messes up a lot of kids, but she went, she had a severe eating disorder. She had a drug 1.00

00:40:07.700 addiction. So she was going through like a lot of that stuff and probably not getting proper

00:40:13.520 treatment for it either. And so I think that manifests, a lot of that manifested probably in

00:40:18.600 this. Ultimately, this is just me speculating. Um, yeah. So yeah. Amanda Bynes, who really has not

00:40:25.700 bounced back from everything that she went through. And we talked about that Nickelodeon documentary

00:40:30.840 and her upbringing was so disturbing and she was victimized in a lot of ways. It kind of makes sense

00:40:36.980 how she's ended up. A lot of these child stars as we've talked about. Yeah. And I think Demi Lovato

00:40:41.820 also for a while was dating someone who was a lot older than her. So yeah, I don't, there's probably,

00:40:47.180 yeah, there's probably a lot that went on. Um, but yeah, in 2021, she decided to come out as

00:40:53.460 non-binary. Should we play that clip? Yeah. Okay. Here's top three. I want to take this moment to

00:41:00.120 share something very personal with you. Over the past year and a half, I've been doing some healing

00:41:04.700 and self-reflective work. And through this work, I've had the revelation that I identify as non-binary.

00:41:10.700 With that said, I'll officially be changing my pronouns to they, them. I feel that this best

00:41:15.680 represents the fluidity I feel in my gender expression and allows me to feel most authentic

00:41:20.060 and true to the person I both know I am and still am discovering.

00:41:26.360 I don't know even what it means because you're not, you're not neither. You're not both. You're not

00:41:35.520 the other. You're just one. Mm-hmm. Not they. It's, I think they is the most narcissistic choice

00:41:43.800 that people can make because you are not only trying to bend reality and defy biology, but you

00:41:52.000 are also bending the laws of grammar. Right. You, it's just, you only use they in a story for a singular

00:41:59.340 use when you do not know if the person is male or female. Mm-hmm. Not when you know and you're

00:42:05.800 denying it. No one looks at that picture. Just because you got bangs doesn't mean you look like

00:42:09.980 a boy now. That's the thing I was about to say was really all it took was like a short haircut and

00:42:15.480 her to wear like a baggy shirt. And she was like, oh yeah, no, I'm sometimes a guy. I feel it now.

00:42:22.460 Oh my gosh. It's funny, but it's not funny. It's very sad. Okay. So a year later, according to

00:42:29.580 Rolling Stone, she shared that she was also using she, her pronouns saying that she was feeling more

00:42:36.320 feminine. Okay. She elaborated it in an interview with GQ Hype Spain. What is GQ Hype Spain? I don't

00:42:45.000 know. Published in June, 2023 that in reality, using both she, her, and they, them pronouns just meant

00:42:49.880 she didn't have to constantly explain herself to people. I constantly had to educate people and

00:42:54.780 why I identified with those pronouns, they, them, it was absolutely exhausting. And that was one of

00:42:59.720 the reasons that have led me to also feel comfortable with the feminine pronoun. I just got tired.

00:43:03.780 But for that very reason, I know that it is important to continue spreading the word. I mean,

00:43:08.980 isn't that part, like, that's kind of what I mean in the narcissism of it. At least she got to the

00:43:14.500 point to where she was like, I'm tired of forcing people to defy reality. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it really,

00:43:21.840 I mean, it's pretty, it's pretty evident why, you know, I'm, I got tired of, of it all. So now I feel

00:43:30.540 comfortable as a female again. Yeah. What? Yeah. I thought, how, how can you feel comfortable as

00:43:37.040 something that you're not? Right. You're not a female. You're a they, them. You're a non-binary. 1.00

00:43:43.340 Yeah. Yeah. It just goes to show that it's a social thing. It's not some like inner soul

00:43:50.280 knowledge. Demi Lovato seems to have gone through a time of soul searching after her. Okay. So we

00:43:57.320 kind of already talked about that a little bit. Okay. So she had some other weird things going on

00:44:03.740 at the same time, right? Yeah. She sang to a ghost to help it overcome trauma. Yeah. Demi Lovato ghost

00:44:11.720 hunting phase. Yeah. Okay. Okay. This is around the same time, right? Yeah. Okay. Let's just play

00:44:20.600 the clip. Stop four. Are there star people here right now? There you go. You got your answer. Holy

00:44:35.320 baby. She has trauma. She does? Okay. How do you know? And that's why she doesn't like 0.99

00:44:42.840 men. If I sing you a song, can my friends come back in the room?

00:44:47.620 Do you have to make me feel like there's nothing left of me?

00:45:05.320 Okay. So the ghost, this is like the girl who was using those like water things the other day that

00:45:14.700 I was asking demons about transgender people. This is very similar to that. Okay. So the ghost has 1.00

00:45:21.980 trauma. That's why she doesn't trust men. What does that tell you about yourself, Demi? Okay.

00:45:27.920 Truly. What does that tell you about yourself? Um, all right. So that's just what she was going

00:45:34.420 through at the time. It's good to look back and see clusters of events like that because it's like,

00:45:41.860 okay, that's not a natural phenomenon that's happening in her life. That is something she's

00:45:46.820 reacting to something by doing all of this at the same time. It's kind of like when we look at like

00:45:51.960 the mid 1800s and you see a bunch of weird religions started at that time. Yeah. It's probably not

00:45:59.140 because they're all true. Like it's probably because something weird was happening and people were coming

00:46:02.980 up with weird stuff. This was like the mid 1800s of Demi Lovato's life. Okay. So also after Donald Trump

00:46:11.100 became president, she said, she posted, if you are trans or non-binary, like me, like me, she said.

00:46:19.020 Okay. So she's still that way. Please know that I see you. I feel you. Yada, yada, yada. Okay. But here

00:46:25.760 is our non-binary queen. Now look at full screen five. This is what she now looks like. I can't tell if 0.85

00:46:34.000 she's a boy or a girl. Can you? Not at all. No. Non-binary queen. Non-binary. Yeah. Oh yeah. Not 1.00

00:46:42.000 queen. Um, I don't know. Joker. Neutral royalty. Okay. If you were just listening to this, you don't

00:46:48.480 know what we're talking about. Demi Lovato looks absolutely gorgeous in her wedding photo. This is,

00:46:55.160 I mean, she looks amazing. So she just got married to Jordan Lutz. I don't know anything about him.

00:47:02.200 What is he? Is he songwriter or something? I don't know. We don't really know who he is. Okay.

00:47:06.620 She just got married to him. She looks beautiful in a very traditional wedding dress. She looks like

00:47:15.760 she's gotten very fit. This is what, what, what the people would say, what the, they, thems would call

00:47:21.880 heteronormative. She looks V heteronormative in this picture. And so the question is, is we are

00:47:30.300 talking about this trajectory. Has Demi Lovato made it back to normal? Now her Instagram account says

00:47:38.380 she, her, they, them still. I await the day that she removes the, they, them. Um, she said that she 0.99

00:47:48.380 just loved the silhouette. She loved this design. Yes. Because there is a reason that women are drawn 1.00

00:47:54.860 to the feminine. She's drawn to the feminine. She's drawn to the, like, dare I say normal. And 0.94

00:48:01.080 I think this is a very good trajectory for her. Now, obviously we want her to come to know the gospel

00:48:06.860 and know Jesus Christ and know redemption and know the grace through faith salvation that she can find

00:48:14.020 in Jesus Christ. Obviously that's what we want for her, but we rejoice in someone's life looking more

00:48:20.060 like God's order, looking more like Genesis 127, because something that the whole gender bending 0.86

00:48:27.100 idea does, it doesn't just distort or it just doesn't just deny biology. It also distorts beauty

00:48:36.100 and it makes very beautiful people. It tries to make them ugly and all beauty is God's beauty.

00:48:44.700 All truth is God's truth. So I think the fact that she seems to be veering towards the truth and

00:48:50.360 veering towards true beauty is actually a really good indication and we should continue to pray for

00:48:56.760 her. But I've seen this kind of trajectory. It seems like among a lot of people, I mean, you see

00:49:01.420 this kind of evolution on TikTok a lot, especially over the past few years, there is a shift I think

00:49:08.760 happening. And I do think it is less cool than ever to try to identify as something that you

00:49:16.320 are not. And so let's just hope that this is a trajectory that we see across the board. It would

00:49:22.120 alleviate a lot of pain, save a lot of bodies and stop a lot of heartbreak, soul crushing heartbreak

00:49:29.680 from happening if people would very simply acknowledge biological reality and align with

00:49:35.900 beauty, which beauty and reality go hand in hand. All right. I got one more encouraging note to end

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00:50:55.100 Okay, two celebrities that are also, I think, on a good journey, at least when it comes to one part

00:51:01.580 of their life, and that is motherhood. As we talked about in the beginning, motherhood, parenting,

00:51:07.380 marriage, all of these things really have the ability to change you in profound and positive ways.

00:51:14.440 And Hayley Bieber and Jennifer Lawrence have both made comments about motherhood recently that I

00:51:20.220 find really encouraging and very true. Now, Hayley Bieber, I see her all over the timeline right

00:51:27.160 now, people talking about her marriage with Justin Bieber. And we won't even get into all of that. I

00:51:31.720 find a lot of it sad what he posted about her Vogue cover. Did you see that? It was strange,

00:51:37.380 y'all. Yeah.

00:51:37.840 It was very strange. She made the cover of Vogue, and Justin Bieber posted about it, and his caption

00:51:44.880 was like, one time I told her she'd never be on the cover of Vogue. That was really mean.

00:51:49.780 Yeah.

00:51:51.000 Yikes.

00:51:51.660 Yeah.

00:51:52.140 Maybe just congrats.

00:51:53.460 Yep.

00:51:54.340 Would have been good. He changed the caption, but now there's so much conversation about, like,

00:51:58.260 what their marriage is like. I don't know what their marriage is like, but it does sound like she is

00:52:01.820 really enjoying motherhood. She just had a baby a few months ago, and I loved hearing about that.

00:52:07.840 Cover of Vogue, May 20th, and she talks about how motherhood really changed her body. That's hard

00:52:14.960 for any woman, but especially when your body is commercialized the way that hers is, the way she 1.00

00:52:21.780 makes money off of her body, I imagine that that would be even more difficult for her. She says, 0.93

00:52:28.340 my hips are wider. My body didn't go back to the way it was. And she says, great, I'll take it,

00:52:35.480 but it's not the same body that it was before. She says that she's had to go through physical therapy

00:52:40.440 to help heal after. She also says that she went through a life-threatening postpartum hemorrhage

00:52:45.620 after giving birth to her son. She almost died, but she says she doesn't regret a thing.

00:52:50.700 She definitely wants at least one more baby, maybe more. Gosh, the sacrifice of the body and of the mind 1.00

00:52:59.600 that goes into just birthing the child, not even counting all the stuff that happens after the

00:53:04.280 child, it's really something. You really start to give less of an F, she says, about so many things.

00:53:13.320 My son is my priority. He is the most important thing to me. It's so true how parenthood gives you

00:53:18.740 such a needed perspective shift. She also describes motherhood as a transformative teacher. It's been my

00:53:24.260 biggest teacher so far, the biggest teacher in my relationship. Just like marriage, motherhood

00:53:29.280 sanctifies you and it reveals things about your own sin and selfishness and just your own shortcomings

00:53:37.380 that you didn't see before. But it also gives you the strength to address these things in a very unique

00:53:42.580 way. She says, rather than straining her relationships, motherhood has deepened her

00:53:46.440 partnerships and relationships. You see your partner so differently, and I think you empathize

00:53:50.320 with your parents a lot more. That is absolutely true. That's absolutely true. And again, that's

00:53:55.880 another reason why it's so important to have children so that you can gain a better perspective

00:54:02.220 of what the older generations went through. And so it just gives you an understanding of all

00:54:08.620 different kinds of generations, actually, which is important. So good for her. We need more positive

00:54:14.840 publicity about motherhood. Most of toxic mommy culture online is what I've been calling it for 1.00

00:54:21.480 several years now. That is moms commodifying, complaining about their kids and talking about 1.00

00:54:27.520 how burdensome motherhood is. That's not cool. It's not cute. It's not funny. And there's one,

00:54:33.080 you know, you could be vulnerable. You can share the struggles that you're having. I think there's a way

00:54:38.080 to do that and to try to relate to other mothers without talking about your kids as if they're

00:54:43.280 brats and burdens instead of what they are, which is a blessing. We've also got Jennifer Lawrence, 1.00

00:54:48.480 another progressive. I would absolutely say that Hailey Bieber is progressive. I know some people

00:54:52.180 have said she identifies as a Christian, but she has publicly supported Planned Parenthood very recently.

00:54:57.140 I don't know where she is in her walk, but by every indication that we see publicly, she is a secular

00:55:03.480 progressive. And so I hope that motherhood changes that. It has the tendency to do that for a lot of

00:55:09.880 people. Jennifer Lawrence, definitely pro-abortion, progressive. And yet she said something really

00:55:15.620 important recently about having kids. She has two kids. And here's what she had to say, top five.

00:55:21.880 Having children changes everything. It changes your whole life. It's brutal and incredible. 0.99

00:55:29.080 I didn't know that I could feel so much. And my job has a lot to do with emotion. And they've opened up

00:55:42.500 the world to me. So they've changed my life, obviously, for the best. And they've changed me

00:55:51.880 creatively. I highly recommend having kids if you want to be an actor.

00:56:00.020 I'm so glad that she recognizes that and that she feels that so deeply. It's so true. It opens up

00:56:06.840 different chambers of your emotions and of your heart. And God absolutely, as we've talked about

00:56:14.420 so many times, can use you and sanctify you and strengthen you no matter what stage of life you're in.

00:56:20.760 But we can acknowledge that while also acknowledging this gift of children and parenting,

00:56:26.180 that not only are they a gift in and of themselves because they're little image bearers of God,

00:56:31.280 but they are gifts in what God can do through them in us. And even if these women aren't where we want 1.00

00:56:39.640 them to be spiritually, I think for all three of them that we just discussed, they seem to be pointed

00:56:45.040 in the right direction. And we should be praying for them as well as we pray for everyone to know Christ.

00:56:50.760 And let us also be motivated specifically by Phil Robertson's legacy and the urgency of sharing

00:56:57.340 the gospel with everyone, especially those in our lives. Think of someone who maybe just became a new

00:57:05.580 mom and is especially vulnerable to hearing the truth of who God is and who her true father is.

00:57:11.740 Maybe that's someone in your life that you should specifically be sharing the gospel with and

00:57:15.400 praying for. All right, that's all we've got time for today. We will be back here tomorrow.

00:57:19.180 We'll be back here tomorrow.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - May 28, 2025

Ep 1195 ｜ Phil Robertson’s Legacy, Demi Lovato Goes Normal & Hawaii Thoughts

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