Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1198 ｜ Glenn Greenwald Scandal： A Biblical Rebuttal

00:00:00.000 A disturbing video of prominent journalist Glenn Greenwald circulated X this weekend.

00:00:06.520 His response, as well as the response from many prominent conservative commentators, has left me scratching my head.

00:00:13.900 I will give you my take on the situation and how I think Christians should think through it. 0.86

00:00:18.600 Also, Gallup has found that Republican support for same-sex so-called marriage is the lowest that it has been in 30 years.

00:00:27.280 Happy Noe Covenant month, y'all.

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00:00:46.500 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable.

00:00:48.720 Happy Monday.

00:00:49.600 Hope everyone is having a wonderful week so far.

00:00:52.820 A wonderful start to your week.

00:00:54.380 I like to remind you sometimes at the beginning of the week that the only thing we have to do today is the will of God.

00:01:02.580 That is a quote from Elizabeth Elliott that has given me so much comfort.

00:01:06.480 And I like to add on to a quote by Elizabeth Elliott by saying that all we really are responsible to do is the next right thing in faith with excellence and for the glory of God.

00:01:19.560 So those last stipulations are ones that we've added on over the years.

00:01:24.320 Do the next right thing in faith with excellence and for the glory of God.

00:01:28.900 That can be small private acts of obedience.

00:01:32.580 That can be changing diapers and washing dishes, sending an email.

00:01:37.760 All of this can be done in a way that is excellent, that is glorifying to God.

00:01:44.260 And that is all we are really responsible to do.

00:01:46.860 And the Holy Spirit helps us do those things.

00:01:49.800 All right, before we get into the contents of today's episode, I just want to invite all of you women out there to join my push-up challenge for the month of June. 1.00

00:01:59.140 I'm not even really sure how I started this whole thing.

00:02:02.300 I'm certainly not the first one to do a push-up challenge.

00:02:04.480 I think other people have done this in the past.

00:02:06.360 But I started recording some of my workouts that I do with my husband and started posting about them.

00:02:13.300 Y'all loved that exercise content.

00:02:15.600 And then I started talking about how I have worked back up during postpartum to doing full-body push-ups.

00:02:22.980 And because y'all were interested in that, it just kind of began this whole thing of me doing push-ups every day.

00:02:30.120 And I read that the average woman can only do five full-body push-ups. 1.00

00:02:34.200 And I think it's actually way lower than that.

00:02:36.780 Good form full-body push-ups can be really difficult for women. 1.00

00:02:41.040 I think that the average is probably zero.

00:02:43.100 And if that's where you are, that is totally fine.

00:02:45.860 Everyone can join in this challenge no matter how many push-ups you can do.

00:02:50.180 So I am posting a video today on Instagram to talk about the modifications that I did to work up to being able to do full-body push-ups.

00:02:59.700 And now we are doing 15 push-ups a day in the month of June.

00:03:04.220 I just want to say that I started out saying only 8 to 12 push-ups a day.

00:03:09.420 And then Candice Cameron Bure got on Instagram, tagged me, and was like 15 push-ups a day. 0.99

00:03:16.460 So she upped the ante, and then other people started doing 15 push-ups a day. 1.00

00:03:20.720 And I'm like, what did I get myself into?

00:03:23.180 15 push-ups is a lot.

00:03:25.300 And now I have to record it so I'm accountable to you guys to do 15 push-ups every day.

00:03:30.220 So again, so many modifications that you can do that I will talk about on Instagram.

00:03:35.520 But I just encourage you to join me.

00:03:37.420 I find when I am able to do difficult physical feats, it gives me endurance and confidence in other areas of my life.

00:03:47.560 It reminds me that I can do difficult things that I didn't think that I was able to accomplish.

00:03:52.960 So it's just a fun thing for us to do together.

00:03:56.160 Go ahead and join in, and you can find the details of this challenge on Instagram sometime later today.

00:04:03.200 All right, it is June, which means that to some people out there, it is Pride Month, where you celebrate sexual identities that do not align with God's Word.

00:04:18.140 And of course, as Christians, we don't celebrate that.

00:04:21.200 We understand that all people, no matter their sinfulness, no matter their temptation, are made in the image of God.

00:04:29.480 Therefore, they all have innate worth, and everyone has a soul that will live forever.

00:04:34.780 And the only way for any soul, for any person to be saved is through Jesus Christ.

00:04:40.280 Jesus says in John 14, 6, that I am the way, the truth, the life.

00:04:45.920 No one comes to the Father except through me.

00:04:48.940 Ephesians 2, as we'll talk about more today later in this episode, makes clear that everyone is dead in their sins apart from Christ.

00:04:57.220 Everyone, there aren't different levels of being dead.

00:05:01.580 No matter what your sin is, everyone is dead in their sin apart from Christ.

00:05:06.720 And we all need to be saved by Jesus, by grace through faith.

00:05:10.300 I was reading Colossians 1 this morning, where God through Paul says that all of us were once hostile in mind.

00:05:17.340 We were all once hostile to God.

00:05:19.760 And we had hardened hearts, and we had calloused minds, and we had a conscience that was seared.

00:05:26.220 But Jesus can make us new.

00:05:28.740 He can make us new creations, and he can save us, and he can wipe our slate clean forever.

00:05:33.880 And that is true, whether you are someone who erroneously thinks that pride and undiblical sexuality is something to be celebrated or not.

00:05:46.340 Everyone needs to be saved by Christ.

00:05:48.880 I like to say that this is Noahic Covenant month. 0.93

00:05:52.740 The Noahic Covenant is God's promise to Noah that we read about in Genesis, specifically Genesis 8, 20 through 9, 17.

00:06:00.900 And this was a promise that God made to Noah after he flooded the earth.

00:06:06.300 And the reason that God flooded the earth is because of man's wickedness.

00:06:10.480 Horrible things were happening.

00:06:12.780 Horrible violence was being inflicted on people.

00:06:17.140 And so God said, look, I'm going to preserve this one man and his family.

00:06:21.820 I am going to preserve these animals.

00:06:24.340 But I am going to basically wipe the rest of humanity off of the face of the earth.

00:06:31.780 But after this, God promised that he was never going to flood the earth again.

00:06:36.760 And I love this passage, too, because it just flies in the face of so much of the climate change propaganda that says that, oh, the world is going to burst in flames.

00:06:49.360 We're not even going to have an earth to live on.

00:06:52.640 But God promises that he is sovereign over the existence of the earth and that the world is not going to end apart from God's sovereign will.

00:07:04.420 And then we also read about the rainbow.

00:07:08.740 So Genesis 9, 14 through 15, when I bring clouds over the earth and the bow is seen in the clouds, I will remember my covenant that is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh.

00:07:23.100 The Noahic covenant creates the stable, natural world necessary for God's ultimate redemptive work through the birth of his son, Jesus Christ, sustaining humanity so that the Messiah could enter history to save his people.

00:07:38.540 And that specific quote is from Ligonier Ministries.

00:07:42.040 Hebrews 8, 6 says, but as it is, Christ has obtained a ministry that is as much more excellent than the old as the covenant he mediates is better since it is enacted on better promises.

00:07:55.120 That's amazing.

00:07:55.960 So the promises, the covenant that is made to God's people in the Old Testament, that is just a foreshadowing of the new and better covenant that we get to enter into as God's people through Jesus Christ.

00:08:09.220 So when you see the rainbows around this month, remember that the rainbow is God's, that it is a sign of redemption, that it is a sign of his mercy, that even though mankind has been and still is in so many ways so wicked, that God in his mercy has promised to never flood the earth again.

00:08:31.500 And he has made a way through Jesus Christ for us to be redeemed from our wickedness because Jesus paid the price for that on the cross.

00:08:41.600 And so that is really good news.

00:08:43.420 Also, remember, there is a difference between the rainbow flag that is so wrongly and wickedly used as a symbol of depravity when it comes to the quote unquote pride flag and the actual rainbow.

00:08:56.820 And it's just so fitting in a very dark way that the pride flag has six colors and an actual rainbow that God created as a symbol of his promises has seven colors.

00:09:11.980 So right there, you see a distinction between an earthly counterfeit and God's real genuine goodness.

00:09:20.640 All right, now we've got to get into, I guess, a related story about a very prominent journalist by the name of Glenn Greenwald and a video that was released of him over the weekend.

00:09:35.600 And in the story, for me, it really isn't as much the video itself as the reaction to the video by many prominent Christian conservatives.

00:09:46.100 And this next segment won't be me throwing anyone under the bus that's on our quote unquote side when it comes to, you know, politics and culture.

00:09:56.020 But just giving my perspective of what I think our response should be to a scandal like that as Christians first and foremost.

00:10:04.420 So we'll get into that in a second.

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00:11:43.340 Glenn Greenwald, a lot of you probably know of him maybe because he's been a guest on, say, Megyn Kelly's podcast.

00:11:57.320 I love Megyn Kelly's show or the Tucker Carlson's podcast.

00:12:01.740 I remember watching him as a guest on Tucker's show when Tucker was on Fox.

00:12:05.940 He was always very articulate, but he's not someone that I follow super closely, but he is regarded by many as a renowned journalist.

00:12:14.600 He is best known for his stance as what I would call like a free speech absolutist.

00:12:21.140 He is known for his criticism of governments and governmental agencies, including in the U.S.

00:12:27.100 He really sees the U.S. in many ways and United States institutions as regularly violating free speech rights.

00:12:35.260 In 2013, he published a series of articles in The Guardian that revealed facts about British and American surveillance programs that he found in classified documents that had been leaked to him by Edward Snowden.

00:12:48.320 So all of this might be ringing a bell just a little bit.

00:12:51.180 He is also very anti-Israeli government.

00:12:54.120 He has also condemned J.K. Rowling for her advocacy for women and girls.

00:12:58.960 So you could probably say that he is heterodox in a lot of ways.

00:13:03.420 Now, he used to be seen as squarely on the left.

00:13:05.760 For example, several years ago, Rachel Maddow praised him as like the most fearless journalist on the left.

00:13:14.320 But because he has been critical, really, of various administrations, he has in the last few years been almost exclusively featured by and platformed by more conservative-leaning shows.

00:13:29.080 Now, over the weekend, and by the way, as I said, I'm recording this remotely, so my setup is a little bit different, and I've got all of my notes on my phone.

00:13:37.680 And this is a story and the theological interpretation of this story.

00:13:42.440 I just want to make sure that I am getting exactly correct, so you might notice I'm looking down a little bit more just to make sure that I'm following my notes.

00:13:49.560 Exactly. Over the weekend, a video was leaked that depicted Greenwald, who is openly gay, engaged in very degrading sexual acts with what appears to be a male prostitute. 0.95

00:14:01.520 I did not watch the video. 0.66

00:14:03.920 You do not need to watch the video, but I read a summary.

00:14:07.540 I saw a couple screenshots of what happened, and those screenshots weren't even, like, graphically of any sexual acts that were going on.

00:14:15.400 And we won't get into the graphic details, but in the video, you see that Greenwald is scantily clad in women's clothing and is videoed doing what seems like some kind of humiliation ritual that includes him paying a male prostitute via PayPal.

00:14:33.900 That's what appears to be happening, okay? 0.97

00:14:36.680 Awful, embarrassing, depraved.

00:14:39.500 But after the video was released, Greenwald posted a statement saying this.

00:14:46.120 Last night, videos were released online depicting behavior in my private life.

00:14:51.120 Some were distorted and others were not.

00:14:53.940 It's unclear what is meant by that.

00:14:56.100 He said they were published without my knowledge or consent, and its publication was therefore criminal.

00:15:01.800 Though we do not yet know exactly who is responsible, we are close to knowing, and the motive was a maliciously political one, he says.

00:15:10.760 He goes on to say, as for the content of the videos, okay, this is an important part of the statement.

00:15:16.600 He says, as for the content of the videos, I have no embarrassment or regret about them.

00:15:22.940 The videos depict consenting adults engaged in intimate actions in their private lives.

00:15:29.580 They all display fully consensual behavior, harming nobody.

00:15:35.140 And then he goes on to say, it can be uncomfortable when this happens.

00:15:39.620 The only wrongdoing, he says, is the criminal and malicious publication of the videos in an attempt to malign perceived political enemies in advance of political agenda.

00:15:49.940 And, you know, he emphasizes again, this is private life.

00:15:53.080 Some people are going to be judgmental about my private life, but I'm going to continue doing my work and doing what I do.

00:15:58.280 Now, as I said in the beginning, I would really have no reason to talk about this if it weren't for the response from so many conservatives, including conservative Christians afterward. 0.80

00:16:14.220 And I'm not going to go through all of the people who said various things.

00:16:18.760 A lot of them are people that I consider friends, that I respect a lot, that I will continue to respect a lot.

00:16:24.820 But I did think it was odd and a little surprising that one after another, these conservative commentators very vehemently came to his defense, all saying almost the exact same thing, that whatever he does in his private life is none of our business.

00:16:41.960 He does good work, he does good work, we should respect that, blackmail is wrong.

00:16:46.740 And there also seems to be this idea among a lot of his defenders that this was some kind of conspiracy against them, that someone out there, Israel, it seems to be implied by a lot of people, leaked this footage to embarrass him and to hurt his credibility and to stop him from reporting the truth.

00:17:07.640 And I just found the sudden and overwhelming and very uniform defense of him after this very, very disturbing video came out by many commentators, including Christian commentators, to be strange and very confusing.

00:17:29.560 It almost feels like I missed some kind of like mass email that said, OK, these are the conservative Christian talking points after the Glenn Greenwald sex tape releases.

00:17:40.440 Now, I'm not super familiar with Greenwald beyond him being, you know, a guest on some of the shows that I've watched.

00:17:46.300 I've always found him, you know, very interesting, articulate.

00:17:50.100 But I had no idea that so many conservatives view him as absolutely indispensable to the cause to the point to where they have to defend him after something this grotesque comes out.

00:18:03.840 After this level of degeneracy is published, they felt the need to like rush to his defense.

00:18:11.080 Now, not everyone did this.

00:18:13.420 They didn't all just give like a blanket endorsement of Glenn Greenwald, although some people absolutely did.

00:18:19.840 But then you had some like Jason Whitlock.

00:18:22.380 He's my fellow Blaze TV host that I'm a big fan of.

00:18:25.680 He said, OK, I love his work.

00:18:28.520 Pray for him.

00:18:29.400 I don't like his private actions.

00:18:31.580 OK, like that's a perspective.

00:18:33.360 Certainly it is possible to appreciate what someone does professionally and dislike what they do personally.

00:18:39.780 We do this with artists, for example, all the time, but I still can't get on board fully with that perspective in this situation.

00:18:49.460 Like at the same time, we don't feel the need to rush to defend all of those whose personal lives we condemn.

00:18:58.200 So like when an athlete or a celebrity does something terrible, we might ignore it or we might condemn it and continue appreciating their professional contributions or we might condemn it and then stop supporting them altogether.

00:19:11.920 But you don't typically see conservative Christians going out of their way to straight up defend that celebrity when they say or do something that is awful.

00:19:23.720 So like when a football player beats his girlfriend, for example, this unfortunately happens like with some regularity and the tape is leaked.

00:19:32.320 You don't see a lot of people, Christian or not, rushing out and declaring none of our business, like private life, this private life doesn't affect how he plays.

00:19:42.620 Play ball.

00:19:44.160 Put him in, coach.

00:19:45.420 Love him.

00:19:46.580 Respect.

00:19:47.340 Like you just don't typically see that.

00:19:49.080 No, you would see people say that's terrible.

00:19:52.000 What a waste of talent.

00:19:53.160 Now he needs to go to prison.

00:19:55.040 Bye.

00:19:56.020 So I'm just confused about why we would feel such an urge to so passionately defend someone engaged in the very behavior that we as conservative Christians always condemn.

00:20:09.660 Like cross-dressing. 0.90

00:20:11.500 Prostitution. 0.98

00:20:12.520 It also looked like hard drugs were in the background. 0.96

00:20:15.420 Not to mention homosexuality, which I know that there are plenty of people who we ally with politically who accept this as normal. 0.81

00:20:25.420 They'll say like LGB without the T.

00:20:27.500 But it's not normal.

00:20:29.260 It is functionally sterilizing behavior that damages the bodies and the souls and the societies of those who participate in it.

00:20:35.900 So this guy, Glenn Greenwald, isn't just a journalist who is being platformed regularly.

00:20:43.100 He is a dad of two adopted boys.

00:20:45.360 And like does anyone have any concern for their well-being while their dad is apparently using hard drugs with a prostitute?

00:20:55.420 Like I think it is worth asking that question.

00:20:58.420 It's not a private matter when there are possibly kids that are affected.

00:21:04.720 And I'm not saying that Greenwald doesn't love his sons.

00:21:08.120 I don't know, you know, like what the rest of his fatherhood looks like.

00:21:11.700 But to act like this is just a compartmentalized private act that no one should have any interest in whatsoever, I'm just not so sure that's true.

00:21:21.760 Also, like we can note that he's got a strange past.

00:21:24.940 He met his now deceased partner when he was 38 on a trip to Brazil and his partner was only 19.

00:21:32.340 It's reported that just a few days later they moved in together and, you know, got quote unquote married.

00:21:38.560 Like I would think that was weird if that were a man and a girl, a 38-year-old man, a 19-year-old girl.

00:21:45.300 I would think that's really weird.

00:21:46.660 Like technically legal, but quite the age gap.

00:21:49.100 He also helped run a gay porn business in the early 2000s that is not disputed.

00:21:53.680 He has talked about that himself.

00:21:55.660 So I'm just not sure.

00:21:58.180 I'm just not sure that this whole thing, that the publication of this video was an accident.

00:22:02.680 Like my theory, and I saw that others had the same thought, is that both the recording and the release of this video were done with Glenn's knowledge.

00:22:14.040 I mean, clearly, as was reportedly depicted in the video, Glenn is into degradation.

00:22:20.120 And this is also known, I know this is like very disturbing, but it's important as we're looking at the reaction to this.

00:22:28.220 It's also known as a humiliation fetish.

00:22:30.400 And the only reason I even know that phrase is because the conversations, a lot of you probably remember these, with a journalist by the name of Genevieve Gluck.

00:22:39.700 She founded the outlet Redux.

00:22:42.240 They've done a lot of good work when it comes to calling out how gender ideology and men who identify as women have infiltrated and infected women's spaces and hurt girls as a consequence of that.

00:22:56.240 Two episodes with her that I really encourage you to listen to, and we can put them in the description of this episode so you can click on them.

00:23:05.040 Episodes 636 of Relatable, 702 of Relatable.

00:23:08.920 Those two conversations with her reveal extremely disturbing research into the kind of pornography and chat rooms that fuel much of the transgender trend among men. 1.00

00:23:21.240 It's something called forced feminization or, again, just very disturbing phrases, but also called sissy porn. 0.71

00:23:27.880 And common in this porn is the theme of dressing up as a woman and being forced to do humiliating and degrading things. 0.95

00:23:37.020 And that seems to be what is happening in this scenario, in this video. 0.94

00:23:42.140 I'm not saying that Greenwald is transgender.

00:23:44.440 I'm saying that it seems like he's into some really dark stuff. 0.93

00:23:49.660 And he was filmed not just performing certain acts, but also paying this prostitute via PayPal with an account that looks to be linked to his own name.

00:24:00.540 And all of this was done on what doesn't appear to be like a hidden camera, but a camera that the prostitute is holding right in front of Greenwald.

00:24:08.020 Like, so you are telling me that the journalist who arguably knows more about cybersecurity and cyber privacy than anyone else on Earth accidentally got caught paying a prostitute via his own PayPal account?

00:24:24.460 Like, that's just hard for me to buy.

00:24:27.020 So it seems to me that the release of the video is part of the fetish.

00:24:31.500 That was fairly obvious to me from the beginning as soon as I saw some of the details about this story.

00:24:38.020 Which is why the impassioned and uniform defense of him right out of the gate by so many people on the right just seems strange to me.

00:24:48.120 It just seems strange to me.

00:24:49.520 And while many of them were defending his actions, they were very passionately insisting that everyone separate his sexual depravity from his public work.

00:25:05.040 And, like, neatly compartmentalize it over here and pretend like it has no effect whatsoever on anything over there.

00:25:12.200 And I'm just not sure I can hop on to that.

00:25:15.560 And I understand we've got questions.

00:25:17.660 Well, what about Trump?

00:25:18.880 Or what about this?

00:25:20.020 And I've thought through this myself.

00:25:21.940 I've been thinking about this issue over the weekend, not just in relation to Greenwald, but just in general.

00:25:27.920 Like, where is the line that we draw between private life and public life?

00:25:33.240 When should we care about it?

00:25:35.820 How should Christians think about this? 0.97

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00:26:47.240 So I just don't fully understand why.

00:26:55.980 And I'm sincerely interested in y'all's thoughts and comments about this.

00:26:59.420 But I don't know that I understand why.

00:27:02.520 If Hunter Biden's drug use and his use of a prostitute mattered, this doesn't matter.

00:27:10.180 Now, to be fair, Glenn Greenwald never went after Hunter Biden.

00:27:14.860 And actually, he said, like, oh, I don't think that we should be going after him.

00:27:18.480 So I'm not even saying it's hypocrisy on his part.

00:27:21.000 But a lot of the people just so quickly defending Glenn Greenwald were some of the people going after Hunter Biden and his private behavior.

00:27:29.880 I don't really understand why, if Sam Britton's personal life mattered, Greenwald's doesn't.

00:27:37.740 Now, Sam Britton was the, quote, unquote, non-binary guy who worked in the energy department, who stole women's clothing and taught BDSM sessions at a college. 0.98

00:27:47.660 Like, he was super strange.

00:27:49.260 And I think, like, we should have cared about that.

00:27:51.440 That was bad.

00:27:52.040 That person shouldn't be in the government.

00:27:54.260 And maybe that's what you would say.

00:27:55.540 Maybe you would say, well, that person and Hunter Biden, too, they had to do with our government.

00:28:01.720 And Greenwald is a private citizen.

00:28:04.360 Maybe.

00:28:05.200 OK.

00:28:06.400 And I saw that Greenwald said, well, what about Trump?

00:28:10.280 Like, Trump has his moral issues.

00:28:12.200 Y'all voted for him.

00:28:13.360 What's the difference?

00:28:14.260 This was his response to some questions that Jason Whitlock had.

00:28:18.960 And I thought about that because, you know, that's a fair question.

00:28:23.000 But Trump's lack of sexual ethics does matter.

00:28:28.180 That is absolutely true.

00:28:29.500 They do matter.

00:28:30.560 I don't agree with them.

00:28:32.280 I think they're bad.

00:28:33.500 I think they're poisonous for someone personally.

00:28:35.740 I think they're poisonous for a family, for a community, and could have an effect absolutely on whatever entity a person is leading, including Trump.

00:28:45.060 His reported adultery, his reported objectification of women in the past is sinful.

00:28:49.660 I've said many times, I hope that Trump becomes a Christian if he hasn't already recently.

00:28:54.580 And that I wish that he didn't have the stuff in the past that he does.

00:28:58.740 I've never been one to shy away from that or pretend that that didn't happen or excuse that.

00:29:03.320 But, one, Trump was running for president as one of only two options.

00:29:08.160 The other option in every case was worse in every way.

00:29:11.860 His opponent in all of these elections has also had moral depravity in their past and, on top of that, advocated for absolutely murderous and destructive policies, policies that I don't align with, that I think are bad for children, bad for babies, bad for family, bad for the economy.

00:29:30.040 Two, as far as I know, Trump wasn't engaging in those kinds of sexual sins when he was running for office.

00:29:35.680 Three, and here's where we'll get into some theology about all of this.

00:29:41.860 Not all sexual sin is the same.

00:29:44.700 I said it.

00:29:45.980 Not all sexual sin is the same.

00:29:48.440 Now, let me explain what I mean by that.

00:29:51.600 All sin separates us from God, no matter what it is.

00:29:54.900 Whether it's cheating on a test in sixth grade or telling a lie to your mom or murder or sexual degeneracy.

00:30:01.020 Romans 3, 23 says, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

00:30:06.040 And these sins can be forgiven.

00:30:07.780 So, we've got bad news and good news right there.

00:30:10.340 No matter if it's a tiny lie or if it's years of sexual depravity, the verses after Romans 3, 23 make this clear.

00:30:17.720 For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

00:30:19.780 Then there's verse 24.

00:30:20.760 And are justified by his grace as a gift through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as propitiation by his blood to be received by faith.

00:30:30.240 We are justified, made right before God.

00:30:33.740 Justified.

00:30:34.220 That's such a great word.

00:30:36.560 We are put right with God because of what Jesus has done for us.

00:30:41.620 Which is a gift given to us that we did not earn, that we could not deserve.

00:30:45.780 Ephesians 2, 3 says that we all once lived in the passions of our flesh.

00:30:49.360 All of us once lived in the passions of our flesh.

00:30:51.500 And carried out the desires of the body and the mind.

00:30:54.360 We just did whatever we wanted.

00:30:55.680 But verse 8, in verse 8 we read that we have been saved from that sinfulness by grace through faith.

00:31:02.840 And this is not your own doing, these verses say.

00:31:05.760 It is the gift of God, not a result of work, so that no one may boast.

00:31:11.280 I want you, listener, viewer, to hear this.

00:31:14.240 On the off chance that Glenn Greenwald is listening to this podcast episode, like, I want him to hear this.

00:31:20.220 One, you, all of us, are sinners in need of a Savior.

00:31:24.620 All of us.

00:31:26.020 And two, that Savior is Jesus.

00:31:30.060 And he can save anyone, no matter who you are or what you've done.

00:31:34.460 So all sin separates us from God.

00:31:36.900 And Jesus can get rid of that sin and forever reconcile us to God, make us friends with God, bridge the gap between us and God.

00:31:45.700 But not all sin is the same.

00:31:48.600 Some sin has greater consequences, both personally and societally, than others.

00:31:54.860 Some sin is more disordered than others.

00:31:58.420 So a man cheating on his wife with another woman is sinning.

00:32:02.120 Absolutely.

00:32:02.820 His lust, so even the thoughts that he has in his mind of being unfaithful to his wife and lusting after another woman, those are sins.

00:32:11.260 And consequential actions are also sinful.

00:32:13.660 But a man desiring a woman, in principle, is not inherently disordered.

00:32:20.660 It is natural for a man to desire a woman. 0.73

00:32:23.340 And it is by self-control and love for his wife and Holy Spirit-empowered discipline that he avoids lust and temptation to be unfaithful to the one woman to whom he has committed in marriage.

00:32:37.300 But it is unnatural, inherently unnatural for a man to desire a man or for a woman to desire a woman. 0.83

00:32:44.180 Our bodies don't work that way.

00:32:46.600 Procreation doesn't work that way. 1.00

00:32:48.360 It is actually bad physically, health-wise, for our bodies and for our souls to defy God's design.

00:32:56.020 Here's Romans 1, 26 through 27.

00:32:59.100 And I encourage you to read the entirety of the chapter.

00:33:02.640 But for the sake of time, we'll just stick with these two verses, verses 26, 27.

00:33:06.700 For this reason, God gave them up to dishonorable passions.

00:33:10.420 For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature. 1.00

00:33:14.520 And the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another.

00:33:20.160 Men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

00:33:25.600 And by the way, all of the conspiracy theorists that say that the word homosexuality was added to the Bible in 1946,

00:33:31.920 they always skip over Romans 1 because the word homosexuality is in there, but the actual behavior is described.

00:33:38.620 This was not added into the Bible.

00:33:40.800 This has been there since the beginning.

00:33:42.880 In the garden, God created man and woman.

00:33:45.360 He wed them in marriage.

00:33:46.700 He commanded them to become one flesh, to be fruitful, and to multiply.

00:33:50.800 This original marriage is so significant that Jesus repeats it in Matthew 19, 4 through 5,

00:33:57.040 when he's answering a question to the Pharisees about divorce.

00:34:01.040 He says, he answered,

00:34:02.420 Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female,

00:34:07.220 and said, therefore, a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife,

00:34:12.360 and the two shall become one flesh?

00:34:14.340 So, again, going back to those conspiracy theorists who just weave this narrative about homosexuality being added to the Bible,

00:34:23.240 they never look at the positive definitions of marriage that we see repeated by Jesus himself.

00:34:28.220 This definition of marriage is so significant that God, through Paul, says,

00:34:33.000 The marriage between a man and a woman is an earthly representation of Jesus and his church.

00:34:37.380 Ephesians 5, 31 through 32.

00:34:39.820 Therefore, a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, 0.95

00:34:43.460 and the two shall become one flesh.

00:34:45.120 This mystery is profound, and I am saying that it refers to Christ in the church.

00:34:50.080 Again, I encourage you to read the entirety of that passage.

00:34:53.600 It is so significant, this definition of marriage, of holy sexuality between one man and one woman,

00:34:59.880 that in Revelation 19, all of time culminates in the wedding of a bride, the church, and a groom, Jesus.

00:35:07.580 The Bible starts with a marriage and ends with a marriage, 0.98

00:35:10.840 a marriage between Adam and Eve, that bride and groom,

00:35:13.960 and a marriage between a bride and the groom, which is the church, and Jesus.

00:35:18.620 And everywhere in between, that first marriage and the last marriage,

00:35:22.540 marriages here on earth are representations of Jesus' relationship with his people.

00:35:29.000 The alliteration that I came up with six years ago, I repeat it all the time.

00:35:32.860 I just shared it on Instagram.

00:35:35.060 The definition of marriage, even if you were to say,

00:35:38.120 Oh, we don't need to look at any verses condemning homosexuality,

00:35:41.560 because that context and that interpretation, and that's the Old Testament,

00:35:46.040 even if you were to get rid of all of those verses,

00:35:50.020 holy sexuality and marriage in the Bible is only described positively in one way,

00:35:56.800 and that is between one man and one woman.

00:36:00.260 It's rooted in creation.

00:36:02.060 We see that in Genesis 127, first chapter of the first book of the Bible.

00:36:06.400 It is reiterated throughout Scripture.

00:36:07.880 For example, Exodus 20, 12, you shall honor your father and mother.

00:36:13.020 It is repeated by Jesus himself in Matthew 19, 4 through 5,

00:36:17.140 in that passage that we just read.

00:36:18.820 It is representative of Christ in the church,

00:36:21.160 as we read in Ephesians 5, in that passage we just referenced.

00:36:24.480 And in that way, it is reflective of the gospel, rooted in creation,

00:36:29.500 reiterated throughout Scripture, repeated by Jesus himself,

00:36:32.860 representative of Christ in the church, reflective of the gospel.

00:36:36.520 That is how important, not just physically, for the continuation of mankind,

00:36:42.500 but also spiritually and eternally, the definition of marriage is.

00:36:45.820 That is exactly why when someone decides to deny or to pervert Genesis 127,

00:36:51.660 they eventually deny or pervert John 14, 6,

00:36:55.040 when Jesus says, I'm the way, the truth, and the life,

00:36:57.260 and no one comes to the Father except through me.

00:36:59.500 It's not just this, like, tertiary issue.

00:37:02.220 It is so important to someone's theology.

00:37:06.420 If you can deny creation, then you can deny everything else.

00:37:10.380 Because the gospel is much more controversial than the reality that God made us male and female

00:37:14.820 to be able to physically and spiritually fit together.

00:37:17.400 Homosexuality and transgenderism are forms of sin that fundamentally deny the created order, 1.00

00:37:25.940 that deny the fundamental functions of the body, 0.72

00:37:28.980 deny that we are made in God's image as male and female.

00:37:33.320 A husband can be a wife is just as damaging and nonsensical as a man can be a woman. 1.00

00:37:39.220 A dad can be a mom is just as nonsensical as a woman can become a man. 0.99

00:37:46.480 It's the same math.

00:37:48.140 You'll see the same kind of circular propaganda.

00:37:52.000 Love is love.

00:37:53.300 Trans women are women. 0.90

00:37:54.740 But if you don't define love, if you don't define woman,

00:37:57.680 then you're not really saying anything.

00:38:00.260 Then anything is a woman. 1.00

00:38:02.280 Then anything can be love.

00:38:04.400 Predation, stalking, all different kinds of things can be love

00:38:08.140 if you don't define it.

00:38:10.000 But God is love, 1 John 4, 8.

00:38:12.160 So he has the authority to define it.

00:38:15.420 He says in 1 Corinthians 13, 6,

00:38:17.440 that love, among other things, never rejoices in wrongdoing,

00:38:20.020 but rejoices with the truth.

00:38:22.380 And the truth is that the God who is love made us male and female.

00:38:27.500 And by the way, whatever God does throughout scripture,

00:38:31.760 Jesus participates in too.

00:38:33.860 So you can't separate some verses that Jesus said from the rest of what God does

00:38:39.500 because Jesus is God.

00:38:42.380 You can't love someone and affirm them in their sin.

00:38:45.560 You can't love someone and lie to them.

00:38:47.560 And if you've got more questions about this,

00:38:50.080 then I really encourage you to read Toxic Empathy.

00:38:53.040 I saw on Amazon, it's on sale right now for like 16 bucks.

00:38:57.040 And so I really encourage you to get that.

00:39:00.460 We have a whole chapter on this lie that love is love.

00:39:05.620 And we look at how we should approach this and how we should think about this.

00:39:09.740 Yes, biblically as Christians, but also politically as conservatives.

00:39:13.620 Like what does it even mean to be conservative?

00:39:16.340 What are we actually preserving?

00:39:18.600 What do we stand for?

00:39:20.180 What do we stand against?

00:39:22.180 The difference between us and the left, just politically speaking,

00:39:26.640 is supposed to be that the left just is out to destroy everything.

00:39:29.960 That's why they can be so much more unified

00:39:31.500 because it doesn't matter how you tear down a building, anyone can do it.

00:39:34.860 But conservatives are supposed to be for something.

00:39:37.480 We're supposed to be building something.

00:39:39.160 And that's much harder to do because when you're building something,

00:39:41.560 you have to agree on the materials used

00:39:43.700 and the strategy that you are employing to build it.

00:39:45.960 You have to agree on the foundation.

00:39:47.160 You have to agree on the bricks or the wood or whatever you're using to create this edifice.

00:39:53.800 And that's much more difficult.

00:39:55.340 But it is worth having the conversation, the very fundamental conversation of like,

00:40:00.280 what is our foundation?

00:40:02.320 Do we believe in absolute truth?

00:40:04.000 If so, where does that come from?

00:40:05.580 If we agree that it comes from God, then we should look to him to define other things too.

00:40:09.900 And if someone disagrees with that very fundamental premise of like our conservative foundation

00:40:16.720 or our societal foundation, like then they probably shouldn't be defended, right?

00:40:22.280 At any length.

00:40:24.060 Okay, we've got some good commentary surrounding this though.

00:40:26.820 I was definitely not alone in saying what the heck is like going on here?

00:40:31.720 Like, why are we vehemently defending this guy?

00:40:34.680 So we'll get into that in a second.

00:40:36.200 I just want to remind you about Share the Arrows, y'all.

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00:43:01.140 My friends at The Daily Wire, who I am almost always in alignment with when it comes to

00:43:12.300 our reactions to things, Matt Walsh and Michael Knowles, they have this to say about the situation.

00:43:18.200 Matt Walsh said, Greenwald was asked specifically about the apparent meth pipe in the video,

00:43:22.480 and he didn't deny it.

00:43:23.580 Instead, he said he's proud of his personal life.

00:43:26.100 How can anyone defend this?

00:43:27.380 There are three children in that home.

00:43:29.600 Okay, I didn't realize there were three children.

00:43:30.940 Does anyone really think that a home with hard drug use and male prostitution is an appropriate

00:43:35.900 or safe place for children?

00:43:40.140 It's true.

00:43:40.980 And then he posts screenshots of someone saying, hey, like, there's a meth pipe in this, and

00:43:48.580 he doesn't deny that.

00:43:50.460 Michael Knowles said, so he is kind of playing on the Screwtape Letters.

00:43:56.880 If you haven't read the Screwtape Letters by C.S. Lewis, gosh, it's a short book, but

00:44:01.280 it is jam-packed with just amazing wisdom that makes you think.

00:44:05.740 And so he's kind of playing on that.

00:44:07.240 In this post, he says, tell the patient never to feel embarrassment or regret over supposedly

00:44:11.780 consensual actions between adults.

00:44:13.840 Encourage him to stay true to his own principles, no matter how erroneous.

00:44:17.280 It's your affectionate uncle Screwtape.

00:44:19.620 As we've talked about many times on this show, consent is not the only determinant of morality.

00:44:27.480 Consent-based morality is extremely slippery and superficial.

00:44:32.540 People can consent to things that are immoral.

00:44:35.840 People can consent to things that are awful.

00:44:39.420 We've talked about how, oh, if someone chooses to objectify themselves, or if someone chooses

00:44:45.140 to rent their wombs out for someone who is seeking a surrogate, well, they're consenting 0.99

00:44:51.380 to it.

00:44:51.760 They know what they're doing.

00:44:53.140 It doesn't matter.

00:44:53.800 It's still wrong.

00:44:55.080 Self-objectification is still wrong.

00:44:58.880 So this whole idea that I see a lot of conservatives lashing on to, that while they consent to it,

00:45:05.660 okay, people consent to murder. 0.95

00:45:08.920 People consent to rape if they are the one doing the raping.

00:45:13.020 That doesn't make it okay, okay?

00:45:15.440 And consent is not the only thing that makes something wrong.

00:45:18.140 It's not the only thing that makes something right.

00:45:20.380 There are all different kinds of values and virtues that we use as inputs into making our

00:45:25.120 moral calculations.

00:45:25.960 And that's really what this debate is about.

00:45:27.640 What are those inputs?

00:45:28.880 It seems like we should be able to agree as Christian conservatives on what those should be.

00:45:34.900 Lila Rose, also, I agree with her.

00:45:36.700 She says, sexual ethics matter.

00:45:38.820 What you do in your bedroom does impact other people as well as yourself.

00:45:41.760 There's anxiety that says anything goes sexually is in free fall.

00:45:47.520 Right now, many right-wing elites seem to care more about shielding their friends than standing

00:45:51.900 on principle.

00:45:53.340 That's a recipe to lose the zealous, eager, hungry for truth next generation who can smell 1.00

00:45:57.560 hypocrisy a mile away.

00:46:00.340 She says, don't squander this opportunity.

00:46:02.460 She also brings up different scenarios that have kind of been an interesting gauge over

00:46:08.760 the years when, like, Dave Rubin, for example, he announced that they were using two surrogates

00:46:14.580 to welcome, you know, two boys.

00:46:17.580 And then we had Ashley St. Clair, like, announce her pregnancy, intentional pregnancy with Elon Musk.

00:46:26.300 And there have been several other instances like that.

00:46:30.440 And by the way, like, when I not only did not congratulate Dave Rubin, but made a video

00:46:36.060 explaining why I didn't congratulate and my stance on surrogacy.

00:46:41.960 That was several years ago, kind of when I just started talking about all of that.

00:46:45.660 And when I did not congratulate Ashley St. Clair, and I explained why, like, I fielded a ton

00:46:50.900 of criticism from our own side for that.

00:46:55.880 But I just want to say, like, I do, I still stand by the responses that I had.

00:47:02.020 And over the years, when there have been things like that, when people on my side have said,

00:47:06.220 oh, you just need to congratulate or do this, like, I will say, I don't want to say specifically

00:47:11.680 who, because I don't want to violate their privacy in any way.

00:47:15.160 But a lot of those people on the other side of the situation whom I did not either congratulate

00:47:21.240 or I didn't, like, give in to the endorsement of that behavior, those people have ended up

00:47:27.500 reaching out to me and thanking me for being clear and consistent.

00:47:32.860 And so I don't say that to pat myself on the back.

00:47:35.240 I say that as encouragement to fellow conservatives, that even if you field criticism in the moment,

00:47:42.920 one, it doesn't matter because you are trying to glorify and obey God.

00:47:46.800 But two, it almost always, like, comes back around.

00:47:50.660 And you never regret just standing on principle, biblical principles, and not giving any idea to others

00:47:59.760 that you are compromising for the sake of political alliance.

00:48:04.580 Because I see some people out here, like Billboard Chris, for example, who is not a Christian,

00:48:10.560 who is expressing, he's, if you don't know him, he's, like, an anti-gender ideology activist

00:48:16.060 that works on behalf of the well-being of kids.

00:48:18.340 He seems, understandably, very confused about the conservative Christian reaction to him,

00:48:24.300 like, why so many people are rushing to defense.

00:48:27.280 And it makes me feel sad because I'm wondering, like, what kind of testimony is this

00:48:34.740 when we are the ones that are helping sow the moral confusion when someone who is not a Christian,

00:48:41.620 like Billboard Chris, is like, uh, this is clear.

00:48:44.600 This includes the possible endangerment of kids.

00:48:47.040 Like, why are we brushing this under the rug?

00:48:50.100 Like, I want people to look to Christians and see clarity.

00:48:54.180 And I understand, like, this can be complex when we're talking about politics and we're

00:48:59.380 trying to distinguish between public ethics and private ethics and all of that.

00:49:04.320 And maybe we won't all completely 100% unconditionally agree on everything.

00:49:09.660 But I find this situation to be what should be kind of easy for public conservative Christians.

00:49:17.080 And it ended up being a very surprising scenario.

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00:50:43.680 There's a new study out via Gallup that shows that Republican support of gay marriage declines for the first time in decades.

00:50:57.120 Also, if you're new here, I say, quote on quotes, marriage, or I say so-called marriage because God created marriage and he defines it one way.

00:51:07.220 That's through a man and a woman.

00:51:09.100 So it is not possible, actually, for two men or two women to be married.

00:51:15.780 Ten years after the Supreme Court's Obergefell decision made same-sex marriage legal nationwide,

00:51:22.200 new Gallup polling that was published May 29th shows Republican support has hit its lowest point since Gallup began tracking the sentiment 29 years ago.

00:51:33.180 The numbers suggest that Republican acceptance after the court ruling may have been short-lived,

00:51:37.880 with many conservatives now reverting toward a traditional biblical view of marriage.

00:51:42.520 So just 41% of Republicans now back so-called same-sex marriage down sharply from 55% in 2021 to 2022.

00:51:53.120 Okay, a 14% drop.

00:51:54.960 The 47-point gap between Democrats and Republicans,

00:51:58.560 So 88% of Democrats think gay marriage should have the, you know, the same rights, the same validity as actual marriage.

00:52:07.720 And 41% of Republicans do.

00:52:10.020 It's the biggest divide that Gallup has ever recorded on this issue.

00:52:13.540 Oh, my goodness.

00:52:14.500 When asked about moral acceptability, the split is similar.

00:52:17.620 86% of Democrats versus 38% of Republicans view same-sex relations as morally acceptable.

00:52:26.140 Whoa! 0.71

00:52:27.060 Whoa! 0.71

00:52:27.380 Two-thirds of regular churchgoers reject same-sex marriage,

00:52:31.940 showing that a majority of professing Christians continue to hold the biblical view that marriage is between a man and a woman.

00:52:41.580 Two-thirds is not enough.

00:52:42.840 It should be 100%.

00:52:44.160 We need pastors to be out there simply preaching the Bible. 0.86

00:52:47.680 You don't have to get political to preach through Genesis 1.

00:52:50.300 Public support, both Democrat and Republican, started at 27% in 1996 and gradually increased to 42% by 2004.

00:53:00.740 In 2011, a majority of Americans supported same-sex marriage for the first time.

00:53:06.260 After the Obergefell ruling, public support jumped to 61%.

00:53:09.860 Republicans hit majority support of same-sex, quote-unquote, marriage twice, 55% in 2021 and 2022.

00:53:19.680 Democrat support has reached an all-time high.

00:53:22.000 Here's what's crazy about this is that it makes so much sense why Republicans have moved the way that we have.

00:53:28.880 It doesn't make sense why Democrats have moved the way that they have.

00:53:32.660 Because over the past few years, there has been a movement to simply reveal the kind of indoctrination that is going on in schools.

00:53:42.340 We have seen the grossness and depravity of something like Drag Queen Story Hour. 1.00

00:53:48.300 We have seen the propaganda in books, in school libraries, that not only encourages kids to start thinking about their sexuality at a young age,

00:53:57.720 but to start questioning if they are born in the right body.

00:54:02.480 Okay, we were sold several years ago, before Obergefell, the modern family depiction of what gay unions looked like,

00:54:11.740 that these were just two people who loved each other, just like a man and a woman,

00:54:15.360 who wanted to start a family and adopt poor kids from Thailand and to be able to, you know, be there in the hospital while their loved one is dying.

00:54:25.200 That's how it was advertised to us that it is the exact same as, you know, like, leave it to Beaver, Cleaver, family home in the 1950s.

00:54:35.220 The two people just happened to be in, you know, the same sex.

00:54:38.120 But since Obergefell to now, which is only 10 years, 2015 to now, we have watched it go from that depiction

00:54:45.640 to men dressed in push-up bras and fishnet tights reading stories to children on the taxpayer dime in libraries

00:54:54.740 and parents getting their children taken out of their custody so the state can allow the child to mutilate their genitals 0.81

00:55:03.300 in the name of gender-affirming care.

00:55:06.520 That happened really fast.

00:55:09.520 So as we've seen, the quickness and the destructiveness of the sexual revolution

00:55:15.380 that has its crosshairs on children's bodies and minds,

00:55:22.120 of course, people have started to say,

00:55:24.840 huh, okay, maybe this whole sexual revolution wasn't really about what they said it was about.

00:55:32.480 Like, maybe it is destructive. 1.00

00:55:34.820 Maybe love is love is just as destructive and stupid and deceitful as a man can become a woman. 1.00

00:55:42.320 And so people have started to work their way backwards 1.00

00:55:44.560 and see that when we decided that husbands and wives were interchangeable,

00:55:49.240 that led to the idea that men and women are interchangeable,

00:55:53.400 that boys and girls are interchangeable, and it's caused all of this confusion.

00:55:57.760 So as they've worked their way backwards, they have logically said,

00:56:01.100 you know, maybe it's just better that we realize that a man and a woman are different,

00:56:05.260 that their biology matters, it's meant to complement each other,

00:56:08.040 and the most stable place for kids and for society is for men and women to be married together.

00:56:15.100 Like, it makes sense.

00:56:16.560 But as we've been revealed, just the dark underbelly of transgenderism 1.00

00:56:20.800 and all of this stuff, Democrats have said, I want more.

00:56:24.080 I want more of that.

00:56:26.680 Like, if you don't see the spiritual distinction between the two parties,

00:56:31.520 that's not to say Republicans are perfect.

00:56:32.960 I just spent this whole episode talking about how a lot of conservatives are very morally confused.

00:56:37.540 But there is a clear distinction here.

00:56:39.940 There is a huge distinction between the two parties and the general worldview.

00:56:44.540 You, of the two parties, all right?

00:56:47.380 And, like, I just want us to be grateful for a second.

00:56:50.320 I'm kind of grateful for Gen Z.

00:56:53.240 I think Gen Z Christians actually have a whole lot of clarity on this issue.

00:56:57.220 Not all of Gen Z in general, but those who identify as Christians.

00:57:00.500 I think they have a lot of clarity, maybe even more than, like, the Gen X and the Millennials

00:57:04.680 and some of the Boomers.

00:57:05.500 So good for them.

00:57:07.320 But also, like, I just want to say that a lot of people in our sphere are to thank for this.

00:57:16.820 Like, by the grace of God, I think Rosaria Butterfield and Nancy Piercy and Katie Faust

00:57:23.320 and a lot of the other people that I mentioned today.

00:57:26.340 And I'll just say, I think this podcast and all of you have taken the message of this podcast

00:57:31.400 out into the world.

00:57:32.440 Like, I think that we've made a difference.

00:57:33.980 By the grace and power of God, I think that we have made a difference.

00:57:38.560 That this generation and this age demanded a call for clarity and that a lot of us answered

00:57:46.400 that call.

00:57:46.880 Praise God.

00:57:48.140 Praise God that he uses those who are willing, but without him would be unqualified to be vessels

00:58:03.180 of the goodness and the mercy and the truth of God.

00:58:07.540 So I just want to encourage you, whether you have a public platform or not, keep going.

00:58:11.820 Keep going.

00:58:13.380 Keep going against the pushback.

00:58:15.180 Keep going against the persecution.

00:58:17.580 Keep going against those who call you all kinds of names for standing up for what is

00:58:23.300 good, right, and true.

00:58:24.060 If you love your neighbor, then you believe and you advocate for the reality that God's

00:58:29.200 ways are better.

00:58:30.500 All right, guys, that's all we've got time for today.

00:58:32.940 We'll be back here tomorrow.

00:58:45.180 We'll be back here tomorrow.

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Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - June 02, 2025

Ep 1198 ｜ Glenn Greenwald Scandal： A Biblical Rebuttal

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