Ep 1207 ｜ Therapy Whistleblower Exposes Forced Sexual Rituals at Catholic University ｜ Naomi Epps Best
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1 hour and 4 minutes
Summary
Naomi Best is a student at Santa Clara University, a Catholic university in California, where she is receiving her Master s in Marriage and Family Counseling. She is now sounding the alarm about the disturbing sexual content in the classes that she is required to take to graduate.
Transcript
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Naomi Best is a student at Santa Clara University, a Catholic university in California, where
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she is receiving her master's in marriage and family counseling.
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She is now sounding the alarm about the very disturbing sexual content in the classes that
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She is telling her story to us today and the consequences she has had to endure for speaking
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Naomi, thanks so much for taking the time to join me.
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So I go to Santa Clara University, which is a Catholic school, and I am training to become
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And before we get into your story, I want to hear a little bit more about you.
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I know you're a Christian, but how did you become a Christian?
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In 2019, I think it was 2019, I heard the gospel for the first time from you, and I bought
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a Bible, and that's the first time I had held a Bible.
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And what has the journey looked like since then?
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I think coming to faith has been so spiritually nourishing and also psychologically helpful
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I was living with no faith, and it gave me anxiety, to be honest.
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I felt this existential dread and lack of meaning in the world and my purpose and fear, a lot
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of fear and confusion about what's going on in the world.
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And having a relationship with God and even if folks just want to call it a higher power
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because I'm speaking to secular people too, that's my background.
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And I'm guessing that your faith had something to do with your issue, with what was going
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on at your university, what is going on at your university, Santa Clara.
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What went down and why you decided to speak up about it?
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So one of the final classes I have to do to graduate is called human sexuality, and that
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is a requirement for marriage and family therapists in California to have some education on human
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But when I first enrolled in this course in summer of 2024, I dug into the syllabus and
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I was shocked by the sexual ethic that was being not just presented but promoted.
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I immediately discovered sadomasochistic erotica.
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So for those who don't know what that is, sadomasochism is folks getting pleasure off of inflicting
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pain on another person, and then some folks receive, you know, drive pleasure from being
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So this woman, it was a marital dispute between a husband and wife, and she got upset so she
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And this is in a book that you were required to read?
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So she took off her collar, which is a symbol of submission and terms of agreement or something
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And, you know, I, to me, if there is a terms of service and then you take off your collar,
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it seems like the terms of service no longer apply.
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But her, you're saying as a punishment for that, her husband arranged for her to be gang
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And this was a lesson or an, like an idea, a concept, a story, a firsthand account, right?
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She goes, oh, and I presented my this way and my that way.
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But I know that you're just showing like this is the kind of pornography that you were being
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And as a person, but also as a Christian, you took issue with this, right?
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I mean, having to affirm non-judgmentally folks being gratified by inflicting violence
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upon another person offends how I see the dignity of the human soul.
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And they said, well, you might see this in therapy one day.
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The chair said that this is an inoculation to sexual content that we might one day come
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And I'm thinking to myself, if a client comes in and they're describing that they're engaging
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It's another thing to read titillating BDSM erotica.
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So they're saying if you have a couple that you are talking to that is into that kind
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of thing, the submissive, dominant, wearing collars, gang rape, like you need to be prepared
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for that so you don't look shocked in front of the couple that is coming to therapy for
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Presumably that's the steel man argument for this curriculum.
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What I try to tell the program over the course of almost a year is that I understand that
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there is a wide breadth of human sexual behavior.
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And yes, it'll be important for me to be able to listen as a therapist if somebody comes
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to me and says that they are partaking in these practices.
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It does not require me to engage in the reading of erotica that is meant to titillate.
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And also, I don't have to affirm BDSM uncritically as a therapist.
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And there's a big push in therapy programs right now to affirm and accept and suspend judgment
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for anything sexually as long as there is legal consent.
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And I just reject that that is the proper way to do therapy.
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And if somebody is partaking in a particular practice, that does not make them less valuable
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And in this case, I mean, we're talking about rape.
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And so this is where like the consent-based model for morality or the consent-only-based
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model for morality is really slippery because they're presenting you with this situation that
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You might run into this and you should have no shock.
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But that woman isn't technically, I mean, she's not consenting.
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I guess they could say, well, she consented at some point to being submissive and that
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And that's why it's not enough to just say, well, technically she consented.
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It's still wrong and violative and probably illegal.
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Just because somebody gives legal consent does not make that psychologically healthy.
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That is part of my job, presumably to help a client identify what is healthy for them.
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And that has been a gaping hole in my education.
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I am not provided an education in how to discuss these issues with clients.
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Okay, so first, I know we're going to get into more of the courses and the things that
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you were required to read and then what you did in response to that.
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But you picked Santa Clara University, which is a Jesuit university, right?
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And a Jesuit, that's a subset of the Catholic Church.
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And they typically are known to be, I think, a little more progressive.
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Part of the reason I chose to go to a Catholic university is because I thought that there
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would be tolerance for the Christian worldview.
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Okay, so you had this course that highlighted BDSM.
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Was that the first thing that you were introduced to that was that sexually explicit that made
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you stop and say, I don't want to participate in this?
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I was reading the syllabus and I saw where the content was going and I saw the ethos.
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Of the curriculum, which is admittedly something I was concerned about because this is a cultural
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And I'm not naive to the fact that therapy culture is extremely progressive.
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And so I was concerned that the consent-only based ethic was going to be the prevailing norm.
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So I stayed in that class for all of two classes because the second class I was put into a group
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of people, four people, one of whom was a man, and we were asked to discuss our masturbation.
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Also in that class, the final exam was an eight to 10-page comprehensive sexual autobiography.
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So they were asking us to answer questions like, when did we first start masturbating?
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So when I read that, I said, no, I'm not writing my sexual inventory for anybody to read.
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So I tried to get an accommodation, and I was denied.
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The chair said that this requirement has been in place since the 1980s, and this is a violation
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of the American Psychological Association's ethical codes.
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Ethics code 7.04 bars psychologists from requiring students to self-disclose, particularly sexually.
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This was a required book that you were reading.
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And when you went to the chair and you asked, hey, is there any way that I cannot be a part
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And you were met with, this is how it's always been.
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She said that Muslim students had been given the accommodation to take the course remotely,
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but they still had to complete the comprehensive sexual autobiography, read the erotica.
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And as well, there was a pornographic illustration guide that was openly hostile to the Christian
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It was written, quote, as revenge for my Catholic upbringing, something like that.
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Um, in this, there were just crude illustrations of all sorts of sex acts with however many
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I think that it is probably illegal to force me to consume pornography.
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But I mean, we're talking about marriage and family therapy.
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There is no, you know, something that you said I thought is an important point here is
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that it's one thing to learn about things in a clinical setting or something that is written
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But you're saying that the materials that you had to read were purposefully titillating.
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So it was supposed to be turning people on and re, I mean, this is what pornography does.
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It rewires your brain to desire certain things.
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And so that's the kind of content that you were being forced to read.
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And have we not learned that people don't like forced inoculations?
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And I would just think about those though that don't have your same value system who did start
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reading this and who knows like what dark path of pornography this puts people down.
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And I have a hard time believing that the Muslim students were reading this stuff and
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participating in an autobiography talking about their sexual journey and their erotic goals.
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And if so, and if they were mandated to do that, that's highly concerning.
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So you wrote about this in the Wall Street Journal.
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And you wrote an op-ed detailing everything that went on that you weren't able to get
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They basically said, no, you have to take this course.
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So like I said, this is a required course to graduate.
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So once I dropped the course after being asked to talk about my masturbation, I re-enrolled
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Eventually, this different professor with a new syllabus, I reached out to him and I said,
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hi, Muslim students have been given the accommodation to do this course remotely.
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I would like to have that accommodation, please.
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And instead of granting the equal accommodation, he scheduled a Zoom meeting with me and he promised
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a atmosphere of professionalism and no required sexual disclosure.
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And I tried to keep my head down and get through it.
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But the events that took place in that class were so shocking.
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Um, we were asked to write things down that we dislike about our genitals or breasts.
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Um, but we were to write it down and then the professor gathered them up, shuffled them
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Or, or you like, did you have to mix and match?
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So I read something that somebody else disliked about their genitals.
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I mean, the teachers just sound like perverts and they're forcing their students to play
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I'm not going to call anybody a pervert, but you can.
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I mean, I'm just saying, I'm just deducing some things here.
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There was also, um, this guest psychologist came in and said, quote, only trans women
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No, I mean, if they said it and you were forced to hear it.
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Um, yeah, I'm, I'm just reporting what's going on in therapy classrooms.
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People are going to come at me and say that I'm a culture warrior.
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I was just trying to get my degree to become a therapist.
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And I think that the fact that this is a elite education at a Catholic school is relevant
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Okay, so when you're in that class, as you said, you re-enrolled.
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What did you do when you were met with those assignments that you didn't agree with?
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Well, I kept my head down until this final class where we were shown a sex dungeon tour.
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So a female influencer was brought into a commercial sex dungeon.
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She was flogged, gagged, wrapped in plastic, had a knife drug across her upper chest area,
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made to jump up and down to humiliate herself, put in a guillotine.
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And watching somebody derive sexual gratification by humiliating and harming another individual
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was so disturbing to me that at the end of the video, the professor goes,
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And at that point, I just stood up and I said, no, I'm not doing this anymore.
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Did you ever talk to any fellow students who felt the same way as you?
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He DM'd me on Instagram and he said something to the effect of,
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I'm so sorry that you had an emotional reaction because I did.
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And, you know, I think that the way that he presented this material was inappropriate.
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So I walked out of the class and I emailed the professor or sorry.
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No, I emailed the chair and the dean what had happened.
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I would like the remote accommodation that Muslim students were given.
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And they said, no, drop the class or we'll drop it for you.
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So they gave these Muslim women an accommodation, but not the Christian woman.
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So I asked for a refund and the chair said, the fact that you're expecting a refund is astonishing.
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I also have things to share that are astonishing that just happened.
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I've been deeply concerned about ideological capture and therapy, and I've been writing
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Um, part of that research has been reaching out to people who have been raising these concerns.
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So Dr. Sally Sattel, who I know, you know, is a psychiatrist and she has been writing about
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ideological capture and psychiatry for 20 years.
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So when I saw her writing, I was so relieved and I reached out to her and bless her heart.
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She took me under her wing and said, Naomi, this is important.
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I submitted it to the Wall Street Journal and they ran the story and it's amazing.
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I'm super grateful because I'm not, this isn't just a student grievance.
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This is relevant to everybody who trusts therapists implicitly with their psyche, with their children's
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I mean, this is the training that we're getting.
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I want to say, I am standing on shoulders of people who have been ringing the alarm bells
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I think that this op-ed struck a nerve because of the, probably because of the sexual nature
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Even in California, even at a Jesuit university, it's just hard to believe that there wouldn't
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be any sense of embarrassment or shame by these professors.
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It's just completely unapologetically showing people BDSM porn in class and somehow trying
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to loosely justify it by saying, well, one day maybe a client of yours could be into this
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And I do want to say that the person was clothed until they were wrapped bare in plastic, but
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It's the, the inoculation is to watching people harm one another and get off on it.
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So when you asked again for this accommodation a second time, you were given a one-time exception
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that you can withdraw and pay out of pocket for continuing education.
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And add extra units to graduate without a tuition refund.
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So that was the only recourse that you were given.
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Um, I took the continuing education course in human sexuality.
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And that's one thing that the, the university keeps stating, this is standard across programs.
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One, I don't think that it is because it violates ethical codes.
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And the content is so egregious and over the top.
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If it is true that this is going on all over the country, that's even worse.
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And you were also required to take a course called multicultural counseling.
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So multicultural counseling, the, the goal of the course is to increase competency in speaking
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One of our textbooks was Robin DiAngelo's White Fragility.
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Um, for those who don't know, critical theory is essentially a worldview that, um, dismantles
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and subverts what they view as the oppressive hegemonic power structures of the age.
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Um, so part of that course, I had to start mock therapy sessions by saying something like
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Um, I just want to start by acknowledging that I'm white and, um, I see that, you know,
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you're a person of color and I may make missteps and misunderstand you and please feel free to
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Therapists will make missteps and make assumptions and make mistakes.
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You don't need a race-based warning at the beginning of therapy.
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If a client wants to come and they're a person of color and they're like, hey, you know,
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I'm worried that you might misunderstand me because you're white.
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And it's assuming because you are white, you will make mistakes and you cannot understand
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That seems to me, if I had a therapist who was apologizing and going ahead and telling
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me that they're going to make a mistake, which again, everyone's human.
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But telling me that they're probably going to misunderstand me because we're so different.
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I'm like, I don't think that I want you to be my therapist anymore.
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But it's kind of a form of self-punishment and self-humiliation for white people.
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And you were taught that linear thinking and delayed gratification, making a plan for the
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future, that these were all examples of white culture.
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It's called Counseling the Culturally Diverse by Daryl Dwing Stu.
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And on my sub stack, I'm writing about these issues and pulling out exactly what's being
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taught to therapists because it's in the public's interest to know.
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He says that part of white culture is what you just listed.
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Essentially, anything that will lay the foundation to be a successful person is whiteness.
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I mean, he taught – the book is full of critiques on whiteness and then he says this
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So, I mean, I could put two and two together, I think.
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So, as a therapist, like if you're like talking to someone who is addicted to instant
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gratification, which is not good, by the way, like you – say there were a so-called person
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of color, a racial minority, they're saying that you shouldn't say, hey, like let's
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Let's talk about making a plan for the future instead of just doing what you want in the
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Well, Allie, I would never impose my whiteness on somebody.
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That's what they're saying that you would be doing.
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And I don't think – because it's really interesting.
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In the program, there's the true believers and then there's the go along to get along
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I think that the professor who was teaching this course was going along to getting along,
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which begs the question, why aren't you standing up and using critical thinking and
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And there are very few incentives for critical thinking.
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In fact, you are incentivized by power and by money to not critically think and to not
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That's a horrifying realization for me because if somebody is working in a specific industry,
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I'm not going to dunk on some industry, but therapy, come on, we're called to be people
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It's all of these psychologists who are just failing me and I'm watching moral cowardice
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Okay, we missed one thing when it came to the sexuality subject.
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Because it wasn't just adult sexuality that y'all focused on.
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Y'all also talked about children and the belief that a child can transition to the opposite
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And y'all were told that that's something that you had to uncritically affirm, right?
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So we were taught that if a child comes to us and they are experiencing extreme gender-related
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And I have compassion for people who have a deeply felt incongruence between their sex
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and how they perceive themselves and want to be perceived.
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I am trained that for when a child comes into my practice, let's say they're 12 or 13, and
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they say, let's say that they're a girl, and they say, I am a boy.
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It's my ethical obligation in this profession to affirm them in their belief and to not act
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That is what I am taught at this university, and that is what is being propagated down from
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the psychological governing bodies in this country.
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Which is so sad because I've talked to so many detransitioners.
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And every single one says that there was a therapist who didn't ask questions, that checked
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off the boxes, and these therapists are so often hand-selected by the local gender clinic
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and then recommended by the local gender clinic.
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And so you're only going to the therapist that will completely, uncritically affirm this
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And if they say, you know, I also am anorexic, or I also have bipolar disorder, or I'm also
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on the autism spectrum, the therapist is not supposed to question whether that person really
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has gender dysphoria or whether they are really transgender.
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They're supposed to ignore all of that and say, yes, here is your letter of recommendation
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to go on puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones, get your breasts cut off, even as a teenager.
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That is what not everyone in the therapy world, but a significant chunk of the therapy world
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is doing today, and it sounds like it's because that is exactly what they are taught to do
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And there are great therapists out there who will ask deeper questions and will walk
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with a child who has gender dysphoria and provide them good care.
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But those individuals are going against the ethical standards and guidelines in our profession,
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So what happened after the Wall Street Journal piece was published?
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So meanwhile, part of a requirement for me to graduate is a nine-month-long internship,
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this nonprofit, and I was about to start working with them.
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So after this comes out, I get an email, need to discuss Wall Street Journal.
00:34:15.680
But I talked to the director, and I explained everything in detail.
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And he goes, you know, I think you sound really reasonable, actually, and I want to keep you on.
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I am then summoned a couple days later to a 15-on-one struggle meeting.
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And during this meeting, I was – essentially, character attacks were lodged at me.
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It was colleagues, so peers, so therapists in training.
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The director because he – and I have so much compassion for this guy.
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But he called this meeting because I think he thought like, oh, well, she sounds reasonable.
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Let's just get her together with everybody else.
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They called me, yeah, like a danger to the profession.
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They – somebody brought a written statement to pass around to everybody, like taking down my arguments and whatnot.
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I'm like, can we just sit here and have a conversation about it?
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And I bared my soul to a group of 15 therapists.
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And I'm going to share this publicly once and never talk about it again.
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The reason that I think that we must analyze the BDSM culture critically is because it comes from a place of lived experience.
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I have experience with somebody who garnered sexual gratification from my pain and humiliation.
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And I know that legal consent does not mean that something is psychologically healthy.
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And I'm speaking about this to therapists, saying intimate details about what I've gone through.
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And instead of compassion, understanding, nothing.
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And I – one woman said, violence – it's not violence if it's consensual.
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So, you know, and I share that not to – not for your audience's sympathy whatsoever.
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I'm in a happy, healthy marriage and that is way behind me.
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But that's the – that's the capital in this culture is your lived experience.
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And I'm saying, hey, I do have lived experience, but it doesn't matter because it goes against the orthodoxy.
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And that is such a terrible but perfect example of, like, the problem with toxic empathy is that you were told in all these courses, you have to have empathy for the person who likes BDSM.
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You have to have empathy for the man who orders the gang rape of his submissive wife who violated their terms of agreement.
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You have to have – that's – I mean, that's literally –
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Like, you need to have empathy for that person and that's why we're showing you these things.
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But when it was the opportunity for them to have empathy for you, nothing.
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And Abigail Schreier, who is also – she wrote the book Bad Therapy.
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And I remember when I was still writing my book, she talked about this problem of empathy and how actually empathy taught in schools, it has been found to make the students meaner.
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Because when you have such intense empathy for one particular victim or one particular misunderstood person, your cruelty and your anger towards the out group, anyone who opposes that perceived victim, is really, really intense.
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And so because they feel so much for the, you know, misunderstood BDSM person or whatever it is.
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Yes, and because you are opposing them, it's almost like – it's almost like a mama bear reaction.
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They have, like, this mother-like protectiveness of the sexual degeneracy in people who practice it, who they perceive as oppressed.
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And they see you as violating that, endangering that, oppressing that.
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And Abigail Schreier, she said, full of empathy and mean as hell.
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And I'm like, yes, that characterizes so many progressive activists.
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And I call it misplaced mothering because a lot of them, not all of them, but a lot of them don't actually have physical children.
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And so they are placing their natural parenting, mothering or fathering instincts on these, you know, purported victims, these marginalized people.
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And it makes them very angry at anyone who opposes them, even when you share your lived experience.
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And I went in knowing what was going to happen because I have been researching the ideological frameworks that is underpinning all of this.
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But I went to the meeting as an anthropological exercise to understand this more fully.
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And to hear, to sit in the hot seat and see what it feels like, to actually be exiled by colleagues and by therapists who are trained to listen and understand.
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But there was no listening or understanding in that meeting at all.
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So after the meeting ended, the director, you know, he and I talked one-on-one and I cried.
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You balanced your own experience with your philosophical concerns, blah, blah, blah.
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Two hours later, I get a call from him and he says, it's not tenable for you to continue at the organization.
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And it is because of the intolerance of my staff.
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And I think that your writing is important and you should keep doing it.
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That was so interesting to me because this person, he has the compassion.
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But he is bound by the fealty to the sociopolitical orthodoxy.
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And I just want to say to that professor who probably was at one point, like, a reasonable guy who maybe was courageous enough to stand up for his own views.
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I just want to say, like, you don't have to submit.
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And as you are showing, yes, it might be difficult.
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You also, or I saw that the university sent an internal letter, right?
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An internal email to the Board of Fellows after your Wall Street Journal piece came out, you know, saying people are concerned by this.
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Dear members of the Board of Fellows, thank you to those of you who have inquired about or shared your concerns with me about the op-ed published in the Wall Street Journal by a Santa Clara University graduate.
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I've attached to you a copy of the university's statement, which helps clarify that this course fulfills a state of California licensure requirement for marriage and family therapists.
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The course content, they said, all of the sexual stuff that we were just talking about is similar to all other graduate programs across the state that must adhere to these requirements.
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I know that each of us cares deeply about the experience of every student at Santa Clara University.
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Our faculty and staff take great care to let students know that they understand the sensitive nature of the topics addressed in this course and that they are committed to addressing together any concerns any students may have.
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And I wrote a response to this, to their PR statement.
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They have such disrespect for their fellows and their alumni.
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They, they're claiming that there was no required sexual disclosure.
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Because I was required to write something down that I dislike about my genitals to have it read aloud to the class.
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And, you know, another thing is like, oh, we take every concern really seriously.
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I have been trying to break through to the administration for a year, for a year.
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I have letters to the dean, the provost, the president, campus ministry, title nine, the ombudsman.
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I have literally done everything in my power to resolve this quietly.
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And if President Julie Sullivan got my letter and in that letter I said, hey, this is putting Santa Clara University at legal and reputational risk.
00:46:00.420
If she had just sat down with me and was like, oh my gosh, thanks for letting me know that this is happening and we'll fix it.
00:46:08.960
We could have all ridden off into the sunset, but that's not what happened.
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A lot of people are commenting on your story that this is bigger than the therapy world.
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People are commenting that they've seen similar things even in seminaries.
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I'm sure in more like progressive seminaries, there's someone named, and I might get his last name wrong, Niji.
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Maybe that's how you pronounce it, Charles Niji.
00:46:31.700
He is the author of White Shaming, Bullying Based on Prejudice, Virtue, Signaling, and Ignorance.
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He highlighted that this issue also goes into all realms of higher education beyond just therapy.
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And he suggests that universities are, you know, increasingly kind of incorporating the very explicit material that you're talking about.
00:46:53.180
And it's, you know, as much as I like to steel man people's positions and to accurately represent them, I can't see like any other, any other justification for this, any other reason for this beyond them wanting their students to be into that kind of stuff.
00:47:13.100
To be into sexual depravity, to like it, to rewire their brain so that we have a bunch of like sexually degenerate sadomasochistic people walking around.
00:47:24.340
And I don't know if it's a fetish or if it's something bigger and ideological, but it's very deeply disturbing.
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Like you want to steel man and, you know, assume the best motives.
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Like, can you give me a pedagogical justification for this, please?
00:47:47.480
And another thing that, you know, a conclusion that I've had to come to is this professor in my class where he showed the BDSM stuff, he talked openly about attending these BDSM kink festivals.
00:48:02.460
And then, so it's like, okay, you're interested in sadism, sexual sadism, and then you're asking us to publicly humiliate ourselves sexually.
00:48:19.700
Okay, on June 17th, the dean of Santa Clara, Sabrina Zirkle, sent a letter to you basically trying to refute your claims.
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Saying that the university provided you with multiple accommodations that you declined.
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They said that they offered an independent study option with the same syllabus and course assignments, but completing them independently and outside of a group setting.
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She said that they gave you the option to find a course offered at an MFT program at another institution that would transfer the credits and a special exception allowing you to complete this content through approved continuing education classes offered by a third party provider.
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Yeah, I mean, sure, they offered me the accommodation to read the sadomasochistic erotica and write the comprehensive sexual autobiography in the comfort of my own home.
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And, like, sure, I'll take the one-time exception to complete the sex class somewhere else and transfer it in.
00:49:30.440
I want them to be held accountable for institutionalized sexual harassment of every other single student because it's wrong.
00:49:38.540
And I just want to clarify because when you did ask to take the course online, like Muslim students had, and you were told no.
00:49:47.640
But she's saying that they did offer you to be able to do that.
00:49:51.980
So originally, in summer 2024, I was offered the remote accommodation to complete with the same syllabus, though.
00:50:01.740
So I didn't get around talking about when I first started masturbating.
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And then the second time that you took the class, because you dropped the class, you had to re-enroll in the class.
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That's when you were like, okay, if I have to do it, then let me do the original option that you gave me.
00:50:21.820
So she's telling a half-truth here, is that you were offered that at one point.
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But then when you asked for it again the second time around, after it got so bad, they told you no.
00:50:35.280
And then the university also is trying to dispute your claims about the sexual autobiography assignment.
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They said, this is their, this is their defense.
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Please note that you are not required to disclose anything that causes extreme discomfort.
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Just like, you can be a little uncomfy, but not extreme.
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However, I urge you to share as deeply as you feel comfortable.
00:51:01.540
But you still have to talk about your sexuality.
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Like, you can't talk about going on a walk in a park.
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But the assignment started with, describe chronologically your sexual past and present.
00:51:12.520
There's no accommodation for those uncomfortable with the prompt to begin with, right?
00:51:18.660
And, you know, another thing they said, they're like, well, you didn't have to do, like, you didn't have to talk about when you first noticed your genitals if you wanted to talk more about, like, your masturbation habits.
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But I'm asked to complete an 8 to 10 page comprehensive sexual autobiography for a grade.
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There's no getting around the essence of that assignment.
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And to say that there's no required sexual disclosure, it's a lie.
00:51:49.980
The university literally says, under no circumstances were you required to disclose sexual memory, sexual experiences, or any other personal information.
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And I don't, like, this is something that I'm wrestling with.
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Why is this so important to them, this sexual autobiography assignment?
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And because they want people to recall sexual memories from when they were a child.
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So they also said, um, they're disputing your account of what happened in class based on
00:54:14.500
So the kind of people that told you that your experiences don't matter and your perspective
00:54:19.960
We also do not agree with your assertions about and characterization of what occurred
00:54:24.360
The class content necessarily examines numerous aspects of human sexuality because understanding
00:54:30.300
these issues is an essential part of preparing students to become licensed therapists.
00:54:34.280
So they didn't actually specifically dispute what you said happened in class that you had
00:54:42.840
They just said it didn't happen exactly like you said.
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Apparently it's essential information for me to learn as a therapist that trans women have
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You, I don't know if you can sense my exasperation.
00:55:05.200
Do they, like, do you still not understand how serious I am about this getting fixed?
00:55:11.780
This also, this letter came 11 days after your Wall Street Journal op-ed was released, which
00:55:17.700
means they probably hired a lawyer and a publicist.
00:55:22.660
And, you know, they were doing their very best at damage control.
00:55:32.280
And it's, for the students who are too scared to speak up, for the really smart, critically
00:55:37.820
thinking students who want to be therapists one day.
00:55:41.900
It's important that people know that if you want to be a good therapist, which means someone
00:55:47.380
who actually understands psychological and sexual health and who has a good moral compass
00:55:52.380
and is grounded, you should not go to a university like Santa Clara University.
00:56:04.120
I want people to know that this field is actually on the brink of collapse.
00:56:10.200
And it is happening slowly and then all at once.
00:56:17.140
Because critical thinkers, people of faith, people with diverse worldviews, they're being
00:56:26.020
And one woman I spoke to, her name is Susanna Alexander.
00:56:31.500
She does a ton of research about the accreditation bodies that license therapists.
00:56:49.820
There is incentives for KCREP to become the accreditor in every single state.
00:56:59.300
And they are completely ideologically captured.
00:57:02.720
In fact, FAIR, the Foundation Against Intolerance and Racism, just filed a civil rights complaint
00:57:07.940
against KCREP for religious discrimination, ideological compliance, and a whole gamut.
00:57:27.720
The public needs to know that this field is in crisis, in complete crisis.
00:57:33.260
And we need to have an honest conversation right now about where we go from here.
00:57:38.480
Because there is a mental health crisis as well in our country.
00:57:41.840
So where the heck do people go to get good, quality, evidence-based care?
00:57:50.400
So you're no longer a part of that nonprofit that you were a part of.
00:57:57.800
And in that email from the dean, she said, you know, we're committed to graduating you.
00:58:03.920
I'm sure they want to get rid of me at this point.
00:58:05.680
And that's probably the best way for them to do it with least exposure.
00:58:13.180
Because I think that this world needs therapists who can think critically and who have a strong
00:58:20.700
I am also going to continue bringing light to this issue and holding the leaders of the
00:58:33.340
I've been interviewing leadership, American Psychological Association leadership, bringing
00:58:40.400
So I'm going to keep writing about it, keep reaching out, and hopefully warn people that
00:58:46.640
this is a crisis that needs addressing, like right now, right now.
00:58:54.760
You know, my family is so supportive of me that I think I'm crazy, like for exposing myself
00:59:15.600
And I've been put in this position now where I'm having the opportunity.
00:59:20.580
My husband is walking my baby at the beach right now as we speak.
00:59:35.060
My dad goes, God, it's so hard having firecrackers for children.
00:59:42.040
Because you just can't help but speak up when something's wrong.
00:59:49.540
And I think I want to say to everybody who knows this is wrong, who is in the field, speak
01:00:10.620
People are allowed to exist with diverse worldviews.
01:00:14.900
It's time to stand up for our right to think critically.
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And look, now is the moment because things have shifted.
01:00:26.600
People are less tolerant of progressive nonsense.
01:00:33.980
I'm over the indoctrinated institutionalized sexual degeneracy.
01:00:39.060
And I am over progressive activists and professors and institutions thinking that they can operate
01:00:52.940
I'm talking Democrats, moderates, independents, people from across the spectrum.
01:01:00.600
I'm not saying that you're the first to talk about the problems with therapy, but specifically,
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And people listen to this and watch this and they say, okay, this is my moment.
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But just know like there are a lot of us out there that are willing to support you, pray
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And that's what all like sharing the arrows is, you know, I talk about a lot.
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That's what it's all about to say, oh, you're attacking this person for their faith.
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And like that is like a hard, scary place to be and they hate it, but it's also a very
01:01:54.260
And that's like where the trust and the sovereignty of God comes into play because it's like, okay,
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God, like I am immortal until you call me home and you've got me.
01:02:06.620
I mean, I think just to close it out, like, um, thank you.
01:02:12.440
You are one of the people who paved the way for me demonstrating you can speak up.
01:02:17.620
You are allowed to exist with your beliefs and, you know, raise a respectful ruckus, do
01:02:27.900
Um, because if you have your, your integrity and you're saying the truth with love, you just
01:02:40.020
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And I know that there will now be thousands and thousands of people who watch this, who
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