Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1208 ｜ House Inhabit on God, Karen Read & Why Vanity Fair Fears Her ｜ Jessica Reed Kraus

00:00:00.600 Journalist Jessica Krause, also known as House Inhabit, is searching for God in reading her

00:00:05.820 Bible. We'll be talking about her spiritual journey today, as well as what is really going on

00:00:11.140 between Elon Musk and Donald Trump. What is the truth behind the factions in Maha? We will also

00:00:17.980 be getting into her past conflict with Candace Owens. We'll be discussing the Karen Reed trial

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00:00:51.560 Jessica, thanks so much for taking the time to join me in person. I'm so excited. Of course. I'm

00:00:56.600 happy to be here. Okay, House Inhabit. Tell us how you came up with that name.

00:01:01.920 It just goes back to the early days of blogging. I had a family blog. I used to write about life

00:01:07.440 raising, you know, four young boys and I was a stay-at-home mom. So it made sense in the sense

00:01:14.500 that I was locked in routine and habit of like, you know, suburban domestic chores and regular

00:01:22.660 life routine. And now it still just works somehow. Well, I also feel like it's bad luck to change

00:01:29.100 names. So I just, I'm like, it's worked through all these different phases. And so now it actually

00:01:34.560 does. I think the interpretation is like, it still works in different forms, right?

00:01:39.980 I think so too. And you just can't change it because everyone knows you by House Inhabit.

00:01:44.140 Yeah, it felt wrong. It took me a long time to decide on it. And then once I had it, I was just like,

00:01:49.780 you know, there was no calculation behind me going from like a mom blogger to media.

00:01:57.540 What was the breakthrough for you from mom blogger to media?

00:02:02.000 Oh gosh. I think probably the most obvious would be the Britney Spears story. I kind of jumped from

00:02:09.000 lifestyle, you know, daily lifestyle updates to tracking really sort of obsessively the Britney 0.99

00:02:14.840 Spears trial or not. It was before the trial. It was her, you know, when we were trying to figure

00:02:19.680 out what was going on with the conservatorship. Yeah. And the Free Britney movement.

00:02:24.260 What do you think is going on with her? Well, I think now it's a lot more complicated. And I think

00:02:29.400 it's, the reason I kind of pulled away from the story was because it was so dark and sad, you know?

00:02:35.660 It's like, I think in the beginning, we all thought we were fighting for her freedom. And it was as simple

00:02:40.060 as that. And I think now it is a very uncomfortable situation because nobody really knows how to deal or

00:02:48.720 talk about it. And so she's just kind of perpetually spinning and dancing in these videos. And it just 1.00

00:02:55.280 seems like she's sort of a shell of, you know, the pop star that we knew. So I just feel like it's such

00:03:01.600 a sad story. Do you think that she needed that conservatorship in hindsight? I mean, I don't want

00:03:07.140 to make the call because I, again, I don't feel like I've learned. One thing I've learned is we don't

00:03:11.500 always know the full story behind some of these really big cases. And I did spend time with Lynn

00:03:17.520 Spears. And so I got to know a little bit about, you know, where she was coming from and her side

00:03:24.460 of the story. And it made me look at things differently based on that too. So I don't, I can't

00:03:30.460 say for, you know, what should or shouldn't be. I just think there's a lot that's been misinterpreted

00:03:37.320 and communicated. Yeah. And you also talked about Me Too and you had a different perspective

00:03:42.400 on Me Too. And what made you interested in writing about that movement?

00:03:48.080 Well, I think the most obvious is that I have four boys. And so I am someone who always seeks

00:03:55.680 all sides of the truth, whether, you know, it's regarding a topic or an individual. So with Me Too,

00:04:01.940 I just, I really had an issue with like the Believe Woman slogan. And I thought there was a lot

00:04:06.500 of hypocrisy in the entire movement, you know, with Hollywood kind of rushing behind it when they

00:04:12.340 were, you know, really a part of this whole like environment. And so I just thought there was a lot

00:04:21.600 to examine. And I was just asking people like, is this, is this smart? Like, do we want to believe

00:04:27.660 any gender in a, in a court case? Like, don't we go with the facts and, you know, what is presented

00:04:32.500 in that setting? Mm-hmm. Is there anything you found out when you were writing about that that

00:04:38.140 surprised you? You mean like- Just about some of the people behind Me Too and Time's Up and I don't

00:04:45.780 know who they worked with. It seems to me like there was probably a lot of hypocrisy, like people who

00:04:49.900 worked with Weinstein were all of a sudden saying, oh yes, I've always stood up against this. And it's

00:04:55.500 like, have you? No, that was, I think that was the part of, that was the biggest issue is it really

00:05:02.280 forced me to challenge my own beliefs about what I believed as far as the industry and the

00:05:08.100 accusations. It's like, you know, I covered Weinstein's first trial and to me it was, there was no one you

00:05:14.980 were rooting for. Like usually in a trial there's someone you feel has been, you know, wronged and

00:05:21.000 you want justice. And this, it was like, he was doing these things, but also the industry was

00:05:26.400 enabling him. And a lot of these actresses just understood that that was the way it worked. And 0.97

00:05:32.320 so it was hard because there was a lot of continued communication, you know, after these assaults. And

00:05:38.400 in the case of like Jennifer Newsome, she was still emailing him asking for campaign donations for her

00:05:44.220 husband. So it was, you know, it's very, um, it gets really sort of layered and, and it, you know,

00:05:52.840 it requires people to have smart discussions about it. And it's hard to do online. As you probably know,

00:05:59.640 it's sometimes hard to get everyone to agree to be respectful and just discuss these things in a

00:06:04.920 uncomfortable. What gave you the gumption to start talking about things like that? Because you could

00:06:11.380 have stayed as the mom blogger, which is less controversial, probably feel less criticism,

00:06:17.380 but you decided to wade into subjects that you knew would probably get you some heat and some

00:06:22.960 blowback. And a lot of people make that calculation and say, it's not worth it,

00:06:26.860 but you decided that it was worth it. So why was that?

00:06:31.380 You know, I think I made a decision that if I was going to be on the internet, I always posted what I,

00:06:38.380 what inspired me and what I believed in. And for a long time, it was, you know, family. That's what I

00:06:43.900 knew. That's the only thing that I was focused on. And as my kids got older, um, I was able to have,

00:06:50.960 you know, devote more time to my own interests, which is really pop culture and, and these,

00:06:56.280 these trials and stuff. So to me, it's like, I don't, I would rather not be online if I'm not

00:07:02.820 going to write about and, and express what I see. You know, to me, I was, I'm just interpreting

00:07:08.220 the world through my lens. We're all doing it individually and you don't have to like it. You

00:07:13.340 don't have to agree with it, but this is just me saying like, this is how I see this. Um, what do

00:07:17.920 you guys think?

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00:08:17.060 Okay. So you're a California girl born and raised Southern California. Would you say that you were

00:08:27.280 raised progressive? Uh, definitely, definitely. And do you still consider yourself progressive?

00:08:33.160 No, because I think the, the definition of the word has changed. I mean, what is progressive now?

00:08:39.360 Like, you know, I don't know. I really don't know. Yeah. I think we all have different regions.

00:08:45.100 I think, you know, yeah, there probably are different definitions. There are a lot of people

00:08:50.260 more progressive than me because I'm like as conservative as it gets. But I mean, most Democrats,

00:08:55.480 I would say are conservative when it comes to pro, you know, LGBTQ and kids libraries,

00:09:02.380 drag queen story hour, pro black lives matter, the belief that, you know, cops are systemically

00:09:07.980 racist, all of that kind of thing. I would lump under progressive and progressive social and

00:09:14.260 economic policies, believing in the nanny state and all of that kind of thing.

00:09:19.300 I mean, I, in my head, I have an idea of what progressive is and it, it, I guess you're talking

00:09:25.120 like political definition and no, I don't align with most everything you just mentioned. I don't

00:09:31.240 really align with anymore. Um, I'm still, you know, I still support, um, pro choice, even though

00:09:39.380 I'm personally anti-abortion and I did grow up under that. You know, my mom talked to us about that

00:09:47.000 growing up and we were always, I knew that it was not something I would do, but I don't

00:09:51.280 hold any judgment against my friends who have made that choice. And so in certain ways, I still,

00:09:56.740 I guess there's a couple of things that I kind of, you know, cling to, but overall, I mean,

00:10:02.960 I'm categorized as, you know, right wing now. Now you are. Yeah, I am. For sure. I think every

00:10:09.100 headline. Categorized as MAGA. Yes. Okay. So you're personally, like personally anti-abortion,

00:10:15.200 but politically pro-choice. Can you kind of parse that out? Wait, what was that? So you said

00:10:20.440 that you're personally anti-abortion, but you're politically pro-choice. So what does that mean?

00:10:25.500 Well, I just, I've always, so it's, you know, there's certain things that I'm happy to argue

00:10:30.000 with people about and abortion has never been one of them. Like when I've been on the left and I've

00:10:34.500 been on the right and I've never wanted to fight women over it. I feel like we all can, um, decide what 0.96

00:10:43.040 it, you know, how we feel about it. For me, I knew that I would never be able to have an abortion.

00:10:49.040 And I, I guess I grew up that it just wasn't an option. And, um, so with each pregnancy, you know,

00:10:56.200 I didn't do the test that you're supposed to do. It just wasn't something I could ever see myself

00:11:02.140 doing. But I, but I mean, so many of my friends have had an abortion and I, I just did nothing in

00:11:08.660 me, makes me want to judge them or hate them over it. I feel like it's an individual choice. And

00:11:14.920 I think if you believe in a higher power, it's ultimately up to, you know, that in the end to

00:11:23.940 judge. Yeah. My perspective is that, you know, if they're human beings, which I think that we can

00:11:29.940 all scientifically agree that they are, then they deserve human rights. And it's not a right if it's

00:11:36.380 not legally protected. And so why shouldn't they have the same legal right to be protected

00:11:42.440 against murder that I have. And in the same way that I wouldn't say, well, it's between you and

00:11:47.760 God, whether you want to murder your two week old. I also wouldn't say it's between you and God,

00:11:52.680 you know, whether you can murder the baby inside your womb, because the difference between the two

00:11:56.520 week old and the 40 week old in the womb is just time and location. And those don't seem like two, 0.97

00:12:02.660 you know, big enough justifications for legal murder. So that's kind of how I see it. But you're

00:12:10.100 right. It is a tough and well, I don't think it's tough, like to understand, but it is a hot topic

00:12:17.400 for sure. It is. But on the left and the right. I mean, that's why I like I do watch you because I

00:12:22.280 like the way you explain and defend yourself. And it's just for me, it's not an issue that I don't

00:12:28.800 feel. It doesn't make me hate women either way. I don't think I wouldn't listen to you and think

00:12:33.940 like, that's crazy. And I wouldn't, you know, I'd be open to listening to another side that,

00:12:38.800 you know, yeah, it's just religion and abortion. I don't want to fight about.

00:12:44.060 Yeah. You OK. You didn't mention a higher power and you have talked a little bit about like

00:12:48.500 wanting to read your Bible and kind of thinking about that kind of stuff. So where are you on that

00:12:54.460 journey? Well, that's been sort of one thing I kept kind of private. I don't feel like everything

00:13:00.240 needs to be up for Internet, you know, analysis and discussion. But I've just always been curious

00:13:07.500 and open to different ideas of religion. And I didn't grow up in any, you know, organized religion,

00:13:15.080 but, you know, we were taught to believe in God. And and so I think being on the campaign trail and

00:13:23.120 being around a lot of like conservatives, Christian conservatives and things, I I didn't like not

00:13:30.560 knowing the references to some of these things, even from a literary standpoint, like everybody,

00:13:35.080 I think, should read the Bible so that we understand how it's woven into like art and

00:13:40.820 everything. Right. Yeah. Our politics. Yeah. So yeah. So I think it's just, you know, there's a lot of

00:13:47.120 there's a lot of parts to it where I do feel like I'm on a spiritual journey and it's not really

00:13:51.940 something I have to defend because I can I know that it's I can feel it. And I know that the more

00:13:57.180 I lean into it, the more rewarding it is and the more fulfilling I am I feel. So that's that's really

00:14:05.380 kind of what inspired it is. I feel like I have to trust that there is like some sort of divine path

00:14:13.900 that I'm. Yeah. You know, I hear from a lot of people who previously they didn't believe or maybe

00:14:20.680 they were just agnostic. They didn't know that it was actually seen evil in whatever context. For

00:14:27.040 some people, it's Hollywood. For some people, it's politics. For some people, it's in their own life

00:14:31.060 that kind of turns the light on and they're like, oh, if there's objective evil and darkness, then

00:14:36.260 there must be objective goodness and light, too. Like, would you say, especially seen in the world of

00:14:41.800 politics, that that's been true for you? Oh, absolutely. I think that's, you know, sort of an

00:14:47.540 underlying theme now is like good and light, you know, good and evil and darkness and light

00:14:52.400 and what you're giving your energy to. And so I did, you know, I came from a liberal background.

00:14:59.120 I was around a liberal liberals my whole life. And it was really even just mentioning God. It was a

00:15:05.340 shunned topic. They just, you know, it was very you just kind of instinctively know not to bring up

00:15:11.860 God and religion. So when I was on the campaign trail with the Trump team and the Kennedy team,

00:15:17.180 every event, God was a, you know, center sort of topic. And there was prayer and people talked very

00:15:25.720 openly and comfortably about their faith. And I, you know, from someone who's not subscribed

00:15:32.720 to any one religion, I did like it. I felt like it was a really cool thing to witness.

00:15:39.640 Mm-hmm. Um, tell me a little bit more about the RFK campaign specifically. I thought it was so

00:15:47.520 interesting just following you on Instagram and watching your very fair coverage, like not being

00:15:55.020 afraid to talk about his scandals or how the media was portraying him, but also like you were so deeply

00:16:02.760 embedded and it seemed like friends with a lot of people on the campaign. And I always wondered like,

00:16:07.240 how does she deal with the fact that she's reporting honestly, even sometimes critically

00:16:13.220 about their campaign, but also you have these like alliances and friendships with the people in the

00:16:19.400 campaign. So just tell us what that was like. I mean, it was amazing. It's one of the most

00:16:25.320 incredible experiences of my life. I, I was able to just sort of chase this vision I had of what

00:16:33.680 campaign coverage could look like, but I could only do that because of someone like Robert Kennedy

00:16:38.800 trusting me to do that. So being able to have this transparency and kind of go on the road for

00:16:46.640 a year, you do get close with, you know, campaign became sort of like family. And I could see all the

00:16:55.300 working parts behind how a campaign operates. Like there's so many people who care about these

00:17:02.080 issues and the messaging and they all have different roles. And so I just loved learning about the

00:17:07.440 internal workings. And I, I think he, because Bobby is such an open person and he doesn't shy away from

00:17:15.560 any, you know, controversy. He, I mean, he's very used to that. So I think I just, you know, fed off of

00:17:23.140 that. Like I, I thought we'll just go through it. We'll go through whatever scandal or whatever,

00:17:27.800 you know, whatever's thrown at him because every day it was something, you know, it was like a dead

00:17:33.880 bear that they found in the park or, you know, the brain worm. It was like, some of them were absurd

00:17:38.640 and some of them were a little more serious and complex, but I just loved showing that we could

00:17:44.380 work through them and be open about, you know, these candidates. And I think it resonated a lot

00:17:49.900 because people were able to see them from a more intimate angle. Mm-hmm. And you were covering

00:17:56.800 the affair that happened, right? During the time, which was very, that was something that was shocking

00:18:02.080 to me. And I'm sure that it was like, that was a difficult position for you to be in at the time.

00:18:09.880 Yeah. I didn't see that one coming. So that was hard. That was a journalist. I forgot her name. 0.99

00:18:14.240 Olivia Nuzi. Okay. Yeah. Um, yeah, that was a, that, yeah, that was a tough one because I was

00:18:22.480 friends with her and, you know, I'm covering him and, um, but the only way I could think that it

00:18:31.240 made sense was just to be honest about it as we worked through it. Like I felt, you know, betrayed

00:18:37.100 by her. I felt like maybe she was a liar and, you know, and I was angry at him. I was disappointed,

00:18:42.140 not angry, but I was disappointed in him. Um, I guess just disappointed in the whole situation

00:18:48.580 because it's like, we have this chance to prove so many of the things that I believe in and I want

00:18:54.040 to see coming to, you know, power. And he had the opportunity. So it was like a rough, you know,

00:19:01.500 it was a rough patch and it was tricky, but I mean, um, I mean, everyone got through it and I'm still,

00:19:08.360 you know, connected to all parties. I respect everyone involved. And I just, again, I,

00:19:14.260 I think I'm able to compartmentalize sort of my friendship or my, not friendships, but

00:19:20.240 I guess, um, relationships. Yeah. And so there is an element of trust there where I'm not really out

00:19:29.060 to get anyone. It's just, I have to report on things as honestly as possible. And I did my best

00:19:34.960 with that. And what are you thinking about when you are weighing your relationships and like

00:19:40.360 reporting the truth? Like, are you thinking about, okay, my allegiance is to the truth. Are you

00:19:44.440 thinking about I'm indebted to my audience? Like how are you kind of filled, what values are you using

00:19:50.780 to filter through what stories you're going to report on, even when it might have a personal element

00:19:55.860 to you? I, like I said, I, my commitment is always to the truth and what feels right and honest

00:20:03.640 at the time. And so I didn't think, you know, I don't like to overthink things. I like to go with

00:20:09.720 intuition. And so just day by day, I just posted like I would any story as it progressed and sort of,

00:20:17.540 um, you know, I tried to figure out what's, what's real and what's, what's important. And at the end of

00:20:22.180 the day, my audience did not care about, you know, a scandal like this. They, they didn't care.

00:20:28.700 They wanted to go back to the issues that they stand behind that he was amplifying. And so that

00:20:35.460 was sort of reassuring, you know, like people didn't really get, want to get caught up and

00:20:39.380 they really believed in him. And so that's what I focused on.

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00:22:06.540 What is the truth? If you know it about the feud, it seems or disagreement, I would say between

00:22:20.000 Casey means and Nicole Shanahan, two people I've interacted with super respect both of their work

00:22:28.060 a lot. Um, but there seems to be something going on there where Nicole is saying Casey doesn't seem to

00:22:36.460 be who she says she is. Callie obviously defending his sister, but it just seems like there was kind

00:22:43.320 of a fracture of Maha and no one really knows exactly what is true. Um, I didn't realize that

00:22:50.360 there were those disagreements within Maha. Did you already know that before that came to light?

00:22:55.080 You know, I found that out later. I kept hearing, you know, I always hear things like I have a lot of

00:23:00.700 sources. So I hear whispers and rumors and things, but I hadn't really given it much, um, energy. I

00:23:08.380 just didn't really understand it. Um, and again, I like both, both of them. I like the mean sibling so

00:23:12.920 much and I love Nicole Shanahan. I think she has really great ideas and I've liked watching her

00:23:19.860 evolution from again, like, you know, it's relatable. She was super left and she's sort of in front of us,

00:23:26.480 like has, um, pivoted. But, um, I, I think what I'm learning is politics. There's a lot of egos and

00:23:35.520 personal issues that can taint the over, you know, the common goal. And I think with this, I learned

00:23:43.500 there was a lot of, um, you know, I think, I think everyone maybe has an idea about where the health

00:23:51.760 movement should go from here and who should be in charge of how it happens. And, um, so, you know,

00:23:58.020 it's always going to get a little messy with like these different perspectives and sort of grievances

00:24:04.520 that maybe we don't know about. I think, I think, and I, you know, like it was sort of rough in the

00:24:11.320 campaign. Um, there was some tensions between Bobby Kennedy and Nicole Shanahan that I don't know

00:24:19.840 the details on, but I just think it's hard to know what the real story is, you know? So I think,

00:24:29.680 I always think it's, um, unfortunate when everybody's, when there's infighting. Yeah. It's

00:24:37.420 like all of these people pretty much agree on the same fundamental issues. And so it works better when

00:24:45.100 collectively we're all supporting each other towards it, you know? I love Nicole. I think

00:24:50.520 like her story and her vulnerability is just really compelling. And I think she's like a very

00:24:57.620 genuine person that would only speak up if she sincerely felt concerned about something. And I

00:25:04.080 don't know Casey personally, but when I had her on my show, this was before she blew up. Okay. I was

00:25:11.320 like, saw a tweet thread by her and I was like, that's an interesting tweet thread. It had like

00:25:14.760 15 likes or something when I saw it and we had her on. And after she got off the couch, like my 0.99

00:25:20.640 producer, Bree and I looked at each other and we were like, I think that is the best interview that

00:25:26.380 we've ever done. And I have like 1500 episodes that I've done of Relatable. Really? There was

00:25:31.780 something about her, like just how she explained things. And I have talked to hundreds and hundreds of

00:25:37.520 people that I was like, I don't know. I just knew that from then on it was going to be different for

00:25:44.600 her, not because of my show, but just because of her. She's got a very captivating vision in way

00:25:51.640 that she articulates it. So like I'm rooting for her success big time as Surgeon General. I mean,

00:25:56.340 I don't know who else I would want in that position. Well, that's the thing too. I'm like,

00:25:59.400 when have we ever really gone, like, I mean, gone this hard on anyone who's run, like,

00:26:04.800 do you even know who was the last Surgeon General? Do we know? I don't know about Biden.

00:26:09.480 I don't, I don't. But so I, I like both women and it, to me, I always look at these things as

00:26:15.980 like a family issue. Like I feel like we're, I mean, even all the way up to the top, the president,

00:26:20.500 Elon, all these like feuds and stuff to me, I just look at it like one big family where you have,

00:26:26.840 you know, you're going to have rough times and you just have to work through them the best and

00:26:32.920 smartest way. And, and a lot of that is just being, you know, openly honest and communicating.

00:26:40.460 Okay. We were talking about Elon. Um, what do you think about Elon in general? Very complicated

00:26:45.020 figure. Well, I love Elon cause I can never decide what I think about him. And I talk about it all

00:26:49.760 the time. I changed my mind on him. Like even last night we walked out front. I've been traveling for

00:26:54.840 the past 10 days and there was the SpaceX launch, you know, and it was like, it's so beautiful. Right.

00:27:00.420 Right. And our whole family was out watching it and I'm like, Oh gosh, now I love Elon again. Like

00:27:05.040 it's such a space romantic. Um, I think for me, some of these people, it doesn't even matter what

00:27:12.540 I think about him. I think he's a great character in this timeline and I I'm excited to see, I even

00:27:18.200 like when I'm mad at him and I like when he's crazy and, um, you know, he's, he has unique opinions

00:27:25.140 and I think he's obviously he's like a, one of the most brilliant minds of our generation. And I

00:27:30.800 think we should sort of appreciate that even when we're annoyed and confused. Okay. I was very

00:27:38.760 confused when he had conflict and beef with president Trump online. You know, he went from

00:27:44.140 saying that he loves Trump as much as any heterosexual man can love another man. That was like a few

00:27:50.760 months ago or whatever. And then he said, you know, after he exited Doge, he was like, you

00:27:57.660 know, Trump is, went to Epstein Island. Bye. Because they were mad about the big, beautiful

00:28:03.100 bill. Elon didn't want the big, beautiful bill. And of course Trump did. And then Elon got

00:28:09.100 back to, you know, praising him and apparently they reconciled. I don't know, but I'm like, okay,

00:28:15.240 so did you reconcile with like with an actual pedophile or did you lie about him being an

00:28:21.100 actual pedophile? Cause both are really bad. Or maybe I'm just not thinking about it. How 0.99

00:28:25.680 Elon is thinking about it. I don't know. I mean, it's hard to say. I think that was a crazy,

00:28:32.160 crazy 48 hour cycle. But then I think too, like Elon's the same as any of us that he gets worked

00:28:40.360 up and he gets fired up and angry about whatever, you know, who knows what was going on with them

00:28:45.140 privately. He might've been really upset about whether how it was affecting his businesses or

00:28:49.180 he just does not think this is a good move. But like back in the day, we didn't have, not

00:28:54.360 everyone had millions of people on a live, you know what I mean? Like people, we respond

00:29:01.340 in real time and we make mistakes. I think he definitely made a mistake because I don't

00:29:05.140 believe that he thinks Donald Trump is a pedophile. I think he regrets doing that. And I think,

00:29:11.860 um, I think it was a really bad look, but I also feel like we should give people grace. I've been

00:29:20.280 in situations where I react, um, in real time based on anger or, you know, whatever the emotion is. But

00:29:29.440 I just, I mean, I can't, I can't really hate him. I think it was a bad move and I think he regrets it.

00:29:37.740 And like I said, he's a great character for someone tracking culture. There was never a dull moment in

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00:30:54.820 Speaking of conflict, can you tell me where it stands between you and Candace Owens?

00:31:07.580 I think, well, we obviously had a very public feud that I wasn't anticipating. And I think it got spun

00:31:15.260 a certain way based on missing facts. And it involves, you know, personal, a friendship with

00:31:23.340 my best friend and another former employee who, I just think, you know, I wasn't able, I realized at

00:31:32.040 a certain point I was not able to share the details of it. And so you learn the hard way that

00:31:38.220 the truth isn't always an option. And so I just really kind of got steamrolled by a version of it

00:31:46.340 that was not the full truth. And, but I mean, as far as how I feel about Candace, I think she's

00:31:52.320 brilliant. I've always thought that. I don't always agree with her. A lot of times I do agree with her.

00:31:57.080 I feel like she is an ally in so many of these major issues. But again, I just see a pattern of like

00:32:04.440 conflict that is just not what I'm interested in. I think I find conversation, I find humor and

00:32:12.400 sort of humility and conversation and discussion. And I just don't want anything to do with sort of

00:32:20.480 that combative cycle, you know?

00:32:22.200 Hmm. What would you say if she, cause I don't even remember, I remember trying to follow the

00:32:27.620 back and forth. It was really hard to follow. There were a lot of different things like

00:32:30.780 listening to her and looking at your stories. And if she said, okay, but you, you came at me first,

00:32:38.380 Jessica, I liked you and you came at me first. You criticized, I don't even remember exactly what

00:32:42.720 it was. So, cause I just, I got a lot of messages saying, please ask her about this.

00:32:47.980 Well, yeah. And so, yeah. I think everyone's confused and I get it, but I just have to sort

00:32:53.200 of accept it because it's one of those things I can't share all the details on because my personal

00:32:59.440 issues got spun into it when it really shouldn't have been, you know, it was really sort of unfair,

00:33:04.980 I think. But yeah, I think I'm allowed to create, I think it all stemmed from a very mild article where

00:33:12.240 I was talking about who we trust in media, which is, I think about it all the time, even with

00:33:16.760 myself, like, who do I trust now? And I, I think I'm at a weird place where I don't actually know

00:33:21.480 what's real, you know? So I wrote this article and I just feel like I'm allowed, like anyone to

00:33:26.100 criticize media personalities. You know, I was saying, I don't even remember what I wrote. It

00:33:30.200 was very mild, but I just sort of went through these different personalities and like, I guess I

00:33:35.760 was thinking out loud, which is what I do a lot in my newsletters. I go through things I'm

00:33:40.200 contemplating or struggling with in real time. And so I, it just started, it kind of became this like

00:33:47.780 back and forth. And I had so much going on that I wasn't fully paying attention to how it was being

00:33:54.600 portrayed and perceived and sort of spun from her angle. And she, I, you know, I offered to go on

00:34:01.140 her show. I offered, I called her, I wanted to talk to her and she didn't take my calls. So

00:34:05.060 at a certain point I realized she really wasn't interested in hearing me out. And so it just,

00:34:10.880 you know, I have to trust at the end of the day that my intentions will like speak for themselves.

00:34:18.380 I really believe in what I do and I try my best every single day to put out what I feel is, um,

00:34:25.460 beneficial to the internet, like the strangers on the internet. I want everyone to feel more informed

00:34:31.300 and entertained by whatever I'm doing. So, um, I have no, again, no grudge. I think she's very good

00:34:38.400 at what she does and it, you know, it's very different mediums. Like she has a studio and a team

00:34:45.120 where they sort of, you know, help her address people and it's a big audience. I sit in a room by

00:34:53.160 myself and write and not everybody wants to read 20 minute articles about some of these things. So

00:34:58.380 we reach people in different ways and I just think it's hard. That's a. Well, here's the question.

00:35:04.100 Do you think Emmanuel Macron is married to his brother, a man? Cause I don't know. I like that

00:35:11.700 series is fascinating. It really was. And like so well-researched and just like, do you,

00:35:17.820 do you think that Bridgette Macron is a man? I thought the series was amazing. I promoted that

00:35:24.760 series like crazy because I, I thought it was done so well and it was like, it makes you think

00:35:29.840 about it all differently. Right. But, um, I politics is gross. That's what I mean. I think

00:35:35.400 at the end of the day, there's so much that we don't know about a lot of people. I walked away

00:35:42.000 thinking, I think it's possible. Like, I think it's possible, but I'm still like more grossed out

00:35:49.920 by Hunter Biden's laptop by what I saw on that, you know, like, yeah, that's really these politicians.

00:35:55.380 It's a, it's a, yeah, it's a. Yeah. I think that there's a lot of ugliness when it comes to royalty,

00:36:01.680 when it comes to politics, a lot of political dynasties that we don't know that probably would

00:36:07.860 shock us. You follow the British royalty. I love very closely. Right. Okay. Um, do you think that

00:36:15.940 the hatred of Meghan Markle is totally justified or do you think any of it is blown out of proportion?

00:36:23.380 No, I think it's justified. Yeah. Because I, because I do watch them so closely. I watched

00:36:28.060 how it happened and I saw mistake after mistake being made on their end. And I just think, I mean,

00:36:35.620 it's still, it's still continuing right now. There is lack of self-awareness there. I don't think,

00:36:41.340 um, the timing and each of their decisions and just, I think to publicly drag the family into

00:36:48.560 that whole drama of like, you know, the racism claims and stuff. It was just really, it was

00:36:55.000 really messy. And I don't, I don't think, I think that sort of set a really bad tone where

00:36:58.740 it's like they were trying to break free, but they looked miserable while they were doing it. And

00:37:03.220 they were doing like, you want privacy, but then you actually want documentaries and podcasts and all

00:37:07.780 these things. So I think nothing about them seems genuine. And when you don't seem genuine at all,

00:37:13.420 people don't take you seriously. And so I think, uh, yeah, I, I don't think it is, um, exaggerated.

00:37:23.280 I think that's just not, you know, it's like you, you want the title of the Royals, but you don't want

00:37:30.040 any of the responsibility or duty that comes with that. And so it's just, it's like, you're a fraud,

00:37:36.320 right? Like you want to capitalize and profit off of a title, but then you're going to drag the family

00:37:45.080 title through the mud. Like it's just, and for a Royalist like myself, it was, um, I thought it was

00:37:51.980 messy and tacky. Okay. I saw some video going around on acts of her in the hospital room, like

00:37:59.080 dancing while pregnant. And I thought a lot of people saying like she was faking the pregnancy.

00:38:04.240 It doesn't look like a real pregnant belly. I kind of thought that was silly. I'm like, 0.83

00:38:07.540 I think it looks like a real pregnant belly. I mean, I don't mind the criticism of her, 0.81

00:38:11.540 but sometimes I'm like, okay, people are just like looking for things to come up with.

00:38:17.240 So not all these conspiracies I like, I don't like the fake pregnancy stuff. That was definitely

00:38:22.500 her pregnant in the hospital. To me, I thought it was sort of cringy because again, they made such a 1.00

00:38:28.320 big deal about privacy, but now you're releasing your most private home videos for the internet to

00:38:34.000 see because you want to sell your show or your jam or honey, whatever she's making. Um, I just,

00:38:41.900 they're sort of silly, right? Like I think when you look at the contrast between what William and Kate 0.95

00:38:46.380 are doing, which is really, you know, owning those roles and they have managed to really secure this

00:38:55.220 image that that role demands. And then I think you see the, these other, you know, the brother. And I

00:39:01.560 think people don't like seeing Diana's boys fighting. Okay. We all, we like feel some sort

00:39:07.880 of connection to them and we don't want the, like as a mother, you don't want to see, you don't want

00:39:14.300 your kids to grow up and not like each other. So I just think the whole thing's sad. I liked when

00:39:18.900 they were all getting along for those two weeks or whatever it was. You wish you would have married

00:39:23.640 someone else? Uh, yeah. I think. Do you have someone in mind? That I think Harry should have

00:39:29.420 married? Yeah. Well, I liked, was her name Chelsea? It was the blonde. I liked them together. Hmm. I

00:39:36.540 don't see, I don't really know anything about it. I mean. You have to Google when we get off. There's

00:39:39.940 part of me that does. I don't know why. Maybe I'm just like subject to the propaganda or, you know,

00:39:45.360 a victim of the propaganda. There's sometimes I do feel bad for her. Cause I just feel like she's

00:39:50.160 trying so hard to be relatable and likable. And it just doesn't come naturally for her. I just think

00:39:56.920 she comes across like she doesn't like people and she's trying to pretend like she likes people.

00:40:01.760 And I'm like, then just go be an introvert. Just go do that. I actually think people could respect

00:40:07.100 that more if they were like, we want privacy. And they went off by themselves and didn't talk to

00:40:11.200 people. Oh yeah. But we want privacy, but also I'm so warm and I welcome people into my home every

00:40:16.240 day. But I obviously am like super annoyed by these people who are right by me. I don't know.

00:40:22.120 There's part of me that like feels bad for them. I think you're very nice and you're giving her the

00:40:25.900 benefit of the doubt, which is so sweet. But no, there, I could spend an hour on, we should have just

00:40:31.380 had me on just for Meghan Markle. Um, no, just like even naming the baby after his grandmother who

00:40:37.960 never, you know, met the baby and those last, you know, months of her life was fraught with

00:40:45.300 family conflict because like I could go on and on. I just don't think, um, like I always say,

00:40:51.720 like, you know, one of my kids is going to end up with a Meghan Markle. Like I'm so scared. Like,

00:40:56.320 I just don't think these are the type of women I love. See, that's why you got to believe in praying. 1.00

00:41:01.600 You got to pray. I have to pray for a Kate. Yes, we have to pray for the right spouse for your

00:41:06.940 kid. I mean, it makes a difference with, you know, boys are like whoever they marry is very

00:41:11.080 influential as to how you, your relationship as adults. So totally. I mean, yeah. Got to hope

00:41:17.080 these boys are smart. Yes. Okay. How old are your kids now? Um, Arlo is 19. Leon is 16. Rex is 15.

00:41:26.040 And Hayes just turned 11. Okay. Oh my goodness. A house of like teenage and preteen. It's so fun.

00:41:31.920 I love it. Yeah. I love this age.

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00:42:35.340 Allie10. Okay. Karen read trial. Um, I know right now we're waiting for the verdict. We don't have a

00:42:46.940 verdict yet. So by the time this comes out, I'm sure that we will, but tell us what drew you to this

00:42:53.040 case. Well, actually I ignored the case. I overlooked it because I had so many, I was still

00:42:58.740 finishing up politics and I was just getting into figuring out what white house access looks like,

00:43:04.260 you know? So I opted out of that trial, but then the last week I was in New York, I spent a full day

00:43:11.320 watching all the documentaries and catching up. And then I joined, you know how great it is when you have

00:43:15.080 an online community. I joined or started a chat in Substack and I had all my, um, readers catch me

00:43:23.280 up. So then I was obsessed because I didn't realize it involved sort of like this whole small town, um,

00:43:31.040 conflict. Like people are really divided over it, families, towns, people. Um, so it's, it had all

00:43:38.080 these layers. And so I got in very late, but now I'm fully, I get it now. Like I get why everybody

00:43:43.420 is so invested. And she absolutely based on all evidence I've seen is innocent. And this is all

00:43:52.740 part of a really corrupt small town coverup. So we are waiting right now to see if the jury feels the

00:43:59.540 same way. Okay. Tell us, can you fill in some details for those who have no idea what this is?

00:44:04.260 Oh, they don't know who Karen Reed is? Yeah. Basically she's accused of killing her husband. 0.99

00:44:10.200 He, they, the accusation is that she ran into, backed into him in the snow and he died from that. But

00:44:17.120 there is most of the evidence points to a different way of death. Yeah. And so many things don't add up.

00:44:26.940 So I've, I mean, it's like, there's so much, but there's no point of impact on his body and, you

00:44:33.860 know, issues with his phone temperature and when he was found. And then it was at, it was a room,

00:44:40.460 a house party full of drunken cops. So do you think that, do you think that the verdict will

00:44:47.640 agree with you? Do you think the jury will agree with you? Well, that's the thing we got. As soon

00:44:51.900 as we reached this point, it's so intense because now when you're emotionally invested in a trial,

00:44:55.920 you, you know, you're on edge right now, everyone's on edge over this verdict. And I pulled my

00:45:00.720 audience and they were 90, I think it was between 80 and 90%. They believe she's not guilty. So as

00:45:08.140 of right now, the jury's asking some questions that are kind of tossing our, um, we, we don't know

00:45:15.800 what they, where, where they stand right now, but it is crazy how it's mirroring this, the, her last

00:45:20.140 trial. Cause this is, um, this is a retrial. So if, if they go the same way and it's a hung jury,

00:45:26.160 it's like, does that go a third time to try? Like, do we put, do we pay for a third trial for

00:45:32.000 this woman? Wow. I'm so interested now. No, you, oh my gosh, I should have put you on the chat. 1.00

00:45:37.100 Well, now I need to go back and I need to look at all the details. Cause I really haven't been

00:45:41.600 following closely. Sometimes I feel like there's just like too much in the world to follow.

00:45:45.060 Well, if you follow that HBO documentary, a body in the snow is really, really good. And it

00:45:49.560 shows both sides and it talks to all parties. I know I don't sometimes documentaries are like,

00:45:54.240 they still obviously have an agenda. I would, I don't recommend many of them because I feel like

00:45:59.100 they have an agenda and it's done well. Now I have something to watch. Yeah, no,

00:46:02.420 you'll love it. It's a, it's a series. I think there's five of them. It's really,

00:46:05.580 really well done. So Vanity Fair recently did a profile on you and I, I mean, I thought that it

00:46:12.400 was kind of rude and belittling. They, you know, said journalist and report, they put it in scare

00:46:18.600 quotes, but obviously you're reporting on stories that a lot of people in the mainstream media

00:46:24.200 aren't. And so like, what is your reaction or response when Vanity Fair or other journalists

00:46:30.780 try to kind of like diminish you? With Vanity Fair, it's, it's more comical because it was so

00:46:38.640 snarky, right? It was very petty. I felt like it was like high school mean girl. Um, and the fact 0.50

00:46:44.960 that they write so frequently about me is sort of weirdly flattering. Like they care that much about

00:46:50.220 who I'm fighting with. Um, but I, I think it doesn't hurt me at all. My, my readers are not

00:46:56.260 the people who are tuning into or waiting for Vanity Fair to tell them what they think really

00:47:00.320 about anything. So, um, I mean, that was the last one was really rude. You know, they brought in some

00:47:06.860 of the gross remarks Laura Loomer wrote about me. I just, to me, that wasn't a story, but why do you

00:47:13.460 think you scared them so much? Like why do they care? Well, I think because we're in a period of

00:47:18.500 shifting media, there's a war among media where the trust is shifted to independent, you know,

00:47:25.740 channels and personalities. And so a lot of people I hear, they associate me with like what Vanity Fair

00:47:34.260 used to be, where it is, you know, society scenes and gossip, but it's also hardcore reporting. And I

00:47:42.200 am getting stories that, you know, maybe they would have gotten in the past. I think there's a

00:47:48.580 competitive, obviously I can't figure out what else it could be. There's a competitive aspect to it.

00:47:55.400 And I think they are resentful over, you know, like the shifting of the guards. Like it's,

00:48:02.340 people don't, sadly, people don't read magazines anymore. I miss them personally, but, um,

00:48:08.780 I think, you know, I think that their, their, their goal is to constantly dismiss me and sort of

00:48:16.980 ridicule me so that in the hopes that everybody sees what a, you know, fraud of a mommy, what do

00:48:24.380 they call it? Like a mommy blogging alt-right, um, conspiracy theorist, RFK fangirl. All the labels. 0.88

00:48:31.660 Oh, and I, yeah. Um, how do you deal with like the emotional toll of not just taking criticism,

00:48:37.980 but also diving into these super dark stories? Well, that's a good question. Um, they do affect

00:48:45.340 me differently. That's why, you know, I mentioned pulling out of Britney Spears, the coverage there,

00:48:51.080 because it, when it starts to get too, when it weighs me in a negative and sort of a dark way, I,

00:48:58.900 I will usually kind of back away. And so that's why I am hesitant about, I am going to go into this

00:49:06.640 murder case in August, the Brian Koberger murder of these young college kids. And I do know in the

00:49:12.920 past when I've covered murder, it's, it is very taxing, you know, it's different than, you know,

00:49:18.920 I love like covering parties and going to like going sailing on campaign. I like all the lightness,

00:49:24.920 but I think, yeah, you, you, it puts you in a different space mentally. Yeah. Well,

00:49:32.840 I'm so glad to hear that you are on your journey of like reading the Bible, even if that's not

00:49:38.240 something that you share in detail with everyone. I know that you like had, you were talking about

00:49:42.900 like a house and habit Bible study on Instagram. Um, okay. I'm going to send you, you probably already

00:49:50.700 have a Bible, but I send a lot of people, my favorite study Bible. I don't know if you already

00:49:54.980 have like a study Bible. I could use all the help. Okay. I'm going to send it to you. And I do this for

00:49:59.500 a lot of guests because for me, like when I started really digging into the Bible 15 years ago or so,

00:50:05.720 I needed help understanding like, okay, what does this first mean? This sounds super weird.

00:50:12.420 And obviously the commentary is just written by people. And so it's somewhat of an opinion, but

00:50:17.180 it's careful. It's really careful the commentary. So I'm going to send you my, one of my favorite

00:50:23.060 books, and then I'll send you an ESV study Bible. And yeah, not that I, I don't know nearly close to

00:50:30.560 everything about Christianity, but of course, if you ever have any questions or just want to talk

00:50:35.840 about things, I'm here and you've got a lot of people in this audience who are praying for you.

00:50:40.540 Oh, thank you. And that was the other question that I got. Can you ask her like where she is

00:50:47.460 and her spiritual journey? Because like people just love you and they're rooting for you and

00:50:52.360 they know that you cover dark things. And so it's like for us who are Christians, we're like, gosh,

00:50:57.840 I couldn't do this if it weren't for the hope of Jesus and knowing that good will triumph in the end

00:51:03.420 because of him. And so, yeah, just a lot of people are thinking of you.

00:51:07.400 Well, that means so much. And I do feel it. I have the best, um, the best people behind me and I do

00:51:15.360 feel it. So I'm always appreciative of prayers and support. Yes. Well, thank you so much, Jessica. I

00:51:21.960 know you don't do like a ton of interviews, so I feel honored. So thank you so much. Well, thank you.

00:51:37.400 Thank you.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - June 23, 2025

Ep 1208 ｜ House Inhabit on God, Karen Read & Why Vanity Fair Fears Her ｜ Jessica Reed Kraus

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