Ep 1208 ｜ House Inhabit on God, Karen Read & Why Vanity Fair Fears Her ｜ Jessica Reed Kraus
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Jessica Krause, also known as House inhabit, is searching for God in reading her Bible. We ll be talking about her spiritual journey, as well as what is really going on between Elon Musk and Donald Trump, and what is the truth behind the factions in Maha? We ll also be getting into her past conflict with Candace Owens, and we ll be discussing the Karen Reed trial and so much more.
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Journalist Jessica Krause, also known as House Inhabit, is searching for God in reading her
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Bible. We'll be talking about her spiritual journey today, as well as what is really going on
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between Elon Musk and Donald Trump. What is the truth behind the factions in Maha? We will also
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be getting into her past conflict with Candace Owens. We'll be discussing the Karen Reed trial
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Jessica, thanks so much for taking the time to join me in person. I'm so excited. Of course. I'm
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happy to be here. Okay, House Inhabit. Tell us how you came up with that name.
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It just goes back to the early days of blogging. I had a family blog. I used to write about life
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raising, you know, four young boys and I was a stay-at-home mom. So it made sense in the sense
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that I was locked in routine and habit of like, you know, suburban domestic chores and regular
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life routine. And now it still just works somehow. Well, I also feel like it's bad luck to change
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names. So I just, I'm like, it's worked through all these different phases. And so now it actually
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does. I think the interpretation is like, it still works in different forms, right?
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I think so too. And you just can't change it because everyone knows you by House Inhabit.
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Yeah, it felt wrong. It took me a long time to decide on it. And then once I had it, I was just like,
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you know, there was no calculation behind me going from like a mom blogger to media.
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What was the breakthrough for you from mom blogger to media?
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Oh gosh. I think probably the most obvious would be the Britney Spears story. I kind of jumped from
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lifestyle, you know, daily lifestyle updates to tracking really sort of obsessively the Britney
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Spears trial or not. It was before the trial. It was her, you know, when we were trying to figure
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out what was going on with the conservatorship. Yeah. And the Free Britney movement.
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What do you think is going on with her? Well, I think now it's a lot more complicated. And I think
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it's, the reason I kind of pulled away from the story was because it was so dark and sad, you know?
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It's like, I think in the beginning, we all thought we were fighting for her freedom. And it was as simple
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as that. And I think now it is a very uncomfortable situation because nobody really knows how to deal or
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talk about it. And so she's just kind of perpetually spinning and dancing in these videos. And it just
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seems like she's sort of a shell of, you know, the pop star that we knew. So I just feel like it's such
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a sad story. Do you think that she needed that conservatorship in hindsight? I mean, I don't want
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to make the call because I, again, I don't feel like I've learned. One thing I've learned is we don't
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always know the full story behind some of these really big cases. And I did spend time with Lynn
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Spears. And so I got to know a little bit about, you know, where she was coming from and her side
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of the story. And it made me look at things differently based on that too. So I don't, I can't
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say for, you know, what should or shouldn't be. I just think there's a lot that's been misinterpreted
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and communicated. Yeah. And you also talked about Me Too and you had a different perspective
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on Me Too. And what made you interested in writing about that movement?
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Well, I think the most obvious is that I have four boys. And so I am someone who always seeks
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all sides of the truth, whether, you know, it's regarding a topic or an individual. So with Me Too,
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I just, I really had an issue with like the Believe Woman slogan. And I thought there was a lot
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of hypocrisy in the entire movement, you know, with Hollywood kind of rushing behind it when they
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were, you know, really a part of this whole like environment. And so I just thought there was a lot
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to examine. And I was just asking people like, is this, is this smart? Like, do we want to believe
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any gender in a, in a court case? Like, don't we go with the facts and, you know, what is presented
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in that setting? Mm-hmm. Is there anything you found out when you were writing about that that
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surprised you? You mean like- Just about some of the people behind Me Too and Time's Up and I don't
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know who they worked with. It seems to me like there was probably a lot of hypocrisy, like people who
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worked with Weinstein were all of a sudden saying, oh yes, I've always stood up against this. And it's
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like, have you? No, that was, I think that was the part of, that was the biggest issue is it really
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forced me to challenge my own beliefs about what I believed as far as the industry and the
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accusations. It's like, you know, I covered Weinstein's first trial and to me it was, there was no one you
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were rooting for. Like usually in a trial there's someone you feel has been, you know, wronged and
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you want justice. And this, it was like, he was doing these things, but also the industry was
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enabling him. And a lot of these actresses just understood that that was the way it worked. And
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so it was hard because there was a lot of continued communication, you know, after these assaults. And
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in the case of like Jennifer Newsome, she was still emailing him asking for campaign donations for her
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husband. So it was, you know, it's very, um, it gets really sort of layered and, and it, you know,
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it requires people to have smart discussions about it. And it's hard to do online. As you probably know,
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it's sometimes hard to get everyone to agree to be respectful and just discuss these things in a
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uncomfortable. What gave you the gumption to start talking about things like that? Because you could
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have stayed as the mom blogger, which is less controversial, probably feel less criticism,
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but you decided to wade into subjects that you knew would probably get you some heat and some
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blowback. And a lot of people make that calculation and say, it's not worth it,
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but you decided that it was worth it. So why was that?
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You know, I think I made a decision that if I was going to be on the internet, I always posted what I,
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what inspired me and what I believed in. And for a long time, it was, you know, family. That's what I
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knew. That's the only thing that I was focused on. And as my kids got older, um, I was able to have,
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you know, devote more time to my own interests, which is really pop culture and, and these,
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these trials and stuff. So to me, it's like, I don't, I would rather not be online if I'm not
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going to write about and, and express what I see. You know, to me, I was, I'm just interpreting
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the world through my lens. We're all doing it individually and you don't have to like it. You
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don't have to agree with it, but this is just me saying like, this is how I see this. Um, what do
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Okay. So you're a California girl born and raised Southern California. Would you say that you were
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raised progressive? Uh, definitely, definitely. And do you still consider yourself progressive?
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No, because I think the, the definition of the word has changed. I mean, what is progressive now?
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Like, you know, I don't know. I really don't know. Yeah. I think we all have different regions.
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I think, you know, yeah, there probably are different definitions. There are a lot of people
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more progressive than me because I'm like as conservative as it gets. But I mean, most Democrats,
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I would say are conservative when it comes to pro, you know, LGBTQ and kids libraries,
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drag queen story hour, pro black lives matter, the belief that, you know, cops are systemically
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racist, all of that kind of thing. I would lump under progressive and progressive social and
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economic policies, believing in the nanny state and all of that kind of thing.
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I mean, I, in my head, I have an idea of what progressive is and it, it, I guess you're talking
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like political definition and no, I don't align with most everything you just mentioned. I don't
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really align with anymore. Um, I'm still, you know, I still support, um, pro choice, even though
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I'm personally anti-abortion and I did grow up under that. You know, my mom talked to us about that
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growing up and we were always, I knew that it was not something I would do, but I don't
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hold any judgment against my friends who have made that choice. And so in certain ways, I still,
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I guess there's a couple of things that I kind of, you know, cling to, but overall, I mean,
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I'm categorized as, you know, right wing now. Now you are. Yeah, I am. For sure. I think every
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headline. Categorized as MAGA. Yes. Okay. So you're personally, like personally anti-abortion,
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but politically pro-choice. Can you kind of parse that out? Wait, what was that? So you said
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that you're personally anti-abortion, but you're politically pro-choice. So what does that mean?
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Well, I just, I've always, so it's, you know, there's certain things that I'm happy to argue
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with people about and abortion has never been one of them. Like when I've been on the left and I've
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been on the right and I've never wanted to fight women over it. I feel like we all can, um, decide what
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it, you know, how we feel about it. For me, I knew that I would never be able to have an abortion.
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And I, I guess I grew up that it just wasn't an option. And, um, so with each pregnancy, you know,
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I didn't do the test that you're supposed to do. It just wasn't something I could ever see myself
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doing. But I, but I mean, so many of my friends have had an abortion and I, I just did nothing in
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me, makes me want to judge them or hate them over it. I feel like it's an individual choice. And
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I think if you believe in a higher power, it's ultimately up to, you know, that in the end to
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judge. Yeah. My perspective is that, you know, if they're human beings, which I think that we can
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all scientifically agree that they are, then they deserve human rights. And it's not a right if it's
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not legally protected. And so why shouldn't they have the same legal right to be protected
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against murder that I have. And in the same way that I wouldn't say, well, it's between you and
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God, whether you want to murder your two week old. I also wouldn't say it's between you and God,
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you know, whether you can murder the baby inside your womb, because the difference between the two
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week old and the 40 week old in the womb is just time and location. And those don't seem like two,
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you know, big enough justifications for legal murder. So that's kind of how I see it. But you're
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right. It is a tough and well, I don't think it's tough, like to understand, but it is a hot topic
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for sure. It is. But on the left and the right. I mean, that's why I like I do watch you because I
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like the way you explain and defend yourself. And it's just for me, it's not an issue that I don't
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feel. It doesn't make me hate women either way. I don't think I wouldn't listen to you and think
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like, that's crazy. And I wouldn't, you know, I'd be open to listening to another side that,
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you know, yeah, it's just religion and abortion. I don't want to fight about.
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Yeah. You OK. You didn't mention a higher power and you have talked a little bit about like
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wanting to read your Bible and kind of thinking about that kind of stuff. So where are you on that
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journey? Well, that's been sort of one thing I kept kind of private. I don't feel like everything
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needs to be up for Internet, you know, analysis and discussion. But I've just always been curious
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and open to different ideas of religion. And I didn't grow up in any, you know, organized religion,
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but, you know, we were taught to believe in God. And and so I think being on the campaign trail and
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being around a lot of like conservatives, Christian conservatives and things, I I didn't like not
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knowing the references to some of these things, even from a literary standpoint, like everybody,
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I think, should read the Bible so that we understand how it's woven into like art and
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everything. Right. Yeah. Our politics. Yeah. So yeah. So I think it's just, you know, there's a lot of
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there's a lot of parts to it where I do feel like I'm on a spiritual journey and it's not really
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something I have to defend because I can I know that it's I can feel it. And I know that the more
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I lean into it, the more rewarding it is and the more fulfilling I am I feel. So that's that's really
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kind of what inspired it is. I feel like I have to trust that there is like some sort of divine path
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that I'm. Yeah. You know, I hear from a lot of people who previously they didn't believe or maybe
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they were just agnostic. They didn't know that it was actually seen evil in whatever context. For
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some people, it's Hollywood. For some people, it's politics. For some people, it's in their own life
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that kind of turns the light on and they're like, oh, if there's objective evil and darkness, then
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there must be objective goodness and light, too. Like, would you say, especially seen in the world of
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politics, that that's been true for you? Oh, absolutely. I think that's, you know, sort of an
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underlying theme now is like good and light, you know, good and evil and darkness and light
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and what you're giving your energy to. And so I did, you know, I came from a liberal background.
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I was around a liberal liberals my whole life. And it was really even just mentioning God. It was a
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shunned topic. They just, you know, it was very you just kind of instinctively know not to bring up
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God and religion. So when I was on the campaign trail with the Trump team and the Kennedy team,
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every event, God was a, you know, center sort of topic. And there was prayer and people talked very
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openly and comfortably about their faith. And I, you know, from someone who's not subscribed
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to any one religion, I did like it. I felt like it was a really cool thing to witness.
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Mm-hmm. Um, tell me a little bit more about the RFK campaign specifically. I thought it was so
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interesting just following you on Instagram and watching your very fair coverage, like not being
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afraid to talk about his scandals or how the media was portraying him, but also like you were so deeply
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embedded and it seemed like friends with a lot of people on the campaign. And I always wondered like,
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how does she deal with the fact that she's reporting honestly, even sometimes critically
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about their campaign, but also you have these like alliances and friendships with the people in the
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campaign. So just tell us what that was like. I mean, it was amazing. It's one of the most
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incredible experiences of my life. I, I was able to just sort of chase this vision I had of what
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campaign coverage could look like, but I could only do that because of someone like Robert Kennedy
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trusting me to do that. So being able to have this transparency and kind of go on the road for
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a year, you do get close with, you know, campaign became sort of like family. And I could see all the
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working parts behind how a campaign operates. Like there's so many people who care about these
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issues and the messaging and they all have different roles. And so I just loved learning about the
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internal workings. And I, I think he, because Bobby is such an open person and he doesn't shy away from
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any, you know, controversy. He, I mean, he's very used to that. So I think I just, you know, fed off of
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that. Like I, I thought we'll just go through it. We'll go through whatever scandal or whatever,
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you know, whatever's thrown at him because every day it was something, you know, it was like a dead
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bear that they found in the park or, you know, the brain worm. It was like, some of them were absurd
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and some of them were a little more serious and complex, but I just loved showing that we could
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work through them and be open about, you know, these candidates. And I think it resonated a lot
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because people were able to see them from a more intimate angle. Mm-hmm. And you were covering
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the affair that happened, right? During the time, which was very, that was something that was shocking
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to me. And I'm sure that it was like, that was a difficult position for you to be in at the time.
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Yeah. I didn't see that one coming. So that was hard. That was a journalist. I forgot her name.
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Olivia Nuzi. Okay. Yeah. Um, yeah, that was a, that, yeah, that was a tough one because I was
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friends with her and, you know, I'm covering him and, um, but the only way I could think that it
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made sense was just to be honest about it as we worked through it. Like I felt, you know, betrayed
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by her. I felt like maybe she was a liar and, you know, and I was angry at him. I was disappointed,
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not angry, but I was disappointed in him. Um, I guess just disappointed in the whole situation
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because it's like, we have this chance to prove so many of the things that I believe in and I want
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to see coming to, you know, power. And he had the opportunity. So it was like a rough, you know,
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it was a rough patch and it was tricky, but I mean, um, I mean, everyone got through it and I'm still,
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you know, connected to all parties. I respect everyone involved. And I just, again, I,
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I think I'm able to compartmentalize sort of my friendship or my, not friendships, but
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I guess, um, relationships. Yeah. And so there is an element of trust there where I'm not really out
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to get anyone. It's just, I have to report on things as honestly as possible. And I did my best
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with that. And what are you thinking about when you are weighing your relationships and like
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reporting the truth? Like, are you thinking about, okay, my allegiance is to the truth. Are you
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thinking about I'm indebted to my audience? Like how are you kind of filled, what values are you using
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to filter through what stories you're going to report on, even when it might have a personal element
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to you? I, like I said, I, my commitment is always to the truth and what feels right and honest
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at the time. And so I didn't think, you know, I don't like to overthink things. I like to go with
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intuition. And so just day by day, I just posted like I would any story as it progressed and sort of,
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um, you know, I tried to figure out what's, what's real and what's, what's important. And at the end of
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the day, my audience did not care about, you know, a scandal like this. They, they didn't care.
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They wanted to go back to the issues that they stand behind that he was amplifying. And so that
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was sort of reassuring, you know, like people didn't really get, want to get caught up and
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they really believed in him. And so that's what I focused on.
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What is the truth? If you know it about the feud, it seems or disagreement, I would say between
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Casey means and Nicole Shanahan, two people I've interacted with super respect both of their work
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a lot. Um, but there seems to be something going on there where Nicole is saying Casey doesn't seem to
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be who she says she is. Callie obviously defending his sister, but it just seems like there was kind
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of a fracture of Maha and no one really knows exactly what is true. Um, I didn't realize that
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there were those disagreements within Maha. Did you already know that before that came to light?
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You know, I found that out later. I kept hearing, you know, I always hear things like I have a lot of
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sources. So I hear whispers and rumors and things, but I hadn't really given it much, um, energy. I
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just didn't really understand it. Um, and again, I like both, both of them. I like the mean sibling so
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much and I love Nicole Shanahan. I think she has really great ideas and I've liked watching her
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evolution from again, like, you know, it's relatable. She was super left and she's sort of in front of us,
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like has, um, pivoted. But, um, I, I think what I'm learning is politics. There's a lot of egos and
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personal issues that can taint the over, you know, the common goal. And I think with this, I learned
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there was a lot of, um, you know, I think, I think everyone maybe has an idea about where the health
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movement should go from here and who should be in charge of how it happens. And, um, so, you know,
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it's always going to get a little messy with like these different perspectives and sort of grievances
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that maybe we don't know about. I think, I think, and I, you know, like it was sort of rough in the
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campaign. Um, there was some tensions between Bobby Kennedy and Nicole Shanahan that I don't know
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the details on, but I just think it's hard to know what the real story is, you know? So I think,
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I always think it's, um, unfortunate when everybody's, when there's infighting. Yeah. It's
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like all of these people pretty much agree on the same fundamental issues. And so it works better when
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collectively we're all supporting each other towards it, you know? I love Nicole. I think
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like her story and her vulnerability is just really compelling. And I think she's like a very
00:24:57.620
genuine person that would only speak up if she sincerely felt concerned about something. And I
00:25:04.080
don't know Casey personally, but when I had her on my show, this was before she blew up. Okay. I was
00:25:11.320
like, saw a tweet thread by her and I was like, that's an interesting tweet thread. It had like
00:25:14.760
15 likes or something when I saw it and we had her on. And after she got off the couch, like my
00:25:20.640
producer, Bree and I looked at each other and we were like, I think that is the best interview that
00:25:26.380
we've ever done. And I have like 1500 episodes that I've done of Relatable. Really? There was
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something about her, like just how she explained things. And I have talked to hundreds and hundreds of
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people that I was like, I don't know. I just knew that from then on it was going to be different for
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her, not because of my show, but just because of her. She's got a very captivating vision in way
00:25:51.640
that she articulates it. So like I'm rooting for her success big time as Surgeon General. I mean,
00:25:56.340
I don't know who else I would want in that position. Well, that's the thing too. I'm like,
00:25:59.400
when have we ever really gone, like, I mean, gone this hard on anyone who's run, like,
00:26:04.800
do you even know who was the last Surgeon General? Do we know? I don't know about Biden.
00:26:09.480
I don't, I don't. But so I, I like both women and it, to me, I always look at these things as
00:26:15.980
like a family issue. Like I feel like we're, I mean, even all the way up to the top, the president,
00:26:20.500
Elon, all these like feuds and stuff to me, I just look at it like one big family where you have,
00:26:26.840
you know, you're going to have rough times and you just have to work through them the best and
00:26:32.920
smartest way. And, and a lot of that is just being, you know, openly honest and communicating.
00:26:40.460
Okay. We were talking about Elon. Um, what do you think about Elon in general? Very complicated
00:26:45.020
figure. Well, I love Elon cause I can never decide what I think about him. And I talk about it all
00:26:49.760
the time. I changed my mind on him. Like even last night we walked out front. I've been traveling for
00:26:54.840
the past 10 days and there was the SpaceX launch, you know, and it was like, it's so beautiful. Right.
00:27:00.420
Right. And our whole family was out watching it and I'm like, Oh gosh, now I love Elon again. Like
00:27:05.040
it's such a space romantic. Um, I think for me, some of these people, it doesn't even matter what
00:27:12.540
I think about him. I think he's a great character in this timeline and I I'm excited to see, I even
00:27:18.200
like when I'm mad at him and I like when he's crazy and, um, you know, he's, he has unique opinions
00:27:25.140
and I think he's obviously he's like a, one of the most brilliant minds of our generation. And I
00:27:30.800
think we should sort of appreciate that even when we're annoyed and confused. Okay. I was very
00:27:38.760
confused when he had conflict and beef with president Trump online. You know, he went from
00:27:44.140
saying that he loves Trump as much as any heterosexual man can love another man. That was like a few
00:27:50.760
months ago or whatever. And then he said, you know, after he exited Doge, he was like, you
00:27:57.660
know, Trump is, went to Epstein Island. Bye. Because they were mad about the big, beautiful
00:28:03.100
bill. Elon didn't want the big, beautiful bill. And of course Trump did. And then Elon got
00:28:09.100
back to, you know, praising him and apparently they reconciled. I don't know, but I'm like, okay,
00:28:15.240
so did you reconcile with like with an actual pedophile or did you lie about him being an
00:28:21.100
actual pedophile? Cause both are really bad. Or maybe I'm just not thinking about it. How
00:28:25.680
Elon is thinking about it. I don't know. I mean, it's hard to say. I think that was a crazy,
00:28:32.160
crazy 48 hour cycle. But then I think too, like Elon's the same as any of us that he gets worked
00:28:40.360
up and he gets fired up and angry about whatever, you know, who knows what was going on with them
00:28:45.140
privately. He might've been really upset about whether how it was affecting his businesses or
00:28:49.180
he just does not think this is a good move. But like back in the day, we didn't have, not
00:28:54.360
everyone had millions of people on a live, you know what I mean? Like people, we respond
00:29:01.340
in real time and we make mistakes. I think he definitely made a mistake because I don't
00:29:05.140
believe that he thinks Donald Trump is a pedophile. I think he regrets doing that. And I think,
00:29:11.860
um, I think it was a really bad look, but I also feel like we should give people grace. I've been
00:29:20.280
in situations where I react, um, in real time based on anger or, you know, whatever the emotion is. But
00:29:29.440
I just, I mean, I can't, I can't really hate him. I think it was a bad move and I think he regrets it.
00:29:37.740
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00:29:45.840
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Speaking of conflict, can you tell me where it stands between you and Candace Owens?
00:31:07.580
I think, well, we obviously had a very public feud that I wasn't anticipating. And I think it got spun
00:31:15.260
a certain way based on missing facts. And it involves, you know, personal, a friendship with
00:31:23.340
my best friend and another former employee who, I just think, you know, I wasn't able, I realized at
00:31:32.040
a certain point I was not able to share the details of it. And so you learn the hard way that
00:31:38.220
the truth isn't always an option. And so I just really kind of got steamrolled by a version of it
00:31:46.340
that was not the full truth. And, but I mean, as far as how I feel about Candace, I think she's
00:31:52.320
brilliant. I've always thought that. I don't always agree with her. A lot of times I do agree with her.
00:31:57.080
I feel like she is an ally in so many of these major issues. But again, I just see a pattern of like
00:32:04.440
conflict that is just not what I'm interested in. I think I find conversation, I find humor and
00:32:12.400
sort of humility and conversation and discussion. And I just don't want anything to do with sort of
00:32:22.200
Hmm. What would you say if she, cause I don't even remember, I remember trying to follow the
00:32:27.620
back and forth. It was really hard to follow. There were a lot of different things like
00:32:30.780
listening to her and looking at your stories. And if she said, okay, but you, you came at me first,
00:32:38.380
Jessica, I liked you and you came at me first. You criticized, I don't even remember exactly what
00:32:42.720
it was. So, cause I just, I got a lot of messages saying, please ask her about this.
00:32:47.980
Well, yeah. And so, yeah. I think everyone's confused and I get it, but I just have to sort
00:32:53.200
of accept it because it's one of those things I can't share all the details on because my personal
00:32:59.440
issues got spun into it when it really shouldn't have been, you know, it was really sort of unfair,
00:33:04.980
I think. But yeah, I think I'm allowed to create, I think it all stemmed from a very mild article where
00:33:12.240
I was talking about who we trust in media, which is, I think about it all the time, even with
00:33:16.760
myself, like, who do I trust now? And I, I think I'm at a weird place where I don't actually know
00:33:21.480
what's real, you know? So I wrote this article and I just feel like I'm allowed, like anyone to
00:33:26.100
criticize media personalities. You know, I was saying, I don't even remember what I wrote. It
00:33:30.200
was very mild, but I just sort of went through these different personalities and like, I guess I
00:33:35.760
was thinking out loud, which is what I do a lot in my newsletters. I go through things I'm
00:33:40.200
contemplating or struggling with in real time. And so I, it just started, it kind of became this like
00:33:47.780
back and forth. And I had so much going on that I wasn't fully paying attention to how it was being
00:33:54.600
portrayed and perceived and sort of spun from her angle. And she, I, you know, I offered to go on
00:34:01.140
her show. I offered, I called her, I wanted to talk to her and she didn't take my calls. So
00:34:05.060
at a certain point I realized she really wasn't interested in hearing me out. And so it just,
00:34:10.880
you know, I have to trust at the end of the day that my intentions will like speak for themselves.
00:34:18.380
I really believe in what I do and I try my best every single day to put out what I feel is, um,
00:34:25.460
beneficial to the internet, like the strangers on the internet. I want everyone to feel more informed
00:34:31.300
and entertained by whatever I'm doing. So, um, I have no, again, no grudge. I think she's very good
00:34:38.400
at what she does and it, you know, it's very different mediums. Like she has a studio and a team
00:34:45.120
where they sort of, you know, help her address people and it's a big audience. I sit in a room by
00:34:53.160
myself and write and not everybody wants to read 20 minute articles about some of these things. So
00:34:58.380
we reach people in different ways and I just think it's hard. That's a. Well, here's the question.
00:35:04.100
Do you think Emmanuel Macron is married to his brother, a man? Cause I don't know. I like that
00:35:11.700
series is fascinating. It really was. And like so well-researched and just like, do you,
00:35:17.820
do you think that Bridgette Macron is a man? I thought the series was amazing. I promoted that
00:35:24.760
series like crazy because I, I thought it was done so well and it was like, it makes you think
00:35:29.840
about it all differently. Right. But, um, I politics is gross. That's what I mean. I think
00:35:35.400
at the end of the day, there's so much that we don't know about a lot of people. I walked away
00:35:42.000
thinking, I think it's possible. Like, I think it's possible, but I'm still like more grossed out
00:35:49.920
by Hunter Biden's laptop by what I saw on that, you know, like, yeah, that's really these politicians.
00:35:55.380
It's a, it's a, yeah, it's a. Yeah. I think that there's a lot of ugliness when it comes to royalty,
00:36:01.680
when it comes to politics, a lot of political dynasties that we don't know that probably would
00:36:07.860
shock us. You follow the British royalty. I love very closely. Right. Okay. Um, do you think that
00:36:15.940
the hatred of Meghan Markle is totally justified or do you think any of it is blown out of proportion?
00:36:23.380
No, I think it's justified. Yeah. Because I, because I do watch them so closely. I watched
00:36:28.060
how it happened and I saw mistake after mistake being made on their end. And I just think, I mean,
00:36:35.620
it's still, it's still continuing right now. There is lack of self-awareness there. I don't think,
00:36:41.340
um, the timing and each of their decisions and just, I think to publicly drag the family into
00:36:48.560
that whole drama of like, you know, the racism claims and stuff. It was just really, it was
00:36:55.000
really messy. And I don't, I don't think, I think that sort of set a really bad tone where
00:36:58.740
it's like they were trying to break free, but they looked miserable while they were doing it. And
00:37:03.220
they were doing like, you want privacy, but then you actually want documentaries and podcasts and all
00:37:07.780
these things. So I think nothing about them seems genuine. And when you don't seem genuine at all,
00:37:13.420
people don't take you seriously. And so I think, uh, yeah, I, I don't think it is, um, exaggerated.
00:37:23.280
I think that's just not, you know, it's like you, you want the title of the Royals, but you don't want
00:37:30.040
any of the responsibility or duty that comes with that. And so it's just, it's like, you're a fraud,
00:37:36.320
right? Like you want to capitalize and profit off of a title, but then you're going to drag the family
00:37:45.080
title through the mud. Like it's just, and for a Royalist like myself, it was, um, I thought it was
00:37:51.980
messy and tacky. Okay. I saw some video going around on acts of her in the hospital room, like
00:37:59.080
dancing while pregnant. And I thought a lot of people saying like she was faking the pregnancy.
00:38:04.240
It doesn't look like a real pregnant belly. I kind of thought that was silly. I'm like,
00:38:07.540
I think it looks like a real pregnant belly. I mean, I don't mind the criticism of her,
00:38:11.540
but sometimes I'm like, okay, people are just like looking for things to come up with.
00:38:17.240
So not all these conspiracies I like, I don't like the fake pregnancy stuff. That was definitely
00:38:22.500
her pregnant in the hospital. To me, I thought it was sort of cringy because again, they made such a
00:38:28.320
big deal about privacy, but now you're releasing your most private home videos for the internet to
00:38:34.000
see because you want to sell your show or your jam or honey, whatever she's making. Um, I just,
00:38:41.900
they're sort of silly, right? Like I think when you look at the contrast between what William and Kate
00:38:46.380
are doing, which is really, you know, owning those roles and they have managed to really secure this
00:38:55.220
image that that role demands. And then I think you see the, these other, you know, the brother. And I
00:39:01.560
think people don't like seeing Diana's boys fighting. Okay. We all, we like feel some sort
00:39:07.880
of connection to them and we don't want the, like as a mother, you don't want to see, you don't want
00:39:14.300
your kids to grow up and not like each other. So I just think the whole thing's sad. I liked when
00:39:18.900
they were all getting along for those two weeks or whatever it was. You wish you would have married
00:39:23.640
someone else? Uh, yeah. I think. Do you have someone in mind? That I think Harry should have
00:39:29.420
married? Yeah. Well, I liked, was her name Chelsea? It was the blonde. I liked them together. Hmm. I
00:39:36.540
don't see, I don't really know anything about it. I mean. You have to Google when we get off. There's
00:39:39.940
part of me that does. I don't know why. Maybe I'm just like subject to the propaganda or, you know,
00:39:45.360
a victim of the propaganda. There's sometimes I do feel bad for her. Cause I just feel like she's
00:39:50.160
trying so hard to be relatable and likable. And it just doesn't come naturally for her. I just think
00:39:56.920
she comes across like she doesn't like people and she's trying to pretend like she likes people.
00:40:01.760
And I'm like, then just go be an introvert. Just go do that. I actually think people could respect
00:40:07.100
that more if they were like, we want privacy. And they went off by themselves and didn't talk to
00:40:11.200
people. Oh yeah. But we want privacy, but also I'm so warm and I welcome people into my home every
00:40:16.240
day. But I obviously am like super annoyed by these people who are right by me. I don't know.
00:40:22.120
There's part of me that like feels bad for them. I think you're very nice and you're giving her the
00:40:25.900
benefit of the doubt, which is so sweet. But no, there, I could spend an hour on, we should have just
00:40:31.380
had me on just for Meghan Markle. Um, no, just like even naming the baby after his grandmother who
00:40:37.960
never, you know, met the baby and those last, you know, months of her life was fraught with
00:40:45.300
family conflict because like I could go on and on. I just don't think, um, like I always say,
00:40:51.720
like, you know, one of my kids is going to end up with a Meghan Markle. Like I'm so scared. Like,
00:40:56.320
I just don't think these are the type of women I love. See, that's why you got to believe in praying.
00:41:01.600
You got to pray. I have to pray for a Kate. Yes, we have to pray for the right spouse for your
00:41:06.940
kid. I mean, it makes a difference with, you know, boys are like whoever they marry is very
00:41:11.080
influential as to how you, your relationship as adults. So totally. I mean, yeah. Got to hope
00:41:17.080
these boys are smart. Yes. Okay. How old are your kids now? Um, Arlo is 19. Leon is 16. Rex is 15.
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Allie10. Okay. Karen read trial. Um, I know right now we're waiting for the verdict. We don't have a
00:42:46.940
verdict yet. So by the time this comes out, I'm sure that we will, but tell us what drew you to this
00:42:53.040
case. Well, actually I ignored the case. I overlooked it because I had so many, I was still
00:42:58.740
finishing up politics and I was just getting into figuring out what white house access looks like,
00:43:04.260
you know? So I opted out of that trial, but then the last week I was in New York, I spent a full day
00:43:11.320
watching all the documentaries and catching up. And then I joined, you know how great it is when you have
00:43:15.080
an online community. I joined or started a chat in Substack and I had all my, um, readers catch me
00:43:23.280
up. So then I was obsessed because I didn't realize it involved sort of like this whole small town, um,
00:43:31.040
conflict. Like people are really divided over it, families, towns, people. Um, so it's, it had all
00:43:38.080
these layers. And so I got in very late, but now I'm fully, I get it now. Like I get why everybody
00:43:43.420
is so invested. And she absolutely based on all evidence I've seen is innocent. And this is all
00:43:52.740
part of a really corrupt small town coverup. So we are waiting right now to see if the jury feels the
00:43:59.540
same way. Okay. Tell us, can you fill in some details for those who have no idea what this is?
00:44:04.260
Oh, they don't know who Karen Reed is? Yeah. Basically she's accused of killing her husband.
00:44:10.200
He, they, the accusation is that she ran into, backed into him in the snow and he died from that. But
00:44:17.120
there is most of the evidence points to a different way of death. Yeah. And so many things don't add up.
00:44:26.940
So I've, I mean, it's like, there's so much, but there's no point of impact on his body and, you
00:44:33.860
know, issues with his phone temperature and when he was found. And then it was at, it was a room,
00:44:40.460
a house party full of drunken cops. So do you think that, do you think that the verdict will
00:44:47.640
agree with you? Do you think the jury will agree with you? Well, that's the thing we got. As soon
00:44:51.900
as we reached this point, it's so intense because now when you're emotionally invested in a trial,
00:44:55.920
you, you know, you're on edge right now, everyone's on edge over this verdict. And I pulled my
00:45:00.720
audience and they were 90, I think it was between 80 and 90%. They believe she's not guilty. So as
00:45:08.140
of right now, the jury's asking some questions that are kind of tossing our, um, we, we don't know
00:45:15.800
what they, where, where they stand right now, but it is crazy how it's mirroring this, the, her last
00:45:20.140
trial. Cause this is, um, this is a retrial. So if, if they go the same way and it's a hung jury,
00:45:26.160
it's like, does that go a third time to try? Like, do we put, do we pay for a third trial for
00:45:32.000
this woman? Wow. I'm so interested now. No, you, oh my gosh, I should have put you on the chat.
00:45:37.100
Well, now I need to go back and I need to look at all the details. Cause I really haven't been
00:45:41.600
following closely. Sometimes I feel like there's just like too much in the world to follow.
00:45:45.060
Well, if you follow that HBO documentary, a body in the snow is really, really good. And it
00:45:49.560
shows both sides and it talks to all parties. I know I don't sometimes documentaries are like,
00:45:54.240
they still obviously have an agenda. I would, I don't recommend many of them because I feel like
00:45:59.100
they have an agenda and it's done well. Now I have something to watch. Yeah, no,
00:46:02.420
you'll love it. It's a, it's a series. I think there's five of them. It's really,
00:46:05.580
really well done. So Vanity Fair recently did a profile on you and I, I mean, I thought that it
00:46:12.400
was kind of rude and belittling. They, you know, said journalist and report, they put it in scare
00:46:18.600
quotes, but obviously you're reporting on stories that a lot of people in the mainstream media
00:46:24.200
aren't. And so like, what is your reaction or response when Vanity Fair or other journalists
00:46:30.780
try to kind of like diminish you? With Vanity Fair, it's, it's more comical because it was so
00:46:38.640
snarky, right? It was very petty. I felt like it was like high school mean girl. Um, and the fact
00:46:44.960
that they write so frequently about me is sort of weirdly flattering. Like they care that much about
00:46:50.220
who I'm fighting with. Um, but I, I think it doesn't hurt me at all. My, my readers are not
00:46:56.260
the people who are tuning into or waiting for Vanity Fair to tell them what they think really
00:47:00.320
about anything. So, um, I mean, that was the last one was really rude. You know, they brought in some
00:47:06.860
of the gross remarks Laura Loomer wrote about me. I just, to me, that wasn't a story, but why do you
00:47:13.460
think you scared them so much? Like why do they care? Well, I think because we're in a period of
00:47:18.500
shifting media, there's a war among media where the trust is shifted to independent, you know,
00:47:25.740
channels and personalities. And so a lot of people I hear, they associate me with like what Vanity Fair
00:47:34.260
used to be, where it is, you know, society scenes and gossip, but it's also hardcore reporting. And I
00:47:42.200
am getting stories that, you know, maybe they would have gotten in the past. I think there's a
00:47:48.580
competitive, obviously I can't figure out what else it could be. There's a competitive aspect to it.
00:47:55.400
And I think they are resentful over, you know, like the shifting of the guards. Like it's,
00:48:02.340
people don't, sadly, people don't read magazines anymore. I miss them personally, but, um,
00:48:08.780
I think, you know, I think that their, their, their goal is to constantly dismiss me and sort of
00:48:16.980
ridicule me so that in the hopes that everybody sees what a, you know, fraud of a mommy, what do
00:48:24.380
they call it? Like a mommy blogging alt-right, um, conspiracy theorist, RFK fangirl. All the labels.
00:48:31.660
Oh, and I, yeah. Um, how do you deal with like the emotional toll of not just taking criticism,
00:48:37.980
but also diving into these super dark stories? Well, that's a good question. Um, they do affect
00:48:45.340
me differently. That's why, you know, I mentioned pulling out of Britney Spears, the coverage there,
00:48:51.080
because it, when it starts to get too, when it weighs me in a negative and sort of a dark way, I,
00:48:58.900
I will usually kind of back away. And so that's why I am hesitant about, I am going to go into this
00:49:06.640
murder case in August, the Brian Koberger murder of these young college kids. And I do know in the
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past when I've covered murder, it's, it is very taxing, you know, it's different than, you know,
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I love like covering parties and going to like going sailing on campaign. I like all the lightness,
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but I think, yeah, you, you, it puts you in a different space mentally. Yeah. Well,
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I'm so glad to hear that you are on your journey of like reading the Bible, even if that's not
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something that you share in detail with everyone. I know that you like had, you were talking about
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like a house and habit Bible study on Instagram. Um, okay. I'm going to send you, you probably already
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have a Bible, but I send a lot of people, my favorite study Bible. I don't know if you already
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have like a study Bible. I could use all the help. Okay. I'm going to send it to you. And I do this for
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a lot of guests because for me, like when I started really digging into the Bible 15 years ago or so,
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I needed help understanding like, okay, what does this first mean? This sounds super weird.
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And obviously the commentary is just written by people. And so it's somewhat of an opinion, but
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it's careful. It's really careful the commentary. So I'm going to send you my, one of my favorite
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books, and then I'll send you an ESV study Bible. And yeah, not that I, I don't know nearly close to
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everything about Christianity, but of course, if you ever have any questions or just want to talk
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about things, I'm here and you've got a lot of people in this audience who are praying for you.
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Oh, thank you. And that was the other question that I got. Can you ask her like where she is
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and her spiritual journey? Because like people just love you and they're rooting for you and
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they know that you cover dark things. And so it's like for us who are Christians, we're like, gosh,
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I couldn't do this if it weren't for the hope of Jesus and knowing that good will triumph in the end
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because of him. And so, yeah, just a lot of people are thinking of you.
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Well, that means so much. And I do feel it. I have the best, um, the best people behind me and I do
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feel it. So I'm always appreciative of prayers and support. Yes. Well, thank you so much, Jessica. I
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know you don't do like a ton of interviews, so I feel honored. So thank you so much. Well, thank you.