Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1212 ｜ The Left Cares About (Certain) Unborn Babies Now

00:00:00.000 David French has seemingly reversed his view on transgenderism, calling a man she in the New York

00:00:09.500 Times. Also, there's some confusion about birthright citizenship and whether it's something

00:00:16.300 we as conservatives, as Christians, should support. A terrible story about a pregnant woman losing her

00:00:24.080 baby when she was being detained by ICE has been making the rounds. But as always, we've got to

00:00:30.140 ask the question, is it true? We'll be talking about all of this and more on today's episode of

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00:00:41.500 Allie at checkout. That's goodranchers.com, code Allie. Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy

00:00:55.760 Monday. Hope everyone is having a wonderful week so far. A couple housekeeping things. Remember,

00:01:01.660 this is the week that we start three times a week. If you need my full announcement and explanation

00:01:06.900 for why we are going down to three times a week, you can go back and listen to Thursday's episode

00:01:12.080 or watch Thursday's episode. So Monday, Wednesday, Friday will be the new schedule. But this Friday,

00:01:17.540 we won't have an episode because it will be July 4th. Yay! So excited. It's like one of my favorite

00:01:23.720 days of the year. And I hope you guys have fun plans. This is the actual No Kings Day. You remember

00:01:30.600 that super lame protest from a couple weeks ago? The same people that were begging the

00:01:36.880 governments to force churches to close down and force us to mask our toddlers on airplanes are

00:01:43.540 now pretending that they are against tyrants. You remember that silly demonstration? Actual No

00:01:48.800 Kings Day is July 4th, where we celebrate our country and the values that she is supposed to

00:01:55.560 represent, the freedom that our Constitution guarantees. No matter what politician is in office,

00:02:01.920 we can be thankful to God for these things and do our best in every sphere of our lives

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00:03:03.240 do that crew neck justice. It looks a lot better in person. The front has the little embroidered R

00:03:10.380 on both of those, the razor respectful ruckus, self love won't save you. The little embroidered R

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00:03:36.360 I will be wearing one of these. I haven't decided which I think on the show tomorrow. Good Allie.

00:03:41.940 No, tomorrow I have to wear my 4th of July gear that I have, but I will be wearing these at some

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00:03:58.700 allymerch.com. All right. It's Monday. So I'll just remind you that God's eternal plan of redemption

00:04:04.900 is always going off without a hitch and all you are responsible for doing at any given moment,

00:04:11.340 whether you are changing a diaper, washing dishes, sending an email, or you are doing some big,

00:04:17.480 bold act of courage and obedience and evangelism is to do the next right thing in faith.

00:04:22.860 with excellence and for the glory of God. In faith with excellence and for the glory of God.

00:04:28.700 That's all you can ever have the capacity to do empowered by the Holy Spirit. It is a good

00:04:34.400 life being a Christian because we get to trust God for all of our needs and to conform even the

00:04:41.200 desires of our hearts into his desires. And he is going to take care of us. I read this line the other day

00:04:47.680 in a devotional that said, trusting in God and his sovereignty means I am never the first one on the

00:04:54.240 scene. And I just stopped as I read that. I'm never the first one on the scene. So no matter what room

00:04:59.580 or space you enter, no matter what job you are about to do, whatever role you are about to fulfill,

00:05:05.520 God has already been there. He is not restricted by linear time the way humans are. He is outside of time.

00:05:11.700 He is sovereign over all of it. And he has arranged everything in your life to accomplish through and

00:05:18.980 in you exactly what he wants to accomplish. That is a good life that Christians get to live. No matter

00:05:25.000 what you are going through, he is going to complete your journey of sanctification

00:05:29.940 because he is faithful to do that. All right. Today's a news episode. That's what format we're doing.

00:05:36.680 It's News Monday, Theology Wednesday, Interview Friday. So we'll always have a little theology on Monday

00:05:43.300 because we've got to. We've got to be reminded of who is in charge as we get into the craziness of

00:05:47.940 what's going on in the world. And the craziness right now is in the pages of an outlet called

00:05:54.500 The Dispatch. And it has to do with David French, whom we have spoken of many times. David French,

00:06:02.360 if you don't know, a columnist for the New York Times, you might be thinking, well, yeah,

00:06:07.440 David French is progressive then if he writes for the New York Times. And so, of course,

00:06:11.260 you're going to have an issue with him. But you see, David French didn't always write for the New

00:06:15.120 York Times. He wrote for National Review and he has billed himself as a true principled conservative,

00:06:20.500 a conservative of all conservatives, the most conservative, the conservative-est,

00:06:25.500 if you will, because he has stood against Donald Trump based on principle. And there have been

00:06:32.580 times in my life when I've been pretty sympathetic to David French's position, when it seemed that he

00:06:38.280 was critiquing Donald Trump from the right, when he was so conservative and so constitutional that he

00:06:45.080 just couldn't get behind someone that he saw as an authoritarian, someone whose values didn't align

00:06:52.320 with his biblical faith. But as time has gone on, he has gone the way of people like Russell Moore

00:06:59.140 that because, maybe not because of, but alongside of his disdain for Donald Trump, he has also become

00:07:06.860 more progressive. And so I take his arguments against Donald Trump much less seriously. It's a

00:07:12.760 lot more convincing for a conservative like me when you have a conservative case against Donald Trump

00:07:17.860 and the Republican Party or the policies that he's putting in place. But when your argument is

00:07:23.680 actually mushy or when it's compromising or when it's unbiblical, when it's progressive, then you're

00:07:30.680 just not really someone that I can take seriously as like this principled conservative. I'm just like,

00:07:36.060 yeah, you don't like Donald Trump because you're more liberal than conservatives. And of course,

00:07:40.100 you don't like his conservative policy because you're progressive. And David French has become

00:07:44.360 more progressive. And the most recent sign that we have seen of this is that he is now calling a man

00:07:50.660 who recently decided to identify as a woman, she, when previously David French would say, no, I'm not

00:07:57.660 going to do that. In fact, in 2018, while writing for National Review, French refused to use the name

00:08:03.720 Chelsea for former army intelligence analyst Bradley Manning. You remember so-called Chelsea Manning?

00:08:10.280 And this is a person who now thinks that he is a woman. He argued then in the pages of the National

00:08:15.780 Review that using Manning's preferred name did not align with his Christian belief. So I will sometimes

00:08:22.260 even use people's preferred name. I just won't say that a man is a she. And David French even went beyond

00:08:32.040 that. Okay. When you go even like beyond where Ali Stuckey is typically when it comes to gender, I mean,

00:08:39.080 that's like, that's very conservative. He said that he wouldn't even call Bradley Manning Chelsea in

00:08:45.260 2018, but now he's totally changed his tune. Now French refers to Brian Riddell. I think that's how

00:08:52.900 Rydell, I'm not sure how you pronounce his last name, um, who is a Manhattan Institute senior fellow who

00:09:00.480 now, uh, it has just been announced rights for the dispatch where David French is a senior editor

00:09:08.340 and his preferred name, Brian Riddell's new name is Jessica. And so it was announced that Jessica

00:09:17.580 is writing for the dispatch and David French says, this is great news for the dispatch. Nobody is better

00:09:24.020 on fiscal policy than Jessica. Jessica and I recently had a great conversation about the grim realities of

00:09:30.980 the federal budget on the opinions podcast link in next tweet. Now I think that David French was

00:09:38.480 being particular about not saying she in this post. I think that he said Jessica twice because he didn't

00:09:47.640 want the discord in his replies. But if you look at an article that he wrote in the New York times

00:09:56.360 in which he interviewed Brian Riddell, um, he says this, he says, Jessica might be one of the nation's

00:10:04.500 foremost experts about the federal budget and about America's fiscal realities. And she has taught me an

00:10:10.200 enormous amount about those issues. So I am delighted that Jessica is joining us for this

00:10:16.700 conversation. Okay. So he is using those female pronouns. Now you could say the New York times would

00:10:22.880 never allow him to use male pronouns for someone who identifies as a woman, but if you are so principled

00:10:29.280 and you are so on the side of truth and reality, David French, would you really allow an editorial team

00:10:36.020 at the New York times or anywhere to compel you to lie? Because that's what you have done in this

00:10:42.480 particular article. So let's go back and read what David French said in 2018, why he was so adamant

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00:12:15.680 In 2018, when he was writing about Bradley slash Chelsea Manning, the article was titled The

00:12:27.460 Transgender Debate, Conservatives Cannot Compromise Truth. This was published on May 19th, 2018. He

00:12:33.940 argued that conservatives must hold firm to the biological reality of sex and resist compromising

00:12:39.200 on truth in the transgender debate. He said, the transgender debate is not about tolerance. It's

00:12:44.180 about truth. Conservatives cannot, must not compromise on the biological reality of sex,

00:12:50.340 and they cannot pretend that surgically or chemically altering the body somehow changes

00:12:55.860 that reality. He specifically addressed the case of Bradley Manning. He says, this is David French in

00:13:02.780 2018, just seven short years ago. I won't call Chelsea Manning she. It's not a matter of disrespect.

00:13:09.700 It's a matter of truth. To use female pronouns is to endorse fiction, and I won't do it. The push to

00:13:18.620 mandate pronoun usage, David French says, is a direct assault on free speech and religious liberty.

00:13:25.360 When the state or culture demands that we lie with our words, it's not just a social norm,

00:13:31.300 it's tyranny. The irony is in all of this, David French has been arguing for years that evangelicals,

00:13:39.360 that conservatives have accepted a tyrant in Trump because he has promised to give us some of the

00:13:46.560 things that we want, that he would say we've abandoned the Bible, we've abandoned the Constitution,

00:13:51.880 all in service of this god of MAGA, this cult-like association with Donald Trump. And yet here he is

00:14:05.420 submitting to what he has called tyranny by calling a man she. He is now writing fiction in the New York

00:14:14.040 Times, either because his conscience has changed on this, and if so, let's hear it. Let's hear the facts

00:14:20.740 that have changed, that have made you change your mind on this. His faith has changed. He doesn't

00:14:25.620 believe that biological, physical reality actually trumps this inner spiritual voice that tells a

00:14:33.680 person that they're not actually their biology. He doesn't care about God's authority that God says

00:14:39.760 in Genesis 127 that we are made male and female in his image. And he is simply and or he is simply

00:14:49.860 submitting to the authoritarianism of the New York Times, which says, yeah, you have to lie. You have

00:14:57.940 to affirm someone's stated identity, no matter what reality says. David French often talks about how

00:15:06.000 evangelicals have lost our credibility because we've compromised for Trump. David French has

00:15:13.040 compromised the integrity of Christianity and biblical truth by lying in this way far more than any Trump

00:15:23.320 voting evangelical ever has. Because at least those of us who have voted for Trump and are conservative

00:15:31.340 Christians, at least we are honest about some of the issues that we have with Trump, but the stakes

00:15:38.880 in each election that we are considering and the why behind voting for a policy platform on the Republican

00:15:46.640 side that is better than the policy platform on the left side without completely dismissing some of the

00:15:53.920 moral issues that we have with Donald Trump personally. But we are still taking the Bible seriously.

00:16:01.060 We just realized that no politician is going to be perfect. And we see the insanity, the debauchery,

00:16:08.180 the depravity of left-wing policies, the disorder that is enshrined into left-wing policy platforms.

00:16:15.880 And we say, yeah, I mean, Trump, even with his flaws, he's better. His platform is better. Okay,

00:16:21.940 that's an honest position to take even if you disagree with it. What is not the more honest position?

00:16:29.300 What is the dishonest position is to say that you are so principled, you are so moral, you are so

00:16:35.100 much more righteous than everyone who voted for Donald Trump. You take your faith in the Bible so

00:16:39.620 much more seriously. That's why you can't be pro-MAGA. And yet here you are compromising in a cowardly way

00:16:47.460 that almost no Christian evangelical who voted for Trump would do. And that is lying for money,

00:16:55.860 for power, or because you're a coward, or because you've compromised in a way that is completely

00:17:01.540 unbiblical. And again, that is far more embarrassing for the faith that you proclaim David French than a

00:17:11.720 Christian voting for Donald Trump. Okay? You have compromised your faith and abandoned what it

00:17:19.660 means to be a Christian just as much as any January 6th that told them that God said that they should

00:17:28.060 storm the Capitol. Yeah, hard pill to swallow. Let's learn a little bit more about Brian Riddell,

00:17:37.440 this person who has been accepted in some right-wing circles, who is a grown man with two children and a

00:17:44.480 wife who has declared after many years living as the man that he is, that he is a woman. So Riddell's

00:17:52.840 previous roles include chief economist to Senator Rob Portman, lead research fellow on federal budget

00:17:59.260 and spending policy at the Heritage Foundation. Okay, it's Riedel, Riedel. Okay, let me say that

00:18:05.460 correctly. Brian Riedel at the Heritage Foundation for a decade and director of budget and spending policy

00:18:13.020 for Marco Rubio's 2016 presidential campaign. Those are some conservative bona fides right there.

00:18:20.700 Heritage Foundation. In February of this year, he posted a coming out announcement on Substack

00:18:27.840 titled, Yes, My Name Has Changed. So here's what he says. He says a variety of things. I won't read the

00:18:35.420 entire article, but he says, I've unmistakably known I was transgender since the age of four. Medical scans

00:18:41.580 and examinations performed as a volunteer in medical studies have since confirmed my predominantly

00:18:47.520 female brain biology, along with other biological characteristics that have countered my outwardly male

00:18:54.160 appearance. That is just hogwash. I'm sorry, it's just hogwash. And I say this truly sadly, this is not to be

00:19:02.580 mean, but what you just saw, the picture, the juxtaposition right there, what has to be going

00:19:11.320 through a man's brain to go from a handsome man, he was a handsome man, to someone, to a man who is

00:19:19.000 trying to dress up as a woman. Okay, this person doesn't look like a woman, does not look feminine,

00:19:23.740 does not look female in any sense, looks like a man who grew out his hair, is wearing some makeup and

00:19:29.980 is like playing dress up as a woman. That's a really, really troubled person. And I do have

00:19:36.700 sympathy for that because I have sympathy to a degree. Because in order to do that, you have to be

00:19:44.080 under very heavy delusion, extremely heavy delusion and maybe some distress. But what I don't believe

00:19:51.820 is that this person has a female brain. I don't even think that that is real. Yes, men and women's

00:19:57.780 brains are different. We function differently. That is based on a lot of things. It's based on

00:20:03.240 gametes. It's based on our hormones. This kind of differentiation starts in the womb. It gets

00:20:09.420 more pronounced throughout our lives, especially after puberty. But this is someone who grew into a

00:20:14.860 male, was a male, but grew into a man and went through regular puberty. And when you look

00:20:21.740 at specifically this claim that you can have a brain scan that shows that you have a female

00:20:27.320 brain, the studies that claim to prove this are just completely bunk. And in fact, a fellow

00:20:35.040 Manhattan Institute fellow, Colin Wright, we've had him on this podcast, and Manhattan Institute

00:20:41.300 writer, Christina Buttons, published an article in March saying that these transgender medical scans

00:20:48.480 are totally flawed. They said fatally flawed. And of course, that's ironic, given that Brian is

00:20:54.960 actually at the Manhattan Institute. So their article, Buttons and Wright, they argue this. They

00:21:03.220 claim this in the article. The article states that the notion of a female brain in a male body or vice

00:21:08.140 versa is not supported by current neuroscience. Studies claiming that transgender brains align more

00:21:13.280 closely with their gender identity, so-called, often rely on small sample sizes, inconsistent

00:21:18.540 methodologies, or binary classifiers that oversimplify complex brain data. The article, their article

00:21:24.540 cites a 2022 study that found transgender women, so that's men who say that they're women, their brains

00:21:30.980 were still closer to, quote unquote, cisgender men's than cisgender, quote unquote, women's, despite some

00:21:39.840 shifts. And these findings are not conclusive proof of a female brain. Their article also points out

00:21:45.820 that brain structure can be influenced by factors like cross-sex hormone therapy, which many studies

00:21:51.600 fail to control for adequately. Of course, if you inject your brain with a bunch of estrogen or inject

00:21:58.320 your body with a bunch of estrogen, that could have an effect on your brain. Still doesn't make you

00:22:01.920 a woman. It doesn't make your body female. The article also highlights that these scan slash studies

00:22:07.740 fail to control for a major confounding variable, supposed sexual orientation. That's also, I say

00:22:14.580 supposed, because that's also kind of a misnomer. Many transgender, quote unquote, individuals in these

00:22:21.260 studies identify as homosexual, and brain differences attributed to, quote unquote, gender identity may

00:22:26.300 reflect these differences that are really associated with sexual orientation. And by the way, that's not me

00:22:31.080 saying people are born with particular sexual propensity. They may or may not be. The Bible

00:22:37.440 still remains clear that homosexuality is a sin. That's a different conversation that we're not

00:22:43.660 having today. So this idea that brain scans can prove that you have a female brain, that's just not

00:22:51.380 true. And it's not possible. Now, it could be possible that someone has true, true, true gender

00:22:57.820 dysphoria. Maybe Brian truly does have gender dysphoria, where you have a persistent and insistent and

00:23:04.540 consistent feeling that you were born in the wrong body. And that has to be such a distressing

00:23:09.680 feeling. And we should have a lot of compassion for that. But the remedy for that is to help someone

00:23:17.400 accept their biological reality, not to get them to reject their biological reality, to try to change

00:23:24.540 their outward appearance and try to force everyone else to accept something that will never be true.

00:23:30.120 That a man can become a woman or a woman can become a man. It's not possible to be born in the wrong

00:23:34.920 body. All of us have different kinds of things wrong with our brain or wrong with our thinking or

00:23:41.040 ways in which our thinking is incongruent with reality. But we don't try to bend reality to try

00:23:46.840 to fit what our brain wrongly thinks. And yet this is a way in which people are trying to bend reality,

00:23:54.100 not only to how their brain thinks, or that's not only what they're trying to do,

00:23:57.860 but they're trying to change law, try to change language, trying to change how we see the reality

00:24:04.380 of human beings. And I'm going to fight against that. As much as we should fight against this idea

00:24:11.340 that two plus two can equal five, I will always fight against and adamantly reject in every single

00:24:18.700 way the idea that a man can become a woman, even if it is uncomfortable, even if it sounds impolite.

00:24:25.800 Because based on that lie, doctors for profit are butchering people's bodies, including minors.

00:24:34.320 The pain and the suffering, physical, emotional, spiritual, that these people have gone through,

00:24:40.900 that have sat on this couch, detransitioners have gone through, because of this lie that a man can be

00:24:47.140 she is so immense. And if we believe in God, and we believe in his authority, and we believe that he

00:24:53.780 is love, and we believe that his way is better, and we believe that telling the truth about people

00:24:59.500 is the best thing that we can do for them, because God is love and caring and compassionate,

00:25:04.780 and we know that he made the male and female, then the worst and cruelest thing that we can do to

00:25:10.120 someone like Brian is lie to them. I won't do it. I simply won't do it. David French, by calling him

00:25:16.440 she, is David French saying that he's nicer than God, that he knows better than God. And you don't,

00:25:23.520 David. You don't. His article says, Brian's article says, to be clear, my wife and kids have known the

00:25:30.720 side of me from the beginning, are 100% supportive, and encourage me to take this step. This is news to

00:25:35.740 the economic policy world, not to them. Nothing has changed at home. I don't believe you. I don't

00:25:42.800 believe you. Your poor children, I think two daughters, I'm not sure. There are pictures

00:25:49.360 circulating, you know, online of his family, which of course we won't post, but you have two young

00:25:56.560 children, and you think that they accept this. They miss their dad. And this is sowing confusion in

00:26:04.380 their lives. And you are sacrificing their stability on the altar of your desire. And that is the height

00:26:12.460 of selfishness. And David French knows that. And yet he's playing along with it. This is a tragic

00:26:18.760 story. Conservatives watch out. This kind of pernicious lie, destructive ideology is infiltrating

00:26:25.800 your circles too. And you have to be willing to stand up and say, two plus two is four. There is only

00:26:32.180 male. There is only female. And go back, listen to, watch the episodes with Genevieve Glock to know

00:26:40.300 what is really underneath this trend of grown men starting to identify as women and girls. Read that

00:26:49.880 chapter of Toxic Empathy. Have compassion for the true victims of gender ideology. The girls and

00:26:56.340 women whose spaces and teams are being infiltrated by men and boys. The minors whose bodies are being

00:27:05.340 castrated and chopped up for profit because they are confused and deceived about their gender. The

00:27:12.860 children whose parents are going this way and they will have trauma and confusion for the rest of their

00:27:19.240 lives because of this. Those are the victims to gender ideology. Allow your compassion to be directed

00:27:26.980 toward them and it will give you the gumption to continue to tell the truth. In an age of confusion

00:27:32.980 and cowardice, the clearest and the most courageous thing we can do is refuse to lie. David French, refuse to

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00:30:12.920 All right. Let's talk about birthright citizenship because I've seen this going around,

00:30:18.520 and even in conservative circles and some of the comments that I've received when I talked about

00:30:24.960 the Supreme Court wins that were announced on Friday, some of the decisions, Mahmoud v. Taylor,

00:30:31.320 that was a Supreme Court case that said, yes, parents do have the First Amendment right to opt out of

00:30:37.020 things like LGBTQ curriculum in schools. That was a huge win. But another win was about birthright

00:30:44.000 citizenship. But it really wasn't about birthright citizenship, this particular case. It was really

00:30:49.080 about these nationwide injunctions that are being put in place by judges that are stopping Trump's

00:30:54.820 executive orders. And this executive order that was in the center of this case happened to be about

00:30:59.480 birthright citizenship. But the comments that I've received from conservatives saying, oh, I don't know

00:31:04.540 about this one, have been focused on birthright citizenship. So we'll talk about that. So the Supreme Court

00:31:10.460 decided, as I said, on June 27th, in a case called Trump v. Casa, that federal judges cannot issue

00:31:17.800 nationwide injunctions, multiple of which had previously blocked President Trump's executive order,

00:31:22.980 which aims to end birthright citizenship for children of illegal or temporary immigrants. The 6-3

00:31:29.040 decision written by Justice Amy Coney Barrett allows Trump's executive order to potentially take effect

00:31:36.500 in states not currently involved in lawsuits challenging the EO as injunctions now apply

00:31:43.220 only to parties directly suing. In Amy Coney Barrett's opinion, there was a quote that was circulating that

00:31:51.140 was going viral because it was so sharp. So she is contending against Justice Jackson. You'll remember she

00:32:00.620 joined the Supreme Court under Biden. She wouldn't say what the definition of a woman is. A lot of

00:32:06.700 people said that she was just very objectively unqualified and that she was chosen because of

00:32:12.180 her race and because of her gender. This is Amy Coney Barrett basically saying, like, how in the world did

00:32:18.300 this person get on the Supreme Court because of her lack of understanding of the Constitution? She says,

00:32:22.780 we will not dwell on Justice Jackson's argument, which is at odds with more than two centuries worth of

00:32:27.660 precedent. Two centuries, okay? Not two years, not two decades, two centuries, not to mention the

00:32:33.100 Constitution itself. We observe only this. Justice Jackson decries an imperial executive while embracing

00:32:41.580 an imperial judiciary. She goes all the way back, Amy Coney Barrett does, to Marbury v. Madison,

00:32:51.540 1803, okay? She's like, this principle that I'm talking about, it literally goes back to one of

00:32:59.140 the first Supreme Court cases, one of the most famous Supreme Court cases on which we base a lot of our

00:33:06.740 cases today. It set a lot of precedent. You remember that from law school? Like, how did you even pass the

00:33:11.920 bar? Of course, she doesn't say that, but this is like as sharp as it gets in Supreme Court justices

00:33:19.400 going after another. And I just appreciated that because that's the thing, of course, about these

00:33:25.560 left-wing justices. They actually don't care about the Constitution. Like, they really don't. They care

00:33:31.500 about their particular ideology. They are activists. They are going to follow along whatever Democrats say

00:33:36.880 that they want. And Amy Coney Barrett is like, okay, did you even read the Constitution? Do you even know

00:33:43.340 what we're talking about? So let's talk about what birthright citizenship actually is, since there's

00:33:50.020 a debate about this even on the right. Birthright citizenship is the principle that a person

00:33:54.480 automatically acquires citizenship of the country in which they are born. It grants citizenship to

00:33:59.500 individuals based solely on their place of birth. And in the U.S., it's justified through the 14th

00:34:05.200 Amendment. So the 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution is one of the Reconstruction

00:34:10.480 Amendments passed after the Civil War. It addresses things like citizenship, equal protection. It was

00:34:17.540 enacted to overturn the Supreme Court's 1857, a Dred Scott v. Sanford decision, another one of those

00:34:24.620 very prominent Supreme Court cases that you probably learned about in high school or in college.

00:34:29.280 Text from the 14th Amendment says, all persons born are naturalized in the United States and subject to

00:34:34.140 the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they

00:34:39.800 reside. However, in a January 20th executive order, Trump aimed to restrict birthright citizenship by

00:34:48.520 returning to the original meaning and purpose of the 14th Amendment's citizenship clause. So his

00:34:56.000 executive order says this, the privilege of the United States citizenship is a priceless and profound

00:35:00.840 gift. And then they go into what the 14th Amendment actually says. And the executive order says the

00:35:07.280 provision rightly repudiated the Supreme Court of the United States' shameful decision and dread Scott

00:35:12.420 v. Sanford. But the 14th Amendment has never been interpreted to extend citizenship universally to

00:35:18.800 everyone born within the United States. The executive order asserts that children born in the U.S. to

00:35:24.160 parents who are either unlawfully present or legally present on temporary visas are not subject to the

00:35:30.660 jurisdiction of the U.S. and thus not entitled to automatic citizenship and directs federal agencies to

00:35:37.220 stop issuing citizenship documents to such individuals. The Supreme Court ruling did not

00:35:44.660 address the constitutionality of this executive order, just the nationwide injunctions that were put in

00:35:51.020 place by judges to stop this and other executive orders. The decision empowers the Trump administration to

00:35:57.520 move forward with administrative actions to implement the policy, this policy, other policies, at least

00:36:02.580 temporarily in parts of the country. All right. So why is this a problem? First, we have to talk about

00:36:10.920 birth tourism. There's so much that we could talk about the problems of birthright citizenship, the

00:36:15.940 realities of it. We don't have time to get into all of that. But let's talk about birth tourism and chain

00:36:21.200 migration. So birth tourism motivates people to enter into the U.S. illegally or temporarily to

00:36:27.420 have children who have children who then gain citizenship. And then that can then lead to

00:36:32.420 family sponsorship. That's chain migration. So that child becomes a citizen just by being born there.

00:36:39.940 It is then easier for the rest of their family to take priority in becoming legal citizens. It is

00:36:46.460 totally gaming the system. There was a Senate committee finding on a Senate committee on Homeland Security

00:36:54.840 finding that came out a few years ago in 2022. I believe it was authored by Senator Rob Portman,

00:37:04.000 in which they found that certain policies that were implemented, particularly under Barack Obama,

00:37:12.400 actually exacerbated, made more accessible this birth tourism. So here's some of what they found.

00:37:19.040 We'll link it in the description so you can read it for yourself. It's very long.

00:37:23.040 So they found this is findings of fact changes to State Department policies governing the issuance

00:37:28.840 of B visas in 2015 made birth tourism more accessible. They instructed consular officers not

00:37:37.140 to deny visa applicants solely because they plan to travel to the U.S. to obtain citizenship for their

00:37:42.100 child. So basically someone could come in for the express reason of doing what we just described

00:37:47.840 and people in charge were not allowed to say no based on that after 2015.

00:37:54.320 This report also found after the committee began its investigation in 2020. So this committee started

00:37:59.600 investigating this issue after Trump was president. The State Department amended its policies governing

00:38:04.080 the issuance of B visas to prohibit travel to travel to the U.S. solely for birth tourism.

00:38:09.580 The State Department's 2020 policy change prohibiting birth tourism was a primary reason for

00:38:14.560 one company called Miami Mamas to discontinue their operations. Birth tourists often make substantial

00:38:23.420 cash declarations upon entry to the U.S., make return trips to secure citizenship for numerous

00:38:28.760 children, and receive significant adjustments for total hospital costs incurred. So this is like a really

00:38:36.520 good deal for the people who can afford it to come over here and to have their children.

00:38:41.400 Okay, let's talk about Miami Mama. This is one example. There are so many examples of this

00:38:47.320 happening. Miami Mama LLC was raided by federal authorities in 2017 because of what they were up

00:38:55.260 to. So again, under the Trump administration, this is according to NBC Miami. This is an example

00:39:01.340 of what we're talking about. The company's website says they have been operating. This is according

00:39:06.340 to NBC. The company's website says they have been operating in Miami since 2009 and are the first

00:39:12.860 in Miami for Russian women who want to give birth to their child in the best climate with the best

00:39:18.120 quality of health care. The company offers packages ranging from just under $20,000 to over $53,000

00:39:24.560 that include all the medicines and procedures that come along with childbirth. They charge more for

00:39:30.940 those who get C-sections while assisting in finding housing, opening U.S. bank accounts, and obtaining

00:39:36.260 documents such as social security cards, birth certificates, and other documents needed for the

00:39:41.060 child. The website says, okay, this is very lucrative for a lot of people. This has become

00:39:46.620 very lucrative industry. This is an article that was published at the beginning of this year by CNN.

00:39:53.480 Birth tourism organizer jailed over scheme to bring pregnant Chinese women to the U.S.

00:39:59.020 CNN says a California woman was sentenced Monday to more than three years in prison in a long-running

00:40:04.040 case over a business that helped pregnant Chinese women travel to the U.S. to deliver babies who

00:40:09.080 automatically became American citizens. This woman, Phoebe Dong, was given a 41-month sentence and

00:40:16.700 she was ordered immediately. She was taken into custody. Dong and her husband were convicted in

00:40:26.760 September of conspiracy and money laundering through their company, USA Happy Baby. Federal prosecutors

00:40:34.960 sought more than a five-year sentence for Dong and argued that she and her husband helped more than

00:40:39.920 100 pregnant Chinese women travel to the U.S. They worked with others to coach women on how to trick

00:40:48.500 customs officials by flying into airports believed to be more lax while wearing loose-fitting clothing to

00:40:56.240 hide their pregnancies. Okay? For tens of thousands of dollars, each defendant's, the defendant's helped

00:41:04.560 her new, okay, the defendant, sorry, this typo in this article, defendant helped her numerous customers

00:41:11.360 deceive U.S. authorities and buy U.S. citizenship for their children. The U.S. Happy Baby case was part of a

00:41:19.680 broader probe into businesses that helped Chinese women travel to give birth in California. The operator of

00:41:25.860 another business is believed to have fled to China while another was sentenced in 2019 to 10 months

00:41:32.640 in prison. Okay, so this is already sketchy. Parts of this is already illegal, the birth tourism part.

00:41:40.280 However, it hasn't mattered until the Trump administration is saying that it mattered when

00:41:45.600 it comes to citizenship for the kids. Even if it was illegal, even if they were risking all of this,

00:41:51.320 like their baby still gets the citizenship. They still may get the benefits of chain migration.

00:41:59.100 So that's a huge issue that people are gaming the system, people are making money off of this,

00:42:05.400 and they are getting all the benefits of citizenship when other people have been waiting in line for a

00:42:11.060 very long time to get citizenship and do it the right way. There are many countries that do not

00:42:18.640 have birthright citizenship. Most countries don't have the birthright citizenship that the United

00:42:23.900 States has. And people are acting like, progressives are acting like, oh my gosh, this is so fascist.

00:42:29.120 This is so horrible. This is so bigoted that we wouldn't have birthright citizenship. Okay,

00:42:33.320 most countries don't. I see some people saying, oh, this is so sad and bigoted and progressives are just

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00:43:56.900 Okay. Countries with restricted birthright citizenship. I'll list them. But first, let me say

00:44:01.440 the U.S. and Canada are the only first world countries that have unrestricted birthright

00:44:06.320 citizenship. So there are other countries, I think 33 other countries that also have unconditional

00:44:12.440 birthright citizenship. So if you are born there, you become a citizen automatically. They are mostly

00:44:18.660 like in South America. And there are some other ones in different parts of the world too. But U.S.,

00:44:27.200 Canada, only other Western civilization countries that allow this unconditional birthright citizenship.

00:44:35.360 I can't even read you all of the countries that have highly restricted birthright citizenship or

00:44:41.200 no real birthright citizenship at all because it's most countries. But I will list you some of them.

00:44:48.540 The countries that many progressives hail as so forward-thinking and so much more compassionate

00:44:53.340 than the United States. Y'all, when it comes to immigration, there is not a country more compassionate,

00:44:57.800 if you want to call it that, more open than the U.S. Okay? So I don't want to hear the complaints

00:45:02.300 about how we are finally enforcing immigration law. Every country has a right and a responsibility

00:45:07.740 to do that. I'm not saying we should be cruel, but it's also not always going to look nice and easy

00:45:13.160 either. And that's how other countries do it as well. I mean, Mexico has way stricter

00:45:19.560 immigration policies than we do. You don't have the same rights as an immigrant in Mexico as the

00:45:26.420 native-born people have. It is so different than the United States. Okay. Here are the countries

00:45:31.360 that have extremely conditional and restricted birthright citizenship. It's conditional. I can't

00:45:36.600 even call it birthright citizenship because it is conditional, your citizenship, if you're born in

00:45:41.040 these countries, on your parent status, on their permanent residency, whether they have citizenship in

00:45:46.760 other countries. So France, Germany, Ireland, Italy, the Netherlands, Ukraine, the United Kingdom, China,

00:45:55.080 India, Iran, Israel, Japan, so many others, Egypt, Morocco, South Africa, Australia, New Zealand,

00:46:04.100 extremely conditional. Lots of conditions, lots of qualifications, lots of restrictions. America,

00:46:10.380 because of what I think is a wrong interpretation of the 14th Amendment, is completely liberal and open

00:46:16.260 when it comes to birthright citizenship. Other countries are a lot more strict and a lot stricter

00:46:23.180 and a lot more sane, a lot saner when it comes to their immigration policies, especially with birthright

00:46:30.340 citizenship. So let's not act like this is extremist. This is normal. It's the same thing that progressives

00:46:35.060 do when it comes to abortion. Like some people will say, oh, yeah, I just maybe don't think abortion

00:46:40.580 should be legal after 16 weeks, like when we know they can feel pain, maybe. And you'll get the

00:46:46.760 progressives in the Planned Parenthood lobby all dressed in their red robes saying, this is the

00:46:50.900 Handmaid's Tale. We're going back to the 1950s. This is so radical and extreme. And it's like, well,

00:46:57.600 16 weeks is still later than most of Europe. France, I'm pretty sure, has a 12-week limit

00:47:04.080 on abortion. Guys, if we're more liberal than France or Germany on anything, we're going in

00:47:12.680 the wrong direction. Here's also an ironic point in all of this. Democrats suddenly care for unborn

00:47:19.700 babies when it comes to birthright citizenship. Within hours of the published decision from the

00:47:25.880 Supreme Court, the plaintiffs, CASA of Maryland, it's an immigration advocacy organization, along with

00:47:32.960 Asylum Seeker Advocacy Project and the Institute for Constitutional Advocacy and Protection, filed to

00:47:39.540 convert the case into a class action lawsuit. So they asked Judge Deborah Boardman to ask the U.S.

00:47:45.200 District Court in Maryland to officially recognize a class of children born or to be born to immigrant

00:47:51.620 parents who could be denied citizenship under the executive order. Under this lawsuit, even children

00:47:58.380 in the womb would be included. So suddenly, when it comes to accomplishing their immigration goals,

00:48:05.040 because remember, Democrats are thinking long game. If they can change the demographics of the

00:48:10.140 country, if they can make, they think, America less conservative evangelical white, then they will

00:48:16.420 secure progressive victory forevermore. So this is very important to them. So when it comes to achieving

00:48:21.240 their political ends, suddenly babies inside the womb are not just human beings, but they also have

00:48:26.600 full rights. They have full rights, constitutional rights. And it's so interesting that they're using

00:48:31.740 the 14th Amendment to try to say that babies inside the womb are afforded the same rights as everyone

00:48:38.920 else. That's the argument that we make. That's the argument that conservative pro-lifers make, that the

00:48:45.080 equal protection clause actually does extend to babies inside the womb, and therefore they should be

00:48:50.820 granted the same constitutional rights that you and I have, that they should be given the foremost right,

00:48:58.640 which is the right to life, the right not to be murdered. That is a proper interpretation of the

00:49:04.760 14th Amendment, though. An improper interpretation of the 14th Amendment is to say that this grants

00:49:10.340 unconditional citizenship to everyone who was born here. I'm not arguing with their position that babies

00:49:17.500 inside the womb should be afforded all rights, including rights in the 14th Amendment. I'm saying the right

00:49:22.440 to unconditional citizenship because of where you were born is not in the 14th Amendment. So the hypocrisy there

00:49:30.180 is just, it's just insane. It's just insane. The cognitive dissonance is crazy. Okay, we've got to talk a little

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00:51:12.440 Okay, so here's the story that you've probably seen. A Guatemalan illegal alien named Iris Diana

00:51:19.020 Monterosolimus came into the spotlight when the outlet Nashville Banner painted her as a victim of

00:51:26.020 ice mistreatment in a story published on May 27th. She was detained while pregnant. She lost her baby.

00:51:32.380 According to the banner, due to allegedly being denied medical care, the Department of Homeland

00:51:38.100 Security, though, claims that this is a lie. Here's what the Nashville Banner said.

00:51:42.620 After she was arrested by ICE, she ended up at the Richwood Correctional Center in Louisiana,

00:51:47.720 where she asked for medical help for days, and she lost her midterm pregnancy. She said,

00:51:56.420 they didn't give me medical attention nowhere. Not in Louisiana, not in Alabama. I was in Alabama,

00:52:01.040 too, sleeping on the floor. She said she was given 12 pills to take daily, though the banner was unable

00:52:07.520 to independently verify this. She took them for two days before stopping, convinced something was wrong.

00:52:13.360 I told them to just send me back to Guatemala because I was pregnant and I wasn't getting the

00:52:17.260 medical attention I needed. I called ICE. I called and sent texts, but still nothing. They told me I had

00:52:23.240 to wait for my flight. Can you imagine? We've got Representative Jaya Powell. She is a Democrat

00:52:30.180 representative from Washington. She said, a pregnant woman lost her baby after ICE refused to give her

00:52:35.320 prenatal care. She begged for help and was denied. She was fed food full of cockroaches. She was forced

00:52:40.860 to sleep on the floor. This is absolutely disgusting, and we should all be outraged. Now, I will say,

00:52:46.120 if that is true, it is disgusting, and we should be outraged. I would have absolutely no problem

00:52:51.920 saying that just because I support, in general, deportations, the sovereignty of our country,

00:52:57.800 the enforcement of immigration law, which does include deportations. That's the only way that

00:53:03.140 we make sure that citizenship actually means something and counts. That doesn't mean that I

00:53:09.220 am going to agree with every individual treatment of every single person, and because human beings are

00:53:15.200 flawed, systems can be flawed as well, and they can be simple, and they can do wrong things.

00:53:21.300 So I would have no problem saying, this is horrifying. I'm so sorry that this happened,

00:53:26.120 and we need to investigate to make sure that nothing like this happens again. We've got all

00:53:30.820 kinds of posts saying this. This is Santa Anna updates. This has a ton of engagement on social

00:53:37.560 media. A pregnant woman in ICE custody loses baby. We've got different Christian influencers who are

00:53:44.640 talking about this, of course, questioning the validity, the integrity of the pro-life movement,

00:53:51.840 because we support deportations and don't have any problem with this. And of course, I think some

00:53:57.540 people on the right will even see this as an opportunity to say, yeah, see, I have a problem

00:54:02.740 with this, just to try to maintain some kind of middle-of-the-road position. But whenever I see

00:54:10.920 something from the left, I'm going to stop before I say anything, even if initially it does seem

00:54:16.400 horrifying, I'm going to wait for more facts to come out. And there has been a counter-narrative.

00:54:21.060 I don't know for sure if what the DHS is saying is true, but here's what the Department of Homeland

00:54:26.840 Security, Trisha McLaughlin, what she has to say. She says, absolutely false. She, this woman,

00:54:33.180 had full medical prenatal care. We have documentation to show it. Iris, 37, is a citizen of Guatemala who has

00:54:40.460 been arrested multiple times for child abuse and is wanted on an active warrant for homicide. So

00:54:46.600 this is what the DHS has to say. They rebutted this on their government website. They say she

00:54:52.960 received prenatal care, including an ultrasound, an OBGYN visit, dental care, and medication. She was

00:55:01.020 also admitted to a hospital and saw multiple nurses. They said she received prenatal care, including a

00:55:06.500 fetal Doppler ultrasound. As soon as she identified the distress on April 29th, ICE provided immediate

00:55:12.200 medical assistance. DHS says ICE sent her to a hospital immediately to receive medical care.

00:55:18.660 They say she was not required to sleep on the floor. She had a bed in her cell. They also say

00:55:24.460 all ICE New Orleans detainees are provided appropriate dietician-cleared menus daily per ICE

00:55:29.660 performance-based national detention standards. We have no record of a grievance filed by a detainee

00:55:37.260 because she said that she was mistreated and mocked by the guards. They say that she was arrested

00:55:43.080 twice for child abuse and neglect with the Loudoun County Sheriff's Office. I don't understand why she's

00:55:47.400 not in prison then, but she also has an active warrant for homicide in Guatemala. Yikes.

00:55:54.360 Okay, so this is what the DHS is saying. This is why she was being detained. This is why she was

00:56:03.480 being deported because she is a dangerous woman, according to the DHS. Now, you can say, well,

00:56:09.920 I don't believe the DHS. It's just propaganda. We haven't seen the documentation that has been

00:56:13.860 talked about, and maybe they can't because of privacy reasons. But I would just say, I would warn you,

00:56:20.000 before you latch on to a story that is meant to grab onto your heart and pull your empathy in the

00:56:26.180 direction of progressive policy to ask yourself, but is this true? And typically, it's wise just to

00:56:31.460 wait just to see, okay, is this story actually right? Or is there something that they're not telling us

00:56:38.620 here? And it seems to me like there are at least some countervailing set of facts here. I don't know

00:56:47.700 what's true. I do believe that all people, no matter their immigrant status, should be treated

00:56:54.320 with dignity, should be treated with care, especially unborn children, that all these people are made in

00:56:59.960 the image of God, and they should be treated with respect. But that doesn't mean that they shouldn't

00:57:04.580 be detained, and they shouldn't be deported, because if they are here illegally, they should. And I am for

00:57:10.760 any dignified and kinder way that we can do that. If the left would like to give me some policy

00:57:18.260 suggestions, then I am totally willing to hear them out. But if the suggestion is we shouldn't be

00:57:23.620 detaining and deporting people at all, then I just can't get on board with that. I can't get on board

00:57:28.540 with that, and we're not going to be able to have a good conversation about it. Okay, final thing. I just

00:57:33.140 want to play you one thing. BBC presenter Martine Croxall, she went viral after she was brave enough

00:57:40.700 to do this on air. It's not one. London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine has released research

00:57:46.020 which says that nearly 600 heat-related deaths are expected in the UK. Malcolm Mistry, who was involved

00:57:52.780 in the research, says that the aged pregnant people, women, and those with pre-existing health conditions

00:58:00.220 need to take precautions. So she kind of rolled her eyes there. She said, women. And this was

00:58:08.120 published by Pink News, which is a pro-LGBTQ outlet. And all of the comments were so mad at her. I'm sure

00:58:13.580 she has received a lot of heat for that. She posted a huge thank you to everyone who has chosen to follow

00:58:20.560 me. And so far, I don't think that she's been punished for that. But just be praying for her. Give her a high

00:58:26.400 five on social media if you can. It's Maxine Croxall. Or sorry, I said Maxine. It's Martine.

00:58:32.980 Martine BBC is her handle on X. And just that small act of not lying, of refusing to tell a lie and

00:58:41.940 insisting on telling the truth, that means a lot. That gives a lot of people courage. So high five to

00:58:46.860 you, Martine. Keep going. That brings it full circle. If there's nothing else that you can do today

00:58:53.240 to advance the truth, which there's always something, but one of the bravest things you can

00:58:57.920 do is refuse to lie. All right. That's all we've got time for today. We'll be back here on Wednesday.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - June 30, 2025

Ep 1212 ｜ The Left Cares About (Certain) Unborn Babies Now

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