Ep 122 ｜ Josh Buice
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Pastor Josh Bice, founding director of G3 Conferences, joins me to discuss the controversy of "Chapelarianism vs. Egalitarianism" within the Southern Baptist Convention and why they are different.
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Hey guys, happy Friday. Welcome to Relatable. Hope everyone had a wonderful week and that you
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are looking forward to the weekend. So we are going to talk to Pastor Josh Bice today,
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the founding director of G3 Conferences. There has been a point of contention going on within
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the Southern Baptist Convention. That's the convention that I have been a part of
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my entire life. The churches that I've gone to in general have been a part of the Southern
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Baptist denomination, and it is a centering the role of women in the church. Now I have already
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recorded the episode that I'm going to do this summer on women in the church that's to be released
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after maternity leave. And so if you are wondering what all the Bible says about women's role in the
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church and my perspective on that based on the word of God, you can just wait just a few weeks,
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maybe even just a couple more weeks to hear that. But today I wanted to get his insight. He has been
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very vocal on this issue from the side of complementarianism versus the other side,
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which is egalitarianism. And I wanted to see if he could give us some clarity on this extremely
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hot button issue. Josh, thanks so much for joining me. Glad to be with you. Yes. Okay. If you could
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tell everyone who may not know who you are and what you do. Sure. My name is Josh. I serve as a pastor
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just west of Atlanta, Georgia. I have the privilege to serve a 177-year-old Baptist congregation.
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Wow. Interestingly enough, my wife and I both grew up here as children. We met in the context of our
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church. I went away to Southern Seminary, pastored out of state for about seven years. And then in God's
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kind providence, I was called back home to serve the very people who served us as children.
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Awesome. Where do you mind me asking where in Georgia you are? I lived in Georgia for a little
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bit. Yeah. So take I-20 straight out west from the city, just past Six Flags, and you run right
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through the heart of Douglas County. And that's where we are. Gotcha. Cool. My husband and I met
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in Athens, Georgia, and his family is from a small town in Georgia. And so I'm very familiar with the
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area. So as you know, there's a lot going on with the SBC right now. I was raised a Southern
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Baptist in a Southern Baptist church, and I am very thankful for that. But there has been some
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contention for a while, but I would say it seems like it's kind of blown up on social media for the
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past couple of weeks. And it's centered on this issue of complementarianism versus egalitarianism.
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Now, some people listening to this might not even know what I mean by that. So could you kind of break
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down what we may call, for lack of a better word, the controversy that's going on right now?
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Yeah, sure. So I think it would be helpful probably just to talk about definitions. So
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complementarianism and egalitarianism are two different positions, opposing positions. Basically,
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complementarianism was a term that was brought about as a response to the feminist movement back in the
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60s and 70s. And complementarianism basically teaches that both men and women are created equal
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in personhood, both in their value or their worth and their dignity. And so both men and women have
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the same percentage or the same amount of the image of God upon them. The distinction would be this.
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Complementarians believe that there is a distinction that God has for both men and women
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in culture, in the home, and the church. So in other words, there are roles and responsibilities
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that are very distinct for women that are different than the roles and responsibilities that God has
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designed for men to carry out. And so that would be what we would call complementarianism.
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Egalitarianism would be the idea that we could agree on would be that both men and women are created
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equal by God with both dignity and value, the worth of both men and women are the same.
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But distinction would be simply this. The egalitarian would say that there is no distinction,
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there is no difference of role and responsibility for the man and the woman in the culture at large
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or the home or the church. And so that's where you would get the idea of a woman serving as a pastor
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Right. So where, if you know, where do egalitarians, Christian egalitarians,
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get their scriptural basis? Because you and I agree on the fact that the Bible is pretty clear in the
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context of the family, in the context of the church, there are simply different roles for men and women.
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It's not a degrading role for women and an honorable role for a man. They're honorable roles that are
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just different. So what do you think is behind this egalitarian push to say, no, no, no, different
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is inherently worse. And so women have to serve in the same way that men do. Where is that coming from?
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Well, I think it would be helpful to recognize that this is not a new movement. This is not something
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that was birthed in the last couple of years. And it certainly isn't something that just comes from the
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feminist movement or the radical feminist movement of, say, the 60s and the 70s. This is a movement
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that was birthed in the Garden of Eden. So when you see Eve usurping the authority of her husband
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when she was tempted by Satan in the Garden, what you see is the very first role reversal. So
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everything that you see coming out of the fall in the Garden of Eden, the very curse that we see,
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according to Romans 5.12, is really the product of this first role reversal. So this is not
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something new. This is something that's been happening. It's an ancient problem that we've been dealing
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with as far as the differences between male and female since the very beginning, since the very curse
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that took place in the fall. So what we're seeing now is that we're seeing in this present controversy
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within the evangelical circles, we're seeing really this coming out of this recent Me Too movement
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in the abuse of women. I think everyone can agree on the fact that for women to be abused or to be
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harmed or to be degraded in any way as far as their value and worth and dignity is sinful, and we should
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all stand against that. But the idea that simply because women have been abused or because women have been
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somehow discriminated against in certain cultures, that we must now empower women to the highest roles
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and responsibilities, both in the home, the church, and in culture, or even denominational settings,
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I think is to just miss the mark. I think we can call out sin and deal with sin in different ways as far
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as the issues related to the oppression of women or the injustices surrounding women without bypassing
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God's blueprint for what men and women are to carry out in those different spheres.
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Yeah. And Baptists kind of had this conversation a few decades ago, right? I mean, Baptists were kind of
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having a similar controversy just about liberal theology in general, and then we made a correct turn,
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which has really helped the Baptist church thrive, the Southern Baptist church thrive for a while.
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And I think that you nailed it when you said, okay, there's been a lot of things that have happened
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culturally and politically. I would even say for some people, the election of Donald Trump erupted
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this desire in some Christian women to say, okay, any form of saying that a woman has to be in a particular
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role is misogyny or saying that a woman can't exercise authority over a man as first Timothy 2.12
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says, well, that's some form of sexism. So it's been interesting to see people that I would have
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thought believed in the supremacy of scripture because of cultural changes. All of a sudden,
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it seems like take a completely different approach to what scripture actually says. What do you think about
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that? I think you're spot on, Ali. And I think that one of the problems with that is you talk about the
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supremacy of scripture back in the day when we had this controversy related to liberal theology,
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we went through this period of time, this movement called the conservative resurgence.
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Back during that time period, you had individuals like the associate dean of the school of theology
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at Southern Seminary. Her name was Molly Marshall, and she was actually teaching things such as
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post-mortem salvation opportunities. I mean, there was all sorts of problems. She was an ordained minister
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and all of this. But we moved through that controversy, and we come to this present situation.
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And I think that there have been pastors and others who have rightly stated this before.
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They have stated, we might have won the battle on inerrancy, but we're losing the battle
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on sufficiency. And so when it comes to this issue of how we're going to treat women,
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we want everyone in the culture to say that the Southern Baptist Convention loves women,
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and that we want women to flourish and use their gifts for the glory of God. That's certainly true.
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But the problem is, we are also, if we're just going to be really honest,
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the Southern Baptist Convention, as well as many other evangelical circles, have become
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slaves to pragmatism. So in other words, if it works, then let's do it. And so if empowering women
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to certain roles of authority makes the culture at large view us as valuing women, then maybe we're
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going to do that. And so that's problematic when it comes to using certain methods to gain the eye
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of approval or to attract the culture at large. That's certainly problematic.
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I think that there's been a big push within Christianity away from, in an attempt to push
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themselves away from the title of evangelical as a group that is associated with Trump.
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They have said, well, I'm going to be the opposite of that, which means I'm going to be woke,
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which means instead of partnering with fellow Christians on which I have political disagreements
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with, I am going to partner with people that I agree with politically, but that I have complete
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disagreements with theologically. And because of that partnership, I think we see a lot of people
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saying, well, these political issues are more important to me than theological inerrancy or
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theological sufficiency. And so that's where we've kind of seen a lot of compromise. Now,
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just so everyone is perfectly clear who is listening to this, what does the Bible say specifically about
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a woman's role in the church and what should that look like?
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Well, first and foremost, God has a huge plan and a massive blueprint for women to be useful in
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the life of the church. So this idea that complementarians, that we somehow degrade women
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or that we don't see value for women in the local churches simply to miss the mark, that's to
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misrepresent where we stand. In other words, I would say it like this, that if we did not have faithful
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women doing exactly what God has called them to do in the life of the church, our churches would
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fall apart. I mean, they would be very unhealthy. So when we read like 1 Timothy 2.12, you cited a
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moment ago, it just simply states that God's plan is not for women to teach or to have authority over
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men. And I would say that by definition, if you're going to preach the word of God, that you're to handle
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the word of God with authority. So the herald goes forth with the authority of the one that he's
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representing or that she's representing. So if you're going to stand with the open Bible and preach
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the Bible, you can't say, I'm coming under the authority of the elders, but now I'm going to ask
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you to open the Bible and I'm going to now preach the word. You have to preach the Bible with authority.
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It just comes with the territory. So the idea is that women from the beginning were created
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to be a helper, to be, we see that with Adam, that Eve was created to be a helper. We go through the
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life of the church and we don't see that God is calling women to be apostles. We don't see that
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God is calling women to be elders. But what we see is that God is absolutely calling women to be
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those who have their influence in the home, those who put their affection on the home, to be keepers
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at home, to use a biblical phrase. But then also we go to Titus chapter two, and we see that women are
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to be discipling, making disciples, training the younger, investing in children, serving in various
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capacities. She's simply not called to the office of elder, and she's not called to preach the word to
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a mixed audience or to preach the Sunday sermon within the context of the local church. And I would
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actually say, even in the context of a Christian conference as well.
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So that's what I would have a question on. And I think a lot of people listening probably have a
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question on that too. You know, I went to, before I even thought about this issue, honestly, when I was
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somewhat of a new Christian in college, I went to the Passion Conferences where you hear from people
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like John Piper, you also hear from Beth Moore, Christine Kane. You know, again, I was kind of
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even oblivious at that point to any discussion of whether or not this is biblical. But there are a lot
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of Bible-believing, even complementarians, who would say, look, 1 Timothy 2.12 is in the context of the
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local church, and that does not extend to Christian conferences. But as you said, you don't preach the
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word of God without authority. So I guess I'm just asking for more clarity and insight into that,
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because there are people that I respect who are complementarians who would say, you know what,
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in the context of a conference, it's fine. They're not exercising authority and setting the doctrine for
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a local church. Yeah. Well, I think, again, within the world of complementarianism, you do have
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a couple of different categories. And even within those categories, you're going to have differing
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levels and differing positions. You have what's called soft complementarianism, and that would be
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the idea that would allow for women to use their gifts of teaching and preaching, that sort of thing,
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in the context of a mixed audience, like a Sunday school class, a small group Bible study that's
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sanctioned by or organized officially by the local church, or even on a Sunday morning,
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so long as she doesn't have or occupy, you might say, the office of elder, so long as she hasn't been
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ordained to the office of elder. But then you have what we might call the hard complementarianism.
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And that's the idea that I would actually hold to that would state that if you're going to allow a
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woman to preach the Bible to a mixed audience, or even in the pulpit on a Sunday morning,
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on occasion, so long as she doesn't occupy that office of elder, then I would say it seems to be
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a bit inconsistent. I mean, it seems to be that you're saying to her, you can exercise your gifts
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occasionally, but you can't do that on a week-to-week basis and be called pastor. And so I think that
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that's certainly an inconsistency among the more soft complementarians. But again, back to the biblical
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text, I would say, you can't preach the Bible without preaching it with authority. So we must
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say, thus says the Lord God, we must open the word, we must preach the imperatives and call people to
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respond to God. And so that would involve preaching the Bible with authority. And so that's why I don't
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And something like the Passion Conference, would you say there is an opening there for saying that
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the women who are teaching, are teaching essentially children, because they're, you know,
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they're college students now, they are 20 something. So I guess it depends on kind of where
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you draw the line for adult men. But would you say there's an opening there for someone like a Beth
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Moore or a Christian woman? And I know you might, you know, we have other maybe theological differences
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with Beth Moore, but just the female part of it. Do you think there is an opportunity there for her to
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kind of shepherd young people as more of like a spiritual mother or no?
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No, I wouldn't say so. I think that we have to draw a line someplace. And I think that even with
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passion, you're going to have, you're going to have young men and young women who are there. Let's just
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be honest. Those are young men and young women. They're, they're college students. And in, in our
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American culture, we like to have this delay of manhood and womanhood. But I would say
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those are young men and young women. And, and furthermore, you have the organizers of the event,
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you have lots of adults who are in that room, thousands of them. And so I think that it would
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just be very good to say, we need to hold a position that states that, you know, we're not
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going to have women preaching to thousands of, of young men in a context like a conference setting.
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But I do think that there is room for her to serve in a conference. I think there's room for her to
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stand and preach to hundreds of women. Uh, all you have to do is you just simply have to organize
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it and then advertise it as such. Okay. Gotcha. So I do think that, like I was saying, there's
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probably disagreement among complimentarians. I wonder if there would even be people who consider
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themselves like you, like a hard complimentarian who doesn't believe that a woman should be
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preaching on Sunday morning, but who take the first Timothy passage is saying, okay, this is in the
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context of the local church and doesn't extend, uh, to doesn't extend to conferences. I think that
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would be a really interesting conversation to have. And I do want to say that I think it's possible
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for two Bible believing Christians to have that, that kind of differentiation, uh, behind what they
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believe. Now, the bigger that this conversation gets, the bigger that the scope of complimentarianism
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gets to where it's essentially saying, no, men and women have the exact same roles, no matter what.
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I think that is obviously we agree there where we weighed into particularly dangerous territory.
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So tell me how we properly and in a Christlike way engage with those who disagree so passionately
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with us about this subject, because it's not just a political issue. It's, um, it's a much bigger
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issue than that. I would say. Yeah. I mean, that's a really good question, Allie. I think that sometimes,
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uh, in social media, and so you, you, you spend time in the social media world and you're online
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in various different, uh, areas as far as YouTube or wherever else, I think it's oftentimes difficult
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to, you might say, to, uh, show these differences or engage in these differences, or maybe even respond
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to these differences through say a tweet or even a Facebook post or something of that nature. So we have
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to be very cautious, I think, in how we do it. Yeah. I would say that with a public figure,
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because I'm oftentimes, even on my blog that I write, if I write an article that addresses these
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issues, uh, that someone holds such as a Beth Moore, for instance, I will receive hundreds of emails from
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people who are, I think maybe even have a well-meaning attitude and heart behind it, but they'll say,
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did you properly contact Beth before, you know, before you wrote the article, uh, in response to
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say, or a position such as like Matthew 18, as far as that's talking about church discipline.
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But I would simply state that when it comes to a public figure, that that person's outside of the
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realm of my local church. So I don't have the privilege or the access to individuals who are
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preaching public sermons or writing public books or espousing various different ideas and views.
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in the public realm. So that, that's a contextual issue. And I think that we must understand that
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Matthew chapter 18, when we're talking about church discipline is talking about the context of a local
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church. So someone preaches a public sermon, it's plastered on YouTube, or someone writes a book for
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everyone to read, and they're saying things in there that aren't biblical to write an article
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publicly calling out that very error is not, uh, right. It's not a violation of the Matthew 18
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passage. And I just think we have to be very honest with that. And because those are, I mean,
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one thing happened in the public sphere and the response also happens in the public sphere. It would
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be one thing if you're commenting publicly on something that happened privately, I would think
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that would be kind of just a breach of trust. And that's just based on my own common sense. But I've
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gotten some of the same things when I talked about the problems with the Sparrow conference that
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happened here in Texas, uh, with Ms. Uwan, who had some interesting things to say about whiteness.
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I don't think it's necessarily, um, always the responsibility of the person commenting on
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something that they've seen publicly to make this a private conversation. Wonderful. If that happens,
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as long as the public commentary is happening from a place of wanting to share the gospel,
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and we're going back to the supremacy of scripture as our authority, I agree with you. I think that
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it's totally fair game. Yeah. And I would just add to that. I would say, you know, if you chose to do
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that and you had access to her, then that's fine. I mean, and that's a wonderful thing. Sometimes these,
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these dialogues can take place in private instead of in the public sphere. And sometimes that's,
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that's very good and profitable. However, I would say this, if Beth Moore were a member of my church,
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then before I wrote one of the two articles that I've written recently, I would have had
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conversations with her before I ever penned those articles simply because some of those differences
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could have been worked out perhaps in private rather than public. So those are issues that I
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think that we must be honest about as well. So I think we're on the same page there. Yeah. Um,
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give some kind of encouragement to women who might be listening to this, because if, if,
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if we're honest in our flashes, women, it can be hard. And I specify in our flesh,
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it can be hard to read a verse that says women should be quiet in the church, especially in
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today's day and age, when women are told, even if we don't believe the feminist mantra is that
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you can have it all, you can do it all. You're just like a man. There is something that's,
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and I think it does go back to the garden of Eden. That's kind of just rubs us the wrong way.
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It rubs our pride the wrong way, which of course is a sin. It rubs our ego the wrong way,
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which of course is a sin. So if you could give some encouragement to women about, again, I know
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you've already explained this, but their role in the church and particularly for young women who
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feel that they have the gift of teaching and leadership and what God, according to his word
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has for them. Yeah. So I would just say a couple of things. I would say, number one,
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the Bible never teaches that Christian women's place is to be spent in the kitchen and the laundry
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basket and, you know, just taking care of little children and changing diapers in perpetuity for
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the rest of your life. I would simply state that God has a plan for women and it's a wonderful plan.
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But anytime that we violate the very blueprint that God has put in place, it's to question,
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it's to question God, it's to question his word. In fact, if you go back to the garden of Eden,
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and you look at that first sin, you will see that that is precisely what Satan did as he attacked Eve
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is he caused her to question the validity and the sufficiency and the supremacy and really the
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inerrancy of God's word. And same thing that he did with Jesus in the wilderness as well,
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using God's own word to mean something that it didn't. Absolutely. So he's been twisting scripture
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for a very long time and we need to be aware of that. But what we must understand is that the
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feminist mantra, if you will, this agenda that women have to do everything that men do in order
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to flourish in society and use all of their gifts, I think is a mistake. In fact, if you just look at
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the mainstream television networks and you see the commercials that are being circulated on those
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stations, you'll see, you know, little girls who are, you know, their position next to little boys
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who are going out onto the football field, you'll see even in entertainment circles, you'll see women
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who are now going into MMA rings and fighting like men. I mean, this is something that the feminists have
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been trying to do for a very long time. If you'll go back to the garden of Eden, you will see that
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Satan's very first attempt to sway Eve was to really question the very validity of the Bible,
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to question the sufficiency and the inerrancy of God's word. He's been twisting scripture for centuries,
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and so he's very good at that. What we need to understand, though, is that God has a very special
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plan for women, and it's not that they are to only be in the kitchen or are in the laundry basket or just
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changing diapers in perpetuity for the rest of their lives. There, you know, there's a very special
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place for women in God's redemptive plan, and you'll look at that and you'll see in the Bible,
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you'll see that Paul alludes to this when he's talking to his son in the faith, Timothy. He says,
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remember who taught you the word, and he's talking about Eunice and Lois. He's talking about his
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grandmother and his mother. So women have a very unique calling and to invest, to be on the front lines,
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if you will, to invest in their children, to teach them the scriptures. You can go through history and
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you can read about giants of church history who have stated things like, you know, my mother never
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preached a sermon in her life, but she's far more powerful than any of the preachers that I've heard
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in church history because of her investment in prayer, her investment in the teaching and the
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discipleship of the home. If you read Charles Spurgeon, you're going to find that he talks about
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the investment of his mother and her prayers and the prayers around the supper table and the prayers
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at the bedside and things of that nature. So what we need to understand is that God has a very high
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calling for women, but anytime that we deviate from God's blueprint, it's going to be very problematic,
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and that has been the very goal of Satan from the very beginning. We need to be very cautious of
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that. I think it's a little bit of idolatry too for women to look at the particular station that God
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has said, look, I've got so much for you, Christian women, but this station of elder, this station of
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exercising teaching authority over a man, that is not for you because like you said of the creation
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order that was set up with Adam and Eve and also the order that we see reflected in Christ in the church,
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that's a very gospel-centered and gospel-ordained order that is purposeful. It's not just this kind
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of cultural context of saying, sorry, the women back then were stupid, and so they couldn't say
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anything. No, it's actually rooted in creation, which again is reflected in the New Testament,
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like I just said, but also for women who, like me, my whole life have been very outspoken and have
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loved to lead and to organize and to talk about things that I'm passionate about. We also see
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throughout the Bible, there are places of leadership for women that God uses women for,
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but for us to say, well, no, we need access to everything or else you don't really love us
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is an unfortunate, I think, mistrust of God's plan, his sovereignty, his love for women. We see in Jesus
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exactly how God thinks of women, how much he relates to them, how much he attends to them,
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is attentive to them in the same way that he is a man, but there are different roles, there are
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different responsibilities, and there are different stations. And what I would want a woman to take
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away from that is not that God loves you less or that he sees you as any less dignified or any less
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worthy or any less smart, or that you can't, you're not a good teacher or something like that,
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but that it's different. And there is a purpose behind that. And for us to be able to take a step back
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and say, you know, even if this does hurt my ego, even if this does hurt my pride,
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I trust God's word. And I trust that he does this because he loves me, as we see so well in the New
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Testament. Yeah, you're spot on, Allie. And I think that the feminists have been very successful
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in turning this idea of submission, biblical submission, into a pejorative, into something
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that's, you know, looked down upon in our culture. And I think that that's very unfortunate.
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Look, I have the privilege to serve as a pastor, and I serve as the pastor of very intelligent women
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in our church, that there is a particular young lady in our church that knows Greek,
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and she can converse with us on the highest level as far as biblical interpretation. And she puts her
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gifts into use within the life of our church, but she knows that she has a role that God has
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placed her in, and she's not willing to go outside of that particular role because she wants to honor
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God. And so, again, you mentioned selfishness earlier and idolatry, and I think that a lot of
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this movement is very much rooted in that. Yeah. Well, thank you so much for your insight. I think this
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is going to be very encouraging and clarifying for people who maybe have been watching this conversation,
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and they just don't know what to make of it. They like people like Beth Moore, who are kind of on
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the other side of this, and they also like people like you and Al Mohler, who seem to be on the
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opposite side, and they're trying to just reconcile it. But at the end of the day, what we all have to
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remember is that any reconciliation of two opposing ideas can be found in the Word of God. And I agree
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with you wholeheartedly that the Word of God supports the differing roles for men and women and the equal
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value of men and women. So thank you so much for your insight, and thank you for all the hard work
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that you do. If you could tell everyone where to find you and anything that you would like people to
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know. Yeah, sure. Two things. You can find me on my blog. I write at deliveredbygrace.com. I'm also
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active on social media like Twitter. You can find me there at Josh Beist. Also, I'm the founding
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director of the G3 conference. It's held each January in Atlanta. I would love for you to come
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and join us this January. We're having a worship conference, so the entire theme is going to be
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focused on the theme of worship. And then finally, I would just simply state that if you're not a
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follower of Jesus Christ, you need to know that you have sinned against God, that you have transgressed
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His holy law, and that you deserve, just like all of us, all of humanity, you deserve the wrath of God.
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But if you would turn to Jesus Christ by faith, believing that He died for you in a substitutionary
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way, and call upon Him for the remission of your sins, the Bible says that you will be saved, that
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God will reconcile you to Himself through the very blood of His Son. And so I want to encourage anyone
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who might be listening to this, who's not yet a believer, to turn to Jesus Christ by faith.
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Amen. Thank you so much. I think that's a great note to end on. I appreciate you taking the time to talk to me.
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Thanks. You too. Well, I hope that you guys got some insight from him on this topic. Like I said, this is
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something that I'm going to cover in depth from a biblical perspective, of course, as we always do
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this summer and go back to what Scripture says about our role, particularly for someone like me.
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And maybe you're out there and you can relate to someone who likes to teach, someone who loves to
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talk about God's Word, someone who loves to lead. What does it look like to flourish in the strength
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that God gave us, that I believe that I was born with? What does it look like to flourish in those
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roles and still be in full submission to the Word of God? I think it is extremely possible. I don't
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think that it is necessary for us to compromise at all on the talents that we've been given by God
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or on obedience to God. I think it is always possible for us to do both to the glory of God.
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So I'd be interested to hear maybe where you disagreed on this subject. As you could tell,
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I disagreed with him on a few things, but if you have any thoughts, I would love to hear from you,
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Ali at the conservativemillennialblog.com. Feel free to send me an email or of course a message
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on Instagram. And I will see you guys back here on Monday for Theology Monday.