Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1221 ｜ Rebutting 'Progressive Christian' James Talarico’s Bad Theology

00:00:00.680 James Tallarico is a state representative from Texas who is a progressive and uses the Bible to support his progressivism.

00:00:10.580 Recently, he went on the Joe Rogan podcast to make his case for homosexuality, for abortion, for every progressive political and cultural belief, all by using parts of scripture.

00:00:25.360 We are going to rebut the basic assumptions of so-called progressive Christianity today and respond specifically to his arguments about these subjects.

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00:00:55.360 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable.

00:00:58.120 Happy Wednesday.

00:00:59.100 Hope everyone is having a wonderful week so far.

00:01:02.280 Well, today is Theology Wednesday.

00:01:04.900 We will be responding to James Tallarico, that very progressive Christian Texas state representative who has been going viral for a long time now.

00:01:16.140 He was just on Joe Rogan presenting the case for progressive Christianity, as I will explain later.

00:01:25.320 That's really a misnomer, and I will explicate why.

00:01:30.220 And we will be responding to his belief system, his worldview, and the specific biblical claims that were made on the show.

00:01:37.880 You guys have been asking me for a very long time to respond to some of his clips.

00:01:43.440 And I never want to do something like that flippantly or offhand without a lot of preparation, because there are theological claims being made, and they deserve a theological response, which takes time, effort, and thoughtfulness, which is what you will get today.

00:02:01.940 Okay, before we actually get into that response, there's a couple things I want to say.

00:02:06.800 Number one, wow, wow, wow, wow, that interview with Lindsay Snyder, who is the head of In-N-Out, I had no idea that would have the response that it did.

00:02:17.440 Obviously, I know that In-N-Out is a huge deal.

00:02:20.360 I love In-N-Out, and I know that people love their In-N-Out, and so any news about In-N-Out is going to spread far and wide.

00:02:29.480 She shared for the first time in that conversation with me, she doesn't do a whole lot of interviews, so this was very special.

00:02:38.040 I've been talking to her about coming on the show for several years now, and we were able to make it happen in California.

00:02:43.880 And she shared something that she had never shared before, and that is that she and her family, in addition to many corporate employees, are moving to Tennessee.

00:02:54.620 And this is a California company that has previously stayed west.

00:03:00.320 They have stores in Texas, but they used to say they're never going to go east of that, and now, of course, they're in Tennessee, which shifts the center of gravity for the company, and that's a big deal.

00:03:14.400 And Gavin Newsom and his press office didn't like that very much, so they responded.

00:03:20.260 Fox News, the LA Times, many, many outlets covered this.

00:03:24.400 The clip that I shared on social media went viral.

00:03:27.600 Wow, I just didn't realize the reach that this was going to have.

00:03:32.660 Lindsay did an amazing job, not just of explaining her position and her why behind her move, but also in sharing her testimony.

00:03:41.140 So I hope, with the attention that that interview is getting, that someone, that many people out there hear the gospel for the first time, hear her vulnerability, her transparency, how God has redeemed her and worked through her life, hear about the commitment that In-N-Out has to Christian principles, and that their heart is changed.

00:04:02.600 I mean, the Lord is just incredible.

00:04:04.980 When He's doing one thing, He's doing a million things, and while one thing makes the headlines, there are so many things He's doing that don't make headlines, that don't go viral.

00:04:14.720 And I trust that He is going to give Himself glory through her testimony.

00:04:22.480 And man, so many of you have sent encouragement and love and support, and I just encourage you to continue to send that love and support and encouragement to Lindsay and just how much you appreciate her.

00:04:36.380 Because as you can imagine, when anything gets a lot of attention, but especially when it's a conservative Christian podcast, there are going to be haters out there.

00:04:44.660 And when California responds and people think that it's some kind of political moment, which it's really not, there's going to be some negativity.

00:04:53.500 And so just make sure that you are sharing her arrows and that you are lifting her up as well.

00:04:59.180 Very thankful for that conversation.

00:05:01.520 Number two, my dad guest hosted on Monday.

00:05:04.260 We were traveling as a family.

00:05:05.780 I'm very grateful for that.

00:05:07.520 Y'all love my dad.

00:05:08.720 I love my dad.

00:05:09.820 Y'all appreciate his commentary and his wisdom and his insight, and so do I.

00:05:15.200 And one thing he talked about that I actually, I didn't know that that was a question that y'all had asked that that would be addressed on the episode on Monday.

00:05:23.500 It was Epstein, and you have probably noticed that I haven't yet addressed that.

00:05:28.440 And it's not because I don't care.

00:05:30.200 It's not because I think it's no big deal.

00:05:32.260 It is simply because I wanted to make sure that I have all of the details and have a thorough biblical response.

00:05:41.640 And so I am going to give my own response, my own take on that situation at a future episode.

00:05:50.000 I'm not sure which episode yet because it's probably going to be an entire episode dedicated to that because it is a big deal.

00:05:58.220 We are talking about lives.

00:06:00.820 We are talking about people.

00:06:02.260 We are talking about justice.

00:06:04.560 And by the way, my dad believes that it's a big deal too, but he has the stance that a lot of people have,

00:06:11.420 that a lot of you out there have, that some people may be using this story to distract from other things too.

00:06:19.700 That is his position.

00:06:21.280 That does not mean that it is unimportant.

00:06:23.520 I certainly do not believe that a story like this that involves real image bearers of God and their abuse and justice for them

00:06:33.140 and justice to be doled out equally to people who are in power,

00:06:37.720 I certainly don't think that's unimportant or something to be brushed to the side.

00:06:42.700 So don't get the wrong impression of what he or I or this show thinks about that.

00:06:48.160 It's a big deal and we will be talking about it on a future date.

00:06:54.120 All right, let's get into this craziness.

00:06:58.000 Let's get into this episode, July 18th of the Joe Rogan Experience with this Texas State Representative, James Tolerico.

00:07:07.600 Now, he professes to be a Christian, a strong Christian,

00:07:11.180 and you might have first heard about him because he spoke up against the law that has now been passed in the state of Texas

00:07:18.520 that allows for the Ten Commandments to be placed in public school classrooms, as we will get into.

00:07:27.780 He claims that that is not Christian at all.

00:07:30.180 On the Joe Rogan podcast, he justified abortion.

00:07:33.820 He justified homosexuality.

00:07:35.520 He justified every kind of progressive, secular, moral, political position

00:07:41.300 and argued not just that Christians are free to have these positions,

00:07:45.660 but that there is actual ample biblical support for, for example,

00:07:51.280 supporting the slaughter of unborn children through all nine months.

00:07:57.220 Joe Rogan seemed to enjoy the interview.

00:08:00.680 He has all kinds of people on, by the way,

00:08:03.020 and so I'm not, I'm not trying to accuse him of bias, certainly.

00:08:07.520 He has people on the right, people on the left, people who make all kinds of people mad.

00:08:12.380 And the reason why people love Joe's podcast is because he's a good listener

00:08:15.880 and asks really good pointed questions to all different kinds of people.

00:08:20.000 But Joe did say at the end, like, you need to run for president.

00:08:24.200 You're a good guy.

00:08:25.360 We need good people in politics.

00:08:29.040 And maybe Tallarico is, like, a nice person personally,

00:08:34.340 but I will explain today why his positions are so theologically egregious,

00:08:40.980 just straight up wrong.

00:08:43.200 And not only that, but spiritually, physically, and societally extremely dangerous.

00:08:50.620 So we'll get into those theological beliefs before we even get into the episode itself.

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00:12:06.020 Okay, so let me set us up.

00:12:08.280 We're not going to get into every clip of the show right now.

00:12:11.100 I kind of have to back up and tell you a little bit about who he is so you have a better understanding.

00:12:16.500 And not only that, I want to explain this moment where so-called progressive Christianity is really making a push.

00:12:24.860 Now, it has for several years, and I have been talking about it for several years.

00:12:29.780 But there seems to be a concerted effort by the media, by activists, by the Democrat Party to make the case that to be a real Christian,

00:12:38.200 not just this is an option for Christians, but to be a real Christian, you must be progressive.

00:12:42.340 You must be pro-abortion.

00:12:44.200 You must be pro-open borders.

00:12:45.860 You must be pro-social justice.

00:12:48.040 You must be pro-LGBTQ because that's what Jesus would really do.

00:12:53.500 However, as I will explain, the Jesus that they are talking about, the words that they are using that sound Christian are different than the meanings of the words that we use.

00:13:06.380 So, Talarico, in his episode, in his interview with Joe Rogan, described Jesus as someone who is, yes, a great teacher, but he's more like a pattern.

00:13:19.520 Here's that one.

00:13:20.920 In my faith tradition, Jesus is not just a great teacher.

00:13:27.460 Jesus is the embodiment of the pattern of the universe.

00:13:31.800 And Jesus' life, again, in our tradition, the milestones are incarnation, that's Christmas, right, when God takes human form.

00:13:39.760 So, that's incarnation.

00:13:40.980 The second is crucifixion, right?

00:13:42.780 That's Good Friday, where Jesus, because he confronts the powerful, is executed on a cross, a humiliating death, along with other criminals.

00:13:52.940 And then the last step is resurrection.

00:13:57.920 That's something new and beautiful rises from those ashes.

00:14:04.160 So, those three things, incarnation, crucifixion, resurrection, that's the pattern of the universe.

00:14:09.340 Again, just take religion out of it for a second.

00:14:11.480 Let's just think like a physicist or a biologist.

00:14:14.760 Creation, destruction, recreation.

00:14:17.120 I mean, that is the story of the physical universe.

00:14:19.620 It's the story of our lives, right, that we are all headed toward a brick wall at the end of this, right?

00:14:26.960 There is birth, death, rebirth.

00:14:30.720 Hindus would say reincarnation.

00:14:33.220 Okay.

00:14:33.860 So, I know that was long, and I kind of got bored already.

00:14:36.920 But it's important to understand where he is coming from there, because this is how someone who calls themselves a progressive Christian sees Jesus' life.

00:14:50.660 Yes, they might say as a moral teacher, but really as a metaphor, really as a symbol for what he called the pattern of the universe, but really, as we will get into, it is more a symbol of the call to liberate people from political systems of oppression.

00:15:17.640 That is what he is getting at here.

00:15:19.760 You will notice that he did not say Jesus is a savior.

00:15:23.460 He did not mention sin.

00:15:25.300 He didn't mention salvation.

00:15:27.040 He didn't mention heaven.

00:15:29.020 He didn't mention Jesus' sacrifice or his substitutionary death.

00:15:34.060 In fact, that's not at all how he describes the reasons that Jesus died.

00:15:39.320 He says that Jesus died to confront because he confronted the powerful.

00:15:44.760 Keep that in mind as we read a little bit more about who he is and what this so-called progressive Christianity is.

00:15:55.020 So, who is James Tallarico?

00:15:57.040 Why are you seeing him on your TikTok and your Instagram?

00:16:00.080 He is a Texas House representative.

00:16:02.860 He represents Round Rock, Taylor, Hutto, Georgetown.

00:16:06.140 So, this outside of Austin.

00:16:07.560 If you know anything about Texas politics, Austin is very progressive.

00:16:12.060 And the progressivism has seeped into these areas.

00:16:15.880 He actually flipped a previously red area blue.

00:16:19.860 I shouldn't say he flipped it, but probably California transplants flipped it.

00:16:25.500 And not only that, but here's what happened.

00:16:28.100 So, this is not just Texas, by the way.

00:16:31.580 This is really anywhere.

00:16:33.180 So, progressives take over a city.

00:16:35.080 Say it's a city like Austin or Denver or San Francisco.

00:16:39.340 And because their policies are awful, their city gets bad.

00:16:42.540 It becomes ridden with crime, with homelessness, with open drug use.

00:16:48.180 And it becomes dirty.

00:16:50.940 And the progressives who created this place that is inundated with progressive destructive policies, they don't want it anymore.

00:17:00.580 And so, the progressives with means, who have been voting for the very consequences that their city is now reaping, they move outward.

00:17:08.140 And they say, ugh, Austin has gone to crap.

00:17:11.220 I don't want to live here anymore.

00:17:12.460 I don't have to live here anymore.

00:17:13.840 The private schools are better.

00:17:15.620 I can get more bang for my buck outside of Austin.

00:17:18.860 So, they move to the suburbs or they move to the more rural areas.

00:17:23.360 And they do the same exact thing, not seeing that they are the problem.

00:17:28.160 So, that is probably what happened here.

00:17:30.140 The progressives, who really don't like the outcomes of the policies that they've been proposing in places like Austin, they move outward, where places are still nice.

00:17:40.680 Because why?

00:17:41.420 Because conservative policy has been dominating those places.

00:17:46.580 And then, they flip them.

00:17:48.300 They just cannot see it.

00:17:50.080 They cannot see it, which is also the definition of insanity.

00:17:52.980 So, that's how we get someone like James Tolerico.

00:17:55.660 So, he came into the spotlight as the result of viral videos of his speeches against the legislation that would require classrooms to display the Ten Commandments.

00:18:07.340 I think I said it aloud earlier, and I think it actually is mandating.

00:18:11.960 So, this becomes effective this year, September 1st.

00:18:15.820 So, here he is on the House floor, citing Romans 13, as his defense for his position against the requirement to pose the Ten Commandments.

00:18:27.200 The Hindu student who sits in a classroom is our neighbor.

00:18:32.720 The Buddhist student who sits in a classroom is our neighbor.

00:18:38.600 The Sikh student who sits in a classroom is our neighbor.

00:18:41.780 The atheist student who sits in a classroom is our neighbor.

00:18:46.160 And we are called to love them as ourselves.

00:18:49.840 But if this bill passes, we're going to put a poster on the wall of that classroom that says,

00:18:58.140 Thou shalt not worship any god before me.

00:19:02.580 We're putting up a poster that says their religion is inferior.

00:19:06.840 We're putting up a poster that says their faith is not welcome here.

00:19:11.660 Okay, let's think about this as a Christian.

00:19:14.240 If you are a Christian, then you believe in God, correct?

00:19:17.980 That's pretty basic.

00:19:19.060 You believe specifically in the God of Christianity, in the God of the Bible, that God who created the universe.

00:19:26.360 If he created the universe, as Genesis 1-1 says, at the first verse of the first chapter of the first book of the Bible,

00:19:32.400 then he's the authority over all of it.

00:19:34.760 And he is the source of truth.

00:19:36.280 He is the source of righteousness.

00:19:38.240 He is the source of morality.

00:19:40.280 And this God, who is the source of all truth and all goodness, the creator and authority over all things, also tells us who he is.

00:19:47.280 And 1 John 4-8, that he is love.

00:19:50.900 So if God is creator, if he is authority, if he is good, if he is love, as the Christian faith posits, then everything he says and everything he does, everything he commands, he says and does and commands in love, including you shall have no other gods before me.

00:20:08.360 Now, you might be able to make, maybe he believes he can make a constitutional argument against it.

00:20:14.500 Maybe you think this policy-wise is a bad idea.

00:20:18.560 That is a separate conversation.

00:20:20.120 But theologically, as a Christian, to say that it is not loving to tell a person who is of a different religion that you should have no other gods before Yahweh, that is not unloving.

00:20:36.120 Yes, Christianity does believe that every other religion is not inferior to Christianity, but is wrong, is actually false, and actually leads to hell.

00:20:46.100 So, again, politics aside, policy aside, even constitution aside, which, again, we can have a debate about that, but he's making a theological, biblical argument here.

00:20:58.080 Theologically, we cannot say that it is hateful to encourage someone to abandon idolatry if we believe that God is who he says he is, which, by definition, as a Christian, you do.

00:21:10.940 So, he says that it's important that we love our neighbor as ourselves.

00:21:17.200 That's what Christians are called to do.

00:21:18.940 Yes, but this is the second greatest command.

00:21:21.080 The first greatest command is what?

00:21:24.400 That's first said in the Old Testament.

00:21:25.920 That's reiterated by Jesus himself.

00:21:29.160 Hear, O Israel, the Lord your God is one.

00:21:32.440 The most important, the greatest commandment is that you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength.

00:21:42.540 And the second is like it.

00:21:44.480 You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

00:21:46.500 You cannot love your neighbor as yourself if you don't obey the first greatest commandment, which is to love the Lord your God.

00:21:54.420 Now, Jesus tells us exactly how we are to love him.

00:21:57.620 John 14, 15, if you love me, you will keep my commandments.

00:22:04.620 If you love me, you will keep my commandments.

00:22:09.720 Also, if we just want to point something out, in the capital of the United States, above the house chamber, is a depiction of Moses.

00:22:20.880 Now, why is there a depiction of Moses who presented the Ten Commandments and the law to ancient Israel?

00:22:27.840 Because he is a lawgiver, a very notable lawgiver in our country's history.

00:22:35.200 Because our country's founding is based upon specifically Christian biblical principles.

00:22:44.720 That all men are created equal and are given by their creator certain inalienable rights, among them being life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness.

00:22:56.540 This is based on the Christian premise, on the Judeo-Christian premise.

00:23:04.220 Some people have a hard time with that word, but it's true.

00:23:06.400 It was in the Jewish text before it was Christian.

00:23:10.940 That we are made, first of all, and we are made by a God.

00:23:16.340 And we are made by a God in God's image, and therefore we have certain inalienable rights that cannot be taken away from us by a lesser power, the government.

00:23:27.900 That is a Christian idea.

00:23:30.100 I mean, that is partly why Moses is depicted in our nation's capital.

00:23:35.880 The Ten Commandments are a very important part of American history, whether you like it or not.

00:23:42.680 The ideas there are interwoven in our laws, are interwoven in our founding documents.

00:23:48.960 You understand that the idea of property rights comes from the Ten Commandments, right?

00:23:54.320 I saw some crazy post the other day that was like, oh, it's just property rights are BS, capitalistic nonsense.

00:24:01.020 That doesn't come from God.

00:24:02.600 God cared so much about private property that he has two commands in the Big Ten having to do with them.

00:24:09.960 Number one, do not steal.

00:24:11.960 Number two, do not covet.

00:24:14.280 So it's not enough not just to take your neighbor's stuff.

00:24:17.000 You also shouldn't even want your neighbor's stuff.

00:24:19.480 That's how much God cared about private property.

00:24:22.740 Those ideas that are so embedded in Western civilization and the laws and the rights that we take for granted today are interwoven in, are found in the Ten Commandments.

00:24:34.460 So, yes, this is a part of history, whether or not it offends someone of a different faith.

00:24:41.960 And by the way, again, if you believe that God is who he says he is, you understand that he is the moral lawgiver.

00:24:49.840 And outside of what he says is right and wrong, there is no truth.

00:24:55.160 That is a Christian belief.

00:24:56.760 Now, why doesn't James Tallarico, who calls himself a Christian, have these fundamental theological beliefs that are so obvious in any reading of Scripture by a Christian?

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00:26:44.260 So he is the son of a Baptist minister.

00:26:47.200 Now, if you stopped there, you might think, okay, he knows everything about evangelicalism.

00:26:51.060 He was raised in the Southern Baptist Convention.

00:26:52.980 No, he was raised progressive.

00:26:54.640 So actually, I think with a grandson of a Baptist minister.

00:26:58.040 He grew up in the very progressive St. Andrew Presbyterian Church in Austin.

00:27:02.420 The church calls itself progressive, okay?

00:27:04.800 Not hiding that at all.

00:27:06.160 This is on their website.

00:27:07.740 He says, we are Christ-centered, yet we respect and learn from all religions of love.

00:27:13.740 From all religions of love.

00:27:15.560 What other religions are religions of love?

00:27:17.700 Would we include Islam in that?

00:27:20.080 Interesting display of love through that jihad.

00:27:22.860 The church is affiliated with the Presbyterian Church USA, PCUSA.

00:27:28.040 This is a fully affirming denomination, by the way.

00:27:31.800 The church is also affiliated with Reproductive Freedom Congregations, a movement of Texas churches

00:27:37.240 aiming to remove the, quote, stigma and shame of abortion.

00:27:42.080 Now, let's just take away the euphemism because abortion is a euphemism.

00:27:45.640 And let's say what it is, because it is the killing of a living child, of a baby.

00:27:50.900 Even if you want to say fetus, fetus is just Latin for small child.

00:27:55.100 So let's take away all euphemisms here.

00:27:58.520 They want to remove the stigma and the shame of killing a baby.

00:28:03.600 Wow.

00:28:04.520 I think some things need stigma.

00:28:07.000 I think some things should be shamed.

00:28:09.720 Not that we should not love the woman who has made this sinful choice,

00:28:13.960 but we also shouldn't hide the fact that it is a sinful choice, that it's wrong,

00:28:17.840 that it's actually going to hurt her as well as kill this baby who are both made in the image of God.

00:28:24.200 Babies deserve better than to be killed.

00:28:26.820 Women deserve better than abortion.

00:28:28.980 That is the Christian position.

00:28:31.180 We should not be removing shame and stigma around things that God calls sin,

00:28:37.320 things that kill vulnerable people like the baby inside the womb.

00:28:40.880 And mind you, these are the very people who say that they lead with love and they lead with empathy.

00:28:46.800 They are talking about normalizing and celebrating the brutal poisoning and dismemberment of little living,

00:28:53.660 wiggling, breathing babies.

00:28:55.160 That's the baby inside the womb.

00:28:57.780 This church openly celebrates transgenderism, every type of sexuality.

00:29:02.200 Like, let me just show you this absolute abomination on their Instagram.

00:29:05.640 They posted this picture of the cross of Jesus Christ draped in a flag that is celebrating the very sins that Jesus died for.

00:29:14.500 So we see the cross draped in transgender flag and pride flag.

00:29:18.500 And I think, I don't even know.

00:29:21.260 I can't keep up with what all of this is.

00:29:25.240 I still don't know how black and brown people got roped into the pride flag.

00:29:29.980 Like, I just don't, I don't understand.

00:29:32.380 I actually do understand it because they want you to think, you know,

00:29:36.400 these activists want you to think that all of these people are born this way,

00:29:41.240 that a person's they them identity is just as embedded and immutable as someone's ethnicity and the color of their skin,

00:29:51.120 which of course is crazy.

00:29:52.580 But when you make your sin your identity, it's easy to see how you become deceived in that way.

00:29:58.320 He also taught middle school in San Antonio before entering politics.

00:30:02.180 This is a lot of what he talks about is how it is so anti-Christian to be pro school choice.

00:30:10.780 And that is because he is very, very heavily funded by the teachers associations,

00:30:16.800 which are the teachers unions that have a lot of political power and exclusively fund Democrats,

00:30:24.020 not just in Texas, but elsewhere.

00:30:27.220 So this is not like, oh, just a genuine position.

00:30:30.420 He really feels strongly about this.

00:30:32.720 No, that's not really what's going on.

00:30:34.860 He is well funded by this.

00:30:36.260 And by the way, the anti-school choice position is wrong.

00:30:40.040 Just because you believe that parents should have the power to send their kids where they want to send them

00:30:46.180 without the restriction of something as arbitrary as a zip code does not mean that you are defunding public schools.

00:30:54.320 We fund public schools.

00:30:56.040 Unfortunately, a lot of those funds go to the teachers unions, the associations and bureaucratic bloat.

00:31:01.140 Don't make them their way to the teachers and to the students.

00:31:04.080 So if he really cares about student performance,

00:31:06.060 then we shouldn't just be looking at how much money is flowing to these schools,

00:31:11.180 but where that money is actually going.

00:31:13.040 He doesn't focus on that because that is not a popular position with the teachers unions,

00:31:17.200 who, of course, want more money.

00:31:19.440 You've seen him go viral probably several times.

00:31:22.120 He delivered a sermon that was pretty popular online at St. Andrews,

00:31:28.140 his church that he grew up in in November of 2022, arguing that Jesus is a feminist.

00:31:35.820 The first way we can tell that Jesus was a feminist is through his actions.

00:31:40.780 And throughout the Gospels, Jesus is constantly subverting first century gender norms

00:31:46.880 by talking with women, learning from women, healing women, trusting women.

00:31:52.800 In fact, the only person to ever beat Jesus in a debate in the Bible was the Syrophoenician woman.

00:32:00.180 Think about that.

00:32:01.660 The only person to teach Jesus something was a woman.

00:32:06.520 Even the son of God had something to learn from one of God's daughters.

00:32:12.000 The church should start to listen to them again.

00:32:13.940 Okay, so much blasphemy there.

00:32:17.540 First of all, Jesus is God.

00:32:20.220 Okay, so that's like pretty basic.

00:32:21.740 Jesus is God.

00:32:22.760 That means he's all-knowing.

00:32:23.940 That means he's all-powerful.

00:32:25.200 That means he is not limited by time and space,

00:32:27.200 even though he entered time and space in the person of Jesus,

00:32:31.580 who is fully God and fully man.

00:32:34.100 He did not surrender his omniscience there.

00:32:37.280 And so it is not possible for Jesus to have learned something

00:32:41.320 that he did not already know.

00:32:44.140 It is not possible for him to have made an error.

00:32:47.320 It is not possible for Jesus to have lost a debate because he is all-knowing.

00:32:52.740 He used this moment with the Syrophoenician woman as a learning opportunity

00:32:58.740 and to teach her and the people around him something about faith.

00:33:03.220 Then this story is from Mark 7, when a woman wanted to—he entered a house,

00:33:09.580 and a woman whose little daughter had an unclean spirit heard of him

00:33:12.580 and came and fell down at his feet.

00:33:14.100 She was a Gentile, but she begged Jesus,

00:33:17.000 please cast this demon out of my daughter.

00:33:20.040 But he rebuked her and said,

00:33:21.940 the children should be fed first.

00:33:23.620 So the non-Gentiles, the Israelites.

00:33:26.380 And then, you know, I'm not going to pay attention to you right now.

00:33:30.420 And she says,

00:33:31.780 yes, Lord, yet even the dogs, Gentiles under the table,

00:33:35.420 eat the children's crumbs.

00:33:37.360 And he said, for this statement, you may go your way.

00:33:39.480 The demon has left your daughter.

00:33:41.160 And so that is obviously not only showing what faith means,

00:33:46.400 that it is by faith that we are saved,

00:33:49.140 not by our ethnicity,

00:33:50.440 not by being an Israelite or a Gentile,

00:33:53.200 but by faith, as we see reiterated throughout the New Testament.

00:33:56.800 But this is also a moment that was recorded,

00:33:59.300 that was included in the Gospels,

00:34:00.880 to show that Jesus came for both the Jew and the Gentile,

00:34:04.600 who are reconciled to each other and to God by grace through faith,

00:34:08.320 as we read throughout the book of Ephesians.

00:34:10.800 So progressives are always getting it wrong,

00:34:12.980 because they are reading their politics into the text,

00:34:15.500 and they miss the true meaning and beauty of the text.

00:34:18.940 They miss the gospel in the text,

00:34:21.460 because they are looking to justify their politics.

00:34:26.260 He also conflates the least of these in Matthew 25

00:34:29.880 with illegal aliens with the world's poor.

00:34:32.920 Apparently, according to the progressive,

00:34:34.600 the least of these that is referenced in Matthew 25

00:34:37.640 is the military-aged male from Guatemala

00:34:42.220 who crosses over our border and lives here

00:34:46.660 and commits a life of crime.

00:34:48.080 That is the least of these,

00:34:49.680 but the innocent, unborn child in the womb is not.

00:34:54.040 Here, stop for it.

00:34:55.420 Christ says what we do for the least of these,

00:34:57.440 we do for him.

00:34:58.360 So where is Christ today?

00:35:01.600 Christ is the immigrant,

00:35:03.380 deported without due process.

00:35:06.540 Christ is the senior,

00:35:08.400 deprived of their Social Security benefits.

00:35:10.360 Christ is the protester kidnapped in an unmarked vehicle

00:35:15.460 by plainclothes officers.

00:35:17.820 Christ is the student sitting in an overcrowded classroom

00:35:21.480 in a defunded school.

00:35:24.160 Sometimes I wonder,

00:35:26.140 what would Jesus do if he visited the Texas legislature?

00:35:29.480 What would he say to me and my colleagues?

00:35:34.480 I think he would tell us,

00:35:37.120 depart from me,

00:35:38.440 for I was hungry and you cut my food stamps.

00:35:42.440 I was sick and you kicked me off Medicaid.

00:35:46.140 I was a stranger and you deported me and my family.

00:35:49.540 I was in prison and you wouldn't even pay for air conditioning.

00:35:55.560 And then I think he would flip over our fancy desks

00:35:59.160 on the floor of the Texas house

00:36:00.820 and demand that we take care of all our neighbors,

00:36:07.180 especially the least of these.

00:36:09.880 Okay, again, so much wrong with this interpretation.

00:36:13.540 Not even talking about his policy proposals,

00:36:16.860 which maybe we could talk about those.

00:36:18.560 Although I think that those are misguided too.

00:36:21.800 And I think that most of that is just disinformation

00:36:24.280 about what's actually going on with those policies.

00:36:27.180 But we could talk about that.

00:36:28.400 But since he's bringing up theology,

00:36:29.940 it's important to know what he is doing theologically here

00:36:32.480 and why it is wrong.

00:36:33.880 It is convincing, but it is wrong.

00:36:36.280 One thing that progressive so-called Christians do

00:36:38.540 is ascribe the personal to the political.

00:36:41.640 Or actually, it's the opposite.

00:36:43.160 Ascribe the political to the personal.

00:36:45.620 So what I mean is that they will take Jesus's commands

00:36:48.980 for you and me as individuals,

00:36:50.280 or the Bible's dictates specifically to churches in particular

00:36:54.000 or to Christians in particular,

00:36:55.700 and they will say this applies to governments and societies,

00:36:59.360 while simultaneously arguing that allowing Christianity

00:37:01.920 to influence our laws is Christo-fascism.

00:37:05.100 So do you see the contradiction in what he's doing here?

00:37:08.060 Simultaneously, he is saying that putting the Ten Commandments up

00:37:11.360 in a classroom, that that is oppressive, that that is wrong.

00:37:15.080 But he is also using the Bible to justify his policies

00:37:19.560 and saying that his interpretation of Scripture

00:37:22.220 should actually be the law of the land.

00:37:25.700 So it's not a problem.

00:37:27.800 He won't say this, but he doesn't actually believe

00:37:29.960 that Christianity and state power should be separate.

00:37:32.640 He wants his version of Christianity and state power

00:37:36.380 to be inextricably intertwined,

00:37:38.820 to give Democrats and the state more power

00:37:41.300 to push progressive policies.

00:37:44.540 In Matthew 25, Jesus is not talking

00:37:47.540 about the illegal immigrant who comes over here

00:37:50.280 and murders Lake and Riley.

00:37:51.400 I promise you that guy is not the least of these.

00:37:54.600 I promise you the people that are forcing their children,

00:37:58.180 the illegal aliens forcing their children

00:37:59.700 to work in marijuana farms in California,

00:38:02.460 that's not who Jesus is talking about

00:38:04.160 when he's talking about the least of these.

00:38:06.640 And you'll see also the conflation there

00:38:08.080 of immigrant and illegal immigrant

00:38:10.220 that is also a propagandistic manipulation tactic.

00:38:13.880 But Jesus is actually not even talking

00:38:15.900 about the truthfully vulnerable in the world.

00:38:17.740 In that case, he's not talking about the world's poor.

00:38:20.160 There is a place for them.

00:38:21.240 We should be caring for them.

00:38:22.580 The book of James is clear about that.

00:38:25.200 Jesus's life is clear about that.

00:38:26.880 Christians do have a responsibility to care for the poor.

00:38:29.220 That's not who he's talking about in this passage

00:38:31.420 because Jesus says, the least of these, my brothers.

00:38:36.100 He is talking about his followers,

00:38:38.820 who we later find out are called Christians,

00:38:41.840 followers of Christ.

00:38:43.020 He is talking about specifically in that passage,

00:38:46.240 persecuted Christians,

00:38:47.720 whatever you are doing for persecuted Christians,

00:38:50.240 whether it's in China or Yemen or the United States,

00:38:53.400 whatever you are doing for Jack Phillips,

00:38:56.020 you are doing to me.

00:38:58.340 Okay?

00:38:58.680 So this is not a justification for illegal immigration.

00:39:02.360 That's not what Jesus is talking about here.

00:39:05.020 Progressives try to fit their politics into every text

00:39:08.300 and always miss the goodness of God and his gospel.

00:39:12.900 That's the problem.

00:39:14.980 When Jesus tells us, for example,

00:39:16.420 to love our enemies or to turn the other cheek,

00:39:18.360 he is not saying that the government

00:39:19.900 should not enforce the law.

00:39:22.220 Like, by that logic,

00:39:23.880 because people use that as justification for open borders

00:39:26.700 or justification for not deporting

00:39:28.540 or justification for not having a death penalty

00:39:30.580 or not having prisons or whatever,

00:39:33.320 okay, then by that logic,

00:39:34.500 we shouldn't have any laws.

00:39:35.900 And there should be zero consequence for doing anything,

00:39:38.480 including stealing your stuff

00:39:40.100 and killing your family member.

00:39:42.120 By that logic,

00:39:43.200 you are saying that Jesus says

00:39:44.580 there should be no justice

00:39:45.840 and no consequence for those things

00:39:47.420 by saying we should love our enemies.

00:39:48.920 That is not what he is talking about.

00:39:50.720 He is talking to you,

00:39:51.860 and he is not asking you to delegate

00:39:54.080 your individual Christian responsibility

00:39:56.700 to the government.

00:39:58.440 And that is what socialists

00:39:59.920 and so-called progressive Christians are arguing for.

00:40:03.460 This is a big movement, like I said,

00:40:06.020 and I will give you just a few examples of that

00:40:07.940 before we finally get into my monologue

00:40:11.680 about progressive Christianity

00:40:12.740 and also the specific clips

00:40:15.060 from James Tallarico on Joe Rogan.

00:40:18.400 All of this context really matters,

00:40:19.800 and I want it to leave you with a better understanding

00:40:22.260 of what this movement is,

00:40:24.400 what it actually means beneath the surface,

00:40:26.320 and all of that setup is necessary

00:40:28.420 to actually go through the clips,

00:40:31.000 which we will do at the end.

00:40:33.080 So let me tell you a little bit more

00:40:35.220 about who these people are that are pushing this.

00:40:38.180 Just the other day,

00:40:38.980 we had a representative,

00:40:41.700 Hakeem Jeffries,

00:40:43.280 who is a Democrat,

00:40:44.820 argue that we need to be against

00:40:46.680 the big, beautiful bill

00:40:47.840 because the Bible calls us

00:40:50.260 to care for the sick.

00:40:52.100 And you know what?

00:40:52.420 I'm not even going to play it.

00:40:53.580 I was going to play it,

00:40:54.800 but it's the same exact passage

00:40:56.120 as we just saw James Tallarico's site

00:40:58.660 to say that we need to vote Democrat

00:41:00.700 and we need to vote against

00:41:01.740 the big, beautiful bill

00:41:02.720 because they said erroneously

00:41:04.580 it's going to take people's health insurance away.

00:41:06.640 Go back to Monday.

00:41:07.700 We debunked that factually

00:41:09.680 and just explain why that is actually

00:41:12.300 absolutely not true.

00:41:14.240 But he uses this same passage

00:41:16.740 to say that,

00:41:18.340 see, we should vote against this.

00:41:20.060 So understand,

00:41:21.140 simultaneously,

00:41:22.240 Democrats will say

00:41:23.180 that you,

00:41:24.860 Christian,

00:41:25.460 you cannot use the Bible.

00:41:27.100 You, conservative Christian,

00:41:28.160 you cannot use the Bible

00:41:29.520 to inform your politics.

00:41:31.560 You have to leave

00:41:32.860 your faith at home.

00:41:34.260 You have to check it out the door

00:41:35.380 before you go into the public square,

00:41:37.140 before you talk about politics,

00:41:38.820 before you vote.

00:41:40.320 But they don't.

00:41:41.820 They can use the Bible.

00:41:44.340 They can use their erroneous theology

00:41:47.400 to inform the law,

00:41:49.360 to shape public policy.

00:41:51.360 But you can't

00:41:52.760 because they don't actually care

00:41:54.160 about the theology.

00:41:55.140 They just care about the policy.

00:41:57.560 And whatever manipulation tactic

00:41:59.400 they can use

00:42:00.340 to get you to be a Democrat,

00:42:02.500 that's really what it's about,

00:42:04.620 then they will do that.

00:42:06.300 Stacey Abrams,

00:42:07.360 the other day,

00:42:08.060 there was an article

00:42:10.780 that I read

00:42:11.840 that said

00:42:13.120 Stacey Abrams,

00:42:14.220 in order to be a real Christian,

00:42:17.300 that you should be progressive.

00:42:20.180 So Stacey Abrams

00:42:20.860 says it will out

00:42:21.340 another run for office.

00:42:22.420 This headline reads

00:42:22.960 says true Christians

00:42:24.080 should espouse

00:42:25.480 progressive views.

00:42:27.260 And I keep seeing this

00:42:28.660 over and over again,

00:42:29.840 not just from politicians,

00:42:30.980 but also online.

00:42:33.020 A lot of you guys

00:42:33.880 send me Ben Kramer stuff,

00:42:36.140 like please respond to this.

00:42:37.840 He's the guy

00:42:38.500 who says things like this.

00:42:39.520 If our Christianity

00:42:40.100 causes kids to go hungry,

00:42:41.560 the sick to go without health care,

00:42:43.180 the stranger to be unwelcome,

00:42:44.640 the needy to be called parasites,

00:42:46.580 all while billionaires get richer,

00:42:47.960 we profoundly misunderstood

00:42:49.020 the most basic elements

00:42:50.800 of Jesus's teachings.

00:42:53.880 And again,

00:42:54.500 this is a misunderstanding

00:42:55.660 of who Jesus is talking to,

00:42:57.780 what Jesus is talking about.

00:42:59.220 And not only that,

00:43:00.060 it is a misunderstanding

00:43:01.160 of progressive policy

00:43:03.000 versus conservative policy

00:43:04.580 and the outcomes

00:43:05.960 that these policies

00:43:06.880 actually produce

00:43:07.880 because democratic policies

00:43:09.620 cannot be judged

00:43:10.760 by their stated intention.

00:43:11.980 They have to be judged

00:43:12.740 by their outcome.

00:43:13.960 And democratic policies

00:43:15.220 are not helping people

00:43:16.720 not grow hungry.

00:43:18.060 They are not helping people

00:43:19.800 be safer.

00:43:20.900 They are not helping them

00:43:21.820 get a better education.

00:43:22.900 You know how I know?

00:43:24.140 Because every single city

00:43:25.440 that has gotten

00:43:26.060 more progressive policy-wise

00:43:27.560 is dirtier and less safe.

00:43:29.780 OK, so let's judge

00:43:32.740 progressive policies

00:43:33.600 by their outcomes,

00:43:34.580 not by their stated intentions,

00:43:35.880 and see which one

00:43:37.200 actually helps people

00:43:39.180 in a tangible way

00:43:41.080 and in a long-term way,

00:43:42.580 not just by handing out,

00:43:43.740 but actually helping up.

00:43:45.960 No policy is perfect.

00:43:47.340 No party is perfect.

00:43:48.640 But conservative policy

00:43:49.820 wins on that.

00:43:51.080 Remember,

00:43:51.680 it was the Biden administration

00:43:53.180 who, through the USDA,

00:43:55.880 took away snap breakfast

00:43:57.720 and lunches

00:43:58.660 from poor students

00:43:59.680 in public schools

00:44:00.580 who refused to abide

00:44:01.840 by the new rewrite

00:44:03.140 of Title IX,

00:44:04.260 which said,

00:44:04.940 under the Biden admin,

00:44:06.540 that boys must be allowed

00:44:08.320 into girls' bathrooms,

00:44:09.580 teams, and locker rooms.

00:44:11.280 If a public school

00:44:12.240 didn't abide by that,

00:44:13.580 the USDA took away

00:44:15.220 their snap funding

00:44:16.280 so those kids

00:44:17.540 actually went hungry.

00:44:19.740 That happened

00:44:20.420 under a Democrat president.

00:44:22.200 All right?

00:44:22.780 So even just beyond

00:44:24.540 the theological interpretation here

00:44:26.460 that is completely

00:44:27.540 wrong

00:44:28.120 and a complete

00:44:29.040 misapplication

00:44:30.120 of what Jesus says,

00:44:31.340 it is also politically wrong.

00:44:33.360 Okay?

00:44:33.740 That's not just true

00:44:34.700 of Ben Kramer.

00:44:36.420 That's also true

00:44:37.280 of the Jen Hamilton person

00:44:39.240 who I've responded to before.

00:44:41.620 I can link the video

00:44:42.740 that I put up

00:44:43.400 that responded to

00:44:44.140 her viral video.

00:44:45.640 This is another person

00:44:46.760 who claims,

00:44:47.780 I follow the red words of Jesus.

00:44:49.520 I follow the red words

00:44:50.880 of Jesus.

00:44:52.040 A lot of progressive Christians

00:44:53.540 say that.

00:44:54.160 That's a tale

00:44:55.280 as old as time.

00:44:56.060 None of this stuff

00:44:56.580 is new.

00:44:57.120 None of it is novel.

00:44:58.820 None of it is like brilliant.

00:45:00.660 If any of these people

00:45:01.980 stood before

00:45:03.140 and debated

00:45:03.900 and discussed

00:45:04.700 with a Christian

00:45:06.120 who knows their Bible,

00:45:07.740 I promise you

00:45:08.620 they would not be able

00:45:10.100 to stand strong.

00:45:11.380 Their views

00:45:12.260 do not hold water.

00:45:13.420 They are very superficial.

00:45:14.760 They are made

00:45:15.340 for sound bites

00:45:16.200 and TikTok,

00:45:17.240 not for a real robust

00:45:18.700 theological conversation,

00:45:20.100 discussion,

00:45:20.540 or understanding.

00:45:22.820 Okay?

00:45:23.660 This idea

00:45:24.480 that they believe in

00:45:25.640 and apply

00:45:26.060 the red words of Jesus,

00:45:27.980 you know they weren't

00:45:28.520 originally red, right?

00:45:29.740 Because all of the Bible

00:45:30.800 is God's word?

00:45:32.440 But that's not even true

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00:47:00.060 First,

00:47:01.000 progressive Christianity,

00:47:02.680 quote unquote,

00:47:03.520 is a misnomer.

00:47:05.420 It is an oxymoron.

00:47:07.580 An oxymoron

00:47:08.540 is a contradiction

00:47:09.280 in terms.

00:47:11.620 Now,

00:47:11.800 a paradox

00:47:12.220 is a seeming

00:47:13.540 contradiction.

00:47:14.600 Sometimes these words

00:47:15.320 are used interchangeably,

00:47:16.860 but this word,

00:47:18.580 this progressive Christian,

00:47:20.380 is an oxymoron.

00:47:22.120 It is actually

00:47:22.860 a contradiction.

00:47:23.980 It is like saying,

00:47:25.620 I want a flat waffle.

00:47:27.440 Well,

00:47:27.800 a flat waffle

00:47:28.620 is a pancake

00:47:29.260 because

00:47:30.180 what makes a waffle

00:47:31.900 a waffle

00:47:32.460 are the ridges.

00:47:33.640 In the same way,

00:47:34.780 a progressive Christian

00:47:35.940 is not a Christian

00:47:37.060 because Christianity

00:47:38.220 is not progressive.

00:47:39.720 It is static.

00:47:40.700 It is defined

00:47:41.580 by a central

00:47:42.880 fixed truth.

00:47:44.020 This truth

00:47:44.840 does not change.

00:47:46.060 It doesn't progress.

00:47:47.180 It doesn't evolve.

00:47:48.800 The central,

00:47:49.520 defining,

00:47:50.400 fixed truth

00:47:51.140 of Christianity

00:47:51.860 is found

00:47:53.180 in our name.

00:47:54.300 Christians follow

00:47:55.180 Jesus Christ,

00:47:56.460 which means

00:47:57.160 Jesus the Messiah,

00:47:59.500 which means

00:47:59.980 Jesus the Anointed One

00:48:01.780 or the Chosen One.

00:48:03.280 That's what Christ means.

00:48:04.920 So the question is,

00:48:06.220 chosen to do

00:48:07.600 what?

00:48:08.640 Chosen by God

00:48:10.040 to bring salvation.

00:48:11.200 John 3.16 says,

00:48:13.180 For God so loved

00:48:14.080 the world

00:48:14.580 that He gave

00:48:15.260 His only Son,

00:48:16.720 that whoever

00:48:17.260 believes in Him

00:48:18.380 should not perish

00:48:19.660 but have eternal life.

00:48:21.600 Luke 2.11 says,

00:48:23.240 For unto you

00:48:24.200 is born this day

00:48:25.000 in the city of David

00:48:25.800 a Savior,

00:48:27.000 who is Christ the Lord.

00:48:28.500 So Jesus,

00:48:29.540 this Jesus Christ

00:48:30.360 came to save.

00:48:31.760 Jesus is our Savior.

00:48:33.700 From what?

00:48:34.780 Matthew 1.21 says,

00:48:36.360 She will bear,

00:48:37.060 that's Mary,

00:48:37.660 she will bear a son

00:48:38.940 and you shall call

00:48:40.060 His name Jesus.

00:48:41.200 for He will save

00:48:42.340 His people

00:48:42.940 from their sins.

00:48:44.960 Romans 6.23 says,

00:48:46.420 For the wages of sin

00:48:47.480 is death,

00:48:48.200 but the free gift of God

00:48:49.600 is eternal life

00:48:50.820 in Christ Jesus our Lord.

00:48:52.560 So we read that

00:48:53.760 Jesus is a Savior

00:48:54.840 from sin and death,

00:48:56.300 spiritual death,

00:48:57.120 which is separation

00:48:57.920 from God and hell.

00:48:59.480 That is the most fundamental

00:49:00.960 defining belief

00:49:01.900 of Christianity

00:49:02.480 and it is found

00:49:03.640 in our name.

00:49:05.100 And so those

00:49:05.620 who call themselves

00:49:06.600 progressive Christians

00:49:07.780 deny this central truth.

00:49:09.960 So-called progressive Christians

00:49:11.640 do not believe.

00:49:13.640 And this is true.

00:49:14.500 This is not an exaggeration.

00:49:16.000 I am as accurately

00:49:16.960 as I can

00:49:17.680 describing what they believe.

00:49:19.280 Do not believe

00:49:20.380 in sin

00:49:21.100 how the Bible defines sin.

00:49:22.440 They do not define Savior

00:49:23.700 as we define Savior.

00:49:24.900 They do not define salvation

00:49:26.140 as we define salvation.

00:49:27.740 They follow Jesus

00:49:28.560 as a moral teacher

00:49:29.720 to an extent,

00:49:31.120 and that's an important caveat,

00:49:32.760 as an activist,

00:49:33.920 as a justification

00:49:34.740 for socialism,

00:49:36.940 as a liberator

00:49:37.800 from earthly systems

00:49:38.800 of oppression.

00:49:39.940 And here's how

00:49:40.600 those who identify themselves

00:49:42.320 as liberal Christians

00:49:43.280 define Christianity,

00:49:44.860 a means by which

00:49:45.880 we fight for the liberation

00:49:47.180 of the oppressed

00:49:47.960 and the marginalized.

00:49:49.500 And we got to define our terms.

00:49:50.800 We learned that in 2020.

00:49:52.040 Who are the oppressed

00:49:52.880 and the marginalized?

00:49:54.080 The illegal immigrant,

00:49:55.340 the non-white person,

00:49:56.580 the LGBTQ person,

00:49:58.060 the poor person,

00:49:58.820 and in some cases,

00:50:01.020 in some cases,

00:50:01.820 like when it comes to abortion,

00:50:02.900 the woman.

00:50:03.900 Now, what does oppressed mean?

00:50:06.200 Today, it mostly means,

00:50:07.820 in this context,

00:50:09.260 not receiving taxpayer

00:50:10.800 subsidized privileges.

00:50:12.560 For example,

00:50:13.420 the LGBTQ person

00:50:14.660 is oppressed

00:50:15.680 because perhaps

00:50:16.420 insurance companies

00:50:17.800 won't cover their IVF

00:50:18.880 and surrogacy journeys

00:50:19.800 the way that they would

00:50:20.640 for a straight couple.

00:50:22.540 The illegal immigrant

00:50:23.680 is oppressed,

00:50:24.520 they would say,

00:50:25.040 when they're unable

00:50:25.600 to receive state-funded

00:50:26.860 health care coverage

00:50:27.680 or when our border laws

00:50:29.080 are enforced

00:50:29.800 and they're not able

00:50:30.500 to stay here illegally.

00:50:32.040 It may mean

00:50:32.760 laws against

00:50:33.740 homeless encampments.

00:50:35.720 It may mean

00:50:36.560 laws against abortion

00:50:38.200 that they would argue

00:50:39.320 oppress women.

00:50:41.520 And how do they believe

00:50:43.000 these groups

00:50:43.440 should be fought for?

00:50:44.300 Primarily politically.

00:50:45.940 Voting and advocating

00:50:46.980 for a political system

00:50:48.080 that prioritizes

00:50:49.120 the needs and the desires

00:50:50.280 of these groups

00:50:51.180 above the needs

00:50:52.200 of the privileged

00:50:52.880 class of oppressors,

00:50:54.120 which are made up of

00:50:55.420 white people,

00:50:55.960 straight men,

00:50:56.680 and the rich,

00:50:58.180 and really anyone

00:50:59.400 in any demographic

00:51:00.380 who opposes

00:51:01.040 progressive policies.

00:51:03.060 This is to the so-called

00:51:04.620 progressive Christian salvation.

00:51:06.600 This is the kingdom of heaven.

00:51:08.460 This is the gospel

00:51:09.800 in their world.

00:51:11.540 Sin is collective,

00:51:12.640 not personal.

00:51:13.880 Salvation is political,

00:51:15.380 not spiritual.

00:51:16.340 The kingdom of heaven

00:51:17.240 is earthly,

00:51:18.400 not eternal.

00:51:19.560 Jesus is a savior

00:51:20.480 from conservatism,

00:51:21.780 not condemnation.

00:51:23.960 James Cone

00:51:25.000 was a far-left theologian.

00:51:26.440 He taught black liberation theology,

00:51:28.660 the tenets of which

00:51:29.440 are still extremely popular today,

00:51:31.340 even amongst some people

00:51:32.380 who call themselves evangelicals.

00:51:34.760 And he wrote this,

00:51:35.860 quote,

00:51:36.020 Jesus is not a human being

00:51:37.480 for all persons.

00:51:38.580 He is a human being

00:51:39.380 for oppressed persons

00:51:40.520 whose identity

00:51:41.540 is made known

00:51:42.540 in and through

00:51:43.580 their liberation.

00:51:44.720 That's from his book,

00:51:45.820 A Black Theology of Liberation.

00:51:48.360 Every bit of scripture,

00:51:49.860 Old and New Testament,

00:51:50.940 is read through that lens,

00:51:52.780 the lens of political liberation

00:51:54.400 of those the modern

00:51:55.600 Democrat Party

00:51:56.380 views as disenfranchised

00:51:58.040 and oppressed.

00:51:59.140 Now, you contrast this

00:52:00.500 to what the Bible

00:52:01.400 says the gospel is,

00:52:03.100 which is this,

00:52:04.260 that there is a perfect,

00:52:05.380 holy God

00:52:05.820 who created the world.

00:52:07.540 Because he is holy,

00:52:08.400 he cannot tolerate sin.

00:52:10.060 That's bad news for us

00:52:11.140 because all of us

00:52:12.380 have sinned.

00:52:13.340 Every single one of us.

00:52:14.480 Romans 3.23 says,

00:52:16.020 all have sinned

00:52:16.760 and fallen short

00:52:17.220 of the glory of God.

00:52:19.000 That's God's perfect standard.

00:52:20.660 And because of that,

00:52:21.420 every single one of us

00:52:22.320 deserves to be separated

00:52:23.240 from God forever.

00:52:24.060 We deserve punishment

00:52:25.920 for our sins in hell.

00:52:27.720 But God,

00:52:28.720 but God,

00:52:29.280 because he loves us,

00:52:30.540 warts and all,

00:52:31.520 sins and all,

00:52:32.480 sent someone to reach

00:52:33.580 his perfect standard

00:52:34.560 on our behalf.

00:52:36.160 And that was Jesus,

00:52:37.280 his only son,

00:52:38.320 who lived a perfectly

00:52:39.340 sinless life

00:52:40.160 and yet was executed

00:52:41.640 like a brutal criminal.

00:52:43.600 Now,

00:52:43.960 you heard James Tallarico

00:52:45.180 say this,

00:52:46.860 all progressive Christians

00:52:48.120 believe this,

00:52:49.040 that Jesus was killed

00:52:50.500 by the Roman Empire

00:52:52.240 for upsetting

00:52:53.180 the power structures

00:52:54.040 of the day,

00:52:55.440 for standing up

00:52:56.160 for the marginalized,

00:52:56.860 for being an activist.

00:52:58.040 But that is not true.

00:52:59.880 Jewish religious leaders

00:53:00.880 demanded Jesus' death

00:53:02.140 because Jesus asserted

00:53:03.280 that he's God,

00:53:04.640 that he's the Messiah,

00:53:05.860 that they've been waiting for,

00:53:07.160 that the prophets

00:53:07.720 prophesied about,

00:53:08.700 the Savior that the Jewish people

00:53:09.900 had been longing for,

00:53:11.100 and Rome complied.

00:53:12.900 But even that

00:53:14.080 is not why

00:53:15.000 ultimately Jesus died.

00:53:17.340 Jesus didn't die

00:53:18.120 because of Rome

00:53:18.840 or because of the Jews.

00:53:20.200 Ultimately,

00:53:20.780 Jesus died because of us.

00:53:22.680 Jesus died because

00:53:23.440 sin demands punishment

00:53:24.560 and that punishment

00:53:25.640 is death.

00:53:26.900 Hebrews 9.22 says,

00:53:28.240 without the shedding of blood,

00:53:29.160 there is no forgiveness

00:53:29.900 of sins.

00:53:31.180 So when Jesus,

00:53:32.100 the sinless one,

00:53:32.820 was crucified,

00:53:33.620 he served as a sacrifice

00:53:34.840 for our sins

00:53:35.560 because we're sinners

00:53:36.600 and God's perfect

00:53:37.680 and someone had to stand

00:53:39.240 in our place

00:53:39.760 and say,

00:53:40.580 they're okay.

00:53:41.880 They're forgiven.

00:53:42.600 Their sin is gone.

00:53:43.980 Their slate is wiped clean.

00:53:45.580 Don't look at their sins.

00:53:46.680 Look at me,

00:53:47.560 the perfect one,

00:53:48.320 the holy one.

00:53:49.360 That was Jesus.

00:53:50.160 That is Jesus.

00:53:51.160 Jesus stood in the gap for us,

00:53:52.680 making us by his sacrifice

00:53:54.180 perfect and pleasing to God.

00:53:56.700 For our sake,

00:53:57.400 he who,

00:53:58.240 he made him

00:53:58.900 to be sin

00:53:59.720 who knew no sin

00:54:00.920 so that we might become

00:54:02.420 the righteousness of God.

00:54:03.660 2 Corinthians 5.21

00:54:05.720 And not only did he die

00:54:07.880 because every leader

00:54:08.940 of every major religion

00:54:09.900 has died,

00:54:10.460 but he rose again

00:54:11.140 three days later

00:54:11.820 as witnessed by hundreds

00:54:13.260 and recorded by the writers

00:54:14.900 of the gospels,

00:54:15.940 he conquered death

00:54:16.920 so that we could live forever

00:54:18.460 in heaven with God.

00:54:19.660 What amazing news.

00:54:21.200 And how do we access

00:54:22.140 this good news?

00:54:23.040 By grace through faith.

00:54:24.260 Ephesians 2.8-10.

00:54:27.080 Romans 5.1 says,

00:54:28.760 Therefore,

00:54:29.760 since we have been justified

00:54:30.920 by faith,

00:54:32.520 we have peace with God

00:54:33.700 through our Lord Jesus Christ.

00:54:35.640 Now,

00:54:35.860 we may disagree somewhat

00:54:36.900 on how we apply

00:54:37.720 the teachings of the Bible

00:54:38.940 to politics,

00:54:40.760 to the world,

00:54:41.840 but all Christians

00:54:42.680 who follow,

00:54:43.760 not Jesus the activist,

00:54:44.940 but Jesus Christ the Messiah

00:54:46.620 believe in that good news.

00:54:48.880 And because we believe

00:54:49.880 in Jesus the Messiah,

00:54:50.980 we believe in his divinity,

00:54:52.580 that he is God.

00:54:53.880 So we don't separate

00:54:54.900 Jesus' words

00:54:55.600 from the rest of Scripture

00:54:56.540 because we understand

00:54:57.980 all of Scripture

00:54:59.140 are Jesus' words.

00:55:00.820 Everything God does

00:55:01.800 in the Old Testament,

00:55:02.560 Jesus is right there too.

00:55:04.000 Everything God the Father

00:55:05.280 calls in,

00:55:06.000 Jesus and the Holy Spirit

00:55:06.960 do too.

00:55:07.940 Progressives view

00:55:08.620 Jesus' ministry

00:55:09.640 as at odds

00:55:11.580 with the Old Testament.

00:55:12.460 with the Old Testament God,

00:55:14.860 with the Old Testament words

00:55:17.020 because they essentially

00:55:18.260 deny the Trinity.

00:55:19.720 They have to,

00:55:20.680 they have to deny

00:55:22.600 the Trinity really

00:55:23.420 to paint Jesus

00:55:24.320 as this communist hippie

00:55:25.800 who had nothing to do with,

00:55:28.340 for example,

00:55:28.820 the property rights

00:55:29.660 that got established

00:55:30.480 in the Old Testament

00:55:31.580 or the command

00:55:34.200 for the death penalty,

00:55:36.860 Genesis 9-6,

00:55:37.880 or the prohibition

00:55:38.900 against homosexuality

00:55:40.220 in Leviticus

00:55:40.880 and the establishment

00:55:41.900 of marriage

00:55:42.420 in Genesis 1.

00:55:44.480 But you see,

00:55:45.260 all of this

00:55:45.720 falls apart so quickly

00:55:46.700 because Jesus also

00:55:48.460 affirmed the definition

00:55:49.320 of gender and marriage

00:55:50.340 in Matthew 19-4-5.

00:55:52.160 Jesus affirmed

00:55:52.800 and doubled down

00:55:54.180 on the Ten Commandments

00:55:55.460 in Matthew 5

00:55:56.640 and emphasized

00:55:57.240 that following the law

00:55:58.100 is more than just actions.

00:55:59.280 It's about heart obedience.

00:56:01.200 The New Testament

00:56:01.740 affirms the right

00:56:02.700 of the state

00:56:03.120 to execute,

00:56:03.900 Romans 13,

00:56:04.600 and also emphasizes

00:56:05.600 the sinfulness

00:56:06.220 of homosexuality

00:56:07.360 and the holiness

00:56:08.220 of marriage

00:56:08.760 between one man

00:56:09.540 and one woman,

00:56:10.360 1 Corinthians 6,

00:56:11.400 Romans 1,

00:56:12.080 Ephesians 5.

00:56:13.200 We could go on.

00:56:14.640 Progressive Christians

00:56:15.400 will say they follow Jesus,

00:56:16.620 but they don't follow

00:56:17.460 Jesus the Christ

00:56:18.480 because they don't believe

00:56:20.760 that he's the Messiah

00:56:21.700 who saves from sins

00:56:22.900 and they don't follow

00:56:23.980 Jesus the teacher,

00:56:25.200 actually,

00:56:25.700 because they don't abide

00:56:26.560 by his teachings.

00:56:28.280 Not only do they

00:56:29.080 redefine sin,

00:56:30.000 salvation,

00:56:30.540 the gospel,

00:56:31.020 they also redefine

00:56:31.880 the very thing

00:56:32.560 they claim is central

00:56:33.400 to their belief system,

00:56:34.760 love.

00:56:35.960 When they say

00:56:36.440 love your neighbor,

00:56:37.120 they are including

00:56:37.660 the affirmation

00:56:38.420 of what God calls sin.

00:56:40.040 When they say

00:56:40.640 love your neighbor,

00:56:41.360 they are not including

00:56:42.280 the unborn child.

00:56:44.040 When they say love,

00:56:45.440 they are including

00:56:46.180 the wholesale celebration

00:56:47.280 of sexual immorality

00:56:48.440 and societal chaos.

00:56:50.360 So it is not true love,

00:56:52.160 it is toxic empathy.

00:56:53.920 True love never rejoices

00:56:55.020 in wrongdoing,

00:56:55.740 but rejoices with the truth.

00:56:58.420 And that is

00:56:59.040 1 Corinthians 13,

00:57:00.220 6.

00:57:00.960 Who defines truth?

00:57:03.200 Who defines love?

00:57:04.240 God is love,

00:57:04.920 1 John 4,

00:57:05.540 8.

00:57:05.780 He's the creator

00:57:06.320 of the world,

00:57:06.880 Genesis 1,

00:57:07.380 so he is the source

00:57:08.360 of truth.

00:57:09.440 So we can only fulfill

00:57:10.600 this truth and love

00:57:11.520 command that we are

00:57:12.380 called to

00:57:13.100 by agreeing with him.

00:57:15.900 Progressives think

00:57:16.540 they're nicer than God.

00:57:18.200 Christians know

00:57:18.780 that God is love

00:57:19.640 and the most loving thing,

00:57:20.720 therefore we can do

00:57:21.760 is agree with him

00:57:22.520 in all things.

00:57:24.020 And by the way,

00:57:24.800 many,

00:57:25.240 if not most,

00:57:26.980 of these in this camp

00:57:27.820 deny the resurrection.

00:57:29.260 They deny John 14,

00:57:30.540 6 that Jesus

00:57:31.140 is the only way to heaven.

00:57:32.520 They are largely universalist

00:57:33.780 when it comes to heaven.

00:57:34.940 Most don't believe

00:57:35.600 in hell at all,

00:57:36.180 but if there is a hell,

00:57:37.580 they will tell you,

00:57:38.620 you're going there,

00:57:39.960 conservative.

00:57:41.460 I've literally

00:57:42.180 been told that,

00:57:43.980 I think,

00:57:44.300 in like one single message

00:57:45.580 that there is no hell,

00:57:46.660 but you're going there.

00:57:48.300 They've constructed

00:57:49.300 a Jesus

00:57:49.800 that didn't actually exist.

00:57:52.240 They've built up a faith

00:57:53.380 that is built

00:57:53.940 on political ideals,

00:57:55.200 not on faith in Christ.

00:57:57.720 So by no definition

00:57:59.280 can a progressive Christian

00:58:00.220 actually define themselves

00:58:01.200 as Christian.

00:58:01.760 Understand too

00:58:03.500 that progressives

00:58:04.200 who identify as Christians

00:58:05.440 do not believe

00:58:06.920 in the inerrancy

00:58:07.960 of scripture.

00:58:09.080 Their belief

00:58:09.700 is that the Bible

00:58:10.640 was written,

00:58:11.700 interpreted,

00:58:12.220 and compiled

00:58:12.660 by sinful men

00:58:13.760 who were trying

00:58:14.560 to make sense

00:58:15.300 of the world

00:58:15.960 and who in many cases

00:58:17.200 were actually

00:58:17.660 tragically trapped

00:58:18.600 by the myopic thinking

00:58:20.080 of their culture

00:58:20.760 at the time.

00:58:22.040 And so because of this,

00:58:23.520 they don't view

00:58:24.180 the Bible as authoritative

00:58:25.220 and cohesive,

00:58:26.180 but as exclusively

00:58:27.540 a tool to wield

00:58:28.660 for their political ends

00:58:29.760 and or as affirmation

00:58:31.180 of their own choices.

00:58:32.480 Those of us who know

00:58:33.500 that the Bible

00:58:34.000 is without error

00:58:34.720 and is therefore authoritative,

00:58:36.620 we believe all of scripture

00:58:38.020 must be understood

00:58:38.920 in light of scripture.

00:58:40.300 We don't pick and choose

00:58:41.620 which parts to believe

00:58:42.840 and which parts to reject.

00:58:44.880 We understand each segment

00:58:45.900 as it is meant

00:58:46.660 to be understood.

00:58:48.060 Much is literal.

00:58:49.120 Some is allegory.

00:58:50.180 Some is hyperbole.

00:58:50.940 Some is parable.

00:58:52.280 Some is descriptive.

00:58:53.100 A lot is prescriptive.

00:58:54.280 And we carefully study

00:58:55.440 every passage

00:58:56.640 in context

00:58:57.840 in light of history

00:58:58.900 in the ancient Hebrew

00:59:00.140 and Greek

00:59:00.480 to try our very best

00:59:01.540 as fallible people

00:59:02.340 to understand

00:59:03.280 what is really going on.

00:59:07.180 We have to go to the Bible

00:59:08.160 to know what's up.

00:59:10.600 But progressives

00:59:12.280 feel no such obligation.

00:59:14.300 The Bible to them

00:59:15.020 is a cafeteria.

00:59:16.320 And as much as they may say

00:59:17.740 they follow the red letters

00:59:18.700 of Jesus,

00:59:19.380 they pick and choose

00:59:20.400 those two.

00:59:23.060 And I want to see this

00:59:24.340 in action now.

00:59:25.180 I want us to look

00:59:26.160 at this in action

00:59:27.820 as we watch

00:59:29.480 James Tallarico

00:59:30.780 completely misinterpret

00:59:31.880 scripture

00:59:32.360 and misapply scripture

00:59:34.580 and hypocritically say

00:59:38.440 that you should apply

00:59:40.100 the Bible

00:59:40.700 to your politics

00:59:42.740 as long as it is

00:59:44.140 supporting

00:59:44.720 progressive policies.

00:59:47.200 But if you do so

00:59:48.240 as a conservative Christian,

00:59:49.440 then you are

00:59:50.260 a Christo-fascist

00:59:51.960 who wants to wed

00:59:52.760 state power

00:59:53.620 with religious power.

00:59:55.060 So let's get into it.

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01:00:45.640 Okay,

01:00:46.240 it was really hard

01:00:47.160 to pick my favorite

01:00:47.900 clips here

01:00:49.140 because they're all

01:00:49.840 they're all insane

01:00:51.060 but I'll give you

01:00:52.240 a concise response

01:00:53.280 to each of them

01:00:53.960 in just a second.

01:00:55.340 Okay,

01:00:55.960 let's go ahead

01:00:56.920 and play.

01:00:57.440 Saw 11

01:00:58.020 as James Tallarico

01:00:59.080 is trying to defend

01:01:00.080 abortion using the Bible.

01:01:01.840 All I'm asking

01:01:02.600 is that for Christians

01:01:03.480 who are pro-choice

01:01:05.020 and who respect

01:01:06.660 the bodily autonomy

01:01:07.680 of women

01:01:08.140 that we be given

01:01:09.600 the space

01:01:10.160 to make our

01:01:10.800 theological argument

01:01:11.620 because I think

01:01:12.160 there is a lot

01:01:12.920 of biblical evidence

01:01:15.200 to support that opinion.

01:01:16.580 What do you think

01:01:17.020 is the biblical evidence

01:01:17.960 to support the opinion

01:01:18.960 of being pro-abortion?

01:01:20.820 So one,

01:01:22.060 you know,

01:01:22.520 in Genesis

01:01:23.500 God creates life

01:01:26.360 by breathing life

01:01:27.780 into the first human being

01:01:29.340 which we later call Adam

01:01:30.520 that life starts

01:01:32.600 when you take

01:01:33.120 your first breath

01:01:34.140 and that is actually

01:01:34.960 the mainline position

01:01:38.860 in Judaism

01:01:39.620 is that that's

01:01:41.180 when life starts.

01:01:43.360 Then if you think

01:01:44.440 about it

01:01:44.680 from a Christian perspective

01:01:45.680 what something interesting

01:01:47.360 that Jesus does

01:01:48.060 throughout his ministry

01:01:48.940 is he is breaking

01:01:50.760 first century norms

01:01:52.320 about women

01:01:53.160 talking with women

01:01:55.460 learning from women

01:01:56.920 the longest conversation

01:01:58.660 Jesus has

01:01:59.340 with anybody

01:01:59.920 in the whole Bible

01:02:00.660 is with the Samaritan woman

01:02:02.240 at the well

01:02:02.640 and so this

01:02:04.580 this affirmation

01:02:05.700 of women

01:02:07.160 as full and equal people

01:02:08.360 is a huge part

01:02:09.280 of the Jesus movement

01:02:10.700 especially the early church.

01:02:11.920 Mary is probably

01:02:12.340 my favorite figure

01:02:14.320 in the Bible

01:02:14.860 the mother of Jesus

01:02:16.180 but I say all this

01:02:17.080 in terms of

01:02:17.660 in context of abortion

01:02:18.700 because

01:02:19.380 before God

01:02:21.180 comes over Mary

01:02:23.920 and we have

01:02:25.680 the incarnation

01:02:26.340 God asks

01:02:28.420 for Mary's consent

01:02:29.720 the angel

01:02:30.780 comes down

01:02:31.700 and asks Mary

01:02:32.580 if this is something

01:02:33.820 she wants to do

01:02:34.600 and she says

01:02:35.660 if it is God's will

01:02:36.860 let it be done

01:02:37.540 let it be

01:02:38.200 let it happen

01:02:39.280 so to me

01:02:40.240 that is an affirmation

01:02:41.700 in one of our

01:02:42.220 most central stories

01:02:43.300 that creation

01:02:45.180 has to be done

01:02:45.800 with consent.

01:02:47.400 Okay so his

01:02:48.620 three defenses

01:02:49.520 basically boil down

01:02:51.040 to God breathed

01:02:52.380 life into Adam

01:02:53.140 so therefore

01:02:53.860 our life doesn't

01:02:54.860 start until

01:02:55.860 first breath

01:02:56.880 and then

01:02:57.700 I'm sorry

01:02:58.160 I'm not trying to laugh

01:02:59.020 because it's a serious thing

01:02:59.960 but it's so ridiculous

01:03:01.060 and then number two

01:03:02.060 Jesus talked to a woman

01:03:03.180 at the well

01:03:03.680 for a long time

01:03:04.520 and therefore

01:03:05.120 he's pro-abortion

01:03:06.600 and then number three

01:03:07.860 God asked Mary's consent

01:03:09.720 before impregnating her

01:03:10.740 so first of all

01:03:11.720 I just want to address

01:03:12.440 this like

01:03:12.940 this principle

01:03:13.920 that's going on here

01:03:14.660 all three of these passages

01:03:16.680 according to James Tallarico

01:03:18.100 are secretly about abortion

01:03:19.600 but thou shall not murder

01:03:20.900 is not

01:03:21.500 okay

01:03:22.940 so all of these

01:03:24.160 we're supposed to read

01:03:24.880 into all of these passages

01:03:26.180 and say

01:03:26.560 huh

01:03:26.860 okay

01:03:27.340 I can't figure out

01:03:29.220 what God thinks

01:03:29.820 about murdering innocent people

01:03:31.220 let me go to the story

01:03:32.600 of the woman at the well

01:03:33.480 oh

01:03:34.300 Jesus talked

01:03:35.160 Jesus talked to this woman

01:03:36.500 for a long time

01:03:37.180 he must be okay

01:03:38.060 with killing babies

01:03:38.900 using forceps

01:03:39.820 that makes sense

01:03:41.420 oh

01:03:42.100 let me go back

01:03:42.860 to the Ten Commandments

01:03:43.760 one of them says

01:03:44.600 thou shall not murder

01:03:45.580 nah

01:03:46.020 has nothing to do

01:03:47.480 with killing an unborn child

01:03:48.660 okay

01:03:48.900 there's so much wrong

01:03:49.940 with this

01:03:50.300 even beyond that

01:03:51.520 number one

01:03:52.480 Adam was made

01:03:53.380 from the dust

01:03:54.040 God created Adam

01:03:54.960 from the dust

01:03:55.360 so he literally

01:03:56.160 was not alive

01:03:57.800 when God

01:03:58.720 breathed life

01:03:59.820 into him

01:04:00.580 babies in the womb

01:04:01.600 are alive

01:04:02.320 okay

01:04:03.080 like I just need

01:04:03.960 to tell you that

01:04:04.860 pro-abortion people

01:04:05.980 scientifically

01:04:07.060 we're just talking

01:04:08.020 about science here

01:04:08.780 we're not even talking

01:04:09.740 about theology

01:04:10.680 and that silly hogwash

01:04:12.160 that you just heard

01:04:12.840 we're just talking

01:04:13.520 about science

01:04:14.120 babies in the womb

01:04:15.340 are alive

01:04:16.140 you know how I know

01:04:17.700 they're alive

01:04:18.560 because an abortion

01:04:19.860 kills them

01:04:20.680 if they're not alive

01:04:22.480 you don't need

01:04:22.860 to have an abortion

01:04:23.560 you just deliver

01:04:24.780 the child

01:04:25.420 there's nothing else

01:04:26.760 to do

01:04:27.240 but poison

01:04:28.200 is used to kill

01:04:29.000 that child

01:04:29.680 forceps are used

01:04:31.180 to kill that child

01:04:32.220 that child

01:04:33.460 is stripped

01:04:33.820 of its amniotic fluid

01:04:35.140 in abortions

01:04:36.200 to die

01:04:36.980 they're not just removed

01:04:39.180 they are killed

01:04:40.360 via pill

01:04:41.040 via poison

01:04:42.220 via dismemberment

01:04:44.040 to ensure fetal demise

01:04:46.140 that is the euphemism

01:04:47.280 that is used

01:04:48.480 those babies

01:04:49.180 are alive

01:04:50.040 that's how you know

01:04:51.400 that you are pregnant

01:04:53.260 they are growing

01:04:54.840 they are moving

01:04:56.220 they are practicing

01:04:57.300 those breathing movements

01:04:58.720 by the way

01:04:59.540 they are ingesting

01:05:00.760 that amniotic fluid

01:05:02.120 and expelling it

01:05:03.520 but yeah

01:05:04.180 they're not actually

01:05:05.160 breathing air

01:05:06.080 because there's not air

01:05:07.700 in the amniotic sac

01:05:09.420 and they don't need

01:05:10.540 to do that yet

01:05:11.300 but their lungs

01:05:12.220 are working

01:05:13.040 that is part of

01:05:13.780 the development

01:05:14.600 if they weren't alive

01:05:16.100 they wouldn't be growing

01:05:17.360 these babies

01:05:18.100 inside the womb

01:05:18.840 are not only growing

01:05:19.880 their heartbeats

01:05:21.320 are not only going

01:05:23.040 but they also

01:05:24.820 can feel pain

01:05:26.420 at a certain point

01:05:27.660 okay

01:05:27.920 these are human

01:05:29.160 beings

01:05:29.780 with their own

01:05:30.540 distinct DNA

01:05:31.620 they're not like

01:05:32.440 an organ

01:05:33.020 they are their own

01:05:34.980 distinct DNA

01:05:36.760 growing

01:05:38.220 on their own

01:05:39.320 yes with the help

01:05:40.280 and the sustenance

01:05:41.780 of the mother

01:05:42.820 but they just need

01:05:44.000 time and room

01:05:45.820 and sustenance

01:05:46.760 to grow

01:05:47.440 and the only difference

01:05:49.660 between a baby

01:05:50.440 inside the womb

01:05:51.520 and a baby

01:05:51.980 outside of the womb

01:05:52.840 is time

01:05:53.460 and time seems

01:05:54.580 like a very flimsy

01:05:56.260 and arbitrary

01:05:57.460 justification

01:05:58.420 for the murder

01:05:59.780 of a defenseless

01:06:00.760 innocent person

01:06:01.680 wouldn't you agree

01:06:02.520 James Tallarico

01:06:03.420 have you not been

01:06:04.600 preaching to us

01:06:05.540 all day

01:06:06.400 about defending

01:06:07.360 the most vulnerable

01:06:08.420 who is more vulnerable

01:06:10.100 than the unsuspecting

01:06:11.860 baby inside the womb

01:06:13.620 do I need to tell you

01:06:16.340 James

01:06:16.580 what happens

01:06:17.220 in an abortion

01:06:17.860 do you know

01:06:19.980 that that abortion pill

01:06:21.300 is robbing

01:06:22.100 that baby

01:06:22.680 of sustenance

01:06:23.560 and the ability

01:06:24.480 to breathe

01:06:25.480 it suffocates

01:06:26.580 and poisons

01:06:27.240 the baby

01:06:27.760 until they die

01:06:28.800 and are dispelled

01:06:30.540 later on

01:06:32.500 there is a chemical

01:06:33.520 combination

01:06:34.300 that is used

01:06:35.280 in the lethal injection

01:06:36.620 of death row inmates

01:06:39.700 that is also injected

01:06:41.000 into the amniotic sac

01:06:42.460 and into the heart

01:06:43.880 of that wiggling

01:06:45.340 moving baby

01:06:46.560 to induce

01:06:47.720 a heart attack

01:06:48.720 in that child

01:06:49.660 in the second trimester

01:06:50.880 so that he or she

01:06:52.340 dies

01:06:52.980 before delivery

01:06:54.840 that's what's

01:06:55.840 happening

01:06:56.280 and let me guess

01:06:57.160 James Tallarico

01:06:58.160 you disagree

01:06:59.560 with the death penalty

01:07:01.420 for brutal murderers

01:07:02.840 but you're okay

01:07:03.500 with the same

01:07:04.360 chemical combination

01:07:05.880 of that lethal injection

01:07:07.920 being used

01:07:09.120 on an innocent baby

01:07:10.420 inside the womb

01:07:11.160 is that your

01:07:11.880 loving Christianity

01:07:13.280 is that your

01:07:14.680 compassion

01:07:15.360 is that

01:07:15.900 what you're saying

01:07:16.840 Jesus would stand for

01:07:18.320 because he talked

01:07:19.140 to the woman

01:07:19.660 at the well

01:07:20.300 really

01:07:22.000 sin makes you

01:07:23.940 stupid

01:07:24.420 James

01:07:24.900 sin makes you

01:07:26.080 stupid

01:07:26.580 and you

01:07:27.740 are

01:07:28.360 case in point

01:07:30.380 all right

01:07:32.360 next one

01:07:33.720 he defends

01:07:34.200 homosexuality

01:07:35.020 side eight

01:07:35.460 well I think

01:07:36.780 broadly we should

01:07:37.480 say that

01:07:37.980 using religion

01:07:38.880 to control

01:07:39.340 the people

01:07:39.820 is a tale

01:07:40.580 as old as time

01:07:41.140 right

01:07:42.000 I mean

01:07:42.240 this is powerful

01:07:43.020 stuff

01:07:43.500 it's part of

01:07:44.640 why I made

01:07:45.420 the decision

01:07:45.740 to go to

01:07:46.120 seminary

01:07:46.580 because I was like

01:07:47.400 if I'm going to

01:07:47.740 talk about

01:07:48.200 my faith

01:07:49.320 and my beliefs

01:07:51.420 and my values

01:07:52.220 in a public

01:07:52.820 setting

01:07:53.140 or on this

01:07:54.060 podcast

01:07:54.540 when millions

01:07:55.040 of people

01:07:55.340 are going to

01:07:55.620 listen

01:07:55.840 I better know

01:07:56.840 what I'm talking

01:07:57.260 about

01:07:57.520 let's take

01:07:58.120 the issue

01:07:59.200 of homosexuality

01:08:00.420 in particular

01:08:01.160 one is something

01:08:03.660 Jesus never talks

01:08:04.460 about

01:08:04.700 even though

01:08:05.880 gay people

01:08:07.400 existed in the

01:08:07.960 ancient world

01:08:08.480 is it in the

01:08:09.220 Old Testament

01:08:09.700 so there

01:08:10.900 in the Old

01:08:11.340 Testament

01:08:11.660 there is a

01:08:12.560 prohibition

01:08:13.700 against men

01:08:15.000 lying with other

01:08:15.620 men

01:08:15.840 right

01:08:16.120 and here's

01:08:17.220 the thing

01:08:17.620 and any

01:08:18.140 biblical scholar

01:08:18.920 will tell you

01:08:19.360 this

01:08:19.640 in a lot

01:08:20.980 of ways

01:08:21.220 we're dealing

01:08:21.620 with ancient

01:08:22.200 euphemisms

01:08:22.800 and it's hard

01:08:24.020 to tell

01:08:24.480 what a euphemism

01:08:25.480 means

01:08:26.000 thousands of

01:08:27.280 years later

01:08:27.720 in the Hebrew

01:08:28.760 Bible

01:08:29.100 you do have

01:08:29.960 this

01:08:30.680 prohibition

01:08:31.660 we're not

01:08:32.460 sure exactly

01:08:33.060 what it means

01:08:33.600 and if we're

01:08:34.680 taking it

01:08:35.160 just literally

01:08:36.420 does that

01:08:37.640 mean that

01:08:38.160 we're also

01:08:38.600 prohibiting

01:08:40.280 same-sex

01:08:41.020 relationships

01:08:41.500 between women

01:08:42.160 we're now

01:08:42.960 reading it

01:08:43.280 with modern

01:08:43.640 eyes

01:08:44.040 trying to

01:08:45.160 interpret

01:08:45.860 what they

01:08:46.300 mean

01:08:46.720 and then

01:08:47.200 apply it

01:08:47.820 to our

01:08:48.180 modern

01:08:48.440 context

01:08:49.000 one I

01:08:49.880 think

01:08:50.020 that's

01:08:50.680 sloppy

01:08:51.520 theology

01:08:52.120 two I

01:08:53.160 think

01:08:53.300 it's

01:08:53.480 disrespectful

01:08:54.020 to the

01:08:55.380 Jewish

01:08:55.580 people

01:08:55.940 three it's

01:08:57.120 a

01:08:57.280 misunderstanding

01:08:57.700 of

01:08:58.040 Christianity

01:08:58.460 because the

01:08:59.000 whole idea

01:08:59.480 of Jesus's

01:09:01.200 movement

01:09:01.620 was that

01:09:02.320 he was

01:09:03.420 simplifying

01:09:04.820 the law

01:09:05.260 right

01:09:05.720 he simplified

01:09:06.300 it into

01:09:06.640 two commandments

01:09:07.260 love God

01:09:07.800 and love

01:09:08.080 neighbor

01:09:08.360 those are

01:09:09.560 the only

01:09:09.820 two commandments

01:09:10.500 that we

01:09:12.060 Christians

01:09:12.380 should keep

01:09:12.760 our focus

01:09:13.180 on

01:09:13.540 I was

01:09:15.800 holding it

01:09:16.260 together

01:09:16.500 that whole

01:09:16.960 time

01:09:17.200 okay

01:09:17.500 so we

01:09:18.760 are looking

01:09:19.200 through a

01:09:19.600 modern lens

01:09:20.420 at these

01:09:20.960 verses and

01:09:21.560 trying to

01:09:22.040 apply it to

01:09:22.560 our modern

01:09:22.940 day with

01:09:23.320 just sloppy

01:09:23.820 theology but

01:09:24.540 the woman at

01:09:25.020 the well is

01:09:25.380 about abortion

01:09:25.980 oh my gosh

01:09:27.740 do you hear

01:09:29.160 yourself James

01:09:30.080 Tallarico

01:09:30.640 you're saying

01:09:32.220 that the story

01:09:32.880 of Mary

01:09:33.860 submitting to

01:09:34.920 the Lord

01:09:35.500 and bringing

01:09:36.720 forth the

01:09:37.360 savior of the

01:09:38.040 world Jesus

01:09:38.740 that that's

01:09:39.300 secretly about

01:09:40.080 abortion

01:09:40.560 that God

01:09:41.900 giving life

01:09:42.740 to Adam

01:09:43.140 that's

01:09:43.640 secretly

01:09:44.020 about

01:09:44.420 abortion

01:09:44.780 the woman

01:09:45.120 at the

01:09:45.300 well

01:09:45.400 that's

01:09:45.720 secretly

01:09:46.140 about

01:09:46.560 abortion

01:09:46.920 but this

01:09:47.800 is a very

01:09:48.240 apparently

01:09:48.860 very euphemistic

01:09:49.780 and unclear

01:09:50.420 Leviticus

01:09:51.540 20 13

01:09:52.360 if a man

01:09:53.080 lies with

01:09:53.600 a male

01:09:54.180 as with

01:09:54.540 a woman

01:09:54.800 both of

01:09:55.200 them have

01:09:55.500 committed

01:09:55.760 an abomination

01:09:56.400 they should

01:09:56.800 be put

01:09:57.060 to death

01:09:57.440 what could

01:09:58.220 that mean

01:09:58.720 let us

01:09:59.620 bring out

01:10:00.020 the scholars

01:10:00.540 to try

01:10:00.980 to figure

01:10:01.340 out why

01:10:01.760 that is

01:10:02.160 because

01:10:02.740 it ensured

01:10:03.420 civilizational

01:10:04.200 demise

01:10:04.800 and we

01:10:06.420 see in the

01:10:06.720 very beginning

01:10:07.200 that God

01:10:07.640 made them

01:10:07.960 male and

01:10:08.360 female

01:10:08.640 told them

01:10:09.020 to be

01:10:09.280 fruitful

01:10:09.540 and multiply

01:10:10.220 that is

01:10:10.640 impossible

01:10:11.140 with two

01:10:11.620 men

01:10:11.880 and we

01:10:12.320 also see

01:10:12.700 in Ephesians

01:10:13.220 5

01:10:13.640 that that

01:10:14.780 marriage

01:10:15.040 between a

01:10:15.460 man and

01:10:15.720 a woman

01:10:16.120 is reflective

01:10:17.040 of an

01:10:17.480 eternal

01:10:18.060 spiritual

01:10:18.480 reality

01:10:19.080 of Christ's

01:10:19.660 marriage

01:10:19.900 to the

01:10:20.280 church

01:10:20.540 Christ

01:10:20.940 the groom

01:10:21.740 and the

01:10:22.120 church

01:10:22.440 the bride

01:10:23.660 Romans 1

01:10:25.520 is not at

01:10:26.660 all unclear

01:10:27.600 about this

01:10:28.540 they don't

01:10:28.880 use euphemisms

01:10:29.660 they don't

01:10:30.140 use contested

01:10:31.320 terms

01:10:31.880 literally

01:10:32.900 God

01:10:33.500 who is in

01:10:34.640 the Old

01:10:34.940 Testament

01:10:35.200 and the

01:10:35.520 New

01:10:35.660 and does

01:10:35.960 not change

01:10:36.500 Hebrews 13

01:10:37.120 Jesus Christ

01:10:37.920 is the same

01:10:38.380 yesterday

01:10:38.700 today

01:10:39.060 and forever

01:10:40.520 and Jesus

01:10:41.040 is God

01:10:42.080 so he's

01:10:42.640 in all

01:10:43.100 of this

01:10:43.480 but Romans

01:10:44.420 1

01:10:45.040 says

01:10:45.840 for their

01:10:47.040 women exchanged

01:10:47.700 natural relations

01:10:48.500 for those that are

01:10:49.320 contrary to nature

01:10:50.100 and the men

01:10:50.480 likewise gave up

01:10:51.200 natural relations

01:10:51.880 with women

01:10:52.300 and were consumed

01:10:52.860 with passion

01:10:53.360 for one another

01:10:54.040 men committing

01:10:54.960 shameless acts

01:10:55.720 with men

01:10:56.000 and receiving

01:10:56.380 in themselves

01:10:56.940 the due

01:10:57.440 penalty

01:10:57.740 for their

01:10:58.180 error

01:10:58.560 God gave

01:11:00.040 them up

01:11:00.300 to a

01:11:00.540 debased

01:11:00.980 mind

01:11:01.460 to do

01:11:02.160 what ought

01:11:02.460 not to

01:11:02.760 be done

01:11:03.060 goodness

01:11:03.360 what could

01:11:03.840 that possibly

01:11:04.280 mean

01:11:04.720 what do we

01:11:25.060 say

01:11:25.320 marriage

01:11:25.920 between

01:11:26.180 one man

01:11:26.620 and one

01:11:26.860 woman

01:11:27.120 rooted in

01:11:27.680 creation

01:11:28.040 Genesis 1

01:11:28.800 reiterated

01:11:29.520 throughout

01:11:30.240 scripture

01:11:30.800 as we see

01:11:32.440 in honor

01:11:32.840 your father

01:11:33.340 and mother

01:11:33.740 for example

01:11:34.220 repeated by

01:11:34.880 Jesus himself

01:11:35.580 which we'll

01:11:35.920 get to

01:11:36.180 in a second

01:11:36.720 representative

01:11:37.480 of Christ

01:11:38.100 in the church

01:11:38.520 Ephesians 5

01:11:39.180 and therefore

01:11:39.580 is reflective

01:11:40.180 of the gospel

01:11:41.500 the Bible

01:11:41.800 starts with

01:11:42.280 the marriage

01:11:42.560 and ends

01:11:42.900 with the marriage

01:11:43.360 that's why

01:11:43.840 when people

01:11:44.340 deny

01:11:44.640 Genesis

01:11:45.000 127

01:11:45.480 they end

01:11:46.160 up denying

01:11:46.660 John 14

01:11:47.340 6

01:11:47.660 as of course

01:11:48.260 Tellurico

01:11:48.700 does

01:11:49.140 but he

01:11:50.300 says

01:11:50.500 Jesus

01:11:50.740 never

01:11:50.980 mentions

01:11:51.320 homosexuality

01:11:52.100 here's

01:11:52.340 that

01:11:52.460 nine

01:11:52.740 if this

01:11:54.380 was

01:11:54.540 something

01:11:54.860 that

01:11:55.680 really

01:11:57.300 was

01:11:57.660 central

01:11:58.000 to

01:11:58.240 Jesus's

01:11:58.860 ministry

01:11:59.560 I would

01:12:00.680 think

01:12:00.880 he would

01:12:01.200 have

01:12:01.380 said

01:12:01.840 something

01:12:02.200 about

01:12:02.480 it

01:12:02.620 right

01:12:02.860 we

01:12:02.980 have

01:12:03.120 four

01:12:03.320 gospels

01:12:03.820 with

01:12:04.540 tons

01:12:05.220 of

01:12:05.560 teachings

01:12:05.880 from

01:12:06.120 Jesus

01:12:06.400 and

01:12:06.740 none

01:12:06.980 of

01:12:07.100 them

01:12:07.200 are

01:12:07.300 about

01:12:07.520 this

01:12:07.780 so

01:12:08.560 it

01:12:08.700 just

01:12:08.860 I

01:12:09.040 get

01:12:09.200 suspicious

01:12:09.640 when

01:12:10.100 anybody

01:12:10.660 whether

01:12:11.080 it's

01:12:11.300 a

01:12:11.720 televangelist

01:12:13.440 or a

01:12:13.900 politician

01:12:14.240 tells

01:12:14.700 me

01:12:14.880 that

01:12:15.020 something

01:12:15.320 is

01:12:15.520 central

01:12:15.740 to

01:12:15.900 my

01:12:16.060 faith

01:12:16.340 when

01:12:16.900 Jesus

01:12:19.140 that

01:12:19.500 should

01:12:19.760 I

01:12:20.200 think

01:12:20.400 ring

01:12:21.040 alarm

01:12:21.340 bells

01:12:21.640 as

01:12:22.860 to

01:12:23.020 what

01:12:23.240 is

01:12:23.360 the

01:12:23.500 agenda

01:12:23.760 here

01:12:24.060 what

01:12:25.080 is

01:12:25.220 someone

01:12:25.420 trying

01:12:25.760 to

01:12:26.120 to

01:12:26.720 get

01:12:26.840 across

01:12:27.260 and

01:12:27.780 I

01:12:27.920 think

01:12:28.180 if we're

01:12:29.100 looking

01:12:29.220 at the

01:12:29.400 last

01:12:29.560 40

01:12:29.880 50

01:12:30.120 years

01:12:30.600 the

01:12:31.100 religious

01:12:31.360 right

01:12:31.680 has

01:12:31.980 made

01:12:32.520 a

01:12:32.660 concerted

01:12:33.160 effort

01:12:33.440 to

01:12:33.900 make

01:12:34.240 homosexuality

01:12:35.500 and

01:12:35.700 abortion

01:12:36.060 the

01:12:36.880 two

01:12:37.180 biggest

01:12:37.460 issues

01:12:37.780 for

01:12:37.980 Christians

01:12:38.360 number

01:12:39.840 one

01:12:40.180 Jesus

01:12:40.520 answered

01:12:41.220 have

01:12:41.740 you

01:12:41.860 not

01:12:42.060 read

01:12:42.300 that

01:12:42.500 he

01:12:42.740 who

01:12:42.940 created

01:12:43.360 them

01:12:43.620 from

01:12:43.840 the

01:12:44.020 beginning

01:12:44.320 made

01:12:44.780 them

01:12:45.000 male

01:12:45.240 and

01:12:45.460 female

01:12:45.880 and

01:12:46.840 said

01:12:47.040 therefore

01:12:47.380 a

01:12:47.660 man

01:12:47.820 shall

01:12:48.020 leave

01:12:48.420 his

01:12:48.620 father

01:12:48.860 and

01:12:49.020 his

01:12:49.160 mother

01:12:49.340 and

01:12:49.480 hold

01:12:49.620 fast

01:12:50.080 to

01:12:50.260 his

01:12:50.400 wife

01:12:50.660 and

01:12:51.100 the

01:12:51.220 two

01:12:51.520 shall

01:12:51.780 become

01:12:52.300 one

01:12:53.060 flesh

01:12:53.700 that's

01:12:53.980 Matthew

01:12:54.300 19

01:12:54.880 4

01:12:55.360 through

01:12:55.620 5

01:12:56.160 Jesus

01:12:56.820 positively

01:12:57.640 defined

01:12:58.860 marriage

01:12:59.800 exactly

01:13:00.500 how

01:13:01.120 the

01:13:01.460 Bible

01:13:01.800 positively

01:13:02.460 defines

01:13:03.200 marriage

01:13:03.820 and

01:13:04.040 holy

01:13:04.340 sexuality

01:13:05.100 throughout

01:13:06.080 scripture

01:13:06.520 and that

01:13:06.880 is between

01:13:07.320 one

01:13:07.600 man

01:13:07.880 and

01:13:08.080 one

01:13:08.300 woman

01:13:08.640 in

01:13:09.340 answering

01:13:09.760 a

01:13:09.940 question

01:13:10.160 about

01:13:10.380 divorce

01:13:10.900 to

01:13:11.400 the

01:13:11.580 Pharisees

01:13:12.000 he

01:13:12.140 goes

01:13:12.360 all

01:13:12.700 the

01:13:12.860 way

01:13:12.960 back

01:13:13.160 to

01:13:13.320 creation

01:13:13.820 and

01:13:14.440 takes

01:13:14.800 the

01:13:15.000 time

01:13:15.260 to

01:13:15.440 define

01:13:16.020 the

01:13:16.300 gender

01:13:16.640 binary

01:13:17.200 and

01:13:17.800 define

01:13:18.360 marriage

01:13:19.160 and

01:13:19.760 remember

01:13:20.200 what we

01:13:20.540 said

01:13:20.760 about

01:13:20.980 these

01:13:21.160 people

01:13:21.380 denying

01:13:21.820 the

01:13:22.040 trinity

01:13:22.340 they

01:13:22.560 try to

01:13:22.880 separate

01:13:23.480 Jesus

01:13:24.100 from

01:13:24.860 God

01:13:25.160 himself

01:13:25.580 because

01:13:25.920 they

01:13:26.160 just

01:13:26.560 see

01:13:26.860 him

01:13:27.080 as

01:13:27.240 a

01:13:27.360 political

01:13:27.700 activist

01:13:28.320 not

01:13:29.400 the

01:13:29.760 God

01:13:30.080 who

01:13:30.240 is

01:13:30.420 in

01:13:30.600 charge

01:13:31.000 who

01:13:31.420 defines

01:13:31.900 all

01:13:32.120 things

01:13:32.460 who

01:13:32.660 is

01:13:32.880 just

01:13:33.420 as

01:13:33.580 much

01:13:33.760 in

01:13:33.880 the

01:13:33.980 Old

01:13:34.160 Testament

01:13:34.540 as

01:13:34.960 the

01:13:35.180 new

01:13:35.460 but

01:13:35.660 they

01:13:35.800 try

01:13:35.940 to

01:13:36.120 separate

01:13:36.840 him

01:13:37.220 and

01:13:37.440 lessen

01:13:37.840 him

01:13:38.100 and

01:13:38.320 use

01:13:38.780 him

01:13:39.100 as

01:13:39.380 a

01:13:39.540 political

01:13:39.920 activist

01:13:40.480 a

01:13:40.780 means

01:13:41.160 to

01:13:41.380 their

01:13:41.600 political

01:13:42.040 ends

01:13:42.500 and

01:13:43.020 that's

01:13:43.220 why

01:13:43.320 they

01:13:43.480 are

01:13:43.680 blasphemers

01:13:44.600 and

01:13:44.900 idolaters

01:13:45.560 because

01:13:46.020 they've

01:13:46.400 exchanged

01:13:46.740 the

01:13:46.920 God

01:13:47.060 of

01:13:47.180 scripture

01:13:47.440 for

01:13:47.680 the

01:13:47.820 God

01:13:48.080 of

01:13:48.740 self

01:13:49.040 and

01:13:49.240 I

01:13:49.380 just

01:13:49.560 want

01:13:49.740 to

01:13:49.840 note

01:13:50.140 he

01:13:50.360 claims

01:13:50.760 that

01:13:50.860 the

01:13:50.960 religious

01:13:51.240 right

01:13:51.500 has

01:13:51.680 made

01:13:51.840 abortion

01:13:52.240 and

01:13:52.460 homosexuality

01:13:53.340 the

01:13:53.800 two

01:13:53.980 biggest

01:13:54.240 issues

01:13:54.600 no

01:13:54.880 the

01:13:55.460 left

01:13:55.680 has

01:13:55.860 made

01:13:56.100 abortion

01:13:56.540 and

01:13:56.720 homosexuality

01:13:57.560 and

01:13:57.760 transgenderism

01:13:58.580 their

01:13:59.140 biggest

01:13:59.460 issues

01:14:00.000 these

01:14:01.860 are

01:14:02.000 their

01:14:02.160 calling

01:14:02.500 cards

01:14:02.800 this

01:14:03.060 is

01:14:03.180 what

01:14:03.340 they

01:14:03.500 run

01:14:03.940 on

01:14:04.780 this

01:14:05.420 is

01:14:05.580 what

01:14:05.800 they

01:14:06.100 celebrate

01:14:06.880 I

01:14:07.100 heard

01:14:07.280 a

01:14:07.420 pastor

01:14:07.700 during

01:14:08.000 the

01:14:08.180 election

01:14:08.520 who

01:14:08.760 tried

01:14:09.040 to

01:14:09.260 play

01:14:09.480 both

01:14:09.720 sides

01:14:10.040 of

01:14:10.380 the

01:14:10.920 issue

01:14:11.200 he

01:14:11.460 said

01:14:12.420 that

01:14:12.760 you know

01:14:13.380 I

01:14:13.820 don't

01:14:14.380 like

01:14:14.680 that

01:14:15.020 Republicans

01:14:15.540 didn't

01:14:15.820 have

01:14:15.960 abortion

01:14:16.320 as a

01:14:16.720 part

01:14:16.860 of

01:14:16.980 their

01:14:17.100 platform

01:14:17.600 you know

01:14:18.760 pre

01:14:19.120 mid

01:14:19.780 1970s

01:14:20.600 that

01:14:20.740 means

01:14:20.920 they're

01:14:21.120 using

01:14:21.500 Christians

01:14:22.000 abortion

01:14:22.940 wasn't

01:14:23.240 part

01:14:23.500 of

01:14:23.760 their

01:14:23.960 platform

01:14:24.680 pre

01:14:25.140 mid

01:14:26.060 1970s

01:14:27.080 because

01:14:27.680 Roe

01:14:28.120 V.

01:14:28.400 Wade

01:14:28.640 happened

01:14:29.080 in

01:14:29.320 1972

01:14:30.280 so

01:14:31.360 it

01:14:31.540 wasn't

01:14:33.180 issue

01:14:33.400 until

01:14:33.700 Democrats

01:14:34.320 progressives

01:14:35.000 made it

01:14:35.540 a

01:14:35.660 political

01:14:36.040 issue

01:14:36.540 and

01:14:37.000 pushed

01:14:37.300 so

01:14:37.700 hard

01:14:38.120 through

01:14:38.380 lies

01:14:38.880 through

01:14:39.120 propaganda

01:14:39.720 to

01:14:40.040 make

01:14:40.740 abortion

01:14:41.320 seem

01:14:41.800 normal

01:14:42.220 and

01:14:42.440 good

01:14:42.680 they've

01:14:43.180 done

01:14:43.300 the

01:14:43.500 same

01:14:43.800 thing

01:14:44.120 with

01:14:44.320 homosexuality

01:14:45.280 okay

01:14:45.900 I mean

01:14:46.500 Obergefell

01:14:47.360 is like

01:14:47.680 the mirror

01:14:48.060 image

01:14:48.640 of

01:14:49.140 Roe

01:14:49.680 v.

01:14:49.820 Wade

01:14:49.920 okay

01:14:50.120 it

01:14:50.260 was

01:14:50.400 progressives

01:14:51.300 who

01:14:51.460 made

01:14:51.940 this

01:14:52.240 their

01:14:52.480 calling

01:14:52.860 card

01:14:53.180 first

01:14:53.680 and

01:14:54.240 maybe

01:14:54.580 Christians

01:14:55.040 should

01:14:55.240 have

01:14:55.360 been

01:14:55.520 better

01:14:55.940 at

01:14:56.120 being

01:14:56.320 proactive

01:14:56.900 instead

01:14:57.240 of

01:14:57.420 reactive

01:14:58.000 against

01:14:58.400 these

01:14:58.660 things

01:14:58.940 but

01:14:59.140 it

01:14:59.280 is

01:15:03.180 comes

01:15:03.420 down

01:15:03.800 to

01:15:04.500 this

01:15:04.860 and

01:15:05.100 this

01:15:05.260 is

01:15:05.360 the

01:15:05.500 last

01:15:05.800 one

01:15:06.020 Tallarico

01:15:06.500 believes

01:15:07.020 that

01:15:07.740 we

01:15:08.480 should

01:15:08.780 trust

01:15:09.320 ourselves

01:15:10.180 and

01:15:11.120 here

01:15:11.420 is

01:15:11.920 SOT

01:15:12.280 10

01:15:12.520 if

01:15:13.060 you

01:15:13.200 don't

01:15:13.620 empower

01:15:14.340 your

01:15:15.340 congregation

01:15:15.880 or

01:15:17.080 someone

01:15:17.340 who

01:15:17.500 is

01:15:17.640 seeking

01:15:17.880 answers

01:15:18.300 to

01:15:18.760 check

01:15:19.740 everything

01:15:20.140 based

01:15:20.460 on

01:15:20.640 their

01:15:20.820 experience

01:15:21.700 and

01:15:22.780 use

01:15:23.060 that

01:15:23.340 as

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01:15:27.520 people

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01:15:28.860 that

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01:15:29.340 guy

01:15:29.620 right

01:15:30.140 which

01:15:30.700 is way

01:15:30.940 too much

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01:15:31.680 one

01:15:31.940 person

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01:15:33.720 right

01:15:33.940 it has

01:15:34.520 to be

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01:15:35.560 to use

01:15:35.980 your own

01:15:36.300 life

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01:15:37.500 way

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01:15:37.780 saying

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01:15:41.620 this

01:15:42.140 ring

01:15:42.640 true

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01:15:43.200 everything

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01:15:47.280 some

01:15:47.500 ways

01:15:47.820 okay

01:15:50.060 Jeremiah

01:15:50.720 79

01:15:51.520 the

01:15:52.800 heart

01:15:53.160 is

01:15:53.740 deceitful

01:15:55.000 above

01:15:55.180 all

01:15:55.440 things

01:15:55.760 and

01:15:56.000 desperately

01:15:56.400 sick

01:15:56.980 who

01:15:57.520 can

01:15:57.860 understand

01:15:58.700 it

01:15:59.360 the

01:15:59.720 heart

01:15:59.980 is

01:16:00.300 deceitful

01:16:01.180 and

01:16:01.980 desperately

01:16:02.600 sick

01:16:03.720 I seem

01:16:04.440 to remember

01:16:04.820 a passage

01:16:05.700 about

01:16:06.580 everyone

01:16:07.180 doing

01:16:07.640 what is

01:16:08.040 right

01:16:08.340 in their

01:16:08.820 own

01:16:09.300 eyes

01:16:09.900 let's

01:16:10.380 see

01:16:10.640 this is

01:16:12.280 judges

01:16:12.620 21 25

01:16:13.760 and

01:16:14.520 those days

01:16:15.100 there was

01:16:15.420 no king

01:16:16.080 in Israel

01:16:16.600 everyone

01:16:17.260 did what

01:16:17.980 was right

01:16:18.740 in his

01:16:19.260 own

01:16:19.680 eyes

01:16:20.180 that led

01:16:20.700 to chaos

01:16:21.480 and destruction

01:16:22.700 and a curse

01:16:24.000 for the people

01:16:24.780 and the same

01:16:25.600 principle

01:16:26.280 is true

01:16:27.140 today

01:16:27.760 God

01:16:28.540 God is

01:16:28.700 the source

01:16:29.100 of truth

01:16:29.680 he is

01:16:30.100 the source

01:16:30.680 of righteousness

01:16:31.380 he is

01:16:31.980 the source

01:16:32.460 of love

01:16:33.120 we are

01:16:33.880 called

01:16:34.260 to agree

01:16:35.040 with him

01:16:35.640 in all

01:16:36.800 of our

01:16:37.160 lives

01:16:37.600 public

01:16:38.000 and private

01:16:38.820 personal

01:16:39.480 and political

01:16:40.720 and professional

01:16:42.360 progressives

01:16:43.460 although they're

01:16:44.100 deceptive

01:16:44.720 and it

01:16:44.960 are right

01:16:45.440 about

01:16:45.840 one thing

01:16:46.700 you cannot

01:16:47.660 separate

01:16:48.400 religion

01:16:49.080 from

01:16:49.520 politics

01:16:50.200 all of

01:16:51.080 our laws

01:16:51.700 come from

01:16:52.580 a worldview

01:16:53.620 all of

01:16:54.460 our laws

01:16:55.040 come from

01:16:55.800 some kind

01:16:56.520 of moral

01:16:57.000 belief

01:16:57.440 the only

01:16:58.240 question

01:16:58.820 is

01:16:59.160 which

01:16:59.520 one

01:16:59.880 so

01:17:00.660 Christian

01:17:01.160 do not

01:17:02.040 be

01:17:02.240 manipulated

01:17:02.920 do not

01:17:03.820 be

01:17:04.080 discouraged

01:17:04.680 to separate

01:17:05.560 what you

01:17:06.140 know

01:17:06.500 to be

01:17:06.900 true

01:17:07.260 about

01:17:07.760 God

01:17:08.140 from

01:17:08.480 your

01:17:08.700 worldview

01:17:09.160 and

01:17:09.760 how

01:17:10.060 you

01:17:10.280 operate

01:17:10.880 in

01:17:11.180 the

01:17:11.340 world

01:17:11.740 progressives

01:17:12.740 certainly

01:17:13.260 are

01:17:13.740 not

01:17:14.380 all right

01:17:14.960 we'll be

01:17:15.260 back here

01:17:15.620 Friday

01:17:26.520 you

01:17:27.500 to

01:17:46.000 you

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - July 23, 2025

Ep 1221 ｜ Rebutting 'Progressive Christian' James Talarico’s Bad Theology

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