Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1228 ｜ She Helped AOC Win. Now She’s Exposing Zohran Mamdani & Climate Activism ｜ Lucy Biggers

00:00:00.480 Lucy Biggers was a climate change activist and influencer for the progressive outlet Now This.

00:00:08.060 She even helped produce a video that helped AOC win her first election in 2018.

00:00:14.960 But after the events of 2020, after getting married and starting a family,

00:00:20.480 her entire mentality about politics and specifically climate change has changed fundamentally.

00:00:27.120 She is here today to talk about her transformation and the myths that are propagated by the climate movement and by the socialists of our day.

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00:02:39.520 Yes, you wrote an article, and I saw the article, and I just love hearing about people changing their mind and everything that went into that.

00:02:47.920 Before we get into that transformative season of your life, can we go back to how you became a climate influencer?

00:02:54.000 Yeah, so I have worked in the news since I graduated college in 2012.

00:03:00.000 I was at a local news station in Mississippi right out of college, and then I moved to New York, and I found myself at this really cool progressive news startup called Now This News.

00:03:09.720 And it was the height of sort of Bernie mania.

00:03:14.200 Yeah.

00:03:14.440 And coming off of, you know, the Obama years, I guess I was just sort of primed to fall into that progressive mindset.

00:03:22.180 It was sort of just the default in my newsroom.

00:03:25.660 And I, you know, coming from, you know, a small town in Mississippi where I had worked, it was so cool to have all these young people that were my age from, you know, different racial backgrounds and really interesting people.

00:03:37.340 And the only thing that wasn't diverse about us was our mindsets about politics.

00:03:42.500 So it was just an easy thing to fall into and basically went from, like, being a Bernie bro girl to being one of the first people to ever interview AOC when she was coming up in New York.

00:03:55.080 And so I have been part of the movement in those 20 teen years where I was really emerging.

00:04:00.880 And then that, my beat when I was at Now This became covering the climate movement.

00:04:05.640 And I say climate influencer because I was really an activist in a newsroom covering it, like, sort of like a megaphone for the climate movement.

00:04:13.740 I didn't really look at my coverage very critically.

00:04:19.140 And so over those, like, it's 2015 to 2021 was my time there.

00:04:23.220 And that's really where I was, like, very, very left just based on working in a very progressive, like, newsroom.

00:04:28.200 Yeah.

00:04:29.600 I think it was just, like, an easy thing to fall into.

00:04:32.100 So you say you fell into it.

00:04:33.860 Yeah.

00:04:34.040 Does that mean that you were not raised progressive?

00:04:36.900 Yeah.

00:04:37.200 So I grew up in Connecticut.

00:04:38.380 My parents were, like, Bush Republicans, I guess.

00:04:41.400 I think I was in the Young Republicans Club in high school, actually.

00:04:44.140 Okay.

00:04:44.560 But, you know, you kind of grew up.

00:04:45.640 I wasn't examining my beliefs then, you know.

00:04:47.760 So you just kind of, or whatever.

00:04:49.160 And then I think for me what happened was that at the same time that I was becoming left,

00:04:57.720 it was this oppressor versus oppressed mindset that we talk about a lot now where, like,

00:05:02.040 it was, like, oh, if you're white privileged, like, you're an oppressor.

00:05:05.120 Like, that was sort of, like, a theme in the newsroom.

00:05:08.420 Do you think that you started learning that in college?

00:05:10.880 No, I didn't because I was after that.

00:05:12.340 I feel like in 2015 is when it took off, and I was already in this newsroom.

00:05:16.340 And so I've described this before.

00:05:18.420 It's, like, it started off, we all wanted free college and free health care and, like,

00:05:22.540 less inequality.

00:05:23.300 And then all of a sudden, a few years in, it was like, oh, well, if you're white, you 0.89

00:05:27.680 should not speak because you are an oppressor. 0.97

00:05:30.860 You don't realize that you're racist. 0.69

00:05:32.300 And so everything you're saying is going to come off as racist.

00:05:34.540 So that ideology, as a young person who doesn't have a good foundation of what I actually

00:05:40.140 believe, just kind of going along to get along, if people are telling me, like, I'm secretly

00:05:43.900 racist and, like, I should just be quiet, I'm obviously going to do that because I want

00:05:47.740 to be a good person and I respect my colleagues and their perspectives.

00:05:51.120 And there is something to be said for listening to people of different backgrounds and honoring

00:05:56.700 their point of view.

00:05:57.420 I think that's really healthy.

00:05:58.500 But what happened where I was working was it took it to, like, a more negative level.

00:06:03.940 And so basically after working there for six years, it was sort of like I had no idea

00:06:09.060 what I actually believe because I spent six years just censoring myself to get approval

00:06:12.980 from the group.

00:06:13.920 And it manifested in just how I covered the climate change movement, not very critically

00:06:18.760 or all these different, you know, protests at the time and social justice stuff.

00:06:23.240 It was sort of just the beginning of what we kind of saw peak in 2020.

00:06:26.320 But I was almost at this at the beginning lines of it because I worked in a very liberal newsroom

00:06:30.980 in the 20 teens.

00:06:32.300 I almost saw it like first, I guess.

00:06:34.200 And yeah, just not having that internal belief structure.

00:06:38.360 And like now that I have kids, I'm like, oh, my God, I have to like really inoculate

00:06:41.760 them against this because it's so easy to fall into this like empathy trap, which I was reading

00:06:46.700 your book on the way here.

00:06:47.660 And you talk about this a lot where it's like well-meaning people who have big hearts can

00:06:52.240 very easily become susceptible to stuff that doesn't really want the best for society.

00:06:56.900 How did you start covering climate change?

00:06:59.560 Was that something that you were genuinely interested in or was now this like, oh, like

00:07:04.400 you're a cute young girl in the newsroom.

00:07:06.400 We need someone to cover this.

00:07:07.880 So here you go.

00:07:08.800 It was actually something I was genuinely interested in.

00:07:11.880 And I love like positive stories.

00:07:13.860 And I think how it started was covering, you know, the vegetable startup that's selling you

00:07:18.860 bruised fruit to save it because it would otherwise go in the trash or like a reusable cup

00:07:23.300 brand or whatever sort of positive little things.

00:07:26.080 And then covering ocean plastic pollution, which we all know about now is a big issue.

00:07:30.780 I was covering that in 2015 and then it was covering Standing Rock.

00:07:34.180 And basically, you know, I was really, really online.

00:07:37.500 I think a lot like now this is like so taken for granted, but you have to think about the

00:07:41.140 20 teens like we didn't really know what the algorithms were doing to our minds.

00:07:44.540 And so I was online and how we published all of our content was through Facebook, through

00:07:50.100 the Facebook newsfeed and videos.

00:07:52.400 And so I was not only creating content, I was consuming content.

00:07:56.060 And that was just spinning up my algorithm.

00:07:58.340 And then it became more about protesting and Standing Rock and going there.

00:08:03.600 Sorry.

00:08:04.380 And what Standing Rock?

00:08:05.880 So Standing Rock was a big protest in 2016 against the Dakota Access Pipeline in North Dakota.

00:08:11.360 Oh, OK.

00:08:12.100 Now I'm remembering this.

00:08:13.880 I can't tell what's like household like words or not.

00:08:17.180 Like, I don't know.

00:08:18.120 I say it as if everyone knows, but that was a big protest that happened right between when

00:08:24.400 Trump got elected, but Obama was still president.

00:08:29.240 Yes.

00:08:29.440 It was December of 2016.

00:08:32.660 16.

00:08:33.120 Yes.

00:08:33.940 So I covered that for now this and the videos that I made of that protest for like six months

00:08:39.740 during 2016 got like tens of millions of views because we were just really ahead of what we

00:08:46.320 now take for granted, which is like virality and really short clips, subtitles, like really

00:08:51.840 to the point.

00:08:52.700 Yeah.

00:08:52.880 You don't really get the whole story.

00:08:54.200 Like we know about it now, but at the time it was very new.

00:08:57.520 Right.

00:08:57.860 And I kind of was just following my interests and also the algorithm was then feeding it

00:09:02.380 back to me.

00:09:03.220 Yeah.

00:09:03.480 OK, that was the Dakota Access Pipeline and all of the protests.

00:09:08.200 I remember there being some conservative coverage of the aftermath of that, that it

00:09:13.600 looked like the protesters who were like, this is sacred land, Native Americans trying 1.00

00:09:18.980 to say we've got to protect this, that there was a bunch of trash. 0.98

00:09:23.040 Right. 0.63

00:09:23.840 Did you see that at the time?

00:09:25.640 Did that ever give you pause of like, hmm, is this is in good faith as I make it seem like

00:09:31.920 it is?

00:09:32.380 You hit the nail on the head because actually my first piece that I wrote at the Free Press,

00:09:36.900 because I'm not an editorial at the Free Press, I run the social media.

00:09:39.780 But if you have an idea, you can like get it published.

00:09:42.740 So my first piece I ever pitched was like I covered Standing Rock, I helped it go viral

00:09:47.380 and now I regret it.

00:09:48.960 And the kicker of that article at the end is when I got home from Standing Rock and I saw

00:09:54.240 a video of the trash and I thought, should I make this video for our audience and cover

00:09:58.820 that the trash was left behind?

00:10:00.160 And I decided not to do it because I didn't want to sully the positive narrative that I

00:10:05.240 had put on to the movement.

00:10:08.240 And ultimately, I think it cost the town.

00:10:11.920 It was 48 million.

00:10:13.200 I mix up the numbers.

00:10:14.300 It was, I think, 48 million pounds of trash that cost the town like a million dollars to

00:10:18.180 clean up or I don't know.

00:10:19.660 Don't quote me on that.

00:10:21.120 I'm like, which way is it? 1.00

00:10:22.320 But it was a lot of trash. 1.00

00:10:23.160 It's a lot of trash and a lot of money. 1.00

00:10:25.260 And it was hypocritical. 0.99

00:10:26.540 And like, I think that is what I call out now where, you know, I have now kind of come 0.66

00:10:32.220 out of the ideological closet, you could say, in the last few months calling out the climate

00:10:36.380 movement.

00:10:37.060 And that was like the first seed that was planted, although I did not think about it

00:10:41.020 really critically for years and really acknowledge it, that the climate movement doesn't really

00:10:46.300 care about the environment.

00:10:48.320 They like to protest and they really hate human industry, you know, civilization.

00:10:53.660 They hate the West.

00:10:54.500 They hate America.

00:10:55.060 And it's really a protesting movement more than an environmental movement.

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00:13:00.820 So you are covering that.

00:13:03.080 You're going viral.

00:13:04.700 I'm sure that the affirmation that comes from going viral kind of validates your belief system

00:13:09.720 as well.

00:13:10.520 You said this was around 2016.

00:13:13.960 What was the culture like at Now This?

00:13:16.880 Obviously, it was progressive, but was there a feeling that even if I do have a question,

00:13:22.680 if someone has a different idea or a different perspective, that they're not allowed to speak

00:13:27.300 up?

00:13:27.620 What was it like?

00:13:28.960 So I can only speak from my experience and I feel like I am emotionally intelligent.

00:13:34.080 So I'm reading the room and trying to just fit in with the group.

00:13:37.420 And on top of that, we had Slack, which, you know, is like a messaging service that everybody

00:13:41.680 uses in the office.

00:13:42.580 And I think that really made it worse because you could see what everybody believed by like

00:13:47.720 the memes that they're sharing or the people who someone's getting canceled on Twitter

00:13:51.540 that week and it's getting they're getting, you know, put up in our Slack channel and dragged

00:13:55.880 by everyone in the newsroom.

00:13:56.860 And you're going, oh, OK, so now saying that thing is not allowed now thinking this is not

00:14:01.040 allowed.

00:14:01.480 So it's not like it was over your head and saying, don't act this way like it was not

00:14:06.040 like and I was friends with all my friends.

00:14:07.500 It was just sort of a slow spiral of silence where I stopped listening to my own internal

00:14:12.400 critical thinking voice and my authentic opinions and started putting the beliefs of the group

00:14:17.800 ahead of myself to fit in with the group.

00:14:20.620 Yeah.

00:14:21.160 OK, let's play this clip so people can see you in action when you were on NowThis discussing

00:14:26.940 climate change.

00:14:27.820 No, it's sweet.

00:14:29.080 There's nothing wrong with it.

00:14:30.320 You did a good job.

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00:14:32.140 Sometimes I feel overwhelmed by climate change.

00:14:36.940 But instead of being hopeless, I'm going to be proactive and figure out how I can live

00:14:41.320 more sustainably.

00:14:42.420 From single use plastic.

00:14:43.700 I've committed to give up single use plastic for the entire month.

00:14:46.920 I've got my sandwiches, no plastic involved.

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00:14:50.860 I'm on a mission to find out how my old food gets turned into compost.

00:14:55.040 To clothing, recycling and more.

00:14:56.740 I'm excited to explore how to live a more responsible life.

00:15:00.100 OK, so this is 2019.

00:15:02.080 And I see what you mean that this is that clip is not political necessarily.

00:15:06.560 You're trying to make this into a positive story.

00:15:08.840 So you were there for a while as someone who was on this beat, even after you covered that

00:15:14.460 protest in 2016.

00:15:15.660 Yeah, so that protest in 2016 really kicked off this becoming my beat.

00:15:20.360 And again, my personality is I'm very positive and I'm always looking for like a positive

00:15:25.700 angle.

00:15:26.100 So like my series was positive, but but the like mainstream climate movement at that

00:15:30.900 time and the culture, you know, the social media groups I was interacting with and stuff

00:15:35.760 were becoming very politicized.

00:15:37.520 But I sort of carved out a nonpolitical space within the movement, if that makes sense, because

00:15:43.400 that just felt the most authentic to me.

00:15:45.600 But what was what I realized later is I didn't cover all these topics the most honestly.

00:15:51.760 For example, just like single use plastic focusing on, you know, Upper East Siders of Manhattan not

00:15:57.720 using a straw isn't really as important as getting, you know, waste infrastructure in places

00:16:02.280 like Guatemala and just sort of misplacing where the solutions could actually come from and

00:16:08.940 do it and bringing it back onto the individual in the West where we have good waste infrastructure

00:16:13.260 and putting it on us to like solve all of climate change because we have sort of some guilt just

00:16:18.440 by living the modern life that we have.

00:16:20.840 So that was sort of the underlying perspective or I guess like motivation was like I have the

00:16:25.540 skills.

00:16:25.940 I live this modern life.

00:16:27.420 So I have to make content that sort of atones for it.

00:16:30.180 Yeah, that's so interesting.

00:16:32.160 Did you have climate anxiety during this time?

00:16:34.720 Like you say that you were positive, but did you believe this idea that the world is going

00:16:39.460 to end in 10 years that, you know, Greta Thunberg and other people have.

00:16:43.660 Yes.

00:16:44.240 Have propagated.

00:16:45.400 I definitely had that.

00:16:47.180 I think it would like flare up during different times.

00:16:49.400 You know, you'd see a wildfire or a hurricane and you'd get really scared and go, oh God,

00:16:54.120 this is happening, you know, or different films would come out like Leonardo DiCaprio

00:16:57.120 had a film in 2015, like before the flood, which now I feel like was just a projection

00:17:01.720 from him, but it was really scary, you know, and watching that and just being like, oh God,

00:17:06.320 like we really have 10 years left, but obviously to function in the world, you're not going

00:17:09.900 to be anxious every single second of the day.

00:17:12.620 But like my mental like landscape was like I have 10 years and I think at one point probably

00:17:18.100 my earlier 20s being like, well, I can't have kids, you know, or just like feeling guilty

00:17:21.740 of like, well, I got married during this time.

00:17:23.440 Like, what would my wedding be like?

00:17:24.640 Can I have like a wedding because it's consumption and just putting everything through this lens

00:17:29.200 of a lot of guilt for just basically living, you know, a life in America in 20, in the

00:17:33.880 20 teens.

00:17:34.700 Yeah.

00:17:34.900 Um, it was just really, um, a drag on my like energy, I guess, as a person.

00:17:41.800 And I think one of the criticisms I get now is like, oh, well, you just gave up your anxiety

00:17:46.040 is so bad that you just don't care anymore.

00:17:47.700 And I'm like, no, that's not the thing is I think we should always protect the environment.

00:17:52.140 And I think that climate change is happening to some degree and we can adapt to it.

00:17:57.080 But right now, the way the movement pushes its plans of, you know, just like covering

00:18:02.720 the, the countryside and windmills or all these things are kind of distractions away

00:18:06.840 from the things that we could actually really make an impact on, whether it's cleaning up

00:18:10.700 litter or adaptability to climate change, et cetera.

00:18:13.140 So I guess it's important for me to say, like, I still really do care about the environment,

00:18:17.760 but it's more maybe like in a conservation way than what I see the climate movement pushing

00:18:22.120 now, which makes no sense.

00:18:24.000 Yeah, I've learned a lot about just the, the other side of what looks like trying to 1.00

00:18:30.000 protect the environment, like the windmills that you talked about.

00:18:33.100 It takes fossil fuels to create those.

00:18:35.180 Not that I think fossil fuels are bad, but that's something that climate activists say,

00:18:38.660 but it takes fossil fuels to build them.

00:18:40.780 And then there's really no way to discard them.

00:18:43.540 It's not like they're biodegradable.

00:18:45.220 They just enter into these landfills. 0.93

00:18:47.060 And by the way, we're relying on China to create these windmills, import them over here.

00:18:52.040 Also, they're bad for the air and for the birds and like so many things.

00:18:56.140 And I feel like so many proposed solutions that come from the progressive side when it

00:19:00.640 comes to climate change actually just make things, makes things worse and makes us devolve

00:19:06.740 as a civilization without a big upside for the environment, which is strange because I assume

00:19:12.440 that a lot of people in the movement are similar to you and that they really cared.

00:19:16.520 They really do care.

00:19:17.400 And they really do want to help the earth in all of that.

00:19:20.620 And yet they're not open to other capitalistic free market creative solutions to actually

00:19:28.540 helping the earth.

00:19:29.660 Yeah, they have sort of sacred held beliefs and it's like wind and solar are perfect.

00:19:34.160 They even vilify nuclear.

00:19:36.180 They fight nuclear plants when I think that that's a really promising technology.

00:19:39.840 And it's so frustrating to see a movement that directs all of its energy and its capital and

00:19:46.100 its attention towards solutions that don't work.

00:19:47.960 And like you're saying, have huge environmental impacts versus all the things that you just

00:19:52.100 said as well.

00:19:52.600 Like, actually, how can capitalism solve this or how can we get creative?

00:19:55.720 Like what actually will solve the problem?

00:19:57.120 That's what I'm really interested in.

00:19:58.500 And that's also just why I had to speak out because I was like, I'm not going to be on

00:20:02.040 my 89.

00:20:03.520 I'm not going to be 110 on my deathbed and thinking, you know, having regrets that I didn't

00:20:08.680 speak out because I was afraid of backlash.

00:20:10.280 I was like, I just have to start saying what I've observed and hopefully from that other

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00:21:13.840 Okay, let's get to the transformation moment for you or season for you.

00:21:18.020 So during this time, and I'll just kind of like go over this quickly, you produced a

00:21:23.140 video about AOC that AOC was in, and she was just kind of explaining her platform and

00:21:29.720 who she is.

00:21:30.720 And that now this video that you helped produce was used in her campaign.

00:21:35.240 I don't know if it went viral, but it circulated a lot at the time, and it basically helped

00:21:39.000 her win.

00:21:39.360 And I'm sure that was something that you were proud of, right?

00:21:41.540 Yes, definitely.

00:21:42.740 Yeah, so I met AOC in 2017, right before she won the primary in 2018, that June.

00:21:51.520 We're the same age.

00:21:52.760 We're the same class.

00:21:54.320 So we were in our late 20s, and I really was taking with her.

00:21:57.800 I think she's very charismatic, and she comes off very authentic to me.

00:22:01.560 And we hit it off at this small event that I was at that was for Democrats running to

00:22:06.340 take back the House after Trump had gotten elected.

00:22:08.260 And so, yeah, it was a no-brainer for me to cover her story for Now This, and I think

00:22:14.840 it got like 10 million views within like a week.

00:22:18.300 And so that was 2018.

00:22:19.940 And then, you know, COVID happened, 2020.

00:22:24.620 I started working from home, and then I had my first-

00:22:27.860 Still for Now This?

00:22:28.880 Yes.

00:22:29.320 I worked for Now This until 2021.

00:22:31.080 And when did you get married?

00:22:32.460 2019.

00:22:33.240 Okay.

00:22:33.880 Yeah, September 2019.

00:22:34.860 And I was still very much in it going into my wedding.

00:22:39.280 Like, my wedding was like sustainable.

00:22:40.580 I tried to like have less waist, which is nothing wrong with that.

00:22:42.600 Like, totally do that.

00:22:44.040 But I don't know.

00:22:44.860 I just always felt like it was a little bit out of alignment for me.

00:22:47.640 Like, I felt really like exhausted around the content that I would make.

00:22:50.620 It felt very forced.

00:22:52.840 Like, even like coming here today and talking, I'm like, oh, I'm just going to talk from my

00:22:56.760 authentic self.

00:22:57.400 It's energizing versus exhausting.

00:23:00.100 And when I would go on my trips, and I interviewed Greta Thunberg in Sweden and stuff, like, I

00:23:05.560 was so exhausted because it felt like fake.

00:23:09.060 And I couldn't fully go there and really say what I believed because I was still really in

00:23:13.360 this mindset of like, you have to act and talk a certain way.

00:23:16.680 And it was all kind of connected, whether it's the climate movement or sort of this ideology

00:23:20.260 that I had absorbed from my old job.

00:23:22.240 So, yeah, it just was like a very out of alignment.

00:23:27.260 Well, it's never enough.

00:23:28.740 Like, it seems like in the climate movement, like, it's never enough.

00:23:32.340 There's always more to do.

00:23:34.060 And the timeline of when the world is going to end keeps shifting.

00:23:38.240 And it's just a big weight on your shoulders.

00:23:40.800 One thing that I noticed about it, and I'm interested to know if this like played into

00:23:45.140 your shift at all, is it just feels very anti-human.

00:23:49.060 Anything that is good or more convenient for humans is automatically seen as bad.

00:23:56.360 And the population is a problem.

00:23:58.320 Like, that's what I see in the climate change movement a lot is like, the population is the

00:24:02.320 problem.

00:24:02.720 If we just had 90% fewer people, then life would be good.

00:24:07.280 And I'm like, well, that's a really sad and pessimistic mentality of the human race.

00:24:11.860 Yeah, I mean, I couldn't agree more.

00:24:13.120 And there's also this sort of, what's the word, fetishizing of ancient humans where

00:24:19.000 you're like, oh, the hunter gatherers.

00:24:21.400 And now-

00:24:21.960 The Native Americans were so peaceful.

00:24:23.260 Yeah.

00:24:23.640 It was peaceful scalping.

00:24:25.180 It was good.

00:24:26.160 Like, no, definitely a demonization of civilization.

00:24:29.580 Yeah, exactly.

00:24:30.460 And that was, again, like when I go back to saying like, I have a positive personality,

00:24:33.480 like my natural disposition is to be optimistic.

00:24:35.780 So that is where like the rubber started to hit the road.

00:24:38.500 Because I was like, my natural character is positive about the human condition.

00:24:43.600 Like, I like, and now I'm so happy to be like, I love civilization.

00:24:46.580 Like, I love capitalism.

00:24:48.720 But yeah, so it was really hard.

00:24:50.280 And I think it also took sort of a turn because when I covered it in 2016, there was a, there's

00:24:55.700 religious undertones here, but there was a poster that said, Standing Rock awakens the

00:24:59.340 world that I posed with.

00:25:01.040 And I felt really like positive, like I'm on the right side of history.

00:25:03.740 There was a Native American, you know, legend that you would, they would fight this black 1.00

00:25:10.300 snake after seven generations.

00:25:11.780 And then we were at the seventh generation.

00:25:13.280 There was all these symbolisms around religion.

00:25:16.020 So I was like, oh, I'm on the right side of history.

00:25:17.980 And then like over the years, it became what you're saying, where it was like, no climate

00:25:22.060 justice without justice.

00:25:23.240 And you're like, wait, what are we talking about?

00:25:24.720 Like, we've lost the plot.

00:25:25.680 Like, I thought we're trying to clean up pollution.

00:25:26.920 And now it's like, we've got to break down capitalism in America and like restructure society

00:25:32.360 from the ground up.

00:25:33.200 And I'm like, wait, I don't subscribe.

00:25:35.980 And then I just, I honestly just like, just kind of got, went quieter.

00:25:39.280 I stopped posting a lot, especially like over COVID and, and I just didn't say what I

00:25:44.500 believed and I kept quiet.

00:25:45.800 And I thought maybe I was going to keep quiet for my entire life because I didn't want to

00:25:49.540 get the backlash.

00:25:51.240 But like the internal frustrations and second guessings were growing and almost like I would

00:25:57.300 present one thing to my audience.

00:25:58.740 Now this is like 20 teens.

00:26:01.040 And then like, Oh, maybe over a glass of wine with like a trusted friend, I'd be like, well,

00:26:04.400 actually, you know, single use plastic has a lower carbon footprint than plastic.

00:26:08.300 You know, I just like, I knew that it was more complicated, but I was so afraid to wade

00:26:11.860 into it because of just the backlash from like the following I had built and, um, my coworkers

00:26:18.420 and the culture.

00:26:19.260 What was it about getting married that started to shift your mind even more?

00:26:25.020 So I think it was that time at home away from, so I got married September 2019 because COVID

00:26:31.820 was only six months later, even like going on my honeymoon and like feeling anxious, like

00:26:35.800 on my honeymoon, you know, like it's just like sort of starting to realize that my climate

00:26:39.320 perspective was interacting in a negative way with my like outside of work life where

00:26:44.360 I couldn't even like enjoy my honeymoon because I was like, Oh, I should be at the climate

00:26:47.560 protest that's happening right now instead of like in France on my honeymoon.

00:26:51.060 So there was that.

00:26:52.100 And then, um, going through COVID, it was so, there was two things that really started to

00:26:58.580 make me go, wait a minute, what's going on here?

00:27:01.380 One was the outrolling of PPE and all of a sudden you had plastic barriers between every

00:27:05.660 restaurant table and every office desk.

00:27:08.580 And you had people wearing disposable masks every single day and throwing them out.

00:27:11.880 And I'm like, I have been guilting myself about a plastic straw for the last five years.

00:27:15.880 And I've now used more plastic in a day than I ever have.

00:27:20.280 And also like, we're completely fine.

00:27:22.280 We can deal with it.

00:27:23.640 And in a lot of ways, I didn't know at the time and we maybe we'll never really know how

00:27:27.200 much these things were really helping, but I was like, it's saving lives.

00:27:29.520 So like plastic has a positive side to it.

00:27:32.260 And it kind of broke me out of my black and white thinking about plastic.

00:27:35.480 And then with the world shutting down and you know, they have these emissions charts that

00:27:40.560 are like up, up, up.

00:27:41.280 And it was like, went down by like 2% or whatever it was.

00:27:44.220 And I'm like, wait a minute, the world has been shut down now for weeks.

00:27:48.900 The entire world, we cannot go outside.

00:27:50.940 No one's flying.

00:27:51.700 And we're only limiting our carbon emissions by 5% or whatever it was.

00:27:56.200 What does the climate movement want from us?

00:27:58.180 Because ultimately to achieve climate net zero, whatever people throw around, we would

00:28:03.580 have to end civilization.

00:28:04.860 And I don't think that that's a good trade off.

00:28:07.040 Like I'd rather live with some climate change and adapt to it and have our modern lives and

00:28:11.480 modern conveniences, then shut down the world and live like in a cave, like caveman times.

00:28:15.920 Yeah.

00:28:16.300 So yeah, that was that.

00:28:17.240 And then obviously you have kids and I feel like it just totally foundationally changes.

00:28:21.400 You had my son in March of 2022 and I'm like, first of all, I'm going to be using single

00:28:25.880 use diapers.

00:28:26.540 I'm going to be single use wife. 0.88

00:28:27.520 So you kind of have to just be selfish because you're so exhausted.

00:28:29.700 And I don't want my son to absorb from me any pathologies around consumption as a modern

00:28:36.460 human.

00:28:36.860 I think it's sort of a weird, again, going back to this like religious undertones, it's

00:28:41.660 like this feeling of like original sin where it's like, oh, you were born in 2025 and like,

00:28:45.780 oh, you use single use. 0.98

00:28:46.920 I was just like, this is dumb. 0.96

00:28:48.560 I don't want him to feel this way. 0.96

00:28:49.840 So like, I need to let it go.

00:28:51.940 And I get it because people are now like, you just don't care.

00:28:54.140 And I'm like, no, I just think that it's fine.

00:28:55.920 Like we have the infrastructure to deal with this stuff.

00:28:57.900 Like it's okay to consume.

00:28:59.500 And I had this sort of zero sum fear based relationship to consumption that I like literally

00:29:05.640 thought it was world ending.

00:29:06.660 I would feel guilty every time I'd throw something out and all that.

00:29:09.080 And I was just like, I got to let this go.

00:29:10.520 Yeah.

00:29:11.080 So obviously you got over this fear of having children that you said that you had when you

00:29:15.720 were worried that the world was going to end.

00:29:18.480 What was that like?

00:29:19.840 I'm sure that your husband had something to do with that and saying, okay, like we're going

00:29:25.180 to have kids.

00:29:25.840 Yeah, I wouldn't say I was ever like adamantly like, I'm never going to have kids.

00:29:29.000 It was like more like moments where I would think about it and I would be anxious about

00:29:31.880 it.

00:29:31.980 I never like took a strong stance, but it was definitely like in my internal world, it would

00:29:36.100 be like a belief that I would have at any given time.

00:29:39.160 But I think my husband is not like political and like he doesn't, you know, care about this

00:29:45.340 type of stuff.

00:29:45.840 He's just more steady.

00:29:46.600 And so he's just a grounding force for me that like I'm like over here, like thinking

00:29:50.100 about every single thing and he's just like, it's good.

00:29:52.820 It's fine.

00:29:53.260 And, you know, I just think you just building your own life and like having sort of the

00:29:59.760 world that is your family is such a perspective giving thing where you realize like this is

00:30:07.480 your domain to input your values onto your kids and create the world that you want them

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00:31:33.440 Okay, this is kind of putting you on the spot, but I think that you can probably come

00:31:43.800 up with this answer easily.

00:31:45.180 If there is one thing that you could tell, say there's a conservative out there who doesn't

00:31:49.760 care about the environment at all, and they're like, whatever, everything that environmentalists

00:31:54.780 say is a total hoax, we shouldn't care, think about it at all.

00:31:57.380 My first question is, what would you tell them?

00:31:59.320 What is actually true about how we should steward the earth and the environment in a way that

00:32:03.780 is healthy?

00:32:04.660 And then my second question is, what would you tell the progressive climate change fanatic

00:32:09.980 to shake them out of their stupor?

00:32:12.200 So we'll start with, what is something true about the environment and how we can actually

00:32:18.240 care for it?

00:32:19.620 Yeah, I think the simplest thing, it's so basic, we've known this for decades, is honestly,

00:32:25.620 I think like litter, like it sounds so like, but it's like the Nancy Reagan, like I think

00:32:30.420 her campaign was like, don't litter or whatever. 1.00

00:32:33.340 I think just cleaning up after yourself, you know, leaving, like if you're going somewhere

00:32:38.440 into nature and never leaving anything behind, like I still really subscribe to those things

00:32:41.940 that's so basic.

00:32:44.120 And, you know, start there.

00:32:47.020 Like when it comes to like your consumption and stuff, I really do think that humans are so

00:32:51.660 industrious and so good at coming up with problem solving.

00:32:55.380 So I think we will have a fossil free future, but it will probably just be a new technology

00:32:59.900 that we don't even know about yet.

00:33:01.180 So I wouldn't worry about it.

00:33:02.540 And just, you know, live your best life.

00:33:04.000 Be grateful for what you have, that we have all these modern conveniences.

00:33:07.420 Yeah.

00:33:07.620 And for the other person, it's so tough.

00:33:11.180 And I was actually talking to someone yesterday and she was like, oh my gosh, I love your content.

00:33:16.500 I've lost a friend to the climate movement.

00:33:18.060 And they, she, this girl went to a college in Maine and just, it doesn't want to have 0.99

00:33:23.520 kids now, thinks that like in this, this really culty club movement that she was in, they suggest

00:33:28.500 like suicide, like it's like really bad.

00:33:31.220 So there are people out there who are really, really radicalized.

00:33:33.580 I don't think people really understand the mindset.

00:33:36.320 I was never that bad, but I think it goes back to perspective, historical perspective of

00:33:44.780 how grateful we should be.

00:33:46.280 Like human life used to be toil and short and you would die young because of just how

00:33:51.740 unsafe it was and difficult it was.

00:33:53.680 And now thanks to the technology of fossil fuels, we can have, you know, a beautiful set

00:33:58.960 like this and conversations like this under lights and technology.

00:34:02.180 And we live such amazing lives that Kings, even in the 1700s would not have lived as good

00:34:08.540 as us.

00:34:08.900 And so I think bringing in that perspective of, hey, we're not in late stage capitalism,

00:34:12.960 10 years away from dying, but look at these facts, look at how good we have it compared

00:34:17.460 to our ancestors.

00:34:18.680 Even for women, I think realizing in areas that don't have access to fossil fuels, five 1.00

00:34:25.260 hours a day could be spent collecting dung and wood to cook for your family.

00:34:29.520 Fuel collection is how they spend, like that's their job, 40 hours a week.

00:34:32.680 So just bringing in that and maybe shifting some of this guilt into gratitude, I think

00:34:39.100 goes so far and just having that perspective.

00:34:42.080 Yeah.

00:34:42.560 Yeah.

00:34:43.100 You mentioned the religious undertones and I see that so much that it really is almost

00:34:50.420 like a pagan religion.

00:34:51.920 It seems to me that those who are all in on climate change or trying to fight climate change,

00:34:57.880 like stewardship of creation.

00:35:00.360 That's what I would say that we are called to.

00:35:02.320 We are called to care for, you know, the world around us, treat it really good, leave

00:35:07.820 it better than we found it.

00:35:09.120 All of that.

00:35:10.160 Try not to waste.

00:35:11.340 I think that's probably just good, responsible living anyway, but it goes from stewardship to

00:35:17.220 worship.

00:35:17.920 And I think that when you have this mentality shift from, okay, I am a steward of the world

00:35:23.660 around me.

00:35:24.140 I'm going to care for it.

00:35:25.640 I'm going to do the best that I possibly can to cultivate it, to make it beautiful and good

00:35:29.620 and healthy and productive for my neighbors.

00:35:32.580 That's a human first mentality.

00:35:34.640 That is saying I am a caretaker of the world around me versus a worshiper of the world around

00:35:41.120 me in which basically you believe that you have to submit to all of the elements and

00:35:48.360 that the world and nature and animals are actually more important than humans.

00:35:52.480 And I don't know if you're a Christian, but it really goes all the way back to the very

00:35:56.660 beginning when God made Adam and Eve.

00:35:59.000 The first task that he gave Adam was to work.

00:36:02.880 He had to name the animals and he had to work the ground and to keep it.

00:36:06.840 God put Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden, not a jungle.

00:36:10.980 So a garden has to be tamed.

00:36:13.000 It has to be cultivated.

00:36:14.100 And Adam and Eve were given the responsibility to not only populate the earth.

00:36:19.380 So that's one thing against the climate movement today, but also to care for it and to work

00:36:25.100 it and to be in charge of it.

00:36:26.320 There's actually like a dominion authority aspect to it.

00:36:29.900 And I see the exact opposite thing when it comes to climate change. 0.91

00:36:34.240 Humans are bad.

00:36:35.400 We are a debit in that we take away from all things good, that civilization has been a net 0.96

00:36:41.180 negative for human beings and that we just need to let the elements of the world be untamed

00:36:48.320 and do as they will to us.

00:36:50.140 I mean, it really, it's like, it's paganism.

00:36:52.040 It's worshiping the creature rather than the creator.

00:36:55.980 I mean, I, everything that you're saying resonates with me so much.

00:36:58.580 And it's not like when I started making content, I am, I was raised Episcopalian, so I am religious,

00:37:02.940 but sort of in a cultural way.

00:37:06.100 But as I'm making this content more, like so many of the themes that you're mentioning resonate

00:37:10.240 with me so much, it's almost like a discovery.

00:37:12.040 Like as I was making more content on my TikTok and Instagram, I'm like, oh, here are these

00:37:16.220 themes.

00:37:16.640 And like you said, anti-human, like feeling guilty for just being alive.

00:37:21.220 Like that is one thing that like, why I feel, you know, you have your why's, like, why am

00:37:25.040 I making content?

00:37:26.280 Why am I speaking out?

00:37:27.040 And I'm like, I don't want people walking around feeling guilty for just being alive.

00:37:31.200 And, and, you know, and like, and like going back to this original sin where it's like,

00:37:34.400 no, like, it's okay.

00:37:35.360 Like we were born into this society and like you're saying, like, leave it better than

00:37:39.740 you found it.

00:37:40.500 Do your best.

00:37:41.440 And another thing to think about with the climate movement, which I think is such a good

00:37:44.280 point is that it, they diminish all of nature's beauty.

00:37:48.800 You know, we look at America, we have so many amazing blessings, all these national parks

00:37:52.460 that are just like so beautiful.

00:37:54.040 And I think the healthy way to look at it is like you're saying, being a steward, honoring

00:37:58.840 nature's beauty and like looking at it, whatever, the climate movement turns everything into

00:38:05.260 a carbon emission.

00:38:06.580 So it's no longer like, oh, look at this deer.

00:38:09.400 It's beautiful.

00:38:09.940 It grazes.

00:38:10.620 It travels this way.

00:38:11.640 It's, well, it's carbon emissions are this much, this many tons a year.

00:38:15.500 Wow.

00:38:15.900 And you see places in Europe where this has really taken hold more than here.

00:38:19.240 We're lucky that it's not as bad where they're culling deer.

00:38:23.260 They're culling reindeer.

00:38:24.020 They're culling cows, cattle from generations old farms because of their methane emissions,

00:38:30.740 not taking into account, oh, I don't know.

00:38:33.660 Maybe this land in Ireland has evolved alongside these cows.

00:38:36.900 This is a 10th generation farmland.

00:38:39.580 This is part of the Irish culture and heritage.

00:38:41.360 And it's so complex and so beautiful.

00:38:43.200 And the climate movement comes along and they're like, these are the emissions and you need to 0.98

00:38:46.960 kill about 100,000 of them.

00:38:48.660 And that truly happens in places not luckily not in the US as much. 0.86

00:38:52.520 But like the Dutch farmers that happened to them.

00:38:56.420 It's so awful.

00:38:57.660 And I agree with you so much.

00:38:59.580 It's like we've totally lost the plot and it's subverted all of like this goodwill of

00:39:03.940 wanting to help the environment.

00:39:04.940 And where we've landed is a really destructive movement that is anti-human and anti, like

00:39:11.420 anti the environment.

00:39:13.240 Yeah, it's so lost.

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00:40:28.980 You mentioned that when you were a climate activist or influencer, you focused more on,

00:40:35.040 you know, the rich people not using plastic straws than building infrastructure in places

00:40:39.580 like Puerto Rico or Guatemala to actually deal with the trash.

00:40:42.960 And it does seem like climate change is a very posh issue for elite people to use as

00:40:51.480 a vehicle for virtue or for morality.

00:40:54.340 And you really can just signal at it the way that Leonardo DiCaprio does, true virtue signal,

00:41:00.700 and say, like, look how good of a person I am.

00:41:04.340 You know, meanwhile, we will probably never come close to the carbon footprint that he

00:41:09.700 has created from all of the times he's flown around in his private jet, which is true of

00:41:14.000 all of these activists, by the way.

00:41:15.640 And also, I'm just like, if you're going to fly around in a private jet, just like own

00:41:18.600 it.

00:41:18.740 Like, I get a lot less annoyed at like the Jeff Bezos of the world and Lauren Sanchez.

00:41:22.740 I'm like, they're living it.

00:41:23.660 They're having a good time versus like Leo shows up at the wedding.

00:41:26.620 And I'm like, come on, you've been you've been lecturing us for years.

00:41:29.860 You should have gone over in a canoe and arrived.

00:41:32.520 Well, I also think it's so interesting.

00:41:34.060 We talk about this a lot.

00:41:35.720 And when I was writing for the Free Press about my Standing Rock article is that Greta Thunberg

00:41:41.240 now, who was a big climate activist, is now pro-Palestine activist.

00:41:46.120 I saw that.

00:41:46.780 And so it's-

00:41:47.600 Didn't she try to sail there or something?

00:41:48.800 She did. 0.97

00:41:49.560 It was ridiculous. 0.97

00:41:51.140 And she, it's an omni-cause, right? 0.97

00:41:53.380 It's just the anti-human, anti-civilization, anti-West mindset moved from climate in the

00:42:00.260 20-teens to now it's on to pro-Palestine. 0.54

00:42:02.740 And they have this weird fetishizing of Palestine where they're like, well, it would be sustainable 0.89

00:42:08.360 if Israel wasn't there. 0.90

00:42:11.700 Like, it makes no sense.

00:42:13.300 Like, it's truly like some crazy, like, pseudo-religious take on what the Palestinian people would be 1.00

00:42:18.600 like.

00:42:19.800 And in the same way that it was with the Native Americans would be like. 0.87

00:42:22.340 And so it's just this mindset's moving from one thing to the other.

00:42:25.180 I feel like climate's kind of moved out of vogue.

00:42:27.980 And also, I feel like if I had really come out at the height of it in 2018, I would have

00:42:31.900 had to be even braver than I am now because I think it would have been, like, really scary.

00:42:35.840 I think, like, the wave crested on climate a bit and I wasn't brave enough to go out earlier.

00:42:41.740 But now it's moved on to its new cause.

00:42:45.080 I'm so intrigued to see what the next thing will be.

00:42:47.540 Yeah.

00:42:48.000 I have this small anecdote.

00:42:50.100 So my husband and I, for our 10-year anniversary, we went to Hawaii and there is a culture, I

00:42:56.860 think the people who live in Hawaii can tell you this, among a lot of the natives there

00:43:01.140 of, like, anti-colonialist and even anti-white.

00:43:04.640 And the mentality is, you know, like, we've had this land, our generations have had this

00:43:08.960 land for so long.

00:43:10.900 You know, tourists came in, Americans came in, they made it a state, they changed our 1.00

00:43:16.560 culture, they made it, you know, commercialized in all of these things and hurt our environment.

00:43:20.920 And obviously, it's a very blue state, very progressive state and very pro-fighting climate

00:43:26.740 change through whatever government policy possible.

00:43:29.600 Well, there is this cliff outside of our resort that my husband and I were going to jump off

00:43:35.100 of.

00:43:35.380 We went there that morning, we were the only ones there.

00:43:38.080 We went back that afternoon and it was a public place and a bunch of locals were there.

00:43:44.260 And we were appalled that in the two hours between when we were there this morning and

00:43:48.980 no one was there, and when we were there that afternoon, when so many locals was there,

00:43:53.180 how trashed it was.

00:43:54.740 And like, my husband and I were so careful, like, we didn't want to leave anything, we didn't

00:43:59.160 want it to seem like we weren't taking care of the place around us because we're the tourists

00:44:03.840 that people don't like.

00:44:05.380 But there was soggy pizza, there was trash, there were cans.

00:44:09.780 I mean, everywhere.

00:44:11.800 And I'm not saying, oh, well, this is what everyone in Hawaii is like.

00:44:15.260 I just think it reminds me a lot of Standing Rock.

00:44:17.920 And we see this kind of thing a lot.

00:44:19.640 It's like, is it really a love for your land, a love for the environment, a love for your

00:44:25.200 culture, or is it just anti-civilization, anti-white people, anti-the oppressor who is

00:44:31.880 not really oppressing you?

00:44:33.580 Is it just progressive ideology and you're using the climate as a virtuous seeming excuse?

00:44:39.320 Yes.

00:44:39.760 I think you're 100% right.

00:44:42.120 And I think that the college educated, ironically, white person is the one, they are the ones

00:44:47.140 who are going to all this stuff and creating these movements, they're the ones who pushed

00:44:50.620 the Standing Rock thing.

00:44:52.120 There were some Native American activists who started it, but it really got taken on by

00:44:56.860 the college educated white elite that we see that now has moved down to pro-Palestine.

00:45:00.900 And so it's all virtue signaling and a weird, again, this myth of the noble savage.

00:45:06.500 It's so messed up to say, but it's all these college educated kids who are like, oh, my culture

00:45:12.000 is horrible, but this culture, I'm going to put you on a pedestal.

00:45:15.660 And it's actually really like degrading and looks down on the culture and it's not really 0.71

00:45:19.540 like respectful and sort of twisted.

00:45:21.180 Yeah.

00:45:21.440 But yeah, it's a lot of lost young people looking for meaning, I think.

00:45:25.320 Okay.

00:45:25.560 So you've weighed in on the Mamdani. 0.98

00:45:28.900 Is that how you pronounce his last name?

00:45:30.700 Zoran Mamdani.

00:45:31.880 Yes.

00:45:32.380 Okay.

00:45:32.680 So if people don't know, he is the Democratic mayoral candidate for New York City.

00:45:37.540 He is an out and out socialist.

00:45:39.640 And this is not us just deducing that he has said that he is a socialist.

00:45:43.600 He has advocated adamantly and persistently for defunding the police, but he won his primary

00:45:50.580 against Cuomo.

00:45:51.980 And so he will probably win because a Republican probably won't win the mayoral race in New

00:45:57.520 York City.

00:45:58.620 And Cuomo, I think maybe is still running.

00:46:00.520 Yeah.

00:46:00.840 But you've had some commentary on him.

00:46:02.760 So what do you think?

00:46:04.020 Yeah.

00:46:04.220 So I actually did a video from my car, you know, classic, you know, the front seat think

00:46:10.580 piece on an impulse right after he won.

00:46:14.140 And I just said, guys, I'm telling you, if I were 25, I would have loved Zoran Mamdani.

00:46:18.980 When I was 26, I loved AOC.

00:46:21.380 Yeah.

00:46:21.700 And then I just explained my anecdote on this, like they think really like hammers at home

00:46:25.540 is that these well-meaning leftist policies really are the road to hell is paved with

00:46:30.360 good intentions and end up creating the problem that they're trying to avoid.

00:46:34.180 And in New York, actually, it was a law that Cuomo signed into law in 2019.

00:46:38.880 It's called the Affordable Housing Act or something of 2019, where they capped the amount you could

00:46:44.200 raise rent on rent controlled apartments to just 2%.

00:46:47.720 And the idea, you know, the well-meaning Democrats in the state house are like, we've got to,

00:46:52.100 you know, these pesky landlords, they're so greedy, they're raising the rent on these

00:46:55.960 rent controlled apartments.

00:46:57.020 Problem is, these rent controlled apartments could be, have the same owner, same tenant

00:47:02.340 for since the 1970s, right?

00:47:04.160 So people are in these rent controlled apartments for 50 years, 40 years.

00:47:07.920 Yeah.

00:47:08.140 They don't really let the landlord in.

00:47:09.420 They completely, by the time someone's leaving apartment after 40 years, they're holes

00:47:13.420 basically, or not even that.

00:47:15.160 They just have all the old appliances.

00:47:17.020 You have to bring them up to code.

00:47:18.680 And the original rent from 1970 was $400.

00:47:22.320 Yeah.

00:47:22.580 So if you raise 2%, that would be in 2025, $408 on an apartment that needs $100,000 in renovations

00:47:29.960 to get it up to 2025 codes.

00:47:33.200 So what's happened is that now, since this law has been in effect now for five or six years,

00:47:37.300 there are tens of thousands of empty rent controlled apartments in New York City right now,

00:47:42.120 because the landlords cannot put $100,000 or $60,000 into an apartment to bring up to code

00:47:48.300 and only charge $400 a month.

00:47:50.280 Right.

00:47:50.780 So now we have this huge housing shortage in New York City, and everyone's blaming on

00:47:55.280 the left.

00:47:55.680 They're saying, the capitalists, these greedy landlords, and they're so living in projection

00:48:01.920 because a lot of these landlords are going to be, maybe they own a building.

00:48:05.560 They're first generation immigrants.

00:48:06.760 They own a building.

00:48:07.280 They own two buildings.

00:48:07.940 Yeah.

00:48:08.180 And when you hurt them with over-regulation, you know who comes in and buys up these apartments

00:48:13.360 is the Black Rocks, is the big capitalist bad guys that they're so afraid of.

00:48:19.180 And so I'm trying to explain to people, like, you guys, these leftist policies that are really

00:48:24.440 regulatory end up creating the monster that you don't want to have there, whether it's 0.97

00:48:28.840 the housing shortage or these big behemoth real estate businesses that you feel aren't connected

00:48:34.560 to the person and can abuse the system, which is a real problem.

00:48:37.080 Yeah.

00:48:37.700 And so, yeah, I just was like, you guys, road to hell is paved with good intentions.

00:48:40.680 Like, I promise you.

00:48:41.640 Like, and basically saying, like, we need less taxes.

00:48:43.920 We need less government in our life.

00:48:45.420 We need more room for innovation, for human flourishing, because individuals are the ones

00:48:50.100 who can create the capital that creates all the amazing things that we have here in the

00:48:54.360 U.S.

00:48:54.640 And when the government gets involved and over-regulates, you have this, you know, show

00:48:59.300 that we see in New York.

00:49:00.260 And luckily, New York, you know, it's such a big economy, and it's still under the weight

00:49:03.940 of all these bad policies still going.

00:49:05.860 But it's just so hard to see it.

00:49:08.260 Like, it's like a slow fall.

00:49:10.920 It's like a slow-moving car crash.

00:49:12.960 And like, I think he's going to win, because I think he has all the energy.

00:49:16.560 He has the right smile.

00:49:18.060 And he's a Nepo baby, to be clear. 1.00

00:49:20.080 You know that, right?

00:49:20.760 Right.

00:49:20.860 Like, he was just in Uganda for his wedding.

00:49:22.860 Yeah.

00:49:23.140 And so, you know, New York Post always has the best commentary.

00:49:25.880 And they're like, oh, yeah, he—oh, it actually was really sad.

00:49:30.880 Sorry, like, I'm not to make light of this, but there was a shooting in New York yesterday.

00:49:33.680 Yeah.

00:49:34.020 And he commented on it, and someone's like, wow, I'm really glad you're—after all your

00:49:37.420 years of defunding the police, and you're commenting behind armed guards in Uganda on

00:49:42.080 this devastation that happened.

00:49:43.360 Like, why don't you have social workers guarding your wedding? 1.00

00:49:45.860 Right. 1.00

00:49:46.120 Like, he's just such a hypocrite. 0.98

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00:50:39.220 He's talked about, you know, how difficult it is to be an immigrant and all of that stuff.

00:50:49.720 But both of his parents, extremely well-off, successful, elite, sophisticated circles of

00:50:56.600 American society that most of us will never get to enter.

00:51:00.140 That is where he comes from.

00:51:01.500 And I'm not even saying that's bad.

00:51:03.740 No, exactly.

00:51:04.240 You know, I'm saying own it.

00:51:06.660 Don't post a video of yourself eating like whatever it is with your hands, which was 0.92

00:51:12.200 disgusting, by the way.

00:51:13.940 So many reasons why that's wrong. 0.98

00:51:15.700 But to try to cosplay as an oppressed poor person.

00:51:18.960 It annoys me so much.

00:51:19.980 Come on.

00:51:20.840 And I think the thing is, I try to say this because people on my account, they're like,

00:51:24.820 you don't care anymore.

00:51:25.700 You've given up.

00:51:26.360 And I'm like, no, you don't understand.

00:51:27.500 I actually do care.

00:51:28.480 We all want the same things, right?

00:51:29.780 We want to see less inequality.

00:51:31.620 We want to see less poverty.

00:51:32.600 I want to see more people able to live the American dream and prosper and flourish and

00:51:37.200 follow their dreams.

00:51:38.680 I just think that the way we get there is different than what the snake oil salesman that's mom

00:51:44.060 Donnie is.

00:51:44.640 He's not.

00:51:45.160 He's selling a bill of goods that does not work.

00:51:46.760 And everywhere socialism is tried, it is a civilization ruining practice.

00:51:52.740 And talk to the people who are children of immigrants from Cuba, Venezuela, USSR.

00:51:57.180 This experiment goes all over the world and never ends well.

00:52:00.320 And I want people to be more successful in life.

00:52:04.080 And we realize that socialism is not the problem.

00:52:06.660 And there's like so much misunderstanding, I think, from the group thing that I left where

00:52:11.980 they project onto me like, well, you don't care because you're not pushing socialism.

00:52:14.940 And I'm like, no, I do care.

00:52:16.280 But socialism doesn't work.

00:52:17.740 It makes people's lives worse.

00:52:19.280 And so that's a huge another thing I'm trying to speak out and be like, guys, we all want

00:52:23.600 the same things.

00:52:24.400 Yeah.

00:52:24.580 But we're just thinking we get there a different way.

00:52:26.900 Yeah.

00:52:27.540 So what do you think that progressives like him and other progressives running for office

00:52:32.480 over the next few years, what do you think they're going to do with the climate change

00:52:36.500 issue?

00:52:37.240 Yeah.

00:52:37.400 Are they going to let go of it?

00:52:39.100 Is it has it officially crested and no one's going to talk about it?

00:52:41.960 Is it going to be another wave?

00:52:43.440 What do you think the future of that collision of socialism and climate change looks like?

00:52:47.920 That's a great question.

00:52:48.580 I looked at Mom Donnie's website with his policies and it's not very climate change

00:52:54.500 focused, which is honestly smart because working class people do not like climate change.

00:52:58.580 Like it is a very elite topic.

00:53:00.180 I think the only thing on his website about it was making schools green or something like

00:53:05.040 nothing that big.

00:53:06.260 So I think that it has crested.

00:53:07.880 Like I was a big like Green New Deal person. 0.67

00:53:09.800 Now I look back and I'm like, it made no sense.

00:53:12.340 Covered that a lot.

00:53:13.860 And that was a big thing.

00:53:15.640 And I think now people are realizing it's that creates an affordability crisis.

00:53:20.980 It's not really connecting with people.

00:53:22.900 And so the smart liberals that we're seeing, the AOCs and Mom Donnie's are going back to

00:53:28.280 the, you know, kitchen table issues and their ideas are very bad.

00:53:32.580 But but that's why they're getting success.

00:53:34.840 Like $30 minimum wage, like affordable groceries, like they figured out that the climate is not

00:53:40.840 selling.

00:53:41.360 Um, so I hope that it's passed, but I do think that the mindset we were discussing of

00:53:47.480 people feeling just guilty for being alive and having the shame and walking around feeling

00:53:52.040 horrible being a human.

00:53:53.160 I feel like that's so pervasive in our culture, even if it's not manifesting now in climate

00:53:58.080 movement, if that makes sense.

00:53:59.340 Yeah, that does make sense.

00:54:00.840 Okay.

00:54:01.060 If people want to read more from you and hear more about your commentary, where can they go?

00:54:06.000 Yeah.

00:54:06.140 So I work for the free press.

00:54:07.240 So our website is thefp.com.

00:54:09.420 I run the social medias there.

00:54:11.240 So if you ever message the social media on any of those accounts, it probably will be

00:54:15.320 me seeing it.

00:54:16.260 But then, um, my personal accounts on Instagram, I'm Lucy Biggers, TikTok, I'm Lucy Biggers.

00:54:21.240 The only thing I'm different on is Twitter slash X.

00:54:24.400 I'm LL Biggers, but all the content is basically the same.

00:54:27.540 Yeah.

00:54:27.900 I'm on Substack Notes.

00:54:29.000 Like you ought to be everywhere.

00:54:30.760 Yeah.

00:54:31.320 Got it.

00:54:31.780 Well, thank you so much, Lucy.

00:54:32.920 And I really appreciate you being so open about your transformation and how you've changed

00:54:37.140 your mind.

00:54:37.540 I think that alone will just help a lot of people think more critically about what they

00:54:41.760 believe.

00:54:42.160 So thank you so much.

00:54:43.380 Thank you for having me.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - August 08, 2025

Ep 1228 ｜ She Helped AOC Win. Now She’s Exposing Zohran Mamdani & Climate Activism ｜ Lucy Biggers

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