Ep 1228 ｜ She Helped AOC Win. Now She’s Exposing Zohran Mamdani & Climate Activism ｜ Lucy Biggers
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Lucy Biggers was a climate change activist and influencer for the progressive outlet Now This. She even helped produce a video that helped AOC win her first election in 2018. But after the events of 2020, after getting married and starting a family, her entire mentality about politics and climate change has changed fundamentally. She is here today to talk about her transformation and the myths that are propagated by the climate movement and the socialists of our day.
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Lucy Biggers was a climate change activist and influencer for the progressive outlet Now This.
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She even helped produce a video that helped AOC win her first election in 2018.
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But after the events of 2020, after getting married and starting a family,
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her entire mentality about politics and specifically climate change has changed fundamentally.
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She is here today to talk about her transformation and the myths that are propagated by the climate movement and by the socialists of our day.
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Yes, you wrote an article, and I saw the article, and I just love hearing about people changing their mind and everything that went into that.
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Before we get into that transformative season of your life, can we go back to how you became a climate influencer?
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Yeah, so I have worked in the news since I graduated college in 2012.
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I was at a local news station in Mississippi right out of college, and then I moved to New York, and I found myself at this really cool progressive news startup called Now This News.
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And coming off of, you know, the Obama years, I guess I was just sort of primed to fall into that progressive mindset.
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It was sort of just the default in my newsroom.
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And I, you know, coming from, you know, a small town in Mississippi where I had worked, it was so cool to have all these young people that were my age from, you know, different racial backgrounds and really interesting people.
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And the only thing that wasn't diverse about us was our mindsets about politics.
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So it was just an easy thing to fall into and basically went from, like, being a Bernie bro girl to being one of the first people to ever interview AOC when she was coming up in New York.
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And so I have been part of the movement in those 20 teen years where I was really emerging.
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And then that, my beat when I was at Now This became covering the climate movement.
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And I say climate influencer because I was really an activist in a newsroom covering it, like, sort of like a megaphone for the climate movement.
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I didn't really look at my coverage very critically.
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And so over those, like, it's 2015 to 2021 was my time there.
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And that's really where I was, like, very, very left just based on working in a very progressive, like, newsroom.
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I think it was just, like, an easy thing to fall into.
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Does that mean that you were not raised progressive?
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My parents were, like, Bush Republicans, I guess.
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I think I was in the Young Republicans Club in high school, actually.
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And then I think for me what happened was that at the same time that I was becoming left,
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it was this oppressor versus oppressed mindset that we talk about a lot now where, like,
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it was, like, oh, if you're white privileged, like, you're an oppressor.
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Like, that was sort of, like, a theme in the newsroom.
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Do you think that you started learning that in college?
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I feel like in 2015 is when it took off, and I was already in this newsroom.
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It's, like, it started off, we all wanted free college and free health care and, like,
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And then all of a sudden, a few years in, it was like, oh, well, if you're white, you
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And so everything you're saying is going to come off as racist.
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So that ideology, as a young person who doesn't have a good foundation of what I actually
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believe, just kind of going along to get along, if people are telling me, like, I'm secretly
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racist and, like, I should just be quiet, I'm obviously going to do that because I want
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to be a good person and I respect my colleagues and their perspectives.
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And there is something to be said for listening to people of different backgrounds and honoring
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But what happened where I was working was it took it to, like, a more negative level.
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And so basically after working there for six years, it was sort of like I had no idea
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what I actually believe because I spent six years just censoring myself to get approval
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And it manifested in just how I covered the climate change movement, not very critically
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or all these different, you know, protests at the time and social justice stuff.
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It was sort of just the beginning of what we kind of saw peak in 2020.
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But I was almost at this at the beginning lines of it because I worked in a very liberal newsroom
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And yeah, just not having that internal belief structure.
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And like now that I have kids, I'm like, oh, my God, I have to like really inoculate
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them against this because it's so easy to fall into this like empathy trap, which I was reading
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And you talk about this a lot where it's like well-meaning people who have big hearts can
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very easily become susceptible to stuff that doesn't really want the best for society.
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Was that something that you were genuinely interested in or was now this like, oh, like
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It was actually something I was genuinely interested in.
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And I think how it started was covering, you know, the vegetable startup that's selling you
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bruised fruit to save it because it would otherwise go in the trash or like a reusable cup
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brand or whatever sort of positive little things.
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And then covering ocean plastic pollution, which we all know about now is a big issue.
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I was covering that in 2015 and then it was covering Standing Rock.
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And basically, you know, I was really, really online.
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I think a lot like now this is like so taken for granted, but you have to think about the
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20 teens like we didn't really know what the algorithms were doing to our minds.
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And so I was online and how we published all of our content was through Facebook, through
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And so I was not only creating content, I was consuming content.
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And then it became more about protesting and Standing Rock and going there.
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So Standing Rock was a big protest in 2016 against the Dakota Access Pipeline in North Dakota.
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I can't tell what's like household like words or not.
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I say it as if everyone knows, but that was a big protest that happened right between when
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Trump got elected, but Obama was still president.
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So I covered that for now this and the videos that I made of that protest for like six months
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during 2016 got like tens of millions of views because we were just really ahead of what we
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now take for granted, which is like virality and really short clips, subtitles, like really
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Like we know about it now, but at the time it was very new.
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And I kind of was just following my interests and also the algorithm was then feeding it
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OK, that was the Dakota Access Pipeline and all of the protests.
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I remember there being some conservative coverage of the aftermath of that, that it
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looked like the protesters who were like, this is sacred land, Native Americans trying
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to say we've got to protect this, that there was a bunch of trash.
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Did that ever give you pause of like, hmm, is this is in good faith as I make it seem like
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You hit the nail on the head because actually my first piece that I wrote at the Free Press,
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because I'm not an editorial at the Free Press, I run the social media.
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But if you have an idea, you can like get it published.
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So my first piece I ever pitched was like I covered Standing Rock, I helped it go viral
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And the kicker of that article at the end is when I got home from Standing Rock and I saw
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a video of the trash and I thought, should I make this video for our audience and cover
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And I decided not to do it because I didn't want to sully the positive narrative that I
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It was, I think, 48 million pounds of trash that cost the town like a million dollars to
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And like, I think that is what I call out now where, you know, I have now kind of come
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out of the ideological closet, you could say, in the last few months calling out the climate
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And that was like the first seed that was planted, although I did not think about it
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really critically for years and really acknowledge it, that the climate movement doesn't really
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They like to protest and they really hate human industry, you know, civilization.
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And it's really a protesting movement more than an environmental movement.
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I'm sure that the affirmation that comes from going viral kind of validates your belief system
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Obviously, it was progressive, but was there a feeling that even if I do have a question,
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if someone has a different idea or a different perspective, that they're not allowed to speak
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So I can only speak from my experience and I feel like I am emotionally intelligent.
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So I'm reading the room and trying to just fit in with the group.
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And on top of that, we had Slack, which, you know, is like a messaging service that everybody
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And I think that really made it worse because you could see what everybody believed by like
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the memes that they're sharing or the people who someone's getting canceled on Twitter
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that week and it's getting they're getting, you know, put up in our Slack channel and dragged
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And you're going, oh, OK, so now saying that thing is not allowed now thinking this is not
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So it's not like it was over your head and saying, don't act this way like it was not
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It was just sort of a slow spiral of silence where I stopped listening to my own internal
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critical thinking voice and my authentic opinions and started putting the beliefs of the group
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OK, let's play this clip so people can see you in action when you were on NowThis discussing
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Sometimes I feel overwhelmed by climate change.
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But instead of being hopeless, I'm going to be proactive and figure out how I can live
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I've committed to give up single use plastic for the entire month.
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I'm on a mission to find out how my old food gets turned into compost.
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I'm excited to explore how to live a more responsible life.
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And I see what you mean that this is that clip is not political necessarily.
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You're trying to make this into a positive story.
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So you were there for a while as someone who was on this beat, even after you covered that
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Yeah, so that protest in 2016 really kicked off this becoming my beat.
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And again, my personality is I'm very positive and I'm always looking for like a positive
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So like my series was positive, but but the like mainstream climate movement at that
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time and the culture, you know, the social media groups I was interacting with and stuff
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But I sort of carved out a nonpolitical space within the movement, if that makes sense, because
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But what was what I realized later is I didn't cover all these topics the most honestly.
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For example, just like single use plastic focusing on, you know, Upper East Siders of Manhattan not
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using a straw isn't really as important as getting, you know, waste infrastructure in places
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like Guatemala and just sort of misplacing where the solutions could actually come from and
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do it and bringing it back onto the individual in the West where we have good waste infrastructure
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and putting it on us to like solve all of climate change because we have sort of some guilt just
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So that was sort of the underlying perspective or I guess like motivation was like I have the
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So I have to make content that sort of atones for it.
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Like you say that you were positive, but did you believe this idea that the world is going
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to end in 10 years that, you know, Greta Thunberg and other people have.
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I think it would like flare up during different times.
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You know, you'd see a wildfire or a hurricane and you'd get really scared and go, oh God,
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this is happening, you know, or different films would come out like Leonardo DiCaprio
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had a film in 2015, like before the flood, which now I feel like was just a projection
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from him, but it was really scary, you know, and watching that and just being like, oh God,
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like we really have 10 years left, but obviously to function in the world, you're not going
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But like my mental like landscape was like I have 10 years and I think at one point probably
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my earlier 20s being like, well, I can't have kids, you know, or just like feeling guilty
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Can I have like a wedding because it's consumption and just putting everything through this lens
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of a lot of guilt for just basically living, you know, a life in America in 20, in the
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Um, it was just really, um, a drag on my like energy, I guess, as a person.
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And I think one of the criticisms I get now is like, oh, well, you just gave up your anxiety
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And I'm like, no, that's not the thing is I think we should always protect the environment.
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And I think that climate change is happening to some degree and we can adapt to it.
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But right now, the way the movement pushes its plans of, you know, just like covering
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the, the countryside and windmills or all these things are kind of distractions away
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from the things that we could actually really make an impact on, whether it's cleaning up
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litter or adaptability to climate change, et cetera.
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So I guess it's important for me to say, like, I still really do care about the environment,
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but it's more maybe like in a conservation way than what I see the climate movement pushing
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Yeah, I've learned a lot about just the, the other side of what looks like trying to
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protect the environment, like the windmills that you talked about.
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Not that I think fossil fuels are bad, but that's something that climate activists say,
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And then there's really no way to discard them.
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And by the way, we're relying on China to create these windmills, import them over here.
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Also, they're bad for the air and for the birds and like so many things.
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And I feel like so many proposed solutions that come from the progressive side when it
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comes to climate change actually just make things, makes things worse and makes us devolve
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as a civilization without a big upside for the environment, which is strange because I assume
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that a lot of people in the movement are similar to you and that they really cared.
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And they really do want to help the earth in all of that.
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And yet they're not open to other capitalistic free market creative solutions to actually
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Yeah, they have sort of sacred held beliefs and it's like wind and solar are perfect.
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They fight nuclear plants when I think that that's a really promising technology.
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And it's so frustrating to see a movement that directs all of its energy and its capital and
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its attention towards solutions that don't work.
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And like you're saying, have huge environmental impacts versus all the things that you just
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Like, actually, how can capitalism solve this or how can we get creative?
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And that's also just why I had to speak out because I was like, I'm not going to be on
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I'm not going to be 110 on my deathbed and thinking, you know, having regrets that I didn't
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I was like, I just have to start saying what I've observed and hopefully from that other
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Okay, let's get to the transformation moment for you or season for you.
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So during this time, and I'll just kind of like go over this quickly, you produced a
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video about AOC that AOC was in, and she was just kind of explaining her platform and
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And that now this video that you helped produce was used in her campaign.
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I don't know if it went viral, but it circulated a lot at the time, and it basically helped
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And I'm sure that was something that you were proud of, right?
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Yeah, so I met AOC in 2017, right before she won the primary in 2018, that June.
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So we were in our late 20s, and I really was taking with her.
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I think she's very charismatic, and she comes off very authentic to me.
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And we hit it off at this small event that I was at that was for Democrats running to
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take back the House after Trump had gotten elected.
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And so, yeah, it was a no-brainer for me to cover her story for Now This, and I think
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it got like 10 million views within like a week.
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I started working from home, and then I had my first-
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And I was still very much in it going into my wedding.
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I tried to like have less waist, which is nothing wrong with that.
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I just always felt like it was a little bit out of alignment for me.
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Like, I felt really like exhausted around the content that I would make.
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Like, even like coming here today and talking, I'm like, oh, I'm just going to talk from my
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And when I would go on my trips, and I interviewed Greta Thunberg in Sweden and stuff, like, I
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And I couldn't fully go there and really say what I believed because I was still really in
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this mindset of like, you have to act and talk a certain way.
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And it was all kind of connected, whether it's the climate movement or sort of this ideology
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So, yeah, it just was like a very out of alignment.
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Like, it seems like in the climate movement, like, it's never enough.
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And the timeline of when the world is going to end keeps shifting.
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One thing that I noticed about it, and I'm interested to know if this like played into
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your shift at all, is it just feels very anti-human.
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Anything that is good or more convenient for humans is automatically seen as bad.
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Like, that's what I see in the climate change movement a lot is like, the population is the
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If we just had 90% fewer people, then life would be good.
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And I'm like, well, that's a really sad and pessimistic mentality of the human race.
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And there's also this sort of, what's the word, fetishizing of ancient humans where
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Like, no, definitely a demonization of civilization.
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And that was, again, like when I go back to saying like, I have a positive personality,
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like my natural disposition is to be optimistic.
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So that is where like the rubber started to hit the road.
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Because I was like, my natural character is positive about the human condition.
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Like, I like, and now I'm so happy to be like, I love civilization.
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And I think it also took sort of a turn because when I covered it in 2016, there was a, there's
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religious undertones here, but there was a poster that said, Standing Rock awakens the
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And I felt really like positive, like I'm on the right side of history.
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There was a Native American, you know, legend that you would, they would fight this black
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There was all these symbolisms around religion.
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So I was like, oh, I'm on the right side of history.
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And then like over the years, it became what you're saying, where it was like, no climate
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And you're like, wait, what are we talking about?
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Like, I thought we're trying to clean up pollution.
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And now it's like, we've got to break down capitalism in America and like restructure society
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And then I just, I honestly just like, just kind of got, went quieter.
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I stopped posting a lot, especially like over COVID and, and I just didn't say what I
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And I thought maybe I was going to keep quiet for my entire life because I didn't want to
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But like the internal frustrations and second guessings were growing and almost like I would
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And then like, Oh, maybe over a glass of wine with like a trusted friend, I'd be like, well,
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actually, you know, single use plastic has a lower carbon footprint than plastic.
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You know, I just like, I knew that it was more complicated, but I was so afraid to wade
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into it because of just the backlash from like the following I had built and, um, my coworkers
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What was it about getting married that started to shift your mind even more?
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So I think it was that time at home away from, so I got married September 2019 because COVID
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was only six months later, even like going on my honeymoon and like feeling anxious, like
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on my honeymoon, you know, like it's just like sort of starting to realize that my climate
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perspective was interacting in a negative way with my like outside of work life where
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I couldn't even like enjoy my honeymoon because I was like, Oh, I should be at the climate
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protest that's happening right now instead of like in France on my honeymoon.
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And then, um, going through COVID, it was so, there was two things that really started to
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make me go, wait a minute, what's going on here?
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One was the outrolling of PPE and all of a sudden you had plastic barriers between every
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And you had people wearing disposable masks every single day and throwing them out.
00:27:11.880
And I'm like, I have been guilting myself about a plastic straw for the last five years.
00:27:15.880
And I've now used more plastic in a day than I ever have.
00:27:23.640
And in a lot of ways, I didn't know at the time and we maybe we'll never really know how
00:27:27.200
much these things were really helping, but I was like, it's saving lives.
00:27:32.260
And it kind of broke me out of my black and white thinking about plastic.
00:27:35.480
And then with the world shutting down and you know, they have these emissions charts that
00:27:41.280
And it was like, went down by like 2% or whatever it was.
00:27:44.220
And I'm like, wait a minute, the world has been shut down now for weeks.
00:27:51.700
And we're only limiting our carbon emissions by 5% or whatever it was.
00:27:58.180
Because ultimately to achieve climate net zero, whatever people throw around, we would
00:28:04.860
And I don't think that that's a good trade off.
00:28:07.040
Like I'd rather live with some climate change and adapt to it and have our modern lives and
00:28:11.480
modern conveniences, then shut down the world and live like in a cave, like caveman times.
00:28:17.240
And then obviously you have kids and I feel like it just totally foundationally changes.
00:28:21.400
You had my son in March of 2022 and I'm like, first of all, I'm going to be using single
00:28:27.520
So you kind of have to just be selfish because you're so exhausted.
00:28:29.700
And I don't want my son to absorb from me any pathologies around consumption as a modern
00:28:36.860
I think it's sort of a weird, again, going back to this like religious undertones, it's
00:28:41.660
like this feeling of like original sin where it's like, oh, you were born in 2025 and like,
00:28:51.940
And I get it because people are now like, you just don't care.
00:28:55.920
Like we have the infrastructure to deal with this stuff.
00:28:59.500
And I had this sort of zero sum fear based relationship to consumption that I like literally
00:29:06.660
I would feel guilty every time I'd throw something out and all that.
00:29:11.080
So obviously you got over this fear of having children that you said that you had when you
00:29:19.840
I'm sure that your husband had something to do with that and saying, okay, like we're going
00:29:25.840
Yeah, I wouldn't say I was ever like adamantly like, I'm never going to have kids.
00:29:29.000
It was like more like moments where I would think about it and I would be anxious about
00:29:31.980
I never like took a strong stance, but it was definitely like in my internal world, it would
00:29:36.100
be like a belief that I would have at any given time.
00:29:39.160
But I think my husband is not like political and like he doesn't, you know, care about this
00:29:46.600
And so he's just a grounding force for me that like I'm like over here, like thinking
00:29:50.100
about every single thing and he's just like, it's good.
00:29:53.260
And, you know, I just think you just building your own life and like having sort of the
00:29:59.760
world that is your family is such a perspective giving thing where you realize like this is
00:30:07.480
your domain to input your values onto your kids and create the world that you want them
00:30:13.660
to live in within like the four doors of your home.
00:30:15.540
And so I just had to be very mindful of like, what was I bringing into that space for them?
00:30:24.040
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We put that in our kids' smoothies, in their pancakes, making sure that they have the protein
00:31:33.440
Okay, this is kind of putting you on the spot, but I think that you can probably come
00:31:45.180
If there is one thing that you could tell, say there's a conservative out there who doesn't
00:31:49.760
care about the environment at all, and they're like, whatever, everything that environmentalists
00:31:54.780
say is a total hoax, we shouldn't care, think about it at all.
00:31:57.380
My first question is, what would you tell them?
00:31:59.320
What is actually true about how we should steward the earth and the environment in a way that
00:32:04.660
And then my second question is, what would you tell the progressive climate change fanatic
00:32:12.200
So we'll start with, what is something true about the environment and how we can actually
00:32:19.620
Yeah, I think the simplest thing, it's so basic, we've known this for decades, is honestly,
00:32:25.620
I think like litter, like it sounds so like, but it's like the Nancy Reagan, like I think
00:32:30.420
her campaign was like, don't litter or whatever.
00:32:33.340
I think just cleaning up after yourself, you know, leaving, like if you're going somewhere
00:32:38.440
into nature and never leaving anything behind, like I still really subscribe to those things
00:32:47.020
Like when it comes to like your consumption and stuff, I really do think that humans are so
00:32:51.660
industrious and so good at coming up with problem solving.
00:32:55.380
So I think we will have a fossil free future, but it will probably just be a new technology
00:33:04.000
Be grateful for what you have, that we have all these modern conveniences.
00:33:11.180
And I was actually talking to someone yesterday and she was like, oh my gosh, I love your content.
00:33:18.060
And they, she, this girl went to a college in Maine and just, it doesn't want to have
00:33:23.520
kids now, thinks that like in this, this really culty club movement that she was in, they suggest
00:33:31.220
So there are people out there who are really, really radicalized.
00:33:33.580
I don't think people really understand the mindset.
00:33:36.320
I was never that bad, but I think it goes back to perspective, historical perspective of
00:33:46.280
Like human life used to be toil and short and you would die young because of just how
00:33:53.680
And now thanks to the technology of fossil fuels, we can have, you know, a beautiful set
00:33:58.960
like this and conversations like this under lights and technology.
00:34:02.180
And we live such amazing lives that Kings, even in the 1700s would not have lived as good
00:34:08.900
And so I think bringing in that perspective of, hey, we're not in late stage capitalism,
00:34:12.960
10 years away from dying, but look at these facts, look at how good we have it compared
00:34:18.680
Even for women, I think realizing in areas that don't have access to fossil fuels, five
00:34:25.260
hours a day could be spent collecting dung and wood to cook for your family.
00:34:29.520
Fuel collection is how they spend, like that's their job, 40 hours a week.
00:34:32.680
So just bringing in that and maybe shifting some of this guilt into gratitude, I think
00:34:43.100
You mentioned the religious undertones and I see that so much that it really is almost
00:34:51.920
It seems to me that those who are all in on climate change or trying to fight climate change,
00:35:02.320
We are called to care for, you know, the world around us, treat it really good, leave
00:35:11.340
I think that's probably just good, responsible living anyway, but it goes from stewardship to
00:35:17.920
And I think that when you have this mentality shift from, okay, I am a steward of the world
00:35:25.640
I'm going to do the best that I possibly can to cultivate it, to make it beautiful and good
00:35:34.640
That is saying I am a caretaker of the world around me versus a worshiper of the world around
00:35:41.120
me in which basically you believe that you have to submit to all of the elements and
00:35:48.360
that the world and nature and animals are actually more important than humans.
00:35:52.480
And I don't know if you're a Christian, but it really goes all the way back to the very
00:36:02.880
He had to name the animals and he had to work the ground and to keep it.
00:36:06.840
God put Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden, not a jungle.
00:36:14.100
And Adam and Eve were given the responsibility to not only populate the earth.
00:36:19.380
So that's one thing against the climate movement today, but also to care for it and to work
00:36:26.320
There's actually like a dominion authority aspect to it.
00:36:29.900
And I see the exact opposite thing when it comes to climate change.
00:36:35.400
We are a debit in that we take away from all things good, that civilization has been a net
00:36:41.180
negative for human beings and that we just need to let the elements of the world be untamed
00:36:52.040
It's worshiping the creature rather than the creator.
00:36:55.980
I mean, I, everything that you're saying resonates with me so much.
00:36:58.580
And it's not like when I started making content, I am, I was raised Episcopalian, so I am religious,
00:37:06.100
But as I'm making this content more, like so many of the themes that you're mentioning resonate
00:37:12.040
Like as I was making more content on my TikTok and Instagram, I'm like, oh, here are these
00:37:16.640
And like you said, anti-human, like feeling guilty for just being alive.
00:37:21.220
Like that is one thing that like, why I feel, you know, you have your why's, like, why am
00:37:27.040
And I'm like, I don't want people walking around feeling guilty for just being alive.
00:37:31.200
And, and, you know, and like, and like going back to this original sin where it's like,
00:37:35.360
Like we were born into this society and like you're saying, like, leave it better than
00:37:41.440
And another thing to think about with the climate movement, which I think is such a good
00:37:44.280
point is that it, they diminish all of nature's beauty.
00:37:48.800
You know, we look at America, we have so many amazing blessings, all these national parks
00:37:54.040
And I think the healthy way to look at it is like you're saying, being a steward, honoring
00:37:58.840
nature's beauty and like looking at it, whatever, the climate movement turns everything into
00:38:11.640
It's, well, it's carbon emissions are this much, this many tons a year.
00:38:15.900
And you see places in Europe where this has really taken hold more than here.
00:38:19.240
We're lucky that it's not as bad where they're culling deer.
00:38:24.020
They're culling cows, cattle from generations old farms because of their methane emissions,
00:38:33.660
Maybe this land in Ireland has evolved alongside these cows.
00:38:39.580
This is part of the Irish culture and heritage.
00:38:43.200
And the climate movement comes along and they're like, these are the emissions and you need to
00:38:48.660
And that truly happens in places not luckily not in the US as much.
00:38:52.520
But like the Dutch farmers that happened to them.
00:38:59.580
It's like we've totally lost the plot and it's subverted all of like this goodwill of
00:39:04.940
And where we've landed is a really destructive movement that is anti-human and anti, like
00:39:25.820
This summit is unlike any other Christian event.
00:39:33.560
There are even people showing you how to make sourdough and harvest chickens.
00:39:39.420
But we are talking about Christian ideas, how to live the Christian life, how to represent
00:39:45.980
I am also going to be speaking Nashville, October 2nd through 4th.
00:39:54.520
How we avoid confusing worldly love with biblical love.
00:40:00.300
Biblical love, of course, is bound with the truth.
00:40:28.980
You mentioned that when you were a climate activist or influencer, you focused more on,
00:40:35.040
you know, the rich people not using plastic straws than building infrastructure in places
00:40:39.580
like Puerto Rico or Guatemala to actually deal with the trash.
00:40:42.960
And it does seem like climate change is a very posh issue for elite people to use as
00:40:54.340
And you really can just signal at it the way that Leonardo DiCaprio does, true virtue signal,
00:41:04.340
You know, meanwhile, we will probably never come close to the carbon footprint that he
00:41:09.700
has created from all of the times he's flown around in his private jet, which is true of
00:41:15.640
And also, I'm just like, if you're going to fly around in a private jet, just like own
00:41:18.740
Like, I get a lot less annoyed at like the Jeff Bezos of the world and Lauren Sanchez.
00:41:23.660
They're having a good time versus like Leo shows up at the wedding.
00:41:26.620
And I'm like, come on, you've been you've been lecturing us for years.
00:41:29.860
You should have gone over in a canoe and arrived.
00:41:35.720
And when I was writing for the Free Press about my Standing Rock article is that Greta Thunberg
00:41:41.240
now, who was a big climate activist, is now pro-Palestine activist.
00:41:53.380
It's just the anti-human, anti-civilization, anti-West mindset moved from climate in the
00:42:02.740
And they have this weird fetishizing of Palestine where they're like, well, it would be sustainable
00:42:13.300
Like, it's truly like some crazy, like, pseudo-religious take on what the Palestinian people would be
00:42:19.800
And in the same way that it was with the Native Americans would be like.
00:42:22.340
And so it's just this mindset's moving from one thing to the other.
00:42:25.180
I feel like climate's kind of moved out of vogue.
00:42:27.980
And also, I feel like if I had really come out at the height of it in 2018, I would have
00:42:31.900
had to be even braver than I am now because I think it would have been, like, really scary.
00:42:35.840
I think, like, the wave crested on climate a bit and I wasn't brave enough to go out earlier.
00:42:45.080
I'm so intrigued to see what the next thing will be.
00:42:50.100
So my husband and I, for our 10-year anniversary, we went to Hawaii and there is a culture, I
00:42:56.860
think the people who live in Hawaii can tell you this, among a lot of the natives there
00:43:01.140
of, like, anti-colonialist and even anti-white.
00:43:04.640
And the mentality is, you know, like, we've had this land, our generations have had this
00:43:10.900
You know, tourists came in, Americans came in, they made it a state, they changed our
00:43:16.560
culture, they made it, you know, commercialized in all of these things and hurt our environment.
00:43:20.920
And obviously, it's a very blue state, very progressive state and very pro-fighting climate
00:43:26.740
change through whatever government policy possible.
00:43:29.600
Well, there is this cliff outside of our resort that my husband and I were going to jump off
00:43:35.380
We went there that morning, we were the only ones there.
00:43:38.080
We went back that afternoon and it was a public place and a bunch of locals were there.
00:43:44.260
And we were appalled that in the two hours between when we were there this morning and
00:43:48.980
no one was there, and when we were there that afternoon, when so many locals was there,
00:43:54.740
And like, my husband and I were so careful, like, we didn't want to leave anything, we didn't
00:43:59.160
want it to seem like we weren't taking care of the place around us because we're the tourists
00:44:05.380
But there was soggy pizza, there was trash, there were cans.
00:44:11.800
And I'm not saying, oh, well, this is what everyone in Hawaii is like.
00:44:15.260
I just think it reminds me a lot of Standing Rock.
00:44:19.640
It's like, is it really a love for your land, a love for the environment, a love for your
00:44:25.200
culture, or is it just anti-civilization, anti-white people, anti-the oppressor who is
00:44:33.580
Is it just progressive ideology and you're using the climate as a virtuous seeming excuse?
00:44:42.120
And I think that the college educated, ironically, white person is the one, they are the ones
00:44:47.140
who are going to all this stuff and creating these movements, they're the ones who pushed
00:44:52.120
There were some Native American activists who started it, but it really got taken on by
00:44:56.860
the college educated white elite that we see that now has moved down to pro-Palestine.
00:45:00.900
And so it's all virtue signaling and a weird, again, this myth of the noble savage.
00:45:06.500
It's so messed up to say, but it's all these college educated kids who are like, oh, my culture
00:45:12.000
is horrible, but this culture, I'm going to put you on a pedestal.
00:45:15.660
And it's actually really like degrading and looks down on the culture and it's not really
00:45:21.440
But yeah, it's a lot of lost young people looking for meaning, I think.
00:45:32.680
So if people don't know, he is the Democratic mayoral candidate for New York City.
00:45:39.640
And this is not us just deducing that he has said that he is a socialist.
00:45:43.600
He has advocated adamantly and persistently for defunding the police, but he won his primary
00:45:51.980
And so he will probably win because a Republican probably won't win the mayoral race in New
00:46:04.220
So I actually did a video from my car, you know, classic, you know, the front seat think
00:46:14.140
And I just said, guys, I'm telling you, if I were 25, I would have loved Zoran Mamdani.
00:46:21.700
And then I just explained my anecdote on this, like they think really like hammers at home
00:46:25.540
is that these well-meaning leftist policies really are the road to hell is paved with
00:46:30.360
good intentions and end up creating the problem that they're trying to avoid.
00:46:34.180
And in New York, actually, it was a law that Cuomo signed into law in 2019.
00:46:38.880
It's called the Affordable Housing Act or something of 2019, where they capped the amount you could
00:46:44.200
raise rent on rent controlled apartments to just 2%.
00:46:47.720
And the idea, you know, the well-meaning Democrats in the state house are like, we've got to,
00:46:52.100
you know, these pesky landlords, they're so greedy, they're raising the rent on these
00:46:57.020
Problem is, these rent controlled apartments could be, have the same owner, same tenant
00:47:04.160
So people are in these rent controlled apartments for 50 years, 40 years.
00:47:09.420
They completely, by the time someone's leaving apartment after 40 years, they're holes
00:47:22.580
So if you raise 2%, that would be in 2025, $408 on an apartment that needs $100,000 in renovations
00:47:33.200
So what's happened is that now, since this law has been in effect now for five or six years,
00:47:37.300
there are tens of thousands of empty rent controlled apartments in New York City right now,
00:47:42.120
because the landlords cannot put $100,000 or $60,000 into an apartment to bring up to code
00:47:50.780
So now we have this huge housing shortage in New York City, and everyone's blaming on
00:47:55.680
They're saying, the capitalists, these greedy landlords, and they're so living in projection
00:48:01.920
because a lot of these landlords are going to be, maybe they own a building.
00:48:08.180
And when you hurt them with over-regulation, you know who comes in and buys up these apartments
00:48:13.360
is the Black Rocks, is the big capitalist bad guys that they're so afraid of.
00:48:19.180
And so I'm trying to explain to people, like, you guys, these leftist policies that are really
00:48:24.440
regulatory end up creating the monster that you don't want to have there, whether it's
00:48:28.840
the housing shortage or these big behemoth real estate businesses that you feel aren't connected
00:48:34.560
to the person and can abuse the system, which is a real problem.
00:48:37.700
And so, yeah, I just was like, you guys, road to hell is paved with good intentions.
00:48:41.640
Like, and basically saying, like, we need less taxes.
00:48:45.420
We need more room for innovation, for human flourishing, because individuals are the ones
00:48:50.100
who can create the capital that creates all the amazing things that we have here in the
00:48:54.640
And when the government gets involved and over-regulates, you have this, you know, show
00:49:00.260
And luckily, New York, you know, it's such a big economy, and it's still under the weight
00:49:12.960
And like, I think he's going to win, because I think he has all the energy.
00:49:23.140
And so, you know, New York Post always has the best commentary.
00:49:25.880
And they're like, oh, yeah, he—oh, it actually was really sad.
00:49:30.880
Sorry, like, I'm not to make light of this, but there was a shooting in New York yesterday.
00:49:34.020
And he commented on it, and someone's like, wow, I'm really glad you're—after all your
00:49:37.420
years of defunding the police, and you're commenting behind armed guards in Uganda on
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He's talked about, you know, how difficult it is to be an immigrant and all of that stuff.
00:50:49.720
But both of his parents, extremely well-off, successful, elite, sophisticated circles of
00:50:56.600
American society that most of us will never get to enter.
00:51:06.660
Don't post a video of yourself eating like whatever it is with your hands, which was
00:51:15.700
But to try to cosplay as an oppressed poor person.
00:51:20.840
And I think the thing is, I try to say this because people on my account, they're like,
00:51:32.600
I want to see more people able to live the American dream and prosper and flourish and
00:51:38.680
I just think that the way we get there is different than what the snake oil salesman that's mom
00:51:45.160
He's selling a bill of goods that does not work.
00:51:46.760
And everywhere socialism is tried, it is a civilization ruining practice.
00:51:52.740
And talk to the people who are children of immigrants from Cuba, Venezuela, USSR.
00:51:57.180
This experiment goes all over the world and never ends well.
00:52:00.320
And I want people to be more successful in life.
00:52:04.080
And we realize that socialism is not the problem.
00:52:06.660
And there's like so much misunderstanding, I think, from the group thing that I left where
00:52:11.980
they project onto me like, well, you don't care because you're not pushing socialism.
00:52:19.280
And so that's a huge another thing I'm trying to speak out and be like, guys, we all want
00:52:24.580
But we're just thinking we get there a different way.
00:52:27.540
So what do you think that progressives like him and other progressives running for office
00:52:32.480
over the next few years, what do you think they're going to do with the climate change
00:52:39.100
Is it has it officially crested and no one's going to talk about it?
00:52:43.440
What do you think the future of that collision of socialism and climate change looks like?
00:52:48.580
I looked at Mom Donnie's website with his policies and it's not very climate change
00:52:54.500
focused, which is honestly smart because working class people do not like climate change.
00:53:00.180
I think the only thing on his website about it was making schools green or something like
00:53:09.800
Now I look back and I'm like, it made no sense.
00:53:15.640
And I think now people are realizing it's that creates an affordability crisis.
00:53:22.900
And so the smart liberals that we're seeing, the AOCs and Mom Donnie's are going back to
00:53:28.280
the, you know, kitchen table issues and their ideas are very bad.
00:53:34.840
Like $30 minimum wage, like affordable groceries, like they figured out that the climate is not
00:53:41.360
Um, so I hope that it's passed, but I do think that the mindset we were discussing of
00:53:47.480
people feeling just guilty for being alive and having the shame and walking around feeling
00:53:53.160
I feel like that's so pervasive in our culture, even if it's not manifesting now in climate
00:54:01.060
If people want to read more from you and hear more about your commentary, where can they go?
00:54:11.240
So if you ever message the social media on any of those accounts, it probably will be
00:54:16.260
But then, um, my personal accounts on Instagram, I'm Lucy Biggers, TikTok, I'm Lucy Biggers.
00:54:21.240
The only thing I'm different on is Twitter slash X.
00:54:24.400
I'm LL Biggers, but all the content is basically the same.
00:54:32.920
And I really appreciate you being so open about your transformation and how you've changed
00:54:37.540
I think that alone will just help a lot of people think more critically about what they