Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1241 ｜ The 'Charlie Effect' Spreads Across the Country

00:00:00.660 The response to Charlie Kirk's assassination has been absolutely monumental.

00:00:05.620 We are going to go through that response today.

00:00:07.540 You will feel emboldened.

00:00:09.380 You will feel encouraged.

00:00:11.100 But I am also going to give some clarity on who did this assassination, what we should

00:00:16.400 take away from it.

00:00:17.220 And I'm going to respond to some of the truly heinous responses that I've seen from some

00:00:24.500 professing Christians after Charlie's death.

00:00:26.760 And I hope this gives you the encouragement and the clarity that you need today.

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00:00:46.420 Without further ado, here is today's episode of Relatable.

00:00:56.760 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable.

00:01:00.320 Happy Monday.

00:01:01.020 Hope everyone had a restful weekend, a peaceful weekend, a weekend hopefully being refreshed

00:01:08.580 and rejuvenated by the Word of God with your family, resting at church.

00:01:14.720 I just want to remind you, as I so often do, especially on Mondays, but especially right

00:01:19.440 now, that God's eternal plan of redemption is going off without a hitch.

00:01:24.540 He is not surprised.

00:01:26.460 He's not taken aback.

00:01:27.680 He's not thrown off.

00:01:28.860 He's not looking down, wondering what's going to happen next or how the last thing happened.

00:01:34.600 He is not a God who comes in to clean up the mess later.

00:01:38.940 He is not distant.

00:01:40.740 He is not busy.

00:01:42.100 He is present and He is working.

00:01:44.700 He is doing something.

00:01:46.580 When God seems to be doing one thing, He is doing a million things.

00:01:50.700 And those things don't always go viral.

00:01:52.580 They don't always make headlines.

00:01:54.880 But Romans 8, 28 reminds us that He works all things, all things together for the good

00:02:02.440 of those who love Him, who are called according to His purpose.

00:02:08.420 He is doing all things for His glory and the good of those who love Him.

00:02:14.200 How good is God?

00:02:15.460 And it is so like Satan to try to discourage, to try to demoralize, to try to destroy, to

00:02:24.040 take such a bold and strong fighter out of the battle and hope to make the rest of us

00:02:30.260 so scared and silent and ineffective.

00:02:32.640 And it is so like God to stack the odds against Himself just to tear them down, to show up when

00:02:40.880 it seems darkest, when it seems most desperate.

00:02:44.500 God, who is in the business of redemption, who is in the business of thwarting Satan's

00:02:50.100 plans, who is in the business of bringing people to Himself, that's what God is up to right

00:02:55.420 now.

00:02:55.940 And we as Christians have the glorious privilege to be a part of it.

00:03:00.360 As His vessels of truth and bearers of the righteousness that Christ gave us, we have this

00:03:08.040 incredible, gracious opportunity to be a part of this moment in which people are searching

00:03:14.760 and they're hungry and they're wondering, is there something better?

00:03:18.780 Is there something more?

00:03:20.360 Is there order to be made out of this chaos?

00:03:23.040 Is there meaning?

00:03:23.960 Is there substance?

00:03:25.200 They're feeling empty.

00:03:26.340 They're feeling afraid.

00:03:27.840 And we have the answer.

00:03:29.020 We have been entrusted to steward the answer to all of life's questions.

00:03:33.820 And it's not because we're wise.

00:03:35.460 It's not because we're powerful.

00:03:37.240 It's because we know the creator of the heavens and the earth.

00:03:40.880 And because He created all of it, as Genesis 1, 1 says, He is the authority over all of it.

00:03:47.000 That means He is the definer of all of it.

00:03:49.340 He gets to say what is and what isn't, what's right and what's wrong, what's good and what's

00:03:53.800 bad, what a woman is, what she's not, and when life begins.

00:03:58.040 And all of these things are answered in the very first chapter of the first book of the

00:04:01.620 Bible.

00:04:02.640 You just got to read 27 verses before you get the answer to so many questions that our

00:04:08.460 culture has today.

00:04:10.220 And because of the clarity that Charlie showed, not just on the gospel, first and foremost,

00:04:17.440 but on all of these issues that are not primarily political or cultural, they're primarily biblical,

00:04:24.520 he was killed for it.

00:04:25.520 For the same reason that Christians have been killed for thousands and thousands of years.

00:04:30.200 And, you know, some people are trying to comfort themselves right now by telling themselves that

00:04:34.900 that's not why Charlie was killed.

00:04:36.500 He was killed for being divisive.

00:04:38.380 He was killed for saying the wrong things with the wrong tone.

00:04:41.400 So that won't happen to me if I'm just winsome enough, if my tone is just nice enough, if I

00:04:45.780 say things differently, if I don't wade into the abortion issue or the gender issue or the

00:04:50.200 marriage issue, then they won't kill me.

00:04:52.460 You're fooling yourself.

00:04:53.540 And you are a fool because you don't see that all of those things are first and foremost

00:04:59.360 biblical before they are political.

00:05:02.620 Now, did he have political opinions that I'm sure people were angry about?

00:05:06.600 Yes.

00:05:07.400 But as we will talk about more today, he was killed because he said what was true about

00:05:12.920 gender.

00:05:13.420 He said what was true about justice.

00:05:15.720 He said what was true about the gospel, about the existence and exclusive salvation that is

00:05:21.220 found in Jesus Christ.

00:05:24.540 Our responsibility, as was Charlie's responsibility, just as every Christian's responsibility is,

00:05:30.460 is to do the next right thing in faith with excellence and for the glory of God.

00:05:36.900 If you've been here for a while, you know that that is in addition to an Elizabeth Elliot

00:05:41.680 quote.

00:05:43.000 It's kind of a combination of two quotes that I love by Elizabeth Elliot.

00:05:46.760 I love Elizabeth Elliot.

00:05:48.080 And what she would say is the only thing I have to do today is the will of God.

00:05:52.360 I remember the first time I heard that stopped me in my tracks.

00:05:55.300 It's the only thing you have to do today, Christian, is the will of God.

00:05:59.240 And she would also say, just do the next right thing, which a lot of people have said.

00:06:03.360 But I kind of combined those two ideas and added on to them to say, if you don't know what the

00:06:08.800 will of God is in this moment, it's simply to do the next right thing, the next right thing in faith

00:06:15.720 with excellence and for the glory of God.

00:06:19.160 I believe that is how Charlie lived his life.

00:06:21.300 And right now, even amidst this fear, even amidst this understandable anxiety, don't stop.

00:06:29.200 Don't back down.

00:06:30.600 Don't slow down.

00:06:31.680 Now is the time to double down.

00:06:33.760 Double down on what is good, right, and true.

00:06:36.400 Have courage and discipline in your everyday life to do what is right, to say what is true.

00:06:41.980 So I just want to say, before we get into the rest of our episode, thank you to the pastors

00:06:48.280 who shepherded their flocks well this weekend.

00:06:52.500 Being a pastor is hard.

00:06:53.820 It's way harder than being a podcaster.

00:06:56.780 Having to navigate not only these very difficult cultural moments, but also to shepherd your flock,

00:07:04.440 which is filled with all different kinds of people with backgrounds, with viewpoints,

00:07:10.000 and make sure that you're pointing all of them with utmost clarity and courage to the word of God.

00:07:14.700 That is difficult.

00:07:16.320 It's way more difficult than my job, and I do not envy the role of pastors, but I'm thankful for those

00:07:20.800 who take that responsibility seriously.

00:07:23.260 Those who met this moment, who gave both their new and old attendees what they needed.

00:07:30.420 Courage straight from the word of God.

00:07:32.080 A reminder of the strength and the salvation of Jesus Christ.

00:07:36.880 Many pastors, many of you are telling me, unfortunately, did not meet the moment.

00:07:44.940 They were very vague.

00:07:46.920 They skirted the subjects, or they did something way worse.

00:07:50.540 They made some kind of horrible equivalence between Charlie Kirk and George Floyd,

00:07:54.900 which is insane, actually.

00:07:57.680 Like, not at all the same.

00:07:58.860 Charlie Kirk was a brother in Christ.

00:08:00.560 Like, whether you agreed with him on X, Y, Z, who cares?

00:08:04.360 He was a brother in Christ who died saying things, who was murdered saying things that are biblically true.

00:08:10.720 Whether it was the gospel itself or the reality of Genesis 127, that is a martyr.

00:08:17.060 And I'm sorry, but there is no indication that George Floyd was a Christian,

00:08:20.320 still an image bearer of God who matters a lot, but not a martyr in any sense of the word.

00:08:25.240 And this addiction to both sides and everything, to avoiding the real issue.

00:08:29.840 It is exactly why people tune into podcasts instead of listening to their pastors,

00:08:35.340 because their pastors give them no clarity.

00:08:38.780 So many pastors just don't answer their questions.

00:08:41.620 You've got all of these curious, anxious hearts walking into a church,

00:08:45.580 and they're not looking for their pastor to be a newscaster or a podcaster.

00:08:49.260 That is not the responsibility of a pastor.

00:08:51.640 The pastor is to faithfully preach the word of God and to shepherd and care for their people well.

00:08:59.100 But sometimes, sometimes part of that is meeting the moment.

00:09:04.660 But when a pastor doesn't tell their congregants what the word of God says about the chaos of our day,

00:09:10.620 then you have people walking out of there feeling no less anxious than they did when they walked in.

00:09:18.080 Sometimes the moment calls for a response from scripture.

00:09:23.460 John MacArthur did that so well.

00:09:25.960 A lot of expositors do that.

00:09:27.500 He was not alone in that.

00:09:28.620 But I just remember taking so much comfort in so many of his sermons from 2020, 2021.

00:09:35.080 Never ventured outside of the word of God.

00:09:37.080 He went straight to the word of God.

00:09:38.500 He exposited the word of God.

00:09:40.460 But there were times when he would maybe get out of what he was typically planning to talk about

00:09:46.940 or get out of a certain book of the Bible that they had been in for years to specifically address that moment.

00:09:53.400 Because he felt, it seemed to me, I don't attend his church, but he felt that that's what his congregation needed.

00:10:00.780 And to me, to me, just a lay person, that seems to be an important part of being a shepherd.

00:10:07.000 Before we get into the rest of this episode, we've got some really encouraging things to talk about.

00:10:14.200 Gosh, praise God for what he's doing.

00:10:16.380 But we've got some hard things to talk about.

00:10:18.760 I've got some, what I think is a tough and necessary message for some professing Christians

00:10:23.540 that they've put out there towards the end of this.

00:10:27.660 But before we get into all of that, I just want to say a couple things about Share the Arrows.

00:10:35.400 If you're new here, Share the Arrows is our Christian Women's Conference.

00:10:39.640 And last year was our first year.

00:10:41.100 We had 4,000 women show up down in Dallas, Texas.

00:10:44.580 And it was incredible.

00:10:45.860 It is a teaching conference.

00:10:47.060 It's an equipping conference.

00:10:48.180 We have the most solid female Christian speakers, teachers, apologists teach these women about

00:10:58.100 what it means to be bold in Christ.

00:11:00.120 What it means, whether you are a stay-at-home mom, whether you are a student, whether you

00:11:04.400 are a grandmother, whether you are an employee, an entrepreneur, whatever stage of life you're

00:11:09.920 in, the teachers who are there are equipping you to be bold for Christ in every sphere.

00:11:17.540 And I just, you know, I was tired of a lot of these Christian Women's Conferences that

00:11:22.600 focus on feelings and focus on self-help and all of this fluff.

00:11:26.060 And I'm like, gosh, women need theology.

00:11:27.840 Like, we need to be challenged.

00:11:30.040 And a lot of you who came last year, planning to go this year, have asked me, like, is it

00:11:34.620 still on?

00:11:35.280 What's the deal?

00:11:35.860 And it is 1,000% still on.

00:11:38.840 And we are going to balance boldness with prudence.

00:11:43.180 And there is going, there was already going to be a ton of security, guys.

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00:11:53.520 And it is going to be, I think, even more necessary than ever, because I don't know about

00:12:00.080 you.

00:12:00.420 I just really feel right now, like, I want to be gathered with believers.

00:12:04.880 Like, I couldn't wait to go to church yesterday.

00:12:07.440 I couldn't wait to worship with the body of Christ.

00:12:10.700 And this is going to be, now this year, it's going to be 5,000.

00:12:14.860 I mean, I guess it could be more than that.

00:12:16.540 We'll see, like, you know, what God's will is in that.

00:12:19.480 But we're talking thousands and thousands of women from all over the country, probably

00:12:24.040 all over the world, that are going to be there, listening to teaching from the Word of God,

00:12:30.420 being challenged, being encouraged, making lifelong friendships and worshiping together.

00:12:34.360 Y'all, let me just tell you, the set list that Francesca Battistelli and I agreed upon

00:12:39.460 before Charlie Kirk was assassinated, before any of the evil events of last week, like,

00:12:45.280 I would not change a thing.

00:12:46.740 And that just tells me God knew.

00:12:48.680 I mean, obviously.

00:12:50.240 But God knew not only what was going to happen, but God knew what we needed.

00:12:54.980 Like, I would not change a single song that was chosen, that was agreed upon between Francesca

00:13:00.940 and me, because I just know that's exactly, the Word's exactly what we need.

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00:15:14.420 So it's been five days, five days since Charlie Kirk was assassinated, and the country is not

00:15:23.060 the same.

00:15:23.920 The world is not the same.

00:15:25.580 I am not the same.

00:15:27.280 It has been five days since I got a text while I was driving that said Charlie Kirk has been

00:15:34.440 shot.

00:15:35.520 And I immediately called Charlie's and my mutual friend to confirm if this was true.

00:15:41.580 I knew this person would know, and the response between just like cries of disbelief was yes.

00:15:48.080 And I was on my way to a doctor's appointment.

00:15:50.220 I turned around, and I went home, and my husband and I went straight to our closet, and we prayed,

00:15:56.300 and we cried, and we prayed, please, Lord, save Charlie.

00:15:59.380 And we begged over and over and over again.

00:16:03.240 And then I got a text that he's alive, that he's got a pulse, that he might be stable.

00:16:06.960 And then 30 minutes later, the words pop up on my screen, he's gone.

00:16:13.120 It's been five days since I opened X, and I saw my friend get shot in the neck for saying

00:16:20.200 something true.

00:16:21.540 Five days of riding waves of denial and sadness and anger, of praying every minute for his incredibly

00:16:31.360 brave wife, Erica, and their precious, precious children.

00:16:39.120 I was reminded when I was seeing all of these pictures of Erica, which just broke my heart.

00:16:44.800 I was reminded of JFK when he was assassinated in 1963.

00:16:51.040 And Jackie Kennedy, she reportedly stayed in her blood-soaked clothes, that pink Chanel suit

00:16:57.000 that she was wearing, all day, and everyone in the hospital, all the people who were serving

00:17:02.260 her, they asked her repeatedly if she wanted to change.

00:17:05.660 And she answered them, I want them to see what they have done to Jack.

00:17:12.880 And I was reminded of that when Erica posted a video of herself at Charlie's casket.

00:17:20.560 Golly, I don't know if I've ever seen anything more tragic than this.

00:17:24.200 So we see his hands, we hear her telling him that she loves him.

00:17:29.320 And I saw some of the comments questioning this decision.

00:17:33.940 But I think she wants the world to see and remember what was done to her husband, the

00:17:40.140 father of her two young children, who will never, never be held by their father again.

00:17:45.440 But it's been five days of seeing the most reprehensible people on earth, politicians,

00:17:52.900 teachers, doctors, soldiers, professing Christians, celebrate this or stay silent or caveat their

00:17:58.660 response to Charlie's murder by listing all of their disagreements or all of the things

00:18:02.820 they think that Charlie did wrong.

00:18:04.280 Um, and there are a few people in particular I'm going to talk to specifically, uh, who

00:18:09.960 all call themselves Christians at the end, uh, of this episode.

00:18:13.980 It's been five days of seeing God do what he does, bring people to himself, stack the odds

00:18:21.800 against himself to tear them down.

00:18:23.660 I've seen Charlie's martyred blood water, the seeds of revival, and I've seen those seeds

00:18:29.420 already begin to take root and sprout up.

00:18:34.140 Charlie's unflinching boldness for the gospel is not for naught.

00:18:38.220 It has already ignited so much faith, so much hope and fierceness for the truth.

00:18:42.540 It's brought people to their knees, to the pews, into their Bibles, many for the first time,

00:18:48.580 many for the first time in a long time.

00:18:50.840 I received a message, I received a lot of messages like this, but let me just read you

00:18:55.740 one that I got.

00:18:57.340 Someone sent to me, I wanted to share with you that because of Charlie, I read my Bible

00:19:01.560 for the first time in a year.

00:19:03.280 She said, all of Matthew and I'm getting baptized.

00:19:06.400 There's been a massive change in the spiritual world and we can all feel it.

00:19:11.860 And then I saw this picture, or this is a comment actually on my tribute to Charlie on YouTube.

00:19:18.240 And this person says, I think this has convinced me to go to church.

00:19:22.860 And then this other incredible comment on my tribute to Charlie, which it's on my page.

00:19:27.580 You can go watch it or listen to it if you haven't already.

00:19:29.600 This person said, my six-year-old son decided to follow Jesus last night because of our conversations

00:19:34.240 about Charlie Kirk's death.

00:19:35.920 I asked him when he thought he should pray to repent and ask Jesus to save him.

00:19:40.500 And he said, right now would be the best time.

00:19:44.240 She says, father, thank you for Charlie Kirk's legacy.

00:19:48.260 And then I saw this very interesting tweet from someone who posted a screenshot of her

00:19:56.200 conversation with a friend.

00:19:57.320 She said, my friend isn't religious, was not a Charlie Kirk follower.

00:20:00.900 Nothing that you tell me at this point will make me doubt that God is real.

00:20:04.820 So this person texted her, Kirk messed me up.

00:20:08.100 I dreamed about him last night, which is weird.

00:20:10.700 And she says, really?

00:20:12.100 I'm telling you, I barely listened to him.

00:20:13.620 And it felt like someone I was friends with was murdered.

00:20:16.620 And the person says, same.

00:20:18.680 And she said, I'm reading that it's happening to a bunch of people.

00:20:22.340 What did you dream?

00:20:23.220 She's talking about the dreams.

00:20:25.220 And he said, we were hanging out and talking.

00:20:28.680 And she said, about what?

00:20:29.980 And he just said, Jesus.

00:20:32.060 I'd be really interested to hear more stories of that, if that is the case for you.

00:20:36.760 So all over, I'm seeing these kinds of messages.

00:20:41.640 I mean, no doubt churches were fuller yesterday than they were the previous Sunday.

00:20:45.360 I've heard that over and over again.

00:20:47.000 I heard from so many of you that your pews were fuller, that there were spontaneous baptisms

00:20:52.900 at your church, that people walked down to the altar and gave their lives to Christ,

00:20:57.880 that you've had atheist, agnostic, seeking friends reach out to you, asking to come to church

00:21:03.400 with you, I mean, what an honor, Charlie.

00:21:07.060 Look at what God allowed your life and death to accomplish.

00:21:11.000 Look at how many people God is bringing to him because you were obedient.

00:21:15.120 What a testimony.

00:21:16.620 I hope all of us have that testimony.

00:21:19.200 I saw this terrible video.

00:21:21.800 There's a lot of terrible videos out there.

00:21:23.180 I don't recommend watching them.

00:21:26.020 And so it's probably just better to stay off of Acts and stay off of TikTok so you don't

00:21:30.200 accidentally run into them.

00:21:31.800 But this very normal looking woman, which is why it's more disturbing, on TikTok, she

00:21:37.300 was celebrating his death and she said, Charlie Kirk is not martyr material and very few people

00:21:42.360 will be impacted.

00:21:43.780 What a sad, small person and how wrong she is.

00:21:48.140 I just I'm just going to play you back to back these vigils for Charlie around the world.

00:21:53.480 And like this is the tiniest sliver.

00:21:55.980 I couldn't play you all of them.

00:21:57.440 It'd probably take 30 minutes even just to play the clips.

00:22:00.760 Watch just a few of these vigils for Charlie around the world.

00:22:04.800 We've got Sydney, Australia, Boise, Idaho, New York City, Dallas Cowboys game.

00:22:09.600 I mean, there were so many more that I don't even have time to play you.

00:22:13.280 This is incredible.

00:22:13.940 And we've got a lot of people around the world now who resonate with you, that they will

00:22:21.220 put aside the differences so bad, that they will unite.

00:22:25.260 Do it for Charlie, everybody.

00:22:45.220 I knew that Charlie was popular.

00:23:06.480 I knew that he had a lot of followers and he had a huge appeal.

00:23:10.860 But the people I am seeing globally in every sector of society speaking up, it's it's

00:23:18.020 unfathomable.

00:23:19.540 Morgan Wallen honored Charlie at his concert.

00:23:22.020 So did Coldplay.

00:23:23.140 And I think that's pretty amazing.

00:23:24.960 Country concerts you kind of think are more conservative.

00:23:27.380 But I thought it was cool that Coldplay did this.

00:23:29.800 Here's that clip.

00:23:30.440 And so, with that in mind, for the final time, for a few years in London, let's raise

00:23:36.240 our hands like this and send love anywhere you want to send it in the world.

00:23:40.880 And there are so many places that might need it today.

00:23:43.360 So here it comes from London.

00:23:45.400 You can send this to your brother or your sister.

00:23:47.180 You can send it to the families of people who've been going through terrible stuff.

00:23:50.620 You can send it to Charlie Kirk's family.

00:23:52.280 You can send it to anybody's family.

00:23:53.640 You can send it to people you disagree with, but you send them love anyway.

00:23:56.780 You can send it to peaceful people in the Middle East, in Ukraine, in Russia, in Azerbaijan,

00:24:01.420 in Sudan, in Somalia, anywhere that you think might need love from London.

00:24:05.280 Here it comes.

00:24:06.180 In five, four, three, two, one, go.

00:24:14.560 Last night, there was a vigil at the Kennedy Center in D.C.

00:24:19.260 It's a huge deal.

00:24:20.940 Just look at this.

00:24:22.120 All these people lined up, all of these people waiting to go in.

00:24:26.780 There were thousands of people.

00:24:28.380 It was a packed house inside.

00:24:29.920 A thousand-plus people waiting outside.

00:24:32.400 Look at this picture.

00:24:33.280 We'll put it up of all these people in the Kennedy Center worshiping, honoring Charlie,

00:24:38.720 sharing his Christian faith.

00:24:41.320 And then watch this happening at the Kennedy Center.

00:24:44.420 I saw it, too.

00:24:46.960 To follow Jesus, no turning back, no turning back.

00:25:00.320 So beautiful.

00:25:01.480 I also thought that this, posted by Andrew Colvett, was really cool.

00:25:04.520 This pilot, they, like, I guess created, he flew in a way that created a cross and a C and a K,

00:25:13.540 just to honor Charlie's top three.

00:25:15.420 The pilot paid his own tribute to Kirk this morning.

00:25:18.040 Around 6.30 a.m., a flight tracking software shows the pilot flew in this pattern near Phoenix,

00:25:24.160 creating a cross with a C and a K.

00:25:27.240 They landed about an hour after taking off.

00:25:29.660 That's just incredible.

00:25:33.100 It's been amazing to see how much worship this has inspired.

00:25:39.100 Evil, too.

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00:26:38.260 I personally have witnessed the body of Christ come together in incredible ways.

00:26:43.080 The number of people who have reached out to me just because I was his friend and because

00:26:48.040 I say the same things that Charlie did has been incredibly humbling.

00:26:52.940 People I haven't talked to in years, people I had no idea were remotely political telling

00:26:57.600 me that they feel like it's like they lost a family member.

00:27:02.140 I mean, they've offered prayers and encouragement and support.

00:27:06.580 And I just want to say, because I know a lot of you are worried about me.

00:27:10.060 You're worried about my safety.

00:27:11.400 And to that, I just ask you to pray for us.

00:27:15.820 Chief Related Bro and I are not stupid.

00:27:18.380 We are not naive at all.

00:27:20.420 We are extremely cautious at all times.

00:27:23.720 But I also want you to take heart that God is taking care of me and taking care of us through

00:27:30.180 his people.

00:27:30.960 I had someone reach out to me last week that I had not talked to in 15 years.

00:27:35.220 And he offered security for us this weekend as we traveled for a speaking engagement to

00:27:41.620 Nevada.

00:27:42.160 It was a pro-life gala.

00:27:43.580 I was scared to go.

00:27:45.480 But my husband and this guy stepped up and they ensured that we were totally and completely

00:27:51.780 covered, even more than usual.

00:27:53.820 You always have security, but even more than usual, every step of the way.

00:27:57.560 And because of that, I was able to give everyone at that banquet the courage they needed.

00:28:01.700 And I will share some of what I told them on Wednesday.

00:28:05.540 Wednesday's episode is going to be super, super important, our theology episode, that

00:28:10.720 the people in the audience on Friday, they were affected by the death of this person they

00:28:15.500 didn't know.

00:28:16.040 I mean, we all felt it.

00:28:17.000 It was thick in the room.

00:28:18.360 Like, it was very somber.

00:28:20.700 They applauded and cheered as soon as I said Charlie's name.

00:28:25.680 The sadness in that room, the need for courage, for hope was just palpable.

00:28:30.400 You could have heard a pin drop for the entire 45 minutes of my speech.

00:28:35.160 And it's not because of me.

00:28:36.800 I just could feel the Holy Spirit who wanted these people to hear words of courage.

00:28:44.160 So God is working again.

00:28:46.160 He's bringing his people together.

00:28:47.800 He is working in and through us.

00:28:51.460 And I'm just, I'm so, I'm so grateful.

00:28:55.040 I'm so grateful for that.

00:28:56.320 There are so many tributes to Charlie, so many people sharing videos of him, sharing

00:29:02.500 the gospel.

00:29:03.320 There's so many, but I loved this one.

00:29:05.200 Stop four.

00:29:06.180 Your relationship with Christ is real and truer when you understand the stakes of the damn

00:29:12.520 nation that you were saved from.

00:29:14.340 So what is the right message?

00:29:15.520 Is it Jesus loves you or is that God condemns you?

00:29:18.680 It should be that you need Jesus.

00:29:20.160 Needs to be the one-two combo.

00:29:21.940 So there's so much more in that clip that I didn't have time to play where he explains

00:29:26.300 just the fullness of the gospel and what God is saving us from and to in Christ.

00:29:32.560 Turning Point has seen an unbelievable surge in numbers.

00:29:36.480 They have received over 32,000 chapter requests since Charlie's death.

00:29:41.360 32,000 individuals from thousands of high schools and colleges have reached out to start a

00:29:45.620 Turning Point chapter.

00:29:47.120 Um, I saw this left-wing outlet that said that Charlie Kirk's not going to become a martyr

00:29:53.500 because people are going to forget about it.

00:29:55.700 And while it's true that we're not all going to be crying the same amount in a couple weeks,

00:30:01.560 besides, of course, his family and those who knew him very, very well, this misunderstands

00:30:07.360 martyrdom and it misunderstands momentum.

00:30:10.800 Um, every avalanche has a trigger, a skier, wind, a sudden shift in temperature.

00:30:20.480 But after it starts, it's no longer the trigger that keeps it going.

00:30:24.860 It's everything else.

00:30:25.820 The snow, the slope, the perfect storm of factors that make an avalanche unstoppable.

00:30:32.000 The trigger for the avalanche this time was Charlie's assassination.

00:30:36.460 But even after we've shed all of our tears, the momentum will continue to accelerate.

00:30:42.240 And I think Erica Kirk, Charlie's wife, made that really clear.

00:30:47.600 She gave a very brave, very moving speech on Turning Point's YouTube channel.

00:30:53.480 And she clarified that Turning Point is not going anywhere.

00:30:57.460 It's going to be bigger and better than ever.

00:31:00.900 Here's top five.

00:31:01.560 Charlie, I promise I will never let your legacy die, baby.

00:31:07.360 I won't.

00:31:07.920 I promise I'll make Turning Point USA the biggest thing that this nation has ever seen.

00:31:14.700 I promise.

00:31:17.680 Charlie, I love you.

00:31:19.940 I love you, baby.

00:31:21.040 Rest in the arms of our Lord as he blankets you with the words, I know your heart always strives to hear.

00:31:33.000 Well done, my good and faithful servant.

00:31:37.140 Ma'am, now if you're a progressive, you might scoff at that.

00:31:40.840 But if you're smart, you might be a bit worried.

00:31:44.320 And honestly, you should be.

00:31:46.560 You should be.

00:31:47.320 Someone from your side, yes, every shred of evidence we have, that is the case, killed the most admired and best liked and most congenial and peaceable, agreeable person on the right.

00:31:59.180 The person leading the way and trying to turn down the temperature with discussion and debate.

00:32:04.220 He was murdered for that.

00:32:06.240 I mean, Charlie was in so many ways the force that held back some of the worst people.

00:32:13.720 Like, he was a gatekeeper in so many ways.

00:32:16.920 And now you've got people who are having a different kind of discussion.

00:32:23.280 They're having a different kind of suggestion for how we move forward.

00:32:30.780 Stephen Miller is very good friends with Charlie Kirk.

00:32:33.680 I think Stephen Miller is, like, the best at things like this, at just communicating the toughness that is necessary for perilous moments like this.

00:32:41.560 And this, I'm not including him in extreme voices.

00:32:46.380 I'm just letting you know that there is a conversation now that is very different than the one that was happening a week ago publicly.

00:32:57.540 Here's thought six.

00:32:58.300 The last message that Charlie Kirk gave to me before he joined his creator in heaven was he said that we have to dismantle and take on the radical left organizations in this country that are fomenting violence.

00:33:14.960 That was the last message that he sent me before that assassin stole him from all of us.

00:33:21.460 And we are going to do that under President Trump's leadership.

00:33:25.480 I don't care how.

00:33:26.540 It could be a RICO charge, a conspiracy charge, conspiracy against the United States, insurrection.

00:33:32.740 But we are going to do what it takes to dismantle the organizations and the entities that are fomenting riots, that are doxing, that are trying to inspire terrorism, that are committing acts of wanton violence.

00:33:45.520 It has to stop.

00:33:46.520 And my message is to all of the domestic terrorists in this country spreading this evil hate, you want us to live in fear?

00:33:54.280 We will not live in fear, but you will live in exile.

00:33:56.980 That's absolutely right.

00:34:00.040 As they should.

00:34:01.680 I'm just letting you know where we are, that these hotbeds of radicalization, Reddit, Discord, Tumblr, like they're going to be under intense scrutiny.

00:34:13.760 Michael Knowles had a great post about the tightening guardrails of the marketplace of ideas, because in order to have liberty, you have to have order.

00:34:21.400 You have to have rules.

00:34:22.440 I agree with Michael.

00:34:23.800 I don't know exactly what that looks like.

00:34:26.080 That'll be up to policy wonks that are more learned on this than I am.

00:34:33.300 But I agree with that.

00:34:34.620 Obviously, something has gone off rails here.

00:34:37.240 And it'd be one thing if it was just a guy, if it was just one person.

00:34:40.760 But I mean, just a couple days after Charlie Kirk was murdered, we have a Democratic congresswoman who is slandering him, calling him a racist.

00:34:52.740 Here's thought seven.

00:34:53.380 Charlie was someone who was willing to debate and downplay the death of George Floyd in the hands of Minneapolis police.

00:35:02.900 I think he called him a scumbag.

00:35:04.300 Right.

00:35:04.660 Have no regard.

00:35:06.520 Downplay slavery and what black people have gone through in this country.

00:35:12.180 What are you even saying?

00:35:14.220 She goes on to call him all kinds of ists and phobes and names and all of that.

00:35:18.840 Really?

00:35:19.580 After a young wife was widowed?

00:35:21.620 Widowed after two kids are now going to grow up fatherless because someone who follows your same ideology shot him, killed him?

00:35:32.140 Really?

00:35:33.000 I mean, that is radical.

00:35:34.380 I think people like her should be kept far as far away from power and influence as possible.

00:35:39.020 I think people like that are dangerous, wicked people.

00:35:41.500 And it's not because they disagree with me.

00:35:43.540 There's a lot of people who disagree, but because they celebrate and you could say she's not celebrating there.

00:35:49.980 But that is, I think, equivalent to excusing what happened to him.

00:35:54.620 And you can't say, oh, I'm against violence.

00:35:57.240 But let me lodge against them the worst possible insults to foment the same kind of hate that motivated his death.

00:36:07.620 Not every Democrat has responded this way.

00:36:09.760 I just want to say that there have been some really strong statements.

00:36:13.440 I thought Bernie Sanders put out a really strong statement better than a lot of pastors I saw, better than a lot of professing Christians.

00:36:19.180 Bernie Sanders is an atheist.

00:36:20.960 OK, he's a progressive.

00:36:22.120 He had a strong statement.

00:36:23.300 I appreciated that.

00:36:24.180 Gavin Newsom, it's hard for me to say, but he had a pretty strong statement.

00:36:29.000 It doesn't mean I think that they're good people, but I respect their ability to put out strong condemnations of violence and extend sympathy to a family.

00:36:38.760 A conservative on X is making an ongoing list of people who have unapologetically celebrated publicly Charlie Kirk's death.

00:36:46.140 She has first names, last names, where they work.

00:36:48.400 I mean, they put this publicly out there.

00:36:50.120 OK, so it's out there.

00:36:52.760 And they put their name on celebrating on TikTok, on social media, the death of this person and saying he deserved it.

00:36:59.020 We're not just talking about people who disagreed with him.

00:37:00.900 OK, most of these people on this list, teachers, professors, therapists and nurses.

00:37:06.120 Yikes.

00:37:06.880 There's a whole analysis that we could give of that.

00:37:10.460 But a lot of these people are now posting that they lost their jobs.

00:37:13.680 I say good.

00:37:15.440 It's 100 percent the right move.

00:37:16.720 It's a character thing.

00:37:17.840 Like if you are my employee, you're representing me, you're representing my business, you're representing my hospital and you have now hurt my reputation.

00:37:26.140 You have brought me into disrepute.

00:37:27.700 And plus, I don't think that if you have that character that you should be around vulnerable people, that you should be around children.

00:37:34.200 Like it is a liability in so many ways.

00:37:37.400 And so it's not about cancel culture.

00:37:39.780 It's about saying you have proven that you do not have the character and ability to carry out this job so you can't do it anymore.

00:37:46.680 And there have been, for example, Clemson University who have given very weak statements, have not fired the people that they should fire.

00:37:53.360 And we should raise a respectful ruckus for that.

00:37:55.640 And we should put respectful and peaceful pressure on those institutions to do the right thing.

00:38:00.340 It should be socially unacceptable to celebrate the assassination of someone, of anyone, but someone just because you disagreed with him, because he said true things that hurt your feelings, you're going to celebrate a father of two being murdered publicly?

00:38:16.520 No, no, there have to be a social consequences for that, period.

00:38:22.080 And you see some of these videos and these horrid reactions and you think, okay, like, this is what I was saying yesterday.

00:38:29.300 I was like, I understand the flood now.

00:38:31.060 I get it.

00:38:32.220 Like Noah's Ark, that whole thing that people are like, oh, how could God do that?

00:38:36.020 Can't you kind of see it?

00:38:37.320 Like the death of human depravity is jaw dropping.

00:38:40.720 And how merciful is God actually to have wiped wicked people off the planet and then preserve Noah and his family and all of those animals?

00:38:47.780 That was really kind of God.

00:38:49.120 It was a lie, by the way, when you heard from the Biden administration that violence in this country is mostly because of white supremacists.

00:38:55.380 Like, it's laughable.

00:38:57.040 It's laughable.

00:38:58.160 Like, if that were the case, don't you think you'd hear about it?

00:39:00.680 Don't you think you'd hear about it?

00:39:02.360 Whether it is the assault on pregnancy centers that happened after the Dobbs decision, whether it is the baseball field shooting of Steve Scalise,

00:39:12.480 who shot and tried and almost killed Steve Scalise because of this left wing radical's beliefs about health care and what he thought about Republicans.

00:39:20.420 The Covenant Christian school shooting, Annunciation, Catholic church shooting in Minnesota, Trump's attempted assassination, now the assassination of Charlie Kirk.

00:39:28.000 Like, I could go on and on.

00:39:29.680 None by white supremacists.

00:39:31.060 None by right wingers.

00:39:32.220 In fact, a lot of these were by people who identified as transgender or in the case of Charlie's murder, was living with this romantic partner who called themselves trans, which, by the way, is confirmed.

00:39:44.660 It is confirmed.

00:39:45.740 It was confirmed by Governor Spencer Cox of Utah via the FBI.

00:39:50.880 So let's play saw eight.

00:39:51.680 His roommate was indeed a boyfriend who is transitioning from from male to female.

00:39:58.980 That's that's information that the FBI had had mentioned yesterday.

00:40:02.960 We can confirm that as well and that that that he is cooperating with with authorities as well.

00:40:11.480 OK, so let me just pause for a second.

00:40:14.180 I just need to pause from going off on my rant and just talk about who this person was.

00:40:20.400 I'm not going to put up a picture.

00:40:21.460 I'm not going to say this person's name, but I want to dispel rumors here that this murderer was a Trump loving conservative.

00:40:27.800 By the way, if he was a Trump loving conservative, I would have no problem condemning him, no problem condemning this violence just as fiercely as I am now, knowing that he is a left wing radical.

00:40:37.760 The fact of the matter is he wasn't a conservative.

00:40:39.980 He was raised by Republicans, apparently not hard to believe, considering the father did the noble thing of turning him in after seeing these pictures of the suspect.

00:40:49.320 But according to The Guardian, according to CNN, according to The New York Times, he has no voting history.

00:40:55.600 He said that Charlie Kirk was, quote, full of hate and spreading hate.

00:40:59.600 He was critical of Trump.

00:41:01.600 He was linked.

00:41:02.640 This is now documented to far left Antifa online communities on Discord and Reddit.

00:41:08.780 On his bulletin cases were things like, hey, fascist catch and Bella Chow, which are both mottos of anti-fascist groups online.

00:41:18.740 Utah Governor Spencer Cox acknowledged that in the investigation, they have found that he was deeply indoctrinated with left wing ideology.

00:41:25.900 And no doubt, living with someone who is transitioning, who has the wrong hormones being pumped into their body, played a part in this.

00:41:34.160 Like, Charlie was shot right as he was answering a question about transviolence.

00:41:38.420 It's crazy.

00:41:40.180 And I just want to pause for a second and remind you that every time you use someone's preferred pronouns that don't match their biology,

00:41:48.080 you are affirming and accelerating the gender ideology that is responsible for this violent and murderous insanity.

00:41:59.020 The social affirmation, which leads to cross-sex hormones and puberty blockers and surgeries, are psychosis-inducing and demonic and leading to violence among this population.

00:42:09.120 These are not one-offs.

00:42:10.780 This is inherent in transgender activism and ideology.

00:42:13.740 And because this is what Charlie was talking about when he was shot in the throat, pray for me.

00:42:22.040 The truth matters.

00:42:23.800 Two plus two equals four.

00:42:25.520 A man can never become a woman.

00:42:27.720 You can't be born in the wrong body.

00:42:29.640 It's not possible to identify as anything other than what you biologically are.

00:42:33.740 I will not live a lie.

00:42:36.240 I will not move on this even one centimeter.

00:42:39.300 Because that is just as much a biblical reality as it is a biological one.

00:42:44.120 And I am not nicer than God.

00:42:46.520 I'm not wiser than him.

00:42:47.560 I'm not more compassionate than him.

00:42:49.240 So if he said it, I agree with it.

00:42:50.600 And if you are too scared to say that clearly and publicly, then it's not politics you're ashamed of.

00:42:56.880 It is God himself.

00:42:59.580 The Bible makes this abundantly clear.

00:43:03.080 We are made in God's image.

00:43:04.720 End of story.

00:43:05.340 You know, when people say that Charlie wasn't a martyr, he was just MAGA.

00:43:12.340 He just supported Donald Trump.

00:43:13.940 That's not the same thing as dying for your Christian faith.

00:43:17.880 Charlie shared the gospel everywhere he went.

00:43:20.620 I talked to his innermost circle this week who said he had been studying the Bible so fervently,

00:43:24.880 especially for the past six months to get ready for this college tour, because that's what he wanted to do.

00:43:28.920 He wanted to be a better evangelist.

00:43:30.660 He wanted to be a better apologist.

00:43:32.100 He always told people about Jesus's love everywhere he went.

00:43:37.420 Here's thought 18.

00:43:38.540 Thank you guys for a respectful conversation, even though we see things very differently.

00:43:42.040 And if you're engaged in the creation of that content, I think God has a better plan for you.

00:43:46.420 I know that might sound preachy and not what you want to hear, but maybe you'll have an encounter with God,

00:43:50.340 and Jesus loves all of you, and he can transform your life.

00:43:53.420 He transformed my life.

00:43:54.460 And every day is a new day, and it's a hopeful, beautiful life ahead of you.

00:43:58.000 And God loves every single one of us.

00:43:59.560 We're all sinners, and Jesus died for us.

00:44:01.780 I mean, you've definitely been the most respectful one that I've seen.

00:44:05.000 Well, thank you.

00:44:05.580 That's very kind.

00:44:07.360 And I can tell you, it's not me.

00:44:08.880 If it was me, I'd be yelling and screaming.

00:44:10.960 It's the Holy Spirit.

00:44:11.920 It really is.

00:44:12.480 I know it might sound silly.

00:44:13.460 It might sound cliche, but Jesus has gone to work on my life.

00:44:16.720 And so God bless you guys.

00:44:17.860 Thank you for a great discussion.

00:44:18.600 Charlie, thank you for coming.

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00:44:27.240 I mean, how many of us, how many of his critics out there would have been that bold and that loving and that gentle?

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00:46:08.240 I've known that for a long time, okay?

00:46:10.420 And it's very obvious in how she talks, what she says, what she doesn't say.

00:46:14.500 And I know exactly this is what she does.

00:46:15.920 She says something, and then when she gets criticism for it, she says that she is then getting, like, the threats.

00:46:22.000 And so that shuts down the rest of her criticism.

00:46:24.600 First of all, no one should get threats ever.

00:46:26.720 Do not send a disrespectful or a mean message or comment to anyone.

00:46:29.920 Never threaten.

00:46:30.900 Don't ever do that.

00:46:32.140 Like, use your brain.

00:46:33.860 Use your logic.

00:46:35.300 Use grace to speak the truth unflinchingly.

00:46:38.340 Don't ever be disrespectful or rude or threatening in any way.

00:46:42.100 But that is also not a reason to shut down fair criticism, okay?

00:46:45.480 Sharon says so.

00:46:46.480 She decided just two days after Charlie Kirk was murdered that she was going to list all of his most controversial quotes without context to clearly make the point that Charlie was a racist and to try to justify people who are like, oh, I can't honor Charlie Kirk because he was a racist and he said all of these things.

00:47:06.000 And so she went through all these things that he apparently said, okay?

00:47:10.800 So she's got this post.

00:47:11.880 It says, Charlie Kirk in his own words.

00:47:15.320 And then it's, I've seen many comments to the effect of, Charlie was so kind to everyone.

00:47:20.700 All he did was preach the gospel.

00:47:22.940 But then she said, but if you're black or LGBTQ or Muslim, Charlie Kirk was not a person who engaged in good faith.

00:47:28.680 Here are some of his direct quotes, which I took the time to watch or read in full so as to understand them in context.

00:47:34.440 Okay, Sharon says so.

00:47:36.000 She says so.

00:47:36.980 So you don't need to watch them or understand them in context.

00:47:40.780 She did it for you.

00:47:42.180 Just trust Sharon says so.

00:47:43.920 She said, so she quotes him.

00:47:47.120 If I see a black pilot, I'm going to be like, boy, I hope he's qualified.

00:47:51.140 She says this casts suspicion on all black professionals.

00:47:54.600 She quotes him saying if I'm dealing with somebody in customer service who's a moronic black woman, I wonder, is she there because of her excellence or is she there because of affirmative action?

00:48:03.460 She also quotes him saying Islam is not compatible with Western civilization.

00:48:08.720 Islam is the sword the left is using to slit the throat of America.

00:48:13.100 Okay, so these are the kinds of quotes that she uses to say that Charlie Kirk is a mean, bad racist and that that is why people cannot just honor him in death or just give condolences.

00:48:26.480 Just give condolences to the family.

00:48:28.300 Like that is also an option.

00:48:29.740 Okay, so Julie Borowski, she took the time on X to put all of these quotes in context.

00:48:37.180 And I just want to I'm not going to read them all in full to you.

00:48:40.360 I will link this Twitter thread in the description of this episode, but I will do the best I can.

00:48:45.220 Like I will read as much context as possible.

00:48:48.080 And you know what?

00:48:48.600 Don't take it from me because this this is not called Ali says so.

00:48:52.220 As I always say, don't take it from me.

00:48:54.420 Like, listen to me.

00:48:55.640 I hope that I'm a springboard for you, but go go watch all of his shows.

00:48:59.100 Go listen to all of his stuff.

00:49:00.580 You can deduce what you want to deduce.

00:49:02.760 But she did not give the context that is necessary.

00:49:05.780 And this is so disgusting and dishonorable to a man who was just assassinated for saying what is true.

00:49:12.620 So a lot of people also have quoted Second Amendment thing where he said, I think it's worth to have a cost of unfortunately some gun deaths.

00:49:20.700 And I just want to point this out.

00:49:21.920 I don't think Sharon says so said this, but he said some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our God given rights.

00:49:29.380 So he actually says this is in full context.

00:49:33.080 He says the Second Amendment is not about hunting.

00:49:35.260 I love hunting.

00:49:36.260 The Second Amendment is not about personal defense.

00:49:38.720 It is about so you can defend yourself against a tyrannical government.

00:49:44.020 If you think that that's radical, then read any of the literature of our founding fathers and the 20th century.

00:49:51.600 Now, we must also be real.

00:49:54.320 We must be honest with the population.

00:49:56.420 Having an armed citizenry comes with a price, and that is part of liberty.

00:50:01.360 Driving comes with a price.

00:50:03.280 50,000 people die on the road every year.

00:50:05.980 That is a price.

00:50:07.440 If you get rid of driving, you would have 50,000 fewer auto fatalities.

00:50:12.300 But we as a society have decided that the benefit of driving, speed, accessibility, mobility is worth the cost of having 50,000 people dying on the road.

00:50:23.860 And so then he goes on to how do we reduce?

00:50:25.740 How do we stop school shootings?

00:50:27.340 How do we stop shootings at baseball games?

00:50:29.720 Because we have armed guards outside of baseball games.

00:50:32.220 That's why.

00:50:33.180 How did we stop all the shootings at airports?

00:50:35.140 We have armed guards outside the airports.

00:50:36.760 So he goes on to give solutions.

00:50:38.200 He's not saying that he wants children to die.

00:50:40.540 He's not saying that he wants people to be shot.

00:50:42.880 He is saying everything comes with a cost.

00:50:45.320 Every bit of liberty comes with a risk and comes with a cost.

00:50:48.580 And I just want to say, by the way, and this, again, is outside of Sharon Says So, but if you are calling him a – he can't be a fascist and a Second Amendment advocate.

00:50:58.660 Okay?

00:50:59.020 Because fascists advocate for disarming the populace and making sure only the government has guns.

00:51:05.280 He is literally saying the opposite.

00:51:06.880 Okay?

00:51:07.480 So think just a little bit.

00:51:09.240 People are also pointing out this empathy quote where he said, I can't stand the word empathy.

00:51:14.040 I'm not even going to get into that right now.

00:51:15.640 He says we should use sympathy.

00:51:17.500 And you know how I feel about that term.

00:51:21.780 He – okay, this black pilot.

00:51:24.300 He said, if I see a black pilot, I'm going to be like, boy, I hope he's qualified.

00:51:28.400 I'm sorry.

00:51:29.080 You know, he says, I'm sorry.

00:51:31.580 Andrew Colvett says, but you wouldn't have said that before.

00:51:34.860 And Charlie Kirk says, that's not who I am.

00:51:37.520 That's not what I believe.

00:51:38.740 It creates this unhealthy thinking pattern.

00:51:40.480 He's talking about DEI and affirmative action.

00:51:42.900 He says, I don't want to think that way.

00:51:44.320 And no one should, right?

00:51:45.920 And he said to Megyn Kelly, I was trying to be very vulnerable with the audience.

00:51:49.800 That DEI invites this very unwholesome thinking.

00:51:53.240 He says in the clip, that's not who I am.

00:51:55.140 That's not what I believe.

00:51:56.520 But DEI makes us the worst versions of ourselves.

00:52:00.800 The point of what I'm trying to say is that now I look at everything through a hyper-racialized

00:52:04.600 diversity quota lens because of their massive insistence to try to hit those ridiculous

00:52:09.820 racial hiring quotas.

00:52:11.520 Of course, I believe anybody of any skin color can become a qualified pilot.

00:52:17.760 And of course, that is true.

00:52:20.060 Of course, that is true.

00:52:21.260 When you have something like United Airlines saying we have to have 50% of all of our pilots

00:52:27.940 be people of color and women, and you know that at best you've got 20% in all pilot schools

00:52:35.520 that are women and people of color, you're kind of like, okay, the math is not, the math

00:52:41.760 is not mathing.

00:52:42.640 Now, when he talks about moronic black women, I'm sure he's also talked about moronic white

00:52:47.780 women.

00:52:48.320 Maybe you don't like that tone.

00:52:49.700 Maybe you don't like what he said, but he's not saying all black people are dumb.

00:52:53.840 He was never like that.

00:52:55.420 He was not a racist.

00:52:56.880 He loved all people, but he was against affirmative action.

00:53:00.100 He was against anything that was not merit-based.

00:53:03.120 And some people, regardless of their skin color, are moronic.

00:53:06.580 Like when he was talking about Joy Reid and Kamala Harris, like they have said some very

00:53:11.460 moronic, depraved things.

00:53:13.760 Like he didn't say they're not made in the image of God and they shouldn't have rights,

00:53:16.600 but he's saying they probably shouldn't be where they are because they didn't actually

00:53:19.820 earn it.

00:53:20.760 When he talks about Islam not being compatible on the whole with Western civilization, I

00:53:29.440 mean, spot the lie.

00:53:31.580 The greatest terrorist attack on our nation was perpetrated by Islamists.

00:53:35.080 There are peaceful individual Muslims.

00:53:36.860 He would say that all the time, but Islam inherently is violent-based.

00:53:39.840 It is jihad-based.

00:53:41.880 That is its entire history.

00:53:43.620 The American system was based originally on Christianity.

00:53:46.540 The first major war America waged was against Muslims, the first Barbary War.

00:53:51.300 Those Americans understood the future of Western civilization.

00:53:55.380 They understood that it depended upon protecting their people from Islam.

00:53:59.600 That's not radical.

00:54:01.220 That is not a radical belief that has been known for a very long time.

00:54:06.620 And you know, whether or not you agree with what he said, whether or not you think he's

00:54:09.820 he had the right tone or the nice words, whatever, picking apart and decontextualizing everything

00:54:16.480 that someone said that you find offensive two days after they die is disgusting.

00:54:22.160 It is an invitation for Charlie's dissenters to justify their callousness towards his assassination.

00:54:29.560 And I would never do that.

00:54:30.720 I would never do that to Sharon says so.

00:54:32.580 I would never do that to my political enemies, period.

00:54:35.280 Here's what I said when Ruth Bader Ginsburg was in the hospital in 2018.

00:54:43.140 I said, Ruth Bader Ginsburg is relentless.

00:54:45.520 Serious respect for her toughness and praying for her recovery.

00:54:48.860 So not difficult that even the person that all of these people think is so evil and so

00:54:54.140 callous, like he gave a better and more respectful response to Ruth Bader Ginsburg's death than

00:54:59.980 they did toward Charlie Kirk.

00:55:01.160 And I promise you, they were just as much enemies as you are, as liberals are with Charlie

00:55:08.180 Kirk.

00:55:08.540 Here's Sat 9.

00:55:11.320 She just died?

00:55:13.980 Well, I didn't know that.

00:55:17.520 I just, you're telling me now for the first time.

00:55:21.980 She led an amazing life.

00:55:24.820 What else can you say?

00:55:25.960 She was an amazing woman, whether you agreed or not, she was an amazing woman who led an

00:55:32.300 amazing life.

00:55:34.640 I'm actually sad to hear that.

00:55:37.080 I am sad to hear that.

00:55:38.440 Thank you very much.

00:55:41.020 I promise you, I disagree with RBG just as fiercely as progressive disagree with Charlie

00:55:47.120 Kirk.

00:55:47.460 I think her ideas were deeply harmful, caused violence and death against babies in the womb.

00:55:52.440 Absolutely reprehensible.

00:55:53.880 But she's a person.

00:55:56.000 She was made in God's image.

00:55:57.420 She lived a remarkable life.

00:55:59.200 And she left behind people who loved her.

00:56:01.840 Like, it is so not hard.

00:56:03.300 It is so not hard to be a decent person when someone passes.

00:56:07.500 You've got inside thoughts.

00:56:08.740 You keep them inside.

00:56:10.320 But unfortunately, some people just cannot muster that strength.

00:56:15.360 Even people who call themselves Christians.

00:56:17.380 Emmanuel Akko, he hosted that Uncomfortable Conversations with a Black Man.

00:56:22.040 And I think he perpetuated all kinds of insanity, especially during 2020.

00:56:27.520 Well, he has something to say a couple of days after Charlie Kirk was assassinated.

00:56:31.700 Satin.

00:56:32.500 Refer to Asian individuals by the C word, a word too violent for me to even utter.

00:56:37.160 Refer to Michelle Obama and Ketanji Brown Jackson of the Supreme Court, both Harvard graduates,

00:56:41.780 as not having the brain processing power to be taken seriously.

00:56:44.920 Suggested that if seeing a Black pilot, would assume they were a DEI hire.

00:56:51.400 To my white brothers and sisters, I'm genuinely asking, how would you like your minority friends

00:56:56.900 to respond to the celebration of his life?

00:56:59.960 Not to his death, but to the celebration of his life.

00:57:03.180 Okay, can I just correct something for a second?

00:57:07.140 So he plays this video of Charlie Kirk saying, I can't even say it because I'm like, now someone's

00:57:14.740 going to like clip this out and they're going to say me saying it.

00:57:17.220 He is saying someone's name.

00:57:19.260 That is someone's name that he is talking to in the audience.

00:57:22.020 He is not saying a derogatory term for Chinese people.

00:57:25.600 My gosh, that is so evil.

00:57:27.740 He is talking to Chink Unger.

00:57:29.720 Okay, I think that's how you pronounce his last name.

00:57:31.760 He is a left-wing guy from the Young Turks who has actually had like a pretty decent

00:57:36.940 response to Charlie Kirk, but that he is saying someone's name that is so evil.

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00:58:49.540 Emmanuel Laco, okay, you have no place to talk about what Christians should or shouldn't

00:59:01.880 say.

00:59:02.440 Not right now.

00:59:03.660 Nope.

00:59:04.240 You have propelled the lies of white supremacy and white privilege.

00:59:07.120 You have talked about the murder of babies in the womb like it's some nuanced, complicated

00:59:11.760 issue, refusing to stand up for babies' right not to be murdered.

00:59:16.040 Those are image bearers of God.

00:59:17.740 And I just, I want you to ask yourself, I want you to ask yourself, before you go after

00:59:21.880 a man days after he was assassinated, have you lived above reproach?

00:59:26.800 Have you lived in sexual purity?

00:59:29.740 Have you handled your money correctly?

00:59:32.280 I don't know.

00:59:33.120 Can you honestly say that you live in a way, in private and in public, that people after

00:59:39.100 you die would say is above reproach?

00:59:41.540 Those are honest questions.

00:59:42.420 I don't know the answer to them.

00:59:43.800 But I'm just saying, do you want your sins, real or perceived, to be aired out on social

00:59:48.860 media?

00:59:49.800 I, someone who thinks that what you have propagated over the past few years actually is dangerous

00:59:54.980 because it affects policy that damages society, I would never do that to you.

00:59:59.380 Charlie would have never done that to you.

01:00:01.900 We went back and forth on Instagram after I said something about this video.

01:00:10.140 And you know what?

01:00:14.260 Christ can give him the grace that he needs, but I was not about to do a kumbaya.

01:00:19.720 I'm just not.

01:00:20.320 Like, you don't need forgiveness from me on that, but I'm not going to back down on that.

01:00:23.800 That was awful.

01:00:24.540 That was awful.

01:00:25.220 It was an awful thing to do, especially at this time.

01:00:28.080 Ben Watson is a pro-life activist.

01:00:32.800 I'm grateful for that.

01:00:34.080 He has done a lot of good work in that realm.

01:00:35.960 Very grateful.

01:00:37.080 But he's gotten into a lot of arguments with conservatives, including me, over things like

01:00:40.920 race and social justice.

01:00:42.120 We don't see eye to eye on quite a few things, and I don't like how he has talked about many

01:00:46.820 of those things.

01:00:47.460 So I was not at all surprised by his statement.

01:00:49.760 Many of you were, though, which is why you sent it to me.

01:00:53.480 You asked me to respond.

01:00:55.280 And so it's a long statement.

01:00:58.620 And again, I'll put all of it up.

01:01:00.420 You can read it.

01:01:01.200 I can't read it all, but you can go on there.

01:01:04.160 Zero desire to decontextualize anything he has to say.

01:01:07.400 So again, you can read the whole thing there.

01:01:09.820 He said, since hearing the murder of Charlie Kirk and seeing such unjustifiable graphic

01:01:13.300 violence, my heart has been torn in my spirit.

01:01:15.640 Uneasy.

01:01:16.080 He said he wasn't a fan or follower of Charlie.

01:01:18.500 He was aware of his influence.

01:01:20.060 He said that he respects his humanity and right to dialogue, but he says, my critique

01:01:25.520 of his words and opinions was pointed.

01:01:27.560 I found Charlie's verbal attacks on black men, women, and their achievement reprehensible

01:01:33.420 and utterly inexcusable.

01:01:35.200 His derogatory words were a form of violence and dehumanization.

01:01:42.360 He routinely amplified stereotypes and platformed prejudice, giving license to masses with similar

01:01:49.680 sentiments.

01:01:50.720 He did this while routinely proclaiming the name of Jesus.

01:01:55.380 He said that he's wrestling with this.

01:01:58.140 Charlie's record is reminiscent of an American Christianity that proclaimed freedom and hope

01:02:02.780 in Christ while clamping fetters of iron, law and tradition, and practice on black Americans.

01:02:09.560 Okay, so akin to people who own slaves, it is what abolitionist Frederick Douglass described

01:02:16.020 when he lamented the distinction between Christianity of Christ and the Christianity of the land.

01:02:21.380 Now he says, empathy compels me to understand the emotional outpouring of the millions who

01:02:25.260 identified with his conviction, saw him as a son, brother, leader, and friend.

01:02:28.480 I mourn with him, yet a faithful, honest recollection of his word cannot deny his errors,

01:02:32.220 and their harmful impact, not only on fellow image bearers and their families, including

01:02:35.880 my own, but to the truth of the gospel.

01:02:38.480 He said, it's no reason to celebrate.

01:02:40.580 It's an evil act.

01:02:42.420 Charlie was an image bearer.

01:02:44.360 I believe that he believes all of these things.

01:02:48.200 And obviously he said some things that are true, but let me just be honest.

01:02:51.440 I find this statement absolutely vile, cruel, callous, dehumanizing.

01:02:57.920 Behind all of that nuance, there is such truly, I believe, an ugliness here that is really wicked.

01:03:04.620 Number one, Charlie's words were violence, he says.

01:03:07.860 Like, I want to address that first of all.

01:03:09.740 I was gobsmacked when I saw that.

01:03:12.860 Let us take that statement to its logical conclusion.

01:03:16.240 If words are literally violence, are forms of violence, then killing someone for what they

01:03:21.440 say is self-defense.

01:03:22.520 And, like, I just want you to know that this line of thinking is exactly what got Charlie

01:03:28.480 Kirk killed.

01:03:29.940 That is very likely exactly what the person who murdered Charlie believed, that Charlie's

01:03:35.540 belief in, for example, the existence of male and female was so radical that it amounted

01:03:40.260 to violence.

01:03:41.420 I see this all over from transgender activists, that people denying the ability to transition

01:03:46.420 genders is the same as saying that trans people should all be murdered, so they're fighting

01:03:50.800 back.

01:03:51.300 Ben is, like them, whether he realizes it or not, saying words are violence.

01:03:56.460 But this time, it's Charlie's words about race and DEI.

01:04:00.440 Words are not violence.

01:04:02.080 Violence is violence.

01:04:03.480 If words and opinions are violence, Ben, then you are laying the groundwork for justifying

01:04:08.800 an out-and-out civil war, something I know you and I both don't want.

01:04:13.200 You have just added to the foundational justification for Charlie Kirk's assassination by saying that

01:04:18.660 his words are violence.

01:04:19.500 You could have said you didn't like his words.

01:04:21.300 You could have said that you disagreed.

01:04:22.540 I still don't think it's a good time to do that.

01:04:24.440 But instead, you said that his words were violence.

01:04:26.760 Shame on you.

01:04:28.280 Number two, Charlie was not hateful.

01:04:30.360 He was not prejudiced.

01:04:31.480 Not even a little bit.

01:04:32.700 If you listen to him as a whole, if you listen to him in context, you will see that he had

01:04:38.740 no animus toward any individuals.

01:04:40.460 But he did have a problem with how our system works when it comes to race.

01:04:44.760 And that is a belief that millions and millions of completely non-hateful Americans hold.

01:04:50.920 You cited nothing, Ben.

01:04:51.980 You gave no context.

01:04:53.120 You lodged these insults at a dead man for his widow and his children to read one day.

01:04:57.240 Number three, even if all of that were true, what Ben said, it is not the time.

01:05:05.200 You are allowed to have those thoughts.

01:05:08.960 But to add them to commentary two days after a husband and father and brother in Christ dies, why?

01:05:15.740 Number four, this is really important for us to remember.

01:05:18.680 Really important for all of us to remember, okay?

01:05:20.740 You are not perfect, okay, Ben?

01:05:24.060 You have said your fair share of things that people may find rude, offensive, and untrue.

01:05:30.800 Ben, if, God forbid, you are giving a speech, eloquently defending the dignity of unborn life like I've seen you do,

01:05:39.600 and some left-wing, degenerate, evil, demonic person attacks you,

01:05:43.540 leaving your wife widowed and your children without their daddy,

01:05:46.120 how would you like people to remember you?

01:05:48.340 What kind of pulse would you want your wife and your children to see one day?

01:05:54.060 I know exactly what I would say about you.

01:05:56.880 I would unequivocally condemn your murder.

01:05:59.020 I would pray fervently for your family.

01:06:00.880 I would point to all the wonderful, true things that you've said about life and the gospel.

01:06:05.420 I would think about what a huge loss is being felt by the people who love you,

01:06:09.280 and I would do what I could to honor you and honor them.

01:06:12.500 What I would not do, Ben, is bring up all of the times we've disagreed.

01:06:17.120 I would not bring up the time that you made fun of a fellow Christian and pro-lifer Virgil Walker

01:06:22.020 because you didn't like something he said about Charlie Dates.

01:06:24.840 I wouldn't bring up the time you told me that I am idolatrous because I called Barack Obama evil

01:06:29.340 for celebrating Roe v. Wade.

01:06:31.740 Let me remind you that you have been in bad form many times on social media over the past five years.

01:06:38.840 You have said things that are not becoming for a Christian.

01:06:41.100 Your support of certain ideas and justice policies, I believe, are actually very damaging for society.

01:06:48.680 Yet if you died, I would say nothing about any of those things.

01:06:52.000 Why?

01:06:52.660 Because as wrong as I think you are, as much as I think you have lacked in some ways self-control in online debates,

01:07:00.000 you are a person, presumably a brother in Christ,

01:07:03.140 and you have a wife who adores you and children who admire you and people who love you,

01:07:09.120 and they don't need to see accusations against your character right after you die because it helps nothing.

01:07:15.500 And you know what?

01:07:16.220 You know what I know for sure?

01:07:17.860 Charlie would have done the same.

01:07:19.700 He would have honored you.

01:07:20.700 If it had happened to you, Charlie would have come to your complete defense,

01:07:24.680 defended your honor, reached out to your family to see what he could do.

01:07:28.000 He would have highlighted that you and him shared the passion for the dignity of the unborn.

01:07:33.000 He would have kept no account of your wrongs nor held them against you.

01:07:36.900 But that's because Charlie was a really kind person, and he was filled with the Holy Spirit.

01:07:41.680 And Ben, I don't know if you realize how much Charlie actually did for the unborn.

01:07:48.200 I'm in a group text with Charlie and all these other pro-lifers,

01:07:51.960 and during the election and during the first days of the administration,

01:07:54.860 like we would advocate to Charlie, we'd be like, please tell Trump this.

01:07:58.700 Make sure that this person is there in front of them.

01:08:01.560 Make sure he knows this position on life.

01:08:03.780 And y'all, that was one of Charlie's top priorities,

01:08:07.040 to push and push and push the campaign and the administration toward life.

01:08:12.500 Now, he was only one person, and Trump has a mind of his own.

01:08:16.700 And so he did everything that he could to champion the cause of the unborn to this administration.

01:08:22.660 So even if you took issue with the other things that he said,

01:08:27.140 like, can we not just take a moment, I mean, maybe a week,

01:08:30.980 to show him the dignity and the respect that he deserves as a brother of Christ

01:08:35.000 and a fellow pro-lifer?

01:08:38.580 Man, I was so—I wasn't surprised, but man, I was so disappointed in that.

01:08:43.580 I know maybe some of you thought that it was fine.

01:08:46.360 And I mean, I thought that it was absolutely vile, timing, horrible, horrible,

01:08:51.980 just very calloused, in my opinion.

01:08:56.160 It's an option not to say anything.

01:08:58.760 I think that we should all be saying something,

01:09:01.000 but, you know, some people who didn't have an opinion on it

01:09:04.000 or maybe had a negative opinion,

01:09:05.680 they just didn't say anything.

01:09:07.020 More respect, but man.

01:09:09.340 To call someone without citation, without evidence, a racist.

01:09:13.920 Days after his poor wife buried him.

01:09:18.120 After his three-year-old asked her mom,

01:09:23.860 where's daddy?

01:09:25.920 And the mom has to stay on a work trip with Jesus days after that?

01:09:30.400 Call a man a racist?

01:09:33.040 That's not nuanced.

01:09:35.040 That's just mean.

01:09:37.020 And I'm not okay with it.

01:09:40.960 There are so many videos I could play of people,

01:09:44.020 black, white, immigrant, non-immigrant,

01:09:46.500 all different kinds of people saying,

01:09:48.500 this is what Charlie did for me.

01:09:50.080 This is what he said to me.

01:09:51.460 This is how he loved me.

01:09:52.500 This is how he supported me.

01:09:55.580 Charlie was my good friend.

01:09:57.140 All of these things from people who look all different kinds of ways,

01:10:01.580 messages Charlie sent, opportunities he gave them.

01:10:05.160 And Charlie did not care about the color of someone's skin.

01:10:07.220 And actually,

01:10:07.600 he fought really hard against some people on the fringes who believe that there

01:10:13.000 is some DNA inherent difference between black and white people.

01:10:16.880 Like he,

01:10:17.480 there are some radicals,

01:10:19.040 crazy people who believe that.

01:10:20.280 And Charlie fought against that because he believed so strongly that all people

01:10:24.240 are made in God's image,

01:10:25.300 but everyone should have to work the same amount for the opportunities that they get.

01:10:29.940 That's what Charlie believed.

01:10:31.980 Erica said in her speech that his favorite word was earn.

01:10:35.400 And I think that's behind everything he said.

01:10:37.160 He just wanted people to earn what they have.

01:10:40.560 And isn't that a good word for all of us?

01:10:43.260 Okay.

01:10:43.620 I've got one more ad,

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01:10:58.120 Charlie carried on,

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01:11:08.380 And Hillsdale is one of them.

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01:11:52.500 All right,

01:11:53.420 let's go ahead and close out with saw 11.

01:11:56.660 He actually played a big role in how I thought about politics and how I put

01:12:04.360 politics and God together.

01:12:06.080 One day I was scrolling on Tik TOK.

01:12:10.480 It was probably like 2020 and I found him and I really just loved what he was

01:12:16.420 saying.

01:12:17.520 I think her finding him helped her develop that sense of confidence.

01:12:21.720 I wanted to come put like balloons or flowers,

01:12:36.480 pay my respects.

01:12:38.160 All right.

01:12:39.060 On Wednesday,

01:12:40.060 really important episode,

01:12:41.520 a call to courage.

01:12:42.940 Um,

01:12:43.380 and we're going to be looking in scripture to see how we should be thinking,

01:12:48.040 how we should be feeling and how we move forward.

01:12:51.520 Um,

01:12:51.960 and so I'll see you guys back here then have a great rest of your week.

01:12:56.180 Keep going.

01:13:16.680 Thank you.

01:13:16.720 Thank you.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - September 15, 2025

Ep 1241 ｜ The 'Charlie Effect' Spreads Across the Country

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