Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1244 ｜ Charlie Kirk Memorial Inspires Great Revival, 'Christian Nationalism' Panic from Media ｜ Ron Simmons

00:00:00.000 In the end, it was not the soft presence Christians, the compromising Christians, 1.00

00:00:06.060 the quiet Christians that sparked the revival. It was the bold Christians, the Christians who

00:00:11.580 relentlessly pursued and represented the truth, who pushed back persuasively against the lies

00:00:19.460 of our culture. The memorial for Charlie Kirk yesterday was incredible. I was there. I'm going

00:00:26.120 to give you some really special highlights and insight, but my dad is also going to give you

00:00:31.020 the perspective of a parent. He's also going to talk about the government shutdown. We're both

00:00:36.040 going to give you our takes on Christian nationalism. Before we get into this episode,

00:00:42.020 which I know is going to be so encouraging for you, I just want to say a couple of things. Number

00:00:45.260 one, I have the absolute honor of filling in for Charlie Kirk tomorrow on his podcast. Please tune

00:00:52.360 in for that. I'm really excited to be able to do that. And then also on this show, Relatable. If

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00:01:41.480 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Monday. Hope everyone had a wonderful weekend. My dad is going

00:01:48.220 to join us in just a little bit, not just talking about his perspective on Charlie, but a lot of the

00:01:55.320 things that you guys asked about, other things that are going on in the world. But because I was there

00:02:00.860 yesterday, I wanted to give you some highlights and give you my perspective. It's easy to see these

00:02:08.120 clips on social media and feel like you were there and feel like you know what went on. And the clips on

00:02:14.080 social media do give you a really good indication, but I want to encourage you even further as someone

00:02:20.620 who had the privilege of seeing all of this up close and personal, there is something happening.

00:02:27.660 Like the Holy Spirit is at work, y'all. And it was tangible. It was thick in that room. And so I'm

00:02:33.720 going to go through some of the thoughts that I have, as well as to preempt some criticism that I know

00:02:40.680 we are going to see from certain segments of Christianity and certain segments of the media.

00:02:47.740 Obviously, I am recording this remotely. And so things look and sound a little bit different,

00:02:52.080 but I'm also going to have to look down at my phone because that's where my notes are. So just FYI,

00:02:58.320 if you see me looking down, that's what I'm doing. And there are just a few things that I want to make

00:03:02.320 sure that I say absolutely correctly that I'm going to have to read verbatim. Before we get into all of

00:03:09.200 that, I want to remind you women out there, especially if you're new, maybe you're new to 1.00

00:03:13.680 Christianity altogether, because as we've seen the Charlie effect that God has used to revive so many 1.00

00:03:20.280 hearts and awaken so many people, you've got so many people who now are interested in faith.

00:03:25.820 They're interested in Christianity. They're going to church for the first time or the first time in

00:03:28.880 a long time. And it can't just stop there. It's really important for it to start with that

00:03:35.820 overwhelming feeling of needing something more. But we also need teaching and we need

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00:04:40.840 code Allie20. All right, let's go ahead and get into just this incredible weekend and this incredible

00:04:48.420 day of not just honoring Charlie Kirk, but really glorifying God as much as possible. Wow, what an

00:04:55.760 amazing, amazing moment. First, Chief Related Bro and I, we had a uniquely crazy weekend. We are not

00:05:03.720 usually as busy as we were over the past few days, but I just want to thank the Lord for His provision,

00:05:09.440 for His protection, and for opportunities to share the gospel and to encourage so many Christians

00:05:15.840 across the country in the last few days. Thank you, Lord. Thank you, Lord, for using me, for using all

00:05:21.620 of you, no matter what capacity you're in, no matter if you have a microphone or if you are an employee,

00:05:27.920 a student, a stay-at-home mom, whatever stage of life you're in. God has placed us exactly where we

00:05:33.100 are at this moment in history, at this spot of eternity, this speck of the earth, not arbitrarily,

00:05:39.160 not accidentally, but providentially and purposely, and what an incredible time. What an incredible time

00:05:46.540 to be alive. So just thank God every day for using you and using your capacity and your abilities and

00:05:53.040 your resources to advance His kingdom. That is how things go forth by the unseen and unsung work

00:05:59.780 of believers that God is working through with His Holy Spirit. So I'm just thankful to play such a small

00:06:04.640 part in that, but what an honor it is to be a Christian and to be a part of this really special

00:06:10.720 moment. I filmed something really special over the weekend. Really excited about you seeing that. I

00:06:16.620 can't talk about it yet, but it was a great opportunity to share the gospel that will be very

00:06:21.960 public that you'll see soon. And then we had the honor of going to Charlie's Memorial on Sunday,

00:06:29.260 yesterday. And as you saw, if you watched it, you haven't watched it yet, I really encourage you to

00:06:34.700 watch the entire thing on YouTube in its entirety. Huge stadium, tens of thousands of people

00:06:40.560 there, but there were people camped out. There were people in long lines. We were sitting

00:06:46.560 on the floor in front of the stage, but to the right. And we were in front of one of the big

00:06:52.760 jumbotrons and we were behind all of the presidential cabinet, which was pretty surreal to see these people

00:07:00.660 who are leading our government sit here in honor of Charlie Kirk and to worship alongside them and to

00:07:08.740 hear the name of Jesus proclaimed alongside them. I was just praising God in so many ways in so many

00:07:15.120 different times. The worship was really, really powerful. We weren't there for the entirety of

00:07:22.420 the worship before the speeches started. However, we got to be there when Christian Stanfill and when

00:07:32.800 Brandon Lake were leading worship and then Carrie Jo was leading worship and then we had Chris Tomlin.

00:07:39.380 And I just want to give a shout out to them, by the way. Like, I just want to give a shout out to all

00:07:43.280 of those Christian artists because there are Christian artists out there who are scared. They're scared to

00:07:48.440 be perceived as political. They're scared to be perceived as divisive or controversial. And so they

00:07:56.960 could have easily said, no, they don't need the money. They don't need the fame. They did it,

00:08:01.840 not caring what people might say. And people will say. People will say this is some kind of like

00:08:06.520 white nationalist rally, some ridiculous thing like that. And they decided that it was worth

00:08:11.280 sharing those arrows. And it was worth taking the heat for that. And I just respect. Respect to those

00:08:17.760 artists and thank you to those artists. And to me, one of the most emotional parts, like where I just

00:08:25.820 shed the most tears. First, I walked in and it's just incredible. It's incredible how many people

00:08:32.500 are there and how sweet everyone was. Like usually when you have a crowd like that, you usually have

00:08:37.200 some kind of crazy people, some kind of troublemakers. Saw zero of that, which was amazing. We also had

00:08:43.720 like the most security that anything has ever had ever. But just an incredible feeling of camaraderie in

00:08:50.640 there. And then I'm sitting on, I'm sitting on the floor, we get to our seats. And I'm like, this is

00:08:56.900 amazing. I'm sitting next to Matt Walsh and his wife. I see all of these different commentators that

00:09:01.280 I only typically get to see on the internet. And I'm like, this is so special. This is amazing.

00:09:07.860 And then it just hits me why I'm there. Like why I'm there is this awful, tragic, terrible reason.

00:09:16.960 And as that's kind of like dawning on me, I'm looking around. The singing itself has stopped,

00:09:25.460 but the music is playing. And Brandon Lake is just standing on the stage and he's looking out.

00:09:31.300 And all of these people spontaneously start lifting up their Charlie signs because everyone has these

00:09:37.660 signs, white and red. And the white signs say, Isaiah 6, 8, send me. I'll go, here I am, Lord.

00:09:45.740 Send me. And then the red signs have, well done, good and faithful servant. And the videographer

00:09:53.900 has just this footage, this incredible footage up on the screen. And then after all of these signs

00:10:02.880 are up, people are just raising their signs in solidarity with Charlie and commitment to being

00:10:08.720 obedient to the Lord. The videographer then zooms in on this huge unfurled banner of Charlie in a very

00:10:17.880 victorious stance. And I just, I mean, I lost it. I lost it because it just hit me. I can't believe

00:10:28.320 that that is why we're here. Obviously, God is accomplishing something good. And I looked back

00:10:33.960 at the stage and I could see Brandon Lake was crying and it was such a powerful moment.

00:10:39.500 What a privilege it was to be there. Like, I don't know that I ever would have thought that I

00:10:44.940 would be in a room with President Trump, with the vice president, with, you know, all of Daily Wire,

00:10:51.780 Megan Cowley, Tucker Carlson, all of these incredible people in media and activism that I've loved and

00:10:58.020 known for a long time. I don't know all of those people that I just listed, but known who they are

00:11:03.780 for so long, worshiping together. I think I would have assumed that would only happen on the other

00:11:09.440 side of eternity. But Charlie made it happen here on earth and I got to see a foretaste of heaven.

00:11:14.660 And I'll never forget that. I'll never forget that. I'm going to play you some of my favorite moments

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00:12:35.260 Pastor Rob McCoy, who was considered Charlie's pastor, he kicked off the speeches and he did a

00:12:42.700 really, really good job, Satu.

00:12:45.340 Thank you, Pastor. So good. He did an altar call at the end of it. I mean, people didn't come down to

00:13:14.200 the altar, but at the end, he said, look, if you've made a profession of faith, and he made clear,

00:13:19.060 it's not by your own works. It's only by grace through faith in Christ. Then raise your hand. And tons

00:13:24.240 of people stood up and raised their hands. Praise God. And it wasn't just the people in the stadium

00:13:28.420 who heard that. Millions and millions of people heard that. And remember, the word of God does not

00:13:32.920 return void. He sends it out. It accomplishes exactly what God wants it to accomplish. And God

00:13:40.080 doesn't need us, but he chooses to use us as the means by which, as a means by which, he draws people

00:13:46.820 to himself. So incredible. All right. My friend, Frank Turrick, who is just an amazing apologist,

00:13:54.680 he was there with Charlie when Charlie was shot because he was Charlie's mentor. And if you have

00:14:00.660 not watched this YouTube video describing exactly what happened, then you've got to go watch that.

00:14:05.840 He's an amazing man. And the Holy Spirit was speaking through him right here. Sot three.

00:14:10.400 Now, I want you to know that Charlie right now is in heaven, not because he was a great husband and

00:14:18.500 father, not because he saved millions of kids out of darkness on college campuses, not because

00:14:26.680 he changed minds and chased votes to save the country, not because he sacrificed himself

00:14:35.460 for his savior. Charlie Kirk is in heaven because his savior sacrificed himself for Charlie Kirk.

00:14:45.020 Yes. And amen. Like, if you could have seen me, like, I was basically like out of my seat,

00:14:51.060 nodding. I mean, for us Reformed Baptists, nodding ferociously is like as much charisma as you are going

00:14:58.440 to get when someone is preaching. And I might clap and say amen. But I was amening that. Yes,

00:15:04.340 Dr. Frank Turek. Thank you so much. God was glorified. And Charlie would have been thrilled

00:15:10.600 in that. Okay. And can I tell you also my perhaps if I had to pick a favorite, it's very difficult

00:15:19.000 because truly I was moved in different ways by every single speech. I thought everyone did a really,

00:15:24.940 really good job. But I was blown away by Secretary Marco Rubio. I was blown away by his passion.

00:15:34.340 And his clarity and his conciseness and sharing what Christianity is. This is the bedrock of what

00:15:43.160 we believe. And Marco Rubio articulated it in just an incredible way. I still, I get chills when I just

00:15:49.900 think about it. Here's thought five.

00:15:51.600 One of the things he wants us to take away from this, from all of this, is the following. His deep

00:15:58.480 belief that we were all created, every single one of us before the beginning of time, by the hands of

00:16:05.500 the God of the universe, an all-powerful God who loved us and created us for the purpose of living

00:16:11.160 with him in eternity. But then sin entered the world and separated us from our creator.

00:16:16.100 And so God took on the form of a man and came down and lived among us. And he suffered like men. 0.66

00:16:24.080 And he died like a man. But on the third day, he rose unlike any mortal man.

00:16:29.340 And to prove any doubters wrong, he ate with his disciples so they could see and they touched

00:16:39.820 his wounds. He didn't rise as a ghost or as a spirit, but as flesh. And then he rose to the

00:16:46.060 heaven, but he promised he would return. And he will. And when he returns, because he took on that

00:16:52.160 death, because he carried that cross, we were freed from the sin that separated us from him.

00:16:56.740 And when he returns, there will be a new heaven and a new earth. And we will all be together.

00:17:02.100 And we are going to have a great reunion there again with Charlie and all the people we love.

00:17:08.500 Oh, I loved that. I love that so much. I just thought he did a great job. I'm like,

00:17:14.000 yes, I voted for you in the 2016 primary. I'd do it again. Just so incredibly thankful for that

00:17:22.240 clarity. Vice President J.D. Vance, he also, he had a good speech. And he mentioned that,

00:17:32.360 you know, he wasn't really one to talk publicly about his faith. But since Charlie was murdered,

00:17:37.480 that's changed. Sot 6.

00:17:39.840 I have talked more about Jesus Christ in the past two weeks than I have my entire time in public life.

00:17:47.120 And that is an undeniable legacy of the great Charlie Kirk. You know, he loved God. And because

00:17:56.700 he loved God, he wanted to understand God's creation and the men and women made in his image.

00:18:05.020 Really good. I mean, may that be all of our legacy, that when we die, people can't stop talking about

00:18:10.740 Jesus because it's what our life was about. And so in order to talk about you, someone has to talk

00:18:16.560 about Jesus. That's what I thought about when I heard Donald Trump Jr., who was super close to

00:18:20.300 Charlie, who went up there and gave us some comic relief. And he was like, first, he imitated his

00:18:25.700 dad, which was really funny. But then he was like, to say, you know, Charlie knew more than me about

00:18:31.420 the Bible is like saying Donald Trump knows more about being president than Kamala Harris. It's an 0.89

00:18:35.380 understatement. But then he went on to honor Charlie's faith and compared him to Stephen the

00:18:41.480 martyr, which is exactly the right comparison. And I thought that was beautiful. And he did that

00:18:48.520 because he had heard Charlie say that he wanted to be remembered for courage for his faith. And so

00:18:54.420 he honored his friend in that way, how Charlie wanted to be honored. And you could tell from his

00:18:59.940 speech, Charlie shared the gospel with the Trumps many, many times. And I just thought that that was

00:19:05.920 really sweet. People who don't even follow Jesus had to talk about Jesus, had to hear about Jesus

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00:20:17.940 All right. There were a lot of amazing parts to Erica's speech. In fact, I thought one of the most

00:20:22.040 emotional parts was when she just walked out and she stopped before the podium and she looked up to

00:20:28.200 heaven and she said, Jesus, and she said, Charlie, I was on the edge of my seat right there. I could

00:20:33.960 feel the Holy Spirit interceding for her through the prayers of other believers. I just could. I mean,

00:20:41.860 there are just moments in your life when you're in corporate worship or you just feel so convicted to

00:20:47.080 pray that it's undeniable that it's the Holy Spirit. And I was on the edge of my seat. I was just

00:20:52.760 like, I wish I could have been up there being like, come on, girl, you got this. You got this. You got this.

00:20:56.680 That's like what I was saying. That's what I was thinking. I was praying. And then she got up and

00:21:00.740 she delivered a beautiful speech. And thank you God for that. And then she said this, and this has

00:21:06.460 stopped people in their tracks. This is thought eight. Father, forgive them for they not know what

00:21:15.260 they do. I forgive him. I mean, that is only possible with the gospel of Christ. That is only

00:21:37.040 possible when you know the depths that you have been forgiven. That sounds like foolishness to a

00:21:45.700 very bitter and a dying world because you have some people who think that when someone who looks

00:21:51.960 like them dies or they perceive as a victim dies, who will riot and will commit violence and will

00:21:57.780 murder. And they think that that's some form of justice or biblical retribution when it's 100%

00:22:04.040 not. And by the way, Erica pointed that out in her speech that the responses have been so disparate.

00:22:10.420 You've got violence over there. And then over here, you've got vigils. We're not the same. It's not

00:22:15.560 left versus right. Ultimately, it is good versus evil. She pointed that out very well. She did a good

00:22:21.640 job. That's really difficult to do. And I just, I'm thankful for that. And I just pray that God would

00:22:28.780 continue to give her and her children and turning point strength. And there was a lot, like there was

00:22:35.380 a lot more that I could play you, but you should go watch it. And it was really amazing. Okay. Then

00:22:41.300 we have something that was very different from Stephen Miller, who always gives the tough words.

00:22:47.800 Like you guys know, I love Stephen Miller's tough words. Like you can't shame me on that. You can't make

00:22:52.760 we feel guilty. Like we need tough people in government. I won't say sorry for that. We need

00:22:58.740 tough people who will tell it like it is. And I think that tough talk is also needed. And I'm going

00:23:04.560 to explain the dichotomy here. We just heard that incredible grace that was given to her by the Holy

00:23:09.200 Spirit from Erica Kirk. And then we have something like this and they might seem contradictory. I'll

00:23:15.760 explain why they're actually not. Stop four.

00:23:17.980 And to those trying to incite violence against us, those trying to foment hatred against us,

00:23:24.780 what do you have? You have nothing. You are nothing. You are wickedness. You are jealousy. You

00:23:32.820 are envy. You are hatred. You are nothing. You can build nothing. You can produce nothing. You can

00:23:41.200 create nothing. We are the ones who build. We are the ones who create. We are the ones who lift up

00:23:49.620 humanity. You thought you could kill Charlie Kirk? You have made him immortal. You have immortalized

00:23:59.320 Charlie Kirk. And now millions will carry on his legacy. He's right. He's right. You don't have to

00:24:08.360 like what he has to say, but he is right. And let me just distinguish something, okay?

00:24:12.400 We honor the God-given forgiveness and grace and mercy that Erica showed and that only those

00:24:20.060 close to Charlie Kirk have the ability to really be able to do for this guy who murdered Charlie.

00:24:29.060 God gives him the power to forgive and to turn the other cheek. That is not the government's

00:24:33.380 responsibility, okay? When Jesus is saying, you turn the other cheek, you've heard it said,

00:24:38.380 eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, but I say to you, and then he talks about forgiveness and grace

00:24:43.820 and mercy and turning the other way and blessing those who persecute you and praying for your enemies

00:24:49.320 and relieving people of the bitterness and resentment that you're trying to place on them.

00:24:54.560 He's talking about our interpersonal relationships, okay? We give grace. The government bears the sword.

00:24:58.960 We forgive the government restrains evil. It is a God-given responsibility by the God-instituted

00:25:06.580 governments that exist to restrain evil and to punish wrongdoing, okay? So we have to be able

00:25:12.700 to hold both of those. Someone said, oh, Stephen Miller, that's Old Testament. Erica Kirk, that's New

00:25:17.180 Testament. No, no, no. That is not the case. Romans 13 is in the New Testament. In Romans 13,

00:25:23.300 which is the word of God, which means it's just as much Jesus's words as the rest of the Bible is,

00:25:28.740 as the red letters are in the Gospels, says that the government is instituted by God and does not

00:25:34.600 bear the sword in vain. And the sword is a symbol of a method of execution. The government's God-given

00:25:43.640 obligation is to reward good and to punish wrong. And in a good and righteous governance situation,

00:25:52.820 they are defining right and wrong by the God who created righteousness, who embodies righteousness,

00:25:59.560 okay? So, like, both of these perspectives are needed. I know a lot of people are hating on Trump

00:26:04.580 and the thing he said about hating his enemies and all that. And obviously, we should all pray for Trump

00:26:09.080 to truly understand the gospel. However, the government is supposed to punish enemies of goodness

00:26:15.540 who commit crimes and who hurt people because it's not just about the people who are affected by it.

00:26:22.500 It's about all of us. And it's about upholding God's principles of justice. And in this case,

00:26:27.440 Genesis 9 tells us that those who purposely shed the blood of an innocent person, their blood has to be

00:26:33.880 shed. So, execution is the right and proportional punishment for someone who commits this kind of

00:26:39.800 murder according to the God who created justice, okay? So, like, I don't think we need to criticize

00:26:46.700 Stephen Miller here. There is a place for this. There is absolutely a place for this. I thought this

00:26:52.800 was a beautiful display of both patriotism and love for Jesus on display at the same time. And you know

00:27:01.680 what you're going to hear, and my dad's going to talk about this a little bit in a second,

00:27:04.740 but people are going to call this Christian nationalism. I saw someone already call this 0.93

00:27:10.320 white Christian nationalism, which is just so stupid, okay? I got a couple things to say about

00:27:14.640 that, and you can hear what my dad's take is. Number one, I don't care. I don't care. I do not

00:27:19.600 care. And number two, make the person accusing you of that or this memorial of that to define

00:27:26.940 Christian nationalism. What do they mean by Christian? What do they mean by nationalism? What do they mean

00:27:31.140 when they put those two words together? And then have them tell you where they got that definition.

00:27:36.160 Number three, it's good to be a Christian, and it's good to be a nationalist. A nationalist

00:27:40.340 does not mean that you idolize your country. We should not idolize our country. We pledge allegiance

00:27:45.980 to Christ first, and then we love our country from that love that we have for Christ. Nationalist

00:27:51.920 just means that you put your country first, and that your well-being of your country and its security

00:27:57.920 and its safety and its prosperity should be prioritized before the well-being of other

00:28:02.600 countries. And that factors into economic policy, foreign policy, immigration policy,

00:28:07.280 but that is good. That is a way to love your neighbor. And so I know all these people are

00:28:11.820 going to be calling you names. It does not matter what a blessed mercy it is, grace of God, that we

00:28:17.520 have people in the highest rungs of power in our government who love Jesus, who are unashamed of

00:28:22.800 the gospel. That is God's mercy. Be thankful for that. Be thankful for that. Be grateful that God

00:28:29.140 placed you in this country right now, providentially, to seek its welfare. Jeremiah 29 talks about

00:28:36.860 Israelite exiles seeking the welfare of the city that God has placed them in. God didn't place you 1.00

00:28:42.780 here accidentally. We are to love our neighbors by doing everything we can personally and politically

00:28:48.680 to make this a safer and more secure and more righteous and more truly biblically just society

00:28:58.120 and country. That is, again, a way to love our neighbor. Politics matter because policy matters

00:29:02.560 because people matter. Politics affects policy. Policy affects people. And people matter. And so

00:29:08.340 loving your country, serving your country, pushing your country toward what is good and right and true,

00:29:14.480 allowing your faith in the good God of the universe to be infused into all of your political ideas and

00:29:23.800 how we think about policy is not only good, it is literally the only right way for a Christian to 0.99

00:29:29.620 think. That does not mean that we are forcing people to believe. That doesn't mean we force people to go

00:29:34.560 to church. That doesn't mean we punish speech or punish beliefs that we don't like. But it does mean

00:29:41.320 that every single law is informed by a worldview. And through debate and through this exchange of

00:29:47.360 ideas that Charlie was so good at, we should be advocating for the Christian worldview to inform,

00:29:53.400 in principle, to inform our policies. Progressives get to bring the fullness of their worldview to the

00:29:58.100 table to inform policies about gender and abortion. Christians should too. Do not let people use this 1.00

00:30:03.640 moniker of Christian nationalism to silence you or silo your politics and your cultural views away from your

00:30:10.500 faith. Jesus is king is a total statement. He's king over our lives. He is king over the universe.

00:30:17.740 And we do everything we can to infuse the gospel into everything we think, say, and do. Everything.

00:30:23.380 You don't compartmentalize it, okay? So let them call you what they're going to call you and make them

00:30:30.200 answer for it. You don't even have to defend yourself. Know what you believe and why you believe

00:30:34.740 and never be ashamed of the gospel in any way. Christians for 2,000 years have been seen as

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00:32:19.900 Well, hello, everybody. It's been a little while since I've seen you. Hope you've had a good summer

00:32:25.000 and headed into the fall. I know a lot of you are super busy with kids going back to school and all

00:32:31.300 the activities that seem to be happening in the fall. I know our fall is super busy, and Allie and

00:32:36.580 her family are busy. And of course, with all that we've had going on in the last couple of weeks,

00:32:40.720 it's just intensified. I want to thank Allie again for allowing me to do this, having me on. I know you

00:32:46.400 just heard from her. Her and her husband were out at the Charlie Kirk Memorial, and her on-site view of

00:32:56.340 that was just fantastic. And I know that you appreciated it as well. Also want to thank,

00:33:01.960 obviously, all your listeners and those of you that are watching on YouTube. Just appreciate you

00:33:06.340 supporting her and what she's doing. But more than just listening to her, praying for her, that's been

00:33:11.240 so important. I don't know if you've ever had a situation in your life where you really, truly

00:33:17.240 needed prayer from other people. I'll tell you, I've had that this year, actually, with the health

00:33:22.580 situation that I had, which is all good now. But you can feel that. And I know Allie feels it when

00:33:27.760 you're earnestly praying for her. You can see I'm in a little bit different studio today. I'm not at the

00:33:33.900 Relatable Studio. I am away on business, and I have my good friends at the Texas Public Policy

00:33:41.440 Foundation have allowed me to utilize their studio today. And I want to thank them for that. And if

00:33:48.060 you don't know who they are, I encourage you to look online, go find them. You can search and find

00:33:52.800 them. They're the largest state-based think tank in the United States. So they focus on things,

00:33:59.680 public policy in Texas. Allie's spoken at some of their events and what have you, and I have worked

00:34:05.120 with them for quite a while on some issues. So thank them again for that. And if you're looking

00:34:10.560 for a place where you can put some of your charitable dollars to work, I know that they will make good

00:34:16.580 use of those in their efforts to make sure that we stay a conservative state here in Texas. And what

00:34:23.120 happens in Texas a lot of times ripples around the country. So even if you don't live here,

00:34:27.000 what they do probably has a long-term effect on what's happening in your state as well. So thanks

00:34:32.560 again. Well, yeah, I'm not going to spend a lot of time on the memorial service. I do want to talk

00:34:38.240 a little bit about the service, but more just about Charlie specifically for a few minutes. You know,

00:34:46.100 I think, and I was thinking about this yesterday when I was listening to it on my drive down to Austin,

00:34:51.080 is that we probably witnessed, those of you that either listened to that or watched the service

00:34:57.300 yesterday, the largest single one-day Christian revival in the history of mankind at a memorial

00:35:06.220 service. And I don't, it wasn't intended for that. That wasn't why it was done. But the people that

00:35:11.960 spoke, speaking from their heart about a friend, not about a policy issue, not about politics,

00:35:18.800 but about a friend and his love and faithfulness to our Lord and Savior, Christ Jesus was just

00:35:26.020 fantastic. I don't know how many people around the world were affected by that yesterday, but God knows.

00:35:35.880 And I believe it's changed a lot of people's lives that service alone. And I'm so, so grateful for that.

00:35:44.060 You know, I did a Facebook post a couple of days after Charlie's passing. Lisa and I were on a trip

00:35:51.580 and we got a call from Allie Beth about what had happened. We did not know. We were out of the

00:35:56.940 country. And that was one of those phone calls that you'll never forget. I can tell you that.

00:36:04.320 Obviously, Allie and Charlie were pretty close. They'd kind of grown up together in this young

00:36:10.280 conservative movement. She has spoken at a lot of his events and they stayed in touch regularly. In

00:36:17.680 fact, I'd met him a couple of times, but as I, and if you want to go read my Facebook post, you can,

00:36:22.900 I'll, I'll pull out a little bit of it myself. But I, I didn't know him personally, but I felt like he was a

00:36:30.460 part of our family. And the reason that I felt that way is because of the relationship that he had with

00:36:36.340 Allie in extension to Allie's husband, I can't tell you how many times that Allie would come to me

00:36:42.940 and say, well, you know, Charlie said this, or Charlie texted me this on a question that she had

00:36:48.160 had, whether it was about policy, about media, or whether they have a discussion on, uh, you know,

00:36:54.500 biblical worldview related items. I just, it was just amazing how much that they were in contact.

00:37:00.740 And based on his answers, I began to trust him indirectly with her. And many times she would

00:37:09.180 come to me and ask me a question specifically, more specifically about the media business.

00:37:14.080 And I would say, Hey, why don't you check with Charlie and see what he thinks about it? And she

00:37:18.900 would, and he would obviously have a good answer for her. But that tells you how much our family

00:37:23.420 trusted him because I don't trust many people with anybody in my family, as far as giving advice and

00:37:29.540 mentorship for, but that's how much we respected him. And, um, that's the type of person based on

00:37:37.420 what we even heard yesterday that he was, he did that for a lot of people. I don't know how he had

00:37:41.960 enough time to do that, but he did, you know, and it, I don't understand what happened. Don't

00:37:48.080 understand it at all. But I do remember a quote that I heard, uh, golfer Aaron Baddeley said one time

00:37:54.560 in a Bible study, uh, that I was in, he had, we had watching this video and he was being interviewed

00:38:00.400 by, um, uh, by someone related to his faith. And he said, you know, God promises us the peace that

00:38:09.460 passes all understanding. That's a promise. That's a promise in the word. However, sometimes we have to

00:38:15.860 give up the understanding to get the peace. And that just hit me, uh, when that happened, uh, when I

00:38:22.360 listened to that a few weeks ago and I wrote it down and stuck it on my computer, because I need

00:38:27.840 to remember that because I always want to understand. Okay. Just let me understand. If I

00:38:31.580 understand it, I can generally kind of get through it. Not understanding it really sometimes bothers

00:38:37.880 me on a lot of situations. And this one's no different, but remembering that quote, that if we

00:38:43.520 will, sometimes if we want the peace, we have to give up the understanding and have the trust

00:38:47.540 that as the Bible says, all things do work together for the good, uh, that those that love the Lord.

00:38:54.400 So, um, anyway, I, the other thing that I put in my post and I, and I know that, um, all of you

00:39:01.380 believe this as well, and certainly this is not, uh, removing or belittling anything related to what

00:39:08.780 we need to be doing for a Charlie's wife, Erica, and the two kids, as far as praying for them and

00:39:13.980 lifting them up. We need to do that daily base. I can't imagine the devastation that Erica feels 0.92

00:39:20.840 and really over the longterm that those kids of his will feel by not getting to have that full

00:39:26.900 relationship with their dad, but also think about his mom and dad. Um, you know, Ali is in the same

00:39:34.260 world in a sense that Charlie was in probably not as much on the political side, but certainly as much

00:39:39.720 on speaking the truth, which a lot of people don't like, and I can't imagine the devastation

00:39:46.580 that we would feel if something happened. And, um, I know that his parents just have to be really,

00:39:54.180 really, really hurting. You know, we're, we're kind of our, our psychological system is set up to

00:40:01.940 watch certain people pass away and realize that's just the cycle of life, right? Like our parents,

00:40:08.620 you know, my, my dad is still alive. Thank goodness. My mom passed away a few years ago

00:40:13.440 and it was sad when she passed for sure, but it wasn't something that we didn't expect going to

00:40:19.920 happen at this stage of her life, but we're not set up psychologically to see our children pass away

00:40:26.360 or our young husband or our young father. And so the ability to overcome that and, and move past that

00:40:34.760 is much more difficult. And so I just would ask that you, when you think about them and, um, maybe

00:40:40.900 when you, you know, have interaction with your own parents that remind you to pray for Charlie's

00:40:45.660 parents, cause I know that they are suffering greatly as well. Um, what, uh, what I think is

00:40:52.620 going to come out of this on the negative side, and it's not a negative as far as you and I are concerned,

00:40:57.920 but the media is going to make it negative. It's probably already happening. And that is they're

00:41:03.680 going to look at that service yesterday and talk about Christian nationalism. Now, Ali's talked about

00:41:10.120 that and she may have some more to say about that in the next few days, but that's what they're going

00:41:15.360 to claim this was because all of the people that whose job happens to be in our government gave their

00:41:22.840 testimony and talked about their faith in Christ, they're going to say that's Christian nationalism.

00:41:28.840 Well, ladies and gentlemen, that's the furthest thing from the truth. Okay.

00:41:33.040 What Christian nationalism is, is if you're trying to set up a theocracy, which that is not what is

00:41:40.260 going on in the conservative movement, not at all, not the Republican party, not in the conservative

00:41:44.860 movement. A theocracy is what happens in a lot of these Muslim countries, which is happening like 1.00

00:41:50.680 with in Afghanistan now with the Taliban or what happened or what's going on in Iran. Those are

00:41:55.720 theocracies, right? That they apply their rules, not even biblical, of course, to society. That's not

00:42:07.100 what's going on here. What happened yesterday was that men and women who have jobs like you and I have

00:42:13.640 a job, but also happen to have a deep Christian faith. And they were simply up there explaining their

00:42:20.140 faith and honoring Charlie's faith and encouraging other people as a fellow brother in Christ or

00:42:27.600 sister in Christ to have that same faith. They weren't saying, hey, as secretary of state,

00:42:35.020 you need to be a Christian. That's not what at all. Mark Rubio, and what a sweet message he gave.

00:42:42.040 He laid out the gospel. As a follower of Christ, this is what I believe, and I would like for you

00:42:49.360 to consider believing this as well. And this is what Charlie believed. So do not be put aside by

00:42:55.060 the left trying to say, this is all Christian nationalism. That's the furthest thing from

00:42:59.660 the truth. It's nothing but spouting lies that come directly from the devil. And don't ever forget

00:43:06.880 that. The last, the other thing that on this subject, or the last thing on this subject I want

00:43:12.040 to talk about is you're going to, we hear a lot about free speech. Okay. And it kind of came out

00:43:18.860 of the, you know, Charlie got killed for speaking in a place where he was invited to speak. Okay.

00:43:24.340 And a crowd that he was, that invited him to speak there. And he was killed because of his beliefs

00:43:31.580 and his speech. And he was encouraging actually, um, counter speech. And what's happened is you see

00:43:40.840 with, with a lot of people that were, uh, celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk, some of them have been

00:43:49.920 terminated from their employment. And so there's this all big blow up on the left, which is super

00:43:56.200 ironic based on how they tried to cancel all of us during COVID and, and after the George Floyd

00:44:01.380 stuff and all that, but they're saying, well, you, you know, firing Jimmy Kimmel from a late night

00:44:07.260 show, you're violating free speech. No, that's not true. Jimmy Kimmel can say whatever he wants to

00:44:12.880 say. All right. Now there are some limits on that. For example, the Supreme court says you can't go

00:44:17.400 into a theater and holler fire. That's not free speech. Okay. But Jimmy Kimmel can spout his opinion

00:44:23.000 on the death or on Charlie Kirk specifically. However, he is not guaranteed by the constitution to have

00:44:31.280 a job at ABC and even a Stephen Colbert to have his job. Okay. You, you aren't guaranteed to have a

00:44:38.460 job at your company. If you have speech that they believe just they disagree with and could have a

00:44:45.340 negative effect on that firm. There's a book out there, uh, written by, uh, Rod Smola, who was the

00:44:51.220 former president of Furman university called the constitution goes to college. I would encourage each

00:44:56.720 of you to get that. It's a very small book, but, uh, and it was written just a few years ago when all

00:45:02.200 of this, um, uh, talk was about free speech in college campuses and free speech. Some of the

00:45:08.480 professors were saying some things that were, uh, very degrading to conservatives and some of them

00:45:14.080 lost their jobs. And they were saying, well, that's a violation of free speech. No, you can have the

00:45:19.600 speech, but you don't, you're not guaranteed to keep your job or to be involved in the same things

00:45:24.300 you're involved in that the people there don't want to associate with. So don't, don't misunderstand

00:45:30.520 free speech. Uh, you can say what you want to, but you're not guaranteed to be able to say it and keep

00:45:37.000 your job or your association that you had before you said it. So just remember that, uh, that's really

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00:47:05.780 Uh, let's change subjects a little bit. Let's talk about the Schumer shutdown. And what I mean by that

00:47:11.580 it's the, it's the potential shutdown of the government. And that's a little bit of a misnomer,

00:47:16.460 but I will tell you, it lays directly on the hands of Schumer because the, uh, the house passed

00:47:22.960 a continuing resolution to keep the government up and running for the next few months while they work

00:47:28.120 out other details, but Schumer and his cronies. Okay. And a few, a couple of our people on the

00:47:34.480 Republican side, uh, Rand Paul and Lisa Murkowski voted against the Republican proposal as well in the

00:47:41.960 Senate, which I'm not exactly sure why Murkowski is a pretty far left guy, a left lady, uh, for a, 0.97

00:47:47.920 for a Republican and Rand Paul, uh, has some very, uh, and, and good thoughts. Okay. Nothing wrong with

00:47:54.520 them. Very good thoughts relating to spending and what have you. And I don't know the specific issues

00:47:59.280 he had with this, but, but, uh, I respect him quite a lot, but what does really a government

00:48:05.300 shutdown really mean? Okay. I want to make sure that people don't panic over this. All right.

00:48:09.720 First of all, it's going to be okay. There's not a lot you and I can do about it. This is what we

00:48:14.000 elected our representatives for. Of course, you should always voice your opinion to them. And

00:48:17.640 that's totally fine to do that. But just remember that all of the essential services that are provided

00:48:23.880 by your federal government, of course, it doesn't affect the state governments, but your federal

00:48:27.860 government continue. For example, public safety, like military and those types of things,

00:48:32.320 border patrol, all of those still stay in place. Um, air travel, the, you know, the FAA is not going

00:48:38.980 to shut down air traffic controllers. They can't go on strike. So air travel is all good. Your mail

00:48:43.980 will still be delivered. Uh, social security payments happen. Medicare, if you've gone to the

00:48:48.940 doctor and they submitted a claim for Medicare, they'll still pay that same way with Medicaid.

00:48:53.440 That all still happens just the way it has in the past disaster. If we happen to have a hurricane

00:48:58.580 or something like that, or there's a fire somewhere, it doesn't affect disaster

00:49:02.280 recovery. In fact, everything that has a specific appropriation, what they call, um,

00:49:08.680 guaranteed spending though, or mandatory spending, uh, those, those services continue.

00:49:15.280 And did you know that that represents two thirds of the entire federal budget is mandatory spending.

00:49:20.120 So while there's going to be a lot of, you know, sticking their chest out and pounding their chest and,

00:49:26.520 you know, they want to do this and they want to do that. Uh, it's not something that I would spend a lot

00:49:31.720 of time worrying about. I do not want the Republicans to, to go backwards on the Medicaid

00:49:38.520 reforms that president Trump put in or the removal of the spending of some of these aid packages that

00:49:43.960 were just totally ridiculous. And also I do not want them to, uh, extend permanently the, uh,

00:49:51.480 Obamacare subsidies, which do run out at the end of this year. And they were never supposed to be

00:49:56.520 longterm. They were only supposed to be temporary. So don't spend a lot of time worrying about that.

00:50:01.800 Uh, now, if you have a mortgage loan, that's a federally backed, or you're doing an SBA loan

00:50:07.400 and the government shuts down for a few weeks, those could get slowed down a little bit, but the main

00:50:11.880 essential services will stay in place. So not something to spend a lot of time on, but this is

00:50:16.920 clearly right on Chuck Schumer shoulders. There's no question about that. And, uh, if he decides to shut it

00:50:23.560 down, then, you know, he can shut it down. He's talking about, well, we want to negotiate with

00:50:27.000 the president. Well, president Trump's already said, I am happy to have a meeting. I don't think

00:50:30.520 it'll change my mind, but I'm happy to sit down with you. You know what? That's all he can do.

00:50:34.440 You can't just because you're the other side want something doesn't mean you say yes. It means that

00:50:39.000 you, you should listen and you should try to find points of agreement. However, if there's not,

00:50:44.280 then that's what elections are for. And Republicans right now are in the majority. And so therefore,

00:50:50.280 um, you know, the Democrats can't get everything they want. We've been in the other, we've been on

00:50:53.880 the other side of that many times. So, uh, this, that's the way our system works again, messy,

00:50:58.760 but still the best system in the world. All right. Um, talk for a little bit about some of the

00:51:05.640 questions that have come up. You guys are so great at sending questions, uh, when Allie asked for them,

00:51:12.440 and I want to answer as many of those as I can. Now I might not get to all of them. So if I don't get to

00:51:19.400 all of them, then please, you can always email me directly at Ron at ronsimmons.com. And they'll

00:51:26.360 put this in the show notes. Uh, you can email me directly and I get several emails a week and I

00:51:31.160 really enjoy doing it. If I don't get back to you within a few days, please email me again.

00:51:35.000 Cause that means I've missed it. You know, like a lot of times it gets down on the next page and I

00:51:39.400 forget about it or what have you, but let's go through some of those. I've got, I've got them here on

00:51:43.800 my phone. Allie sent them to me. So I want to, I'm going to pull those up real quick and, uh, we

00:51:49.480 will, uh, we'll go through those. Uh, interest rates was one of the big ones. You know, they just

00:51:55.000 dropped the interest rates a little bit last week and I think they'll drop them some more, uh, this,

00:52:01.560 uh, before the end of the year. I think that they need to get them down. Uh, well, they need to get

00:52:06.680 the Fed rate. In other words, what the Fed loans, uh, is the rate where they loan money to banks and

00:52:12.840 other places. They need to get that down into the under five and the 4% range. Um, I don't know

00:52:18.520 they'll ever go back down to the 2% range like it was at one time, but under five, I think would be 0.99

00:52:23.720 a good rate to beat. That will get mortgage rates down close to the 5% level. That would be really,

00:52:29.160 really good. Um, right now I just saw where they've gone down a little bit, 6.25. I think I,

00:52:34.920 I think I heard. Um, and so I think they'll, they'll continue to lower them. Now, the challenge

00:52:40.440 is, is that the Fed lowers them and they announce it immediately. It takes a little while to get

00:52:46.200 through the system, but it should get through the system in the next couple of weeks. Now that also,

00:52:51.720 though, has an effect on your savings. Like your, if you have money on a CD or in a bank or a money

00:52:58.200 market fund, because the Fed rate interest rates go down, those will go down as well. So, uh, those of

00:53:04.440 you that have money in savings accounts, you want to pay attention to that, to see how much that

00:53:08.760 drops it. Again, you think if, if the Fed dropped the interest rate that they loan money out on goes

00:53:14.120 down a quarter, that the money that you can make on your savings would only go down a quarter. But

00:53:18.600 sometimes it doesn't work like that. Sometimes the banks, if they can, will want to pay you less

00:53:23.800 on your savings and, and keep paying the, keep collecting the same amount from people that have

00:53:29.400 loans against them. And so you gotta just look around. You may have to look at some other banks or

00:53:33.480 some other opportunities for that. Uh, but I'm monitoring that. And I, and I do think that, uh,

00:53:38.680 the economy, certainly the housing industry needs it. You know, uh, last time I was on,

00:53:43.720 we had some questions about housing and we saw a video clip of a guy that was talking about how

00:53:49.240 he couldn't afford it. And while it's not exactly the same, I do remember having some similar

00:53:56.120 challenges when Lisa and I first got started, mainly because interest rates were so high. I mean,

00:54:00.280 I think I told y'all that our first home, uh, interest rate was like 13%. Well, if you're

00:54:05.800 paying 6% now and we paid 13%, that means we could only buy a house that cost half as much

00:54:13.400 because we couldn't afford the payment and what have you. So, um, I, uh, I do know that that's a

00:54:18.840 big problem and I do know that the administration is working on that. Uh, you know, it's expensive to

00:54:25.880 live, especially if you live close to a large metropolitan area. It's more expensive, uh, to the

00:54:31.720 extent that you can work from home. Um, I would really strongly consider moving out to a smaller

00:54:39.240 area, smaller city, smaller town, maybe even rural area where things are a lot less expensive and you

00:54:44.760 can, you can work from home anyway, so you don't have to have that commute. Um, I know that several times

00:54:51.080 in my career, we moved further out to be able to afford the home that we needed for our family.

00:54:56.600 And I had a longer commute. Now I travel a lot. So a lot of times I was just going to the airport, but,

00:55:01.080 but it was just the sacrifice that me as the father decided to make. And dads, you may have to make that

00:55:05.880 sacrifice and moms, you may have to do some of that as well. But, um, if you can work from home and 0.70

00:55:11.400 I would really encourage you to consider anyway, uh, moving out a little bit further so you can get,

00:55:16.120 and you can't afford a home where you live, move out to get one where you can't afford.

00:55:20.360 But hopefully this housing scenario will correct itself. Those things generally do not always in

00:55:26.520 the same timing that we want, but they generally do correct themselves through,

00:55:30.200 through just the normal markets of supply and demand.

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00:56:41.000 The next, the other question that I, that I get is, um, should we trust the FBI's investigation

00:56:47.240 into Charlie Kirk? Wow. Well, you know, I think we should always be skeptical of investigations by

00:56:56.680 our government. Doesn't mean that all of them are corrupt because they certainly are not. In fact,

00:57:01.480 probably the vast, vast majority are straight down the middle like they should be. Um, but I do believe

00:57:08.360 that we should always ask questions, be skeptical, you know, encourage our media to be, uh, transparent and

00:57:15.480 to, and, and dig into this. And we, though, I believe that just because everything doesn't make

00:57:24.440 sense, doesn't mean there was a conspiracy. All right. Now, sometimes it feels like a conspiracy

00:57:31.320 because there is a conspiracy. I don't know of any, any scenario in this situation that is,

00:57:37.640 that has shown that yet, but I just read where director Patel is, they are following all of these

00:57:43.400 leads. And there are some questions out there about, you know, text messages that were sent and

00:57:49.960 people that visited the home before leading up to the murder and all that type of stuff.

00:57:54.920 So I just think that we watch it, process it, go through, try not to believe everything you read

00:58:00.280 on the internet. I mean, even coming from your friends, that it's just, people just speculate so

00:58:07.560 much without having the facts. So try not to do that. Uh, listen to Allie. I know that she'll

00:58:12.600 stay on top of it. There's some other people you can listen to like Bill O'Reilly that she's had on

00:58:17.080 her show that really deals with the facts. Uh, so try to do that as opposed to following, 0.87

00:58:22.120 you know, just random things that happen on the internet. Uh, the next thing, the next question is,

00:58:28.120 is it okay to decide to quit having children? And this, and this person that called in said,

00:58:33.560 we're already at four and well, that's a very personal decision, but surely it's okay. Yeah,

00:58:39.800 absolutely. That's up to you. And that's it. That's a decision that between, uh, the husband

00:58:44.040 and wife and, uh, through their seeking the Lord's will in that, uh, it's totally up to you. There's

00:58:49.960 not a, um, there's not a, you know, a biblical command that says you must have X number of children.

00:58:56.280 Now I know that, uh, uh, Charlie would say, here's what you do. You, uh, you know, you,

00:59:00.680 you, uh, find a spine to find someone that you can marry, get married, you know, uh, have faith in

00:59:07.560 God, have children. Right. And so, and I, and I agree with that. And, uh, uh, uh, you know, Lisa and I

00:59:12.880 had three kids. Uh, Allie has three, our oldest son has three, uh, middle son's not married. Uh, so,

00:59:20.760 but that's up to you, but it's certainly okay. There's not a, that's not something that, uh,

00:59:26.000 you, uh, have to feel like you're forced. Now, if the God, if God's calling you to do that,

00:59:30.600 to have more kids, then man, go for it. We need, uh, plenty of young, uh, children that, 1.00

00:59:36.720 uh, are living growing up in a Christian, uh, home that, uh, you know, believe in God,

00:59:42.160 believe in this country and what it was founded on, but that's an individual and, uh, or actually

00:59:48.160 a coupled decision that you need to make. Uh, this next question I thought was really

00:59:53.080 interesting and I'm glad you asked it because it is true. The question was why do so many baby

00:59:57.580 boomers, which are people in my area, people that were born between 1946 and 1964, why do so many of

01:00:03.720 those, what we would still, or maybe former call or currently still call Republicans slash conservatives,

01:00:10.320 why do they have Trump derangement syndrome so much? I don't know the specific answer, but I can give

01:00:17.280 you my general opinion on it based on my observation of people and my, uh, you know, experience in the

01:00:22.700 political world and in the business world. And that is we grew up in an era where we, we grew up in the

01:00:30.920 Ronald Reagan era, right? And so Ronald Reagan went about things much differently than Donald Trump does.

01:00:40.960 His personality is different. Uh, his approach on things are different. Their underlying goals are

01:00:48.380 very, very similar. Okay. Isn't that they believe that, you know, the, the worst thing you can have

01:00:55.720 say heard from the government is I'm the government and I'm here to help. I remember president Reagan

01:01:00.200 said that I know president Trump believes that in a lot of ways also. And so we measure how someone

01:01:08.940 that we respect in the highest office in the land should conduct themselves. And so when, when someone

01:01:15.040 conducts themselves differently than that, and president Trump really is the first person on the

01:01:19.940 Republican side that has conducted himself in such a different way that we automatically are, you know,

01:01:29.660 that's kind of a, uh, I'm not sure about that. And I remember when president Trump first ran, um,

01:01:34.700 I certainly wasn't sure about that. I'm like, seriously, this guy, I didn't really know. I

01:01:38.420 didn't know who Donald Trump was, but I didn't know him. And, uh, hadn't spent much time thinking

01:01:42.720 about him. Didn't watch the apprentice, didn't keep up with him or anything like that. But I think

01:01:47.740 what happens is, is that, so we measure Donald Trump and how he conducts himself against Ronald

01:01:53.760 Reagan. And we don't like that comparison. Now on the bottom line is most of those people that

01:02:01.820 say have Trump derangement syndrome, they, they really do agree with his policies, even if they're

01:02:08.320 not willing to admit it, they do. And so I just think that's the reason, uh, I, you know, but just

01:02:15.500 because I've been more engaged and involved, uh, I've gotten past all of that for sure. Uh, I saw, I,

01:02:22.740 I, you know, somebody once said, you know, I can't hear what you say for seeing what you do.

01:02:29.200 And that's the way I had to do it with president Trump. I had to roll off some of the stuff he

01:02:33.800 said, he says a lot of things I would never say, but when I pull all that back and I look at what

01:02:38.400 he's done and the people that he's surrounded himself with, oh man. In fact, right now, I think

01:02:42.820 he probably has the strongest, uh, cabinet and the strongest, uh, group of appointees that any

01:02:49.080 president that's been conservative could ever have had. So very, very pleased with that. And, uh,

01:02:54.960 all of these appointees that they said weren't qualified have certainly worked out, I think,

01:02:59.700 pretty well so far. And I think they'll continue to work out, work that well also. Uh, the question

01:03:05.400 to also, should we get life insurance on kids? I've gotten a couple of emails on life insurance.

01:03:10.500 Let me explain to you what life insurance is. Okay. And this seems over simple. So don't,

01:03:15.360 I'm not trying to be sarcastic, but life insurance is simply that it is set up so that if something

01:03:23.720 happens to someone who, um, need, who, who, who, uh, is providing a financial value to your family,

01:03:36.740 then life insurance on that person can be important. If you don't have other assets that would take the

01:03:44.800 place of whatever financial value that they had. For example, I used to have quite a bit of life

01:03:50.160 insurance when I was younger, because if something happened to me, Lisa was a school teacher and,

01:03:56.160 and most of the time I stay at home mom, but a school teacher by training, she could not replace 1.00

01:04:01.980 quickly the income that I was bringing to the table every year. So I needed to have enough life

01:04:07.660 insurance where that she could continue to have a reasonable lifestyle with the kids.

01:04:14.120 If she, if she, uh, even if she didn't increase her income at all, but once that we were able to

01:04:21.600 have our savings and then my company grew and that had value in it, once that equaled or exceeded

01:04:29.460 what I knew, if something happened to me that I left her with these new assets that she could take care 0.90

01:04:36.880 of herself, then I didn't need that life insurance anymore. So several years ago, I don't,

01:04:42.700 I took, I took my life insurance away. I don't have any life insurance other than something

01:04:47.140 attached to a long-term care policy that I have. Um, and so when you ask about, do you need life

01:04:53.320 insurance? Just in it, let's say that I, let's say that even, even, but even when our kids were

01:04:58.140 little, I also had some on Lisa because if something happened to her, I needed to keep working, but I

01:05:03.180 still needed to help fill her, fill the shoes that she had as a caretaker of our children and home and

01:05:10.420 those types of things. So I had some life insurance on her because I knew I would have to go out and,

01:05:14.700 you know, pay for that. And so that's the way you need to think about life insurance. Now,

01:05:18.700 when it gets specifically to, should I have life insurance on your children? I did that when they

01:05:23.120 were very young. I bought a small policy on each of them. At the time it was a universal life. It

01:05:29.300 wasn't, it wasn't strictly term, wasn't strictly whole life. It was a universal life policy. And

01:05:34.680 then what I, and I did that so that they would have life insurance that was guaranteed for them,

01:05:42.220 meaning that it couldn't be canceled on them as long as the premiums pay, because they may have

01:05:47.380 gotten to a situation where they had a health scenario where they couldn't get insurance, but

01:05:51.500 they would have that insurance again for the same thing, not so that Lisa and I would benefit,

01:05:57.120 but so that if they say they got married, then their spouse would benefit from that.

01:06:02.180 If they passed away, you know, prematurely and what have you, while they still needed the income

01:06:07.580 that my, my kids were making. So that's up to you. It's cheapest to buy it when they're young.

01:06:12.940 You know, I think it cost me $300 a year or something like that to get them each $100,000 policy.

01:06:17.860 Now, when they got married, I just turned that over to them and whether they kept it or not,

01:06:21.920 I don't know. It's up, it was up to them to do that, but that's what I did. And it's obviously

01:06:27.220 your choice. The next question is, is it okay for me to quit my $100,000 a year job to be a stay-at-home

01:06:35.200 mom and live on my, my husband's $60,000 a year job as a policeman? Again, very personal choice.

01:06:43.020 There's not a right or wrong answer generally for that. There is a right or wrong answer for each

01:06:48.240 person's family. And you just have to be willing to, if that's something that you feel called to do,

01:06:53.860 then you need to obviously honor that call. Um, but you may not be called it just because other

01:07:00.180 people will do it. Doesn't mean that's what you should do. But you also though, if you do do that,

01:07:04.600 you have to be willing to adjust your lifestyle to live at a $60,000 level. And it can't be one that

01:07:09.340 complains all the time about us not having enough money. You have to be very satisfied with being at

01:07:15.380 $60,000. And that based on you haven't, you know, your income being a hundred and your husband's at

01:07:21.300 60, that means you're going to have to give up a hundred thousand dollars worth of something,

01:07:26.580 whether maybe you were saving all that money. Okay. That'd be great. But you probably weren't,

01:07:30.100 you could probably had, you know, probably may affect that the type of house you lived in,

01:07:33.100 the type of activities that you, you and a family could do the types of vacations.

01:07:37.500 If, if, if you feel called to be a stay-at-home mom, then yes, you should do that. But you have

01:07:44.000 to be able to adjust your lifestyle with joy, with joy to the new scenario. If it's going to be one

01:07:52.480 that's going to cause super extra stress in the home, then you have to really evaluate whether or

01:07:58.020 not that's something that you were called to do, or you just wanted to do it. Um, but just remember

01:08:03.780 they, all of the, our decisions come with consequences and the consequences of following

01:08:10.380 the Lord's will is long-term, long-term joy, but you have to be willing, if that's what you're called

01:08:16.960 to do, to make sure that you have that and you understand that going into it. Um, uh, here's one

01:08:24.360 that's kind of tough, but I'm just going to tell you my tough answer. And, um, the question was, Hey,

01:08:28.900 my husband's stepfather is really mean to our children. So his step-grandchildren,

01:08:36.640 what should we do about that? Well, first, obviously first thing is your husband has to

01:08:42.000 have a conversation with him and has to say, look, uh, you're not going to be mean to my kids.

01:08:47.740 Okay. You're not going to say mean things to them. If you're going to say mean things to them,

01:08:50.800 then you're not going to be a part of their life. And your mom has to, his mom has to understand that

01:08:55.300 as well. Does it mean the mom can't come see him or they can't meet the mom somewhere and spend time

01:08:59.900 with the grandmother, but I'm not going to subject my kid, my grandkids to my, whether it's my 0.55

01:09:06.820 biological father or my stepfather, uh, that he's going to, in my opinion, verbally abuse them,

01:09:14.180 just not going to do it. I, you know, I'm sorry, I'm not going to do that. And you shouldn't either.

01:09:18.700 And if the stepfather is not willing to change, then, uh, you have to remove them from that situation

01:09:24.320 and figure out another way. If the grandmother is someone they have a good relationship with,

01:09:27.700 figure out another way to do that. Now that's going to cause tension between your stepfather and

01:09:31.940 your, uh, and your mother, but that's not your issue. Okay. That's their issue. That's not your

01:09:38.300 issue. And remember that. Uh, the next thing is how do I help my husband find Jesus? Wow. That's a hard

01:09:46.860 one. And, uh, again, um, we can't help Jesus come. We, we can't make Jesus come into his life because

01:09:54.520 Jesus says, I stand at the door and knock and whoever answers, I'm willing to come in,

01:09:59.160 but your husband's going to have to answer. My, my answer to you is keep living your life,

01:10:05.620 honoring Jesus and honoring him. Obviously if he's abusive, which you didn't say that in your

01:10:10.880 question. So I assume he's not, then you're not required to stay in that situation in any shape,

01:10:16.040 form or fashion. But the way I think that they're the best way to do it is if you're trying to,

01:10:22.440 don't try to force him to do Christian things, right? Like go to church or do this or do that.

01:10:29.840 You help him encourage people that, you know, to be good, solid men to get involved in his life.

01:10:39.180 Maybe, you know, some couples, you know, through the wife where the husband is a solid Christian

01:10:44.280 and you can encourage that guy. Hey, why don't you, why don't you call my husband? Y'all go to lunch

01:10:48.100 sometime. Or, Hey, he likes to play golf. Why don't y'all go play golf? Or he likes to hunt. Why don't you do that?

01:10:52.100 And, and you don't want the guy, you don't want your friend's husband to, um, you know,

01:10:57.880 jump on him right away and say, well, Hey, tell me about your faith. You want them to build a

01:11:02.560 relationship. And then they had the opportunity for his heart to be open to something that Christ

01:11:10.180 would be willing to walk into. And then you can build a discipleship with that. So that's what I

01:11:17.480 would do. And, um, obviously that's something that I know is heavy on your heart and it's not

01:11:22.500 a light matter, but you continue to live your life. And then you try to get other Christian men that

01:11:29.380 you know, to engage with him on a friendship relationship basis and let God take it from

01:11:34.560 there. Um, all right, this next one, the last one that I'm going to read again, if I didn't read yours,

01:11:40.560 please just, um, email me back and I'm happy to, to, uh, answer yours is parenting boy toddlers.

01:11:47.440 Well, the first thing I'd tell you is make sure your house is totally rubberized because it will

01:11:52.020 be destroyed. There's no question about that. Our boys were, were pretty good. They weren't super,

01:11:57.940 you know, off the chart wild or anything like that, but boys need to be able to experience

01:12:05.880 danger. And what I mean by that, not danger in a way that, you know, they're obviously, if, if

01:12:12.840 thing goes wrong, they're going to get, they're really going to get hurt, but they need to be able

01:12:17.300 to scratch, have their knees scratched. They need to be able to, you know, have conflict with friends

01:12:23.040 and what have you. They need to be able to, you know, dig in the mud, do all those types of things.

01:12:29.800 Now I do think there's a limit on how angry you can let them be with each other. Cause I do think

01:12:35.860 no matter what, that brothers need to treat each other with respect. Okay. They may have different

01:12:42.000 personalities and they may fight quite a bit, but at the end of the day, they need to teach each other

01:12:47.340 with respect and you have to teach them to be able to do that. Um, outside of that, you kind of

01:12:52.960 have to give a little bit of rope so that they, you want them to develop their masculinity. That's 1.00

01:12:58.520 part of developing masculinity. We've demasculized so many boys, you know, in our, in our country and

01:13:04.020 young men that they don't know how to be boys. And we need to make sure that we're encouraging

01:13:09.000 it. They need to be outside. Okay. All of, all of you that have kids that live at totally in the

01:13:13.200 city, you got to get them in some way. You got to figure out how to get them out of the city,

01:13:17.280 get out to some rural areas, let them run, play, do whatever, take them to hunt, take them to

01:13:22.720 fish, you know, camp out, all those types of things. You got to be able to do that so that

01:13:27.380 they can, that's just a natural thing for them. They learn to be a protector. They learn to be a

01:13:32.800 hunter. They learn to be a gatherer. Those are all things that are, that are just really important

01:13:36.760 to becoming a young man. And, uh, this starts when they're, when they're little boys. So do that.

01:13:42.320 Now, just a few more things we're wrapping up here for the day, but I always like to do wisdom from

01:13:46.820 the wagon. And most of you have heard me talk about my book, Life Lessons from the Little Red

01:13:50.800 Wagon. If you haven't read that, please go to Audible and get that, or go online to Amazon

01:13:55.380 and get it. If you'd like to have the hard copy book, just let me know. I can also, uh, happy to,

01:14:01.300 if you want one, email you one, uh, I think they cost 20 bucks or something like that. And I'll happy

01:14:06.240 to autograph it for you, but Life Lessons from the Little Red Wagon. So I call this last bit section

01:14:10.580 wisdom from the wagon. All right. Wisdom from the wagon. Um, and one of those pieces of wisdom is what,

01:14:17.200 what books are you reading? What do you, what book would you recommend? Well, you know,

01:14:22.860 we've already talked about one of them, but that's not what I'm here to talk about today.

01:14:25.620 What I'm talking about today is there's a book by Tim Keller and, uh, and it, and it, and it's,

01:14:31.260 it's about every good endeavor. Okay. And I don't know this and these people, when I recommend a book

01:14:36.720 and the author doesn't mean I believe everything that they say. Okay. They may have other books I

01:14:41.580 don't agree with, but this one is really talks about how you can take your, whatever job you're

01:14:47.760 in, whatever career you're in and turn that into a mission field. It doesn't mean that you're out

01:14:53.720 witnessing and evangelizing at work every day, beating people over the head. But what it might

01:14:58.460 mean is that your endeavor. Okay. Maybe, maybe that you're in an endeavor that makes a lot of money so

01:15:04.340 that you can support a charity that's out, you know, in the mission field somewhere, but it's a

01:15:09.480 really, really good book. And it helped me get a perspective because sometimes when you're in the

01:15:13.700 business world and you're a Christian businessman, you figure you're focusing too much on business

01:15:18.020 and you need to be doing more ministry. This really kind of helps you understand that better.

01:15:22.400 So I would encourage that. Uh, the last thing is, um, just a little bit of, I don't know,

01:15:29.640 interaction from me. And it kind of goes back to the Charlie Kirk thing. You know, there are events

01:15:33.620 that go on during our lifetime that are personal tipping points. And the most of you have heard of

01:15:40.440 the book by Malcolm Gladwell, tipping points and, or they're much bigger societal tipping points.

01:15:47.260 For example, one of societal tipping points was nine 11 when, uh, you know, when we had the terrorist

01:15:52.460 attack, uh, in Boston and Washington and in New York city, that was a societal tipping point.

01:15:59.040 Society changed COVID in some ways was a societal tipping point. Never, not always for the good.

01:16:05.140 Okay. Uh, but it is something that, that we're, we're going down a path of history and all of a

01:16:11.580 sudden it takes a little bit of a turn. Okay. And there's been lots of those in, in history.

01:16:16.420 What happens when you have those is you have to decide what that means to you. Okay. And I think

01:16:23.180 we had one of those last week with the passing of Charlie Kirk and how it happened.

01:16:26.940 And the outflow of support from around the world. Now I was familiar with Charlie Kirk mainly through

01:16:34.200 Allie and I had no idea the influence he had around the world. Um, I, I wasn't shocked at the

01:16:41.260 turnout in, in, uh, the United States, although some of the blue cities, I was kind of shocked at how

01:16:45.880 big that was, but around the world in Italy and UK and Korea, I mean, just unbelievable. And so I

01:16:53.640 want folks, that's a tipping point. Now, the question is, what are you and I going to do with

01:16:58.440 that tipping point? Are we going to just go back to our daily lives and whatever it is that we're

01:17:03.340 doing? And, you know, this will be something we remember, but we don't really change. Or are we going

01:17:09.380 to say, you know what? The sacrifice that he made and his family has made, what, how's that going to

01:17:17.320 affect me? And what am I going to do about it? Am I going to be a better witness? Am I going to be

01:17:22.340 someone that gets more involved in what's going on in our country so that we don't let the demonic

01:17:28.140 forces. And as they spoke on yesterday, this is a spiritual battle that's many times fought through

01:17:35.220 willing individuals. Okay. And that's what's happening right now. The people that are, that are

01:17:41.300 condemning Charlie, the people that made fun of his death. Those are, it's not really even them

01:17:47.640 speaking, although they're willing participants, it's demonic forces that are speaking through them.

01:17:52.760 And are we going to stand up to that? Are we going to take some of the risks that Charlie took to speak

01:17:57.700 out? All right. Now we'll probably never be put in the same situation he was, and we can't be Charlie

01:18:03.740 Kirk, but we can be Ron Simmons. And when I have the opportunity to speak out on truth, I need to make

01:18:09.920 sure that I'm willing to take the risk to speak out on truth. Even if that's something that puts a risk

01:18:14.960 to me, maybe it, I'm not saying it puts me at physical risk, although I guess it could, but maybe

01:18:19.460 I lose a friend over that, or, or I, uh, you know, or maybe I don't get a, you know, a financial

01:18:26.320 assignment that I've, you know, wanted to get or a consulting agreement, or, or maybe somebody won't read

01:18:31.220 my book or something like that, or I won't get a speaking engagement. Those are risks. Okay. But those are risks

01:18:37.000 that we need to be willing to take individually. Your kids are watching you right now. They're

01:18:41.880 watching you right now on what we do. My kids are still watching me as adults. My grandkids are now

01:18:48.220 watching me. What, what am I going to do? How am I going to stand up? How am I going to make sure

01:18:52.300 that none of this was for naught, and it just goes away in the next few months or few years?

01:18:58.080 So this is a tipping point. And the question is, what are you and I going to do about it?

01:19:04.180 Thanks again. Always good to be with you. Hope you all have a great week.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - September 22, 2025

Ep 1244 ｜ Charlie Kirk Memorial Inspires Great Revival, 'Christian Nationalism' Panic from Media ｜ Ron Simmons

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