Ep 1249 ｜ He Shared the Gospel with Joe Rogan. Here’s What Else He’d Say ｜ Chadd Wright
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Summary
Chad Wright is an incredible theologian and owner of The Three of Seven Project, a company that helps people grow spiritually, physically, and mentally through training and discipleship. He is also a former United States Navy SEAL who served in the elite SEALs and served as a tactical debriefing team leader. In this episode, we talk about Calvinism vs. Arminianism, and his stance that he needs to leave politics altogether.
Transcript
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Chad Wright shared the gospel in an amazing way on Joe Rogan's podcast.
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He is the owner of the Three of Seven Project, and he's here with me today to talk about
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We also talk about his stance that he needs to retreat from politics altogether, and you
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We had such a fun, edifying, biblically rich conversation that you guys are going to love
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Chad Wright, thanks so much for taking the time to join me.
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For those who may not know, can you tell us who you are and what you do?
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I'm a backwoods Navy SEAL wizard hermit from the mountains of, I mean, that's what my buddies
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tell me anyways, from the mountains of Northwest Georgia.
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Oh, I mean, it's just a joke, you know, but yeah, I like to run.
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Um, obviously I've been saved by grace through faith.
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Uh, I'm very passionate about the faith that I've been given and, um, I own a company called
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three of seven project where really the foundation of what we do is train people.
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Uh, I learned that I had a real passion to teach and to train during the latter part of my career
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in the U S Navy, where I was serving as a SEAL instructor for a few years and I was kind of
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And so really that's the, the main bread and butter of our business now.
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And I've just designed a few really unique missions or training experiences where we help
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people grow, uh, physically, mentally, and also spiritually through everything that we do.
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I was trying to be funny there for a minute, but I'm just not a very funny guy.
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I don't know if I can remember backwoods Navy SEAL wizard hermit,
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I mean, I do live on 700 acres in the mountains of Northwest Georgia.
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And there's no one around me and I can literally, the Lord has given me this place to live where
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Um, so the, the pull to become a true hermit is there.
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It's like people ask me all the time, you know, I hear other people talking about how
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tempting it is to quit something in their life, um, whatever it may be.
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And they look at me and they assume, well, Chad never thinks about quitting.
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And I'm like, do you know how often I think about quitting?
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Like everything that I've been called to do almost daily.
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Um, but man, I get to come here, talk to a sister in Christ.
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One, the invitation from you and your team was the first, but again, I'm pretty selective
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And I listened to one of your shows where you were interviewing a, uh, a lady, I forget
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And you guys started the conversation talking about children and having children, which is
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all relatable to me because my wife and I are for the first time in our lives thinking
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And, uh, but then the conversation really shifted into more, um, uh, doctrinal, doctrinal
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And you were so fiercely defending the literal interpretation of the scriptures.
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And like, I really loved your, just your passion, your fierceness.
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Uh, of course, I know the, the, the father's given you all of that.
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I was raised by strong women, you know, when I see a strong woman, I don't know.
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It just couldn't, it hits me, you know, in all the training that we do at three or seven
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I've had, I've had hundreds of males quit, never had a female student quit.
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You know, the reason I became a Navy SEAL, I watched my mother running marathons and triathlons.
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And she, she was the first person to ever get me out on the trails and show me what it
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And, and, uh, so I'm really thankful for the opportunity to sit down with a sister, especially
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Well, I listened to you on Joe Rogan's podcast and I said, I like this guy because you were
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so persistent in sharing the gospel and so clear.
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I was just so drawn into the whole conversation.
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I think it maybe even started out with squirrel hunting, which I don't know very much about,
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but even that was interesting because I just loved how y'all went back and forth.
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But then how you interwoven with the gospel was so good.
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So I want to talk about that before we even get into your testimony of how you became a
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What was it like sharing the gospel on such a huge stage?
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Well, I mean, I was definitely scared as a cat going in there.
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Well, you know, I've done a lot of crazy stuff in my life, both through being a SEAL and through
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But that's just like a different type of challenge that, you know, is hard for me.
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And, you know, when we're talking on this platform, on that platform, and we know that
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thousands or millions of people are going to hear the words that we say, there's a weight
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And so I was scared going in there, but Joe was very welcoming.
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Had no idea what I was going to talk to Joe about.
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I mean, we communicated on Instagram and he says, yeah, come out to the show.
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So then you're just sitting in this seat and you know that you're going to be there for
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I don't know what you want to talk about today, you know?
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And so there's always nerves going in those conversations.
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But, you know, he's the one that led into that conversation around faith and why I believe
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And then, um, and, and really Holy Spirit really took over.
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I'm not an intellectual type and, you know, Holy Spirit took over and allowed me to say
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I mean, people think people will watch that episode or anything else I say.
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You, and you can tell people till you're blue in the face.
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I didn't have any of that pre-prepared any, any time I ever go and do this.
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It's like, I submit myself to Holy Spirit in prayer.
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I've been praying and reading scripture in the green room before I come in here because
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it's so important for me to get myself out of the way.
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And I don't think people really believe that they think, oh yeah, Chad, you know, you're
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Like you catch me at a, at an ultra marathon or something.
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Holy Spirit led me through that conversation in the way that it went.
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And, um, I, I don't even remember what all I said, but I know there has been quite a bit
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of pushback against the things that we talked about on that episode, because we have been
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taught a man centered, uh, gospel or evangelical, the evangelical message in America has been
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And anytime you come in with the true message of scripture, uh, as it pertains to the sovereignty
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of God, especially over matters pertaining to salvation, man's ability, man's choice.
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You come in with something like that and half the Christian community comes at you like you're
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Uh, and, and, and so that's been an interesting journey for me on the backside of that.
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Um, because it's, it is so important for us to understand that to understand that the order
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of salvation, that those whom the father foreknew, he predestined and those whom he predestined,
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he called and those whom he called, he justified and those whom he justified, he glorified, not
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he might glorify, not those he calls, he might justify depending on what decision they make.
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And I can show you scriptures over and over and over again in, in the Holy Bible and every
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scripture that we look at that speaks to specifically to man's ability, what he can or cannot do.
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We have forgotten the state that we are in, the fallen state that we are in, in the severity
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Because half the church is walking around out here and they are not sure whether they're
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If you think your salvation is based off of a choice that you made one day to invite
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Jesus into your heart, well, you better be, you better be wondering whether you're saved
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or not or whether you're going to stay saved or not, because you know what people do?
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And a Christian, a man or woman who has been pronounced justified by a sovereign God, the
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king of kings, you know, one of the names for the father in the scriptures is the sovereign
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one, one who's been pronounced justified by him ought to walk through this life in confidence
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But we, so many of us walk through this life thinking that it was all hinged upon a choice
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that we made and we're hoping we don't change our minds one day.
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It renders them ineffective for the entire duration of their life.
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Well, two, it is the very thing that is going to allow you to experience rest in the assurance
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of your salvation, that the work has been done by God in you.
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I don't have to come on here and share the gospel in any specific way that I think is going
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But what I have to say to the unbeliever is very short.
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Like I can expound on that and we should expound on that.
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So, you know, people who say, well, you know, you didn't really preach the gospel to the
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Well, that would have been a real short podcast.
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Let's break this down a little bit because I'm in the same camp as you.
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When you talk about Calvinism or, you know, predestination or God's sovereignty or an emphasis
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on God's sovereignty, you get a lot of people who get very angry and they'll say that's heresy.
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And I've got people in my audience who will certainly say that.
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And I've been, you know, talking about that position for a long time too, makes people
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But the truth of the matter is, is that if God is all-powerful and if God is all-knowing
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and he's not suspended by linear time the way that we are, then how would it be possible
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for him to not also be in charge of our salvation?
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It doesn't, the non-sovereignty position that God is in control of everything except for
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this one thing, like except for your salvation, that that thing is what depends on you and
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that depends on your will and something mustering up in your heart to accept him, that position
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And yet, as you said, people get very frustrated by the fact that, you know, Ephesians 2 says
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Well, what can a dead person do for themselves?
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But God, being rich in mercy because of the great love with which he loved us, made us alive
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And that faith not of your own, but a gift so that no man should boast.
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Because to me, I'm like, well, it's just there.
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I understand why it's hard to unpack, maybe, but it's just there.
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Why do you think people, even who are Christians, get so frustrated by that?
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I think because the first reason, it is the final nail in the coffin of your pride.
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It leaves you with nothing to cling to other than the sovereign grace of God.
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And I think the second reason is, is intellectually, when we present the sovereignty of God, especially
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as it pertains to salvation, when we present that on the surface level, as we are doing
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right now, because we would have to do a 20-part series to view all the scriptures that pertain
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to this, when you present it on the surface level, it poses all of these problems in people's
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mind from an intellectual standpoint, in terms of, well, then God is the author of evil.
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And it's like, it's because you are stopping your search for the answer to this doctrine
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You're saying, well, Chad and Allie are saying that this and that, well, it causes all these
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The scriptures tell us that humans have will, but it is a limited will.
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We see evidence of human freedom in the very beginning of the Bible.
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Bad people are making bad decisions every day, and they do indeed mean those decisions
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The problem is you won't make the right decision because of exactly what you just said.
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I mean, when Martin Luther, during the Reformation, starts to bring all these scriptures to light,
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all the popes and the Catholic people and all that, they even come to Martin Luther and
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they say, well, you know, we see where you're coming from, but we can't preach this.
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We just, we've got to just, it's there, but we just can't talk about it.
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Like, this is, this to me, for me, has been the most glorious doctrine of the scripture
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apart from the crucifixion of the Lord of glory, God in flesh, Jesus Christ, and what
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This doctrine has been the most glorious doctrine for me in terms of it has just set me free.
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It has, it has made me realize the greatness and the majesty and the power of this almighty
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And it has also made me appreciate his grace at a whole nother level.
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If you think your decision is why you are saved, that's not grace.
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You know, when we, when we go to prayer, when we go to the Lord in prayer and we say, Lord,
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I want to take a minute to thank you for my salvation.
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But before I, before I go any further, I want to have a me moment.
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Now, Lord, thank you for your son that died on the cross.
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So what do you say when people say, okay, well, we've got whoever calls upon the name of
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We've got John 3, 16, which says, whoever believes in him will not perish, but have eternal
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There will be people who say, okay, well, obviously it is dependent upon our choice, our choice
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And that is, I'm not sure exactly how they explain the grace aspect of it, but from our
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Arminian friends, those who say, well, no, that initial step towards God is what is required
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I mean, it's basically the easiest question you could possibly ask me.
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You know, what, what people who are looking at those verses, John 3, 16 being probably
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Um, the reason that's so confusing to you is because of, of, uh, you've been taught the
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Um, let me ask you any of those verses that you just quoted or any other verses that, that
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anybody can come up with in scripture that, that they think would militate against this
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I want you to show me a verse that affirms the ability of man in his natural state.
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Show me a verse that speaks specifically to his ability and affirms his ability in the
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You won't find one, you won't find one, every verse that you're going to find that speaks
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specifically to what man can and cannot do is always cannot every single time.
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Look, when we read scripture, what we are doing when we interpret the scriptures is we
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I've come to the conclusion, the only way to preach is expository preaching.
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Pastors like to preach and speak on their experience.
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That's why I don't care about talking about my story on here.
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I don't care about an emotion that you might be having as it pertains to something that
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And so when we look at these scriptures, when we see the word whomsoever, okay, whomsoever
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Well, that doesn't militate against what we're saying here.
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That just means that whomsoever, black, white, Jew, Greek, poor, rich, it doesn't matter.
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There's no one who cannot be saved by the blood that was shed by the God-man, Jesus Christ,
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Any human on earth, regardless of your social standing, your race, creed, or color, you can
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The blood will and can save you if you are one of the Almighty's elect.
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We see verses all the time that are exhorting us to do something that we know we can't do.
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How does that militate against what we're saying here?
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Verses that exhort us to do what we ought to do have no bearing on our perspective of fallen
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Okay, I know that you just said that, you know, your story doesn't matter, but people
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So can you indulge us for a little bit on how you became a Christian?
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And I'm guessing you probably weren't steeped in, you know, election theology right away.
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So I'm just curious about your journey of faith.
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So I grew up obviously in the South, so I'd heard the gospel many, many times.
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I had been to a church meeting many, many times and heard the gospel, been around Christian
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I would say, at best, I was agnostic for most of my adult life.
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So if I do die, well, surely whatever being created all this will send me to a good place.
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You know, it's the same story when we look back.
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We all have the same, at least if we live some life prior to receiving the gift of salvation.
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Like, you think that you're generally a good person.
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You think that most humans are generally good, minus a few crazy ones, and whatever's in them
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It's one of the things that happens when you receive Holy Spirit and you are made spiritually
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alive along this process of sanctification is an increasing awareness of your sin to the
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point that the Apostle Paul literally referenced himself as the chief of sinners, as a wretched
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You know, I'm indulging in some pretty significant wickedness, sexual sin.
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I didn't really love anyone, I mean, to be honest with you.
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People say, well, you didn't love your mother or your father or, you know, your wife or all
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Look, man, you don't know what love is until you've received the gift of salvation, because
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And when the Father is not in you, you're just essentially loving for selfish reasons.
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Even the good things that I did do prior to salvation, those good things were not motivated
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out of a love for God and a desire to please Him.
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Therefore, none of the good things that I even did when I was living that life were accounted
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I didn't care, you know, I mean, I wasn't a murderer, but like, you know, that's kind
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And I went on a deployment up to North Africa to do some work up there during the Arab Spring
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when the, you know, the terrorists or whatever were sacking all the embassies up there.
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And we came back down, left there and came back down into Germany to just re-jock our gear.
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And then we were headed out to Nigeria, which, by the way, if you're listening to this, please
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pray for our brothers and sisters in Nigeria who are suffering legitimate persecution, not
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the persecution you're used to around here where somebody says, oh, you're a fool or a
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Well, before I went to Nigeria, I was in Germany and I was staying in a barracks that somehow,
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some way, still don't understand it, don't even think about it very often, had some sort
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And that thing, after about a week, had me so afraid that I couldn't even lay down and
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I mean, the first thing that happened is I was laying in my bed and something hit my
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And then I'm laying there in my sleep and I could hear echoing voices up and down the
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It was just like sound, kind of an eerie sound echoing up and down the hallway.
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And there was, I was immediately fearful, which is strange being the type of man that
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I am, wouldn't usually experience fear as an emotion related to an occurrence like that.
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But I felt this fear and I believe that fear was because this entity, whatever it is, was
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causing that fear in me and in the guys that I was with.
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And progressively, this thing manifests itself in different ways.
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But the, the, the, really the most powerful manifestation of this thing in that place was this sense
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of fear that was in this place to the point that I didn't even want to walk in there, but
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So I ended up calling my brother who I knew was a Christian.
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He says, put me on speakerphone, walk around the hallways.
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And he's praying in the name of Jesus over speakerphone from thousands of miles away.
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While I walk up and down these hallways, he tells me to take a little dab of olive oil,
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anoint the door of the room that I'm staying in.
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And to make a long story short, whatever that thing was left by the authority through
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this man, this believer's prayer, wielding the name, this name, Jesus Christ, whatever
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this thing was, obeyed and left and just peace returned to this place and no more strange
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And so I got my hands on a Bible and I began reading the scriptures because why would you
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I've seen evidence that there is some power being wielded here and the Holy Spirit, by
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the grace of God, open my eyes to the truth of the gospel.
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And that is all encompassing, the realization of my own sin.
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What purpose is this Jesus and does he have in my life, you know?
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And it's like, once my eyes were opened, I changed in a lot of ways overnight.
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It's in terms of my language and the way I viewed other people and the husband that I was
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going to be when I got back home off of that deployment and the things that I watched and
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That something happens in you that can completely change your desires.
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Like, you cannot change your desires, nor can you force yourself to believe in something
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You can't force yourself one day to believe in this crazy, insane message of the gospel.
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Like, uh, but I was given this gift of faith that changed me and I've been following Christ
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And it's been a long process of, of sanctification being made more Christ-like that's ongoing
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It's a really important key to people who might be new to this kind of theological discussion,
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When you said the gift of faith that was given to you, we know that without faith, it's
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We know that faith is a requirement of salvation.
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But your point is, and of course I agree with this, is that even that faith that is required
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That faith that is required for salvation, even that is not credited to us.
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That's credited to God's total grace in deciding to save us and make us alive, right?
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Yes, that is what the scripture says about this faith that we have.
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I've been thinking a lot about, too, you know, the verse I quoted a little earlier on Romans
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chapter 8, that calling is another thing that confuses people.
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I mean, the gospel should go out to all the world.
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Many people hear the message of the gospel, and they hear that general calling.
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But there is this calling that comes to those of us who do indeed receive this unbelievable
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There is this calling that awakens you, and there's a question that you ask.
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That's where it all began for me when I got my hands on the Bible and saw the truth of
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Well, then the journey begins when I said, who are you, Lord?
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I look and I see how close my experience was to an experience that was captured by scripture.
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And it's not like Saul woke up one day and was like, you know what, I'm kind of feeling
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As far as we know, he felt totally great about it.
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We read that he approved of the martyrdom of Stephen.
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It literally took Jesus interrupting his life, making him blind in order for him to be able
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And that's what you're saying is that that's not just his testimony.
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And a lot of people will hear that and even Christians and they'll say, well, I don't
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Well, that call could happen when you're four years old.
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That call could happen when you're six years old.
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You don't that that call we see in Scripture, that calling can happen in the mother's womb
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when we see John the Baptist leap for joy in his mother's womb.
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That doesn't militate against what we're saying here.
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What do you say to people who say, well, that actually causes me anxiety because you'll
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if people say, well, what if I'm not chosen or what if my kids aren't chosen?
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If God is just going to choose, then some people will say that that really makes them
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Well, now we're getting into the kind of the meat and getting kind of going down from
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I mean, if and when the Almighty blesses me with a child, am I going to feel some anxiety
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until that child does receive this gift of faith?
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I'm going to beg the Father with all my might on behalf of this person.
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Not that I think I can sway his will, but I'm going to.
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But a prayer of a righteous person has great power as it is working.
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I mean, if he gives me one, like until, I mean, that moment that your child does indeed
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repent and believe in the gospel of Jesus Christ, I mean, I cannot imagine the weight
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I mean, I haven't experienced that, but I have to imagine that is a weight that you carry
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Like my kid's born with a, with a, with a fallen nature, just like I was born.
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Of course, I'm, I have to trust in the Almighty that he is going to call this child for, for
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his own purposes and according to his own will and grace, you know?
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In terms of evangelizing, preaching the gospel, sending that general call out, again, it's
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amazing to me how many people are confused about this.
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When we read the scripture, we see that according to the Almighty sovereign will, he has chosen
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to use his elect in order to carry out his plans and his will here in this natural world.
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Like what a gift it is because every one of you that are thinking, well, why do I even
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Well, what a gift it is that he's chosen to use us to do something for him that he doesn't
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We're command, and that's why we do it because we're exhorted and commanded to do it.
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And we see that is the way that the father brings about his will is through his people,
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not because he has to, but because that is a blessing upon us that we've been made useful
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I've been thinking a lot about evangelism as a whole and our American perspective on what
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And I think when we look at it in scripture, it's the scattering of the seed, right?
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And sometimes it falls here and sometimes it falls there, you know, and only God makes
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Oh, well, that again confirms what we've been talking about the whole time.
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But I think also in terms of evangelism, I think our American view of evangelism has become
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I think we, I'm telling, we in this country have so much, we are clueless about so many
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Teaching them all the things that I've taught you.
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Why does that mean everything in scripture and not just your red letters?
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I've never understood why anybody puts red letters in a Bible as if those words are of
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more importance and maybe those words are the only words that we are called to teach
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If we believe that the scripture, no, if the scripture says that it is God breathed, then
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that means everything in that scripture is the word of God the Father, God the Son, and
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But, you know, we want to go out and hand somebody a track or tell them something and, you know,
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they say a prayer of faith, of accepting Christ, which you won't find that prayer anywhere in the
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They say that prayer and then we, you know, we tally those up in our congregations, right?
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Oh, we had 300 people saved over here last year, you know, or these men's groups that
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Oh, we had 20 men saved and they never talked to them again.
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Like, what is this type of evangelism that we call, that we, well, we're not just called
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to make converts and then go along and count them up as numbers so that we can, you know,
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We're called to be teachers, teaching them all the things that we've been given from
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the word of God, calling people to repentance and baptism in the name of the Father, the
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You know, I think it's such an important conversation to have as people are talking
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Obviously, we do want people to convert to Christianity from whatever belief system they
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But I am so—I feel so much angst over the people who are curious about church and curious
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about Christianity because I just want to make sure that those of us who are in the
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church are going to disciple those people, that we're going to take them under our wing
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and that we're not just saying, wow, my pews are full.
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But to that young girl who doesn't know about Christianity, it's my responsibility to meet
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And I think that's a really important component of revival.
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Whether or not we're in one, I think, is yet to be seen.
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But if we want true change and if we want true additions to the body of Christ, I do think
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that discipleship component is really, really important.
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And we're pretty—and we as the American church are pretty much too lazy to do that
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We're too lazy in a spiritual sense to do that.
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Revival, if there is true revival, it's wrought by God.
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And I think, like you said, how do we assess it?
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But I think another component of revival—actually, a very key component is repentance.
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It is turning away from all the crap that you're allowing to exist in your life.
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Now, I'm partly speaking to the body of Christ right now.
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I mean, I'm exhorting unbelievers to do this, but I'm also speaking to the body of Christ.
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Literally hating the sin that exists inwardly and outwardly, turning away from it, and not then trying to be a better person.
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But turning away from it, and turning to the resurrected Christ, our Lord and Savior Jesus, the Lamb without spot.
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Turning to Him, wanting Him more than anything else.
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I mean, imagine if we had hundreds of thousands or millions of people here in this country who had awareness of their sin
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and began to hate it, hate it so much that their every desire was to mortify their flesh, crucify their flesh,
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and to take up their cross daily and follow this King, Jesus Christ.
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We've agreed on a lot of stuff, and I actually came...
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I actually came into this podcast, and I thought, I hope I do not make her mad.
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I don't think of all the thousands of guests that I've had, I don't know.
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I can only think of a couple who have made me mad.
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I'm not that tough, and I'm not that smart either.
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I think we should start with looking at the life of Christ in Scripture, and His involvement
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and the secular political structure during His life.
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I'll tell you, during COVID and stuff, I mean, I was all in.
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Like, I was genuinely considering campaigning for governor of my state.
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And I just realized how much it was distracting me, and maybe I'm not mature enough to handle
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it, from my passion and love for my Father in Heaven.
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Like, maybe I'm not mature enough to handle it.
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The way that our Lord achieved, brought about victory was totally outside the realm of our
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And I've found that's the way He generally works, that if we...
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Whatever we think, however we think we can achieve victory, be it through politics or be
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it through some other avenue, however we think we can do it, generally the Almighty says,
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It was so filling my heart with sometimes rage.
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So we've been saying this alliteration on my show since probably 2019, maybe 18.
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Politics matter because policy matters because people matter.
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And people matter because they're made in the image of God.
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And politics is not the primary or the only way to love your neighbor, but it's a way to love your neighbor.
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When the policy that is put in place by the people in power means that my unborn neighbor can be legally butchered.
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Or my neighbor who says that he's confused about his gender means he's chemically castrated.
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When it means that my neighbor, who is a young girl who was on a run, but then she got brutally murdered and raped by someone who shouldn't have been here in the first place because he was an illegal alien.
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And there's always going to be someone in power.
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There's always going to be someone who is affecting policy.
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And if Jesus is king, if God is the creator and authority over all of it, and his ways are better, don't I want his ways to infuse policy in a way that affects my neighbor in a good, beneficial way?
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And Romans 13 reminds us that the government was instituted by God to restrain evil, to punish wrong, and to reward good.
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Well, what happens when we have a government who defines good and evil the exact opposite of how God does?
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They punish those who do good, and they reward those who do evil.
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And no political party is perfect, but one political party gets it right more often than the other one does.
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And there will be no perfect person on the ballot ever.
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Since the very beginning, there have always been imperfect people on the ballot.
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I see if Christians all did what you did, we would be in a really, really bad spot.
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I don't think it's good for the child who is legally murdered.
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I don't think it's good for the 12-year-old who gets a double mastectomy.
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I don't think it's good for the parents who lose custody of their child because they won't affirm their gender.
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The state said, well, you have to sign here on the dotted line that you will approve of their gender transition if they ever want to do that.
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Well, we've got this amazing organization called Alliance Defending Freedom, mostly Christian attorneys, who said that violates her constitutional right.
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If we did not have Christians like that who are willing to involve themselves in culture and politics stand up for constitutional rights,
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not only would the rights of someone like Jessica Bates not be protected, but also these kids would be languishing in foster care, and who knows, sent to someone who might castrate them.
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And so it really, when we're talking about how policy tangibly affects the bodies and the lives of people, it's hard for me to see the case for the salt and light to get out of that arena.
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And you know what my answer should have been about why I've abandoned politics?
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Because the Lord hasn't brought me to a place in my faith that I can wield it.
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And I can only pray that the Almighty does continue to mature me and sanctify me to the point that He can,
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and that maybe He will put me in a position one day of influence that has the potential to make an impact for His sons and daughters,
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When we talk about humans, we have been made in the likeness and image of God that humans are so special in all of creation that we're so special that what happened with us affected all of the creation.
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That when all of the creation looks at us, they see the image of God in us, like all other creation.
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It's unbelievable how special every single human is, believer or non-believer.
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But maybe all of us should be, should have the humility to assess like you did, is my heart in the right place?
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And am I in a place spiritually where I can do this in a way that glorifies God?
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And maybe we should all do better at doing exactly what you've done and assessing our hearts, because sometimes we can get so fixated on winning and we got to win the next election.
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And thinking, well, you know, America lives and dies by, you know, this next election, that I still think that there's validity to what you're saying, that we really need to guard our hearts against that kind of idolatry.
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Can you tell everyone where they can learn more if they want to about the company that you have and how they can support and follow you if they want to?
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And I know that you have a large female audience, and I really, really want to encourage my sisters in Christ to get out, train, whether it's with me or whether it's with somebody else, go train, man, because what I saw my mother do changed the trajectory of my life.
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And I want you to understand that as a mother, you have this opportunity to make an impact on your family that is completely unique to you.
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So I just wanted to encourage the female audience to do that.