Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1249 ｜ He Shared the Gospel with Joe Rogan. Here’s What Else He’d Say ｜ Chadd Wright

00:00:01.000 Chad Wright shared the gospel in an amazing way on Joe Rogan's podcast.

00:00:06.560 He is an incredible theologian.

00:00:08.980 He is the owner of the Three of Seven Project, and he's here with me today to talk about

00:00:13.400 the gospel, to talk about salvation.

00:00:15.960 We wade into Calvinism versus Arminianism.

00:00:20.240 We also talk about his stance that he needs to retreat from politics altogether, and you

00:00:27.580 guys probably know what I think about that.

00:00:30.440 We had such a fun, edifying, biblically rich conversation that you guys are going to love

00:00:35.620 so much.

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00:00:54.460 Chad Wright, thanks so much for taking the time to join me.

00:00:57.580 For those who may not know, can you tell us who you are and what you do?

00:01:01.000 Yes, ma'am.

00:01:01.680 My name is Chad Wright.

00:01:03.640 I'm a backwoods Navy SEAL wizard hermit from the mountains of, I mean, that's what my buddies

00:01:11.060 tell me anyways, from the mountains of Northwest Georgia.

00:01:13.760 We're going to have to break that down.

00:01:15.440 I want to know, what do you mean by wizard?

00:01:17.600 Tell us.

00:01:18.160 Oh, I mean, it's just a joke, you know, but yeah, I like to run.

00:01:22.380 Um, obviously I've been saved by grace through faith.

00:01:27.400 Uh, I'm very passionate about the faith that I've been given and, um, I own a company called

00:01:34.860 three of seven project where really the foundation of what we do is train people.

00:01:39.340 Uh, I learned that I had a real passion to teach and to train during the latter part of my career

00:01:47.380 in the U S Navy, where I was serving as a SEAL instructor for a few years and I was kind of

00:01:53.940 developed and taught how to teach.

00:01:55.940 And so really that's the, the main bread and butter of our business now.

00:02:00.780 And I've just designed a few really unique missions or training experiences where we help

00:02:06.580 people grow, uh, physically, mentally, and also spiritually through everything that we do.

00:02:12.040 So I guess that's the professional answer.

00:02:14.780 Yeah.

00:02:14.980 I was trying to be funny there for a minute, but I'm just not a very funny guy.

00:02:18.540 So no, I liked your description of backwoods.

00:02:21.720 I don't know if I can remember backwoods Navy SEAL wizard hermit,

00:02:25.660 wizard hermit.

00:02:26.880 And yet you've come all this way. 0.95

00:02:29.340 I have.

00:02:30.040 It's interesting how people call me a hermit.

00:02:31.920 I mean, I do live on 700 acres in the mountains of Northwest Georgia.

00:02:38.020 Acres.

00:02:38.440 Yes.

00:02:38.880 And there's no one around me and I can literally, the Lord has given me this place to live where

00:02:45.760 I, I don't have to leave.

00:02:48.120 I mean, I'm retired from the military.

00:02:49.660 I don't, I don't have to do any of anything.

00:02:53.080 Um, so the, the pull to become a true hermit is there.

00:03:00.180 It's like people ask me all the time, you know, I hear other people talking about how

00:03:05.980 tempting it is to quit something in their life, um, whatever it may be.

00:03:10.260 And they look at me and they assume, well, Chad never thinks about quitting.

00:03:14.080 And I'm like, do you know how often I think about quitting?

00:03:18.720 Like everything that I've been called to do almost daily.

00:03:24.320 Yeah.

00:03:24.720 Um, but man, I get to come here, talk to a sister in Christ.

00:03:31.760 I tell you what drew me here.

00:03:33.900 One, the invitation from you and your team was the first, but again, I'm pretty selective

00:03:39.360 about leaving that 700 acres.

00:03:41.340 So I said, I got to go check Allie out.

00:03:43.840 And I listened to one of your shows where you were interviewing a, uh, a lady, I forget

00:03:49.360 her name, but she was a Catholic.

00:03:51.060 And you guys started the conversation talking about children and having children, which is

00:03:56.160 all relatable to me because my wife and I are for the first time in our lives thinking

00:04:01.140 about having or trying to have children.

00:04:03.500 And, uh, but then the conversation really shifted into more, um, uh, doctrinal, doctrinal

00:04:11.840 topics, theological topics.

00:04:15.120 And you were so fiercely defending the literal interpretation of the scriptures.

00:04:26.220 And I said, Whoa, I like this woman.

00:04:30.080 And like, I really loved your, just your passion, your fierceness.

00:04:36.940 Uh, of course, I know the, the, the father's given you all of that.

00:04:41.200 Um, but I loved that.

00:04:43.340 Well, thank you.

00:04:44.580 I was raised by strong women, you know, when I see a strong woman, I don't know.

00:04:51.260 It just couldn't, it hits me, you know, in all the training that we do at three or seven

00:04:54.780 project, I've never had a female student quit. 1.00

00:04:57.860 I've had, I've had hundreds of males quit, never had a female student quit.

00:05:03.880 You know, the reason I became a Navy SEAL, I watched my mother running marathons and triathlons.

00:05:10.880 And she, she was the first person to ever get me out on the trails and show me what it

00:05:16.640 meant to like push past mental barriers.

00:05:18.880 And, and, uh, so I'm really thankful for the opportunity to sit down with a sister, especially

00:05:24.960 a strong sister in Christ.

00:05:27.240 Well, thank you for saying that.

00:05:28.740 Well, I listened to you on Joe Rogan's podcast and I said, I like this guy because you were

00:05:37.160 so persistent in sharing the gospel and so clear.

00:05:41.640 I was just so drawn into the whole conversation.

00:05:43.980 I think it maybe even started out with squirrel hunting, which I don't know very much about,

00:05:48.500 but even that was interesting because I just loved how y'all went back and forth.

00:05:51.880 But then how you interwoven with the gospel was so good.

00:05:55.260 So I want to talk about that before we even get into your testimony of how you became a

00:05:59.100 Christian.

00:05:59.700 What was it like sharing the gospel on such a huge stage?

00:06:05.080 Yeah.

00:06:05.440 Well, I mean, I was definitely scared as a cat going in there.

00:06:09.560 Couldn't tell.

00:06:10.160 Well, you know, I've done a lot of crazy stuff in my life, both through being a SEAL and through

00:06:15.660 ultra endurance sports.

00:06:16.840 But that's just like a different type of challenge that, you know, is hard for me.

00:06:24.220 And, you know, when we're talking on this platform, on that platform, and we know that

00:06:30.320 thousands or millions of people are going to hear the words that we say, there's a weight

00:06:35.440 that should come along with that.

00:06:37.940 There's a responsibility there.

00:06:39.300 And so I was scared going in there, but Joe was very welcoming.

00:06:46.680 He made me feel like I belonged there.

00:06:49.300 Had no idea what I was going to talk to Joe about.

00:06:53.420 I mean, we communicated on Instagram and he says, yeah, come out to the show.

00:06:58.740 I've never met him in my life.

00:07:00.460 I don't really listen to his show.

00:07:03.060 Have no idea what we're going to talk about.

00:07:04.860 So then you're just sitting in this seat and you know that you're going to be there for

00:07:07.580 three hours and, you know, same here.

00:07:09.800 I don't know what you want to talk about today, you know?

00:07:12.140 And so there's always nerves going in those conversations.

00:07:15.740 But, you know, he's the one that led into that conversation around faith and why I believe

00:07:25.180 the way I believe.

00:07:26.540 I didn't have to force that.

00:07:27.920 He led us into that.

00:07:29.780 And then, um, and, and really Holy Spirit really took over.

00:07:34.960 I'm not an intellectual type and, you know, Holy Spirit took over and allowed me to say

00:07:40.740 the things that I said truly.

00:07:42.220 I mean, people think people will watch that episode or anything else I say.

00:07:45.920 And they say, oh man, you did so good, Chad.

00:07:48.540 You, and you can tell people till you're blue in the face.

00:07:51.140 I swear.

00:07:52.240 I didn't have an agenda to say that thing.

00:07:54.940 I didn't have any of that pre-prepared any, any time I ever go and do this.

00:07:59.700 It's like, I submit myself to Holy Spirit in prayer.

00:08:03.140 I've been praying and reading scripture in the green room before I come in here because

00:08:06.520 it's so important for me to get myself out of the way.

00:08:08.940 And I don't think people really believe that they think, oh yeah, Chad, you know, you're

00:08:13.820 being a humble guy.

00:08:14.900 I'm not a humble guy.

00:08:16.860 I am not a humble guy.

00:08:19.260 Like you catch me at a, at an ultra marathon or something. 0.97

00:08:22.720 I'm, I want to crush you.

00:08:25.420 Um, so I'm thankful.

00:08:27.800 Holy Spirit led me through that conversation in the way that it went.

00:08:32.120 I haven't went back and watched it.

00:08:33.960 I don't even remember.

00:08:34.940 No, I can't stand to listen to myself talk.

00:08:37.620 And, um, I, I don't even remember what all I said, but I know there has been quite a bit

00:08:42.060 of pushback against the things that we talked about on that episode, because we have been

00:08:49.800 taught a man centered, uh, gospel or evangelical, the evangelical message in America has been

00:08:58.660 so man centered for so long.

00:09:01.600 And anytime you come in with the true message of scripture, uh, as it pertains to the sovereignty

00:09:09.740 of God, especially over matters pertaining to salvation, man's ability, man's choice.

00:09:17.220 You come in with something like that and half the Christian community comes at you like you're

00:09:24.360 an, like you're a heretic. 0.77

00:09:25.800 Uh, and, and, and so that's been an interesting journey for me on the backside of that.

00:09:33.060 Um, because it's, it is so important for us to understand that to understand that the order

00:09:42.600 of salvation, that those whom the father foreknew, he predestined and those whom he predestined,

00:09:51.760 he called and those whom he called, he justified and those whom he justified, he glorified, not

00:09:59.920 he might glorify, not those he calls, he might justify depending on what decision they make.

00:10:09.080 No, it, it will be done according to his will.

00:10:12.980 And I can show you scriptures over and over and over again in, in the Holy Bible and every

00:10:20.820 scripture that we look at that speaks to specifically to man's ability, what he can or cannot do.

00:10:27.940 It is always in the negative sense.

00:10:31.340 Always.

00:10:32.340 We have forgotten the state that we are in, the fallen state that we are in, in the severity

00:10:38.700 of our condition.

00:10:39.980 We have lost that perspective on ourselves.

00:10:42.980 And, you know, I want people to see this.

00:10:53.840 Why do I want people to see this?

00:10:55.540 Because half the church is walking around out here and they are not sure whether they're

00:11:00.000 saved or not.

00:11:01.320 Yeah.

00:11:01.680 Well, guess what?

00:11:02.780 If you think your salvation is based off of a choice that you made one day to invite

00:11:09.160 Jesus into your heart, well, you better be, you better be wondering whether you're saved

00:11:15.060 or not or whether you're going to stay saved or not, because you know what people do?

00:11:19.040 They change their minds.

00:11:20.900 And a Christian, a man or woman who has been pronounced justified by a sovereign God, the

00:11:31.820 king of kings, you know, one of the names for the father in the scriptures is the sovereign

00:11:37.920 one, one who's been pronounced justified by him ought to walk through this life in confidence

00:11:45.600 and in assurance of their salvation.

00:11:47.840 But we, so many of us walk through this life thinking that it was all hinged upon a choice

00:11:53.500 that we made and we're hoping we don't change our minds one day.

00:11:57.120 And you know what that renders the Christian?

00:11:58.820 It renders them ineffective for the entire duration of their life.

00:12:03.580 People say, why is this important?

00:12:05.020 Why is God's sovereignty important?

00:12:06.520 Well, one, it's in the scripture.

00:12:08.540 Well, two, it is the very thing that is going to allow you to experience rest in the assurance

00:12:17.380 of your salvation, that the work has been done by God in you.

00:12:22.540 You experience rest.

00:12:23.980 You experience confidence.

00:12:25.840 You don't know.

00:12:26.400 You no longer have to be an intellectual.

00:12:28.640 I don't have to come on here and share the gospel in any specific way that I think is going

00:12:33.020 to convince your audience to believe that.

00:12:35.880 I'm going to share the gospel.

00:12:37.860 You know, I'm going to share it.

00:12:39.960 But what I have to say to the unbeliever is very short. 1.00

00:12:44.780 It's repent.

00:12:46.740 It's repent and believe in the gospel.

00:12:51.400 That's all I have to say to unbelievers. 1.00

00:12:54.060 Yeah.

00:12:54.360 I can explain to you what the gospel is.

00:12:56.960 Like I can expound on that and we should expound on that.

00:12:59.860 Repent.

00:13:01.140 Believe.

00:13:02.320 That's all I have.

00:13:03.540 End of conversation.

00:13:04.640 So, you know, people who say, well, you know, you didn't really preach the gospel to the

00:13:09.560 world because you look, you think Joe Rogan hadn't heard the gospel a thousand times.

00:13:14.800 He knows what the gospel is.

00:13:16.860 Repent.

00:13:17.740 Believe.

00:13:19.260 Well, that would have been a real short podcast.

00:13:21.560 Yeah.

00:13:21.820 So let's talk about why you just can't seem to figure it out.

00:13:25.580 Yeah.

00:13:25.920 Let's just talk about why you can't seem to get it.

00:13:28.600 Yeah.

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00:13:30.720 Yeah.

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00:15:39.300 Let's break this down a little bit because I'm in the same camp as you.

00:15:42.900 And you're right.

00:15:43.480 When you talk about Calvinism or, you know, predestination or God's sovereignty or an emphasis

00:15:49.440 on God's sovereignty, you get a lot of people who get very angry and they'll say that's heresy.

00:15:54.500 And I've got people in my audience who will certainly say that.

00:15:57.800 And I've been, you know, talking about that position for a long time too, makes people

00:16:02.320 angry.

00:16:03.600 But the truth of the matter is, is that if God is all-powerful and if God is all-knowing

00:16:09.820 and he's not suspended by linear time the way that we are, then how would it be possible

00:16:16.500 for him to not also be in charge of our salvation?

00:16:19.780 It doesn't, the non-sovereignty position that God is in control of everything except for

00:16:27.040 this one thing, like except for your salvation, that that thing is what depends on you and

00:16:33.820 that depends on your will and something mustering up in your heart to accept him, that position

00:16:40.680 doesn't make sense to me.

00:16:42.980 And yet, as you said, people get very frustrated by the fact that, you know, Ephesians 2 says

00:16:49.760 that we're dead and are sin apart from Christ.

00:16:51.780 Well, what can a dead person do for themselves?

00:16:53.880 Can they clean themselves up?

00:16:55.180 Can they ask to be saved?

00:16:57.180 Can they rescue themselves?

00:16:58.320 Can they ask for a lifeline?

00:16:59.440 They can't.

00:17:00.460 But God, being rich in mercy because of the great love with which he loved us, made us alive

00:17:03.980 together with Christ.

00:17:04.780 By grace you have been saved through faith.

00:17:06.320 And that faith not of your own, but a gift so that no man should boast.

00:17:10.560 So, like, why do you think, though?

00:17:12.740 Because to me, I'm like, well, it's just there.

00:17:15.000 I understand why it's hard to unpack, maybe, but it's just there.

00:17:19.000 Why do you think people, even who are Christians, get so frustrated by that?

00:17:22.820 I think there's two main reasons.

00:17:24.520 I think because the first reason, it is the final nail in the coffin of your pride.

00:17:31.260 I mean, it leaves you with nothing.

00:17:33.440 It leaves you with nothing to cling to other than the sovereign grace of God.

00:17:40.560 And people don't like that.

00:17:43.280 And I think the second reason is, is intellectually, when we present the sovereignty of God, especially

00:17:50.260 as it pertains to salvation, when we present that on the surface level, as we are doing

00:17:54.960 right now, because we would have to do a 20-part series to view all the scriptures that pertain

00:18:01.640 to this, when you present it on the surface level, it poses all of these problems in people's

00:18:07.780 mind from an intellectual standpoint, in terms of, well, then God is the author of evil.

00:18:14.560 Well, then humans are robots.

00:18:16.780 And it's like, it's because you are stopping your search for the answer to this doctrine

00:18:27.940 at a surface level.

00:18:29.920 You're saying, well, Chad and Allie are saying that this and that, well, it causes all these

00:18:34.020 problems.

00:18:34.480 Yeah.

00:18:34.920 Search those problems out.

00:18:36.740 You'll find the answers to it.

00:18:38.240 Humans are indeed not robots.

00:18:39.740 The scriptures tell us that humans have will, but it is a limited will.

00:18:49.620 We see evidence of human freedom in the very beginning of the Bible.

00:18:56.000 You may eat from anything in this garden.

00:18:59.720 That's freedom of will, right?

00:19:01.940 Except for that one tree.

00:19:04.580 That is limited will.

00:19:07.840 Humans aren't robots.

00:19:08.580 Scripture doesn't tell us humans are robots.

00:19:11.320 Bad people are making bad decisions every day, and they do indeed mean those decisions

00:19:18.700 for evil.

00:19:20.180 They have a will.

00:19:21.980 The problem is your will is in bondage to sin.

00:19:26.800 The problem is you won't make the right decision because of exactly what you just said.

00:19:33.360 You're dead spiritually.

00:19:36.180 But nobody preaches this.

00:19:38.240 Nobody teaches this.

00:19:41.460 I mean, when Martin Luther, during the Reformation, starts to bring all these scriptures to light,

00:19:48.660 all the popes and the Catholic people and all that, they even come to Martin Luther and

00:19:54.240 they say, well, you know, we see where you're coming from, but we can't preach this.

00:20:01.520 Like, we can't teach this, right?

00:20:04.640 We just, we've got to just, it's there, but we just can't talk about it.

00:20:10.080 No.

00:20:10.640 Like, this is, this to me, for me, has been the most glorious doctrine of the scripture

00:20:20.200 apart from the crucifixion of the Lord of glory, God in flesh, Jesus Christ, and what

00:20:27.700 what that meant, right?

00:20:30.920 This doctrine has been the most glorious doctrine for me in terms of it has just set me free.

00:20:36.580 It has, it has made me realize the greatness and the majesty and the power of this almighty

00:20:46.300 God.

00:20:46.780 And it has also made me appreciate his grace at a whole nother level.

00:20:53.120 We throw this word grace around.

00:20:55.680 Well, if, what, how do you appreciate grace?

00:21:00.080 If you think your decision is why you are saved, that's not grace.

00:21:06.840 That's a me moment.

00:21:08.200 You know, when we, when we go to prayer, when we go to the Lord in prayer and we say, Lord,

00:21:14.460 I want to take a minute to thank you for my salvation.

00:21:18.600 But before I, before I go any further, I want to have a me moment.

00:21:23.260 Yeah, that was a really good choice I made.

00:21:26.140 Yeah.

00:21:26.880 All right.

00:21:27.300 Now, Lord, thank you for your son that died on the cross.

00:21:30.360 So what do you say when people say, okay, well, we've got whoever calls upon the name of

00:21:35.280 the Lord will be saved.

00:21:36.280 We've got John 3, 16, which says, whoever believes in him will not perish, but have eternal

00:21:41.360 life and play just a devil's advocate.

00:21:45.020 There will be people who say, okay, well, obviously it is dependent upon our choice, our choice

00:21:50.900 to believe.

00:21:51.760 And that is, I'm not sure exactly how they explain the grace aspect of it, but from our

00:21:57.900 Arminian friends, those who say, well, no, that initial step towards God is what is required

00:22:05.240 of us.

00:22:05.960 And then that's when he comes in to rescue us.

00:22:09.000 I mean, it's basically the easiest question you could possibly ask me.

00:22:13.120 You know, what, what people who are looking at those verses, John 3, 16 being probably

00:22:18.800 the main one that people bring up.

00:22:20.800 Um, the reason that's so confusing to you is because of, of, uh, you've been taught the

00:22:28.440 wrong meaning of the verse.

00:22:29.640 I mean, just flat out.

00:22:32.180 Um, let me ask you any of those verses that you just quoted or any other verses that, that

00:22:38.520 anybody can come up with in scripture that, that they think would militate against this

00:22:44.460 doctrine of election that we're speaking of.

00:22:47.120 I want you to show me a verse that affirms the ability of man in his natural state.

00:22:56.020 Show me a verse that speaks specifically to his ability and affirms his ability in the

00:23:01.800 positive sense.

00:23:02.640 You won't find one, you won't find one, every verse that you're going to find that speaks

00:23:09.620 specifically to what man can and cannot do is always cannot every single time.

00:23:15.440 And we look at words like whomsoever.

00:23:19.000 Look, when we read scripture, what we are doing when we interpret the scriptures is we

00:23:25.500 have to ascertain the meaning of words.

00:23:29.260 That's what we're doing.

00:23:30.020 I've come to the conclusion, the only way to preach is expository preaching.

00:23:37.440 Pastors like to preach and speak on their experience.

00:23:42.480 I don't care what your experience is.

00:23:44.800 That's why I don't care about talking about my story on here.

00:23:47.320 My story is insignificant.

00:23:49.700 You don't preach from your experience.

00:23:52.200 I don't care what you believe.

00:23:54.740 I don't care what you feel.

00:23:56.680 I don't care about an emotion that you might be having as it pertains to something that

00:24:03.040 is part of your testimony.

00:24:05.020 I don't care about any of that.

00:24:06.960 And so when we look at these scriptures, when we see the word whomsoever, okay, whomsoever

00:24:14.260 will believe.

00:24:16.520 Well, what does that mean?

00:24:18.300 Well, that doesn't militate against what we're saying here.

00:24:20.600 That just means that whomsoever, black, white, Jew, Greek, poor, rich, it doesn't matter. 0.66

00:24:29.420 There's no one who cannot be saved by the blood that was shed by the God-man, Jesus Christ,

00:24:37.720 on the cross of Calvary.

00:24:39.300 There's no one that cannot be saved by that.

00:24:43.040 Any human on earth, regardless of your social standing, your race, creed, or color, you can

00:24:49.320 indeed.

00:24:50.320 The blood will and can save you if you are one of the Almighty's elect.

00:24:59.540 That's all those verses mean.

00:25:00.980 We see verses all the time that are exhorting us to do something that we know we can't do.

00:25:12.000 Well, what's wrong with that?

00:25:13.360 How does that militate against what we're saying here?

00:25:16.820 Verses that exhort us to do what we ought to do have no bearing on our perspective of fallen

00:25:25.800 man's ability to incline himself toward righteousness.

00:25:31.540 It's so easy.

00:25:32.560 It's like, it's, yeah.

00:25:35.520 I don't know.

00:25:36.200 You get me fired up, Allie.

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00:26:42.220 Okay, I know that you just said that, you know, your story doesn't matter, but people

00:26:52.900 really are moved by testimonies.

00:26:55.740 And I love hearing people's testimonies.

00:26:57.680 So can you indulge us for a little bit on how you became a Christian?

00:27:01.740 And I'm guessing you probably weren't steeped in, you know, election theology right away.

00:27:09.400 So I'm just curious about your journey of faith.

00:27:12.740 Yeah.

00:27:13.920 So I grew up obviously in the South, so I'd heard the gospel many, many times.

00:27:18.140 I had been to church.

00:27:19.940 Yeah, if we can even use that language.

00:27:22.120 There's so much screwed up with our language.

00:27:23.860 I had been to a church meeting many, many times and heard the gospel, been around Christian

00:27:28.080 people.

00:27:28.940 Didn't ever mean much to me.

00:27:30.260 I would say, at best, I was agnostic for most of my adult life.

00:27:35.700 I became a Navy SEAL.

00:27:37.380 I figured, well, I'm doing good stuff. 0.99

00:27:40.160 I'm, you know, training to go kill bad people. 0.89

00:27:44.120 So if I do die, well, surely whatever being created all this will send me to a good place. 0.92

00:27:53.120 You know, it's the same story when we look back.

00:27:57.440 We all have the same, at least if we live some life prior to receiving the gift of salvation.

00:28:03.120 You don't see your sin.

00:28:05.500 Like, you think that you're generally a good person.

00:28:09.240 You think that most humans are generally good, minus a few crazy ones, and whatever's in them

00:28:15.140 isn't in you.

00:28:15.920 Well, that's the way I thought, too.

00:28:18.880 I'm generally good, so I'm good.

00:28:22.040 It's one of the things that happens when you receive Holy Spirit and you are made spiritually

00:28:27.320 alive along this process of sanctification is an increasing awareness of your sin to the

00:28:32.240 point that the Apostle Paul literally referenced himself as the chief of sinners, as a wretched

00:28:39.380 man, okay?

00:28:41.220 That doesn't happen naturally, all right?

00:28:46.160 Well, I'm just going along in life.

00:28:49.340 You know, I'm indulging in some pretty significant wickedness, sexual sin.

00:28:55.740 Obviously, my language was terrible.

00:28:58.620 I didn't really love anyone, I mean, to be honest with you.

00:29:01.720 I mean, really, we talk about love.

00:29:06.060 People say, well, you didn't love your mother or your father or, you know, your wife or all

00:29:11.820 this stuff.

00:29:12.400 Look, man, you don't know what love is until you've received the gift of salvation, because

00:29:16.680 love comes from the Father.

00:29:19.300 And when the Father is not in you, you're just essentially loving for selfish reasons.

00:29:25.560 Even the good things that I did do prior to salvation, those good things were not motivated

00:29:33.800 out of a love for God and a desire to please Him.

00:29:39.400 Therefore, none of the good things that I even did when I was living that life were accounted

00:29:43.540 to me, or accounted as righteousness.

00:29:48.020 But I was pretty deep.

00:29:49.640 I was pretty deep.

00:29:50.560 A real bad person. 1.00

00:29:51.540 I mean, I would have killed you. 0.98

00:29:52.880 I didn't care, you know, I mean, I wasn't a murderer, but like, you know, that's kind 0.98

00:29:59.900 of my job was violence.

00:30:03.300 And I went on a deployment up to North Africa to do some work up there during the Arab Spring

00:30:10.080 when the, you know, the terrorists or whatever were sacking all the embassies up there.

00:30:16.440 And we came back down, left there and came back down into Germany to just re-jock our gear.

00:30:22.620 And then we were headed out to Nigeria, which, by the way, if you're listening to this, please

00:30:26.100 pray for our brothers and sisters in Nigeria who are suffering legitimate persecution, not 0.98

00:30:33.660 the persecution you're used to around here where somebody says, oh, you're a fool or a 0.99

00:30:38.240 dummy if you believe in Jesus. 1.00

00:30:39.660 No, they're being killed. 1.00

00:30:41.240 Pray for them. 0.96

00:30:41.860 I was in Nigeria.

00:30:44.280 Well, before I went to Nigeria, I was in Germany and I was staying in a barracks that somehow,

00:30:49.440 some way, still don't understand it, don't even think about it very often, had some sort

00:30:54.440 of demon or evil spirit in it.

00:30:56.640 And that thing, after about a week, had me so afraid that I couldn't even lay down and

00:31:04.040 sleep at night.

00:31:05.020 What was it?

00:31:05.860 How did you know?

00:31:08.000 I mean, the first thing that happened is I was laying in my bed and something hit my

00:31:14.180 door and jolted me out of sleep.

00:31:17.080 And then I'm laying there in my sleep and I could hear echoing voices up and down the

00:31:21.020 hallway, but I couldn't make out any words.

00:31:23.020 It was just like sound, kind of an eerie sound echoing up and down the hallway.

00:31:26.720 And there was, I was immediately fearful, which is strange being the type of man that

00:31:32.680 I am, wouldn't usually experience fear as an emotion related to an occurrence like that.

00:31:40.440 But I felt this fear and I believe that fear was because this entity, whatever it is, was

00:31:48.940 causing that fear in me and in the guys that I was with.

00:31:52.640 So I got up, checked my buddy.

00:31:55.400 He was asleep.

00:31:56.820 There were two guys in the room right across.

00:31:58.600 They were asleep.

00:31:59.780 Nobody else is in the building.

00:32:01.060 Nothing's going on.

00:32:02.220 It freaked me out.

00:32:03.540 Like it really freaked me out.

00:32:05.440 And progressively, this thing manifests itself in different ways.

00:32:10.580 But the, the, the, really the most powerful manifestation of this thing in that place was this sense

00:32:19.620 of fear that was in this place to the point that I didn't even want to walk in there, but

00:32:28.780 it was where I was living.

00:32:30.920 So I ended up calling my brother who I knew was a Christian.

00:32:35.140 He had his pastor call me.

00:32:37.020 I told the pastor what was going on.

00:32:40.180 The dude's like, Oh yeah, no big deal.

00:32:42.660 I'm like, you don't understand.

00:32:44.380 This is a big deal.

00:32:45.880 Like, I don't know what this is.

00:32:47.260 And I don't know.

00:32:47.620 We don't know how to combat it.

00:32:49.320 He says, put me on speakerphone, walk around the hallways.

00:32:54.040 And he's praying in the name of Jesus over speakerphone from thousands of miles away.

00:32:59.000 While I walk up and down these hallways, he tells me to take a little dab of olive oil,

00:33:03.680 anoint the door of the room that I'm staying in.

00:33:07.500 And to make a long story short, whatever that thing was left by the authority through

00:33:15.500 this man, this believer's prayer, wielding the name, this name, Jesus Christ, whatever

00:33:23.080 this thing was, obeyed and left and just peace returned to this place and no more strange

00:33:30.160 bumps in the nights, no more fear.

00:33:32.800 I could rest again and sleep again.

00:33:35.740 And so I got my hands on a Bible and I began reading the scriptures because why would you

00:33:42.920 not?

00:33:43.340 I've seen evidence that there is some power being wielded here and the Holy Spirit, by

00:33:50.380 the grace of God, open my eyes to the truth of the gospel.

00:33:54.700 And that is all encompassing, the realization of my own sin.

00:34:00.880 Who is Jesus?

00:34:03.820 Why did Jesus go to the cross?

00:34:06.220 What does that mean to me?

00:34:10.180 Why was he resurrected?

00:34:11.600 What does that mean to me?

00:34:13.140 What purpose is this Jesus and does he have in my life, you know?

00:34:19.060 And that was just all revealed to me.

00:34:21.340 And it's like, once my eyes were opened, I changed in a lot of ways overnight.

00:34:32.020 It's in terms of my language and the way I viewed other people and the husband that I was

00:34:38.260 going to be when I got back home off of that deployment and the things that I watched and

00:34:42.140 it all just changed.

00:34:45.440 I mean, that's the miracle, right?

00:34:47.140 Like, that's the miracle.

00:34:49.720 That something happens in you that can completely change your desires.

00:35:02.280 That's the thing that man can't do.

00:35:05.660 Like, you cannot change your desires, nor can you force yourself to believe in something

00:35:13.160 that you can't see, touch, feel.

00:35:17.400 You can't force yourself one day to believe in this crazy, insane message of the gospel.

00:35:24.240 Like, uh, but I was given this gift of faith that changed me and I've been following Christ

00:35:30.520 ever since.

00:35:31.240 And it's been a long process of, of sanctification being made more Christ-like that's ongoing

00:35:37.520 and intense to this very day.

00:35:41.280 Yeah.

00:35:42.320 Intense.

00:35:42.920 That includes how we spend our money, how we invest our money.

00:36:02.980 We want to make sure that we are stewarding the treasure that God has graciously given

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00:36:42.500 What you said right there is really important.

00:36:49.740 It's a really important key to people who might be new to this kind of theological discussion,

00:36:54.800 or maybe they're new Christians or seeking.

00:36:57.140 When you said the gift of faith that was given to you, we know that without faith, it's

00:37:01.800 impossible to please God.

00:37:03.080 We know that faith is a requirement of salvation.

00:37:05.880 But your point is, and of course I agree with this, is that even that faith that is required 0.98

00:37:11.880 for salvation is not ours.

00:37:13.600 We didn't come up with it.

00:37:14.880 We didn't muster it.

00:37:16.100 That faith was a gift given to us by grace.

00:37:20.180 That faith that is required for salvation, even that is not credited to us.

00:37:25.440 That's credited to God's total grace in deciding to save us and make us alive, right?

00:37:31.200 And that's not just Allie's opinion.

00:37:34.580 That's not just what Allie thinks.

00:37:37.000 That is actually what the scripture says.

00:37:39.860 Yes, that is what the scripture says about this faith that we have.

00:37:43.900 I've been thinking a lot about, too, you know, the verse I quoted a little earlier on Romans

00:37:50.680 chapter 8, that calling is another thing that confuses people.

00:37:55.220 Well, aren't all men called?

00:37:56.540 Well, yeah.

00:37:57.100 I mean, the gospel should go out to all the world.

00:37:59.380 Many people hear the message of the gospel, and they hear that general calling.

00:38:04.160 But there is this calling that comes to those of us who do indeed receive this unbelievable

00:38:16.080 grace and gift of faith.

00:38:18.300 There is this calling that awakens you, and there's a question that you ask.

00:38:26.460 You ask, who are you, Lord?

00:38:29.860 That's the question.

00:38:31.840 That's where it all begins.

00:38:34.160 That's where it all began for me when I got my hands on the Bible and saw the truth of

00:38:41.580 the gospel.

00:38:42.320 Well, then the journey begins when I said, who are you, Lord?

00:38:47.120 Where did I get this from?

00:38:48.100 I didn't get this from my own experience.

00:38:50.420 I look and I see how close my experience was to an experience that was captured by scripture.

00:38:58.480 Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting me?

00:39:04.160 How does he respond?

00:39:07.500 Who are you, Lord?

00:39:11.120 It begins.

00:39:13.380 That's regeneration.

00:39:16.260 You know?

00:39:16.960 And it's not like Saul woke up one day and was like, you know what, I'm kind of feeling

00:39:23.260 convicted about murdering these Christians.

00:39:26.240 He felt fine.

00:39:27.660 As far as we know, he felt totally great about it.

00:39:30.420 We read that he approved of the martyrdom of Stephen.

00:39:33.640 He looked on and he liked it.

00:39:35.240 He thought that that murder was good.

00:39:36.840 It literally took Jesus interrupting his life, making him blind in order for him to be able

00:39:43.920 to truly see.

00:39:45.420 And that's what you're saying is that that's not just his testimony.

00:39:48.680 That's all of our testimonies.

00:39:50.300 Yes.

00:39:50.640 And a lot of people will hear that and even Christians and they'll say, well, I don't

00:39:54.780 remember that call.

00:39:56.360 Well, that call could happen when you're four years old.

00:39:59.100 That call could happen when you're six years old.

00:40:02.060 You don't that that call we see in Scripture, that calling can happen in the mother's womb

00:40:09.140 when we see John the Baptist leap for joy in his mother's womb.

00:40:16.340 So if you don't remember that.

00:40:19.840 That doesn't militate against what we're saying here.

00:40:23.060 Yeah.

00:40:23.800 What do you say to people who say, well, that actually causes me anxiety because you'll

00:40:29.080 if people say, well, what if I'm not chosen or what if my kids aren't chosen?

00:40:33.560 Should I even pray?

00:40:34.640 Should I even evangelize?

00:40:35.820 Should I even care about this?

00:40:37.160 If God is just going to choose, then some people will say that that really makes them

00:40:42.360 fearful.

00:40:43.340 Yeah.

00:40:44.040 Well, now we're getting into the kind of the meat and getting kind of going down from

00:40:49.140 the surface level of this conversation.

00:40:51.080 We want to talk about questions like that.

00:40:55.620 I mean, on the kid thing.

00:40:59.080 I mean, if and when the Almighty blesses me with a child, am I going to feel some anxiety

00:41:06.400 until that child does receive this gift of faith?

00:41:11.020 I mean, I'm going to pray.

00:41:12.520 I'm going to beg the Father with all my might on behalf of this person.

00:41:18.300 Not that I think I can sway his will, but I'm going to.

00:41:21.520 I'm going to.

00:41:21.940 But a prayer of a righteous person has great power as it is working.

00:41:25.440 I mean, if he gives me one, like until, I mean, that moment that your child does indeed

00:41:31.280 repent and believe in the gospel of Jesus Christ, I mean, I cannot imagine the weight

00:41:39.240 that is lifted off of a parent in that moment.

00:41:42.360 I mean, I haven't experienced that, but I have to imagine that is a weight that you carry

00:41:47.880 as a parent for your children.

00:41:53.400 That's okay.

00:41:56.300 In my mind, like that's okay in my mind.

00:42:00.080 Like my kid isn't special.

00:42:02.380 Like my kid's born with a, with a, with a fallen nature, just like I was born.

00:42:09.000 Of course, I'm, I have to trust in the Almighty that he is going to call this child for, for

00:42:17.000 his own purposes and according to his own will and grace, you know?

00:42:20.700 In terms of evangelizing, preaching the gospel, sending that general call out, again, it's

00:42:32.700 amazing to me how many people are confused about this.

00:42:35.240 When we read the scripture, we see that according to the Almighty sovereign will, he has chosen

00:42:43.020 to use his elect in order to carry out his plans and his will here in this natural world.

00:42:52.880 Like what a gift it is because every one of you that are thinking, well, why do I even

00:42:57.420 pray?

00:42:57.820 Why do I even tell the gospel?

00:42:59.880 Well, I get why you're thinking that.

00:43:02.560 I get why you're thinking that.

00:43:04.960 Well, what a gift it is that he's chosen to use us to do something for him that he doesn't

00:43:12.700 need us for.

00:43:14.260 Like, yeah, partake in that.

00:43:17.040 Yeah, we're commanded to do that.

00:43:20.320 We're command, and that's why we do it because we're exhorted and commanded to do it.

00:43:25.060 And we see that is the way that the father brings about his will is through his people,

00:43:32.220 not because he has to, but because that is a blessing upon us that we've been made useful

00:43:39.620 for something.

00:43:40.420 I mean, why would you not partake in that?

00:43:43.820 You've been made useful.

00:43:45.620 Go do it.

00:43:47.140 I've been thinking a lot about evangelism as a whole and our American perspective on what

00:43:55.800 that is.

00:43:56.700 And I think when we look at it in scripture, it's the scattering of the seed, right?

00:44:02.300 And sometimes it falls here and sometimes it falls there, you know, and only God makes

00:44:06.580 the seed grow.

00:44:07.460 Oh, well, that again confirms what we've been talking about the whole time.

00:44:11.820 But I think also in terms of evangelism, I think our American view of evangelism has become

00:44:18.800 so rooted in simply making converts.

00:44:26.160 I wonder about that.

00:44:30.620 I think we, I'm telling, we in this country have so much, we are clueless about so many

00:44:38.860 things.

00:44:39.180 We are doing so many things wrong.

00:44:40.900 We're so concerned with making converts.

00:44:44.340 What is the great commission we've been given?

00:44:47.180 Make disciples.

00:44:47.880 Make disciples.

00:44:49.940 Teaching them all the things that I've taught you.

00:44:54.780 So, okay, that means everything in scripture.

00:45:00.060 Why does that mean everything in scripture and not just your red letters?

00:45:03.520 I've never understood why anybody puts red letters in a Bible as if those words are of

00:45:09.800 more importance and maybe those words are the only words that we are called to teach

00:45:15.020 other people.

00:45:15.820 If we believe that the scripture, no, if the scripture says that it is God breathed, then

00:45:25.640 that means everything in that scripture is the word of God the Father, God the Son, and

00:45:34.320 God the Holy Spirit.

00:45:35.380 It is the word, every jot and tittle of it.

00:45:38.480 But, you know, we want to go out and hand somebody a track or tell them something and, you know,

00:45:45.400 they say a prayer of faith, of accepting Christ, which you won't find that prayer anywhere in the

00:45:52.460 Bible.

00:45:52.920 They say that prayer and then we, you know, we tally those up in our congregations, right?

00:45:58.240 That's all pastors want to talk about.

00:45:59.920 Oh, we had 300 people saved over here last year, you know, or these men's groups that

00:46:05.200 pop up everywhere.

00:46:06.200 Oh, we had 20 men saved and they never talked to them again.

00:46:10.200 Like, what is this type of evangelism that we call, that we, well, we're not just called

00:46:17.140 to make converts and then go along and count them up as numbers so that we can, you know,

00:46:22.680 talk about how good of a job we're doing.

00:46:24.560 No, we are called to make disciples.

00:46:26.540 We're called to be teachers, teaching them all the things that we've been given from

00:46:31.760 the word of God, calling people to repentance and baptism in the name of the Father, the

00:46:38.800 Son, and the Holy Spirit.

00:46:40.540 I don't know.

00:46:41.320 That's just been on my mind lately.

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00:47:41.140 You know, I think it's such an important conversation to have as people are talking

00:47:49.500 about revival.

00:47:50.840 Obviously, we do want people to convert to Christianity from whatever belief system they

00:47:55.840 had.

00:47:56.200 But I am so—I feel so much angst over the people who are curious about church and curious

00:48:05.540 about Christianity because I just want to make sure that those of us who are in the

00:48:09.320 church are going to disciple those people, that we're going to take them under our wing

00:48:13.240 and that we're not just saying, wow, my pews are full.

00:48:15.800 I'm so happy about that.

00:48:17.040 But to that young girl who doesn't know about Christianity, it's my responsibility to meet 0.99

00:48:23.860 her face-to-face and to disciple her.

00:48:27.000 And I think that's a really important component of revival.

00:48:30.040 Whether or not we're in one, I think, is yet to be seen.

00:48:32.060 It depends upon the fruit of it.

00:48:33.880 But if we want true change and if we want true additions to the body of Christ, I do think

00:48:40.500 that discipleship component is really, really important.

00:48:44.300 And we're pretty—and we as the American church are pretty much too lazy to do that

00:48:50.420 for the most part.

00:48:51.780 And too busy.

00:48:52.660 Like, we think we're too busy.

00:48:53.760 We're too busy.

00:48:54.640 That's right.

00:48:55.000 We're too lazy in a spiritual sense to do that.

00:48:58.220 Yeah.

00:48:58.540 I mean, yeah, that's a revival, man.

00:49:03.120 And by the way—

00:49:03.720 Yeah, what do you think?

00:49:04.260 Revival, if there is true revival, it's wrought by God.

00:49:08.360 And I think, like you said, how do we assess it?

00:49:11.300 Well, we assess it by the fruits.

00:49:12.580 But I think another component of revival—actually, a very key component is repentance.

00:49:20.740 Like, revival will come through repentance.

00:49:24.200 And what is repentance? 0.99

00:49:25.840 It is turning away from all the crap that you're allowing to exist in your life. 0.97

00:49:34.200 Now, I'm partly speaking to the body of Christ right now. 0.98

00:49:38.700 I mean, I'm exhorting unbelievers to do this, but I'm also speaking to the body of Christ.

00:49:44.300 Literally hating the sin that exists inwardly and outwardly, turning away from it, and not then trying to be a better person.

00:49:58.560 But turning away from it, and turning to the resurrected Christ, our Lord and Savior Jesus, the Lamb without spot.

00:50:11.000 Turning to Him, wanting Him more than anything else.

00:50:17.220 Like, that's revival, right?

00:50:23.440 I mean, imagine if we had hundreds of thousands or millions of people here in this country who had awareness of their sin

00:50:36.860 and began to hate it, hate it so much that their every desire was to mortify their flesh, crucify their flesh, 0.61

00:50:48.940 and to take up their cross daily and follow this King, Jesus Christ.

00:50:59.760 Well, you want to talk about revival?

00:51:03.960 Stuff changes overnight, you know?

00:51:07.500 But I don't know.

00:51:09.720 I don't know.

00:51:10.980 I'm a bit of a pessimist.

00:51:14.520 I've abandoned politics.

00:51:16.800 You know what?

00:51:18.740 We've agreed on a lot of stuff, and I actually came...

00:51:20.500 Yeah, let's disagree to close this out.

00:51:23.400 I actually came into this podcast, and I thought, I hope I do not make her mad.

00:51:27.760 Or I hope I do not have a big disagreement.

00:51:31.060 I don't think of all the thousands of guests that I've had, I don't know.

00:51:34.760 I can only think of a couple who have made me mad.

00:51:37.740 You're tough.

00:51:38.680 You are tough, and you're smart.

00:51:40.740 Well, thanks.

00:51:41.260 But yeah, I'd love to...

00:51:42.140 I'm not that tough, and I'm not that smart either.

00:51:43.500 I would love to disagree on this.

00:51:44.760 Tell me why you've abandoned politics.

00:51:48.740 I think this could be a long discussion.

00:51:54.320 I think we should start with looking at the life of Christ in Scripture, and His involvement

00:52:06.180 and the secular political structure during His life.

00:52:12.980 It's a hard conversation.

00:52:26.500 I just...

00:52:27.980 For me...

00:52:30.740 I'll tell you, during COVID and stuff, I mean, I was all in.

00:52:35.440 I mean, politics-wise.

00:52:37.580 Like, I have a platform.

00:52:38.980 Like, I was genuinely considering campaigning for governor of my state.

00:52:47.620 I mean, I was all in.

00:52:50.860 Yeah.

00:52:51.120 And I just realized how much it was distracting me, and maybe I'm not mature enough to handle

00:53:09.200 it, from my passion and love for my Father in Heaven.

00:53:17.680 Like, maybe I'm not mature enough to handle it.

00:53:20.180 I'm admitting that, right?

00:53:25.780 I just don't know.

00:53:28.040 I just don't see...

00:53:32.680 The way that our Lord achieved, brought about victory was totally outside the realm of our

00:53:45.680 human mind.

00:53:48.320 And I've found that's the way He generally works, that if we...

00:53:55.800 Whatever we think, however we think we can achieve victory, be it through politics or be

00:54:04.780 it through some other avenue, however we think we can do it, generally the Almighty says,

00:54:13.480 nah, it really ain't gonna happen that way.

00:54:16.640 It's gonna happen exactly the opposite of the way that you thought it was gonna happen.

00:54:20.780 But I couldn't wield it, Allie.

00:54:22.460 It was so distracting me.

00:54:24.360 It was so filling my heart with sometimes rage.

00:54:31.560 Yeah.

00:54:35.120 It's probably not the best answer.

00:54:37.120 But I have.

00:54:37.900 I have had to step away from it.

00:54:39.600 Okay.

00:54:39.980 You wanna know what I think?

00:54:41.200 I really do.

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00:55:51.100 Here's how I see things.

00:55:52.380 So we've been saying this alliteration on my show since probably 2019, maybe 18.

00:55:58.920 Politics matter because policy matters because people matter.

00:56:02.420 Politics affects policy.

00:56:04.060 Policy affects people.

00:56:05.200 And people matter because they're made in the image of God.

00:56:07.780 So they matter to God and they matter to us.

00:56:10.800 And politics is not the primary or the only way to love your neighbor, but it's a way to love your neighbor.

00:56:16.160 When the policy that is put in place by the people in power means that my unborn neighbor can be legally butchered.

00:56:24.120 Or my neighbor who says that he's confused about his gender means he's chemically castrated. 0.88

00:56:30.260 When it means that my neighbor, who is a young girl who was on a run, but then she got brutally murdered and raped by someone who shouldn't have been here in the first place because he was an illegal alien. 0.86

00:56:41.000 I say, oh, I have something to say about that.

00:56:45.320 And there's always going to be someone in power.

00:56:48.500 There's always going to be someone who is affecting policy.

00:56:51.300 Nothing is neutral.

00:56:52.500 No law is neutral.

00:56:54.060 Every policy goes back to a worldview.

00:56:55.980 And if Jesus is king, if God is the creator and authority over all of it, and his ways are better, don't I want his ways to infuse policy in a way that affects my neighbor in a good, beneficial way?

00:57:12.620 And Romans 13 reminds us that the government was instituted by God to restrain evil, to punish wrong, and to reward good.

00:57:22.100 Well, what happens when we have a government who defines good and evil the exact opposite of how God does?

00:57:28.080 They punish those who do good, and they reward those who do evil.

00:57:32.120 And no political party is perfect, but one political party gets it right more often than the other one does.

00:57:38.460 And there will be no perfect person on the ballot ever.

00:57:42.140 Since the very beginning, there have always been imperfect people on the ballot.

00:57:45.640 And so that's how I see things.

00:57:49.380 I see if Christians all did what you did, we would be in a really, really bad spot. 1.00

00:57:56.240 But would that be potentially good?

00:57:59.140 I don't think it's good for the child who is legally murdered.

00:58:02.620 I don't think it's good for the 12-year-old who gets a double mastectomy.

00:58:06.400 I don't think it's good for the parents who lose custody of their child because they won't affirm their gender.

00:58:11.320 Like, I think about this woman.

00:58:12.700 Her name is Jessica Bates.

00:58:13.740 She's in Oregon.

00:58:14.380 She's a widow. 0.93

00:58:15.300 She was fostering these kids.

00:58:17.000 She wanted to adopt them.

00:58:18.340 The state said, well, you have to sign here on the dotted line that you will approve of their gender transition if they ever want to do that. 0.56

00:58:24.760 She's a Christian.

00:58:25.420 She said, no.

00:58:26.240 They said, okay, you can't adopt.

00:58:27.840 Well, we've got this amazing organization called Alliance Defending Freedom, mostly Christian attorneys, who said that violates her constitutional right.

00:58:35.600 If we did not have Christians like that who are willing to involve themselves in culture and politics stand up for constitutional rights, 0.93

00:58:43.480 not only would the rights of someone like Jessica Bates not be protected, but also these kids would be languishing in foster care, and who knows, sent to someone who might castrate them. 1.00

00:58:53.040 And so it really, when we're talking about how policy tangibly affects the bodies and the lives of people, it's hard for me to see the case for the salt and light to get out of that arena.

00:59:07.340 And do what?

00:59:08.340 Retreat?

00:59:09.380 Yeah.

00:59:09.960 Yeah.

00:59:10.540 Well, you know what, Allie?

00:59:12.780 You're right.

00:59:14.280 And you know what my answer should have been about why I've abandoned politics?

00:59:17.900 Because the Lord hasn't brought me to a place in my faith that I can wield it.

00:59:23.640 And that's fair.

00:59:24.820 That's totally fair.

00:59:25.780 That should be my answer.

00:59:29.140 Because you are right.

00:59:30.540 You are indeed right.

00:59:31.560 And I can only pray that the Almighty does continue to mature me and sanctify me to the point that He can,

00:59:42.560 and that maybe He will put me in a position one day of influence that has the potential to make an impact for His sons and daughters,

00:59:54.640 but humans in general.

00:59:59.040 Humans do matter.

01:00:00.120 We don't, we've lost that too.

01:00:04.340 Mm-hmm.

01:00:05.760 When we talk about humans, we have been made in the likeness and image of God that humans are so special in all of creation that we're so special that what happened with us affected all of the creation.

01:00:30.120 Yeah.

01:00:30.400 That when all of the creation looks at us, they see the image of God in us, like all other creation.

01:00:44.440 It's unbelievable how special every single human is, believer or non-believer.

01:00:56.060 Yeah, totally.

01:00:57.400 And no, you're right.

01:00:59.380 You're very articulate in your point.

01:01:01.840 You're a very mature sister.

01:01:03.860 You've thought through this stuff.

01:01:05.320 But maybe all of us should be, should have the humility to assess like you did, is my heart in the right place?

01:01:13.900 And am I in a place spiritually where I can do this in a way that glorifies God?

01:01:17.900 Mm-hmm.

01:01:18.180 And maybe we should all do better at doing exactly what you've done and assessing our hearts, because sometimes we can get so fixated on winning and we got to win the next election.

01:01:28.880 Yeah.

01:01:29.040 And thinking, well, you know, America lives and dies by, you know, this next election, that I still think that there's validity to what you're saying, that we really need to guard our hearts against that kind of idolatry.

01:01:42.580 Yeah, yeah, man, that's so good.

01:01:45.320 Well, thank you so much for sharing today.

01:01:48.000 This is a whole sermon.

01:01:49.200 People are going to be super edified by it.

01:01:51.220 Can you tell everyone where they can learn more if they want to about the company that you have and how they can support and follow you if they want to?

01:01:58.620 Yeah, 3of7project.com.

01:02:01.200 Everything's there.

01:02:01.840 And I know that you have a large female audience, and I really, really want to encourage my sisters in Christ to get out, train, whether it's with me or whether it's with somebody else, go train, man, because what I saw my mother do changed the trajectory of my life.

01:02:26.140 And I want you to understand that as a mother, you have this opportunity to make an impact on your family that is completely unique to you.

01:02:45.780 So I just wanted to encourage the female audience to do that. 0.96

01:02:51.680 3of7.com.

01:02:52.700 Yeah, 3of7project.com.

01:02:54.200 3of7project.com.

01:02:55.340 Got it.

01:02:55.660 Well, thank you so much, Chad.

01:02:57.140 I really appreciate you.

01:02:58.280 Thank you, Allie.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - October 03, 2025

Ep 1249 ｜ He Shared the Gospel with Joe Rogan. Here’s What Else He’d Say ｜ Chadd Wright

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