Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1250 ｜ Did Israel Kill Charlie Kirk？ Investigation vs. Innuendo

00:00:00.860 Lots of claims are being made about Charlie Kirk's murder, including that Israel was somehow involved and that the government has the wrong guy.

00:00:08.420 We are going to explore those claims today, as well as discuss how Christians should discern what is true and what is not.

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00:04:13.180 All right.

00:04:13.800 Let's get into this much-awaited topic.

00:04:17.640 And it's tough.

00:04:18.940 It's tough to talk about all of this for so many different reasons.

00:04:22.160 When it comes to Charlie Kirk's assassination, this just happened.

00:04:26.100 It's very fresh.

00:04:27.520 And it's a human tragedy.

00:04:29.240 It's a personal tragedy to many of us.

00:04:31.900 And as much as we feel it's a personal tragedy, it is a thousand times infinitely deeper of a wound

00:04:38.700 for Erica, for their kids, for the many people who worked with Charlie on a daily basis.

00:04:44.480 Just the void that has been left in their lives is huge.

00:04:49.020 But in a way, it has affected so many people that never even met him.

00:04:53.820 I talk to people every day, every week, that still haven't been able to process Charlie's

00:05:00.260 death with someone that they know.

00:05:02.100 And I realize sometimes I'm the first person that they meet that actually knew Charlie.

00:05:06.380 And so the emotions are just still so high.

00:05:10.100 So in the midst of that, we are also talking about what actually happened to Charlie Kirk.

00:05:14.920 And there are many theories surrounding it.

00:05:18.020 And some of them I would call conspiracy theories.

00:05:21.040 Some of it is legitimate investigation.

00:05:23.900 Some of it is healthy question asking.

00:05:26.700 And I will talk about how I think as Christians we distinguish between all of those things.

00:05:31.900 And I do think it's okay to seek the truth about an investigation, about a crime like this, a tragedy like this, at the same time that you're mourning a person.

00:05:42.640 But I do think we have to be careful how we do it.

00:05:45.700 And so we've spent so much time doing everything we can to honor Charlie and to, in our very small way compared to him, carry that torch.

00:05:54.960 But I do want to get into some fact versus fiction and just some questions I have about the theory circulating, about who was actually involved in Charlie's murder.

00:06:05.160 There are so many claims being made.

00:06:07.020 I do not have time to go through all of the claims today.

00:06:09.700 I don't even have time to go through the claims that we are going through.

00:06:14.460 Like, I don't have time to hit every single point on those and debunk every point.

00:06:18.300 So I'm going to do the best that I possibly can to go through two claims.

00:06:21.640 And claim one is that Israel was somehow involved in Charlie's death.

00:06:27.120 And claim two is that the Tyler Robinson evidence has been manufactured.

00:06:33.800 And I don't have all the answers.

00:06:35.720 You don't have all of the answers on all of it.

00:06:37.880 But I think there are some really important questions that we need to ask that actually get us closer to the truth.

00:06:43.980 Okay, let's start with claim one, that Israel is involved.

00:06:47.680 And then I'm going to go through the sub-claims that I've seen.

00:06:50.660 So under this category, so sub-claim one is that Charlie was frustrated about Israel's handling of the Palestinian conflict.

00:06:59.860 I rate this seems to be true.

00:07:02.500 I do think that this sub-claim one, under the claim that Israel is involved in this murder, I do think this sub-claim seems to be true.

00:07:10.580 Charlie went on Patrick David's podcast shortly after October 7th, 2023.

00:07:16.240 And Charlie asked some questions about how this attack could have happened if Israel is really as secure and intelligent as we know they are.

00:07:26.940 And then he also made a comment about Israel potentially committing an ethnic cleansing in Gaza.

00:07:34.920 Here's top one.

00:07:35.860 Bibi and the Israeli hard-right government has a mandate. 0.62

00:07:40.920 I've got to be careful the way I say this.

00:07:43.000 Two, they're going to try to ethnically cleanse Gaza. 0.99

00:07:46.000 I mean, that's – and I don't use that term lightly, okay?

00:07:50.140 They're talking about basically removing 2.5 million people from there, okay?

00:07:54.740 Okay, so this is not exactly the unconditionally positive portrayal of Israel that you see from some conservatives.

00:08:05.540 Like, he had some what people would perceive as harsh words for the Israeli government at the time.

00:08:13.200 Even though Charlie has a history of being extremely pro-Israel, of visiting Israel, he has partnered with Prager University for a long time.

00:08:23.380 And really, no one ever questioned which side Charlie Kirk was on when it came to the Israel-Palestinian conflict or even the Judaism-Islam conflict.

00:08:33.160 He has been a very outspoken critic of Islamic extremism for a very long time.

00:08:38.900 And yet, he had some critical words.

00:08:41.160 Then there's subclaim, too.

00:08:42.840 Under this category, Charlie was feeling pressure from pro-Israel activists and potentially pro-Israel donors.

00:08:49.740 He made some comments that made people believe this on August 6, 2025 on Megyn Kelly's show.

00:08:54.940 Here's top two.

00:08:56.040 The behavior by a lot, both privately and publicly, are pushing people like you and me away.

00:09:02.280 Not like we're going to be pro-Hamas, but we're like, honestly, the way you are treating me is so repulsive.

00:09:10.280 I have text messages, Megan, calling me an anti-Semite.

00:09:13.700 I am learning biblical Hebrew and writing a book on the Shabbat.

00:09:17.580 I honor the Shabbat, literally the Jewish Sabbath.

00:09:20.760 I visit Israel and fight for it.

00:09:22.360 There's another article out in the Times of Israel today.

00:09:24.640 I could read it on air.

00:09:25.560 I was just reading it before I got on.

00:09:26.920 Charlie, what are you doing?

00:09:28.840 What am I doing?

00:09:30.820 I'm sorry.

00:09:32.160 Like, let's just take a step back here.

00:09:33.880 Like, I'm an American citizen.

00:09:37.380 So he goes on to say he's an American citizen.

00:09:39.720 He's going to put the priorities of America first.

00:09:41.940 And where he sees Israel's interests and America's interests contradicting, like he is going to be on the side of America. 0.62

00:09:49.760 And he was, I believe, getting more and more vocal about that over time.

00:09:54.760 We've got subclaim three.

00:09:57.000 One of the donors, some people are claiming, was Bill Ackman, who was allegedly very angry at Charlie softening in support of Israel.

00:10:05.420 And the accusation goes, he basically blackmailed him or threatened him to change his position.

00:10:13.980 Ackman made an ex post on September 15th responding to these accusations.

00:10:18.120 It was a very long response.

00:10:19.880 But he said, for the record, at no time have I ever threatened Charlie Kirk, Turning Point, or anyone associated with him.

00:10:25.420 I've never blackmailed anyone, let alone Charlie.

00:10:27.960 I've never offered Charlie or Turning Point any money in an attempt to influence Charlie's opinion on anything.

00:10:32.620 In fact, my interactions with Charlie Kirk have been extremely cordial, albeit limited.

00:10:36.520 Regretfully so, as I was very impressed by him and his work.

00:10:39.600 And I will sadly never see him again.

00:10:41.260 So this accusation is referencing a summit or a meeting that actually did occur.

00:10:47.680 I know that it occurred.

00:10:48.700 Lots of people have said that it occurred at the Hamptons with some conservative influencers.

00:10:53.660 I was not there.

00:10:54.440 I was not invited or a part of that at all.

00:10:56.900 But I know people who were there.

00:10:58.780 And Bill Ackman really was there.

00:11:00.900 Charlie Kirk really was there.

00:11:02.340 And I'm sure there were maybe conversations about Israel, because I know Charlie was interested in hosting debates among these conservative commentators on Israel and the Palestinian conflict and how that is being handled.

00:11:16.900 Ackman connected with Charlie via DM back in May, leading to a Zoom call on June 11th, where Kirk expressed concerns about young conservatives waning support for Israel.

00:11:27.660 Then Ackman posted his private WhatsApp text between him and Kirk to demonstrate their friendly interaction.

00:11:36.160 It looks like Bill Ackman said, how are you?

00:11:39.760 Charlie said, I'm doing great.

00:11:40.820 Really enjoyed our time together last week.

00:11:42.740 So this is later.

00:11:43.960 This is actually referencing the Hampton summit that happened in August.

00:11:49.340 And then Charlie said, thank you again for doing that, speaking about hosting that summit.

00:11:54.180 And then Bill Ackman said, it was great.

00:11:56.020 Great to get to know you better.

00:11:57.340 We should do dinner sometime with the ladies. 1.00

00:11:59.860 Charlie said, that would be awesome.

00:12:01.640 Thank you.

00:12:02.240 I will, et cetera.

00:12:03.800 OK, so they're talking about getting together at a certain point.

00:12:08.060 And then Seth Dillon, CEO of the Babylon Bee, who was there in the Hamptons, he was also accused alongside of Ackman of pressuring Charlie in an intervention to get him to change his stance on Israel.

00:12:20.780 And then Seth Dillon on X in a statement said, I did not organize or participate in any intervention with Charlie.

00:12:28.240 He said that there he had no coercion, no threats, that he didn't pressure him in any way.

00:12:35.120 And that he didn't notice any kind of anger going on here.

00:12:40.440 Charlie's producer, Andrew Colvett, you were probably already familiar with Andrew.

00:12:46.760 But if you watched my co-hosting of Charlie's show, then you saw him there, who is kind of taking the lead right now on Charlie's podcast.

00:12:57.040 He issued a response after consulting Turning Point staff who attended this August 4th through 5th retreat in the Hamptons.

00:13:06.440 Andrew said, I have been asked about the Bill Ackman event more than a few times now.

00:13:11.040 So I asked our staff who were traveling with Charlie at that time to find out what's true.

00:13:16.420 His team was with him 100 percent of the time when he wasn't in his hotel room.

00:13:20.780 Here's what they told me.

00:13:21.700 Bill never yelled at Charlie, never pressed him on Bibi, never gave him a list of Charlie's offenses against Israel.

00:13:28.820 There was concern raised about having Tucker at Student Action Summit.

00:13:32.360 And Charlie's reply was, honestly, people telling me not to have Tucker makes me want to have Tucker.

00:13:37.620 And I'm going to lock him in for AmFest 2.

00:13:41.520 All right.

00:13:42.500 So those are the claims that are being made.

00:13:44.480 Now, whether or not you want to believe those claims, maybe you don't believe Bill Ackman.

00:13:48.700 Maybe you don't believe Andrew Colvett.

00:13:50.200 Maybe you don't believe Seth Dillon.

00:13:52.320 And that is your prerogative to decide who you want to believe.

00:13:55.880 But I am telling you the response to the accusation that the pressure on Charlie reached some kind of fever pitch in the Hamptons.

00:14:06.040 And that somehow this points to Israel being a part of Charlie's assassination.

00:14:12.280 All right.

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00:15:31.660 Subclaim 4.

00:15:32.620 Benjamin Netanyahu lied about Charlie's letter.

00:15:36.740 On September 11th, Benjamin Netanyahu read excerpts of a letter he had received from Charlie Kirk in support of

00:15:42.900 Israel in an appearance on Fox News' Faulkner Focus.

00:15:46.720 So here's Bibi Netanyahu, Satri.

00:15:48.400 One of my greatest joys as a Christian is advocating for Israel and forming alliances to defend Judeo-Christian civilization.

00:15:57.660 A few weeks before the tragedy yesterday, I called him and I spoke to him and I said, please come to Israel.

00:16:05.980 I invited him to Israel.

00:16:08.140 And sadly, that visit will not take place.

00:16:10.120 But he was a defender of our common Judeo-Christian civilization.

00:16:14.840 He was unbelievably excited to walk in the footsteps of Jesus here.

00:16:19.700 Okay.

00:16:20.480 So after he said that, Candace Owens said that Bibi Netanyahu is lying about that letter.

00:16:27.040 And, you know, since the letter has come out, which we're going to read a little bit,

00:16:30.320 a lot of people have said that, you know, Candace was lying, saying that Bibi Netanyahu was lying.

00:16:37.780 And I'm not sure.

00:16:40.180 I don't think that's totally true that she was lying about that.

00:16:43.880 I think that it is true that there were parts of that letter that Bibi Netanyahu didn't read.

00:16:49.500 But at the same time, I don't know that him not reading the critical parts of Charlie's letter was a malicious omission.

00:16:58.160 It probably just wasn't appropriate on Fox News right after Charlie had died to read all of Charlie's criticism of Israel's messaging.

00:17:07.680 So, yes, it is true what Candace said, that the entirety of the letter was not just praising Israel unconditionally.

00:17:16.240 But Bibi Netanyahu is also right that Charlie wrote that and that Charlie was a supporter of Israel in general and the Judeo-Christian alliance in general.

00:17:27.840 So both are telling the truth there.

00:17:30.760 There is more to this letter, though, that I do think is important to know.

00:17:35.320 And we can't go through the whole thing because it was a very long letter.

00:17:39.840 It was originally released in its fullness by the New York Post.

00:17:45.960 And Charlie is basically expressing deep affection for Israel in the beginning as a Christian advocate.

00:17:52.160 He says it's been one of his greatest joys, exactly what we heard Bibi Netanyahu say here.

00:17:56.720 And then he goes on to say, as Muhammadism spreads into Western societies, 0.93

00:18:00.480 it's critical that Jews and Christians stay united in the effort to contain a rollback radical Islam and Sharia law.

00:18:06.840 I regret to report that anti-Israel and anti-Semitic trends are at record levels on social media.

00:18:13.000 These negative sentiments then flow downstream into college campuses and even seep into the conservative MAGA community.

00:18:21.620 But then he goes on to tell Bibi Netanyahu, this is mostly y'all's fault.

00:18:27.900 He's like, y'all's messaging efforts aren't good.

00:18:30.260 Y'all need a new PR strategy. 0.51

00:18:32.880 And what you are doing to communicate the virtue of y'all's fight against Hamas,

00:18:39.460 it shouldn't rely on American influencers.

00:18:42.000 And it seemed to me that Charlie was frustrated that he was always having to try to figure out a way to defend everything Israel was doing 0.96

00:18:51.500 and that Israel wasn't doing their part in helping American media and American conservatives like get the truth out there.

00:19:01.040 And so this was a very nuanced, a very layered letter to Bibi Netanyahu that I think showed genuinely who Charlie was and how he really felt.

00:19:13.500 I don't think there's any question that he was very pro-Israel, that he really believed in a Judeo-Christian alliance

00:19:22.200 and that he cared about the Holy Land and that he wanted Israel to succeed against Hamas and that he saw Islamism as a huge threat to Western civilization 0.64

00:19:32.000 and that he didn't buy into conspiracy theories about Judaism taking over different parts of power in the United States and undermining America.

00:19:42.280 He didn't believe in that from what I can see.

00:19:45.040 I don't have any secret conversations or secret information about Charlie to tell you one way or the other.

00:19:49.720 But it seems obvious to me from what he said publicly and what he said here to Benjamin, to Bibi Netanyahu.

00:19:58.300 So a lot of people are also saying, I've seen out there, that, oh, this letter wasn't really from Charlie,

00:20:05.280 which I don't really understand.

00:20:07.520 I see that from the right, it seems.

00:20:09.320 Some people saying this was written by AI.

00:20:11.240 This is ChatGPT.

00:20:12.460 This is not Charlie.

00:20:13.700 This is not how Charlie sounds.

00:20:15.500 Why would Charlie send this letter?

00:20:16.900 And then I see people on the left saying, oh, he was so arrogant.

00:20:20.680 Why would he send a letter like that?

00:20:22.200 Well, you both are wrong.

00:20:23.280 Number one, this sounds exactly like Charlie.

00:20:25.540 This sounds like Charlie.

00:20:27.820 This sounds like how he writes.

00:20:29.680 This sound or how he wrote.

00:20:31.180 This sounds like how he talked.

00:20:33.380 This seems true to the things that he was saying publicly at the time.

00:20:37.760 And so, okay, number two, I saw some people say, this is ChatGPT and Israel put it out there.

00:20:44.520 Why would Israel put out a letter like this?

00:20:46.900 This makes them look horrible.

00:20:49.280 Why would Israel want to publish a letter that makes them look so bad?

00:20:53.040 Because he had so much criticism for Israel.

00:20:55.480 So that doesn't make any sense.

00:20:57.720 And then on the other side, people saying, well, this was so arrogant.

00:21:00.560 It must not be real because Charlie would never think he had this much influence.

00:21:03.960 He had this much influence.

00:21:05.720 He had this much influence.

00:21:07.240 Like, Israel relies on American conservatives to be their publicist, basically, in a lot of ways in the West.

00:21:17.080 And Charlie was one of the leading pro-Israel voices and very influential in the Trump administration.

00:21:26.120 So, yes, he had that much influence on Bibi Netanyahu.

00:21:31.980 And so I think that the letter is completely real.

00:21:35.120 I don't think that we have any reason to doubt its validity.

00:21:38.900 And then we also have subclaim five, which, honestly, we're not even going to get totally into because I'm still trying to figure out, like, what is the claim here?

00:21:47.600 The claim is that Turning Point is losing money.

00:21:50.160 And I think that the assumption is that it had something to do with Israel.

00:21:58.280 And maybe we'll have to come back and we'll have to really, like, get into what the truth is about this and the allegation that they were losing money mysteriously and that Charlie wanted to lead some kind of like doge effort to make sure that they weren't losing money in some kind of, you know, nefarious way.

00:22:19.580 And then Tyler Boyer, who is the COO of Turning Point Action, he said that they're not losing money, that it's not true.

00:22:29.700 This is a standard audit.

00:22:31.860 And so, yeah, there's a lot of there's a lot of back and forth there.

00:22:35.140 And I don't have any insider information to offer you on that one, but all of these points are supposed to come together and we're supposed to at least be squinting our eyes at Israel and saying, OK, if all of these things are true or at least partially true, somewhat true, then maybe Israel is involved.

00:22:55.760 And here are some things that I think we need to think about before taking this leap and some questions that I think we need to ask, not only when it comes to this claim, but really when it comes to any claim.

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00:24:12.160 Okay, here's how conspiracy theories work, okay?

00:24:22.300 Because conspiracy theories are different than critical thinking and question asking.

00:24:27.860 And innuendo is different than investigation.

00:24:30.500 And implication is different than investigation.

00:24:33.560 And I'm not even pointing fingers right now.

00:24:36.200 I've seen a lot of different Instagram posts, a lot of different X posts from a lot of different people, some that are asking good questions and some that are just spinning up suspicion.

00:24:48.980 And again, those two things aren't the same.

00:24:50.920 So this is what you need to look for when it comes to any claim.

00:24:54.200 If it's a claim that I make, if it's a claim that someone else makes, especially when someone is creating a series out of multiple claims, okay?

00:25:01.900 So this is how conspiracy theories work.

00:25:04.380 One, you exploit distrust or gaps of information.

00:25:08.440 So in this case, we don't trust the government.

00:25:10.520 That's true.

00:25:11.060 We have good reason not to trust the government.

00:25:13.140 There have been things that the government has said that are kind of sketchy, like text exchange, that the government claimed was between the shooter and the partner.

00:25:22.340 A lot of people said that it seemed fake, although I think that there are some questions about that.

00:25:28.940 Two, exploit pre-existing suspicions or resentment.

00:25:32.480 So in this case, the people claiming that Israel was involved in this, like already didn't like Israel.

00:25:40.580 So that to me is a little suspicious.

00:25:42.740 Like it would be a lot more credible to me if the people pursuing this theory didn't already blame Israel for other things.

00:25:50.760 Like if they were blaming Germany for this, I'd be like, oh, that's interesting because I don't see any like vested interest in accusing this particular country.

00:25:59.800 Or if people who like never criticized Israel in the past were like, yeah, I really think Israel is a part of this. 0.55

00:26:06.400 And that might be a little bit more intriguing.

00:26:08.280 But it just seems a little bit too on the nose and coincidental that Israel would be involved in a crime. 0.62

00:26:14.360 And it's being found out by people who are already super critical of Israel.

00:26:19.040 Another characteristic is giving partial truths.

00:26:21.700 So like there there are some truths that are in this claim as we already as we already validated.

00:26:31.060 Netanyahu didn't say everything was in that letter.

00:26:33.480 Charlie did exchange words with Bill Ackman.

00:26:35.920 Charlie was concerned with Israel's direction.

00:26:38.520 So all of these things are true.

00:26:40.800 But then there's also this aspect, giving full truths, but making it seem like they're tied together with a secret sauce of special knowledge without ever actually providing the receipts and the evidence to prove those connections.

00:26:56.080 So this happened, this exists, and these two things are connected because we should be asking how, why?

00:27:05.320 So we should be asking what do those two things have in common?

00:27:08.680 How are those two things connected?

00:27:11.580 What do those two things have to do with each other?

00:27:14.620 And what do they have to do with Charlie's murder?

00:27:17.600 I need to be told specifically.

00:27:19.760 I need to be told directly.

00:27:21.760 I need to be told explicitly because if we're making claims about who is involved in Charlie's murder, like I need the tangible evidence of those connections.

00:27:32.660 It's not enough to just tell me that some things happened and some things exist.

00:27:37.060 Also, as I said, innuendo is not investigation.

00:27:43.160 So if someone knows something, if they have insider information, then they need to release it to the public.

00:27:49.320 Like, I don't want a drip campaign.

00:27:51.700 I don't want multiple, you know, like a thread on this.

00:27:56.040 Like, I just, I want to know, like if we all are seeking the truth and I want to know the truth too, then I want to know up front.

00:28:02.940 I don't want like these, oh, well, you know, this person said this, but I know for a fact that that's not true.

00:28:10.560 Tell me how you know for a fact.

00:28:12.440 I want to know, how do you know for a fact?

00:28:14.540 And like, what is the truth?

00:28:15.900 Gosh, I really want to know what is the truth.

00:28:17.860 So here are my specific questions when it comes to this Israel claim.

00:28:22.460 Why would Israel, whose existence is largely dependent upon the support of the U.S., take out one of the most vocal supporters of Israel and Judaism?

00:28:30.680 Why would they target a confidant of one of the most pro-Israel presidents of all time?

00:28:35.660 Would Israel really risk the further alienation of the American right, literally some of its only lasting supporters in the world, by taking out one of our biggest heroes?

00:28:44.340 And would they do it in a way that Internet sleuths can figure out? 0.99

00:28:50.160 Because it's either Israel is very stupid or they're extremely cunning and conniving, but I don't understand how they can be both. 1.00

00:28:57.440 And I've gone back and forth with some people in my DMs about this. 1.00

00:29:00.040 One person said, oh, well, look at this.

00:29:02.300 Look at how much Israel lobbies in our government. 0.92

00:29:05.520 Like, look at how much they're trying to influence the media.

00:29:07.940 Look at how many times they're, you know, meeting with commentators, how they were talking to Charlie Kirk and trying to influence what he thinks.

00:29:14.340 OK, but even if that's true and even if you have a problem with that, what does that have to do with this?

00:29:20.460 Because, you know, how many countries and how many corporations do that?

00:29:26.860 Like, do you know how many of these entities are trying to influence American media?

00:29:35.800 China, Russia are two of the main ones.

00:29:39.520 Iran, another one. 0.97

00:29:40.900 And, you know, Charlie was a big critic of Islam, much bigger critic of Islam than he was of Israel.

00:29:51.620 Charlie was a big critic of China.

00:29:55.580 Charlie was a confidant of the president who has been very harsh on Russia.

00:30:00.080 Tell me why there aren't a bunch of theories about those countries' involvement in Charlie's murder.

00:30:06.600 Like, again, ask why it goes back to Israel.

00:30:09.420 Charlie was critical of a lot of things and a lot of people and a lot of countries and a lot of different ideologies.

00:30:18.780 Like, why is it his criticism of one part of what a particular government is doing in the Middle East?

00:30:26.040 Why does that have to be the thing that probably led to his murder?

00:30:30.520 It just doesn't make sense to me.

00:30:31.860 It's not adding up to me.

00:30:33.280 Claim two.

00:30:35.260 The government is manufacturing the evidence against the current suspect.

00:30:41.000 There's someone named Rob O'Neill.

00:30:42.580 He's the man who killed Osama bin Laden.

00:30:44.560 Thank you, Lord, for that.

00:30:46.280 But he believes that the lone gunman theory is inaccurate.

00:30:50.240 He believes that there was that this guy had help.

00:30:53.820 Subclaim one.

00:30:54.540 So O'Neill initially calls the 170-yard shot with a .30-odd-6 rifle easy for a sniper or hunter, but later questions why an untrained 22-year-old would take a neck shot, saying,

00:31:08.660 you don't take a neck shot because you missed.

00:31:11.100 He implies that precision hitting Kirk's neck is suspicious for an amateur, suggesting possible training or an alternative explanation.

00:31:19.580 He says that the shot distance is within range for a hunting rifle with a scope.

00:31:24.840 His sniper experience, Rob O'Neill suggests, neck shots are accidental, not intentional for non-professionals.

00:31:35.360 Okay, so he just doesn't think it adds up there.

00:31:38.100 But here's our fact check.

00:31:40.060 It is possible.

00:31:42.140 I wouldn't even go so far as to say plausible.

00:31:46.140 I think that's even like a little bit too much.

00:31:48.400 It's possible but not conclusive.

00:31:49.940 A .30-odd-6 rifle with a modern scope, as the one that was recovered, can accurately hit a target at about 142 yards.

00:31:59.600 While challenging for an untrained shooter, the suspect did have experience.

00:32:04.400 We know that he trained with his father growing up.

00:32:08.760 There are a lot of pictures with guns.

00:32:10.620 In fact, Wall Street Journal has this picture of the suspect with a very large gun.

00:32:18.740 And so it is totally possible.

00:32:21.060 It's also possible that he was aiming for the head and that he jerked the gun and that he actually missed.

00:32:27.580 That he didn't actually mean to hit him in the neck.

00:32:30.320 And if he had practiced this, if he had done a lot of target practicing, which it does seem like that was something that was very much a part of his upbringing, it seems that it's totally possible.

00:32:40.860 And so he just doesn't think it seems like Robbie Neal just doesn't think that this guy could have done it on his own and that this was something that was maybe a little bit more professional.

00:32:52.400 Subclaim two, people are saying that the wound appearance of Charlie and the shirt movement just doesn't fit with this guy being on a roof 175 yards away.

00:33:02.860 So O'Neill disputes that the official narrative that the visible wound was an entry wound.

00:33:07.780 He disputes that, claiming it looked like an exit wound based on his own combat experience.

00:33:12.940 He says an entry wound doesn't look like that.

00:33:16.220 He says video footage showing the neck wound and shirt movement just don't line up.

00:33:22.460 He disputes the assertion that Kirk wasn't wearing body armor.

00:33:26.300 He said bullets don't deflect that way.

00:33:28.640 But we do know from Andrew Colvitt that he was not wearing body armor that that day.

00:33:36.380 And Andrew Colvitt said on September 20th in an ex post, he said that he wants to address some of the discussion about the lack of an exit wound.

00:33:46.880 He said, I just spoke with a surgeon who worked on Charlie in the hospital.

00:33:49.720 He said the bullet absolutely should have gone through, which is very normal for a high powered, high velocity, high velocity round.

00:33:56.700 I've seen wounds from this caliber many times and they always just go through everything.

00:34:01.880 This would have taken a moose or two down, an elk, etc.

00:34:05.600 But it didn't go through.

00:34:06.860 Charlie's body stopped it.

00:34:08.420 It was an absolute miracle that someone else didn't get killed.

00:34:11.300 His bone was so healthy and the density was so impressive that he's like the man of steel.

00:34:16.340 I should it should have gone through and through.

00:34:18.880 It likely would have killed those standing behind him, too.

00:34:21.900 In the end, the coroner did find the bullet just beneath the skin.

00:34:25.340 And so even in death, Charlie managed to save the lives of those around him.

00:34:29.840 Remarkable, miraculous.

00:34:31.400 Now, some people just aren't buying that, but I don't have a reason not to buy that.

00:34:36.000 I don't have I don't have any reason to doubt.

00:34:39.120 Of course, Andrew Colvitt, I totally believe him.

00:34:42.080 But then also what he's saying that the coroner said and that the surgeon said.

00:34:46.740 And of course, I believe it's possible for God to do anything.

00:34:49.840 And he's saying it's miraculous and miraculous means that it goes beyond reason or even like

00:34:58.220 the laws of physics.

00:34:59.800 And so I have no reason to believe that this is untrue and that there was some other kind

00:35:05.540 of wound there.

00:35:07.400 And also, like we've talked to people who were actually there, like Frank Turek.

00:35:11.320 He saw the wound.

00:35:13.320 He saw what happened.

00:35:14.980 He was there.

00:35:15.840 And I've talked to him and many of you have seen what he has said publicly and describing

00:35:22.220 exactly what happened.

00:35:24.340 And I trust him.

00:35:26.140 I trust Frank Turek, who has described the wound and what was going on in the car and

00:35:32.580 how they were trying to stop the bleeding and all of that.

00:35:35.200 And there's a reason why Charlie died so immediately.

00:35:39.300 There's another claim here about the security failures that people just aren't buying.

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00:36:48.780 Okay, so this is subclaim three.

00:36:56.920 Security failures, rooftop oversight.

00:37:00.580 O'Neill questioned why the rooftops weren't secured, especially after what happened in Butler, Pennsylvania with Trump.

00:37:10.040 So here is our fact check on that.

00:37:12.360 So Charlie's security team, as Turning Point has said over and over again, as I have experienced, because I've spoken at so many Turning Point events over the years, they are top notch.

00:37:22.900 I've been to a lot of events with different levels of security.

00:37:26.300 And I can tell you not every organization and not every event has the kind of security that Turning Point does.

00:37:34.160 Every time I was at a Turning Point event, I would have one or two security guards with me at all times, from the moment I left my hotel room to on stage to walking around, no matter what, until I got into my car and I got on my way to the airport, I was covered by a security guard.

00:37:53.520 Not every organization does that.

00:37:56.120 They are like no-nonsense guys.

00:37:59.000 And again, I've seen all different levels, and they were always my favorite because I just knew that I was cared for.

00:38:06.520 They weren't going to mess around, and you could tell that they were always assessing every threat.

00:38:10.880 And man, that was times 100 for Charlie, which was their principal, the guy that they loved, the guy that they knew.

00:38:17.400 If they were doing that for me, a random person, I'm telling you, they were on top of security for Charlie.

00:38:23.420 Now, what happened in this case, according to Tyler Boyer, who, again, is the head of Turning Point Action, has been with Turning Point from the beginning, is that it was not a failure of Turning Point Security, who did everything that they possibly could to secure it.

00:38:38.320 They had their own drone program.

00:38:40.320 And actually, the city where this happened had their own drone program.

00:38:45.120 But unfortunately, the drone was, the drone idea, I should say, the drone proposal was shot down by the campus, not literally shot down.

00:38:54.920 But they said, no, you can't use drones.

00:38:57.980 Tyler Boyer said on X, we have our own drone program shot down by campus police.

00:39:03.200 Orem Police has a state-of-the-art program.

00:39:05.640 The question I have is why the campus police didn't use it.

00:39:10.020 According to ABC News, Utah Valley University's outdoor courtyard, where Kirk showed up on September 10th to debate students, was surrounded by several tall buildings, leaving Kirk vulnerable.

00:39:19.200 That was made all the more potent because campus police didn't fly a drone to monitor rooftops or coordinate with local law enforcement to secure the event.

00:39:28.380 It deployed only six officers from a force that was already small for a campus its size.

00:39:32.460 There were no bag checks or metal detectors.

00:39:35.240 So, obviously, like, there are a lot of things, a lot of steps that could have been taken.

00:39:40.140 They could have said, no, no outside events after Butler, Pennsylvania.

00:39:43.600 They could have said, no, you're not allowing anyone into this area until they go through a metal detector.

00:39:50.920 The drone probably could have saved Charlie Kirk's life.

00:39:55.000 And so there was a lot going on here.

00:39:56.680 But Charlie had been in the lion's den in a lot of different places.

00:39:59.580 He had been in much more progressive and dangerous places than this.

00:40:03.880 So I don't know.

00:40:04.860 Maybe some, you know, security, the local police, campus police, whatever, maybe they just didn't think that it was that it was that big of a threat.

00:40:15.400 They said that they didn't see any credible threats.

00:40:17.920 Obviously, they were wrong about that.

00:40:20.080 And that is part of why we are where we are today.

00:40:25.300 I don't find this to be suspicious.

00:40:28.400 Human beings are fallible.

00:40:30.140 They make mistakes.

00:40:31.120 They do wrong things.

00:40:32.020 Maybe there were nefarious motives.

00:40:33.520 I don't know.

00:40:34.740 Behind the police forces there who didn't allow or the campus police that didn't allow them to have the drone program.

00:40:42.000 I don't know.

00:40:42.680 But I don't think this is all part of some secret grand scheme that means that the suspect isn't really the suspect.

00:40:51.400 Again, I'm just not seeing the connection there.

00:40:53.920 And then we also have this claim that there's been a sketchy handling of the crime scene.

00:40:58.980 There's this video going around where it looks like the college UVU is tearing up the crime scene.

00:41:05.020 SOT 6.

00:41:07.900 Okay.

00:41:08.600 So you can see that they're kind of like painting it.

00:41:11.940 They look like they're maybe laying caught.

00:41:13.960 No, it looks like they're just painting it.

00:41:16.340 And so some people are saying, oh, my goodness, they're messing up this crime scene.

00:41:20.760 They're trying to cover something up.

00:41:23.920 But the truth is, you can see in this picture right here, we've got this full screen.

00:41:29.300 The scene of the crime was roped off while the authorities were investigating it.

00:41:33.360 This picture is from September 11th that you're seeing the day after the murder.

00:41:37.280 And so they probably got everything that they needed.

00:41:41.300 And they probably told the campus, hey, you can't do anything.

00:41:44.360 You can't reconstruct anything here until we do what we need to do.

00:41:50.040 And so I have no reason to believe that they were covering up any evidence or that there was anything nefarious going on there.

00:41:58.000 I mean, at this point, it's been a while since Charlie was murdered.

00:42:02.460 And I assume that federal authorities have gotten everything that they needed because, remember, the gun and where the guy was actually on the roof, that was not where they are reconstructing.

00:42:16.120 They, I'm sure, already got everything they needed from where Charlie was actually shot.

00:42:21.800 And then there's another claim here, and this is our last claim for this segment, that there was overly convenient evidence left by the suspect.

00:42:31.320 There was a note left under the suspect's keyboard photographed by his romantic partner saying, I had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk and I'm going to take it.

00:42:40.120 The text exchanged with his partner post-shooting where Robinson allegedly confessed, said he had enough of Kirk's hatred and that he had been planning the attack over a week.

00:42:52.780 He also used some words like vehicle, which people claimed, OK, no, no, you know, 20-year-old talks like this.

00:43:02.460 This is just too weird.

00:43:03.620 This is clearly the feds creating these texts, I don't know, in order to make you think that this is the suspect.

00:43:11.800 And I read the texts and I did think they were super awkward.

00:43:14.860 I thought they were too on the nose.

00:43:16.800 I didn't think that it sounded like a 20-something would text something like this and that the, like, trans person on the other side was so innocent and so, like, oh, my goodness, what do you, I thought it was, I did think it was weird.

00:43:31.060 But then I thought, I saw a video going around, and actually I'll play it, and it's of this suspect calling a car a vehicle.

00:43:41.880 And then I thought, you know what, he kind of talks like this.

00:43:45.340 Here it is.

00:43:46.440 As I get into the intersection, he holds, there was a vehicle in the lane.

00:43:51.180 And then it struck me, these two people may very well be on the autism spectrum.

00:43:57.340 And they may talk awkwardly.

00:44:02.520 Like, they may be socially awkward.

00:44:04.520 They may say things that you would think, like, a typical 20-something wouldn't say.

00:44:10.300 They may actually talk like that.

00:44:12.200 But even if it is the feds, like, even if these texts are fake, I still think that this is the guy.

00:44:23.860 I think that we have sufficient evidence, sufficient photographs, sufficient evidence of his discord and Reddit history to say, yeah, this guy, he didn't like Charlie Kirk.

00:44:39.620 And he was a radical, and he had been radicalized.

00:44:42.600 And probably living with the so-called trans person was radicalizing. 1.00

00:44:47.240 He had gun training.

00:44:48.560 I don't see any reason to believe that this is not the person.

00:44:53.500 He does look like the pictures that were released of the suspect that came down off the roof.

00:45:00.780 I don't understand when people are claiming that he doesn't look like that.

00:45:05.280 He does look like that.

00:45:07.180 So until I see true evidence to the contrary, I just, sorry, I don't believe that it was anyone else.

00:45:15.200 And I don't believe that the government is, like, covering up for Israel.

00:45:19.820 Again, I just haven't seen evidence of that.

00:45:23.100 All right.

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00:47:18.320 Here are some questions to ask.

00:47:26.120 Whenever you're hearing anyone, myself included, make claims and make a case for something.

00:47:31.820 Okay?

00:47:32.120 You've got to ask these questions.

00:47:33.660 What are the motivations of this person?

00:47:35.820 What are the motivations behind their narrative?

00:47:38.160 Consider why someone is promoting this particular line of thinking.

00:47:42.040 Are they seeking truth?

00:47:43.480 That's a good thing.

00:47:44.280 Or do they have ulterior motives, like trying to perpetuate continued resentment towards

00:47:52.020 a person or towards an entity that they feel resentment toward?

00:47:55.020 Or maybe for some people it's attention or power, whatever it is.

00:47:58.960 There's a lot of people, I especially see a lot of people making all kinds of posts on

00:48:03.560 Instagram that clearly their theories can be poked through with just a little bit of critical

00:48:09.460 thinking, but this has garnered a lot of engagement for them.

00:48:12.300 So it's very difficult when someone, when something gets you a lot of engagement to stop

00:48:17.160 on the basis of morality and ethics.

00:48:19.820 It's very difficult.

00:48:21.800 What evidence have they presented?

00:48:23.160 This is the big one.

00:48:24.040 This is the one that I want you to ask over and over again to me and every single person

00:48:27.400 that you follow or listen to.

00:48:29.380 What evidence has this person presented?

00:48:31.680 Look for concrete, verifiable evidence.

00:48:34.880 Are the claims backed up with data, documents, firsthand accounts, or are they speculative?

00:48:39.220 And not just for the claims they're presenting, but the connections between the claims that

00:48:45.500 they're presenting.

00:48:46.420 Are they just making a bunch of claims and then leaving it up to you to speculate and

00:48:51.380 to bring all of those things together?

00:48:53.620 See, that's the difference again in conspiracy theory and critical thinking.

00:48:57.820 Do they cite credible sources?

00:48:59.780 Evaluate whether the sources are reputable, transparent, authoritative?

00:49:03.240 Are they vague?

00:49:04.240 Are they constantly anonymous?

00:49:05.880 Are they obviously biased?

00:49:07.540 Is the narrative logically consistent?

00:49:10.440 Does the story hold together under scrutiny?

00:49:12.700 Does it rely on contradictory claims or leaps of faith?

00:49:16.780 So that's a good question.

00:49:17.640 You've got to think really hard about these things.

00:49:20.280 And I think one of the biggest problems that we have is outsourcing our critical thinking

00:49:24.560 to podcasters and influencers.

00:49:27.160 I don't want you to do that.

00:49:28.580 I don't want you to do that with me.

00:49:29.700 I don't want you to do that with anyone.

00:49:30.880 In fact, as much as I love helping people and giving words to their arguments and beliefs,

00:49:37.060 sometimes I'll get messages like, what should I think about this or what should I say to

00:49:41.600 that?

00:49:41.940 And I'm like, you should know.

00:49:43.560 You should know.

00:49:44.340 You should be able to ask questions.

00:49:46.300 You should be able to think through what someone is saying and at least get to the point of being

00:49:52.760 able to poke holes in their statement.

00:49:54.620 And typically it's about, you know, some claim that a professing liberal Christian is making

00:49:59.820 that is so obviously untrue.

00:50:01.560 And I'll get a question from like a strong believer.

00:50:04.640 Well, gosh, this is compelling.

00:50:05.820 What do you think about this?

00:50:06.840 And honestly, I just want to say, you know, what do you think about it?

00:50:10.880 You think before you ask me, and this is a good rule of thumb, before you ask me,

00:50:15.960 before you ask anyone, you think about it first.

00:50:19.020 And you try to dig through it before you outsource your thinking to someone else.

00:50:25.120 Does the narrative align with observable reality?

00:50:28.300 So test the claims against known facts.

00:50:31.460 Do they require dismissing large amounts of evidence or common sense to be believable?

00:50:36.860 Like, do you have to suspend what you know to be true in order to believe this person's

00:50:44.320 connections that they're presenting to you?

00:50:46.000 What is the fruit of the narrative that they are presenting?

00:50:50.800 Does believing or spreading this theory foster fear, paranoia, chaos, or does it promote better

00:50:57.820 understanding, a better grasp of the truth, evaluate its spiritual and practical outcomes?

00:51:04.400 And I also want to talk to you about Gnosticism.

00:51:07.160 I think it's really important to know the context of these kinds of narratives and context

00:51:13.560 around true conspiracies.

00:51:15.040 Gnosticism emphasizes secret elite knowledge that supposedly reveals, like, hidden truths

00:51:22.220 about the world that could only be accessed in a special way.

00:51:26.820 So according to Ligonier, Gnosticism was a prominent movement that grew up around the

00:51:31.320 church in the second century.

00:51:32.960 It also has a pre-Christian origin.

00:51:35.740 It was a cocktail of Persian, Egyptian, Jewish, and Christian ideas with some Greek philosophy

00:51:40.460 thrown in.

00:51:41.140 The word Gnosis itself means knowing or having knowledge.

00:51:45.200 Having knowledge is a significant part of Gnosticism.

00:51:47.700 To say you are Gnostic is to say, I know something you don't.

00:51:51.460 I'm in on the secret.

00:51:52.840 I've been enlightened.

00:51:54.800 I've woken up.

00:51:55.920 I'm spiritually on a higher level.

00:51:59.320 And in order for you to access this special knowledge, you have to follow me.

00:52:02.760 And you have to enter into the secret door.

00:52:05.000 I mean, we see this in the New Age.

00:52:07.280 We see this in the self-help, self-love movement.

00:52:09.740 We see this, I would say, in the hyper-crunchy world.

00:52:13.240 We also see it in the progressive world that you just have to be woke the way I'm woke.

00:52:18.340 And if you're woke, then I don't really have to tell you the evidence behind these connections

00:52:22.360 because you'll just know it because I know it.

00:52:25.340 And I'm going to infuse my secret knowledge into you.

00:52:27.620 That's Gnosticism.

00:52:29.080 That is pagan cultishness. 0.93

00:52:31.900 Okay?

00:52:32.540 And I want to remind you of this passage from Isaiah that's really important for all of us

00:52:41.840 to remember.

00:52:42.980 Because the truest thing that is always going on is God's eternal plan of redemption,

00:52:48.200 which is always going off without a hitch.

00:52:51.120 God is never confused.

00:52:52.740 He's never thrown off.

00:52:54.200 He's never wondering what's going on.

00:52:56.300 Full justice and truth will be done and will be revealed in the fullness of time.

00:53:01.980 Does that mean we shouldn't seek truth and justice here today?

00:53:05.260 Of course we should.

00:53:06.240 I think that's part of the reason we're here on earth, but we have to do it in a way that

00:53:10.120 is logical, that is reasonable, and that goes more deeply into truth and evidence, not

00:53:14.720 away from it.

00:53:15.820 Isaiah 8, 12 through 13.

00:53:17.440 Do not call conspiracy all that this people calls conspiracy.

00:53:20.420 And do not fear what they fear, nor be in dread.

00:53:23.100 But the Lord of hosts, him you shall honor as holy.

00:53:26.440 Let him be your fear.

00:53:28.060 Let him be your dread.

00:53:30.160 So we should not have the same paranoia and the same fear and the same anxiety that the

00:53:36.240 world does because we know who is ultimately in charge.

00:53:39.500 We know where our hope comes from.

00:53:41.540 So if you're going to seek truth and ask questions, seek truth and ask questions from that place.

00:53:47.380 Trusting in the sovereignty of God, trusting in his goodness, not from a place of personal

00:53:53.640 control.

00:53:55.060 Don't exchange the God of scripture for the God of self that leads to a very heavy burden

00:53:59.240 of anxiety in all ways.

00:54:00.780 All right.

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00:55:05.060 Okay, moms. 0.96

00:55:06.900 Your daughters should not be listening to Taylor Swift. 1.00

00:55:10.440 They should not be.

00:55:11.540 She is not a role model.

00:55:13.340 And it actually baffles me that there are Christian moms who will say, well, she's better than 0.96

00:55:17.860 Chapel Room.

00:55:18.800 Or she's better than Bad Bunny. 1.00

00:55:20.640 Or she's better than, I don't know, Selena Gomez, whoever. 0.99

00:55:27.300 Y'all, the bar is in hell if that is our standard.

00:55:31.660 The bar could not be lower if we are deciding on the righteousness of our kids' entertainment

00:55:39.220 choices based on the most degenerate stuff out there.

00:55:42.940 That is not how Christians should be thinking. 1.00

00:55:46.280 We are to pursue what is excellent, what is good, what is praiseworthy.

00:55:50.580 And Taylor Swift's music at this point is none of those things.

00:55:54.840 Okay, we're excited that she's getting married.

00:55:57.120 I'm excited that she's getting married.

00:55:59.000 We are excited that she has found a man that she can commit to and love.

00:56:04.100 Yay.

00:56:04.480 We are excited that she is not celebrating being a homosexual like so many pop artists 1.00

00:56:11.140 today. 0.66

00:56:12.180 Yay.

00:56:12.980 Okay, we can acknowledge all of those things.

00:56:15.140 We can say that maybe she's not as depraved and disturbed as some of the pop artists out

00:56:21.120 there.

00:56:21.440 All right, we can acknowledge all of that while also acknowledging that she is not placing good,

00:56:28.320 pure, praiseworthy, and excellent thoughts in our minds and in the minds of our very

00:56:34.480 impressionable daughters.

00:56:37.260 See, it is different teenagers listening to Taylor Swift today than us listening to Taylor

00:56:44.120 Swift when we were a teenager, when we were teenagers, because Taylor Swift was a teenager

00:56:49.720 when we were a teenager.

00:56:51.340 She was crying on her guitar.

00:56:52.880 We were crying on our guitar.

00:56:54.520 She was happy, confused, and lonely at the same time.

00:56:56.440 We were happy, confused, and lonely at the same time.

00:56:59.280 She was 22.

00:57:00.840 I was 20.

00:57:01.700 Okay, so we were in the same life stage. 0.89

00:57:03.440 She was talking about this, you know, silly, superficial stuff.

00:57:06.780 She was talking about teenage romance. 0.95

00:57:08.720 She was not talking about opening up her thighs to someone who is not a husband.

00:57:13.460 Okay?

00:57:13.980 And that is literally what she is singing about.

00:57:16.600 There is zero reason for you to allow your daughter to be listening to or going to the

00:57:23.980 concert of Taylor Swift.

00:57:25.160 There is a verse that came to mind when I was seeing some of the people share about her lyrics.

00:57:30.720 Song of Thelma in 2-7.

00:57:32.780 Do not stir up or awaken love until it pleases.

00:57:37.400 The NIV says, do not arouse or awaken love until it so desires.

00:57:42.880 And I think it is so important to make sure to do everything that we can to keep our daughters,

00:57:48.820 to keep our kids on the right track spiritually, mentally, and emotionally.

00:57:53.040 Like, I think about the mistake that I made when I was a teenager and reading Smut.

00:57:58.460 I mean, it wasn't nearly as bad as, you know, the stuff that you see today.

00:58:02.020 It wasn't like explicit 50 shades of gray, but a lot of innuendo, a lot of like hot and

00:58:08.280 heavy implication about what was going on behind closed doors, that kind of twilight stuff I

00:58:14.880 should not have been reading as a 16, 17 year old alone in my room because it creates in

00:58:21.760 you a desire that cannot be fulfilled in a holy way and purposely consuming content that

00:58:28.660 creates in you, whether you're an adult, but especially as a teenager, that

00:58:32.000 creates in you a desire, a longing that may be natural, but cannot be fulfilled in a way

00:58:38.880 that is honoring to God is not good.

00:58:41.800 And we as parents are called to steward our children.

00:58:44.760 We can't control them.

00:58:46.360 And I'm not saying we put them in a bubble, but we also don't say here, honey, this thing

00:58:51.280 that is degenerate and that is encouraging sexual impurity and immodesty and self-service 0.71

00:58:58.380 and self-obsession and sexual promiscuity. 0.64

00:59:01.520 Like, yeah, listen to this.

00:59:03.740 Let's be entertained by the sins that Christ died for.

00:59:08.000 That's not good Christianity. 1.00

00:59:09.520 That's not good motherhood. 1.00

00:59:11.060 That's my hard pill to swallow.

00:59:12.820 We'll be back here on Wednesday talking about the comparison between George Floyd and Charlie

00:59:19.540 Kirk.

00:59:20.240 What really is martyrdom?

00:59:22.760 Yes, I will be responding to that Jackie Hill Perry clip that a lot of you guys have sent me

00:59:28.100 and that has been circulating, but we'll have a lot more to talk about on Wednesday as well.

00:59:32.180 So we'll see you guys back here then.

00:59:33.660 We'll see you guys next time.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - October 06, 2025

Ep 1250 ｜ Did Israel Kill Charlie Kirk？ Investigation vs. Innuendo

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