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00:00:34.100 I'm going to tell you on today's episode of Relatable, but first we will give an encouraging

00:00:38.960 recap of Share the Arrows, my Christian women's conference.

00:00:42.940 Just amazing.

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00:01:00.000 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable.

00:01:02.420 Happy Wednesday.

00:01:03.620 Hope everyone is having a wonderful week so far.

00:01:07.040 This is the first episode of the week where you are seeing me, the regular host of this

00:01:11.340 show.

00:01:11.780 On Monday, my dad guest hosted.

00:01:14.100 And if you are new to Relatable, and a lot of you probably are today.

00:01:17.980 My dad guest hosts periodically.

00:01:20.900 And Monday was a day to kind of recover from everything that happened over the weekend.

00:01:26.140 And it was an incredible couple days of Share the Arrows.

00:01:31.140 That is our women's conference.

00:01:33.200 And this was our second year in a row.

00:01:35.860 And so I'm just going to do a recap.

00:01:37.660 For those of you who went, I think you'll really enjoy this.

00:01:41.140 But for those of you who were not able to go or who didn't even know about it, it's going

00:01:45.920 to encourage you.

00:01:46.900 And for the Relatables out there, you, of course, were not allowed.

00:01:50.720 No Relatables allowed.

00:01:52.100 This is a women's conference.

00:01:53.840 And so I think you will also be at a fight if you're listening to this when you hear what

00:01:59.740 almost 7,000 women did this weekend and the lessons they learned.

00:02:05.280 And most of all, what God did.

00:02:08.420 I don't know if we are in a revival, as I've talked about many times.

00:02:12.380 I think we are.

00:02:14.020 But a revival is judged by its fruit.

00:02:16.740 And it just hasn't been long enough for us to be able to see the fruit of anything.

00:02:22.440 And so I think time will tell when we see, have people truly returned to church?

00:02:29.220 Have they repented or gone to church for the first time?

00:02:32.700 Have they started reading their Bibles?

00:02:34.260 Do they have a greater love for God and a desire for His glory, not just emotional experiences,

00:02:41.660 but they truly seek to elevate Christ in their lives and in every sphere they occupy?

00:02:48.320 That is how we will be able to tell as time goes on if this is a true revival.

00:02:53.060 No matter what, though, God is up to something.

00:02:55.720 God is up to something.

00:02:56.720 I saw this morning that Share the Arrows and the Jubilee debate, which we'll get into in

00:03:01.620 just a little bit, was trending on X.

00:03:04.080 And just how remarkable is that?

00:03:06.620 It said that Allie Beth Stuckey, which it really wasn't me, but really the Lord gathered almost

00:03:11.340 7,000 women in Dallas, Texas to worship together and to hear hard-hitting biblical truth.

00:03:17.180 And I'm just so thankful that I get to play a small part in all of that.

00:03:21.000 All right.

00:03:21.720 So let me just tell you, here it is.

00:03:23.940 Here's that picture.

00:03:24.820 Let me just tell you what an amazing day this was, y'all.

00:03:28.320 That picture is of the arena.

00:03:31.740 So that's 7,000 of us right there worshiping together.

00:03:35.420 And I just want to give a shout out to the photographer, Vitaly.

00:03:38.620 Like he is incredible.

00:03:41.120 He took so many amazing pictures that day.

00:03:43.360 We had what was called in the round.

00:03:45.440 So that stage is in the middle, which was kind of like a fun experience.

00:03:48.540 It's a little bit difficult as a speaker, and maybe Francesca would say too, as a worship

00:03:52.660 leader, although, you know, she's an incredible professional, so she probably had no issue

00:03:56.600 with it.

00:03:56.940 But it was kind of hard, actually, trying to make sure that I'm staying on message and

00:04:02.080 engaging the entire audience by like working the stage.

00:04:05.440 But everyone did amazing.

00:04:07.960 And the energy there, y'all, in that room, I didn't get to feel it as much because I was

00:04:12.540 either backstage or I was on stage.

00:04:15.520 Sometimes I was out there worshiping with everyone, but mostly I was running around

00:04:19.600 preparing.

00:04:21.100 And from what I heard from those who were there, from my family, the energy was off the charts.

00:04:26.300 And I don't mean some like new age, intangible energy.

00:04:30.200 I'm just talking about everyone's enthusiasm there and their happiness and their engagement

00:04:37.520 and just their joy just exuded.

00:04:40.500 And I could tell too when I was out there, but every single testimony that I've gotten from

00:04:44.480 someone is just that these were the friendliest, most generous, joyful people ever.

00:04:49.760 And I just know that's true.

00:04:50.860 I heard that last year, too, because my audience is the best.

00:04:53.400 You see that worship there.

00:04:54.440 So incredible.

00:04:55.340 That was a picture of Ginger Duggar Volo that you just saw.

00:04:59.360 She talked about the dangers and idolatry of people pleasing and how people pleasing can

00:05:03.680 actually get in the way of our relationships with others and our relationship with God.

00:05:08.220 And isn't that just so profound that it's not just degeneracy and sin that can inhibit

00:05:14.860 us from right relationship with others and God, but it's actually trying too hard to be

00:05:19.660 perfect, which is not the standard that we're trying to reach.

00:05:23.380 It's holiness that's empowered by Christ that we are trying to reach.

00:05:27.640 And so her message was just so encouraging.

00:05:30.140 I heard from so many of you that it was the worship that was really kind of like most profound

00:05:36.380 for you being led by Francesca Battistelli.

00:05:40.080 I love this picture, y'all.

00:05:41.520 Let's just pause on this for a second.

00:05:43.520 This is maybe my favorite picture that I saw from the conference.

00:05:47.360 So many babies, y'all.

00:05:49.160 So many babies.

00:05:50.440 The entire time I was on stage, I'm hearing like babies coo and cry.

00:05:55.760 And I loved it.

00:05:56.920 It didn't distract me for a single second.

00:05:59.340 And I think that is true of every speaker who was there.

00:06:03.000 It was like a symphony to me.

00:06:04.800 So if you were there, I saw so many moms like in the aisles and in their seat, standing up

00:06:10.480 and rocking their baby, trying to shush their baby to sleep.

00:06:13.160 This woman, she might even be nursing her baby right there, which is like such a boss move.

00:06:17.720 I love it so much.

00:06:19.940 And just the beautiful chorus of all of these women together.

00:06:23.960 So many of these women did not know each other.

00:06:27.240 They came alone.

00:06:28.180 And that's scary, okay?

00:06:29.340 You think everyone's going to know each other.

00:06:30.760 I'm going to feel awkward.

00:06:32.380 And what I heard from every single one of you is that the Lord sat you.

00:06:35.720 I'm going to start crying, sorry.

00:06:37.140 But the Lord sat you by just the right person.

00:06:40.660 And the person next to you held your baby and shushed your baby and maybe held you because

00:06:45.280 maybe there was a moment that you were overcome with emotion.

00:06:47.780 And I just, it was just so special to see all of you there and to know that the Lord met

00:06:57.060 you there and that the Holy Spirit was working there.

00:07:00.960 We've got some pictures.

00:07:02.320 This picture, this is full screen three.

00:07:05.120 This is me and a couple of the speakers behind the scenes.

00:07:09.420 And I tried to grab as many speakers as I could.

00:07:12.860 I didn't get to grab everyone before they went on stage to just pray together.

00:07:17.200 So important.

00:07:18.160 This is Taylor Dukes and this is Shauna Holman.

00:07:20.240 And we're just praying together before they went on.

00:07:23.200 And you should know, in addition to all of the preparation that went into this, I mean,

00:07:28.580 there's so much work, just good old fashioned hard work went into this, but so much prayer,

00:07:35.320 so much prayer every single day.

00:07:37.600 And especially on the day of, and I felt all of your prayers too, because some of you might

00:07:44.000 remember on Thursday of last week, y'all, Wednesday of last week, one of my children comes home

00:07:51.700 and has a stomach bug.

00:07:53.560 And all of you know that when that first symptom of the stomach bug hits, you are just on your

00:08:00.860 knees praying to the Lord.

00:08:01.860 And you're like, please, Lord, let it be bad mac and cheese that she ate.

00:08:07.640 Let it not be a virus, please, Lord.

00:08:11.600 And so you take your activated charcoal, you start drinking your grape juice, and you start

00:08:16.760 chugging your vitamin C.

00:08:18.260 And I prayed that day, which now looking back, maybe I shouldn't have prayed this.

00:08:22.640 Maybe I shouldn't have given the options.

00:08:24.240 I said, Lord, please let me get sick today or not at all.

00:08:28.520 I should have just said, please let me not get sick at all.

00:08:30.340 Why did I even put the option on the table?

00:08:32.980 But I said, please, please don't let me get sick on Friday or Saturday.

00:08:39.220 Okay, so she was sick.

00:08:40.700 And I didn't know sometimes these bugs last a week.

00:08:43.020 Sometimes they last 12 hours.

00:08:44.660 Well, it was a rough night because as you know, with the stomach virus, it's boom, boom, boom.

00:08:49.880 It's like dominoes.

00:08:51.100 And it was.

00:08:52.380 It was her.

00:08:53.720 It was our youngest.

00:08:55.380 It was our oldest.

00:08:57.320 It was me.

00:08:58.220 And then it was Chief Related Bro.

00:09:01.040 And Thursday, y'all, we were down for the counts.

00:09:05.580 All of us.

00:09:06.540 Well, actually, Chief Related Bro was fine.

00:09:08.460 Like, he actually, thank the Lord, he felt okay.

00:09:11.700 He got a little sick.

00:09:12.940 And then he was fine for the rest of the day.

00:09:14.820 But Thursday, if you had seen us, you would have been like, are these people on their deathbed?

00:09:19.720 It's me, my three children, all laying in our bed.

00:09:23.140 I mean, I think we all on and off slept that day, except for Chief Related Bro, for like 12 hours.

00:09:29.840 Oh, it was awful.

00:09:31.580 It was an awful stomach bug.

00:09:34.040 And I'm really thinking, how am I going to do this?

00:09:38.760 Like, I felt like death.

00:09:41.300 I don't know how I'm going to do this.

00:09:43.140 I can't cancel.

00:09:44.360 I don't want to cancel, obviously.

00:09:45.940 But if I still feel like this on Saturday, I don't know what I'm going to do.

00:09:49.900 And of course, the last thing that you want to do is get other people sick.

00:09:53.920 And so I was like, I was just praying and praying and praying that it would be quick.

00:10:00.140 And thankfully, it was.

00:10:01.280 By the, like, by Thursday, we, by the end of Thursday, anyway, we already had the one who started, she felt better.

00:10:09.140 And then it just, like, by Friday afternoon, I was feeling better.

00:10:13.360 And all of you prayed for me.

00:10:15.580 Thank you so much.

00:10:16.960 The prayer of a righteous person has great power as it is working.

00:10:20.260 That's what James 5 tells us.

00:10:21.820 And so I still was keeping my distance, trying to keep my distance from people, because I didn't want to get anyone sick.

00:10:27.780 And thankfully, I didn't.

00:10:29.700 But it was rough.

00:10:30.640 But, you know, that is so like the Lord.

00:10:33.080 And we've got to pause in a second and do an ad read.

00:10:36.660 But it's so like the Lord to remind us, and this has happened to me multiple times in different ways, to remind us, this is not about you.

00:10:44.960 Okay?

00:10:45.280 I'm going to completely deplete you of your energy and of your abilities.

00:10:51.820 And, oh, you thought that you were going to set apart this day on Thursday to prepare, which would have been a good thing.

00:10:58.320 It's not like it was a bad thing for me to plan to do that.

00:11:00.500 But Thursday was going to be my day to make sure that I put all the finishing touches on my speeches and make sure I had all of my questions in for the different guests that I had on stage.

00:11:11.060 And the Lord took that away from me because I couldn't do it.

00:11:15.740 And it's so like Him to remind us, even through hardship, as temporary as that was, like, this is about me.

00:11:24.040 I'm doing something.

00:11:25.720 It is my strength.

00:11:26.860 It's my abilities.

00:11:28.800 It's my powers.

00:11:29.520 My faithfulness is going to come through.

00:11:31.580 And I'm going to stack the odds against myself just so I can tear them all down.

00:11:35.580 So you remember that this is about my glory.

00:11:39.500 And, I mean, sickness in so many ways can be very sanctifying.

00:11:43.160 And even though I know that was a small sickness in comparison, like, I'm thankful for that, that the Lord had to, like, bring me to a very physically and mentally weak place the day before the Share the Arrows festivity started just to remind me, it's not about you.

00:12:00.920 It's not about you.

00:12:02.060 And truly, the weekend was about Jesus, and I'm so thankful for that.

00:12:05.660 Let me pause and tell you that if you miss Share the Arrows in person, or even if you were at Share the Arrows and you want to watch it again, it's going to be available to you.

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00:12:18.120 So if you get a Blaze TV subscription, you can watch all of Share the Arrows and all of its beauty starting next Monday, October 20th.

00:12:27.200 And I really encourage you to do so.

00:12:29.400 Like, you'll be able to access this for years to come as long as you want.

00:12:33.280 And you'll also be able to access all other Blaze TV content.

00:12:36.840 So you're not just getting access to Share the Arrows and Share the Arrows from last year, too, which is amazing.

00:12:42.560 But all Blaze TV subscriber-exclusive content, which is different than the content that we give you for free on YouTube and Spotify and places like that.

00:12:50.920 If you go to blazetv.com slash Allie and you use my code Allie at checkout, you'll get $20 off your subscription, and you'll get access to Share the Arrows.

00:13:00.060 And those of you who are there, maybe you didn't take all the notes that you wanted to.

00:13:04.780 So now you get to replay it again.

00:13:06.320 So go to blazetv.com slash Allie for that subscription.

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00:14:30.540 Okay, let's pull up this picture of Elisa Childers, please.

00:14:33.840 It's full screen for.

00:14:35.380 And like this picture, you know the star eye emoji?

00:14:38.900 That's how I feel when I see this picture.

00:14:41.240 I mean, all the speakers, so beautiful.

00:14:43.620 And again, the photos were just amazing.

00:14:45.640 I love this picture of Elisa so much because she is such a joyful warrior.

00:14:50.980 And she made all of you laugh that just like she did last year.

00:14:54.320 She's so dynamic and charming.

00:14:55.660 And you don't even realize until after she's done that she just like gave you the most hard-hitting truths.

00:15:01.760 Like the toughest truth that you need to hear.

00:15:04.360 Like the epitome of truth and love.

00:15:06.840 Also truth and charm.

00:15:08.100 And like the best way.

00:15:09.780 Love her so much.

00:15:10.780 And I just want to play you this clip from her speech, which I thought was great.

00:15:14.060 Saw it too.

00:15:15.940 And you know, after Charlie was murdered, the Lord convicted my heart.

00:15:21.180 You know, people say, you're so bold.

00:15:23.240 And I just wanted to hang my head in shame and say, no, I'm not.

00:15:26.140 No, I haven't been.

00:15:27.920 There have been times when I've held back out of fear of man.

00:15:31.100 There have been times when I censored myself because I thought, well, if I say something too strong about this, then this group won't really want to have me around.

00:15:40.840 And if I don't kind of toe the line on this.

00:15:44.300 And I repented of that nonsense.

00:15:47.100 I was so convicted.

00:15:48.520 And I realized that the main thing I needed to repent of was fear of man, which is the opposite of the fear of the Lord.

00:15:57.640 Isn't that so comforting?

00:16:00.920 Because Elisa is bold and she's been bold for a long time.

00:16:04.420 And to hear from an apologist like her that she's had to repent recently of the fear of man.

00:16:09.920 What a good check for all of us.

00:16:11.840 For myself, for every one of us in our different sphere of life.

00:16:15.540 You might not be called to have a platform, but you are called to be bold for the gospel.

00:16:21.620 Stay at home mom, employee, grandmother, student.

00:16:26.320 All of us are called to take risks for the gospel.

00:16:28.740 And that might look different depending on our season and station in life.

00:16:32.080 And all of us have to repent of the idolatry of the fear of man.

00:16:36.080 So I was convicted about that.

00:16:37.920 And it was so good.

00:16:39.140 We had a motherhood panel with Abby Halberstadt and Hilary Morgan Ferrer, two beautiful women.

00:16:44.360 What was amazing, and this was really important for me, is that Abby is a mom of 10 and Hilary is not a mother.

00:16:50.520 She's not able to have children.

00:16:52.020 She wasn't able to adopt children either because of her history with cancer.

00:16:55.320 And yet she has taken on the role of mentoring the next generation by teaching them apologetics that apply to how we raise kids.

00:17:04.440 And, you know, as we talked about there, whether or not you are a mother, whether or not you will ever be a mother,

00:17:09.380 your motherhood instincts and your calling to shape the next generation should not be channeled into your pet, into your profession, into plants, or primarily into politics, but into people.

00:17:23.140 All of us are called to do that.

00:17:24.680 So I wanted to get those two different perspectives.

00:17:26.460 And I talked to one of the attendees there who said that something that Abby said just about showing grace to your kids and being patient to her kids just immediately made her burst into tears.

00:17:35.740 Again, love how the Holy Spirit worked.

00:17:37.840 Now, someone I keep getting talked to about over and over again is Katie Faust.

00:17:42.180 And y'all, if you haven't watched her on my show, I told you, like, duh, Katie Faust is so sharp and she is so clear.

00:17:53.720 And some of you out there had not heard of her before Share the Arrows and she rocked your world because, duh, that's just what she does.

00:18:01.260 Here's top three.

00:18:01.780 It's actually a physical depiction of the differences between mothers and fathers because if this was a conference of men, right, they might bounce every now and then, but they'd also be tossing, right, they'd be swinging, they'd be twirling, okay?

00:18:16.300 That's what men do.

00:18:17.320 That's what men do to babies.

00:18:18.480 Even when children are young, they've got one parent that is saying secure and attach, and they have another parent that is conditioning the child to go out into the wide world and achieve and conquer and push.

00:18:32.400 So good.

00:18:33.520 So powerful.

00:18:35.080 I want you to subscribe to the Blaze and watch Share the Arrows, like, just for her speech alone.

00:18:40.540 Amazing.

00:18:41.760 So we had apologetics and repudiation of feminism in the new age with Elisa.

00:18:47.980 We had child-first worldview and child-centered politics with Katie Faust.

00:18:52.940 We had motherhood, an incredible motherhood panel.

00:18:55.560 Then we had a health-centered panel with Shauna Holman and Taylor Dukes, two people who are amazing.

00:19:00.500 And they've been on this podcast before.

00:19:02.500 And that was just, like, so fun.

00:19:04.440 And, y'all, we even went into vaccines.

00:19:06.780 Yes, we talked about vaccines.

00:19:08.120 Like, how many Christian women's conferences do you know, theological women's conferences do you know, that will broach that topic?

00:19:15.180 And we did.

00:19:15.680 And then, as I mentioned earlier, we had Ginger Volo.

00:19:18.380 She talked about her journey from a fear-based upbringing in some ways.

00:19:22.660 Of course, she honored her parents so well and how she talks about this and escaping legalism and people-pleasing.

00:19:28.720 And then I had the honor of not only opening the conference, but also ending the conference.

00:19:34.260 And I wanted to end it with just a call to be brave.

00:19:37.140 We've heard so much today.

00:19:38.360 So how do we apply that?

00:19:40.280 And so I did a speech called Seven Reasons to Be Brave.

00:19:44.500 And this is part of that, top four.

00:19:46.420 When it seems like every day Satan has gained a little ground, like he's made another counterclaim, like darkness has gotten a little bit stronger, we have to remember this gospel and we have to remember this truth that Jesus is king.

00:20:05.360 And that one day he will rule in perfect peace and there will be no more sickness, there will be no more sadness, there will be no more sin, there will be no more assassination, no more martyrdom, no more confusion or depravity or chaos, and we will live with him forever.

00:20:29.620 And I told a story, and I'll share it on social media once I get the clip, but I told a story at the beginning of that speech about my grandmother who died five years ago, just a few days ago, who lived with me until I was 13, and how she sang to me growing up, this is my father's world, which is, you know, is a hymn that I reference all the time that we will always sing, share the arrows and have for the past two years.

00:20:53.900 And that was her favorite hymn, and she sang it to me, rocking me growing up, and I didn't know that, I didn't remember that, it was my mom, who last year reminded me of that, that my mom would sometimes go into my grandma's room past my bedtime and she would see me having snuck down there and being rocked by my grandma and my grandma singing to me, this is my father's world.

00:21:18.080 And it was just a reminder to me that the seeds that we plant in our children, in our grandchildren, in our students, with our friends, with the people that we interact with, we may not even live to see how those seeds take root and blossom, because that's up to God.

00:21:34.580 And yet, God is doing something with them, with every act of obedience, with every hymn sung to your child, every devotional read, every time you pray for them or pray with them, every time you share the gospel, every bit of discipleship in your life, in and outside of your home, God does something with it.

00:21:54.020 And it might not come to fruition for another 50 years, and we won't get to see the fullness of the tapestry of the testimonies in which our lives have been intertwined until the other side of glory, but take heart, God is doing something with your obedience, and I'm so thankful for that.

00:22:10.560 Oh, I also want to make sure that I mentioned our Share the Arrows Award winner, which was Jessica Bates.

00:22:16.940 Here she is right here.

00:22:18.160 She's amazing, and she is a mom of five who tried to adopt in Oregon a few years ago, and she was denied by the state of Oregon because she wouldn't sign a statement saying, yeah, I'll support the gender transition of a potential foster child that I take in.

00:22:34.980 And she has fought with the help of Alliance Defending Freedom, and for now, she can advance in the adoption process.

00:22:39.920 She is also—she's a widow, and so she is motivated by God to care for these children, and the progressive regime tried to stop her, and I just wanted all of us to share her arrows.

00:22:52.140 So I'm so thankful for her humility and her obedience to God.

00:22:55.800 It's an example to all of us.

00:22:57.120 So that was this year's award winner.

00:22:59.320 Well, it was really amazing to see just, like, the impact that it had not just at the conference itself, but also in the media.

00:23:06.480 That doesn't happen every day where something Christian and conservative is covered at all, but certainly covered in any positive way, and so praise the Lord for that.

00:23:15.640 Let me go ahead and pause, though.

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00:24:39.660 Okay, I promise we're about to get into Jubilee because that's why a lot of you are here, probably for the first time ever.

00:24:51.040 So welcome.

00:24:51.660 And I know you want me to talk a little bit more about that, and I will.

00:24:57.040 But I thought this was cool.

00:24:58.500 Well, my parents, they picked up a copy the day after Share the Arrows of the Dallas Morning News.

00:25:05.720 This is full screen nine.

00:25:07.300 And so this is a picture of me reading an article about our conference in the Dallas Morning News, not on the front page, but on the other side of the front page.

00:25:20.120 And it was funny because the front page was actually something about transgenderism, but you know what?

00:25:26.900 On the inside, it was a testimony about a Christian conference.

00:25:30.460 Now, they didn't highlight all of the gospel-centered things that happened there.

00:25:35.520 They highlighted Charlie Kirk.

00:25:36.960 I think that was what a lot of media was interested in, which makes sense.

00:25:41.980 I mean, Charlie Kirk is a huge deal.

00:25:43.460 So, and so, but it was really cool to get to see that.

00:25:47.620 And yeah, we see the headline online, thousands of conservative Christian women gather in Allen, Texas, honoring Charlie Kirk.

00:25:55.360 And then we had this story get picked up.

00:25:59.220 Originally, it was by Religion News Service, but then it was picked up by the Washington Post.

00:26:05.080 Here, you see it picked up by the Associated Press.

00:26:07.240 In Dallas, 6,700 women rally for culture war battles after Kirk's death.

00:26:15.380 And so, and that, you know, it was interesting.

00:26:17.780 This is kind of like what the media does.

00:26:20.660 I was very, you know, I was busy, obviously, on the day of Share the Arrows.

00:26:25.820 And I was very selective about the reporters that I talked to.

00:26:29.020 And I talked to this person, Catherine Post.

00:26:33.120 And it was a pleasant conversation and everything.

00:26:34.820 She seems like a very pleasant person.

00:26:36.200 But it was interesting to see what the article highlighted, which was also picked up by NPR.

00:26:41.780 And it was clear that the message that was trying to be conveyed is that we are, we're fighting.

00:26:50.140 Like, this is a battle.

00:26:51.380 This is a war.

00:26:52.500 Which is what I said.

00:26:54.680 I did say welcome to the fight.

00:26:56.580 But, of course, I immediately specified the fight that I'm talking about is not a fight that's on a battlefield.

00:27:02.140 It's not even a fight that's primarily about political battles or a culture war.

00:27:07.300 Like, this is a spiritual battle to which all Christians are called, no matter what station of life you're in.

00:27:14.060 And it is fought by declaring that Jesus is king over every single part of our lives and realizing that the king of kings cannot be compartmentalized.

00:27:23.320 And, of course, we learned about the gospel and theology and apologetics and motherhood and all of these, like, beautiful things that apply to every single Christian woman.

00:27:32.760 But what was highlighted throughout this article was that we are culture warriors, that we're going into the battle, that we're fighting, which you know that I'm not against that in certain ways.

00:27:43.000 Like, in a peaceful and persuasive way, Christians are called to infuse goodness into politics and governments and culture.

00:27:49.660 You guys know that.

00:27:50.440 I've been talking about that for years.

00:27:51.800 But they certainly wanted to make it seem like this was just a culture war conference that were a bunch of warriors.

00:27:57.920 And you can tell Christian nationalists was on the tip of their tongue.

00:28:01.940 They were like, I want to say Christian nationalists, but I'm not going to because that might just be a little bit too dishonest.

00:28:08.280 But that's certainly, like, the narrative that was being pushed.

00:28:11.260 And I say, you know what?

00:28:12.260 Whatever.

00:28:13.020 It's okay.

00:28:13.740 Like, it's fine.

00:28:15.040 God is doing what he wants to do.

00:28:16.700 And it's not that I'm never going to, you know, trust the mainstream media to be able to properly harness, like, what spiritually is going on there.

00:28:25.740 We had also the Wall Street Journal there.

00:28:28.640 We had the New York Times there.

00:28:30.420 And we had the Free Press there.

00:28:32.220 So we'll see what comes out of that.

00:28:34.720 But you know what?

00:28:35.640 The Word of God does not return void.

00:28:37.140 And even if there are depictions of Share the Arrows or me or us that is not completely accurate, like, I think that we should just be praising the Lord because you never know, like, what he's going to accomplish through that.

00:28:54.160 And I got to grab my phone because I forgot—where is my phone?

00:28:57.380 Okay.

00:28:57.960 Story of my life.

00:28:58.820 I forgot that I was going to read you some of these sweet messages that I got from some of you.

00:29:04.620 And I knew that when I asked for testimonies from Share the Arrows that I was going to get a million messages and I wasn't going to be able to go through them all.

00:29:11.300 But I just wanted to encourage you that, like, you were a part of this.

00:29:14.880 And if you prayed for this, that you were a part of this.

00:29:18.700 So let me just read you a couple messages that I got.

00:29:21.560 This person said,

00:29:22.540 It truly felt like a glimpse of heaven.

00:29:24.240 Being surrounded by so many like-minded women was completely surreal.

00:29:27.060 Everywhere I went, whether in the bathroom in line for food or just walking through the crowd, there was kindness.

00:29:31.500 Genuine, joy-filled, funny women who made connection feel effortless.

00:29:34.920 I mean, y'all are the best.

00:29:36.300 It was a breath of fresh air that reminded me that even when the world feels heavy and dark, I'm not as alone as it sometimes seems.

00:29:43.160 There are more of us out there, women who love Jesus, who hold the truth, who want to live with grace and conviction.

00:29:47.820 That realization filled me with so much hope.

00:29:52.020 One person said,

00:29:52.860 Share the Arrows shook me out of my slumber.

00:29:55.200 It opened my eyes to ways that I have been apathetic, scared, and numb.

00:30:00.340 I can be bold and courageous in my sphere of influence with my husband, children, parents, siblings, friends, neighbors.

00:30:05.560 Share the Arrows pointed to the incredible goodness of the Lord.

00:30:07.960 Is he worthy?

00:30:09.300 He is.

00:30:09.960 And then another woman told a really difficult story of how she lost her baby.

00:30:14.680 And she realized when she was at Share the Arrows that she's been holding on to just anger and fear and distrust of the Lord.

00:30:22.420 But she said,

00:30:23.400 I desperately want my daughter to grow up loving the Lord.

00:30:25.420 She has another baby now.

00:30:27.020 And she said,

00:30:27.320 Share the Arrows helped me see the type of mom I know I can be.

00:30:31.040 Another fun message from someone said that she went last year with her friend.

00:30:36.000 And then her friend, then being around so many babies, y'all, thousands of babies, they got baby fever.

00:30:42.380 This woman got baby fever.

00:30:43.600 And when she came back the next year, she had a two-month-old.

00:30:45.840 So, I mean, she went home and she was like, we're going to get pregnant.

00:30:49.620 And so that's my warning.

00:30:51.380 I know you've seen some other criticisms of women leading women out there and like women's conferences.

00:30:58.980 And because apparently adding to scripture is okay as long as you're criticizing Christian women.

00:31:06.500 But that's my biggest warning.

00:31:08.240 That is my biggest warning about Share the Arrows is that if you attend Share the Arrows, you will have baby fever.

00:31:14.900 And you might think that you're done adding to your family, but you will come to Share the Arrows and you will see the cacophony of children there.

00:31:21.320 And you will be like, what's one more?

00:31:24.880 What's one more?

00:31:25.580 Well, also remembering this is a conference for every Christian woman, no matter what stage of life you're in.

00:31:31.480 I got another sweet message from someone who said that she's been struggling with infertility for years.

00:31:35.440 And she came to Share the Arrows and felt just as much a part of it and just as much loved and cared for and stewarded as anyone else.

00:31:43.380 And that's really important to me.

00:31:45.240 All right, y'all.

00:31:46.380 Thank you so much for Share the Arrows and for everyone who attended and prayed for it.

00:31:49.660 Let's get into Jubilee.

00:31:52.900 Jubilee.

00:31:53.300 Okay.

00:31:53.980 Okay, so Jubilee, if you don't know, and we can put up like the thumbnail of what it is.

00:32:00.980 This is, Jubilee is a YouTube media company.

00:32:05.700 They do all different kinds of, all different kinds of content and videos that's supposed to foster dialogue and human connection and things like that.

00:32:13.480 And the premise of it is that you've got one person in the middle that has a particular perspective and you've got 20 to 25 people surrounding you that is their, the opposing perspective.

00:32:22.520 So Charlie Kirk, Ben Shapiro, Michael Knowles, Jordan Peterson, Candace Owens, all of these people.

00:32:27.680 Lila Rose have done Jubilee and they've had their own particular, I think Charlie was one conservative versus 20 college liberals.

00:32:41.320 Lila, of course, was like one pro-lifer against 20 pro-abortion.

00:32:45.680 And mine was one conservative Christian versus 20 liberal Christians, which was super fun.

00:32:52.880 And exactly my niche of things that I talk about.

00:32:57.780 But I was nervous about this, y'all.

00:33:00.400 I've never done anything like this before.

00:33:02.200 And you guys, I don't do a ton of debates.

00:33:04.160 Like, I didn't do debate in college.

00:33:06.220 I didn't do debate in high school.

00:33:07.740 I do some.

00:33:09.200 But I've never been in a situation like that.

00:33:11.880 Whereas I would say someone like Ben Shapiro and Lila and Charlie, they do debates publicly a lot more often than I do.

00:33:21.660 And I knew it was intense.

00:33:23.120 And the reason I knew it was going to be intense is because Charlie, who was an incredible debater, told me that it was going to be really difficult.

00:33:30.560 So I'll put up the taxes, full screen 12.

00:33:34.580 I texted him.

00:33:36.100 I was on his show a few weeks before he died, a couple weeks before he died, actually.

00:33:42.240 Nope, this is September 2nd.

00:33:43.340 So literally just a week before he was murdered.

00:33:47.840 And I told him, I'm going to be on Jubilee.

00:33:50.120 And he was so excited for me.

00:33:52.000 He was so pumped for me.

00:33:53.620 And he texted me again a few days later.

00:33:56.060 And I won't read the whole thing.

00:33:57.580 But if you're watching on YouTube, you can see, because I told him, you know, what the subjects were going to be.

00:34:02.520 And he said, for your Jubilee thing, it's really important to make sure to say, is that biblical?

00:34:08.440 What's your standard?

00:34:09.400 There's a difference between describing and prescribing in the Old Testament.

00:34:13.480 And then he goes on to explain that.

00:34:16.160 And this particular text, he sends like 20 texts in a row.

00:34:19.560 But this particular text is just so sweet.

00:34:21.640 And the kind of friend he was to so many people.

00:34:23.420 He said, anyway, been thinking and praying a lot for this moment for you.

00:34:27.380 And how amazing that this person who had so much influence on the top world leaders and was so busy with so many things that he would take the time to pray for me.

00:34:37.300 Just one of the hundreds of friends that he had and to tell me that he prayed for me.

00:34:41.760 And then he went on to give me some tips.

00:34:45.340 He said, and we actually don't have, I guess I didn't send all of the screenshots.

00:34:52.680 I only have two here, but there were three.

00:34:54.560 He is telling me, best two questions to always ask, basically, like, where did you get that from?

00:35:00.100 Where is that in the Bible?

00:35:01.140 He says, you should debate on your terms.

00:35:03.940 He said that it's a lot.

00:35:05.920 You got to take breaks.

00:35:08.180 Always ask their name.

00:35:09.840 And then he said, anytime you want to do a call, I can download you exactly how they will attack you on this.

00:35:15.500 And we never did that call.

00:35:17.380 But these texts really helped me.

00:35:20.320 And after Charlie was murdered, I really wanted to cancel this debate.

00:35:24.020 The last place I wanted to be was in a circle surrounded by a bunch of liberals.

00:35:27.900 It just seemed dangerous.

00:35:29.200 And yet, I remembered that this was the last real conversation that we had.

00:35:36.600 And I knew that he would tell me, as we've said many times over the past month, keep slugging, keep going.

00:35:42.700 I knew that he would want me to do that.

00:35:45.680 And I really applied his wisdom there.

00:35:50.740 But not only that, I reached out to a lot of smart people.

00:35:53.520 I talked to Frank Turek on the phone the night before this debate, who also was a mentor to Charlie.

00:35:58.280 I did a Zoom call with Elisa Childers and Natasha Crane, two incredible apologists, who helped me and gave me some tips on this.

00:36:07.540 We went through my claims.

00:36:09.460 And they walked me through this.

00:36:10.940 Chief Related Bro and I did a mock debate, which is actually, it was super helpful.

00:36:16.340 It's just impromptu.

00:36:17.680 But it really helped me feel what it was going to be like.

00:36:22.920 Very thankful for our security.

00:36:24.840 Our security was top-notch, incredible that day.

00:36:28.280 But I also just want to thank, in addition to all of these people, like, I want to thank the people who were there.

00:36:36.340 Because not just the producers, but the, I don't even want to say opponents, but the participants who were there.

00:36:43.220 Because it was not what I thought it was going to be.

00:36:45.680 Like, if you go back and you watch Charlie's debate, they were vicious.

00:36:50.220 They were cruel and so hostile.

00:36:53.140 Personal insults.

00:36:55.020 The anger, the vitriol.

00:36:56.580 Same thing with Lylas.

00:36:58.060 And I anticipated that this would be the same.

00:37:00.780 I know that it's 20 liberal Christians.

00:37:03.360 But as I've told you, like, liberalism and Christianity are very, very at odds.

00:37:08.040 And so I knew there were going to be people in that room that could be very hostile.

00:37:12.000 So I was expecting the worst.

00:37:13.880 Because I've also seen what people who identify as liberal Christians, how they talk about me online.

00:37:21.180 I've gotten messages from them.

00:37:23.200 I see what they say.

00:37:24.720 And it is no different than any, like, atheist.

00:37:28.460 I mean, the worst names, the cruelest stuff, the threats.

00:37:31.760 And so I was kind of anticipating that.

00:37:33.640 And when you walk into this space, it is hot.

00:37:37.460 It is in a warehouse with no air conditioning.

00:37:39.300 So a lot of people watch this debate.

00:37:40.980 And they're like, oh, my gosh, you're sweating so much.

00:37:44.260 And I'm like, yeah, because we had to stop every couple minutes.

00:37:48.220 And we had to put the air, like, we had to put this fan on so people weren't dying.

00:37:52.740 I don't know if they do that on purpose.

00:37:53.940 I don't know if it's just cost effective.

00:37:56.580 But it's a lot.

00:37:57.500 And everyone is really intense.

00:37:59.240 And they're not smiling.

00:38:00.620 And I made it my aim.

00:38:01.800 And I said, and I told people this, I said, I'm going to out-compassion them.

00:38:05.900 And I'm going to out-love them.

00:38:07.560 And I'm going to out-kindness them.

00:38:09.660 And we'll see how it goes.

00:38:11.760 But the truth is, they, for the most part, not everyone, but they did that to me, too.

00:38:17.560 I wanted to disarm them with kindness because a kind word turns away wrath.

00:38:21.840 But truly, they did that to me, too.

00:38:24.560 The first participant named Gilbert, such a sweet person, he sat across from me, and he said, I was completely not expecting this.

00:38:36.420 And he said, I'm so sorry about your friend Charlie.

00:38:39.400 Oh, man, this was the day before Charlie's memorial, okay?

00:38:45.420 And so, and I was running on very little sleep.

00:38:48.040 I woke up at 2.50 that morning.

00:38:50.360 Chief Related Bro and I had a crazy weekend of so many different obligations.

00:38:53.820 And I was not feeling my best.

00:38:56.720 But he sat down and said that.

00:38:58.500 And to me, the tension melted and dissipated.

00:39:02.080 Like, I was already, like, trying to charm them in a lot of ways, genuinely.

00:39:07.600 But when they sat down and said that, and four or five people said that, actually, when they sat down, that changed the tone.

00:39:14.420 It really changed the tone.

00:39:16.720 And so I'm going to go through some of my clips because I want to give you tips on, like, yes, how to debate in your everyday life.

00:39:25.160 And if any of you out there are ever on Jubilee, like, I will give you a different set of tips because that's special.

00:39:30.600 But the tips that I have, you can apply, I think, to any conversation that you have when you are trying to win someone over or when you're just trying to plant a seed.

00:39:44.360 Because that's one thing I will say that I, the mentality that I had going in, and I've seen people note this, and it's true.

00:39:49.880 I was not trying to go viral.

00:39:52.380 I was not trying to get the best clip out.

00:39:54.920 I was trying to connect and persuade the person across from me.

00:39:59.080 I love persuading people.

00:40:00.900 I love it.

00:40:01.600 I've loved it my whole life.

00:40:03.180 In second grade, I got the persuasiveness award.

00:40:05.840 Why was that an award?

00:40:07.400 I don't know.

00:40:08.160 People gave it, like, character.

00:40:09.780 Everyone got character quality awards in second grade.

00:40:12.100 And everyone else got a fruit of the spirit.

00:40:13.780 And I got persuasiveness.

00:40:15.660 So I've just genuinely always loved that.

00:40:19.460 And so that was my goal.

00:40:21.060 It was not to own them or destroy them.

00:40:24.280 It was to try to persuade them.

00:40:26.840 And I was thinking of you guys.

00:40:28.700 And I wanted to represent you guys really well.

00:40:30.840 And I wanted to persuade people out in the audience.

00:40:32.800 So that's what I'll say.

00:40:33.720 So let me go through some tips that I have that will be really helpful to you.

00:40:38.460 But let me pause.

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00:42:19.140 So here are the tips that I have.

00:42:21.060 Let's see how many do I have.

00:42:22.020 One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine.

00:42:27.700 But they're really quick, okay?

00:42:29.200 They're like 30-second clips and just a really quick explanation.

00:42:33.340 Okay.

00:42:33.620 So take notes here.

00:42:36.260 Here is my tip when you're debating.

00:42:37.860 Number one, connection without compromise.

00:42:41.100 Connecting to them in a human and genuine way without conceding to their argument.

00:42:49.760 Here's top five.

00:42:51.360 Do you believe that gay people are supposed to be celibate?

00:42:54.660 Do you think that they should be called to celibacy?

00:42:56.080 I think that we are all called to deny what the Bible calls sin.

00:43:00.200 And that looks different for everyone.

00:43:02.500 And I know that that is difficult to hear.

00:43:05.780 I've talked to a lot of people that have heard that and it's difficult to hear.

00:43:10.100 But all of us, every single Christian, in one way or another, is called to take up our cross,

00:43:15.040 to deny our flesh, and to follow Christ.

00:43:17.180 We're to repudiate all forms of sexual immorality.

00:43:19.940 Not just homosexuality, but all forms of sexual immorality that goes for all of us.

00:43:24.240 Look, it's really tough when you're sitting across from someone and he had just gotten

00:43:29.360 finished.

00:43:29.620 I can't play you the entirety of these exchanges.

00:43:32.320 You can go watch the full thing.

00:43:34.260 He had just got finished telling me a little bit about his story and about who he feels

00:43:39.740 that he is and what he feels his identity is and how he wants to follow the different

00:43:45.840 rules surrounding sex and marriage.

00:43:48.740 But he just wants to be married to a man.

00:43:52.100 And when you're sitting across from someone and you feel compassion for them and you can

00:43:55.620 tell they're a sweet, kind person, I think all of our propensity, especially as women,

00:44:00.800 is to, in the name of empathy and connection, just agree with them and just affirm them.

00:44:05.740 And so you can acknowledge, look, this is really difficult to hear, but all of us are called

00:44:09.660 to take up our cross.

00:44:11.180 And so that's what I was trying to do there.

00:44:13.140 I didn't even acknowledge this earlier, and I'm sorry, but this is the biggest person

00:44:18.980 or this is the biggest thank you I have to give, and that is to the Holy Spirit, who

00:44:24.400 was 100% there.

00:44:26.100 I mean, we felt it.

00:44:27.300 I think the producers who were secular progressives in the room, I think they felt it.

00:44:31.280 They actually told me off screen, this is the best Jubilee debate that we've ever had.

00:44:35.360 And I'm telling you, it wasn't because of me.

00:44:37.940 It wasn't even just because of these awesome participants.

00:44:40.880 The Holy Spirit was there.

00:44:42.040 We all felt it 100%.

00:44:44.660 Praise God for that.

00:44:46.380 Okay, so number one, connection without compromise.

00:44:49.160 Number two, define your terms.

00:44:50.900 How many times have you heard me say that, especially since 2020?

00:44:55.080 Here's thought six.

00:44:56.460 If it's okay with you, I'd like to start with a couple yes or no questions, and then I'd

00:45:00.360 like to hear your response fully without interruption.

00:45:02.340 Okay, can I define our terms first, and then I'll let you go and I won't interrupt you.

00:45:06.440 Absolutely.

00:45:06.740 Okay, so because these terms are so contentious, I just want to make sure that we agree.

00:45:10.960 So abortion, the intentional killing of a human being in the womb.

00:45:15.440 Can we agree on that?

00:45:16.680 I don't agree that abortion is murder.

00:45:18.820 I said killing.

00:45:19.800 Can we agree on that?

00:45:21.000 I believe that it is killing life in the womb.

00:45:23.440 Killing what species of life?

00:45:25.640 A human.

00:45:26.260 A human.

00:45:26.800 Okay, so we can agree that abortion is the intentional killing of a human inside the womb.

00:45:30.920 Um, grave, just obviously, I mean, serious, moral, right versus wrong, evil, bad, wrong,

00:45:37.540 sinful.

00:45:37.940 So I believe that the intentional killing of an innocent human being is evil.

00:45:42.320 Do you agree?

00:45:43.400 No.

00:45:45.200 Okay, honestly, like I will say, I, we could have just ended the debate right there.

00:45:50.200 That segment could have ended.

00:45:51.640 You can actually, like, make your point.

00:45:54.720 I don't want to say win a debate because not every one of you is trying to win, although

00:45:58.620 that's what this was in a lot of ways.

00:46:01.520 Um, like by just defining your terms, that is so important when you are talking to your

00:46:07.220 friends and you don't have to say, let's define our terms, but what do you mean by that?

00:46:10.960 And I want you to notice something else right there is that, um, you can see in this larger

00:46:15.880 one that he really wanted to control that conversation.

00:46:18.120 He came up and he said, I want to, I want you to say yes or no.

00:46:21.800 And if you watch that longer clip, I'd never just said yes or no.

00:46:25.160 Like I always gave my explanation because he was not in charge and I wanted to make sure

00:46:30.400 that I was defining the terms that I wanted to define the parameters of our exchange.

00:46:35.400 Now I let him talk and I let him get his argument out and I posted this on Instagram.

00:46:39.480 You can go see how that, uh, clip ended up.

00:46:42.840 But from the very beginning, before I let him keep going, I wanted to define the terms.

00:46:47.020 Just remember that, especially if you're in a formal debate setting, that is one thing that

00:46:50.640 I really apply that Charlie told me is that they're not in charge.

00:46:55.020 You can be in charge and you can do that in a gracious way and an assertive way.

00:46:58.580 They are not setting the rules.

00:46:59.940 You are setting the rules.

00:47:01.200 So define terms.

00:47:03.020 That is so important from the very beginning.

00:47:06.060 And I intentionally tried to define my terms in a way that I thought that they would or

00:47:11.240 had to agree with.

00:47:12.520 Actually, I was very surprised, pleasantly surprised that when it got to the last claim that Christianity

00:47:18.380 and progressivism are at odds, I had to come up with a definition of progressivism.

00:47:22.860 And I consulted all kinds of like different sources to try to come up with one.

00:47:26.360 And finally, I just came up with what I think from a progressive perspective, progressivism

00:47:30.440 means.

00:47:31.160 And every single progressive that came up agreed with my definition of progressivism, which

00:47:35.780 is that human morality evolves with time and culture.

00:47:38.760 And so that was super helpful.

00:47:40.440 Really helpful if you can get on the same page there.

00:47:43.260 Okay.

00:47:43.400 So connection without compromise, define your terms.

00:47:46.260 Number three, always go back to your claim.

00:47:49.760 Here is thought seven.

00:47:51.020 When Adam and Eve sinned, what's the first act God did?

00:47:55.260 After the curse, empathy, he gave them clothes.

00:47:58.320 He covered their nakedness.

00:47:59.560 It's not necessarily empathy.

00:48:01.140 You're reading empathy into the text.

00:48:03.120 It's not necessarily there.

00:48:04.880 He could have kept them in their naked state.

00:48:05.660 Let's go back to my claim.

00:48:06.880 He could have kept them there.

00:48:07.400 Let's go back to my claim and see if you agree with it.

00:48:10.040 Empathy can be toxic and lead to sin.

00:48:13.400 No, I'm getting us back to the claim because we've got off the reservation now.

00:48:16.920 Empathy can be toxic and lead to sin.

00:48:18.860 Do you think it's possible to feel so deeply how someone feels that you can end up affirming

00:48:23.320 something bad and wrong and harmful and sinful in their life?

00:48:26.400 That is my claim.

00:48:27.760 Well, do you think it's possible?

00:48:29.260 Well, anything's possible.

00:48:32.500 I thought he did like a really good job.

00:48:35.040 I saw some people in the comments like mad that I told them good job.

00:48:39.260 I wasn't saying that the substance of their argument was good, but some people held their

00:48:43.120 own and they actually didn't show you all of the participants.

00:48:46.440 Not all the participants were included in this debate because some of the participants

00:48:49.800 did not hold their own.

00:48:51.120 They just didn't.

00:48:51.820 There was one sweet girl that I ended up, they cut this out because she came up and I

00:48:57.440 ended up making her argument for her because she wasn't saying anything.

00:49:01.240 I was like, well, what you might be saying is this.

00:49:04.740 And Timothy was laughing off to the side because I was literally arguing against myself.

00:49:09.200 And so they didn't even include that.

00:49:10.940 So I did say good job to the people that I really felt like they passionately defended

00:49:18.040 their position, like in a prepared way.

00:49:20.040 I was impressed by that.

00:49:20.980 I was thankful for that.

00:49:21.780 I truly wasn't offended by that.

00:49:23.880 That's another thing is that I really don't get offended by disagreement.

00:49:26.380 And I thought that he put up a really good fight there.

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00:49:34.500 This is my next one.

00:49:35.700 OK, what number are we on?

00:49:36.540 We're on number four.

00:49:38.000 And this is this kind of goes, honestly, with my last one.

00:49:41.080 Always go back to your claim.

00:49:42.160 Don't go down to rabbit trails.

00:49:44.020 Don't follow the red herring.

00:49:45.780 SOT 8.

00:49:46.660 Why do you go so hard for them versus the children that are here that are in so much?

00:49:51.180 Should we not care about murder?

00:49:52.160 No, no, no.

00:49:52.640 That's a red herring.

00:49:53.580 We can talk about what we should do for children outside of the womb.

00:49:55.940 I'm with you on that.

00:49:57.060 We can unite on that.

00:49:58.480 Our desire to help those.

00:49:59.920 But I don't see why your compassion for kids outside of the womb stops just based on a

00:50:05.820 child's location or size or age.

00:50:07.500 Completely different.

00:50:08.260 A group of cells versus a living, breathing human being in front.

00:50:11.200 It's just completely different.

00:50:12.260 It's something that I think we'll agree to disagree on it.

00:50:15.320 It's a human being.

00:50:15.720 And we were all, we're clumps of cells too.

00:50:17.820 And I think it would be wrong to murder you.

00:50:20.700 We are all clumps of cells.

00:50:22.440 And she had just gotten finished.

00:50:24.120 And, you know, I let her make this point that, oh, there are all of these kids in the

00:50:27.940 juvenile delinquent system.

00:50:29.880 And the argument that she was trying to make, which I could have pressed her on this, but

00:50:33.240 I didn't really completely know what she was trying to say.

00:50:36.160 The argument she was trying to make is that their mom should have been able to abort them

00:50:39.420 and we wouldn't have so many problems.

00:50:43.000 I think in the moment, I actually thought that she was saying women in jail need to have

00:50:46.280 abortions.

00:50:46.760 Now I'm realizing she's saying the moms of those criminals should have been able to have

00:50:50.360 abortions.

00:50:51.400 And, you know, she was trying to bring up statistics there, but instead of going down

00:50:56.280 that path, because it's really easy to do, again, allow the other person to like, to give

00:51:02.080 you the rules of where to go.

00:51:03.500 You say, no, no, no, no, no.

00:51:04.720 Let's go back to our claim.

00:51:07.140 This is what I'm saying.

00:51:08.840 Can you agree with that?

00:51:10.420 Keep it simple.

00:51:11.100 Go back to the claim.

00:51:12.200 If you don't know the answer to something, you know, some statistic or something they put

00:51:16.180 out, that is okay.

00:51:17.440 Go back to your claim.

00:51:19.300 Play to your strengths.

00:51:20.360 That's one theme in all of this.

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00:52:38.740 Okay, next one, concede without compromise.

00:52:46.420 So the first one was connect without compromise.

00:52:49.240 And now we are on number five, and that is concede without compromise.

00:52:55.680 And this is kind of like a take one step back so you can take two steps forward, move.

00:53:01.460 Sot nine.

00:53:02.360 The Bible says that marriage is only between one man and one woman.

00:53:07.080 But the Bible says that Lamech took two wives, that Jacob married his first cousins, right?

00:53:13.000 And married, they were sisters as well.

00:53:14.680 And that's where the whole line of Israel comes through, right?

00:53:17.220 So your argument is that they existed, that marriage polygamy existed.

00:53:18.780 No, the Bible doesn't condemn it.

00:53:20.220 Well, the Bible doesn't condemn Jacob's marriages.

00:53:21.940 So when we read the Bible, this is where I'm coming from.

00:53:24.920 But I take your point that maybe I should add a descriptor in there.

00:53:27.700 Yeah.

00:53:27.980 That the Bible says, what I am claiming is that the Bible says that holy marriage, that good

00:53:34.360 marriage, that right marriage, the marriage that God condones and calls holy, is only between

00:53:39.220 one man and one woman.

00:53:41.180 Okay.

00:53:41.780 So that was an example of me saying, okay, I understood then what he was saying.

00:53:47.660 And although I think that it was in bad faith, because obviously what I meant was implied,

00:53:53.900 that holy marriage is only between one man and one woman.

00:53:56.760 I took the opportunity to say, okay, fine, I will caveat what I am saying.

00:54:02.900 Let me add a descriptor there to be even more clear.

00:54:05.840 And that only put me in a better position of strength.

00:54:08.620 So I was able to concede just a tiny bit to actually make my argument even stronger.

00:54:14.480 Again, putting myself back in a position of strength where I knew that I could defend

00:54:19.340 my position because I've thought about it so much.

00:54:21.620 And then, you know, he goes on to say that, like, because I always bring it back to, it's

00:54:28.760 not just creation, although that's important, rooted, you've heard me say this a million

00:54:32.440 times, rooted in creation, reiterated throughout scripture, repeated by Jesus himself, but also

00:54:37.140 representative of Christ and the church.

00:54:39.400 One groom, the bride, or one groom, Christ, and then one bride, the church.

00:54:45.380 And Tim tries to say, well, the church is multiple people.

00:54:48.440 Really?

00:54:49.360 It's one church.

00:54:50.160 It's not churches.

00:54:50.860 It's a collective.

00:54:52.400 It is the bride, not the brides of Christ.

00:54:55.420 Let's go.

00:54:56.040 Come on.

00:54:57.600 So, yeah, I thought that that was very dishonest or maybe just completely misunderstanding the

00:55:02.920 Bible and logic and just not knowing it.

00:55:05.580 But tiny, tiny little concession without compromising at all to put yourself back in a position of

00:55:10.700 strength.

00:55:11.720 And when I conceded, again, I didn't have to actually concede any core of my argument.

00:55:16.720 Okay, next one, number six, get to the core of their logic.

00:55:21.840 And you probably saw me do this in the abortion segment, too.

00:55:24.720 That's, I think, one of the ones that's, like, easiest to do this in.

00:55:28.260 But also, on the last question, that progressivism and Christianity are at odds.

00:55:32.500 So that was my claim.

00:55:33.740 Anyway, I had someone named Colby, who I guess is an author.

00:55:37.040 I didn't realize that he tried to claim that Jesus was a progressive because he brought

00:55:41.840 something different than what the Pharisees were teaching at the time.

00:55:44.920 And so I tried to understand his logic and see if he actually does agree with it.

00:55:49.860 Saten.

00:55:50.440 In his context, Jesus would have been seen as a progressive as it related to, if we're going

00:55:57.580 to use modern labels, the conservative religion of Second Temple Judaism.

00:56:02.160 He had a posture of, look, there are some things that have gone astray.

00:56:05.880 There are some things that you've heard it said, but I say to you.

00:56:09.420 There's a belief, you know, progress is built into progressive.

00:56:12.700 There's a belief that we can do better.

00:56:15.760 Like, things can get better.

00:56:17.840 And so there's a part of Jesus that I see had a posture as, not a progressive, but just

00:56:22.640 as being progressive.

00:56:24.220 So thoughts on that.

00:56:25.360 Okay, so say every single person in this country believed that transgenderism was right,

00:56:32.300 that homosexuality is right, something to be celebrated, believed in gay marriage.

00:56:35.880 Okay, except for this one person.

00:56:37.740 And this one person started saying, nope, we've got it wrong.

00:56:41.420 We need to change what we're doing here.

00:56:44.260 I know that we've been doing this for a hundred years, but I don't agree with this.

00:56:48.460 And I'm going to speak a different message.

00:56:50.160 Would that person be progressive?

00:56:51.320 Yeah, he didn't have a response to that.

00:56:55.300 He said, oh, I didn't hear what you said about Jesus.

00:56:57.640 My point is that just saying something different doesn't make you progressive.

00:57:02.200 And then I go on to explain that, no, no, no, Jesus isn't saying something new.

00:57:06.080 Jesus is God.

00:57:07.060 And so everything that God has said, Jesus has always said.

00:57:09.880 And Jesus was saying, no, you guys have gotten it wrong.

00:57:13.220 What it was always supposed to be was faith.

00:57:16.020 We read that in Hebrews 11, that it was always by faith that people were justified and that

00:57:21.480 always the law was about the heart.

00:57:23.380 The law wasn't just about legalism and what we do on the outside and putting a heavy burden

00:57:28.020 on other people and making ourselves look righteous.

00:57:30.360 It was always about following God with our full heart.

00:57:33.580 And so he wasn't introducing something new and radical there.

00:57:37.560 Okay, so get to the core of their logic.

00:57:39.920 The next one is remain calm, even when the other person isn't.

00:57:45.680 Saw 11.

00:57:46.520 Look at your movement, Allie.

00:57:48.960 The religious right movement started with the Southern strategy and it didn't start with

00:57:54.180 abortion.

00:57:54.760 They figured out abortion was a great issue to raise a lot of money.

00:57:58.420 No, no, no, no.

00:57:58.820 This is your issue.

00:57:59.920 You just brought this issue.

00:58:00.660 My argument is that abortion is a grave moral evil.

00:58:03.800 You say it's not because babies in the womb don't feel pain until a certain point in

00:58:08.140 gestation.

00:58:08.640 And I'm asking you to apply that logic to people outside of the womb.

00:58:12.340 Is murder okay when the victim doesn't feel pain?

00:58:16.220 And why or why not?

00:58:17.320 Here's the issue.

00:58:18.280 You don't want to apply your logic to people outside of the womb.

00:58:21.080 Tell me why.

00:58:23.520 Yeah, so I think that you can match their energy because obviously I was energetic there.

00:58:28.300 I wasn't the same with him as I was with Colby or as I was with Danny or as I was with

00:58:32.060 Gilbert because they were much calmer.

00:58:34.100 This guy was very, he was very agitated and he was very worked up.

00:58:38.340 He looked even more so in person.

00:58:40.960 And so I think you can match their energy without matching their aggression.

00:58:46.740 And that is what was going on here.

00:58:48.980 That segment was also really interesting.

00:58:50.400 So you can go back and watch that.

00:58:52.060 Another thing that I don't have a, I don't have a clip for this, but one thing that I would

00:58:57.000 say is that you don't need to know everything.

00:59:00.100 This was also, this is like such a, like a bob and weave tactic.

00:59:04.440 And I don't mean this in any kind of manipulative way, but sometimes you have to bob and weave

00:59:09.000 because you don't know the answer to something.

00:59:11.660 So it's obviously one against 20.

00:59:14.380 You don't know what all of these people are going to bring up.

00:59:16.600 That's why it's so difficult.

00:59:17.820 I saw some people say, well, this isn't fair.

00:59:19.680 She should go against 20 theologians or 20 scholars.

00:59:21.940 No, that would be completely unfair.

00:59:23.760 It's already unfair to me because it's 20 people, smart people, like people who are influencers

00:59:30.360 and some of them are authors and stuff against one person.

00:59:33.360 So I'm already at a huge disadvantage just being in the center.

00:59:37.940 So no, being against 20 theologians, that doesn't make sense.

00:59:43.600 But these people have things in their pocket that I don't know about.

00:59:47.720 I have no idea who they are before we start.

00:59:50.120 And so there were a couple of things, claims that they made that if I had

00:59:53.360 more time and research, I would probably be able to rebut them.

00:59:57.240 But I didn't.

00:59:58.360 And the last thing you want to do in something like this, when like things are being clipped

01:00:02.280 and people are trying to put out their viral moment, is act like you don't know.

01:00:06.680 And stop and stumble and be quiet and look confused.

01:00:10.120 You don't want to do that.

01:00:11.000 You got to keep it moving.

01:00:12.260 You got to keep it going.

01:00:13.700 And so there were a couple of times when people brought up, do you know what the original

01:00:17.260 Greek word is?

01:00:18.060 Or do you know what the original Hebrew word is?

01:00:20.020 Or someone said, well, what about Exodus 21 and this like obscure law?

01:00:23.940 Doesn't that justify abortion?

01:00:25.140 Doesn't this justify homosexuality?

01:00:27.300 These things that I really hadn't heard of before.

01:00:30.660 And it's okay to say, you don't know, by the way.

01:00:34.440 Someone asked me, do you know the original Greek word and like Romans 1?

01:00:37.900 I didn't.

01:00:38.400 And I said, I don't know.

01:00:39.520 Like, can you tell me that?

01:00:40.920 That's fine.

01:00:41.500 And then again, I was able to take one step back so I could take two steps forward and

01:00:45.200 put myself in the position of strength again.

01:00:46.920 And then it was the same thing with like Exodus 21.

01:00:49.760 I didn't really know.

01:00:50.960 I wasn't super familiar with that passage.

01:00:52.780 If I had been, I probably would have been able to approach it differently.

01:00:55.960 But I got back to the claim that I made.

01:00:57.780 It's okay if you don't know everything.

01:00:59.840 You don't have to know everything.

01:01:00.820 You don't have to let it stump you.

01:01:01.920 Get back to the claim.

01:01:02.900 Get back to the core of the logic.

01:01:04.580 And then you put yourself in that position of being able to continue to metaphorically punch.

01:01:10.740 I mean that in the most peaceful way possible.

01:01:13.180 Okay, last one.

01:01:14.600 Last tip.

01:01:15.100 Uh, know when to let it go.

01:01:19.080 So ask yourself, can you stop right now without completely losing credibility or losing the

01:01:25.880 argument?

01:01:26.560 Here's top 12.

01:01:27.460 To understand where somebody else is coming from.

01:01:29.520 Sure.

01:01:29.780 And to have the love.

01:01:30.880 I believe empathy and love go hand in hand.

01:01:33.020 And I cannot love that person if I cannot try to understand where they are coming from.

01:01:37.280 You can try to understand where they're coming from and still tell them the truth.

01:01:40.340 Do you agree with that?

01:01:41.360 Oh, absolutely.

01:01:42.020 But I guess where we differ on that is kind of where the truth lies.

01:01:45.620 Yes, that is definitely where we differ.

01:01:48.200 Yep.

01:01:48.780 That person was interesting.

01:01:50.020 She goes on to say, well, transgenderism is possible because we have gendered souls in

01:01:54.380 heaven before we come to earth.

01:01:56.180 And I was like, what?

01:01:57.820 Are you a Christian?

01:01:58.940 She's like, yes, I'm a Christian.

01:02:00.240 And then I was like, where did you hear that?

01:02:01.760 I've never heard that before.

01:02:02.580 And she was like, oh, I'm LDS.

01:02:05.560 And then our conversation just ended because, okay, that is different than Christian theology.

01:02:11.660 And like what Christian theology teaches, we don't like pre-exist before we are here

01:02:16.240 on earth.

01:02:18.540 And so, yeah, very interesting.

01:02:20.360 But yes, we definitely disagree on where the truth is.

01:02:23.820 And that was the core of all of our disagreements.

01:02:26.980 Okay.

01:02:27.140 So those are my tips for you.

01:02:29.280 Some other tips that I have just in your everyday life as a friend, as a family member

01:02:34.300 who's trying to plant seeds and trying to persuade, I really encourage you to read the

01:02:39.460 book Tactics by Greg Kokel.

01:02:41.920 So good.

01:02:43.840 Center for Biblical Unity is another great resource for apologetics, especially when it

01:02:48.780 comes to progressive things.

01:02:51.020 Obviously, Elisa Childers' Mama Bear Apologetics.

01:02:53.480 There are a ton of good red pin logic, a ton of good apologetics out there.

01:02:57.860 You could watch Wes Huff interviews, like when he's kind of been in the lion's den and

01:03:01.780 he's been defending.

01:03:03.200 And you just, you don't have to memorize everyone's arguments.

01:03:06.240 Memorize the principles.

01:03:08.160 Memorize the tactics of what they're doing.

01:03:10.540 And remember this, you are not trying to win every argument and every conversation.

01:03:14.520 You are trying to advance the ball down the field a little bit more.

01:03:17.940 You are trying to plant a seed.

01:03:19.380 Remember, this is so important for every sphere of life.

01:03:22.780 You are not the main character.

01:03:24.700 You're not the main character in your own life.

01:03:26.740 You're not the main character in that person's life.

01:03:28.680 You are one of maybe 10,000 people that the Lord is going to use in a person's life to

01:03:33.400 complete their testimony.

01:03:34.880 You are a small part.

01:03:36.180 You are one vessel.

01:03:37.580 You have one role to play.

01:03:39.180 And it's not necessarily to win that argument.

01:03:41.200 It's to plant the seed.

01:03:42.440 You plant the seed.

01:03:43.380 You love them.

01:03:43.900 You plant the seed.

01:03:44.760 You love them.

01:03:45.520 And you don't determine your effectiveness or your obedience by their response to you.

01:03:49.260 You determine your effectiveness and obedience with whether or not you followed the conviction

01:03:53.180 of the Holy Spirit and you aligned with God's word without compromising.

01:03:56.540 And let God take it from there.

01:03:58.140 He's totally sovereign.

01:03:59.580 We could just get to play a part in that.

01:04:03.380 And then I'll talk to you a little bit more about what really prepared me for this moment.

01:04:08.700 And it's not one thing.

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01:05:33.400 So I get questions all the time, not just about this debate, but how do you know scripture?

01:05:38.320 How do you memorize scripture?

01:05:39.380 How do you apply scripture?

01:05:40.680 How do you think on your feet?

01:05:41.740 And things like that.

01:05:42.980 Well, I truly think that anyone with enough practice can be able to get into that position.

01:05:50.820 Look, I am not, I would not consider myself a master apologist.

01:05:54.220 Like I wouldn't even consider myself primarily like a debater.

01:05:58.220 I just wouldn't.

01:05:59.640 But I will say, obviously a lot of it from God is personality.

01:06:04.360 And I've always been this way, like my parents could tell you that I have always thought in

01:06:08.880 if-then statements, like if-then-then-this.

01:06:11.740 And that is how I build my worldview.

01:06:13.240 That's how I understand the Bible.

01:06:14.580 That is how I converse with people.

01:06:15.900 That's how I disagree with people.

01:06:17.320 If this is true, then this can be true, or this must be true, or this can't be true,

01:06:22.140 or this must not be true.

01:06:23.400 Um, that's really how I think about things.

01:06:26.500 And that really, really helps me, um, kind of engage with people and dialogue with people

01:06:32.060 logically.

01:06:33.220 But gosh, the biggest thing, other than just like the Holy Spirit, which none of us can

01:06:37.940 ever take credit for, is my parents giving me this beautiful gift of faith and of reading

01:06:43.340 the Bible.

01:06:44.440 You've heard me talk about Christian education a lot.

01:06:46.780 No education is perfect.

01:06:48.120 I don't think Christian schools are perfect or determinant of a person's effectiveness

01:06:53.460 as a believer or their salvation, but I had 13 years of Christ-centered education.

01:06:58.940 Like I went to church one to three times a week, every week growing up.

01:07:04.040 And for those of my, you know, beloved Catholic listeners out there, you might just not be

01:07:08.540 familiar with the evangelical upbringing in the South.

01:07:11.300 The evangelical upbringing in the South is apologetics in preschool, is evangelism in

01:07:16.960 preschool, is understanding theology and memorizing the Bible in preschool.

01:07:21.380 I mean, every evangelical three-year-old could recite for you John 3, 16.

01:07:26.320 Um, and so that's what it is.

01:07:28.000 Like that is just in the life of the evangelical child and people have all their criticisms

01:07:33.740 of purity culture and Southern Baptist Convention, and maybe some of them are totally

01:07:37.540 legitimate.

01:07:38.400 I'm not saying that, but there was a lot of good to Awana.

01:07:42.020 Okay.

01:07:42.560 Like there was a lot of good to church camp.

01:07:44.780 There was a lot of good to youth group.

01:07:46.500 There was a lot of good to those classes that you had to take at your Christian school or

01:07:51.040 the curriculum that your parents made you learn growing up, the NIV student adventure

01:07:55.380 Bible or whatever it was called.

01:07:58.240 As cheesy as you might've thought those things were, as much as you might not have liked going

01:08:02.900 to church choir growing up, all of those things planted seeds and God uses them for the

01:08:07.660 rest of your life.

01:08:08.380 Remember that not only as an adult yourself, but as a parent, as a parent of toddlers, as a

01:08:13.500 parent of teens, as a parent of adults that you sowed seeds and God is responsible for

01:08:18.100 sowing them.

01:08:18.920 God is responsible for watering them and giving them growth.

01:08:22.100 Again, we're just a small part of it, but that's, that's part of what it was.

01:08:25.980 Part of it is just who God made me to be.

01:08:28.200 Part of it is just what my parents gave me.

01:08:30.900 So zero things I take credit for.

01:08:32.700 And then also what I do on a daily basis.

01:08:34.920 I think people don't realize that.

01:08:36.400 I saw, you know, some critics out there saying, oh, you know, this person should have been

01:08:40.260 in the middle or this person should have been in the middle, but it's not really just about

01:08:43.580 knowledge.

01:08:44.280 Okay.

01:08:44.480 There's millions of people who have more knowledge than I do.

01:08:47.460 It is what I do every day is apologetics.

01:08:51.260 And even though I don't have a person in front of me every day that I'm doing this podcast,

01:08:56.340 and it's not every day, but you know what I mean, is arguing for the faith, is contending

01:09:00.580 for the faith, is contending for what God says about marriage and gender and life.

01:09:05.100 And so because conservatives live in this progressive world, mostly like we are constantly

01:09:11.960 debating, we are constantly saying, this is a lie.

01:09:15.500 And here's why liberals don't have to do that because they see their worldview reflected

01:09:19.780 everywhere.

01:09:20.580 So we are constantly in a state of kind of being low key adversarial, not in a, like a

01:09:27.320 hostile way to individuals, but to ideas.

01:09:29.540 And there's a benefit when you are in the minority and when you don't see a worldview

01:09:35.400 reflected everywhere, you just get tougher.

01:09:37.960 You just get smarter.

01:09:39.280 You just get better at arguments.

01:09:41.720 The Jubilee people will tell you it is extremely difficult for them to get a liberal to sit

01:09:46.520 in the middle.

01:09:47.340 They've gotten a couple, but they try.

01:09:49.740 It is extremely difficult.

01:09:50.980 Whereas all the conservatives, they're like, hey, do you want to go against like 20 smart

01:09:55.220 people who disagree with you?

01:09:56.220 We're like, yeah, sure.

01:09:57.460 I believe in my ideas.

01:09:59.000 I got it.

01:09:59.760 Because we're confident in the truth, by the way.

01:10:02.120 Like we're confident in the truth.

01:10:03.620 And I think some liberals don't even realize that most of what they believe is just propaganda.

01:10:07.880 And they have a very superficial meme level understanding of the world and politics.

01:10:12.460 And they have also believed in this caricature of conservative Christians as being stupid

01:10:17.700 rubes who can't string a sentence together, who just like recite MAGA talking points.

01:10:22.780 And then when they engage with someone and they're like, oh, never heard that before.

01:10:28.980 Never thought about that.

01:10:30.540 And so we have to be as persuasive, but also as engaging, as kind as possible.

01:10:35.400 And one last thing I'll say about tone, because we've talked about this before.

01:10:38.580 We talked about this in the Keller versus Kirk third wayism episode.

01:10:41.580 There's a lot of tone policing out there.

01:10:44.000 Oh, you know, what you say is fine.

01:10:46.180 Or I don't care about what you say.

01:10:47.580 It's how you say it.

01:10:48.880 And tone policing is annoying.

01:10:50.540 Like it's a red herring.

01:10:51.700 It's a way to not deal with the substance of what someone is saying.

01:10:56.000 But at the same time, tone doesn't not matter.

01:10:59.080 Tone does matter.

01:11:00.720 Your disposition matters.

01:11:02.860 The tone of your voice matters.

01:11:04.860 And I do not get that right all the time.

01:11:06.720 You guys know that.

01:11:07.400 There are plenty of times where I have gotten tone wrong.

01:11:11.580 But it's the banana soup versus banana pudding analogy that I came up with that I've told

01:11:18.300 you about.

01:11:18.820 Same ingredients, but the texture is different.

01:11:21.620 And one of them is harder to eat than the other.

01:11:24.260 So you want to make sure the texture of what you're saying matches the content of what you're

01:11:27.840 saying without compromise.

01:11:29.460 Again, while trying to be as persuasive as possible.

01:11:32.920 All right.

01:11:33.180 I know we're kind of over time here, but I just want to respond to this really fast.

01:11:39.300 I just want to respond to something that Trump said.

01:11:41.840 Trump saying on October 12th that he's not sure that he is going to get into heaven.

01:11:46.400 A lot of you have sent me this.

01:11:47.560 So I just want to I just I just want to play it and then tell you what I think.

01:11:52.440 Sot 13.

01:11:53.380 You know, I'm being a little cute.

01:11:55.980 I don't think there's anything going to get me in heaven.

01:11:59.160 OK, I think I think I'm not maybe heaven bound.

01:12:03.480 I may be in heaven right now as we fly an Air Force one.

01:12:06.640 I'm not sure I'm going to be able to make heaven.

01:12:09.280 But I've made life a lot better for a lot of people.

01:12:11.780 And, you know, as an example, had the had the election of 2020 not been rigged, you would

01:12:16.980 have millions of people living just in Russia, Ukraine alone.

01:12:21.640 That would have never happened.

01:12:22.740 And it didn't happen for four years.

01:12:24.420 Honestly, like this is the best that I've seen Trump in a lot of ways.

01:12:29.120 This is the most humble that I've seen Trump.

01:12:32.420 Because he realizes, or at least it seems, I think he's kind of telling a joke, but that,

01:12:38.420 OK, you know, he's done bad things.

01:12:40.620 He's a sinner and that it's too much to get him into heaven.

01:12:43.820 And he's right.

01:12:45.120 And that is right for all of us, by the way.

01:12:47.120 All of us have done too much to get us into heaven.

01:12:49.840 All of us are too sinful to get into heaven because all of us have sinned and fallen short

01:12:53.800 of the glory of God.

01:12:54.920 We are all dead in our sin.

01:12:57.220 President Trump is just as dead in his sin as anyone else apart from Christ.

01:13:02.840 All of us have to be saved by grace through faith.

01:13:07.140 And this is not your own doing, not a result of work so that no one can boast.

01:13:12.500 By grace through faith, which is a gift of God.

01:13:16.200 That's what Ephesians 2 tells us.

01:13:18.960 Salvation is a gift, Mr. President.

01:13:22.100 Faith is a gift, Mr. President.

01:13:25.500 And I just, I pray that God would grant him the faith to believe.

01:13:30.020 He's close.

01:13:31.260 He's there.

01:13:31.760 This is a lot closer than he would be if he said, oh yeah, I'm definitely getting there.

01:13:35.780 I'm definitely going.

01:13:36.620 I've done a lot.

01:13:39.720 Nothing that we do could merit salvation.

01:13:41.740 Christ has done that on our behalf.

01:13:43.840 And that is really, really good news.

01:13:46.180 And I pray, pray, we should all be praying that President Trump, that President Biden,

01:13:51.920 that President Obama, that they would all believe that before they stand the throne of God,

01:13:56.280 which we all will one day.

01:13:57.900 All right.

01:13:58.480 That's all I got time for today.

01:13:59.640 We will be back here on Friday.

01:14:11.740 We will be back here on Friday.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - October 15, 2025

Ep 1254 ｜ Jubilee Reaction： How to Debate 20 Liberal Christians

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