Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1255 ｜ Jihad vs. Jesus： Islam’s Plan to Conquer Christian America

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00:00:30.720 The sword versus the scimitar, the war between Christians and Muslims, has been waging for

00:00:37.420 thousands of years. It is still waging today in ways that you may not realize. Today, we've got

00:00:45.300 Raymond Ibrahim here with us. He is a scholar when it comes to the history of Islam and its battle

00:00:52.500 against the West and specifically against Christianity. Y'all, this is an absolutely

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00:01:35.020 Raymond, thanks so much for taking the time to join us. Could you tell everyone who you are and what

00:01:38.960 you do?

00:01:39.240 Yeah, sure. Thanks, Allie. Thanks for having me. Well, how far back do we go?

00:01:44.720 You can go as far back as you want to. Maybe start reset and then we can back up.

00:01:48.300 Yeah. Well, I'll actually start from the back, but real quick summary. Blitz.

00:01:51.640 Okay, sure.

00:01:52.300 So my family is from Egypt. My mom and father, they're Coptic Christians who came here in the

00:01:56.680 late 60s. I was born here, early 70s, 73 in New Jersey, which at the time when we were born there,

00:02:05.320 there weren't cops or even many Egyptians, but I guess now it's like a little Egyptian town.

00:02:09.800 It's one of the oldest. But anyway, then we moved out to California when I was 12.

00:02:15.980 Moved around. But as far as this field, how I got into all this, obviously, because of my family

00:02:21.120 background, I was interested, especially their Christian background from an Islamic nation,

00:02:27.720 Egypt. Obviously, that kind of created an interest for me right away from early on concerning the nexus of

00:02:34.860 Christianity and Islam. Even as a child, I was interested in that. And so anyway, long story

00:02:41.020 short, I went to Fresno State and got my history degree where Victor Davis Hanson, who everyone

00:02:47.420 seems to know now. It's funny because at the time when I knew him, we're talking like 25 years ago,

00:02:53.100 he was famous at Fresno State, but he was just a classicist, a historian who writes military history,

00:02:59.640 and I took those kinds of courses with him. Anyway, I got my degree in history and I was

00:03:05.400 focusing on Islam and Christianity again, including with languages I was studying, like Greek and Arabic.

00:03:13.680 And so my thesis was actually about the very first military encounter between Islam and Christendom,

00:03:19.920 the most decisive one, which was the Battle of Yarmouk in the year 636. Anyway, then 9-11 happened

00:03:26.480 right around when I was finishing up my thesis.

00:03:29.800 And that's what really piqued my interest originally because I was always just involved in history and

00:03:35.260 philosophy and theology. And I always thought of it as on its own over there. And then what happens

00:03:40.580 in the now, especially because I was still younger and, you know, drinking the Kool-Aid that the media

00:03:45.420 was offering us about Islam. And I just thought it was, you know, it's not what it used to be.

00:03:49.740 And then 9-11 happened. And I started reading what Osama bin Laden was saying in Arabic.

00:03:57.220 And it wasn't what he was saying to Americans. It was very different. It was actually, he was

00:04:02.520 actually quoting oftentimes verbatim the stuff that I was, I was writing in my thesis, which

00:04:07.860 was written hundreds of years ago. And that's how he was thinking. So that immediately piqued

00:04:12.760 my interest, the continuity that actually what I was studying, you know, the Islamic conquests

00:04:18.060 of the 7th century, which are seen as some sort of, you know, esoteric, you know, academic

00:04:23.980 pursuit were actually very much alive for these guys who were declared war on the United States,

00:04:29.700 essentially.

00:04:30.060 And what was that? What was bin Laden saying in Arabic that he wasn't saying in English?

00:04:35.580 Yeah. Okay. So, um, fast forward now after, um, so I write my thesis and 9-11 happens. And then

00:04:42.600 even talking with Victor Davis Hanson, he's like, you should really continue on. And I ended up going

00:04:47.160 to Georgetown University, uh, the center of contemporary Arab studies, which now I understand

00:04:52.600 the political, you know, um, significance of it. And maybe I'll get into that, but I was a naive

00:04:57.900 student at the time anyway. Um, and then I got a job at the library of Congress in the near East

00:05:03.100 section and where I, I was like a kid in a toy store. Cause it was all these books in all these

00:05:08.080 languages and I would peruse through them. And, um, so this is how we get to bin Laden. Then I came

00:05:13.020 across, uh, uh, un, un, un, un, un catalogued writings from the Arab world. Cause the Arab world

00:05:18.480 sent the whole world sends books to the, to the library of Congress, um, writings from Osama bin

00:05:23.920 Laden. And up until then, so what I was reading earlier from the news was Osama bin Laden saying,

00:05:30.240 Hey, we did this to you because you did this to us. This is about reciprocal treatment.

00:05:35.520 You are you've, and his grievance list was just endless. Okay.

00:05:39.920 Well, that was circulating on Tik TOK recently. And there were Americans, college students saying,

00:05:46.820 wow, maybe Osama bin Laden was right. And it was basically that, look, this is the reason we

00:05:51.640 attacked you because of all of this awful stuff that America has done. But you're saying that's

00:05:56.740 not what he was saying in Arabic. No, what, uh, so that's what he was saying. That's what the BBC

00:06:00.500 and CNN and even Fox news were disseminating, which was this grievance mantra. Okay. And it was,

00:06:06.040 it went from everything from, because you support Israel from, because of colonialism, from because

00:06:10.300 of not signing the Kyoto protocol for the environment. It was just like an endless list,

00:06:15.140 right? Which was absurd, but a lot of people were believing it. Okay. It was for the crusades and how

00:06:20.040 you guys did X, Y, and Z then. So now I'm at the library of Congress and I come through all these,

00:06:24.680 uh, Arabic books and I find actual treatises written by Osama bin Laden and Eamon Zawahiri.

00:06:29.900 And now they're talking to Arabs and Muslims in Arabic, and it's a completely different story.

00:06:35.320 Okay. Now it's, they don't mention any grievances. Now it's just what we as Muslims must hate these

00:06:41.180 people because they're kefir, they're infidels. They are enemies, no matter what, even if they're nice

00:06:47.020 to us, we have to hate them. And within all this, of course, it's punctuated by Islamic scriptures

00:06:52.280 validating their arguments, right?

00:06:54.240 This is what you read from sources written by bin Laden in a library of Congress right after 9-11

00:07:00.740 happened?

00:07:01.060 Yeah. This would be, um, uh, probably around 2004. I came across all this.

00:07:07.320 Wow.

00:07:07.780 Um, and then, you know, so long story short, I was taken aback and this is, so when I told you,

00:07:13.580 you know, my eyes were opened at how like they were talking about the past, it was during that time.

00:07:17.360 Okay. When it happened, when I was still writing my thesis, I was just amazed that, uh, you know,

00:07:22.040 just the general jihad mentality thing was still happening. Um, and so anyway, long story short with

00:07:27.980 those writings, um, and we'll, which brings us up to what you're talking about, the TikTok thing

00:07:32.460 is, um, I translated the book. I got a book deal was published by Doubleday in 2007. It's called

00:07:37.860 the Al Qaeda reader. And, um, what I did is I juxtaposed what Al Qaeda had been saying to

00:07:44.140 Westerners directly, which was all just grievances. And, you know, if you leave us alone, we'll leave

00:07:49.740 you alone. And then I put what they were saying to Muslims and it was basically ISIS. Okay. As you

00:07:55.660 know, with ISIS, they're unapologetic about their hatred for infidels. It has ISIS to their credit

00:08:00.880 has gone on record to say, we hate you on principle, not because of what you've done. So at least

00:08:06.900 they're being honest. So they're not using the propaganda. So why is it that Al Qaeda or

00:08:12.500 Bin Laden was using these propagandistic tools that we often see from China, Russia, these other

00:08:17.800 actors that don't like the United States, which is they're like festering and digging into the

00:08:23.780 divisions that we already have. They're appealing to progressives. Maybe sometimes they're appealing

00:08:27.920 to someone else trying to garner sympathy. So why does ISIS not take that approach, but Al Qaeda

00:08:33.880 does? Well, that's actually a good question. So with Al Qaeda, you know, they, they was effective

00:08:38.440 what they were doing because they were addressing the West, like I said, pulling on their heartstrings

00:08:42.620 and making very, yeah, of course, making very, very, very good arguments. So when the TikTok

00:08:46.720 thing came out recently, this was great for me because I managed to write several articles by

00:08:52.080 simply recycling what I had written from 15 years ago and showing how, because they were actually

00:08:56.780 citing the same stuff that I had debunked in the Al Qaeda reader by, because they would take

00:09:01.660 letters where he said, you know, Oh, America did this to us. This is why we're fighting

00:09:05.060 back. And then I had shown how in another letter to Muslims, he said, well, it actually doesn't

00:09:11.380 matter. There are enemies per se. Okay. Right. So they were actually kind of smart. And what

00:09:16.000 they were doing is exploiting the sort of Western guilt, which is at an all time high as usual.

00:09:21.900 It's something no other civilization has for whatever reason. Maybe we'll get into that. Um, whereas

00:09:27.960 ISIS, and that's actually a good question. Why doesn't ISIS do this? And, um, you know,

00:09:32.600 there's a lot of conspiratorial theories as to why, but one of them, um, you know, on the surface

00:09:37.360 would be that they're just, um, they're just, uh, you know, they're, they're not going to play that

00:09:41.760 game. They're proud. We're, we're not going to humor you. We want you to know you're a filthy

00:09:45.400 infidel and we hate your guts and we're not scared of you. Whereas Al Qaeda and other Islamist

00:09:50.300 kind of organizations, you know, it's, it's a little dishonorable what they're doing because

00:09:54.160 they're being two-faced and they get exposed as I had exposed them at the time. So, and,

00:09:59.520 but still, you still have both elements. A lot of, I would say the vast majority of Islamist type

00:10:04.540 organizations and individuals still play the guilt card, um, with your average Westerner because your

00:10:10.900 average Westerner is, um, pretty ignorant about actually what, what had happened between Islam and

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00:11:57.720 from your study. What is Islam? Like what do they believe? Okay, Islam. Well, let's start with the word

00:12:07.420 Islam. Yeah, it comes and here, as I explained to you, you're going to see a lot of, a lot of things

00:12:15.740 that you had heard and how they were wrong. So one of the things that maybe you've heard is Islam means

00:12:20.300 peace, right? And, you know, again, as usual, all the great lies have some truth to them. So the word

00:12:26.980 in Arabic words are always cognates of certain roots and the word for peace and the word for

00:12:34.560 submission, which is what Islam is, are actually the same root. And so Islam means that salam is peace.

00:12:40.640 Islam means submit and have peace. Okay. All right. So that's the religion. That's its very name.

00:12:46.380 And a Muslim, we say Muslim and they don't like that because in Arabic, a Muslim means someone

00:12:51.300 who's oppressed, but a Muslim to pronounce it their way. I didn't know that they didn't like

00:12:57.100 that name. Well, no, no, their name is Muslim, but Americans pronounce it Muslim. And that's an

00:13:03.140 Arabic word too. Oh, it's just different. It means you're an oppressed person. So it's an interesting

00:13:08.760 pun that Americans are calling them oppressed, which, okay. Yeah. Anyway, so a Muslim or a Muslim

00:13:14.780 is someone who has submitted, which begs the question, what are they submitting to? And this

00:13:20.040 is where what's known as Islamic law or Sharia comes into play. And Islam, I think the best way

00:13:26.320 to understand it and the problem that Christians have is they tend to project their sort of religious

00:13:32.700 character onto other people. And they think because, you know, Christianity has a very spiritual

00:13:40.000 element and it's not about the law, at least modern day Christianity. They think that's

00:13:46.340 how Islam is, but Islam is actually, it has nothing to do with, you know, the condition of

00:13:49.980 your heart with God. It's just laws. It's like, how do you live your daily life? All right.

00:13:55.020 And it's actually so codified that most people don't know this. There's actually everything

00:13:59.260 in the world that you can do in Islam. There's five categories. It's either obligatory. So like

00:14:05.820 the five pillars, right? And the prayers and the fasting, it's recommended. You should do it,

00:14:11.920 but you won't be punished. It's neutral. Okay. It doesn't matter. It's disliked. You don't have

00:14:16.840 to not do it, but if you do, we'd rather you don't. And then it's forbidden. Everything in life.

00:14:22.180 I mean, so that's, I mean, when you think about that, that's not how most people think of religion,

00:14:26.500 right? It's so it's that codified. And then for our purposes, and I always say this,

00:14:33.080 because a lot of people, you know, when they get, when they talk negatively or criticize Islam,

00:14:36.760 they just talk about everything. Whereas for me, I think what's interesting and useful is to just

00:14:42.440 ascertain the things about Islam that are negative towards me as a non-Muslim. Okay. And they're

00:14:47.400 actually quite limited, but they're also far reaching and they are basically, I've, I've narrowed

00:14:52.680 them down to three doctrines. One, and I can tell you the name in Arabic, but it basically it preaches

00:14:57.860 love and loyalty for fellow Muslims and hatred for non-Muslims, which is why Al-Qaeda and ISIS

00:15:03.900 would say, irrespective of what the infidel does, we have to hate them. All right.

00:15:08.500 Every type of Muslim.

00:15:10.060 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, Nishia.

00:15:12.680 So even those, because I've noticed as Islam has come to the West and more of our neighbors

00:15:19.300 are Muslim and, you know, they've got their social media presence. And when you see the snippets

00:15:24.460 of their sermons or whatever, you know, they call it in their services, it doesn't sound

00:15:30.180 that different than what a lot of pastors in Christian churches will say. They'll say,

00:15:35.020 show the other gender, double honor, be friendly neighbors, serve others. And it's like, I think

00:15:41.780 to a lot of people, it's like, well, that must be a different kind of Islam than the Islam

00:15:46.560 that we're seeing in Afghanistan. But what you're saying is every single Muslim everywhere abides

00:15:51.640 by the principles you're talking about. I wouldn't go so far to say that because I would

00:15:55.940 say, I know how every Muslim believes. What I'm saying is this is what Islam teaches.

00:16:00.280 Yeah. And if you want to be a representative and a true follower of Islam, that's what you

00:16:04.320 will do. But I mean, if you want to be a homosexual Muslim and say, I'm a, you can do that, but

00:16:09.660 obviously you're going against the religion. Well, so what I mean is what, here's what's going

00:16:13.620 on. The, the so-called moderate Muslims, they exist. And some of them, you know, whether it's

00:16:19.340 a pretense, some of them, it may be sincere, but what it, what, what we need to understand

00:16:23.660 is they're not representative of Islam. Okay. So what we do is the dichotomy that's sort

00:16:29.120 of pushed on us is that you have a moderate Muslim who's apparently following true Islam.

00:16:33.600 And then you have the radicals who are like twisting it and turning it into something violent.

00:16:38.380 That's what we in the West think.

00:16:39.980 Exactly. That's what we think. The truth is you still, you do have the two groups, but

00:16:44.460 what the truth is, is that the so-called radical is actually following normative mainstream Islam,

00:16:49.480 which by our standards is radical, but not by their standards. And the so-called moderate

00:16:55.440 Muslim, if he's truly moderate and he may be, he or she, he's just not following it. It's

00:17:00.600 like saying I'm a Christian, but then I do all sorts of things that are just completely

00:17:05.060 not part of Christianity. Okay. So you can do that, but you're not representing true Christianity.

00:17:10.640 So that's, I think the dichotomy exists. You do have that and that, but the, the falsehood

00:17:15.680 is thinking that the guys who act moderate represent real Islam and the other guys represent

00:17:20.600 false Islam. It's actually the other way around.

00:17:23.460 So true Islam teaches that there is a love and loyalty towards other Muslims and a hatred

00:17:29.240 for all infidels.

00:17:30.420 Yeah. So the radicals will be upfront. The ISIS types will be proud about it and we'll talk

00:17:35.340 about it. The other ones will, um, so when you talk about, you know, you've listened to

00:17:40.200 one of their sermons and it sounds not unlike a Christian pastor. Okay. Yeah. Well, a lot

00:17:45.460 of that is because they know about those doctrines, but they also know there's a lot of infidels

00:17:50.380 around them and word can get out. So they try not to talk about that too much. Whereas if

00:17:55.560 it's in the Islamic world, um, where they're comfortable and they don't know what about

00:17:59.640 infidels, then they talk about it and it becomes very, so, so it's, it is obviously for

00:18:04.120 a show. Um, I'll give you a very, an anecdote when I, when I worked at the library of Congress,

00:18:09.940 which kind of, you know, speaks to what we're talking about. Um, there were a lot of Muslims

00:18:14.740 that worked there and, um, you know, I was actually friendly with a lot of them and one

00:18:18.860 of them, uh, you know, I could tell he was a radical, you know, like deep down inside

00:18:23.380 he had the, like the, he was a Salafi, which, you know, he had like a beard and it was red

00:18:28.160 and they shaved the Muslim, which I understand what that means. It means he's, I'm following

00:18:31.940 Muhammad to a T and, um, but then he would act moderate and talk about, no, no, we can

00:18:36.800 be friends with the non-Muslim. So I would debate him, just me and him like sitting at

00:18:41.520 a cafeteria and be like, well, what about the verse that says you have to hate the Muslims?

00:18:44.620 And what about the verse about jihad and this and that? And, and then I, we started

00:18:50.340 talking about, and this is important for everyone for not for Westerners to understand there's

00:18:53.860 this whole thing about abrogation in the Quran. Okay. Because the Quran was revealed piecemeal

00:18:59.220 to Muhammad and over years, um, you will find contradictions. And so what the moderates

00:19:05.280 will do is they'll take the good stuff, right? Um, and most of the violent stuff comes later

00:19:10.680 in Muhammad's career. And the reason for that is in his, in the beginning of his career,

00:19:14.060 he was weak, outnumbered. So it was actually beneficial for him to preach, you know, you have

00:19:19.220 your religion, I have my religion, which is one of the verses in the Quran and there's

00:19:23.380 no compulsion in religion. These are the verses that moderates always quote and they are in

00:19:27.140 the Quran. Okay. But then when he became stronger, he went on the war path and then the jihad,

00:19:32.740 the jihading began. Okay. And the conquest, and that's when he started receiving the militants,

00:19:38.900 uh, the ones that I'm talking about. Okay. They had, you got to hate them. You can't befriend

00:19:42.820 them. You have to wage jihad on them. Uh, Quran 929, it's known as a, one of the sword verses.

00:19:49.620 And it basically says, fight the people of the book, which means the Jews and the Christians

00:19:53.220 until they pay tribute and feel themselves humbled. Okay. And with that right there was an open-ended

00:19:59.740 declaration of nonstop war against Jews and Christians. Okay. And, and, and that's like,

00:20:04.640 they're the lucky ones, uh, because the other sword verse talks about the pagans and they're just to

00:20:09.280 be killed right away. They don't even, they can't even pay tribute theoretically. Okay. So, um, so

00:20:14.840 these are the violent verses that come later. Now, um, the abrogation was the Muslim scholars later on

00:20:21.840 were, how do we make sense of the peaceful and the violent? Well, which do we follow? And the

00:20:26.020 abrogation idea is whatever came later in Muhammad's lifetime supplants the earlier. Okay. And, and

00:20:32.780 that's the final word. So the earlier one mattered during the 10 years of Muhammad was weak, for example,

00:20:38.340 but they don't pertain to us anymore, us as Muslims. And the other view, which is very similar

00:20:43.000 says, no, they both work. And it depends on the particular Muslim today where he finds himself.

00:20:48.760 So if you find yourself, you're in a strong position, you should go by the militant violent

00:20:53.140 one. If you find yourself weak, like Muhammad was, then you should preach peace and tolerance. Okay.

00:20:58.640 And they're known as the older peaceful ones are the Mecca verses. And the more violent one are the

00:21:04.860 Medina verses, because that's where they were revealed later. He went to Medina became stronger.

00:21:09.180 So I told this Muslim guy about that. And at first he kind of acted dumb, like, Oh, I don't know about

00:21:14.860 that. Cause he kept saying, no, no, I believe in, in peace, but I already know I can tell he's a

00:21:19.180 radical. And then finally he got really frustrated and he says, well, what do you want from me? I live

00:21:24.960 in Mecca. And what he meant is I am following this peaceful Meccan verses because like Muhammad,

00:21:31.340 when he was weak and outnumbered in Mecca, I'm in Washington DC, weak and outnumbered by all you

00:21:36.080 infidels. So of course I'm going to preach the peace. So, okay. So that's, you know, to me,

00:21:41.600 that was very telling and eyeopening. And I think elements of that.

00:21:45.120 Wow. That makes so much sense actually to how it has infiltrated Western civilization,

00:21:50.760 because when Muslims are outnumbered, they sound and act a lot like their Christian neighbors.

00:21:56.200 And then your Christian neighbors in the name of love and helping, you know, the people around us

00:22:02.160 are thinking, well, I mean, we're all basically the same. We all worship the same God, but that's

00:22:08.240 not quite right.

00:22:09.080 Nope. That's not at all. And Muslims understand that and they're exploiting it because it's

00:22:13.880 beneficial to them. It works just perfectly. And then, and see, and that's the, and that's one of

00:22:18.300 the reasons Muslims can get away with this, mostly in the West, because Westerners come from a

00:22:23.160 Christian heritage, whether they are or aren't. And even if they're not Christians, you know,

00:22:27.600 Christian ideas have so suffused their worldview, you know, all that stuff that, you know, originally

00:22:33.460 when liberalism was still not crazy and it was good, you know, being nice to people and helping

00:22:38.400 them, that comes from a Christian framework and didn't just develop out of nowhere. And, you know,

00:22:43.200 giving, giving the guy, you know, giving someone the benefit of the doubt and being helpful.

00:22:47.540 So that's why, you know, it's like you're mixing two bad groups. One is very susceptible to being

00:22:53.480 exploited and the other is going to exploit as much as it can. Okay. And so that's sort of what's

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00:24:02.200 Okay. What is that third doctrine? You listed the two first doctrine, love for Muslims, hate

00:24:12.740 for the infidel with the third.

00:24:14.180 Right. So the love and the hate, that's actually, it's in Arabic, it's known as

00:24:17.700 it's actually one doctrine. The second doctrine is, and the way I explain it is, and so by the

00:24:24.220 way, before we leave the love and the hate, the best and easiest way I think to understand

00:24:27.500 it is, it's tribalism. It's deified tribalism. It's now, you know, it's not, it's, you know,

00:24:32.740 we are Muslims, we hate you, you know? So it's almost, it's kind of like racism. Okay. But it's

00:24:38.700 not about race. It's about religion. It's religious supremacism. Okay. So we don't deal with you.

00:24:44.020 You know, Muslims are brothers to each other, even if one is Arab and one is Turkish or black.

00:24:50.220 Theoretically, that's how it should be. And you know, the infidel, we have to hate him. Now that

00:24:55.160 obviously leads to the next more important, more familiar doctrine, jihad. So jihad is warfare to

00:25:02.900 conquer the non-Muslim world. And the reason that love and hate is so powerful, because you need an

00:25:09.760 ideology like that to fuel jihad. Because now if I always hate you, because you're the tribal outsider,

00:25:16.280 it's going to make sense for me to want to fight you and subvert you and kill you and enslave you

00:25:21.080 and whatever, because you are the enemy and God tells me to hate you.

00:25:25.000 And jihad means literally.

00:25:26.760 Jihad? Okay. So jihad, well, you know, when you translate a word on the older scholars,

00:25:33.080 sometimes what they would do is they would take a word and translate it into what it really,

00:25:37.800 not literally what it means, but what it, the connotation that everyone, an Arab here would

00:25:42.280 understand. So they used to translate jihad as holy war, which is perfectly legitimate because

00:25:46.940 that's kind of what it means. But the word itself means to struggle. And I always find it funny

00:25:52.320 because a lot of the Muslim apologists point this out and they say, oh, you crazy Islamophobes,

00:25:57.340 jihad doesn't mean holy war, it means struggle. In fact, it does, but that actually makes it worse.

00:26:02.920 And it really underscores how dangerous jihad is because yes, jihad does mean to struggle on behalf

00:26:09.340 of Islam. So you can overpower and overcome the infidel world. Okay. And it's historical manifestation

00:26:16.280 has been through arms, through violence, because no one, including and especially Europeans,

00:26:21.640 pre-modern Europeans, was going to be suckered into being conquered the way they are now. So the

00:26:27.520 only way to do jihad was through force and violence. Okay. But in the common era, there's

00:26:31.960 other forms of jihads that the Islamic scholars have actually articulated. And they're known as,

00:26:37.580 for example, jihad of the tongue and jihad of the pen. That means lying and propaganda.

00:26:42.620 Okay. On behalf of Islam, there's jihad of the money, which means I'm a rich billionaire Saudi.

00:26:48.840 I don't commit to jihad, but I send millions to support it. And there's the baby jihad. Okay.

00:26:54.440 Which is, you know, and a lot of the women see this as their burden, which is, I'm going to have as

00:26:58.420 many children as I can have. We're going to, we're going to flood the world with Mohammeds,

00:27:02.240 which they're already doing in a lot of Western European capitals. The number one newborn baby,

00:27:07.280 baby boy name is Mohammed. So actually when people argue, oh, jihad just means struggle.

00:27:13.200 Yeah, it does. And in fact, there's various manifestations of how this is happening,

00:27:17.720 even though historically it was through holy war.

00:27:20.640 Wow. Okay. So what is this third doctrine?

00:27:23.340 So the third one is more of a historical one, but it's, so when I was telling you about Quran 929,

00:27:28.200 fight the people, the book, the Christians and the Jews, until they pay tribute and embrace living as

00:27:33.280 a second-class citizen. So now, okay, you started off with the hate, you fought, you conquered,

00:27:39.360 and now you got to keep these people living as just, you know, at best second-class, maybe third-class

00:27:44.800 citizens. And the people suffering from this today would be, you know, non-Muslim minorities,

00:27:50.520 Christians, Yazidis, Druze, as we saw recently, who live under Islamic rule because they're

00:27:57.200 continuously being mistreated. And we're talking about millions of people around the world.

00:28:01.280 So it wouldn't, you know, here in this setting or in the West, it's not too applicable because

00:28:08.080 Westerners are still not under the yoke or the boot of the Muslim still. So it doesn't really

00:28:15.020 apply, but it's, so it just shows you, you know, it starts off with the hatred and the loyalty to

00:28:19.020 fellow Muslims and tribalism. And then that manifests itself through violence and war or just jihad in

00:28:24.240 general, which is different manifestations, including peaceful ways. And then the end result is if you're

00:28:30.260 still alive, you are a low-life, uh, second-class citizen.

00:28:34.740 Muslims believe that they are from the line of Ishmael. Is that correct?

00:28:40.240 Uh, yeah.

00:28:41.400 Yes. And Muhammad was who? Like, why did he start this religion? How did he gain all his power?

00:28:49.220 Well, it's, it's interesting when you look at Muhammad's life, according to Muslim sources,

00:28:52.760 of course, um, he starts off, okay. He's, he, you know, according to the Islamic tradition,

00:28:57.120 he's born to 570. Um, and he's at age of 40. So around 610, Gabriel visits him, right. And starts

00:29:06.640 pontificating to him or actually, uh, Quran means to recite. So they, they start reciting the, the

00:29:12.860 ayat or the verses that keep coming piecemeal over his, until he dies. Okay. So from 610 to 632.

00:29:19.580 And the first 10 years when he's living in Mecca, nobody followed him. It was just, uh, and he was

00:29:26.260 poor and he, he, he was married to a rich widow, older than him, who was essentially taking care of

00:29:31.820 him. You know, and he, his father and parents, he was raised by his, um, uncle and he was just kind

00:29:37.480 of like, you know, as a laughingstock. And a lot of the, the, the, the Kuriish, the tribes that were in

00:29:42.100 Mecca would laugh at him and mock him. And this of course is when we got the peaceful verses,

00:29:45.920 as I was saying, right. The, the, you know, you have your religion, I have mine. Don't persecute

00:29:49.780 me. I won't persecute you because it was weak and he was outnumbered. And then when he finally

00:29:55.280 went to, um, Medina, he actually became powerful and he got a lot of tribes to join and work with

00:30:01.320 him. And so I, I would argue that's, that has from day one been the, you know, the blueprint of

00:30:06.900 Islam. Islam was rewarding to men, especially. So now if you join the winning team and you join

00:30:14.740 Muhammad's caravan, we're going to, okay, we're going to kill, we're going to rape, we're going

00:30:19.520 to enslave, we're going to plunder. And best of all, I mean, you know, tribal societies did this

00:30:24.700 always anyway, but best of all, now we're going to go to heaven for it. If we get killed and we're

00:30:29.020 martyrs and we get more of that in paradise. Okay. So that's why I often say Muhammad, basically his

00:30:34.940 genius was he deified tribalism and now it wasn't just, you know, me against the other, but it's me

00:30:40.980 against the other. And then I even get, and the more I kill them, the more I'm going to be rewarded

00:30:44.980 in the here and hereafter. And then, you know, he, and the men, of course I say men to, to get his

00:30:51.440 men to, to get Arab men to follow him. You got all, you know, the, the sex slavery as being codified

00:30:57.720 as in the Quran. I mean, think about it. God is actually telling you as a man, you can go and

00:31:03.640 rape women. Okay. That's their God. And children, correct? Because Muhammad took a child

00:31:10.540 bride. Aisha. Aisha, she was six, right? But didn't consummate until nine. So gracious. And is

00:31:19.200 that why we see, it seems, an acceptance of pedophilia? I mean, I read a very interesting

00:31:26.380 article that kind of brought this to mind a few years ago. And it was, it was actually about

00:31:31.840 Jeffrey Epstein, but it was like, the reason that we in the West rightly have a revulsion

00:31:36.240 against Jeffrey Epstein is because of our Christian underpinnings. And because Christianity and going

00:31:42.180 all the way back to Genesis said that marriage was about being able to have children, that right

00:31:47.960 there defined marriages between not a man and anyone, but a man and a woman who was able to bear

00:31:53.320 children. So just inherently in Judaism and Christianity, you see that you got to be an adult,

00:31:59.920 but we don't see that in Islam.

00:32:02.320 No. No, it's, you know, it's, it's catering to every man's desires, whatever they may be. Okay.

00:32:08.580 Four women, sex slaves, young. And there's Quranic verse. I mean, you know, pedophilia of boys is a

00:32:15.480 very real thing. It's very interesting because especially as someone who studies his history,

00:32:19.420 really, it was very, very common amongst Muslims, especially the Turks. You know, it was,

00:32:24.440 it was known as a Turkish disease in the medieval era. And, you know, Christian Europeans would

00:32:29.560 almost like try to kill their kids before having them being kidnapped. Okay. And anyway, and even

00:32:37.640 in the Quran, you have like these beautiful servant boys in heaven, which is kind of ambiguous. And

00:32:41.980 some people say it's, it's meant to be sexually enticing.

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00:33:32.840 jace.com code Allie. So why do Muslims want to come to America if they can live basically in what

00:33:47.140 you described as Medina, where they have power and they have the ability to exact their rule however

00:33:53.640 they want to in the Middle East. But they come here and it's not like they, you know, disseminate.

00:33:59.720 They don't spread out. They concentrate in Dearborn, Michigan, in Houston, Texas, in Minnesota,

00:34:04.880 and in London and other parts of the world as well. Is there a strategy there? Is there a specific

00:34:13.220 purpose why they are infiltrating the West the way they are?

00:34:16.640 Well, I mean, first and foremost, I would say it's just opportunism. I'm coming because,

00:34:21.180 you know, you're right. In my country, I can live according to pure Islam. I don't have to dissemble,

00:34:26.480 but their countries are poor and they live, you know, oftentimes in a horrific way. So

00:34:31.500 primarily they're coming here because, and you believe it or not, you know, because historically it

00:34:37.240 was forbidden for Muslims to willingly live amongst infidels due to the hate and tribalism that they

00:34:43.560 eventually had to, all these scholars came up with fatwas or decrees allowing it. But as long as you

00:34:49.540 maintain your Islam in your heart and the sort of like pretext they all follow is if I'm here to help

00:34:56.020 convert them. All right. Because that's one of the reasons a Muslim can go and live amongst non-Muslims.

00:35:01.620 He's, he's, he's engaged in what's called dawah. He's calling them to Islam. So a lot of them,

00:35:06.840 that's the pretext, but they're not here to assimilate at all. They, I just told you,

00:35:12.020 they hate the infidel. Okay. They're here to benefit. Okay. Whether that means from actually

00:35:17.380 having opportunities to get a job or more, more likely than not from just getting freebies,

00:35:22.600 as you see in a lot of these countries where they just go as migrants and they put them in hotels

00:35:27.080 and, you know, stuff that the actual citizens who built the nations don't, can't get. So in other

00:35:33.160 words, they're doing it because it's opportunistic for them. And, and the, but the tribalism and the

00:35:38.640 hatred is still there. And so it regularly manifests itself in what we see, whether it's in America

00:35:44.440 or whether more likely and more vividly and graphically in Western Europe, because the numbers

00:35:50.060 are greater. So yeah, they're not here to assimilate. They don't, they actually despise Western

00:35:55.820 culture. Okay. They just, but they want the good stuff that the West produces.

00:36:01.220 Yeah. Muslim migrants are responsible for a disproportionate number of sex crimes, especially

00:36:07.840 in European countries. And we see the tolerance for that. It seems to be lowering, which that part

00:36:14.840 is good. Obviously the crimes are not. Why do you think that there is disproportionate representation

00:36:22.800 of, of Muslims when it comes to those kinds of crimes?

00:36:28.380 Well, okay. So if you go to the Islamic world, uh, you're going to see the same kind of crimes

00:36:34.180 being exacted against non-Muslims, Christian minorities, Hindus, you know, whatever, Yazidis,

00:36:40.320 Druze, all sorts of Shias, um, who are the minority. You're going to see the same sorts of things

00:36:45.240 because they're actually, again, they go back to the heart of Islam. Islam, you have it in the Quran

00:36:49.820 where their God actually tells them you can, not only can you have you four wives, okay. Polygamy,

00:36:54.820 but you can have, it's called what your right hand possesses, which means any woman you conquer,

00:37:00.080 who's an infidel. Okay. Um, the, the, the non-Muslim exists to be plundered, enslaved,

00:37:07.400 okay. Killed when back in the media, in the, in the pre-modern era, even if, if they wanted,

00:37:14.120 let's say a European wanted to send a delegation to talk to some caliph or something,

00:37:17.580 the caliph had to go out of his way to, you know, make sure and send an, a special license

00:37:23.340 to that person so he can travel through the Muslim land without being killed because the default,

00:37:28.640 um, situation is once he sets foot, he gets killed. Okay. I mean, this is why, by the way,

00:37:34.340 this is why the new world was found. All these sailors from Europe were going West because they

00:37:40.260 couldn't go East because that was the Islamic world. And once you go there, you're dead. Okay.

00:37:45.200 Once they get ahold of you, that's what prompted people sailing Westward to try to get around,

00:37:49.420 um, you know, the East, the Islamic East. Um, so, uh, so I lost my train of thought.

00:37:56.540 That's okay. Just the reason I'm interested in the theological reason, which you've already touched

00:38:01.980 on why it seems like those kinds of crimes, crimes against women and little girls seem to be especially

00:38:08.620 prevalent in Islam. Right. Right. Okay. So yeah, that was, that's what I was sort of getting at,

00:38:13.240 which is that the default, the default position between Muslim and non-Muslims, you're my enemy.

00:38:18.240 And, uh, if you're a woman, okay. Uh, you know, and now, okay. So one of the themes that very few

00:38:23.600 people understand is that, you know, we know what happened in England and the so-called grooming

00:38:29.040 gangs, but it's also happening all throughout Europe, right. And Sweden. And you say so-called.

00:38:34.540 Well, because I mean that word, I don't, I don't, it's kind of very subjective. What's going on.

00:38:39.060 Is it just straight up rape, which we can call it that, or is grooming a euphemism? Um, you know,

00:38:45.080 I mean, I guess that's a real debate, which I'm not too privy to, but I've heard both sides. And

00:38:49.620 so that's why I put it in quotes. Um, they were gangs who were raping children. We know that much

00:38:54.520 it seems. Right. But some people argue, no, that these, you know, they were actually seduced and

00:38:59.660 groomed and they thought they were their boyfriend or whatever. And I'm not making that argument.

00:39:03.260 That's why I'm saying for the longest time, the word I would always hear, including from the

00:39:07.080 right wing is grooming. So, but yeah, it is rape, obviously. Now the thing about that,

00:39:12.660 not just in England, but, uh, all throughout Northern Europe. And, um, one of the funniest

00:39:17.440 things, and again, here's, here's the importance of the concept of understanding continuity when it

00:39:21.460 comes to Islam and how unwavering it is. I, um, I I've written a lot about this, uh, this phenomenon

00:39:27.120 and, and oftentimes the woman who's raped or whatever happened to her, uh, the Muslim will say some

00:39:34.760 really degrading stuff like, okay, you white women exist for this. You white women are just good for

00:39:39.840 this. You white women like it. Okay. That sort of thing. Now, what's funny is, um, because I study

00:39:45.460 history when you go way, way, way back, um, literally almost Muhammad's time, that kind of

00:39:50.880 thinking existed. Okay. So it starts with Muhammad who during his, one of his campaigns against the

00:39:56.920 Eastern Roman empire, which would be, I guess, white Greeks. Um, he tried to cajole one of his men by

00:40:04.480 saying who, who didn't want to commit and go fight. He's like, but don't you want the blonde

00:40:08.220 women? Right. And, um, now after that, after Muhammad, then you get all these scholars who

00:40:14.300 are writing in the eighth and ninth, ninth century. We're talking well over a thousand years who say

00:40:18.500 the same things, who say literally white women, European women, they usually would talk about

00:40:22.820 Byzantine women. Cause that's who's closest to them, but also Frankish women and same exact

00:40:28.140 mentality. They like it. They're good for it. They're all slots and whores. Okay. So, and they

00:40:33.940 also coveted and wanted them. So one of the, you know, things that few people understand is

00:40:38.960 all the Vikings slave raids on England and France and wherever in Northern European, a lot of those

00:40:45.600 people were actually sold to the Abbasid Caliphates because there was a premium for white slaves. So I

00:40:51.920 tell you all this to show you that, you know, you fast forward and you go to these countries now and

00:40:56.680 you see the same exact behavior. Cause you're asking me, well, why, why is it Muslims who are

00:41:00.720 disproportionate? And you see the same exact behavior and you find that, well, this is

00:41:05.420 actually, they're just echoing their own heritage, which goes back over a millennium

00:41:09.840 straight to their profit. So it's not surprising. Same thing with the crime, just crimes in general

00:41:14.720 theft. Yeah. You know, again, if you're the, okay. So remember Jizya is you pay tribute. If you're an

00:41:20.660 infidel and now you're under a Muslim rule, Jizya, you have to pay us tribute so we don't kill you.

00:41:25.440 So Muslim clerics, I remember one, he's very famous in England and he says welfare, British

00:41:31.360 welfare, cause he was getting a lot of welfare cause he had like four wives and 10 kids. And he

00:41:35.640 says, well, this is Jizya. They owe it to us. Okay. So, so it's that mentality, you know, I'm here in

00:41:40.880 the West not to contribute, not to assimilate. I'm here to take. Okay. And you know, it's just amazing

00:41:47.960 that we have a, then, you know, the other side is actually, which we don't talk enough about is

00:41:54.380 the West because to me, you know, what's happening today is kind of unprecedented, but it's a lot of

00:42:00.220 it is self-induced. Yeah. You know, this isn't, you know, this back in the day when Muslims would

00:42:05.340 invade Europe, they fought tooth and nail to keep them out. And that's where I want to go. Okay.

00:42:10.180 Let's, let's go back. Let's go back. Cause you're talking about all of this and you're like, well,

00:42:14.600 it makes a lot more sense now when we look at history and we see Christians doing everything

00:42:20.780 they could to defeat the Muslim world. And I, I've heard people point to that part of Christian

00:42:26.140 history as an example of bad Christianity, as evil, oppressive Christianity when they plundered

00:42:32.100 the Muslim world. But when you're talking about what Muhammad said, what the scholars were saying

00:42:36.880 about, you know, raping and pillaging their women and probably girls, it kind of makes more sense

00:42:43.320 why they were so aggressive. So tell us what really happens going all the way back.

00:42:47.760 Sure. Sure. Yeah. Well, okay. Now, now you, now you've come to my forte.

00:42:51.140 I'm excited.

00:42:52.060 Yeah. Well, great. So, uh, you're, first of all, you're absolutely right. Um, and that what's

00:42:57.840 presented is that the bad Christians were the guys who resisted this. Okay. And they won't,

00:43:03.740 they won't even tell you they resisted. They'll just say there was no problems. It's the Christians

00:43:06.880 who started and it was the Christians who were attacking and hurting Muslims. You know,

00:43:10.660 that's the narrative about what time. Oh, well, they usually will reference the crusades. I'll

00:43:16.500 give you a very perfect quote. So, um, I don't know if you ever heard of John Esposito. So, okay.

00:43:21.260 He was a professor at Georgetown university and he was a big deal back in like the 2010s. And he wrote

00:43:26.560 a lot of books. He's like the editor of the Oxford history of Islam. He's a big deal. I remember a lot

00:43:31.940 of, you know, the intelligence department go to him for information. So he has this line in one of his

00:43:37.800 books, which I've literally memorized because I've quoted it so many times, because it's just so

00:43:41.560 absurd. He says that five centuries of peaceful coexistence between Muslims and Christians

00:43:47.060 elapsed before an imperial papal power play, he's talking about the crusades, launched a series of

00:43:52.880 holy wars causing enduring mistrust and resentment from Muslims to the West. Okay.

00:43:58.820 That's impressive.

00:44:00.620 Yeah. So what he's trying to say is before the first crusade in the year 1095,

00:44:04.960 that's when it was called, um, and Islam, you know, so Muslim Muhammad dies in 632. So we're

00:44:10.620 talking well over four centuries, right? He's saying all that was just, you know, peace and love

00:44:16.280 between Muslims and Christians. Well, in the real world, what happened is this people. And here we go

00:44:22.200 again, you know, with the intentional ignorance, people forget when we talk about Christianity and

00:44:26.080 Christendom, when Muhammad was alive or during the seventh century, the vast majority of it was in

00:44:32.000 what's today called the Islamic world. Okay. It was in Egypt. It was in Syria. It was in Turkey,

00:44:36.760 Asia minor. It was all throughout North Africa. Okay. So actually Europe, when we think of

00:44:41.580 Christendom was the smaller kind of little brother of the big Christian world, which is why Constantine,

00:44:47.140 you know, really the first Christian emperor moved it from Rome to new Rome, Constantinople in the East,

00:44:52.820 or put it this way, there were, there's five major seas or centers of Christianity.

00:44:57.600 And only one was in the West, Rome, which is what Christians know. The other four, Alexandria,

00:45:04.740 Antioch, Jerusalem, and later Constantinople, which were just as equal are now a part of the Islamic

00:45:11.100 world. Okay. So, you know, to give you the brief lessons from the year Muhammad dies, 632 to 732,

00:45:19.220 Muslims literally have conquered almost three quarters of the ancient Christian world through sheer

00:45:25.240 savage violence from their own sources. Okay. Because they actually in their own sources,

00:45:30.260 they boast about, because that proves the power of Allah. Okay. Yeah. And this was all before the

00:45:35.380 crusades. Oh yeah. I mean, and it's kind of obvious when you think about it, you don't even have to be

00:45:39.160 a scholar of history to think, well, of course that used to be Christian and now it's Muslim. How did that

00:45:43.540 happen? But you know, there are a lot of things like that in the world that we haven't really thought

00:45:47.420 about. Right. Right. And the reason I said 732 is because that's the famous battle of Tours. So 632,

00:45:52.380 Muhammad died, 732. They are in the middle of France and they've already conquered Spain.

00:45:57.220 They've conquered all of North Africa from Egypt to Morocco. They've conquered the Middle East,

00:46:01.480 greater Syria, which encompasses Lebanon, Israel, Jordan, all that nation, all those regions. And,

00:46:08.520 you know, and then thereafter it's a continuous bombardment on the Mediterranean. And then later

00:46:13.160 the Turks come and they become the new, they're Muslim and they become the new standard bearers of

00:46:17.260 Islam. And the jihad is rekindled and now Asia Minor is conquered. And this is, so now, okay, so now

00:46:23.540 all of, you know, all that's conquered. And then right before the first crusade is when the Turks,

00:46:28.440 who are extremely savage and violent, come and conquer Asia Minor and also the Holy Land. And they

00:46:35.220 now, okay, so according to the sources, they've in, I mean, the Armenians, we talk about the Armenian

00:46:42.100 genocide. Actually, the Turks were genociding them over a millennium before the Armenian genocide.

00:46:47.360 If you look at the sources in the 11th century, when they started pouring into Armenia and then

00:46:52.480 later Anatolia, Asia Minor, according to contemporary sources, they literally were killing tens of

00:46:58.380 thousands of Christians and burning and destroying tens of thousands of churches. Okay. In one city,

00:47:05.060 Ani, an Armenian city, which was the capital at the time, was known as a thousand and one,

00:47:08.620 a city of a thousand and one churches. They were all burned to the ground. Okay. So this is now,

00:47:14.000 and, and, and, and this is what prompted, um, the emperor, the Byzantine emperor, Alexius to call

00:47:19.360 for aid from the West. And at the same time, Western pilgrims who had always been going to Jerusalem,

00:47:24.820 to the Holy Land were being attacked and killed and mauled. One of the worst, the pilgrims,

00:47:29.820 especially one of the worst instances, which was well-recorded occurred in 1064. It was a large

00:47:34.380 German pilgrimage. And, you know, I went, his sources talk about, not only did they kill

00:47:38.780 everyone, but they took, uh, there was a, they describe her as a beautiful abbess or, uh, you

00:47:43.200 know, a nun who was, they told her don't go, but she really wanted to go pilgrimage. And they took

00:47:48.040 her and it says these shameless men gang raped her until she died. Okay. And then it says at the end,

00:47:52.820 and they did this sort of thing common all the time. That is what led to the first crusade. Okay.

00:47:58.920 So think of what I just told you in one year, even before that, in the year 1009. Okay. So what

00:48:03.820 we're talking about, the Seljuk Turks and what's happening, this is from like 1030s all the way to

00:48:08.160 1095. But in 1009, now you have a Fatimid, a Shia caliph from Egypt who actually in that year alone

00:48:16.900 destroyed, according to a Muslim source, 30,000 churches, um, and synagogues in Egypt and greater

00:48:23.660 Syria, including the Holy Sepulcher, which is, or the church of the resurrection of Christ in

00:48:28.700 Jerusalem was raised to the ground. Okay. So that's what would that, those are the five

00:48:33.660 centuries of peaceful coexistence that the professors are telling everyone occurred until

00:48:38.880 scare quotes for everyone out there. Until those evil Christians decided to go and do this crazy

00:48:45.160 crusade, which totally randomly came out of nowhere, you know, and even if you look at the sources,

00:48:49.800 when you look at a Pope urban, when he's preaching the first crusade, that's exactly what he's talking

00:48:53.880 about. He's telling you the horrific atrocities are committing against Christians, the desecration

00:48:58.680 of churches, you know, they would take youths and like disembowel them and tie their intestines

00:49:03.720 and whip them. I mean, really like mind boggling stuff. That's what the evil crusaders were responding

00:49:11.060 to. You don't get that, right? You don't get the context. You don't, it's all in a vacuum.

00:49:14.640 Sarcasm. Yeah.

00:49:15.640 Yeah.

00:49:16.020 Yeah.

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00:50:15.120 And one thing that you said in your books, I think it was the sword and the scimitar,

00:50:20.840 when you described the motivation for the Crusades, you talked about agape love, which I

00:50:27.200 thought was so interesting. It would be like very radicalizing to a lot of people out there to hear

00:50:34.400 something like that. You're saying that the Christians who forged the Crusades were not motivated

00:50:39.680 by hate exclusively, of course, hatred for what was being done, but by agape love for their own

00:50:46.640 people, for their women and children. Can you expound upon that?

00:50:49.700 Yeah, sure. And so agape is the Greek, you know, biblical New Testament word for love,

00:50:54.780 which we translate as love. And one of the reasons that I, you know, intentionally picked

00:50:58.980 that word is because I think the English word love is just, it has too many sentimental connotations.

00:51:04.000 And I think that's what too many modern day Christians think biblical love is, kind of like

00:51:09.520 an emotional, but agape love is, you know, it's like wishing, willing the good for the other.

00:51:17.260 Okay. It's like being altruistic and, you know, it's not sentimental, but it's good and it's real,

00:51:23.420 it's practical. So when to early pre-modern Christians, including medieval ones, when they

00:51:28.880 would read about Jesus talking about loving your fellow man, that's what it meant. So if my fellow man,

00:51:33.840 fellow Christians are being killed and mauled and enslaved and raped and their churches are being

00:51:37.860 bombed, I'm not bombed, burned. Okay. Bombed is later now. Uh, what, uh, where's my love? So my

00:51:45.260 love was to be altruistic and sacrifice my own welfare. These, okay. A lot of these first crusaders

00:51:51.120 and all the crusaders, again, to just show you how everything is, it's topsy-turvy now how they teach

00:51:56.060 it. They, there's this theory they used to go by saying they're all second sons, which means they

00:52:01.100 were because of primogeniture, the first son gets everything. So the second sons have nothing.

00:52:05.900 So they all decided to be adventurers and go conquer the Holy land so they can have castles.

00:52:10.480 Okay. But the more, most recent research has shown that's the exact opposite. Actually,

00:52:14.940 a lot of these guys gave away their don't, you know, donated their castles and their lands and

00:52:19.760 lost them. Okay. Even someone like King Richard, you know, the whole thing with John and John,

00:52:25.080 taking, you know, taking over England and cause he was crusading. Uh, so it was a very dangerous

00:52:30.140 thing, not just for your life, but you lost everything. So, but that was muscular love.

00:52:35.080 That was true agape. And, uh, that's really what motivated them. And we, and of course it's

00:52:40.400 amazing. Now they are so demonized, um, you know, the crusaders, the crusaders. Yeah. And they're,

00:52:45.680 they are just the horrible ones. And, and, you know, I told you what happened to that German

00:52:49.820 pilgrimage in 2000, um, I think, or 1999. Cause that marked the 1000 year conquest of Europe of

00:52:57.120 Jerusalem by the crusaders, a large German pilgrimage, 1999 recently walked to Jerusalem

00:53:03.980 wearing, wearing shirts with the Arabic word. I apologize. Oh my gosh. For the crusades. Yes,

00:53:10.700 of course. Wow. Okay. My big question is in multiple friends, like what happened? Because on

00:53:19.060 the one hand, they still dominate the Middle East. So obviously we didn't get those Christian

00:53:25.960 lands, those Christian cities back, but at the same time for a very long time, it seemed like

00:53:32.480 Muslims were isolated to the Muslim world. It's only in relatively recent history that they have

00:53:37.660 started infiltrating Europe and the West. And so what happens to allow them to continue to dominate

00:53:44.220 that part of the world, but what also happened to keep them there for so long? Right. Well,

00:53:48.800 to answer that, we're going to actually have to go past the crusades. Uh, we can't really jump to

00:53:52.680 now. And that's also very, you know, didactic and how we're going to understand it. So after the

00:53:58.080 crusades, which really around 1300, they're more or less done. Um, uh, so now the, does, does Islam

00:54:05.460 wane? No, like I told you, now you have the Turks. Now it's the rise of the Ottomans. Okay. So these,

00:54:10.820 this is one of the most ruthless Turkish dynasty. Okay. Which is like, they are known as,

00:54:15.740 they are the jihadists par excellence. Okay. They're the ones who conquered Constantinople

00:54:20.340 in 1453. They invade and conquer the Balkans. Okay. Eastern Europe. I mean, how many people,

00:54:26.020 they're still Muslim countries in Europe because they were conquered and forcibly Islamized. Okay.

00:54:31.120 Um, and they can, you know, in the 16th century, uh, in North Africa, it was just swarming with

00:54:37.520 pirates, Muslim pirates, Barbary. And, um, they just in that century alone, according to the estimates of

00:54:44.080 very objective historians, at least 1.2 million Europeans were enslaved. Okay. You don't hear

00:54:50.320 about that, right? They would go as far as Iceland and, uh, as far as Denmark and England, England,

00:54:56.780 you know, it's, it's funny because what's happening today with England, um, you know,

00:55:01.860 the St. George flag and it's, and everyone's, so St. George flag is, uh, England's oldest flag.

00:55:09.200 And what is it? It's a red cross on white. And the irony is a lot of English people are sort of

00:55:14.240 rallying to it as a, as a sign of, you know, it's a sign of patriotism and they're being accused. Oh,

00:55:20.960 you're, you're Islamophobic, et cetera, et cetera. The, and I think there is some truth to that,

00:55:25.600 obviously not that they're Islamophobic, but the rallying to it as a sign of, you know, you,

00:55:29.280 you guys are invaders and you're doing what you're doing. Yeah.

00:55:31.820 The greater irony that no one knows is that flag was born in the context of war between Muslims

00:55:38.860 and Christians, the St. George flag. So the red and white, the first group to adopt that is the

00:55:44.480 Templars, the Knights of the Temple and red symbolized blood, martyrdom for Christ, red cross,

00:55:50.800 white symbolized purity because they were chased Knights devoted to God. Okay. And anyway, it carried

00:55:57.480 on in the crusader era and it got conflated with St. George. So St. George was a soldier saint who

00:56:02.960 was martyred around the third, fourth century for not renouncing Christ for by pagan Rome. And anyway,

00:56:09.020 so he became sort of a martial saint and especially for the English and they adopted that, that, uh,

00:56:15.040 that flag. Okay. And anyway, long story short with Edward first, another crusader, then it becomes

00:56:20.560 the flag of England. So I'm just telling you all this to show you how, you know, on the one hand,

00:56:25.620 it seems like a sort of an innocuous thing, a flag, but on the other hand, in, in and of itself,

00:56:31.500 this flag and the issue it concerns today, which is migration in Islam with, uh, migration in England

00:56:36.780 of Muslims, that's its origin. I mean, it's a classic, it's the classic, uh, you know, uh,

00:56:43.560 he doesn't know his history will repeat it. Yeah. Okay. You don't even know what that flag meant.

00:56:47.600 And you started bringing in the historic enemy and lo and behold, they're doing to you what used to

00:56:52.860 happen back in the day when you had to go and fight it. Okay. Um, but so finishing that narrative,

00:56:59.440 Iceland, you got the slave slavery going on these Barbary pirates. People don't realize that even

00:57:04.380 the United States, distant United States, it's very first war as a nation is with Muslims thinking on

00:57:10.920 the same exact logic. Okay. Uh, the Barbary pirates. Yeah. Uh, the Barbary pirates were basically,

00:57:17.240 um, and this is, um, I think this, they've started attacking right after the revolutionary war,

00:57:23.080 they started attacking American sailor vessels in the Atlantic, enslaving them, treating them

00:57:28.460 horrifically, just like, just like I was saying with all the other European slaves. And, uh, finally

00:57:33.440 Thomas Jefferson and John Adams met with, um, one of the Barbary ambassadors, Abdul something.

00:57:39.120 And Thomas Jefferson and Adams are like, well, you know, we did nothing to you. We want to be

00:57:43.680 friends. Maybe we can engage in trade and business. And the, uh, the Muslim ambassador, just like ISIS,

00:57:50.040 he said, our prophet says, you're the enemy. You're the infidel. Our Quran says we must kill

00:57:55.460 and enslave you wherever we find you, et cetera, et cetera. Okay. America's very first war again with

00:58:01.860 this same ancient foe. All right. So, all right. So how come, you know, they were confined and now

00:58:08.880 they're not what's going on. So finally you got the colonial era. All right. Now the colonial era,

00:58:13.660 historically people give a different dates, but let's say 1800, uh, Napoleon goes essentially

00:58:18.840 and conquers Egypt very easily. Um, so what happened in the, in the, in the colonial era

00:58:23.780 to the people who were colonizing these Europeans to them, this was a continuation of the crusades.

00:58:29.060 It was this ancient long war with Islam. Okay. Islam had swallowed up so much of a formerly

00:58:35.320 Christian lands, slowly got kicked out. Spain, it took 800 years to get it kicked out in Eastern

00:58:41.320 Europe, similar hundreds of years to get the Turks kicked out. And now the Europeans are finally

00:58:46.000 the strong ones. And now they're going back into the Islamic lands themselves, the middle East,

00:58:50.880 India, which is an Islamic and even further East. Um, and actually, so here's the funny thing

00:58:57.260 on the one hand now. So if I'll give you a perfect example of how history's distorted,

00:59:02.460 think of the history I just told you about this long attack from Islam, right? That's been going on

00:59:07.320 century after century. Um, when my book sword and scimitar came out, um, my agent told me there's

00:59:13.020 a, uh, you know, we felt like this is going to be an issue because some professor wrote a book that

00:59:16.860 was very similar. It was called crusade and jihad, the thousand year war between like, I don't know,

00:59:22.300 the global North and the South crusade and jihad. And my book is sword and scimitar 14 centuries of war

00:59:27.280 between Islam and the West. Anyway, I ended up reviewing the book, you know, it's a tome. It's like a

00:59:32.140 thousand pages. Right. And it turns out that in this thousand pages, which is dealing with the

00:59:38.140 whole conflict purportedly, 50 pages deal with the first thousand years from the time of Muhammad to

00:59:44.520 the colonial era. Okay. Which is, which is, that is where all the savage wild wars and jihads were

00:59:50.440 going on. Right. 50 concise pages. And you're, and you don't even know any of this stuff that I'm

00:59:54.980 talking about. It sounds like nothing happened. Islam spread, you know, through trade across the,

00:59:59.620 uh, the, the middle East. And then he gets to the colonial era. Oh, and now we got like 600,

01:00:06.280 700 pages of every conceivable sin and crime. The European man did to Muslims, uh, and others.

01:00:14.040 Okay. And, uh, and a lot of it of course is exaggerated. They didn't even, you know, commit

01:00:18.520 these crimes, but it's, again, you see, there's no context. So today when people talk about, uh,

01:00:23.860 the conflict between the Islamic world and, uh, the West, what they'll do is they won't tell you

01:00:29.100 anything that preceded the crusades. Like I told you, they'll start with the crusades and the

01:00:32.560 crusaders were just these evil guys who went and wanted to kill Muslims. And then I'll go to the

01:00:36.640 colonial era, which again, these crazy Europeans went there, uh, for no reason. One, again, one of

01:00:41.540 the main reasons for the colonial powers invade North Africa was to neutralize Barbary, the slave

01:00:46.540 trade system. In fact, it was they who actually abolished slavery to Europeans. I think the English

01:00:51.740 especially spearheaded it. Um, so these are, so because though we have this big lacuna in history

01:00:58.200 and all we know is that negative stuff that the West did with no, everything's in a vacuum. That's

01:01:04.040 why Islam is a problem today because now generations of Westerners have been taught how your ancestors

01:01:11.580 were the evil ones and the crusaders and the colonial and the colonizers. The Muslims have always

01:01:17.020 been the good tolerant one. Watch any historic movie. Okay. That deals with the crusades. I mean,

01:01:23.360 you know what I'm talking about? Every crusader is just some bumbling idiot screaming, there's

01:01:27.720 rules. And like, and he's a hypocrite. And the more he holds a cross, the more evil he really is.

01:01:33.020 And the Muslims, this wise, you know, paragon of virtue and patience, just like native Americans.

01:01:38.940 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The noble savage myth. Right. Um, generations of all that and, and academia and

01:01:45.860 has just convinced so many Westerners that it's my job to become a doormat. If I want to be a good

01:01:51.260 Christian, I need to make up for the sins of my forefathers, which is why I was, as I was telling

01:01:56.420 you, those German, that German pilgrimage saying, I'm sorry in Arabic. Okay. That's the mentality.

01:02:02.520 Yeah. And that mentality, one of the things that it's doing is, well, one of the things we're

01:02:06.800 going to do is bring Muslims to live with us and show them how great we are and how we're going

01:02:11.020 to host them and give them all the rights they can ever imagine. And yet, meanwhile, Muslims are

01:02:16.200 still, you know, to their credit, they haven't changed. It's the West that's changed. That's

01:02:21.280 become stupider to be put it bluntly. And Christians, because you talk about that

01:02:24.780 muscular Christianity. Well, yeah. And that's, so that really is the big shift. I think in many ways,

01:02:30.840 I think, I think Christianity has been subverted intentionally. Um, you know, as with all things,

01:02:37.160 I, you know, I was telling you earlier how, you know, good lies always have a half truth to them.

01:02:42.060 And of course, Christianity is about love and forgiveness and tolerance. Okay. But it seems

01:02:47.400 to be that people or elements that do not like Christianity have convinced Christians that that

01:02:53.020 is Christianity. You want to be a good Christian, you're a doormat. Okay. And you don't judge.

01:02:57.960 You always turn your cheek. You never, you never fight back. You never say anything is wrong.

01:03:02.840 Exactly. That's become a good Christian. Well, that is not what a good Christian was in the medieval

01:03:07.800 era or even in the pre-modern era. Okay. They fought against evil. They believed in what was right

01:03:13.280 and trying to enforce what was right. Okay. So that's why they would never do what the modern day,

01:03:18.880 uh, watered down Christian is doing. And I also think, um, a lot of Christians are making a virtue out of

01:03:26.080 a vice because it's easier to be that kind of a Christian. It's easier to be non-confrontational

01:03:31.420 and to just let everything happen and never open your mouth. Yeah. And, um, so the truth is a lot

01:03:38.020 of the Christians who do this, it's just, they're really cowards and they don't want to stand up for

01:03:41.840 what's right. And then, then they pat themselves on the back saying, Oh, I'm being a good Christian

01:03:45.760 because Jesus told me to be a doormat. Yeah. And that would have been so unintelligible

01:03:49.300 to any Christian denomination, Catholic Orthodox or Protestant historically. Yeah. Okay. So I do

01:03:56.300 think Christians have forgotten our responsibility to restrain evil and to push back against evil for

01:04:02.940 the sake of the vulnerable. I mean, you talk about those who forged the crusades, caring for the

01:04:07.740 vulnerable women, children, people who couldn't defend themselves. I mean, it's the same thing with

01:04:12.300 a lot of issues today. We push back against those pushing evil because of the people over here who are

01:04:18.040 being affected by those evil policies or actions or whatever. I think the hard thing is that

01:04:23.120 Christians want to know, like on an everyday basis is what does that muscular Christianity look like?

01:04:28.340 Because at the end of the day, I've got way more Muslims in my neighborhood. I've got a mosque

01:04:33.520 really close to my house that wasn't there 10 years ago. And that's just reality. And I'm just a mom.

01:04:39.820 And so I think a lot of people don't know what to do. So they flee to like the country, hoping that like,

01:04:45.240 you know, it doesn't follow them there. And they just don't, they don't know. They see it's a

01:04:50.440 problem, but they don't know what to do. So what is your take on that?

01:04:54.420 Well, my take on that is the real problem. And believe it or not, I don't think the problem

01:04:58.320 right now is even Islam because Islam is inherently weak in the modern era. Islam is only a problem when

01:05:03.720 you let it be a problem. Okay. So if you look at Europe, for example, it's a huge problem

01:05:08.000 in various countries, right? The UK and France and Spain, Italy, most of Western Europe.

01:05:15.580 Meanwhile, in Hungary and Poland, there's not a problem. And why is that? Are they going to war?

01:05:21.020 No, they just said, no, thanks. Okay. So that is, so that my point is it's an easily fixed problem,

01:05:26.560 which goes back to what you were saying, you know, because they were confined to their own realm,

01:05:30.000 you know, um, they're not going to hurt you if they're there. Right.

01:05:33.000 So I think the, um, it's important to keep in mind, and that's why people get upset. One time

01:05:38.760 they're, you know, a lot of English people are saying Muslims are invading England. Sorry,

01:05:43.500 they're not, they're being welcomed in. There's a big difference. Okay. Invasion is when you're

01:05:47.740 resisting and fighting. Yeah, that's true. Okay. But when they're being brought in and treated like,

01:05:53.380 uh, kings, that's not an invasion. So my point is you, if you want to, before you can address a

01:05:59.280 problem, you have to locate the source. And it's actually a mistake to think the source is

01:06:02.980 the Muslims. Okay. The source is the people enabling and allowing this to happen. I often

01:06:07.840 give the analogy of, you know, if I, uh, if I go to a zoo and there's a, you know, a enclosure of

01:06:14.380 zebras, and then I put a line and then the line, lo and behold, kills the zebras. Who's really at

01:06:20.600 fault, me or the lion? I think it's me. The lion's doing what the lion's going to do. The Muslim's

01:06:26.260 going to do what the Muslim's going to do. But if you get, but it's the person who's insisting on

01:06:30.920 bringing them in and putting them in and, um, forcing you to suppress your culture and your

01:06:36.520 heritage and everything about your life so you can accommodate them, that's the problem. So I think,

01:06:42.520 um, you know, Islam is an inherent issue that can, that can be, it's very finite and can be dealt with,

01:06:47.900 especially if you don't live in the Islamic world. If you're a Christian or a non-Muslim living under

01:06:52.240 Islam, that's a different story. But in America, for example, or even Europe, you are creating your

01:06:57.080 own problem by inviting it in. Okay. So it's actually an easily fixed problem. Um, but it goes

01:07:04.420 back to what you're saying, this whole, you know, and you know, what's happening in the West where

01:07:09.720 it's not just that they're bringing them in is they also don't even have the sort of moral fiber to

01:07:15.340 respond anymore because it's been stripped away because to be a Christian, like I said,

01:07:19.700 the chief virtue is you're a doormat. You don't do anything. You don't argue. You don't speak up.

01:07:25.000 Okay. This would have been so bizarre for other Christians that would have been seen as evil

01:07:29.860 actually, because you're, you're an accomplice. Okay. I mean, is that how Jesus behaved? We forget

01:07:34.660 Jesus made a whip of cords and engaged in violence and hurled tables. Okay. So again, I'm not saying

01:07:41.420 Jesus is violent, but there's a time for everything. There's a time for resistance. There's a time for

01:07:45.980 forgiveness. There's a time for, and it seems like that everything has been stripped and it's just,

01:07:50.820 you're a doormat. I saw, um, I often mentioned this, um, the Superbowl, like maybe two years ago

01:07:56.700 and you know, to have a commercial in the, in the, in the Superbowl is like a big thing. Everyone's

01:08:01.820 watching it. And this commercial just pops up and it's just scenes, okay. Of, um, people sitting,

01:08:07.680 getting their feet washed. Right. And then at the very end it says, um, Jesus didn't preach hate.

01:08:12.920 He washed feet. He gets us. Yeah. Yeah. One of those. Right. And then, but there was something

01:08:18.400 interesting. It wasn't just random people washing random people's feet. Everyone on their hands and

01:08:22.460 knees was like a white woman or a white man who looks traditional conservative, maybe Christian

01:08:27.480 and everyone getting their foot washed was, um, a trans thing person, a Muslim man, a Muslim woman

01:08:34.920 in a hijab, um, and an illegal migrant apparently. Cause it's like at the border. All right. So that is,

01:08:41.000 that is the message they want Christians to embrace. If you want to be a Christian,

01:08:44.620 then your whole job is to just enable anything I want. Yeah. Serve me. Okay. And it's just sad

01:08:50.780 because I think a lot of Christians believe that's the case.

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01:09:58.760 endorsement. My opinions are my own. The whole blueprint, you know, of Islam is kind of like it's

01:10:11.060 catered to it's like, you know, think of a little boy wants to be a pirate and you, you know, you can

01:10:16.220 go have fun, go on adventures, kill, raid, do whatever you want. That's Islam. Okay. And that's when you look

01:10:22.140 at these guys, ISIS, and that's how they live. That's what they see themselves as, you know, we're these

01:10:26.140 heroes and we're on an adventure and we're going to have fun and then we're going to go to heaven when

01:10:30.300 we die. Um, so yeah, in a way it is kind of not very mature, but you can also see why it's appealing

01:10:35.960 to certain demographics. Like Andrew Tate. Yeah. Yeah. I think, uh, I don't know a whole lot about it.

01:10:42.640 I mean, I know what his, his thing is, but, um, you know, we can talk a little bit about how the appeal

01:10:49.400 of Islam and this sort of, you know, masculine Islam. And I think what's really going on

01:10:54.780 is, um, again, it's, it's not, it's not really Islam's fault in this case. It's just that we,

01:11:01.120 or people in the West have been put in such a position where we have no more role models for

01:11:05.900 ourselves. Okay. Because the Christians are not role models unless you, you understand who they

01:11:10.380 were. So as I talk about the real Christians in one of my book, Defenders of the West, and it talks

01:11:15.740 about how those Kings would actually stand up and fight against Islam, et cetera, et cetera. But if you're

01:11:20.500 a modern day Christian or just a Western person, what is our role model supposed to be as a man?

01:11:25.660 For example, there's just nothing there. And so when I see Westerners kind of gravitating towards,

01:11:32.160 let's say Islamic masculinity, it's because we literally have nothing here. So it kind of makes

01:11:38.760 sense. All right. I'll think I'll gravitate towards the Islamic thing before I'll want to go sit and hang

01:11:44.540 out with a man in drag. You know what I mean? If that's, that's the best that the West can come up with,

01:11:49.340 that's our alternative. So I think it's not that Islam is inherently attractive. No pre-modern

01:11:55.480 Christian would have found any of that, you know, but that's because they had their own masculine form

01:12:00.920 of faith and masculine heritage. But now that the West has been so stripped of all of that, when they

01:12:07.380 see Muslims living that way, it's kind of like, wow, I can, that's pretty cool, right? Powerful. Yeah.

01:12:13.060 Yeah. Because, but, but that's because we have absolutely, as a man, you're completely emasculated

01:12:17.940 here. Okay. So there's no, there's, it's in other words, once again, it's what the West is doing.

01:12:24.920 Okay. Is what's making Islam look appealing. Just like it's what the West is doing. That's making

01:12:30.080 Islam a problem and a threat in Europe because they're bringing them in. And again, the West is

01:12:35.380 emasculating men and it's just, uh, you know, the, the sexual perversion and this like weird gender

01:12:41.480 issues that are going on. It's really an appealing and despicable. So I, it makes sense for a Western

01:12:47.720 man to look anywhere else and find inspiration there because there's literally nothing here.

01:12:53.560 And I, I wish, I wish it was just, there's nothing. There's just the exact opposite. There's

01:12:57.360 just disgusting stuff. Yeah. I've heard stories from Christians who have spent time in the Middle East,

01:13:04.060 Christians who know the Muslim world well, and they talk about conversions of Muslims to Christianity.

01:13:09.800 Some say that this is happening at a greater rate than it was before. Um, do you think that that is

01:13:17.120 something that is happening? Is that a reason for us to be hopeful? No, that's, that's definitely a thing

01:13:22.220 that's happening. And a lot of Muslims complain about it. Uh, you know, like the, the serious radical

01:13:26.800 Muslims, I've seen them. I watch a lot of Arabic programming and, um, you know, I've seen where

01:13:31.980 Shaikhs and Muslims get up and complain and say millions of Muslims are leaving the faith for

01:13:35.660 Christianity because of usually Arabic speaking, um, you know, apologists and polemicists who talk

01:13:41.600 about Islam and Christianity. I watch their shows too. And very interesting because they expose

01:13:46.340 Muhammad. The problem is a lot of Muslims don't know the truth of their own religion.

01:13:50.240 Yeah. You know, they really don't. A lot of them do think it's moderate. A lot of them do think

01:13:53.940 Muhammad was a great guy. Okay. Cause they just, uh, it's there, it's hidden from them. A lot of the

01:13:58.720 clerics and the sheikhs are smart. They only introduce it sort of when, when the time is right.

01:14:03.240 Um, but of course a lot of them do know what it is. Um, but I, the, the, the conversion and an

01:14:09.360 apostasy out of Islam, that's definitely a real thing. And they all have very interesting, similar

01:14:13.380 stories, which makes it kind of, uh, a very interesting thing is the, the phenomena that

01:14:18.080 every Muslim that converts to Christianity seems to talk about. And this is the Jesus and dreams

01:14:23.380 talking to them. And this is not localized. Uh, it's everywhere. It's your Africans, African

01:14:29.320 Muslims will convert Arabs, Iran, Iranians, um, you know, all throughout it's kind of

01:14:34.940 Indonesians. And so that there's certainly something happening, uh, to that effect.

01:14:41.080 And a lot of Muslims, like I said, that's why there are a lot of these countries are

01:14:44.160 very restrictive towards a Christian in Iran. You know, uh, if you, if you're preaching

01:14:49.760 Christianity, you're immediately seen as an agent, uh, of Israel or America or both.

01:14:55.680 Okay. Because, uh, so they really restricted and they arrest them and they bust home

01:15:01.160 churches because there is, and it's, it's, it's interesting because to Muslims, it's

01:15:05.340 the opposite of what's happening to us. They don't, they're sick of Islam because of

01:15:09.240 what it really is. And they live the unadulterated form. And then when they're

01:15:13.440 introduced to real Christianity, okay, it's of course appealing. And that's

01:15:17.340 something that they start kind of wanting to gravitate towards.

01:15:20.720 Yeah. I can imagine maybe at some point that they start to detect the pattern

01:15:25.340 that Islam is also, it seems anti-civilization. Most majority Muslim countries

01:15:30.860 aren't good countries to live in. They're impoverished, they're restrictive. And so,

01:15:35.500 I mean, it seems that at some point they would kind of see the correlation. Wait,

01:15:39.800 why do I want to leave the country that is dominated by the beliefs I had? Any of us

01:15:44.380 Christians would love to live in a country that is dominated by the beliefs

01:15:47.240 that we have. And they have that in spades. They can go to so many places and have

01:15:51.800 what we can't have. And yet their countries are terrible.

01:15:54.760 And their countries are terrible because historically the economy of the Islamic world

01:15:59.300 was based on plunder. Okay. The Ottomans, for example, their entire economy

01:16:03.600 was based on conquering and enslaving and selling slaves and appropriating their possessions and

01:16:09.600 taking their land. Okay. They weren't exactly scientists, despite what you may hear. Okay.

01:16:14.760 That is what we hear.

01:16:15.720 That they invented math and science.

01:16:18.260 No, well, I mean, there's elements of...

01:16:20.320 Contributions, for sure.

01:16:21.360 There's contributions. And oftentimes it's not Muslims, it's Christians and Jews who were living

01:16:25.320 under Islam. Okay. And who maybe had converted a week earlier so they don't get killed. So they

01:16:31.720 were continuing the sort of thing that they had always been doing. But to just to give you,

01:16:36.700 and again, to just show you how topsy-turvy everything is taught. So I was talking about the

01:16:40.400 colonial era, which is always seen as the white man's sin, right? What he did.

01:16:46.380 Believe it or not, that was the best time for the people living in the Middle East,

01:16:51.280 in India, and in Africa.

01:16:52.820 Of course.

01:16:53.260 They admit it. Yeah. This was the best time. They were at a high level of civilization and economy

01:17:00.080 and health and nutrition was much, much better. Okay. And yet this is, but oh, the evil white man.

01:17:08.460 And if you compare and contrast that with areas where Muslims went and colonized. So for example,

01:17:14.500 in Spain, because that was a microcosm of jihad and crusade, because Muslims conquered it in the

01:17:19.600 8th century and they didn't get kicked out to like the 16th or 17th. And so the middle,

01:17:25.440 the Christians were mostly in the North and the Muslims were in the South during these wars.

01:17:29.120 The middle zone is like still, it's still infertile and completely devastated from nonstop warfare and

01:17:36.820 constant raids that the Muslims would have, were obligated as part of, it's a jihad doctrine to

01:17:42.820 go raiding every two years and kill as many Christians. So, so on the one hand, okay, Islam has

01:17:48.600 contributed nothing but death and destruction and conquest and slavery. And it's presented as this

01:17:53.460 wonderful, tolerant religion and Christian Europe and the West has, it's not perfect, obviously,

01:17:59.700 but it's actually brought science and health and nutrition and literacy. And it is presented as the

01:18:06.120 great evil one. And it's hard for me to start to actually believe that this topsy-turvy sort of

01:18:11.600 thing is just, is not by design and it's organic. I mean, this is definitely by design and it's pretty

01:18:17.140 diabolical.

01:18:17.780 It is very diabolical to our peril. You have a new book coming out in November.

01:18:23.440 Tell us what the title is and where people can pre-order it.

01:18:26.620 Sure. The title is The Two Swords of Christ, which actually speaks very much to what we're

01:18:31.520 talking about. And the subtitle is Five Centuries of War Between Islam and the Warrior Monks of

01:18:37.720 Christendom, The Knights of the Temple and the Hospital. And this is a perfect example, this book.

01:18:42.840 Um, so it's about the Templars and the Hospitallers who, again, if you, if you listen to like

01:18:48.140 conspiratorial history, they're not what they seem, but what these guys were. So let's talk

01:18:54.300 about the Hospitallers, for example, these were the guy, what these men were during the Holy Wars,

01:18:59.600 they were committed to helping pilgrims who were being killed and attacked by Muslims and giving them

01:19:05.460 medical aid and food, cleaning them, bathing them, giving them their beds. Okay. It was a hospice.

01:19:11.880 It was the, and it was the origin of the hospital. But before long, they realized that, you know,

01:19:17.760 you know, why don't we, why, why wait till, till Christian pilgrims are attacked and almost killed?

01:19:22.880 Why don't we nip it in the bud and protect them? So they took up arms. So these men who were,

01:19:27.980 you would think the most passive and they just care about health and helping you out became warriors

01:19:33.400 because that was, again, there was nothing wrong with that because we're defending against evil

01:19:38.420 aggressors. Right. So, and the Templars, the same thing. They were, you know, again,

01:19:43.620 these were war, holy monks, there were monks. Okay. Committed to God, but they saw no problem

01:19:49.400 and no contradiction in taking up the sword. And the reason I call it the two swords of Christ is

01:19:53.660 it goes back to the, um, the famous verse, I think in Luke, where Jesus says, you know, whoever,

01:19:58.660 if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. And the disciples say, Lord,

01:20:04.300 here's two swords. And he says, that's enough. Okay. Now today, here's again, perfect example of

01:20:09.860 modern Christian nonsense. Um, they've allegorized this verse into nothingness. It means nothing.

01:20:15.500 Now, what does it mean? It's not a sword. They'll tell you, but to pre-modern and definitely medieval

01:20:20.480 Christians, what it meant is there's two main evils that we can and should fight. One is spiritual

01:20:26.080 forces and that's a spiritual sword. And one is human evil forces and that's a secular sword. Okay.

01:20:32.760 And that is enough. Right. Because those are the two main enemies that you should fight and resist.

01:20:38.600 And, you know, people forget again, that Jesus, um, a lot of it is implied. So for example,

01:20:44.900 what does Jesus do when people, when he performs a miracle on someone, the first thing he tells them

01:20:50.140 is what go repent. Right. And when it came to the centurion, Roman centurion, he didn't tell him,

01:20:56.380 go repent and quit the army because you're responsible for the killing of probably thousands of people

01:21:01.580 as a centurion, um, commander. He didn't say that at all. So, uh, why same thing when soldiers went to

01:21:08.120 John the Baptist said, what must we do to be saved? He didn't tell them quit the army. He said, be

01:21:11.960 content with your wages. Okay. So for, again, what I'm trying to say is that for a lot of pre-modern

01:21:17.580 Christians, the issue of, you know, violence for a just cause was not, was not, not, not open to

01:21:24.420 debate. There was nothing contradictory about that and being a Christian. So anyway, that's what the book

01:21:28.860 is about the two swords of Christ. And it's also a little bit of a pun because I ended up writing

01:21:33.300 about two guys, the Templars and the hospitalers who, because they really took it to heart that it

01:21:39.100 was important to fight and defend their fellow men. Yeah. They became the two swords of Christ.

01:21:43.140 Yeah. Wow. This is so fascinating. I could talk to you for hours more, but I really encourage people

01:21:48.800 to not only pre-order the two swords of Christ, but go out and get his other books too. This has sparked

01:21:53.620 so much interesting conversation and given us so much knowledge in our home, my husband and I have

01:21:59.860 been just learning so much from you. So thank you for dedicating so many years to this and for talking

01:22:05.900 to us today. Thanks very much, Ellie. I'm very happy to hear all that.

01:22:23.620 Thank you.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - October 17, 2025

Ep 1255 ｜ Jihad vs. Jesus： Islam’s Plan to Conquer Christian America ｜ Raymond Ibrahim

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