Ep 1260 ｜ Charlie Kirk’s Replacement & Jen Hatmaker’s Shocking Paganism
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Summary
On today's episode of Relatable, Allie talks about the wisdom and perspective that can only come from someone older than you, and the wisdom that is passed down through the generations. She also talks about how important it is to have a good relationship with your parents and grandparents.
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We're living in a time when lies are really easy and the truth is costly.
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And nowhere is that more devastating than in the battle for life that rages through this country every day.
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Her first reaction to her pregnancy was abortion because that's the lie she was told.
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But once she heard the heartbeat of her child, she knew that God wanted her to have her baby and that all things would be possible through him.
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She was provided with the love, support, and the resources she needed.
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At Preborn Network Clinics, this happens on average 200 times a day across the country because of support from people like you.
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Moms who are overwhelmed and pressured suddenly see their child, hear the truth, and realize that they're not alone.
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Give now, dial pound 250, and say the keyword baby.
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The media is really trying to find an answer to that question.
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And the true answer isn't really what they're looking for.
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Also, Jen Hatmaker says you should wear the bikini because your body will always tell you the truth.
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We've got so much on today's episode of Relatable.
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It's brought to you by our friends at Good Ranchers.
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Hope everyone is having a wonderful week so far.
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If you have not listened to or watched the episode with my dad from Monday, you got to go back and do that.
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He truly gives, I think, the best advice, not just because of what he says, but because of how he says it.
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He has a way in my personal life of making me feel calmer about everything that's going on, talking me through things, making sure that I'm seen clearly and logically, not just thinking with my emotions.
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And, you know, I think that there is such a void in a lot of people's lives for fatherly advice.
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And obviously, my dad can't really replace that in your day-to-day life.
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But I do hope that the episodes with him are a comfort to you, that they also bring clarity, but that you also feel like you have him to kind of give the wisdom that can only be given to someone in an older generation.
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You know, boomers get a bad rap, and maybe in some cases, rightfully so, but we all need to respect the wisdom and the perspective that is gained just by age and experience.
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I mean, at the age of 33, I am realizing how much experience gives you when it comes to knowledge, when it comes to expertise, when it comes to ability, just living life and carrying out the responsibilities that come with life, both at home or outside of the home.
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And it just gives you so many tools in your tool belt.
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So it just makes sense for us to rely on the people who are older than us to lend us that insight that we just don't quite have yet.
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And that is one thing I think that is going to be really lost by people deferring, purposely deferring marriage and parenting until later.
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That means that means that the grandparents are going to be a lot older for their grandkids.
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That means they're not going to be around as long as they used to be when people were getting married earlier.
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And that precious wisdom, that generational insight that is passed down like a baton is going to be lost for a lot of people.
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I think there's so many unseen implications to the choice that so many people have made to not have kids or to put off having kids until everything falls in line and you've fulfilled your career goals and all of that.
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I know for you out there who watch this podcast, who is not married and don't have kids, it's probably not a choice that you have made.
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It's probably just where God has you right now, despite your own efforts and desires.
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But just in general, this trend of deferring those commitments, I think has robbed a lot of young people of the insight of grandparents and great grandparents.
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So, I hope that the episodes with my dad allow you to access something that either you already have in your life or maybe you don't.
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He'll be back, I think, in just a couple weeks.
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So, send in your questions, personal, economic, political questions, and he'll try to break them down for you.
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We've got quite a few things to talk about today.
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First, I just wanted to thank the Turning Point chapter at Louisiana State University.
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And, of course, this was supposed to be Charlie Kirk's tour.
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And he was going to go to all of these campus stops and do what he did the best of anyone, and that is debate, discuss, field questions, both combative questions and sincere questions.
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And I know I have learned from people close to him that he had been preparing for this fall so much by digging into his word and making sure that he was sharp when it came to his evangelism and his apologetic skills.
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And I think you could really see that in the last few months of his public life.
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But I'm honored to be one of the many people who is replacing Charlie on this particular tour.
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And actually, just a few weeks before he died, he texted me, a text between him, me, and Mikey McCoy saying, hey, I want you to join me on campus on November 3rd.
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It was either going to be Auburn, maybe the University of Alabama.
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And, of course, I was honored and excited to get to do that with Charlie again.
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That's something that we did a few years ago at Auburn as well.
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But it is clear that the Lord is multiplying the work that Charlie did before he died and that he is bringing many of the seeds that were planted to growth.
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He's going to do what he wants to do in all of us with Turning Point, in our lives, with Charlie's legacy.
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And on Monday night, I wanted my speech to be dedicated to five of the most controversial truths that Charlie spoke.
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Five of the most controversial truths that Charlie spoke.
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Number one, my first one was that feminism has failed women.
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And then five, what I think is probably the most controversial truth.
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And this is the truth that I believe Charlie died for.
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So here's me explaining that one, thought seven.
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Every single one of us falls short of God's perfect standard.
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He can't tolerate sin because he's a perfect holy God.
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And he could have just left us to pay for our sin.
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And the payment for our sin is death, not just here, but in eternity and hell forever.
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That's what he could have left us for, but he didn't.
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He sent his own son, Jesus, to die on the cross, to live a sinless life,
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and then to raise himself up by his own power three days later, defeating death.
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And by grace through faith, if you believe in that gospel,
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You'll get to spend eternity in heaven with God.
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So the crowd there giving a standing ovation for that statement that had nothing to do with me,
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but that crowd was enthusiastic about the gospel because that was the most important thing,
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And I had the opportunity, thankfully, to share the gospel there,
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because even with such an enthusiastically Christian crowd, you just never know.
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A lot of people who might believe they know the gospel or think that they know the tenets of Christianity don't,
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and it's never a bad idea to reiterate that, not only to other people, but also to ourselves.
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We should be preaching the gospel to ourselves for the increase of our faith on a daily basis.
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So of all the things that I said, and you can go watch the entire speech.
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I think it might even be on Blaze TV somewhere.
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But that is the most important, and that is always the most important.
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Here's a very controversial truth that Charlie talked about,
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and that is that America is not a secular nation, but a Christian nation, Saudi.
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All of the founders, at the very least, understood that it was the direction of Providence,
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the creator of the universe, the giver of all rights,
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that laid the foundation for this country as the source of liberty and the author of morality.
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And without recognizing that, America does not make sense.
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They're going to say, that's Christian nationalism,
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because you can't possibly love your country and be a Christian.
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You can't believe how the founders believed about the creator giving us rights.
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You can't believe those things because that somehow makes you a scary Christo-fascist.
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Well, here's what I have to say to that, Sat Naing.
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Let me just tell you what this whole Christian nationalism attack is.
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It is a manipulation tactic in order to silence conservative Christians and conservative Christians alone.
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We are the only ones who are told if we bring our worldview to the table or to the voting booth,
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But the secular progressive gets to bring the fullness of their worldview to the table.
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They get to vote in their strange beliefs that a baby isn't a full human until after they come out of the birth canal.
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If you listen to my show, if you watch my show, then you've heard me say that before.
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The belief that a man can become a woman isn't some neutral secular belief.
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And yet progressives believe that they can bring the fullness of their worldview to the voting booth.
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And their very arbitrary, weird moral opinions can inform our laws and our policies.
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Of course, every single law is a moral opinion.
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Every single law is based on one particular worldview.
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And Christians have not only the right, but also the responsibility to bring our biblical worldview to the table when discussing policy.
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But if we believe that God's way is better, if we know that God is love, 1 John 4, 8,
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if we understand that he is the creator of the universe and therefore the authority over all of it,
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Jesus is the king of kings, and the king of kings cannot be compartmentalized.
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I also got to do a Q&A with a bunch of the students, and I don't have time to play all of those for you today.
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I am going to be posting a lot of those interactions on Instagram over the next few days,
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because some of them were just so sweet and sincere.
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She said that she's about to get baptized, and she said she wants to be bold like Charlie Kirk,
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You're coming up to the microphone in a spotlight, able to articulate this question so courageously and beautifully.
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But the truth is, and this is true for all of you out there, especially you teens that listen to this or watch this with your parents,
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You're going to be the girl and the woman that God has called you to be.
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You are going to live out every single one of your days that God has already mapped out for you.
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He has a purpose and an intention for your life.
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He has given you particular gifts, particular skills, a particular propensity that is unique to you,
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that he is going to use for his glory to make the world around you look more like the kingdom of heaven,
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And so none of us need to be thinking about how we're going to be the next someone else
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or how we're going to fill this person's shoes or who is going to take that place.
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You just run the race that God has marked for you, and he is going to equip you to do that.
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He equips those that he calls and that he ordains, and he will do that for you.
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You don't have to try to have a particular platform.
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You don't have to be an influencer to have influence, because God doesn't judge our obedience
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or our effectiveness by whether we have an audience of five people or an audience of five million people.
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It's how do we steward what he has given us in accordance with his word by the power of the Holy Spirit.
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I was hoping for more debates, but with a guy who says that he's conservative, but he actually thinks that abortion is nuanced and not black and white.
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And so we had a good back and forth, and I will post that on Instagram at some point.
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But speaking of this topic of replacing Charlie Kirk, who is going to take his place?
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This has been a discussion and a conversation for a long time.
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There was this article that came out about me in the Wall Street Journal, and the headline of the article, this is Full Screen 39,
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The Christian Podcaster Rallying a New Generation of Conservative Women.
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And, you know, I was very thankful for this profile.
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And this journalist, her name is Elizabeth, she attended Chair of the Arrows, and she was very fascinated that, wow,
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Okay, there are almost 7,000 women at this event from six different countries, from 48 different states, from all different socioeconomic backgrounds,
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some people who are new Christians, some people who have been Christians for a long time,
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some people who are conservative, but they're still trying to understand, you know, the spiritual world and what it means to be a Christian.
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And I think she was genuinely impressed by that, and so she wanted to write an article about it, and I'm thankful.
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She's someone who comes from a, you know, a liberal feminist perspective, so I didn't expect her to be on my same page with everything,
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and we'll get into kind of like how that manifested itself in this article, but there's just one thing that I want to say.
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So I read you the title of the article, and that was not, the title of the article was Fine and Honoring,
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The Christian Podcaster Rallying a New Generation of Conservative Women.
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What was actually tweeted out was different than the headline.
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And I just want to read you what it said, and I want to give you my response.
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In case this is something that you have heard from other people, I want to make clear what my response is to this kind of framing.
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Podcaster Allie Beth Stuckey is emerging, the Wall Street Journal says, as an heir apparent to Charlie Kirk
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with a message about Christianity and motherhood that resonates with young conservative women.
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So let me just be clear about this, because I've noticed as I've talked to a variety of journalists,
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and maybe this is happening to other conservative commentators as well, that they really want to ask me this question.
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And they really want me, it seems, to answer a certain way.
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And this is genuinely what I believe and how I feel every time, because Religion News Service also asked me this same question.
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And they did print my answer, which I appreciated.
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That journalist said something along the lines of, do you see yourself as like stepping into his place,
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you know, evangelist, apologist, kind of trying to rally young women in the same way that he did for young men.
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And what I said to her is that Charlie was an anomaly.
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He was not only an incredible evangelist and an apologist, he was also an activist.
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He led an entire organization, and he cared very much, as he should.
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This was his role, and he was so good at it, at getting as many people to vote for liberty as possible.
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And he did so many other things that I not only don't do, but also do not feel called or equipped to do.
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And I just want it to be clear that no matter what a headline is or what the Wall Street Journal wants to put out,
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that this is not at all how I or I don't think any other conservative commentator wants to be positioned.
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I am very grateful for the small part that I get to play carrying the torch of evangelism and persuasion.
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And I am grateful for every opportunity I have to do that.
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I saw one person even say, oh, like, I'm trying to rebrand or something since Charlie tragically was assassinated.
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Those of you who have been following me, I am exactly the same.
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Those of you who know me know that I have been talking about the things that I talk about for years.
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The messaging, the tone, the content, nothing has changed.
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And so I am doing exactly what I told that young 13-year-old young woman girl to do at LSU.
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I am running the race that God has marked out for me.
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And that's not going to look the same as anyone else's.
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And Turning Point and Erica Kirk are doing an excellent job of carrying Charlie's legacy.
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And Erica and Erica alone understands Charlie's mind and what he envisioned.
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And they are the people that are carrying that out.
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I'm over here doing what God has called me to do.
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I will continue as long as he calls me to, as long as he equips me to.
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To encourage and empower the people who think like I do.
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And to educate and persuade the people who don't.
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That has been my goal with Relatable since the beginning.
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And while I love my Related Bros, my heart is Christian women.
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There are people who fall outside of that demographic.
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That will continue to be what Relatable is about.
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Okay, so the Christian podcasts are rallying a new generation of conservative women.
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I kind of sent the screenshots to my team out of order.
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So we're just going to read them in the order that I have them and hope for the best.
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And I just, I'm going to like, you know, I love to do this.
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I love to dissect messaging and press releases and things like that.
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And I hope that it also gives you the tools to be able to dissect articles like this to
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show you the subtle messaging and what they're trying to signal to their particular liberal
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So here she quotes me, and this is in my opening speech.
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This is a spiritual battle that's waged in our homes and in our neighborhoods.
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Every step you take, every decision you make, and every word you say is a declaration of
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And something I saw throughout this article was the attempt to really highlight like the
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But of course, you guys know that I'm talking spiritually.
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And actually, I make that point that this isn't primarily about politics.
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This is not primarily about making you an activist.
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I said over and over again, this is a spiritual war that is waged in your homes with your children.
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If you're a stay-at-home mom, if you are part of the PTA, like if you are just a neighbor
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in a community, like this is a spiritual war that is being waged, that all of us are called
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to fight on a daily basis by advancing the gospel in every area of our lives.
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And then this description of Share the Arrows makes me laugh.
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Outraged by progressivism and alarmed by the killing of conservative activist Charlie Kirk.
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It just was like, oh, wow, that was so surprising.
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Stuckey aims to mobilize a swath of conservative Christian women ranging from dyed-in-the-wool
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At her second annual Share the Arrows conference, women traveled from across the country and as
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far away as Australia to hear the tenets of her gospel.
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Have I ever said, has anyone ever said, even on our motherhood panel, that motherhood is
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She didn't include this great alliteration that even if you are not going to be a biological
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mother or even an adoptive mother, maybe God never calls you to get married, that no matter
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what stage of life you are in, God's joy is available to you in Christ right now.
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That's not something that you can have later on.
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That's a trick of the devil to tell you that you can't be fulfilled or joyful until you get
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to some stage of life, which you don't even know if it's promised to you.
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You have the fullness of joy at Christ's right hand right now if you are a Christian woman
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and you can channel your mothering instincts into children, into mentorship and discipleship
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You don't need to direct that energy into pets, plants, profession, or politics primarily.
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You channel that mothering instinct into children in some way.
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She included motherhood is queen, which I did not say.
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She also says Stucky sees herself competing with progressive churches for the mushy middle.
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Christians who are scared of politics or who veer to the left.
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Her platform includes more than 2 million followers across her Instagram.
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And then she talks more about statistics and Glenn Beck is an early supporter of me, which
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And then she says in my interview with her, I talked to this journalist for a while via
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She said Stucky said that whenever she speaks publicly, she imagines one fictional woman.
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The 35 or 40 year old suburban mom of three or four kids that is busy is trying to do her
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best to glorify God in her own life, to study the Bible more, and then to raise up her kids
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Women in turn, she says, say they are drawn to Stucky because she herself fits that description.
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For decades, much of the evangelical world's focus has been on young men, a group that has
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been returning to traditional churches and helped elect President Trump.
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Now with evangelicals growing in political power, but not in numbers, according to Public
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Religion Research Institute, Stucky is assembling a large and varied cohort of conservative Christian
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women and urging them to speak up on issues they believe are important.
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I think that's a really important paragraph because I think that our demographic Christian
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women, Christian conservative women, that we are really overlooked.
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There are a lot of Christian women, you guys know, that are social justice advocates that
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believe in all of the BLM propaganda, like our little sliver over here, where we are truly
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conservative, trying our best to be biblical on all of these things, avoiding toxic empathy,
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not believing secular narratives on things like immigration, like we definitely are in
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the minority, but we are here and we are a significant voting block.
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And I think that it is interesting that the media now, I mean, we've got Dallas Morning
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News, we've got the Wall Street Journal, we've got the New York Times, the Washington Post
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also published something in PR, all about Share the Arrows.
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And that even the mainstream and the secular world is noticing, hey, something's going on
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Like something's happening there and I don't really know what it is and I don't really know
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But clearly, this demographic, these women that we thought all kind of would eventually
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Yes, I would say the vast majority of us voted for Donald Trump.
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You guys know I voted for Donald Trump three times now and encourage my audience to do the
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same, but we're not your traditional like MAGA Republicans.
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And I think that the media wants us to look like that.
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And I think they want us to believe that we unconditionally support the Republican Party
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and every politician, that we idolize Donald Trump.
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And you know what this what this journalist pointed out?
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Um, study, uh, Stuckey didn't address Trump or other politicians at the event.
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She told the journal, I care about the issues underneath the issues.
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And I think that that is probably a little scary for the secular world that we are not
00:31:08.100
just looking at superficial politics, that our worldview and our politics are grounded in
00:31:13.960
much deeper convictions and much deeper beliefs.
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The journalists that were there didn't hear any crazy conspiracy theories.
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They didn't hear, you know, a political rallying cry.
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You know how much I believe that politics are important, but something much deeper and more
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theological than that, more grounded than that.
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And I'm very thankful that at least the media is trying to understand us and who we are.
00:31:38.800
We just have to continue to be sweet, to be bold, to be persuasive, um, to be compassionate
00:31:52.380
Um, she said in Fullscreen47, among the Christian stuff, she puts in quotes that Stuckey believes
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There are only two genders determined at conception.
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She also believes abortion is murder and in vitro fertilization, surrogate parenthood and
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hormonal birth control are wrong, including in marriage.
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This kind of shocked, I think some of you on Instagram, when I posted this, maybe your
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new followers, but you can type in on YouTube, Allie Beth Stuckey IVF or Allie Beth Stuckey
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surrogacy, Allie Beth Stuckey hormonal birth control.
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And all of my episodes for the past five years on those subjects will come up.
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She talked to some of you, Fullscreen48, Elizabeth Olson, a 43 year old nurse from Apple Valley,
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Minnesota, who brought her mom to the conference, left feeling encouraged.
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There's something about being around other Christians, knowing you won't be mocked or
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looked down on as stupid for believing in the Bible.
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She says, like many other women at the conference, Olson finds the national discord of the past
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Increasingly, people feel like they can't say what they really think.
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She credits Stuckey and the other speakers with challenging her to speak, uh, speak up
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We're tired of living under the weight of being told we're hateful when we know we aren't.
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We want to take the thoughts and feelings of those we disagree with into consideration,
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They came to have no fear of man, to remember that they're not alone.
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Someone who lives in Minnesota, someone who lives in California, someone who lives in Oregon,
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Fullscreen44, uh, Catherine Metrick, uh, 37 year old stay at home mom, uh, from California
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drove 20 hours with 10 women from her church, including her mother-in-law and one-year-old daughter.
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She called it absolutely wonderful to be in a room with other women who share the same
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The people who came from all across the country made the sacrifices necessary to do that.
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And again, it just goes to show that something is going on spiritually, not just in this country,
00:34:08.080
And you know, people complain so much about women being liberal, which yes, I've complained
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It is something worth complaining about and, you know, being disturbed by, but I am trying
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my best in my small way to persuade women and to change women's mind using the Bible
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and using the power of persuasion from a very genuine place.
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I believe these things because I believe I see them in God's word and I want you to believe
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So take my arguments and see if when you weigh them against truth, weigh them against logic,
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And a lot of people want me to address like criticism that I got after share the arrows
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from people saying a woman shouldn't be doing this.
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And I don't want to give air to all of those people because I know they really, really want
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to be platforms and they want the attention and they want your eyeballs and your ears.
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And I'm not going to give them that, but look, I am a woman who has been called to try to
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I don't have any desire to be like a leader of men.
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That is, that is not my goal, but you can't complain that women are liberal and then also
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complain about the person that is trying really hard to change that.
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Um, she also mentions that there were a lot of babies there and that I said from the stage
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Um, and then let's see the last thing that I had shared that she posted.
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And this is true that sharing the arrows I said means that we are staring down the darkness
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You've seen a lot of the heat that I've taken over the past few weeks and I'm not trying to
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You know, I've heard before this quote, I think it's actually from Todd Wagner, that
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leadership is a commitment to being misunderstood, um, but not only misunderstood, but also misrepresented.
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But I do really, really appreciate all of your prayers and the arrows that you have shared
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I want to read you this quote by Jen Hatmaker, y'all Jen Hatmaker.
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She's had a lot of good PR, uh, when it comes to this book and it is about the truly,
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and I don't say this with any snark whatsoever, the truly tragic disintegration of her marriage.
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But what is even more tragic is the disintegration of her Christianity and how she has adopted
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secularism, how she has now decided to worship the God of self rather than the God of scripture.
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But she has exchanged Christianity for these new age beliefs that of course, Oprah herself
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Women contain a deep wisdom that not only leads us well, but could heal the earth.
00:39:44.300
When my internalized misogyny asserts its conditioned response to defend abusive systems,
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You know, sometimes my body tells me that I'm hungry after I've eaten like a thousand
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Sometimes my body is like, you need crumble cookies right now.
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Sometimes my body, because I'm tired and because I'm, you know, like stressed about something,
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sometimes my body tells me you should be irritable.
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Sometimes my body, my hormones, my hunger, my lack of sleep, the million things that go
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on in the world that affect our bodies tell us things that are not true.
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They give us cues that don't actually point us in the right direction.
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Our bodies are made in the image of God, but they are not like God.
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Now, gosh, what did the serpent say to Eve in the Garden of Eden?
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You will not surely die if you take a bite of the fruit of this tree, which the God who
00:41:10.020
created you and loves you strictly forbade you from eating.
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You'll just have the wisdom and the power that God had.
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Jen Hatmaker has taken a bite of the apple and she believes that her body is like God,
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has this kind of Gnostic transcendent knowledge, this like ancient goddess-like wisdom that
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What a heavy burden to bear that we have to be the interpreters of the truth that our body
00:41:43.180
That's not to say that our emotions or that our hunger or that the cues that our body tells
00:41:50.900
This is information that our minds have to process, but they all have to go through the
00:41:55.900
prism of absolute truth, which of course is Jesus Christ, which is the word of God.
00:42:01.820
So Jen Hatmaker goes on to say, our life's work is to reject those capitalistic patriarchal
00:42:07.060
narrative systems that have conspired to keep us at war with our bodies.
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How has capitalism kept me at war with my body?
00:42:17.100
How has the patriarchy kept me at war with my body?
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By the way, is the patriarchy in the room with us right now?
00:42:25.220
How is the patriarchy making you at war with your body?
00:42:28.300
Maybe we just need to flesh that out in a conversation.
00:42:31.740
Capitalism makes my body very happy because it means I don't have to stand in a bread line.
00:42:36.320
I'm happy about how capitalism allows me to go to a gym that is competing for my business
00:42:44.540
and allows me to choose between lots of different food options.
00:42:48.240
I'm very happy that capitalism actually doesn't make me at war with my body.
00:42:52.860
And by the way, it's not capitalism or patriarchy that is actually making women at war with their
00:42:59.220
Because feminism has degraded this special and unique capacity to give and to bear and sustain
00:43:10.560
She also goes on to say, if we hate how we look, these systems own us.
00:43:25.100
You know, sometimes things sound really profound, but this is what I want you to do when you're
00:43:30.760
reading something or listening to something like this.
00:43:36.120
There's actually quite a few people that do this.
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They say something that sounds really eloquent or sounds really catchy because the pacing
00:43:48.760
But then you start thinking about it and you're like, I don't think that actually meant
00:43:53.700
And that's actually the hallmark of really good propaganda, of effective propaganda.
00:43:57.960
Because you, like trans women are women, or love is love, or social justice is justice,
00:44:08.160
So you're no longer critically analyzing anymore, but you're just repeating the circular mantras.
00:44:12.920
But if you don't define those terms, then of course, those circular mantras don't mean anything.
00:44:17.760
So I don't understand if we hate how we look at these systems on a spot.
00:44:28.380
When we despise ourselves, we do their dirty work and in so doing become their most powerful
00:44:39.620
Those of you who are watching this on YouTube, I want you to interpret this for me.
00:44:46.380
I'm sure that I am just so, my mind is so dominated by capitalism and the patriarchy
00:44:51.960
that I cannot understand what Jen Hatmaker's truth-filled body is trying to convey to all
00:44:59.920
Our bodies are beautiful, she says, truly, all of them, gorgeous inside and out.
00:45:04.700
I do believe because all people are made in the image of God, there is beauty in every
00:45:17.560
She says, they're deserving of the good lotions, the good sex, the good words, the good interventions.
00:45:23.220
They should be heeded like the safest, smartest, truest, most knowing source of wisdom possible
00:45:42.620
It's true, she says, your body is not the enemy.
00:45:47.180
And I want to tell that to people who have an abortion, that your body, your baby's body,
00:45:54.720
Your biology, the reality that you were made male or female at conception, that's not the
00:46:03.820
People who identify as the opposite sex, which Jen Hatmaker 100% supports, even in children,
00:46:09.360
she's been outspoken about this, protect trans kids.
00:46:13.000
People who are mutilating their bodies through hormone blockers, puberty blockers and cross-sex
00:46:18.440
hormones and double mastectomies, that is literally bloody war with your body.
00:46:23.780
So she doesn't even agree with what she's saying.
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But your body is the most knowing source of wisdom possible?
00:46:38.340
She is your best friend, your body, says Jen Hatmaker.
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Because your body is a dwelling place for the Holy Spirit.
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Because your body was knitted together with intention and purpose and love in the womb.
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And there is going to be a bodily resurrection of the believers.
00:47:30.820
In Jen Hatmaker's New Age worldview, the belief that you can deny your biology to become something
00:47:37.300
different, that you can deny your innate capability to bear a child through abortion, even the
00:47:45.440
denial of reproductive reality when two men or two women try to marry each other.
00:47:50.060
You know, Elisa Childers told me something, and I used it in my Jubilee debate, and this
00:47:56.300
But she said, you know, everyone has like a full digestive system, a full circulatory system.
00:48:03.800
The only system in our body that is incomplete, that we only have half of, is our reproductive
00:48:11.040
Everyone only has half of the reproductive system.
00:48:13.760
Your digestive system can do what it needs to do by itself.
00:48:18.100
Your reproductive system cannot reproduce without the other half of the reproductive system.
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Don't you think that science, like if our body is really a source of wisdom and insight,
00:48:28.420
don't you think our reproductive system tells us a little bit of something about how we should
00:48:34.740
And of course, that's God in his creation telling us that.
00:48:38.280
And by the way, none of this means that you should be wearing the bikini.
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We have talked about this before about modesty.
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It doesn't necessarily mean legalistic rules about what you are wearing, but there are good
00:48:55.700
It's about the dignity and the honor and the humility of the heart.
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But that should manifest itself in what we wear externally.
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And I don't see how anything that she says has to do with that.
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They do not have a gospel of liberation for you.
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This is a burdensome gospel that places you in the place of God.
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So I asked my audience before my dad's episode, what is your biggest national concern, political
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So I've got, I don't know, 845,000 followers on Instagram.
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What is your biggest national political concern?
00:51:25.240
The feeling that, oh, these churches are being replaced by mosques.
00:51:31.220
These leaders of places like New York City and Dearborn and Minnesota are Muslim.
00:51:41.420
And of course, you listened to or watched my episode with Raymond Ibrahim, and we talked
00:51:50.360
Why are there some verses that seem peaceful and some verses that seem very violent?
00:51:58.360
And why does it manifest itself the way that it does?
00:52:01.260
And why do Muslims move to non-Sharia countries if they want Sharia enacted everywhere?
00:52:14.300
And so I posted this on X that by far, this was my biggest answer.
00:52:21.900
And then I got this really strange reaction from some people on the right or who say that
00:52:26.160
they're on the right anyway, saying, oh, this was this is not true.
00:52:35.300
This is like a propaganda movement from like the pro-Israel crowd on the right from dispensationalist,
00:52:46.300
Like we have been talking about the dangers of Islam at least since 9-11.
00:52:51.080
Conservatives have been talking about the dangers of Islam for a very long time.
00:52:56.560
This has been at the forefront of conversation at least on and off for years.
00:53:09.040
I don't have that kind of theology that you guys think that all evangelicals have about Israel.
00:53:19.280
It is concerning to me that there is a segment of the right that is soft on Islam.
00:53:26.180
That you think that Islam and Christianity have things in common.
00:53:29.700
That you think that there is some alliance happening between Christians and Muslims because we both don't agree with homosexuality.
00:53:42.960
I'm not saying every one individual Muslim wants to kill all Christians.
00:53:47.060
But Islam as a religion is responsible for most of the persecution against Christians.
00:53:53.580
I mean, our brothers and sisters in Nigeria who are being slaughtered right now are being slaughtered by the Islamic regime there in Nigeria.
00:54:09.960
Does it just come from this animosity that a lot of these people on the right now have toward Israel?
00:54:16.400
Just understand that you are the ones who have shifted on that.
00:54:20.640
Like, you don't have to pay for someone to have eyes.
00:54:25.620
All you have to have is eyes and ears to see that Islam leads to domination, to conquest, to degradation, and to tyranny.
00:54:34.800
Every single place that it goes into more glorification of violence, that it is anti-Christian, and it hates Christianity.
00:54:43.340
And by the way, like, Muslims typically vote Democrat.
00:54:47.560
They typically are on the progressive side, and a lot of people are confused by that.
00:54:51.940
Why would they do that when they align with conservative values on so many things?
00:54:55.880
Oh, did you not realize the alliance that is shaping up?
00:54:59.420
You didn't realize that the one commonality between LGBTQ activists and Islam is a hatred of Christianity?
00:55:07.340
That is the common thread that's going on there.
00:55:23.180
I am concerned with a lot of changes that I'm seeing on the right.
00:55:27.140
The truth is that Charlie Kirk kept a lot of crazy at bay.
00:55:31.740
And he expanded the parameters of what could be talked about a lot.
00:55:42.740
But there were certain things that were just, like, off limits.
00:55:45.980
And he was kind of a gatekeeper, honestly, of mainstream Christianity.
00:55:52.700
And so now we're platforming the worst people in the world who are, by no definition, conservative.
00:56:02.620
I don't know what the future of conservatism looks like.
00:56:06.120
I don't know what the future of the right looks like.
00:56:07.880
I don't know what the future of the Republican Party looks like.
00:56:11.600
And it can make me really sad, honestly, and really anxious.
00:56:16.720
Because I think things were a lot more clear when, like, Charlie was at the helm.
00:56:25.660
Some of the biggest voices are not biblically sound, are not morally clear.
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But to go back to the beginning of this episode, the only thing that I focus on is doing what
00:56:45.480
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This is a Christian perspective about the lies on parenting.
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And y'all, I have had one line from that interview ringing in my head every single day.
00:58:28.860
And this is just think about this before the interview, and then you'll hear him explain
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You are not bound by your hormones or how your body makes you feel.
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He is unpacking so many lies with biblical truth on Friday.
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We have so much to look forward to in that conversation.
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I think it's going to be really educational and refreshing for you.