Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1263 ｜ My 'Feminist' Speech Controversy： A Biblical Response

00:00:00.560 A clip from one of my speeches went viral on X and ignited quite the controversy and

00:00:07.240 argument about what women's role is, not only in the body of Christ, but also in society

00:00:14.300 as a whole.

00:00:15.680 So we'll talk about all of that today.

00:00:17.620 Also, it is time to share the arrows.

00:00:19.940 We've got a professional soccer player who is speaking out in defense of women and girls.

00:00:24.960 She's getting trashed for it, but not here.

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00:00:31.880 and true.

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00:00:51.340 Hey, guys.

00:00:52.140 Welcome to Relatable.

00:00:53.100 Happy Wednesday.

00:00:54.220 Hope everyone has had a wonderful week so far.

00:00:56.200 I'm recording this on Tuesday before the results of Election Day, and so I can't give

00:01:02.280 my commentary on the results of the New York City election or the Virginia election.

00:01:06.400 I have a feeling that the New York City election did not go a happy way, and we'll see about

00:01:12.900 Virginia and if the people there had any sense not to elect someone who endorsed a guy who

00:01:19.700 supports murdering his political enemies and their children.

00:01:23.120 So, I can't cast a vision on that one yet.

00:01:27.740 I'll have more commentary, I'm sure, on social media today.

00:01:31.080 We are going to be talking about a theological topic, and that is women in the church and

00:01:36.180 really women in the world.

00:01:38.440 So, let me set up why we are talking about this today, and it has to do with a controversy

00:01:44.540 that I would call a pretty manufactured controversy.

00:01:47.240 And we're going to talk about this to understand the context of why we're discussing this topic,

00:01:53.780 but it's really not about this.

00:01:55.380 I hope that this really offers you, yes, clarity, but more than anything, courage.

00:02:00.860 And not only as a Christian woman, but also just in general.

00:02:06.180 This is about not being swayed by people's opinions, whether they are positive or negative.

00:02:11.820 This is about running the race that has been marked out for you by the God who created you

00:02:17.860 and who has filled you with his Holy Spirit and staying steadfast on that path, no matter

00:02:24.020 what the chatter is of the people around you.

00:02:27.120 So, let me set up what is going on.

00:02:29.460 And if you listen to Monday's episode, you heard me talk about this a little bit, and you

00:02:34.740 might have heard me reference being a bit discouraged on Instagram, and I've got the best audience

00:02:40.460 in the world.

00:02:41.280 You guys rushed to pray for me and to edify me, and there were so many notes sent and messages

00:02:50.500 sent that just reminded me not only of how amazing you guys are and the audience that

00:02:56.560 has been built here at Relatable, but also just the truth of God's Word and truly just the

00:03:04.180 best community ever.

00:03:05.400 But let me tell you a little bit more about this controversy that has lasted over days

00:03:11.760 on X.

00:03:12.980 So, there is a segment of males on the right, presumably the political right, who also profess

00:03:20.160 to be Christians, who have been expressing their utter indignation that I gave a speech

00:03:27.220 at a Turning Point USA campus stop.

00:03:30.380 And that in that speech, I talked about the dangers of pornography, and maybe some of

00:03:36.840 you guys have seen this clip.

00:03:38.980 It was well-received on Instagram.

00:03:41.800 Instagram is like the last bastion of sanity.

00:03:45.240 On social media, it got a million views, and men and women who follow me on Instagram

00:03:50.760 were in agreement with what I said.

00:03:53.140 But on X, it wasn't received that way.

00:03:55.980 Instead, I was called a feminist, I was called a bad mom, a negligent wife who was trying to 0.99

00:04:01.620 act like a man.

00:04:02.900 I was told that I should only talk to women or that I should not talk at all, that women 1.00

00:04:07.420 have no place in the public square.

00:04:10.680 These are not just, well, they are kind of random accounts, but they're not just accounts

00:04:15.360 with 30 followers.

00:04:16.420 I'm talking about accounts with followings.

00:04:19.820 They're largely anonymous, but they are part of what I would call a growing segment of online

00:04:24.380 commentary.

00:04:25.580 And one day, for those of you, my sweet audience members, a lot of whom are not on X and are

00:04:31.440 just not super online, I am going to like draw out a map.

00:04:36.400 I don't know.

00:04:37.020 I'm going to like put up a whiteboard, or maybe I'll draw it out, and we'll make a graphic

00:04:40.880 of all of these different segments of the internet, all of the different segments of

00:04:45.960 the right, because I do think there's a lot of confusion.

00:04:48.560 There's like weird crossover with different Israel views.

00:04:53.020 It's all strangely interconnected, and if you're not super inundated in that, which you shouldn't

00:04:59.760 be, then it might be a little bit confusing to try to figure out who these people actually

00:05:04.760 are.

00:05:05.500 This kind of criticism is not exactly new.

00:05:10.160 It's newer in that it's kind of been prevalent over the past couple years or so.

00:05:16.740 It comes and goes every few months.

00:05:18.500 But this is a big shift from how it used to be.

00:05:22.460 A lot of these people are in the Reformed theology camp.

00:05:25.740 I am in the Reformed theology camp.

00:05:27.960 A lot of them are, you know, who they would call trad Catholics. 0.92

00:05:31.840 And so it's a lot of like Reformed Presbyterian and Baptist people and a lot of Catholics and

00:05:38.140 a lot of people who just, I mean, by the fruit of what they say are not Christians by any

00:05:43.380 definition, but what they kind of like, I don't know, the Christian aesthetic or the Christian

00:05:48.660 ethos or the authority that they think Christianity gives them.

00:05:52.280 And so they kind of use it as a cudgel against people.

00:05:54.740 And this has certainly changed, I think, in the past few years on the side of conservatism.

00:06:01.220 So as I said last week, I spoke at Turning Point last Monday.

00:06:06.160 This, of course, was supposed to be Charlie's campus tour.

00:06:09.480 He was supposed to be at LSU.

00:06:11.420 He would have done a fantastic job.

00:06:13.900 And he had texted me in August asking if I could join him on November 3rd in Alabama

00:06:20.260 at a campus.

00:06:21.580 And I was excited to do that.

00:06:23.920 But of course, that didn't pan out.

00:06:25.740 And so when Turning Point asked if I would instead come to Louisiana State University,

00:06:29.820 I was honored to do that.

00:06:32.040 And in order to honor Charlie, my speech reflected five of the most controversial truth that Charlie

00:06:40.520 taught the first one and the longest one was that feminism has failed women. 0.99

00:06:47.440 Feminism has failed women. 1.00

00:06:49.160 It has encouraged things like promiscuity, abortion, putting all of your energy into professions,

00:06:55.640 into plants, into pets, into politics instead of people.

00:06:59.740 And I emphasize that all women in one way or another are called to mother.

00:07:05.260 Here is the clip of me making that argument.

00:07:08.740 Women, you were given this unique capacity to create and then sustain life. 1.00

00:07:15.100 And for so long, feminism has told us that this is an obstacle, that this actually inhibits 1.00

00:07:20.380 our fulfillment.

00:07:21.220 But actually, it is a vehicle of fulfillment.

00:07:24.400 And we have to start seeing motherhood and being a wife as the high callings that they are.

00:07:30.660 We have to honor these roles as the high callings that they are.

00:07:35.920 But here's what I want to say, because God doesn't always promise to give any of us exactly

00:07:40.000 what we want.

00:07:41.060 What I want to say to you women, that even if you are not a wife or a mom, maybe you will 1.00

00:07:47.180 never be a wife or a mom.

00:07:48.520 Maybe that's not the road that God has for you, that you are still called to mother.

00:07:55.060 You are still called to mother.

00:07:56.480 And here's what I mean by that, that every single woman has this amazing, incredible

00:08:01.980 ability to cultivate and to beautify and to nurture and to grow.

00:08:07.460 And that energy is not supposed to be channeled into your profession, into politics, into plants

00:08:12.780 or to pets.

00:08:14.300 All of those things are meant to be channeled into people.

00:08:18.340 So even if you are not yet a mother, even if motherhood is not in your future channel,

00:08:26.480 all of those unique and womanly capabilities and skills that you have into people, into 1.00

00:08:32.660 children, into young women, lead Bible studies, volunteer at church, see how you can serve

00:08:38.700 them, see how you can teach them, see how you can love them, see how you can become even

00:08:43.540 a spiritual mother to the next generation.

00:08:47.620 And then the third truth is that merit trumps DEI.

00:08:51.940 The fourth is that America is a Christian nation.

00:08:53.980 And the fifth and most important is that Jesus is the only way to heaven.

00:08:57.600 But the second was that porn has weakened men.

00:09:01.020 This is something that Charlie said a lot.

00:09:02.720 And I wanted to make this appeal, yes, to honor Charlie's message and mission, but also

00:09:08.320 from a feminine perspective. 1.00

00:09:11.160 Here's top 12. 0.83

00:09:14.840 Porn has weakened men.

00:09:16.240 And you know, Charlie, Charlie was so good at talking about this and so good at talking

00:09:30.380 so courageously and sternly and clearly to the young men.

00:09:34.240 Here's what we know about porn and why it is so detrimental, not only to men, although it

00:09:39.380 disproportionately affects men.

00:09:40.840 Porn objectifies women and children. 0.99

00:09:44.100 It commercializes sex, which is a gift from God for a married couple between one man and 0.99

00:09:50.080 one woman.

00:09:50.640 And it glorifies violence.

00:09:58.220 It creates addiction and shame.

00:10:00.520 It destroys marriages.

00:10:01.700 It ruins your perception of other people.

00:10:03.760 It is the legal loophole for sex trafficking.

00:10:06.000 It is evil in every way, and it will destroy your life.

00:10:11.180 And this is what I would want to say to men, and I hope that you hear it from strong men

00:10:16.700 in your life, that men, we need you.

00:10:19.560 And we need your masculinity. 0.73

00:10:21.640 And we need your strength.

00:10:23.320 And we need your boldness.

00:10:24.900 And we need your courage.

00:10:26.180 And we need those things to be harnessed for good.

00:10:29.080 We need you to be solid pastors.

00:10:31.680 We need you to be strong leaders.

00:10:34.120 We need your voice.

00:10:35.400 We need you to bravely stand up for the most vulnerable, to stand up for women and children

00:10:40.820 and for the unborn, to raise a respectful ruckus for the things that matter.

00:10:45.780 We need really strong men. 0.98

00:10:47.980 And porn makes you weak. 1.00

00:10:50.520 Oh, can you believe that feminist? 1.00

00:10:52.760 I can't believe that she said we need men.

00:10:55.340 How dare she?

00:10:56.540 All right.

00:10:56.960 We'll get into the online reaction and my response to it in just a second.

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00:12:23.820 Okay, so there were a variety of criticisms from those who profess to be Christian conservatives.

00:12:30.920 And I will just say, first of all, before I even list these criticisms, this is not representative

00:12:35.880 of most men.

00:12:37.740 This is not representative of Christianity.

00:12:39.600 It's not representative of the audience in that room.

00:12:42.740 As you could hear, that segment, and you didn't get to listen to the whole segment there, although

00:12:47.440 the whole speech is on my YouTube page and you can watch it for yourself, there was a

00:12:51.500 very enthusiastic applause there.

00:12:54.460 It was met with a lot of positivity.

00:12:57.180 And I saw a lot of people saying, oh, you know, Allie shouldn't be surprised by this negative

00:13:00.960 reaction.

00:13:02.440 Well, there wasn't a negative reaction in person.

00:13:05.160 So here's the variety of criticisms.

00:13:08.140 And again, I think this is instructive for all of us to be able to respond to these.

00:13:13.600 So this is a feminist nagging women. 1.00

00:13:17.100 She should just, she should focus on women. 1.00

00:13:20.340 Number three, she took the place of a man. 1.00

00:13:23.300 And number four, a violation of biblical commands.

00:13:25.480 That, of course, is the most important one.

00:13:27.240 And we'll spend the most time responding to that one.

00:13:30.160 So the first one there, you saw the clip.

00:13:32.640 That was part of my speech.

00:13:33.900 This is a feminist nagging men. 1.00

00:13:36.100 And I just want to make sure that I'm understanding here what is being argued, because it's so

00:13:41.900 important to define our terms.

00:13:43.460 And whenever I'm talking to someone that I think is arguing from a place of emotion, I

00:13:48.180 want to slow things down.

00:13:49.680 And I'm going to bring logic and reasonableness into the conversation, because Christians are

00:13:53.820 called to be reasonable and say, what do you mean by that?

00:13:57.360 Define your terms.

00:13:58.340 What do you mean by feminist? 1.00

00:13:59.620 Okay, that's interesting.

00:14:01.200 Where are you getting, where are you getting that term?

00:14:04.120 Like, okay, if a woman is saying something true in public, did she just do a feminism? 1.00

00:14:09.760 Okay, okay.

00:14:10.960 Explain to me like where you got that.

00:14:12.980 How did you come to that conclusion?

00:14:14.520 It's really important that we get on the same page, because from my understanding, as I talked

00:14:20.800 about, for the longest portion of that speech, feminism might come in many iterations, but 1.00

00:14:27.720 what it has convinced women is not just that they can be equal to a man, but that they can

00:14:33.220 be the same as a man.

00:14:35.000 And so when a woman is denying her own unique femininity and attempts to be like a man and 0.91

00:14:41.920 to be a man and to take the place of a man, that could be argued that that is a conclusion or a fruit of

00:14:48.620 feminism, which, of course, I argued is a failure for women. 1.00

00:14:53.020 But feminism says we don't need masculinity. 1.00

00:14:56.660 We don't need men.

00:14:58.400 Their strength is not unique.

00:15:00.160 They don't have a unique capacity.

00:15:01.720 They don't have a unique capability.

00:15:03.420 Women can do everything just as well as a man can. 1.00

00:15:07.400 But that is not what I argue.

00:15:09.380 That's never what I've argued.

00:15:10.620 That's not what I believe.

00:15:11.780 And in fact, you heard in that clip that I said that we need masculinity. 0.79

00:15:15.220 One of the most viewed PragerU videos is my PragerU video from 2019.

00:15:22.720 I think it was 2019 or no, this would have been 2018 because this is before I had babies.

00:15:30.160 In 2018, where I debunked this myth of toxic masculinity.

00:15:34.520 And for five minutes, I explain why masculinity is so important and so necessary to a functioning

00:15:41.020 and thriving society.

00:15:42.500 My audience there was a bunch of 19 and 20 year olds.

00:15:46.140 There were some grownups there, some out of college people, but a lot of 19 and 20 year

00:15:51.400 old college students, mostly Christians.

00:15:53.980 And as I said, I got a very enthusiastic response.

00:15:57.560 There were a lot of young men in this room who were happy to hear an older sister in Christ

00:16:03.040 plead with them in a very respectful and loving and affirming way that you are needed, that

00:16:10.340 your strength is needed, that your leadership is needed.

00:16:12.940 It was not reacted to the way the internet reacted to it at all.

00:16:17.320 Male seminary students and college students, after I was done with my speech, lined up behind

00:16:23.700 the mic to ask my perspective on things.

00:16:26.380 They were very kind.

00:16:27.600 It was taken exactly as I intended it as affirmation and as encouragement and a pleading from a female 0.61

00:16:38.180 perspective to turn away from the damage of porn.

00:16:40.860 And I got a really sweet post from someone who said, you know, I showed this to my 17 year

00:16:47.680 old son and he had never really seen this or heard this from a female perspective.

00:16:52.540 And it really changed kind of like how he thought about this.

00:16:57.020 And it was unique.

00:16:57.760 And he said that his son shared it with a bunch of his friends.

00:17:01.420 Um, and I think it's super important for men to hear this from other strong men, but it's

00:17:07.220 okay for women to also say, Hey, this is damaging. 1.00

00:17:11.960 And like, we really appreciate you as a man and appreciate your strength.

00:17:16.680 Uh, but this is, this is not good.

00:17:18.800 This is sapping you of your strength actually.

00:17:21.380 Um, so this negative reaction was from a very niche segment of the online male, right?

00:17:28.160 Um, the accusation that I, Allie Beth Stuckey, I'm a feminist is laughable.

00:17:34.860 It almost doesn't dignify a response.

00:17:37.100 Those of you who know me, who have been listening to me, who have been reading me for any amount

00:17:41.320 of time, you know, how hard I go against the tenets of feminism against, uh, the gender 1.00

00:17:50.060 ideology that I think was born of feminism in many ways actually argue that in this speech

00:17:56.120 that the ideology of feminism led to the idea that a man can become a woman, how hard I go

00:18:02.820 against abortion, how hard I go against every tenant of progressivism and look by the grace

00:18:08.860 of God and the grace of God alone.

00:18:10.480 There is probably not another Christian woman in the conservative commentary space who has,

00:18:17.900 who has made more of an effort than I have to pull women away from progressivism, to try 0.98

00:18:26.780 to change women's minds and hearts when it comes to abortion, to try to change women's 0.96

00:18:31.820 minds and hearts when it comes to marriage, when it comes to the reproductive technology

00:18:38.380 industry, when it comes to even changing their mind on things like immigration and crime and

00:18:44.960 the death penalty who have tried, who's tried so hard.

00:18:48.980 And by the grace of God, in many ways, effectively, I mean, maybe there's some people out there whose

00:18:55.300 minds haven't been changed, but the Lord is so kind to show me the messages from people

00:19:00.060 who say, yeah, I was a victim of toxic empathy.

00:19:03.720 I was pro-choice.

00:19:04.820 I was pro-open borders.

00:19:06.960 I was pro-trans.

00:19:08.040 I was pro, I was anti-death penalty and all of these things.

00:19:11.240 And I have tried my darndest as a woman in my female capacity from my feminine perspective

00:19:18.020 to write to women for women, to try to pull them away from the trap of progressivism and

00:19:27.700 toxic empathy.

00:19:29.600 So to say that I am a feminist who preaches to men really is just laughable.

00:19:35.800 And it just goes to show that people will just lie to just know that, like people will just

00:19:40.480 lie about you.

00:19:41.460 And I think it was Pastor Todd Wagner who originally said, leadership in any way is a commitment

00:19:47.820 to being misunderstood.

00:19:49.500 And that is true if you have any kind of audience.

00:19:53.320 There is going to be a level of deliberate misunderstanding and misrepresentation that you

00:20:01.180 don't have to like, but you do just kind of have to realize is going to be there.

00:20:06.400 The second one that I shouldn't preach to men, that I should just focus on women, I mean,

00:20:10.520 you guys know it's what I do.

00:20:12.180 I mean, look at the, look at the covers of my books, look at the color of them.

00:20:16.060 Do those look like books that are trying to target a masculine audience?

00:20:20.160 I have been writing to women, for women, talking to women, for women, very intentionally since

00:20:27.020 the very beginning.

00:20:27.900 I started out speaking at sorority chapters.

00:20:31.820 Okay.

00:20:32.140 Like that was, that was the beginning of this for me.

00:20:35.500 Um, this started because I was leading a Bible study of freshman college girls when I was

00:20:41.480 one year out of college.

00:20:42.820 And that was in 2015 and 2000, 2014, 2015.

00:20:48.540 And that was the beginning of course, of that election season started talking about, okay,

00:20:53.520 what does the Bible have to say about abortion and politics and things like that?

00:20:56.720 And I was actually able to persuade one of the girls in my Bible study who believed that

00:21:01.680 she was a Bernie Sanders supporting pro-choice girl, that the Bible doesn't support abortion.

00:21:06.940 And of course today, by the grace of God, she's totally changed her heart and mind on all

00:21:11.880 of those issues.

00:21:12.880 Uh, but that's where it, that's where it started.

00:21:15.040 And I'm thankful for my Related Bros.

00:21:17.420 Very thankful for them.

00:21:19.220 Thankful for the husbands too, of the Related Gals in this audience. 1.00

00:21:22.620 But this has been an intentional creation of something for women that gives them clarity 0.91

00:21:28.980 and gives them courage.

00:21:31.880 Um, it, you know, it's funny though, because we just had Share the Arrows and, you know,

00:21:37.580 we had 6,700 women attend our second annual Share the Arrows. 0.98

00:21:43.320 And it was a solid biblical conference just for women.

00:21:47.520 And the clips that were circulating of Share the Arrows, the same crowd had the same criticisms

00:21:53.040 that this is somehow feminism and this is somehow wrong. 1.00

00:21:56.820 And so the goalposts seem to always move when you're talking exclusively to women.

00:22:01.600 Women shouldn't be talking when you're talking to men and women. 1.00

00:22:05.420 Women shouldn't be talking to a mixed crowd at all, even outside of church. 1.00

00:22:09.540 And so you just, it just goes to show you cannot live by the crowd.

00:22:14.720 Like you can't try to please man.

00:22:17.680 That is not what this is about.

00:22:19.540 If you do, if you live for people's praise, if you die by people's criticism, like you will

00:22:25.280 not last, not just in the public sphere, but in the faith.

00:22:29.040 Because if you do anything with courage, there are going to be detractors.

00:22:34.060 All right.

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00:24:14.760 Okay, so there's this like weird criticism out there that by me being up at the turning

00:24:26.960 point podium, which I've done many, many times over the past eight years, that I took the

00:24:33.160 place of a man, that that should be a man's job and a man's job only. 0.97

00:24:38.320 And there's this idea that this is a zero sum game, that if I have a podcast or am I if

00:24:45.080 I'm asked to speak or if I do the Jubilee debate, then that means that I am taking the

00:24:51.640 place of some male counterpart.

00:24:53.900 And if I am not asked to do those things, then these people would be invited.

00:24:59.020 And that's just it's not how it works.

00:25:02.220 It's not how it works.

00:25:03.480 There's this idea that if I didn't have Relatable, that all of the women who listen to Relatable 1.00

00:25:08.600 or all of the women who come to share the arrows would go to their conferences and listen

00:25:12.240 to their podcast.

00:25:13.500 But again, that's not how it works.

00:25:15.720 And like, I hope that you would agree with that because men and women are interchangeable,

00:25:19.580 right?

00:25:20.380 Like men and women bring a unique thing to the table.

00:25:23.100 Like it's not just arbitrary.

00:25:25.380 We can't just be exchanged out like widgets like you agree with that.

00:25:29.320 And if that's the case, then you sitting in this place is not going to do the same.

00:25:34.500 It's not going to do the same thing.

00:25:36.160 And no one is stopping a man from leading.

00:25:39.320 Like if you want to lead, then you should lead.

00:25:41.500 If you want to speak out, then you should speak out.

00:25:44.000 And if you have something to say, then people will listen.

00:25:48.160 And if you are someone that is worth following, then people will follow you.

00:25:52.020 That doesn't mean that everyone with followers are people worth following.

00:25:55.180 That's true.

00:25:55.940 Um, but if you have been trying to lead and you've been trying to lend your voice to the

00:26:01.520 public sphere and you feel like, gosh, I'm just not getting the attention or the following

00:26:05.200 that I need, it might not be anyone else's fault.

00:26:08.380 Like we all just have to ask ourselves, like, are we in the lane that God has called us to?

00:26:12.620 Are we using our gifts, our true gifts, the way that God has called us to use them?

00:26:18.560 Like the truth is, is that not everyone, male or female, is made for the public sphere.

00:26:23.620 Not everyone is like we have all different kinds of talents, all different kinds of

00:26:28.260 callings, all different kinds of strengths and, and weaknesses.

00:26:32.380 And even if you believe that men in general are more suited for the public sphere than,

00:26:38.960 than women are. 1.00

00:26:39.880 And in general, like I, I would probably say that's true.

00:26:43.340 Statistically, I would probably say that's true.

00:26:45.760 That doesn't mean that all men are cut out for it and all women are not cut out for it.

00:26:50.920 Like there is just a level of toughness and reasonableness that I think is required to

00:26:58.100 be able to engage in the public sphere well.

00:27:00.800 And like, I think about Jubilee and how thankfully, like the Lord just met me there and the Holy

00:27:08.260 Spirit helped me so much navigate those conversations and how I was able to use, um, actually like my

00:27:16.860 uniqueness as a woman in that very tenuous situation to contend for the faith.

00:27:24.040 I think that that was a huge asset to me, uh, in the moment that I didn't have to abandon

00:27:30.960 my femininity or my gentleness or my friendliness or my womanhood in any way to very effectively

00:27:39.140 and persuasively contend for the faith.

00:27:42.060 And there is this idea, I think by a lot of these people who also criticized my Jubilee

00:27:47.280 performance that, well, you know, she's a woman, so she can't have done as good of a 1.00

00:27:52.980 job as me.

00:27:53.960 Some man, well, okay, I guess, you know, I won't say anything about that. 0.62

00:28:00.060 Maybe you'll get the opportunity to do that one day and you can prove that to everyone.

00:28:05.020 I hope, I hope that for you, um, but a lot of people who fancy themselves good debaters

00:28:12.660 have never been put in that arena.

00:28:14.520 You have to have a lot of self-control and I will just say a lot of people who are in

00:28:18.600 this conversation online don't have a lot of self-control and fall into logical fallacies

00:28:24.380 very easily and fall into emotion driven arguments and project their own offense on what someone

00:28:34.260 is saying extremely easily and male or female, if that is your propensity, you're not cut

00:28:41.040 out for it.

00:28:41.720 Like you're not cut out for the public debate.

00:28:43.560 You got to be tougher than that.

00:28:44.840 You just do.

00:28:45.940 Now, here's the, here's the most important thing.

00:28:49.240 The most important contention is that, um, me speaking to a group like that at turning

00:28:54.980 point or me speaking at all, because again, I get the same criticism.

00:28:58.480 If I'm even speaking at a women's conference, like share the arrows, um, that this is not 0.82

00:29:03.940 following biblical commands.

00:29:05.660 And this is really important.

00:29:07.000 No matter who is saying this to you, um, you need to open up your ear to this because

00:29:14.360 when someone quotes scripture, we need to be able to look at the word of God.

00:29:18.920 And even if it rubs you the wrong way, even if you don't want to hear it, even if it makes

00:29:24.780 you feel guilty, we should listen and we should be willing to humble ourselves and say, okay,

00:29:30.700 even if I don't like that person, even if I don't like their tone, even if I don't like

00:29:34.840 what they're saying is what they're saying true. 0.52

00:29:36.940 Now that my, the critics in this case did not lend me, uh, that same respect, but I want

00:29:44.860 to do that, not because I care about them, uh, but because I care about the word of God.

00:29:50.040 And so there are a few things, a few scriptures that were kind of lodged when it comes to the

00:29:55.380 subject.

00:29:56.020 One, um, that wives need to submit to their husbands. 1.00

00:29:59.100 And that would be a quotation of Ephesians five.

00:30:01.940 We've talked about this passage so much as it comes to marriage and the definition of

00:30:06.720 marriage, but starting with verse 22, wives submit to your own husband as to the Lord 0.55

00:30:12.240 for the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church, his body 0.61

00:30:16.400 and is himself, it's savior.

00:30:20.040 Now, as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands. 0.93

00:30:26.880 So that's one verse that I've seen that in me doing this is a lack of submission and male

00:30:32.880 headship.

00:30:33.560 And then there's also first Corinthians 14, 34 through 35 quoted.

00:30:38.240 And by the way, they're not usually actually quoting the exact verses.

00:30:41.800 I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt here and actually pointing to the scripture.

00:30:46.400 So this is in the context of Paul talking to the church in Corinth about the orderliness

00:30:50.640 of worship.

00:30:51.380 He talks about the different ways to prophesy speaking in tongues and all of that.

00:30:55.520 Apparently it was pretty chaotic.

00:30:57.020 And then he specifically calls out women.

00:30:59.780 He says, as in all the churches of the saints, the women should keep silent in the churches 1.00

00:31:03.820 for they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission.

00:31:06.800 As the law also says, if there is anything that they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands

00:31:11.440 at home for it is shameful for a woman to speak in church. 1.00

00:31:14.760 Now, even the most conservative and patriarchal church that I know of will allow a woman to 1.00

00:31:22.220 sing and will allow a woman to maybe give announcements or to say something pertaining to the children's 0.78

00:31:28.380 ministry.

00:31:29.080 And so even the most literal interpretation of this, when Paul is saying women should keep 0.77

00:31:33.780 silent, is typically interpreted as women should not be teaching in the churches.

00:31:38.380 And they certainly shouldn't be disorderly.

00:31:41.380 First Timothy 2.11, let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. 1.00

00:31:47.100 I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man. 1.00

00:31:51.560 Rather, she is to remain quiet.

00:31:54.120 Again, this is in the context of the local church.

00:31:57.080 And then another criticism is that while women should be keepers of the home and clearly you're 1.00

00:32:02.520 on a stage and so you're not following Titus 2.3-8, older women likewise are to be reverent

00:32:09.260 in behavior, not slanderers or slaves to much wine.

00:32:12.400 They are to teach what is good and so train the young women to love their husbands and children

00:32:16.360 to be self-controlled, pure, working at home, kind, and submissive to their own husbands that

00:32:22.160 the word of God may not be reviled.

00:32:24.480 Likewise, urge the younger men to be self-controlled.

00:32:27.460 Show yourself in all respects to be a model of good works.

00:32:31.360 And in your teaching, show integrity, dignity, and sound speech that cannot be condemned so

00:32:36.460 that an opponent may be put to shame, having nothing evil to say about us.

00:32:42.060 Yes and amen to all of that.

00:32:43.760 Wow.

00:32:44.460 Self-control is so important to the Lord.

00:32:46.800 We see it over and over again that all demographics, that all age groups, that all genders are to

00:32:52.820 be self-controlled.

00:32:53.600 Now, I'm not saying the command is the same, doesn't manifest itself the same way for every

00:32:58.540 single group, clearly here, but we see over and over again that self-control is so important

00:33:02.760 for every group.

00:33:04.320 So women are to prioritize the home. 1.00

00:33:08.020 They are to prioritize children.

00:33:11.060 They are not to prioritize something, put something first that is not their home.

00:33:17.900 And so, as I have always said, I think there is some work that allows women to do this,

00:33:23.620 and there is some work that does not allow women to do this. 1.00

00:33:27.340 There are some jobs that make this flexibility and prioritization possible, and there are some

00:33:33.380 jobs that do not make this possible.

00:33:36.000 And there are different seasons of life that call for different things for women, and I think 1.00

00:33:40.940 that we need to respect that.

00:33:42.620 I have been extremely consistent on that, and I am so incredibly thankful that I have

00:33:48.860 a job that allows me to have the flexibility that I do.

00:33:53.380 I am so thankful for the setup that we have in our home, and I always hesitate because I

00:33:58.080 don't want it to seem like, well, I have to give an account to these random men on the

00:34:01.660 internet exactly how we run our home and exactly what my schedule is, exactly what my day-to-day

00:34:07.880 looks like.

00:34:08.420 I feel no obligation to do that at all.

00:34:12.640 But a lot of you know, I've talked about this publicly, that my husband, Chief Related

00:34:16.580 Bro, is my business manager.

00:34:18.920 We work together full-time.

00:34:20.640 He makes decisions on our behalf.

00:34:22.860 He runs all of the business part of everything.

00:34:26.500 And I'm so thankful that when it comes to this professional sphere, that all I have to

00:34:33.320 worry about is the discipleship.

00:34:35.520 All I have to worry about is the content of what I say.

00:34:38.760 I love dreaming.

00:34:39.660 I love thinking.

00:34:40.560 I love coming up with ideas.

00:34:41.860 I love talking, teaching, communicating with you, mentoring you, talking with you.

00:34:48.060 And he runs and leads and organizes and manages all of the business side of everything we do.

00:34:55.140 And I'm so thankful for that.

00:34:56.660 My dad is a big part of everything we do.

00:35:00.220 My parents and I, we live very close to each other.

00:35:03.520 That also helps make all of this possible.

00:35:06.380 And I'll just give you an example.

00:35:08.760 You know, I'm so private about our family life and for good reason.

00:35:12.780 And we'll never, we'll never change on that.

00:35:15.540 We'll never waver on that.

00:35:16.920 But just to give you like a little peek, I saw someone criticize the fact that I was at

00:35:22.020 LSU.

00:35:22.580 It was actually a blaze colleague, like echoing this, like, oh, well, you know, where are

00:35:28.280 her kids?

00:35:28.860 Like, I can just tell you that my husband and I went to Baton Rouge there and back same

00:35:33.520 evening while my kids spent a few hours with my parents.

00:35:38.400 And so that's what it looked like.

00:35:40.120 We make a lot of sacrifices to make sure that our kids are as involved as possible.

00:35:45.820 We, my husband and I saw someone else say, oh, she must never spend time with her husband, 0.99

00:35:49.660 which actually made me laugh out loud because my husband and I spend a ridiculous amount

00:35:55.260 of time together.

00:35:56.020 It's amazing.

00:35:56.500 We love spending time together.

00:35:58.000 We love hanging out.

00:35:59.200 We are together all the time and we do everything possible to involve our kids in everything

00:36:04.900 we do.

00:36:05.520 For example, a couple of weeks ago, we went to Michigan again, there and back very quick,

00:36:10.600 very efficient.

00:36:11.440 We are incredibly efficient in what we do.

00:36:13.540 And we brought our six-year-old and it was like such a great time.

00:36:16.980 In California, the Lord lined it up to where we had all of these different business engagements

00:36:21.560 and speaking engagements and we didn't go there and back and leave our kids every time we had

00:36:27.700 to leave.

00:36:28.060 We instead made it a two and a half week trip where we brought our entire family.

00:36:33.140 Like that is what we do.

00:36:34.960 I submit to my husband.

00:36:38.020 I submit most importantly to the Lord.

00:36:40.480 I respect and honor my pastor.

00:36:42.560 I respect and honor my father.

00:36:44.520 And I am not under the authority.

00:36:48.260 I am not in any spiritual obligation to any random man on the internet.

00:36:53.460 I'm just not.

00:36:54.640 Um, and so all of these biblical commands that are so important that we should adhere to by

00:37:03.020 the grace of God, like we as a family are doing our very best as imperfect people, but

00:37:09.800 to obey these commands.

00:37:11.880 And like, I appreciate the concern random men on the internet.

00:37:16.180 I'm sure that it's coming from a great place.

00:37:20.540 Um, but we're good.

00:37:22.200 Like we're good and we're following God's calling on our life and we're doing it again

00:37:27.700 to the best of our abilities.

00:37:30.720 Um, and all of us, every one of us, male and female are called to make disciples, to make

00:37:37.140 disciples of all nations.

00:37:38.760 And again, that might look different for men and for women, but every single one of us are

00:37:45.080 called to make disciples.

00:37:46.280 And I'm very, very thankful for the disciples, the many women, female disciples.

00:37:52.200 Um, that God has created through the vessel of relatable and share the arrows.

00:37:59.460 I'm so thankful for that.

00:38:00.960 The fruit of that is very evident and the Lord consistently reminds me of the fruit of

00:38:06.620 that.

00:38:07.020 And so I know a lot of you get worried about me feeling down or getting discouraged.

00:38:12.180 And I appreciate you always trying to buoy me and pray for me, but honestly, like your

00:38:17.200 testimonies and how you tell me you were affected by a guest or a line or whatever it

00:38:22.780 was like the Lord uses that as fuel to keep me going.

00:38:26.840 And yeah, sometimes it is difficult.

00:38:30.120 Um, but again, we're doing this for the glory of God.

00:38:33.500 I'm doing this for building up the body of Christ.

00:38:36.220 I'm not doing this for the opinion, the good opinion or bad opinion of anyone, because that

00:38:41.560 will wear you out so fast.

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00:39:49.920 You'll notice that I didn't actually show you any of the posts that were kind of stirring

00:40:00.540 up this controversy.

00:40:01.720 And it really just happens like whenever there's a clip of me going around it all, it's become

00:40:07.540 some people have dubbed it.

00:40:09.260 And I think that this is medically accurate.

00:40:11.280 ABS derangement syndrome.

00:40:12.820 A lot of people have ABS derangement syndrome and it's, it is weird to see like your name

00:40:20.160 become something that people know generates clicks.

00:40:24.540 And I will say, like, can I just have a moment of humility and self-reflection?

00:40:29.700 Like it has made me think about how I discuss people's moments.

00:40:37.440 Like when they say something that people are deeming controversial and I chime in on that.

00:40:43.760 Now, I don't attack people's character.

00:40:46.300 I just don't.

00:40:46.940 That's not like a line that I will go down.

00:40:49.680 Yes, of course, if a false teacher is preaching a false gospel, I will call them a false teacher.

00:40:53.980 We have a lot of biblical examples of the importance of doing that.

00:40:58.020 But I'm not going to go into someone's personal life.

00:41:00.860 I'm not going to, I just don't, uh, don't do that.

00:41:04.500 But I, like, I will publicly disagree with someone.

00:41:07.780 Again, I think there's a lot of biblical precedent for that.

00:41:10.340 I think that we can contend with someone's argument and like their biblical take on something.

00:41:15.600 I've done that many times, but it has made me think a little bit more.

00:41:19.400 And I just wonder if the Lord is using this to like teach me in some way.

00:41:23.620 And so I do, I just want to like remain open and humble to what the Lord might be showing me.

00:41:30.160 And even though I think the critics, many of them are acting totally in, in bad faith and

00:41:35.400 are just like wrong biblically, like we should remain open to what the Lord might be teaching

00:41:40.900 us, right?

00:41:41.520 Like in any given moment, we should pay attention to those convictions.

00:41:44.900 And when you start thinking, huh, this doesn't feel good.

00:41:48.940 And like, have I done this?

00:41:51.480 Have I made this mistake?

00:41:53.400 Have I like piled on?

00:41:55.200 Um, I hope not.

00:41:57.620 I hope that I've done this in like a biblically accurate way, but it just makes you think,

00:42:03.480 okay, now I, like I can see from this perspective, I see it a little bit differently now.

00:42:08.900 And I want to be even more careful in the future, like how I talk about people and how I talk about

00:42:16.040 them when a person becomes the story.

00:42:18.360 And you guys who have been following me know that I try really, really hard to be as respectful

00:42:22.920 and accurate as possible, but I'm sure I haven't always gotten it right.

00:42:26.540 Um, and so it's just made me say, huh, I want to be even more cautious about this because

00:42:31.800 I see how like discouraging and difficult it must be.

00:42:35.460 And when people just lie about you and they misrepresent you or people latch onto a lie,

00:42:40.960 I've had multiple people reach out to me and apologize because they're like, oh, I believe

00:42:45.280 this misrepresentation of you or your marriage or your home or, or your business or whatever.

00:42:51.780 And I just want to like apologize for believing that first of all, don't reach out to me and

00:42:56.800 tell me that like, that's just an inside thought.

00:42:58.940 I don't need to know that you believe that lie about me, but that can be super frustrating.

00:43:03.220 And so we should all just be super cautious about what we are repeating, what we're saying

00:43:10.080 and what the motivations behind what we are saying.

00:43:13.120 Are we correcting someone because we want to build up the body of Christ and because the

00:43:17.600 truth really matters and we're hoping to rebuke and edify in a biblical way, or are we just

00:43:23.020 doing something because it's generating clicks because it's a controversy.

00:43:27.220 And I do want us to remember again, that all of us are called to self-control and all of

00:43:34.280 us are called to pay close attention to our speech.

00:43:37.780 This segment of the male right, again, a lot of them, I don't actually think are believers,

00:43:43.240 believers, just profess to be believers.

00:43:46.680 They are very crass. 0.99

00:43:48.980 They're very sexually degenerate in many ways. 0.98

00:43:53.400 They will make a lot of sexual jokes. 0.98

00:43:55.340 They are very degrading, very rude to women across the board.

00:43:59.580 I'm not saying all.

00:44:01.160 And guys, if you're listening to this, I'm going to tell you what I tell my female audience,

00:44:05.400 so important for all of us on the internet.

00:44:08.320 If it's not about you, it's not about you.

00:44:10.520 It's not about you.

00:44:11.520 It's not about you.

00:44:12.420 If something doesn't describe you, then it's not about you.

00:44:15.100 If you are the anomaly or you are the exception, you don't have to tell me.

00:44:18.440 You don't have to tell me.

00:44:19.140 It's good.

00:44:20.140 Keep it inside thought.

00:44:22.000 But if I'm not talking about you when I'm describing this, if you feel like you had a

00:44:27.200 very legitimate concern that you raised in a very kind way, then I'm not talking about

00:44:31.000 you.

00:44:31.560 But a lot of these people in this segment of the so-called right are just very rude and very 0.95

00:44:37.000 crass, very degenerate, very depraved, and very, very calloused. 0.74

00:44:42.860 And I just want to remind us of what the Bible has to say for all of us, regardless of our 0.96

00:44:47.000 gender, regardless of our role.

00:44:49.000 1 Corinthians 6, 9 through 10.

00:44:50.880 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God?

00:44:55.240 Do not be deceived.

00:44:56.200 Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, 0.95

00:45:01.500 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the 0.99

00:45:07.500 kingdom of God.

00:45:09.100 Wow. 0.99

00:45:09.360 You're going to go to hell if you're a reviler? 0.93

00:45:12.120 What does a reviler mean? 0.84

00:45:13.720 Someone who is taken to fits of anger, who slanders.

00:45:16.500 So that means saying something negative about someone that is not true, a gossip, someone

00:45:22.780 who uses words, especially untrue words, to maliciously hurt someone's character.

00:45:27.060 It's not just disagreement.

00:45:28.440 It's not just rebuke.

00:45:29.920 It's not an admonition.

00:45:31.640 This is someone who misrepresents someone to try to tear down their character.

00:45:36.660 Wow.

00:45:36.940 A reviler will not inherit the kingdom of God. 0.98

00:45:39.960 And it's interesting. 0.75

00:45:40.860 We consistently see homosexuality and sexual immorality in the same list as slander and 0.92

00:45:49.500 reviling and just being brutal.

00:45:52.240 We talked about Romans 1 yesterday.

00:45:54.660 It does the same thing.

00:45:55.960 Romans 1, 28 through 32, talking about people who were given to homosexuality, goes on to

00:46:02.640 say in verse 29, they were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil covetousness,

00:46:07.120 wanting what someone else has, malice, full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness,

00:46:13.040 gossip, slanders, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient 0.99

00:46:18.180 to parents, foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 1.00

00:46:21.420 Though they know God's righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, 1.00

00:46:25.300 they not only do them, but give approval to those who practice them.

00:46:28.980 And I think of a lot of the excuse making of extremely crass people from this segment of

00:46:35.720 the right, a lot of these people will hail and honor people like Nick Fuentes, who of

00:46:40.980 course is extremely haughty and reviles and is crass and is crude and is brutal and is

00:46:52.680 ruthless and boastful.

00:46:55.520 All of these people, all of these characteristics that are listed in this segment.

00:47:00.620 And so they will give approval to those who practice these things.

00:47:04.060 And this description here in Romans 1 are describing people who have been given over to the depravity

00:47:09.320 of their mind.

00:47:10.360 They're actually put in the same category as people who are homosexual, who are practicing 1.00

00:47:16.600 homosexuality, the same kind of depravity of mind. 1.00

00:47:20.660 And, you know, I made this point that Rosaria Butterfield made so good that you are not going 0.59

00:47:25.160 to win people over to the gospel by affirming the very sins that Christ died for.

00:47:31.500 And there's this idea in this segment that if you kind of match their tone and you match

00:47:36.120 their words and you match their strategies, well, then these young men will become Christians.

00:47:41.800 Well, just as you can't affirm homosexuality and affirm LGBTQ ideology in the hopes that you're 1.00

00:47:49.380 going to win people over to Christ, you're also not going to affirm slander and crassness

00:47:55.140 and crudeness and brutality and win people over to the cross of Christ.

00:48:00.260 It's just not it's just not going to work.

00:48:03.320 But understand this.

00:48:04.640 Second Timothy 3, 1 through 5 says that in the last days there will come times of difficulty

00:48:10.060 for people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient

00:48:14.760 to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control,

00:48:19.980 brutal, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure.

00:48:24.060 Rather than lovers of God, having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power, avoid such

00:48:30.980 people.

00:48:33.620 Ephesians 4, 3, 30 through 32.

00:48:38.200 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

00:48:42.920 Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you along

00:48:47.260 with all malice.

00:48:48.260 Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another as God in Christ forgave

00:48:53.980 you.

00:48:54.780 Remember that gentleness is a fruit of the Spirit that is applied to all of us, that should

00:48:59.360 be true of all Christians.

00:49:00.940 Self-control is a fruit of the Spirit that is for all of us.

00:49:06.200 A gentle and quiet spirit is something that women are told that we should have in Scripture,

00:49:11.880 and we should.

00:49:12.800 That does not mean silence.

00:49:14.420 That does not mean that we have no role to play in pushing back against darkness.

00:49:18.900 And yes, of course, that high calling of being a wife and a mother, doing the next right 0.86

00:49:25.480 thing, usually means that for us.

00:49:27.820 Like doing the thing with our home, with our children.

00:49:30.900 But there are times, as we see throughout Scripture, that women are also called to raise a voice

00:49:37.500 and to be a bastion and refuge of clarity and courage.

00:49:41.680 And remember, gentle and quiet is not just something that is applied to women.

00:49:47.260 Gentleness is a fruit of the Spirit for everyone.

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00:51:05.420 Okay, so there's a few things that I want to say.

00:51:09.860 Number one, women, even in all of this, even if you're discouraged by this, some of you

00:51:15.280 may have been the target of their ire on social media.

00:51:20.640 I just want to tell you this.

00:51:22.380 Do not run into the arms of feminism because there are some men who have made you mad.

00:51:27.120 I've seen some people try to do this.

00:51:29.260 Some people on the left say, oh, ABS, she's getting a taste of her own medicine. 0.99

00:51:33.400 Now she's going to see.

00:51:35.020 Now she's going to see that conservatism is bad.

00:51:37.760 Now she's going to see that the Southern Baptist Convention is bad, or being a Baptist, 0.52

00:51:44.100 or being traditional, or whatever, that she's never going to be good enough.

00:51:47.720 Oh, you were under the impression that I was doing this for their approval?

00:51:51.640 Well, that's where you're wrong.

00:51:54.640 And I don't have my theology because I think it's going to get me likes.

00:51:59.580 I don't believe the things I do because it's popular.

00:52:02.680 If I wanted to be popular, I would not be a reformed Christian. 0.87

00:52:07.680 I would not be anti-IVF and pro-death penalty.

00:52:11.880 I just wouldn't.

00:52:12.640 Like I have very narrow beliefs and I am an anchor on the right, getting more and more people

00:52:19.300 to come to what I believe is a biblical position on politics and culture.

00:52:24.980 I don't do that because it's popular.

00:52:26.900 I believe these things.

00:52:28.160 I say these things because I believe that they are right.

00:52:32.760 And I'm doing my very best as a fallible person to follow the word of God.

00:52:37.540 And women, that's what you are called to do. 1.00

00:52:40.000 Do not run into the arms of feminists. 0.79

00:52:42.380 I've seen this happen so much with people who are deconstructing.

00:52:46.220 Someone hurt them in the church.

00:52:47.620 Maybe a group of people hurt them.

00:52:49.160 Maybe people in their theological camp hurt them.

00:52:51.660 They didn't like what was going on in their local church.

00:52:53.700 Or maybe it was a professor who failed them or a pastor who failed them.

00:52:57.540 And they will just say, okay, I'm done.

00:53:00.140 Then what they believe isn't true.

00:53:01.560 And while I understand that, because you're thinking, wow, if this is the fruit of that

00:53:05.940 belief system, then maybe it's not good at all.

00:53:07.940 I actually think that's a fair thing to say and to make an assessment.

00:53:11.800 You should look at the fruit of your belief system and the fruit of your doctrines.

00:53:15.380 And that should make you go back to the word of God and say, okay, hang on.

00:53:18.960 Do I have this right?

00:53:20.460 I think that's a good thing.

00:53:21.520 But the most important thing I said there is go back to the word of God.

00:53:24.140 If you are looking at someone who shares beliefs that you do, someone in your church, someone

00:53:28.800 in your theological or political camp, and you say, that fruit is rotten, that fruit

00:53:32.500 is nasty, and their ministry is on a bad path, before you say, I'm out, and I don't want

00:53:40.160 to be affiliated with what they believe, so I don't believe it either, before you say

00:53:43.700 that, go to the word of God and say, okay, God, what do you say?

00:53:48.940 Because what you say matters.

00:53:51.300 What these people say, they don't matter.

00:53:54.140 But what you say matters.

00:53:56.040 You go to the word of God, and you say, Lord, give me the wisdom.

00:53:59.080 Give me the eyes to see.

00:54:00.480 Give me the ears to hear from you.

00:54:03.140 And as long as you are following in God's word, you do not judge your effectiveness.

00:54:09.380 We say this a lot.

00:54:10.060 We don't judge our effectiveness or our faithfulness by people's approval or disapproval

00:54:14.940 of us, by people's reaction to us, whether they are on the left or the right.

00:54:19.260 We judge our faithfulness by our alignment to God's word.

00:54:24.600 And thankfully, God, if you are a Christian, has already stamped you approved and righteous 0.98

00:54:29.940 before him, not because of anything you've done, not because of anything you say, but

00:54:35.380 because of what Christ has done for you on the cross.

00:54:38.480 He has wiped your slate clean and covered you with his blood and given you his righteousness. 0.76

00:54:42.400 So you are already righteous before God.

00:54:45.080 But as we are being sanctified and as we are trying to walk in his ways, we look to his

00:54:49.700 word and we say, OK, am I doing this right?

00:54:53.320 Holy Spirit, help me.

00:54:54.820 God's word, guide me.

00:54:57.060 OK, so don't run into the arms of people who are flattering you and who are telling you

00:55:03.960 nice things and who are saying, oh, maybe progressivism is right.

00:55:07.320 Maybe the church isn't right.

00:55:08.960 Oh, Satan loves that so much.

00:55:11.340 Goes all the way back to the garden.

00:55:13.300 When he puts that wedge between when Satan puts that wedge between Eve and God by saying,

00:55:21.800 but, you know, she saw that the fruit looked good.

00:55:25.760 She was hungry.

00:55:26.940 Satan exploited that and used that.

00:55:30.380 Did God really say?

00:55:32.780 Did God really say?

00:55:33.940 And if you feel yourself asking that or wondering that right now, don't run to the doubts.

00:55:41.160 Don't feed the doubts.

00:55:43.200 You want to starve your doubts with faith and knowledge from the word of God.

00:55:47.440 If you live by the crowd, you will die by the crowd.

00:55:50.520 If you are motivated by, if your race is marked by what people think of you,

00:55:56.160 you will exhaust yourself.

00:55:59.600 If you are motivated by your own self-love, if you're motivated by others' approval of you,

00:56:04.740 by them cheering you on, then one day when all of that changes, when you say the wrong thing,

00:56:12.820 when you make the wrong person mad, you are going to stop.

00:56:17.140 But if you are running the race that is marked out for you, the calling that God has placed

00:56:21.420 on your life, even if you get discouraged sometimes,

00:56:24.860 the Holy Spirit will give you the perseverance and endurance to keep going.

00:56:30.920 And the last thing I just want to say here is that women, like you are essential to the church. 1.00

00:56:38.360 You are essential to the body of Christ.

00:56:41.040 As I said, the Bible is not feminist.

00:56:43.100 Jesus was not a feminist. 0.92

00:56:45.080 Our innate worth, which is so much better than feminism, is in the Imago Dei, that we are made 0.97

00:56:51.420 in God's image, that we have equal value, that we have equal worth.

00:56:58.260 That is the radical part of Christianity, that Jesus attends to the needs and recognizes the

00:57:06.860 dignity of women, not from a place of feminism, but from a place of love, from recognizing the beauty

00:57:14.620 of the Imago Dei in women and men.

00:57:19.140 And you know, the Bible, of course, written in a largely patriarchal society, and I'm certainly

00:57:25.580 not someone who is like, wants to buck against that.

00:57:29.280 I think patriarchy can be done in like a very beautiful way, should be done, and a very like

00:57:35.280 caring and biblical way.

00:57:38.300 But even amidst that backdrop, the writers of the Bible, inspired by the Holy Spirit,

00:57:45.120 all of the people who were led by the Holy Spirit to compile the 66 books of the Bible,

00:57:50.580 purposely included, these courageous stories of women obeying God at whatever cost, and God

00:57:58.100 accomplishing His will through Esther, and through Ruth, and through Deborah, and through Abigail,

00:58:03.700 and through Lydia, and through Jael, and through Rahab, and through Mary, and through Martha,

00:58:09.920 and through so many others.

00:58:13.080 They speak to women's unique value to the kingdom.

00:58:16.380 That doesn't mean that women have the same role as men.

00:58:18.800 We don't have the same role as men.

00:58:20.700 I'm like very hardline on this.

00:58:22.420 I don't think that women should be pastors. 1.00

00:58:24.860 I don't think they should be preaching at church from a pulpit to a mixed crowd. 1.00

00:58:30.700 I don't think they need to be preaching on Sunday morning.

00:58:34.000 Like I am, like you guys don't even know how like hardline I am on that, and how many

00:58:39.560 opportunities I have turned down, and how many, like so, so many opportunities I have

00:58:46.940 turned down because of that, because of that stance, because I believe it's biblical, and

00:58:51.780 I believe that God knows better than me.

00:58:54.340 He knows better than me.

00:58:55.480 Um, and so we just have to make sure that our faithfulness is to what the word of God

00:59:02.900 says, and what he says about women, and how he uses women, that we are abiding by Titus

00:59:09.340 too, that we are ensuring that we are aligning with God's word and all of these things.

00:59:14.380 And women, that doesn't exclude you from every sphere. 1.00

00:59:19.360 That doesn't silence your voice.

00:59:22.920 You are needed in so many ways.

00:59:25.800 Um, and while also acknowledging that motherhood and being a wife, like is an extremely high

00:59:31.260 calling.

00:59:31.760 You've heard me say that about a bajillion times as a big focus of this podcast and how

00:59:37.440 important that is and like why the culture wars actually matter to motherhood and all of 1.00

00:59:42.440 that.

00:59:42.660 And, um, I just want to like encourage you and comfort you, um, also, because I know a

00:59:48.760 lot of you are like, you're worried.

00:59:50.740 Oh my gosh, Allie, please keep going.

00:59:52.740 Don't, don't stop just because of these misguided people.

00:59:55.740 And as long as the Lord calls me to this, as long as he gives me the grace to do this,

01:00:01.380 and I am able to do this and prioritize my children and my husband, I will continue to do this.

01:00:08.640 I don't know what every season is going to look like, but he has given me so much grace

01:00:12.320 and so much provision in this moment, um, that I, he has allowed me to continue and I

01:00:19.040 will, I will.

01:00:20.120 Don't worry.

01:00:20.660 I'm not deterred at all.

01:00:21.980 Um, oh, I also just want to say one thing.

01:00:25.420 I should have said this earlier, but you've got all these people who are surmising about

01:00:29.660 money and all of this stuff, because that's totally healthy to be like counting the pennies

01:00:34.360 of someone else.

01:00:36.340 Um, that turning point of it, I, a lot of people are saying, oh, she got paid.

01:00:40.620 She took money away from blah, blah, blah. 1.00

01:00:42.320 We did that for free.

01:00:43.860 Okay.

01:00:44.680 No, not every speaking event is done for free.

01:00:47.400 Um, but the turning point one was, that was a gift for Charlie.

01:00:51.180 That was a gift for turning point.

01:00:52.720 Um, so again, that's just an example of like, what people say online is not, they don't know.

01:00:59.520 They just don't know.

01:01:00.920 It's just not representative of reality.

01:01:03.100 And that is true for you too.

01:01:05.160 So you just stay the course, woman, you stay the course and you run the race that Jesus 1.00

01:01:11.120 has marked out for you.

01:01:12.840 You obey his word.

01:01:14.500 You listen to his voice.

01:01:16.460 You submit to your own husband and your own church leadership.

01:01:21.660 You take the wisdom of the elders and the wise and godly people in your life and do not

01:01:28.020 be persuaded or dissuaded by the just empty chatter of people online.

01:01:35.020 All right.

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01:02:57.180 All right, I've just got one more quick thing to talk about.

01:03:05.660 But first, I want to give a shout out to Mike Winger.

01:03:11.120 He's got a very popular YouTube platform.

01:03:13.680 He's very biblically clear.

01:03:14.920 Appreciate him so much.

01:03:15.900 He has a whole series on women in ministry.

01:03:19.000 What should that look like practically, and what does the Bible have to say about that?

01:03:23.180 So I just encourage you to go watch that.

01:03:25.820 I learned a lot.

01:03:26.800 You'll learn a lot.

01:03:27.820 But I want to end this episode with a call to share the arrows, okay?

01:03:31.480 We got to share the arrows with a sister in Christ.

01:03:33.700 Her name is Elizabeth Eddy.

01:03:35.660 She is a soccer player, a professional soccer player for Angel City FC.

01:03:42.040 And she wrote the op-ed, this op-ed in the New York Post, arguing that only women should 0.99

01:03:49.680 be playing in the National Women's Soccer League.

01:03:52.320 Oh my goodness, how radical.

01:03:54.400 Her teammates then publicly criticized her, calling her a racist and calling her transphobic,

01:04:01.580 okay?

01:04:01.880 So here's what she had to say that was apparently so controversial in her op-ed.

01:04:07.500 She said, I'm concerned that without clarity about who the league is for, it will lose

01:04:12.720 its identity and its momentum.

01:04:15.340 She proposed specific testing methods to verify players' eligibility, writing, the NWSL,

01:04:22.040 National Women's Soccer League, must adopt a clear standard.

01:04:25.380 She said that maybe a standard should be all players must be born with ovaries, as another

01:04:30.760 sports organization requires.

01:04:32.760 Another option Eddy mentioned was an SRY gene test, like those world athletics and world

01:04:38.980 boxing implemented.

01:04:41.360 Eddy cited the NIH, that's the National Institutes of Health, showing measurable differences between

01:04:46.400 men and women in muscle mass, bone density, and cardiovascular capacity, which directly

01:04:50.920 affect competitive outcomes. 0.99

01:04:52.740 It's so stupid that we even have to say this. 0.99

01:04:54.760 We've talked about that Duke University study over and over again since 2012 that showed the 0.99

01:05:00.260 gap in performance between elite female athletes like Tori Bowie and high school male athletes,

01:05:06.880 that the high school male track athletes beat the world record of the Olympian track athlete

01:05:16.500 like 15,000 times, okay?

01:05:19.200 That is the difference between male and female because they concluded of one difference, one 0.84

01:05:26.080 thing that makes all the difference in athletic performance, and that is the existence of

01:05:31.380 testes.

01:05:32.400 I bet you didn't think we would say that word today on the show, but that's what they said.

01:05:36.420 The production of testosterone is what makes the difference in not only in puberty, but also

01:05:43.420 in utero.

01:05:44.140 So their bone density, their muscle mass, their aerobic and anaerobic capacity, even if they

01:05:51.640 go on cross-sex hormones, it is insurmountable. 0.92

01:05:55.860 A woman just cannot overcome that. 1.00

01:05:58.740 And so she is speaking the scientific truth about this in an op-ed.

01:06:03.880 Like she didn't even bring up any ideological argument.

01:06:07.340 She brought up a scientific argument.

01:06:09.300 She is a Christian.

01:06:10.640 Christians are very clear on this.

01:06:11.980 So good for her, and here is what her own teammates had to say.

01:06:15.720 Thought 10.

01:06:16.840 We've all obviously seen the article that was written in the New York Post earlier this

01:06:21.680 week, so I really want to start off by saying that that article does not speak for this team

01:06:27.680 in this locker room.

01:06:29.080 I've had a lot of combos with my teammates in the past few days, and they are hurt, and

01:06:35.960 they are harmed by the article, and also they are disgusted by some of the things that

01:06:40.400 were said in the article, and it's really important for me to say that.

01:06:44.140 And we don't agree with the things written for a plethora of reasons, but mostly the

01:06:49.880 undertones come across as transphobic and racist as well.

01:06:53.480 The article calls for genetic testing on certain players, and it has a photo of an African player

01:07:00.100 as a headline, and that's very harmful, and to me it's inherently racist because to single

01:07:05.440 out this community based on them looking or being different is absolutely a problem.

01:07:11.080 That's what I have to say.

01:07:15.460 I just cannot racist because they dared use a picture of a black woman.

01:07:22.540 You know what?

01:07:22.920 I can't speak for this sweet soccer player who probably didn't want this controversy, and

01:07:28.500 let me just say before I say what I'm about to say, Elizabeth, like, go to her Instagram. 0.92

01:07:32.680 I have it on my story.

01:07:33.780 Well, I probably don't anymore, but I did yesterday.

01:07:35.760 Okay, Elizabeth, Eddie, go to her Instagram, comment nice things, send her a message, pray

01:07:41.380 for her.

01:07:41.700 This is a sister in Christ.

01:07:42.860 This is sharing the arrows, okay? 0.85

01:07:44.500 We say, hey, bully over there.

01:07:46.340 Yeah, whatever arrows you're sending towards her, you can send them my way too.

01:07:49.940 Yeah, thanks.

01:07:51.000 Like, oh, you're going to call her that?

01:07:52.580 You can call me that.

01:07:53.160 I don't care.

01:07:54.380 Oh, you're going to bully her?

01:07:55.460 You can bully me too.

01:07:56.600 Go for it.

01:07:57.460 And thousands of us stand up and say, you know, you're not alone.

01:08:01.140 Okay, you don't have to bully the bullies.

01:08:02.520 You can just say, you know what?

01:08:04.120 I'm going to absorb some of this blow too, because that is treating other people how

01:08:08.840 we would want to be treated.

01:08:10.220 This sister in Christ stood up for what is good, right, and true, and protection of women

01:08:14.000 and girls, and she is getting blasted for it in the comments. 1.00

01:08:17.320 She's getting blasted from her own teammates.

01:08:19.260 She's being called things that are just not true.

01:08:21.020 They are maligning her character because she spoke to what is biologically a fact.

01:08:26.120 And so this woman says, she doesn't agree.

01:08:29.220 What don't you agree with?

01:08:30.140 You don't agree with the science?

01:08:31.540 It doesn't matter.

01:08:32.340 It doesn't matter whether you agree with it or not.

01:08:34.880 Okay, I'm going to try to, I'm trying to be nice here.

01:08:38.460 I'm trying to be nice because I just don't want, I don't want anything that I have to

01:08:43.080 say to be used against Elizabeth even more.

01:08:47.680 But I have some not nice things to say to that woman who was just speaking.

01:08:52.800 I'll just say this.

01:08:53.840 You're wrong.

01:08:54.780 You're wrong.

01:08:55.800 Science proves you're wrong.

01:08:57.120 Morality proves you're wrong.

01:08:58.480 History will prove you wrong. 0.96

01:08:59.900 And you're selfish.

01:09:01.880 Sorry, I couldn't help it. 1.00

01:09:02.900 You're selfish. 0.98

01:09:03.680 You're selfish because you've already made your way in soccer and you don't care about

01:09:08.540 the teenage girls that are coming up behind you that won't get the scholarship and won't

01:09:12.720 get the opportunity because a man is taking their place.

01:09:16.200 You're selfish.

01:09:18.020 And Elizabeth is the opposite of that and good for her. 0.82

01:09:20.980 And she deserves all of our applause and she deserves our support.

01:09:23.880 So go give it to her and share her arrows. 0.99

01:09:26.980 Okay.

01:09:28.000 All in all, women are awesome. 1.00

01:09:30.740 That's all I have to say.

01:09:31.940 And we will be back here on Friday.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - November 05, 2025

Ep 1263 ｜ My 'Feminist' Speech Controversy： A Biblical Response

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