Ep 1263 ｜ My 'Feminist' Speech Controversy： A Biblical Response
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Summary
A clip from one of my speeches went viral and ignited quite the controversy and argument about what women s role is not only in the body of Christ, but in society as a whole. So we ll talk about all of that today. Also, we ve got a professional soccer player who is speaking out in defense of women and girls. She s getting trashed for it, but not here. We re standing up for her and all women who are speaking up for what is good, right, and true.
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A clip from one of my speeches went viral on X and ignited quite the controversy and
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argument about what women's role is, not only in the body of Christ, but also in society
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We've got a professional soccer player who is speaking out in defense of women and girls.
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We are standing up for her and all women who are speaking up for what is good, right,
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Today's episode of Relatable is brought to you by our friends at Good Ranchers.
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I'm recording this on Tuesday before the results of Election Day, and so I can't give
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my commentary on the results of the New York City election or the Virginia election.
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I have a feeling that the New York City election did not go a happy way, and we'll see about
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Virginia and if the people there had any sense not to elect someone who endorsed a guy who
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supports murdering his political enemies and their children.
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I'll have more commentary, I'm sure, on social media today.
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We are going to be talking about a theological topic, and that is women in the church and
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So, let me set up why we are talking about this today, and it has to do with a controversy
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that I would call a pretty manufactured controversy.
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And we're going to talk about this to understand the context of why we're discussing this topic,
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I hope that this really offers you, yes, clarity, but more than anything, courage.
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And not only as a Christian woman, but also just in general.
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This is about not being swayed by people's opinions, whether they are positive or negative.
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This is about running the race that has been marked out for you by the God who created you
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and who has filled you with his Holy Spirit and staying steadfast on that path, no matter
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And if you listen to Monday's episode, you heard me talk about this a little bit, and you
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might have heard me reference being a bit discouraged on Instagram, and I've got the best audience
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You guys rushed to pray for me and to edify me, and there were so many notes sent and messages
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sent that just reminded me not only of how amazing you guys are and the audience that
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has been built here at Relatable, but also just the truth of God's Word and truly just the
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But let me tell you a little bit more about this controversy that has lasted over days
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So, there is a segment of males on the right, presumably the political right, who also profess
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to be Christians, who have been expressing their utter indignation that I gave a speech
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And that in that speech, I talked about the dangers of pornography, and maybe some of
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On social media, it got a million views, and men and women who follow me on Instagram
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Instead, I was called a feminist, I was called a bad mom, a negligent wife who was trying to
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I was told that I should only talk to women or that I should not talk at all, that women
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These are not just, well, they are kind of random accounts, but they're not just accounts
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They're largely anonymous, but they are part of what I would call a growing segment of online
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And one day, for those of you, my sweet audience members, a lot of whom are not on X and are
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just not super online, I am going to like draw out a map.
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I'm going to like put up a whiteboard, or maybe I'll draw it out, and we'll make a graphic
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of all of these different segments of the internet, all of the different segments of
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the right, because I do think there's a lot of confusion.
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There's like weird crossover with different Israel views.
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It's all strangely interconnected, and if you're not super inundated in that, which you shouldn't
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be, then it might be a little bit confusing to try to figure out who these people actually
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It's newer in that it's kind of been prevalent over the past couple years or so.
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But this is a big shift from how it used to be.
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A lot of these people are in the Reformed theology camp.
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A lot of them are, you know, who they would call trad Catholics.
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And so it's a lot of like Reformed Presbyterian and Baptist people and a lot of Catholics and
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a lot of people who just, I mean, by the fruit of what they say are not Christians by any
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definition, but what they kind of like, I don't know, the Christian aesthetic or the Christian
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ethos or the authority that they think Christianity gives them.
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And so they kind of use it as a cudgel against people.
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And this has certainly changed, I think, in the past few years on the side of conservatism.
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So as I said last week, I spoke at Turning Point last Monday.
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This, of course, was supposed to be Charlie's campus tour.
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And he had texted me in August asking if I could join him on November 3rd in Alabama
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And so when Turning Point asked if I would instead come to Louisiana State University,
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And in order to honor Charlie, my speech reflected five of the most controversial truth that Charlie
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taught the first one and the longest one was that feminism has failed women.
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It has encouraged things like promiscuity, abortion, putting all of your energy into professions,
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into plants, into pets, into politics instead of people.
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And I emphasize that all women in one way or another are called to mother.
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Women, you were given this unique capacity to create and then sustain life.
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And for so long, feminism has told us that this is an obstacle, that this actually inhibits
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And we have to start seeing motherhood and being a wife as the high callings that they are.
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We have to honor these roles as the high callings that they are.
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But here's what I want to say, because God doesn't always promise to give any of us exactly
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What I want to say to you women, that even if you are not a wife or a mom, maybe you will
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Maybe that's not the road that God has for you, that you are still called to mother.
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And here's what I mean by that, that every single woman has this amazing, incredible
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ability to cultivate and to beautify and to nurture and to grow.
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And that energy is not supposed to be channeled into your profession, into politics, into plants
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All of those things are meant to be channeled into people.
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So even if you are not yet a mother, even if motherhood is not in your future channel,
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all of those unique and womanly capabilities and skills that you have into people, into
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children, into young women, lead Bible studies, volunteer at church, see how you can serve
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them, see how you can teach them, see how you can love them, see how you can become even
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And then the third truth is that merit trumps DEI.
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The fourth is that America is a Christian nation.
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And the fifth and most important is that Jesus is the only way to heaven.
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And I wanted to make this appeal, yes, to honor Charlie's message and mission, but also
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And you know, Charlie, Charlie was so good at talking about this and so good at talking
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so courageously and sternly and clearly to the young men.
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Here's what we know about porn and why it is so detrimental, not only to men, although it
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It commercializes sex, which is a gift from God for a married couple between one man and
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It is evil in every way, and it will destroy your life.
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And this is what I would want to say to men, and I hope that you hear it from strong men
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And we need those things to be harnessed for good.
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We need you to bravely stand up for the most vulnerable, to stand up for women and children
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and for the unborn, to raise a respectful ruckus for the things that matter.
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We'll get into the online reaction and my response to it in just a second.
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Okay, so there were a variety of criticisms from those who profess to be Christian conservatives.
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And I will just say, first of all, before I even list these criticisms, this is not representative
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It's not representative of the audience in that room.
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As you could hear, that segment, and you didn't get to listen to the whole segment there, although
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the whole speech is on my YouTube page and you can watch it for yourself, there was a
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And I saw a lot of people saying, oh, you know, Allie shouldn't be surprised by this negative
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Well, there wasn't a negative reaction in person.
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And again, I think this is instructive for all of us to be able to respond to these.
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She should just, she should focus on women.
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Number three, she took the place of a man.
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And number four, a violation of biblical commands.
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And we'll spend the most time responding to that one.
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And I just want to make sure that I'm understanding here what is being argued, because it's so
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And whenever I'm talking to someone that I think is arguing from a place of emotion, I
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And I'm going to bring logic and reasonableness into the conversation, because Christians are
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called to be reasonable and say, what do you mean by that?
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Where are you getting, where are you getting that term?
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Like, okay, if a woman is saying something true in public, did she just do a feminism?
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It's really important that we get on the same page, because from my understanding, as I talked
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about, for the longest portion of that speech, feminism might come in many iterations, but
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what it has convinced women is not just that they can be equal to a man, but that they can
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And so when a woman is denying her own unique femininity and attempts to be like a man and
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to be a man and to take the place of a man, that could be argued that that is a conclusion or a fruit of
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feminism, which, of course, I argued is a failure for women.
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But feminism says we don't need masculinity.
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Women can do everything just as well as a man can.
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And in fact, you heard in that clip that I said that we need masculinity.
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One of the most viewed PragerU videos is my PragerU video from 2019.
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I think it was 2019 or no, this would have been 2018 because this is before I had babies.
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In 2018, where I debunked this myth of toxic masculinity.
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And for five minutes, I explain why masculinity is so important and so necessary to a functioning
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My audience there was a bunch of 19 and 20 year olds.
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There were some grownups there, some out of college people, but a lot of 19 and 20 year
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And as I said, I got a very enthusiastic response.
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There were a lot of young men in this room who were happy to hear an older sister in Christ
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plead with them in a very respectful and loving and affirming way that you are needed, that
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your strength is needed, that your leadership is needed.
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It was not reacted to the way the internet reacted to it at all.
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Male seminary students and college students, after I was done with my speech, lined up behind
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It was taken exactly as I intended it as affirmation and as encouragement and a pleading from a female
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perspective to turn away from the damage of porn.
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And I got a really sweet post from someone who said, you know, I showed this to my 17 year
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old son and he had never really seen this or heard this from a female perspective.
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And it really changed kind of like how he thought about this.
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And he said that his son shared it with a bunch of his friends.
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Um, and I think it's super important for men to hear this from other strong men, but it's
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okay for women to also say, Hey, this is damaging.
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And like, we really appreciate you as a man and appreciate your strength.
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Um, so this negative reaction was from a very niche segment of the online male, right?
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Um, the accusation that I, Allie Beth Stuckey, I'm a feminist is laughable.
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Those of you who know me, who have been listening to me, who have been reading me for any amount
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of time, you know, how hard I go against the tenets of feminism against, uh, the gender
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ideology that I think was born of feminism in many ways actually argue that in this speech
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that the ideology of feminism led to the idea that a man can become a woman, how hard I go
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against abortion, how hard I go against every tenant of progressivism and look by the grace
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There is probably not another Christian woman in the conservative commentary space who has,
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who has made more of an effort than I have to pull women away from progressivism, to try
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to change women's minds and hearts when it comes to abortion, to try to change women's
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minds and hearts when it comes to marriage, when it comes to the reproductive technology
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industry, when it comes to even changing their mind on things like immigration and crime and
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the death penalty who have tried, who's tried so hard.
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And by the grace of God, in many ways, effectively, I mean, maybe there's some people out there whose
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minds haven't been changed, but the Lord is so kind to show me the messages from people
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who say, yeah, I was a victim of toxic empathy.
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I was pro, I was anti-death penalty and all of these things.
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And I have tried my darndest as a woman in my female capacity from my feminine perspective
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to write to women for women, to try to pull them away from the trap of progressivism and
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So to say that I am a feminist who preaches to men really is just laughable.
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And it just goes to show that people will just lie to just know that, like people will just
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And I think it was Pastor Todd Wagner who originally said, leadership in any way is a commitment
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And that is true if you have any kind of audience.
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There is going to be a level of deliberate misunderstanding and misrepresentation that you
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don't have to like, but you do just kind of have to realize is going to be there.
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The second one that I shouldn't preach to men, that I should just focus on women, I mean,
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I mean, look at the, look at the covers of my books, look at the color of them.
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Do those look like books that are trying to target a masculine audience?
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I have been writing to women, for women, talking to women, for women, very intentionally since
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Like that was, that was the beginning of this for me.
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Um, this started because I was leading a Bible study of freshman college girls when I was
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And that was the beginning of course, of that election season started talking about, okay,
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what does the Bible have to say about abortion and politics and things like that?
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And I was actually able to persuade one of the girls in my Bible study who believed that
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she was a Bernie Sanders supporting pro-choice girl, that the Bible doesn't support abortion.
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And of course today, by the grace of God, she's totally changed her heart and mind on all
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Uh, but that's where it, that's where it started.
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Thankful for the husbands too, of the Related Gals in this audience.
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But this has been an intentional creation of something for women that gives them clarity
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Um, it, you know, it's funny though, because we just had Share the Arrows and, you know,
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we had 6,700 women attend our second annual Share the Arrows.
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And it was a solid biblical conference just for women.
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And the clips that were circulating of Share the Arrows, the same crowd had the same criticisms
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that this is somehow feminism and this is somehow wrong.
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And so the goalposts seem to always move when you're talking exclusively to women.
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Women shouldn't be talking when you're talking to men and women.
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Women shouldn't be talking to a mixed crowd at all, even outside of church.
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And so you just, it just goes to show you cannot live by the crowd.
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Okay, so there's this like weird criticism out there that by me being up at the turning
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point podium, which I've done many, many times over the past eight years, that I took the
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place of a man, that that should be a man's job and a man's job only.
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And there's this idea that this is a zero sum game, that if I have a podcast or am I if
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I'm asked to speak or if I do the Jubilee debate, then that means that I am taking the
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And if I am not asked to do those things, then these people would be invited.
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There's this idea that if I didn't have Relatable, that all of the women who listen to Relatable
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or all of the women who come to share the arrows would go to their conferences and listen
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And like, I hope that you would agree with that because men and women are interchangeable,
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Like men and women bring a unique thing to the table.
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We can't just be exchanged out like widgets like you agree with that.
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And if that's the case, then you sitting in this place is not going to do the same.
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Like if you want to lead, then you should lead.
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If you want to speak out, then you should speak out.
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And if you have something to say, then people will listen.
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And if you are someone that is worth following, then people will follow you.
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That doesn't mean that everyone with followers are people worth following.
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Um, but if you have been trying to lead and you've been trying to lend your voice to the
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public sphere and you feel like, gosh, I'm just not getting the attention or the following
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that I need, it might not be anyone else's fault.
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Like we all just have to ask ourselves, like, are we in the lane that God has called us to?
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Are we using our gifts, our true gifts, the way that God has called us to use them?
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Like the truth is, is that not everyone, male or female, is made for the public sphere.
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Not everyone is like we have all different kinds of talents, all different kinds of
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callings, all different kinds of strengths and, and weaknesses.
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And even if you believe that men in general are more suited for the public sphere than,
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And in general, like I, I would probably say that's true.
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Statistically, I would probably say that's true.
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That doesn't mean that all men are cut out for it and all women are not cut out for it.
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Like there is just a level of toughness and reasonableness that I think is required to
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And like, I think about Jubilee and how thankfully, like the Lord just met me there and the Holy
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Spirit helped me so much navigate those conversations and how I was able to use, um, actually like my
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uniqueness as a woman in that very tenuous situation to contend for the faith.
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I think that that was a huge asset to me, uh, in the moment that I didn't have to abandon
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my femininity or my gentleness or my friendliness or my womanhood in any way to very effectively
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And there is this idea, I think by a lot of these people who also criticized my Jubilee
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performance that, well, you know, she's a woman, so she can't have done as good of a
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Some man, well, okay, I guess, you know, I won't say anything about that.
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Maybe you'll get the opportunity to do that one day and you can prove that to everyone.
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I hope, I hope that for you, um, but a lot of people who fancy themselves good debaters
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You have to have a lot of self-control and I will just say a lot of people who are in
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this conversation online don't have a lot of self-control and fall into logical fallacies
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very easily and fall into emotion driven arguments and project their own offense on what someone
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is saying extremely easily and male or female, if that is your propensity, you're not cut
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Now, here's the, here's the most important thing.
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The most important contention is that, um, me speaking to a group like that at turning
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point or me speaking at all, because again, I get the same criticism.
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If I'm even speaking at a women's conference, like share the arrows, um, that this is not
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No matter who is saying this to you, um, you need to open up your ear to this because
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when someone quotes scripture, we need to be able to look at the word of God.
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And even if it rubs you the wrong way, even if you don't want to hear it, even if it makes
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you feel guilty, we should listen and we should be willing to humble ourselves and say, okay,
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even if I don't like that person, even if I don't like their tone, even if I don't like
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what they're saying is what they're saying true.
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Now that my, the critics in this case did not lend me, uh, that same respect, but I want
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to do that, not because I care about them, uh, but because I care about the word of God.
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And so there are a few things, a few scriptures that were kind of lodged when it comes to the
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One, um, that wives need to submit to their husbands.
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And that would be a quotation of Ephesians five.
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We've talked about this passage so much as it comes to marriage and the definition of
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marriage, but starting with verse 22, wives submit to your own husband as to the Lord
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for the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church, his body
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Now, as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands.
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So that's one verse that I've seen that in me doing this is a lack of submission and male
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And then there's also first Corinthians 14, 34 through 35 quoted.
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And by the way, they're not usually actually quoting the exact verses.
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I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt here and actually pointing to the scripture.
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So this is in the context of Paul talking to the church in Corinth about the orderliness
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He talks about the different ways to prophesy speaking in tongues and all of that.
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He says, as in all the churches of the saints, the women should keep silent in the churches
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for they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission.
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As the law also says, if there is anything that they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands
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at home for it is shameful for a woman to speak in church.
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Now, even the most conservative and patriarchal church that I know of will allow a woman to
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sing and will allow a woman to maybe give announcements or to say something pertaining to the children's
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And so even the most literal interpretation of this, when Paul is saying women should keep
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silent, is typically interpreted as women should not be teaching in the churches.
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First Timothy 2.11, let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness.
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I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man.
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Again, this is in the context of the local church.
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And then another criticism is that while women should be keepers of the home and clearly you're
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on a stage and so you're not following Titus 2.3-8, older women likewise are to be reverent
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in behavior, not slanderers or slaves to much wine.
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They are to teach what is good and so train the young women to love their husbands and children
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to be self-controlled, pure, working at home, kind, and submissive to their own husbands that
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Likewise, urge the younger men to be self-controlled.
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Show yourself in all respects to be a model of good works.
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And in your teaching, show integrity, dignity, and sound speech that cannot be condemned so
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that an opponent may be put to shame, having nothing evil to say about us.
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We see it over and over again that all demographics, that all age groups, that all genders are to
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Now, I'm not saying the command is the same, doesn't manifest itself the same way for every
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single group, clearly here, but we see over and over again that self-control is so important
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They are not to prioritize something, put something first that is not their home.
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And so, as I have always said, I think there is some work that allows women to do this,
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and there is some work that does not allow women to do this.
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There are some jobs that make this flexibility and prioritization possible, and there are some
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And there are different seasons of life that call for different things for women, and I think
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I have been extremely consistent on that, and I am so incredibly thankful that I have
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a job that allows me to have the flexibility that I do.
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I am so thankful for the setup that we have in our home, and I always hesitate because I
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don't want it to seem like, well, I have to give an account to these random men on the
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internet exactly how we run our home and exactly what my schedule is, exactly what my day-to-day
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But a lot of you know, I've talked about this publicly, that my husband, Chief Related
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He runs all of the business part of everything.
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And I'm so thankful that when it comes to this professional sphere, that all I have to
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All I have to worry about is the content of what I say.
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I love talking, teaching, communicating with you, mentoring you, talking with you.
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And he runs and leads and organizes and manages all of the business side of everything we do.
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My parents and I, we live very close to each other.
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You know, I'm so private about our family life and for good reason.
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But just to give you like a little peek, I saw someone criticize the fact that I was at
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It was actually a blaze colleague, like echoing this, like, oh, well, you know, where are
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Like, I can just tell you that my husband and I went to Baton Rouge there and back same
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evening while my kids spent a few hours with my parents.
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We make a lot of sacrifices to make sure that our kids are as involved as possible.
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We, my husband and I saw someone else say, oh, she must never spend time with her husband,
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which actually made me laugh out loud because my husband and I spend a ridiculous amount
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We are together all the time and we do everything possible to involve our kids in everything
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For example, a couple of weeks ago, we went to Michigan again, there and back very quick,
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And we brought our six-year-old and it was like such a great time.
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In California, the Lord lined it up to where we had all of these different business engagements
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and speaking engagements and we didn't go there and back and leave our kids every time we had
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We instead made it a two and a half week trip where we brought our entire family.
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I am not in any spiritual obligation to any random man on the internet.
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Um, and so all of these biblical commands that are so important that we should adhere to by
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the grace of God, like we as a family are doing our very best as imperfect people, but
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And like, I appreciate the concern random men on the internet.
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Like we're good and we're following God's calling on our life and we're doing it again
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Um, and all of us, every one of us, male and female are called to make disciples, to make
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And again, that might look different for men and for women, but every single one of us are
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And I'm very, very thankful for the disciples, the many women, female disciples.
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Um, that God has created through the vessel of relatable and share the arrows.
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The fruit of that is very evident and the Lord consistently reminds me of the fruit of
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And so I know a lot of you get worried about me feeling down or getting discouraged.
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And I appreciate you always trying to buoy me and pray for me, but honestly, like your
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testimonies and how you tell me you were affected by a guest or a line or whatever it
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was like the Lord uses that as fuel to keep me going.
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Um, but again, we're doing this for the glory of God.
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I'm doing this for building up the body of Christ.
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I'm not doing this for the opinion, the good opinion or bad opinion of anyone, because that
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You'll notice that I didn't actually show you any of the posts that were kind of stirring
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And it really just happens like whenever there's a clip of me going around it all, it's become
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A lot of people have ABS derangement syndrome and it's, it is weird to see like your name
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become something that people know generates clicks.
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And I will say, like, can I just have a moment of humility and self-reflection?
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Like it has made me think about how I discuss people's moments.
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Like when they say something that people are deeming controversial and I chime in on that.
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Yes, of course, if a false teacher is preaching a false gospel, I will call them a false teacher.
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We have a lot of biblical examples of the importance of doing that.
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But I'm not going to go into someone's personal life.
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I'm not going to, I just don't, uh, don't do that.
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But I, like, I will publicly disagree with someone.
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Again, I think there's a lot of biblical precedent for that.
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I think that we can contend with someone's argument and like their biblical take on something.
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I've done that many times, but it has made me think a little bit more.
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And I just wonder if the Lord is using this to like teach me in some way.
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And so I do, I just want to like remain open and humble to what the Lord might be showing me.
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And even though I think the critics, many of them are acting totally in, in bad faith and
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are just like wrong biblically, like we should remain open to what the Lord might be teaching
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Like in any given moment, we should pay attention to those convictions.
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And when you start thinking, huh, this doesn't feel good.
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I hope that I've done this in like a biblically accurate way, but it just makes you think,
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okay, now I, like I can see from this perspective, I see it a little bit differently now.
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And I want to be even more careful in the future, like how I talk about people and how I talk about
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And you guys who have been following me know that I try really, really hard to be as respectful
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and accurate as possible, but I'm sure I haven't always gotten it right.
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Um, and so it's just made me say, huh, I want to be even more cautious about this because
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I see how like discouraging and difficult it must be.
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And when people just lie about you and they misrepresent you or people latch onto a lie,
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I've had multiple people reach out to me and apologize because they're like, oh, I believe
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this misrepresentation of you or your marriage or your home or, or your business or whatever.
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And I just want to like apologize for believing that first of all, don't reach out to me and
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tell me that like, that's just an inside thought.
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I don't need to know that you believe that lie about me, but that can be super frustrating.
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And so we should all just be super cautious about what we are repeating, what we're saying
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and what the motivations behind what we are saying.
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Are we correcting someone because we want to build up the body of Christ and because the
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truth really matters and we're hoping to rebuke and edify in a biblical way, or are we just
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doing something because it's generating clicks because it's a controversy.
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And I do want us to remember again, that all of us are called to self-control and all of
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us are called to pay close attention to our speech.
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This segment of the male right, again, a lot of them, I don't actually think are believers,
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They are very degrading, very rude to women across the board.
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And guys, if you're listening to this, I'm going to tell you what I tell my female audience,
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If something doesn't describe you, then it's not about you.
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If you are the anomaly or you are the exception, you don't have to tell me.
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But if I'm not talking about you when I'm describing this, if you feel like you had a
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very legitimate concern that you raised in a very kind way, then I'm not talking about
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But a lot of these people in this segment of the so-called right are just very rude and very
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crass, very degenerate, very depraved, and very, very calloused.
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And I just want to remind us of what the Bible has to say for all of us, regardless of our
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Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God?
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Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,
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nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the
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You're going to go to hell if you're a reviler?
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Someone who is taken to fits of anger, who slanders.
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So that means saying something negative about someone that is not true, a gossip, someone
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who uses words, especially untrue words, to maliciously hurt someone's character.
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This is someone who misrepresents someone to try to tear down their character.
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A reviler will not inherit the kingdom of God.
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We consistently see homosexuality and sexual immorality in the same list as slander and
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Romans 1, 28 through 32, talking about people who were given to homosexuality, goes on to
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say in verse 29, they were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil covetousness,
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wanting what someone else has, malice, full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness,
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gossip, slanders, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient
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to parents, foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless.
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Though they know God's righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die,
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they not only do them, but give approval to those who practice them.
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And I think of a lot of the excuse making of extremely crass people from this segment of
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the right, a lot of these people will hail and honor people like Nick Fuentes, who of
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course is extremely haughty and reviles and is crass and is crude and is brutal and is
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All of these people, all of these characteristics that are listed in this segment.
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And so they will give approval to those who practice these things.
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And this description here in Romans 1 are describing people who have been given over to the depravity
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They're actually put in the same category as people who are homosexual, who are practicing
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homosexuality, the same kind of depravity of mind.
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And, you know, I made this point that Rosaria Butterfield made so good that you are not going
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to win people over to the gospel by affirming the very sins that Christ died for.
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And there's this idea in this segment that if you kind of match their tone and you match
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their words and you match their strategies, well, then these young men will become Christians.
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Well, just as you can't affirm homosexuality and affirm LGBTQ ideology in the hopes that you're
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going to win people over to Christ, you're also not going to affirm slander and crassness
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and crudeness and brutality and win people over to the cross of Christ.
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Second Timothy 3, 1 through 5 says that in the last days there will come times of difficulty
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for people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient
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to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control,
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brutal, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure.
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Rather than lovers of God, having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power, avoid such
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And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
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Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you along
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Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another as God in Christ forgave
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Remember that gentleness is a fruit of the Spirit that is applied to all of us, that should
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Self-control is a fruit of the Spirit that is for all of us.
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A gentle and quiet spirit is something that women are told that we should have in Scripture,
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That does not mean that we have no role to play in pushing back against darkness.
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And yes, of course, that high calling of being a wife and a mother, doing the next right
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Like doing the thing with our home, with our children.
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But there are times, as we see throughout Scripture, that women are also called to raise a voice
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and to be a bastion and refuge of clarity and courage.
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And remember, gentle and quiet is not just something that is applied to women.
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Gentleness is a fruit of the Spirit for everyone.
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There are some takeaways here, and we'll get to that in just a second.
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Okay, so there's a few things that I want to say.
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Number one, women, even in all of this, even if you're discouraged by this, some of you
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may have been the target of their ire on social media.
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Do not run into the arms of feminism because there are some men who have made you mad.
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Some people on the left say, oh, ABS, she's getting a taste of her own medicine.
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Now she's going to see that conservatism is bad.
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Now she's going to see that the Southern Baptist Convention is bad, or being a Baptist,
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or being traditional, or whatever, that she's never going to be good enough.
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Oh, you were under the impression that I was doing this for their approval?
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And I don't have my theology because I think it's going to get me likes.
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I don't believe the things I do because it's popular.
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If I wanted to be popular, I would not be a reformed Christian.
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Like I have very narrow beliefs and I am an anchor on the right, getting more and more people
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to come to what I believe is a biblical position on politics and culture.
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I say these things because I believe that they are right.
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And I'm doing my very best as a fallible person to follow the word of God.
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And women, that's what you are called to do.
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I've seen this happen so much with people who are deconstructing.
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Maybe people in their theological camp hurt them.
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They didn't like what was going on in their local church.
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Or maybe it was a professor who failed them or a pastor who failed them.
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And while I understand that, because you're thinking, wow, if this is the fruit of that
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belief system, then maybe it's not good at all.
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I actually think that's a fair thing to say and to make an assessment.
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You should look at the fruit of your belief system and the fruit of your doctrines.
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And that should make you go back to the word of God and say, okay, hang on.
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But the most important thing I said there is go back to the word of God.
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If you are looking at someone who shares beliefs that you do, someone in your church, someone
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in your theological or political camp, and you say, that fruit is rotten, that fruit
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is nasty, and their ministry is on a bad path, before you say, I'm out, and I don't want
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to be affiliated with what they believe, so I don't believe it either, before you say
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that, go to the word of God and say, okay, God, what do you say?
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You go to the word of God, and you say, Lord, give me the wisdom.
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And as long as you are following in God's word, you do not judge your effectiveness.
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We don't judge our effectiveness or our faithfulness by people's approval or disapproval
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of us, by people's reaction to us, whether they are on the left or the right.
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We judge our faithfulness by our alignment to God's word.
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And thankfully, God, if you are a Christian, has already stamped you approved and righteous
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before him, not because of anything you've done, not because of anything you say, but
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because of what Christ has done for you on the cross.
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He has wiped your slate clean and covered you with his blood and given you his righteousness.
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But as we are being sanctified and as we are trying to walk in his ways, we look to his
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OK, so don't run into the arms of people who are flattering you and who are telling you
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nice things and who are saying, oh, maybe progressivism is right.
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When he puts that wedge between when Satan puts that wedge between Eve and God by saying,
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but, you know, she saw that the fruit looked good.
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And if you feel yourself asking that or wondering that right now, don't run to the doubts.
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You want to starve your doubts with faith and knowledge from the word of God.
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If you live by the crowd, you will die by the crowd.
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If you are motivated by, if your race is marked by what people think of you,
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If you are motivated by your own self-love, if you're motivated by others' approval of you,
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by them cheering you on, then one day when all of that changes, when you say the wrong thing,
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when you make the wrong person mad, you are going to stop.
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But if you are running the race that is marked out for you, the calling that God has placed
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on your life, even if you get discouraged sometimes,
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the Holy Spirit will give you the perseverance and endurance to keep going.
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And the last thing I just want to say here is that women, like you are essential to the church.
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Our innate worth, which is so much better than feminism, is in the Imago Dei, that we are made
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in God's image, that we have equal value, that we have equal worth.
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That is the radical part of Christianity, that Jesus attends to the needs and recognizes the
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dignity of women, not from a place of feminism, but from a place of love, from recognizing the beauty
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And you know, the Bible, of course, written in a largely patriarchal society, and I'm certainly
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not someone who is like, wants to buck against that.
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I think patriarchy can be done in like a very beautiful way, should be done, and a very like
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But even amidst that backdrop, the writers of the Bible, inspired by the Holy Spirit,
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all of the people who were led by the Holy Spirit to compile the 66 books of the Bible,
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purposely included, these courageous stories of women obeying God at whatever cost, and God
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accomplishing His will through Esther, and through Ruth, and through Deborah, and through Abigail,
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and through Lydia, and through Jael, and through Rahab, and through Mary, and through Martha,
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They speak to women's unique value to the kingdom.
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That doesn't mean that women have the same role as men.
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I don't think that women should be pastors.
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I don't think they should be preaching at church from a pulpit to a mixed crowd.
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I don't think they need to be preaching on Sunday morning.
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Like I am, like you guys don't even know how like hardline I am on that, and how many
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opportunities I have turned down, and how many, like so, so many opportunities I have
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turned down because of that, because of that stance, because I believe it's biblical, and
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Um, and so we just have to make sure that our faithfulness is to what the word of God
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says, and what he says about women, and how he uses women, that we are abiding by Titus
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too, that we are ensuring that we are aligning with God's word and all of these things.
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And women, that doesn't exclude you from every sphere.
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Um, and while also acknowledging that motherhood and being a wife, like is an extremely high
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You've heard me say that about a bajillion times as a big focus of this podcast and how
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important that is and like why the culture wars actually matter to motherhood and all of
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And, um, I just want to like encourage you and comfort you, um, also, because I know a
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Don't, don't stop just because of these misguided people.
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And as long as the Lord calls me to this, as long as he gives me the grace to do this,
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and I am able to do this and prioritize my children and my husband, I will continue to do this.
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I don't know what every season is going to look like, but he has given me so much grace
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and so much provision in this moment, um, that I, he has allowed me to continue and I
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I should have said this earlier, but you've got all these people who are surmising about
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money and all of this stuff, because that's totally healthy to be like counting the pennies
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Um, that turning point of it, I, a lot of people are saying, oh, she got paid.
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She took money away from blah, blah, blah.
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Um, but the turning point one was, that was a gift for Charlie.
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Um, so again, that's just an example of like, what people say online is not, they don't know.
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So you just stay the course, woman, you stay the course and you run the race that Jesus
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You submit to your own husband and your own church leadership.
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You take the wisdom of the elders and the wise and godly people in your life and do not
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be persuaded or dissuaded by the just empty chatter of people online.
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All right, I've just got one more quick thing to talk about.
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But first, I want to give a shout out to Mike Winger.
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What should that look like practically, and what does the Bible have to say about that?
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But I want to end this episode with a call to share the arrows, okay?
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We got to share the arrows with a sister in Christ.
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She is a soccer player, a professional soccer player for Angel City FC.
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And she wrote the op-ed, this op-ed in the New York Post, arguing that only women should
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be playing in the National Women's Soccer League.
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Her teammates then publicly criticized her, calling her a racist and calling her transphobic,
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So here's what she had to say that was apparently so controversial in her op-ed.
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She said, I'm concerned that without clarity about who the league is for, it will lose
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She proposed specific testing methods to verify players' eligibility, writing, the NWSL,
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National Women's Soccer League, must adopt a clear standard.
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She said that maybe a standard should be all players must be born with ovaries, as another
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Another option Eddy mentioned was an SRY gene test, like those world athletics and world
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Eddy cited the NIH, that's the National Institutes of Health, showing measurable differences between
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men and women in muscle mass, bone density, and cardiovascular capacity, which directly
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We've talked about that Duke University study over and over again since 2012 that showed the
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gap in performance between elite female athletes like Tori Bowie and high school male athletes,
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that the high school male track athletes beat the world record of the Olympian track athlete
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That is the difference between male and female because they concluded of one difference, one
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thing that makes all the difference in athletic performance, and that is the existence of
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I bet you didn't think we would say that word today on the show, but that's what they said.
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The production of testosterone is what makes the difference in not only in puberty, but also
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So their bone density, their muscle mass, their aerobic and anaerobic capacity, even if they
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go on cross-sex hormones, it is insurmountable.
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And so she is speaking the scientific truth about this in an op-ed.
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Like she didn't even bring up any ideological argument.
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So good for her, and here is what her own teammates had to say.
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We've all obviously seen the article that was written in the New York Post earlier this
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week, so I really want to start off by saying that that article does not speak for this team
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I've had a lot of combos with my teammates in the past few days, and they are hurt, and
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they are harmed by the article, and also they are disgusted by some of the things that
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were said in the article, and it's really important for me to say that.
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And we don't agree with the things written for a plethora of reasons, but mostly the
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undertones come across as transphobic and racist as well.
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The article calls for genetic testing on certain players, and it has a photo of an African player
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as a headline, and that's very harmful, and to me it's inherently racist because to single
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out this community based on them looking or being different is absolutely a problem.
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I just cannot racist because they dared use a picture of a black woman.
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I can't speak for this sweet soccer player who probably didn't want this controversy, and
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let me just say before I say what I'm about to say, Elizabeth, like, go to her Instagram.
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Well, I probably don't anymore, but I did yesterday.
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Okay, Elizabeth, Eddie, go to her Instagram, comment nice things, send her a message, pray
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Yeah, whatever arrows you're sending towards her, you can send them my way too.
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And thousands of us stand up and say, you know, you're not alone.
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I'm going to absorb some of this blow too, because that is treating other people how
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This sister in Christ stood up for what is good, right, and true, and protection of women
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and girls, and she is getting blasted for it in the comments.
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She's being called things that are just not true.
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They are maligning her character because she spoke to what is biologically a fact.
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It doesn't matter whether you agree with it or not.
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Okay, I'm going to try to, I'm trying to be nice here.
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I'm trying to be nice because I just don't want, I don't want anything that I have to
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But I have some not nice things to say to that woman who was just speaking.
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You're selfish because you've already made your way in soccer and you don't care about
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the teenage girls that are coming up behind you that won't get the scholarship and won't
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get the opportunity because a man is taking their place.
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And Elizabeth is the opposite of that and good for her.
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And she deserves all of our applause and she deserves our support.
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So go give it to her and share her arrows.
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