Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1266 ｜ Just Asking Questions： A Response to Candace Owens & a Biblical Approach to Investigation

00:00:01.000 Candace Owens has had some questions for me, and I've got a response.

00:00:04.840 Really, today's episode is about how to investigate and seek the truth and ask questions in a

00:00:09.400 way that is edifying, in a way that is productive, and most importantly, in a way that is biblical

00:00:14.480 and glorifies God.

00:00:16.860 This will be quite an enlightening episode.

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00:00:47.240 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable.

00:00:49.220 Happy Wednesday.

00:00:50.360 Hope everyone is having a wonderful week so far.

00:00:53.340 Okay, we are back.

00:00:55.060 My dad was here on Monday.

00:00:56.680 If you want to know how this government shutdown is going to end, and if America is over, then

00:01:02.260 you need to listen to Monday's episode.

00:01:04.300 He does such a good job of breaking that down.

00:01:06.780 He also talked about, at the beginning of that episode, a PBS special that I was going

00:01:12.420 to film, and then it was going to go out around the March for Life in January, an abortion

00:01:18.780 debate.

00:01:19.760 However, that ended up not happening.

00:01:21.520 CR and I were supposed to go to New York City, and with all of the crazy travel stuff that

00:01:27.020 was happening, our flights got canceled, and so we weren't able to make that happen.

00:01:31.560 But you know, God is sovereign.

00:01:33.240 His eternal plan of redemption is going off without a hitch.

00:01:36.080 Nothing ever surprises him or takes him aback.

00:01:38.820 And so who knows the reason why that ended up not panning out when it seems like God is

00:01:44.700 doing one thing, he's doing a million things, many of them that we don't see.

00:01:49.080 And there have been so many times over the past couple of days, even though it would have

00:01:52.180 been fun to go to New York City in the fall with my husband, it has just struck me several

00:01:59.600 times that I'm so glad that I'm home.

00:02:01.780 Like, I'm so glad that I'm not traveling right now.

00:02:03.800 And I sure as heck am so glad that I didn't go to Manhattan and somehow get stuck.

00:02:10.380 I've heard so many crazy stories of all of you getting stuck in various cities for multiple

00:02:15.680 days, and I'm just so sorry about that.

00:02:17.760 And I'm so sorry for those of you, you or your spouse, you work for the government, you

00:02:23.860 work at an airport, and you haven't been able to get paid.

00:02:26.900 I know that's really demoralizing, and it just goes to show kind of the gridlock that

00:02:33.160 we have in Washington right now and the failure of the people who represent us, especially those

00:02:41.420 in the opposing party who are just not willing to come to the table and make things happen

00:02:46.160 that need to happen.

00:02:47.400 So hopefully there will be some relief on that.

00:02:50.920 Okay, before we get into the content of today's episode, I want to ask something of you.

00:02:56.040 I know I've got such a pro-life audience, and you want to not just talk the talk, but you

00:03:00.680 want to walk the walk.

00:03:02.560 And over the years, we have donated many, many baby and maternity items to pregnancy centers

00:03:09.900 across the country.

00:03:11.320 I have just been blessed to simply be a vessel of that, that a pregnancy center will reach

00:03:15.920 out to me and say, hey, we have made this Amazon wishlist or baby registry, and we really

00:03:22.060 need diapers. 1.00

00:03:22.700 We really need wipes or onesies.

00:03:25.200 And I will share that link with you guys, and you are so generous.

00:03:30.640 You click the link and you donate as much as possible.

00:03:33.200 And some of my favorite videos ever, y'all, are of these pregnancy centers just showing

00:03:38.600 me the boxes and boxes and boxes that have filled their centers of baby items because you

00:03:44.640 guys love moms and their babies so much.

00:03:47.160 And one of my favorite stories was this Amazon driver was delivering all of these boxes to

00:03:53.880 a pregnancy center in Texas and asked one of the staff there, what's going on?

00:03:58.840 Why do you have so many deliveries?

00:04:01.140 And they were not only able to share their mission there and the generosity of you guys,

00:04:05.720 but the thing that compels all of you to be generous, and that is the gospel of Jesus

00:04:09.500 Christ.

00:04:10.500 And right there, that Amazon driver prayed a prayer to follow Jesus.

00:04:16.340 How incredible is that?

00:04:17.660 So when I say God is doing, when it seems like He's doing one thing, He's actually doing

00:04:22.140 a million things.

00:04:23.080 You have no idea what your generosity accomplishes, not just in your obedience and stewarding your

00:04:30.540 money well, but also how God uses that to weave together people's testimonies.

00:04:35.600 And as you've heard me say so often, the grand tapestry of how our obedience and our testimonies

00:04:42.760 is interwoven with the testimonies of countless other people in the lives that we live here on

00:04:50.560 earth will not be fully seen or appreciated until the other side of glory.

00:04:56.380 Like heaven is going to be so amazing because we can see how God worked through every single

00:05:02.040 thing, even the hard things, even the scary things, even the unclear things, even the confusing

00:05:06.840 things.

00:05:07.700 God is doing amazing miracles every day through the unseen and unsung work of believers. 0.95

00:05:14.180 So I just want to encourage you in that.

00:05:16.120 Whenever your obedience seems small or whenever your generosity might seem unappreciated or whenever

00:05:21.700 you're discipling your kids or you're washing your dishes or you're sending that email

00:05:25.040 and it seems mundane and trivial, nothing is wasted in the life of the believer because God uses

00:05:30.740 all of it for his glory and our good eternally.

00:05:35.080 That leads me to a request that I have for you.

00:05:38.820 My sister-in-law, she runs a maternity home in the state of Georgia and it's called Hope

00:05:44.740 139 and it's based on Psalm 139 and the verses that say that God has knit us together in our

00:05:52.680 mother's womb and just how precious is that and how precious are all babies inside the womb.

00:05:57.980 And she cares not only for these babies, but also for moms who are very often in poverty. 0.83

00:06:03.500 They're in a crisis situation.

00:06:04.820 They are seeking refuge from abuse and she has created this incredible maternity home

00:06:09.280 there where she serves these families in crisis called Hope 139.

00:06:14.780 And they are one of these centers, one of these organizations that needs the help and the support

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00:06:21.200 And so because they have to supply these moms and babies with so much, they need our help. 0.95

00:06:27.920 They need our donations.

00:06:29.180 So I am going to put a link to Hope 139 in the description of this episode and I would

00:06:36.600 love for you to click on the website, learn more about what they do.

00:06:39.880 Maybe you're local to them and you can volunteer.

00:06:42.120 Maybe you're able to donate.

00:06:43.380 And just remember, like God uses that, not just in people's lives tangibly, but he uses

00:06:49.300 it eternally as well.

00:06:51.160 And my sister-in-law and her family have poured so much into this mission.

00:06:57.540 They get nothing out of these donations personally.

00:07:00.560 I certainly don't either.

00:07:02.000 This is all for these women and their babies so they can know the gospel and to feel the love

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00:07:08.740 So I'm going to include those links in the description of this episode.

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00:07:17.360 And if you can, and if you feel called, please make a donation.

00:07:21.860 That would mean a lot.

00:07:23.220 All right, let's get into what we are actually going to talk about today.

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00:09:08.260 All right.

00:09:09.000 Here are some questions that we'll be exploring today.

00:09:11.980 What does it mean to investigate?

00:09:15.080 What is truth-seeking?

00:09:17.020 And what is the significance of our words?

00:09:20.840 I want to explore these questions and other questions that I have from a biblical perspective

00:09:25.920 in light of the Candace Owens YouTube series on Charlie Kirk.

00:09:30.680 Now, there are a couple perspectives on her YouTube series.

00:09:35.440 Her supporters say that she's just asking questions, that they're just asking questions,

00:09:40.580 and they will say that Candace is really the only one who wants to know what happened to

00:09:46.600 Charlie and is doing the investigation that others won't.

00:09:49.500 Everyone else, their thinking goes, is just accepting the narrative fed to us by the FBI.

00:09:54.440 Or worse, they say they might be in on a conspiracy to murder Charlie Kirk.

00:10:01.120 And her supporters view her as a ride-or-die friend who will stop at nothing to bring the

00:10:07.760 truth to light and to seek justice.

00:10:09.540 The other perspective from her detractors is that she's spinning conspiracy theories, 0.98

00:10:16.120 that she is implicating the wrong people, that she's ginning up intrigue for lucrative

00:10:22.460 clicks and views, that she's perpetuating dangerous narratives about the Jews. 0.89

00:10:27.880 And before I give you my take on my perspective of her YouTube series,

00:10:33.520 let me answer this question that I have heard her ask and that I have seen

00:10:39.540 some of her audience ask, why would I wade into this at all?

00:10:45.180 Well, I can tell you first that there is no incentive to comment on anything that Candace does 0.99

00:10:52.080 or says.

00:10:52.960 One way or another, you're going to make people angry if you do, possibly including Candace herself.

00:10:59.860 And anyone who has ever gotten in Candace's crosshairs knows that if you do or say something

00:11:04.960 that she perceives as subverting her, she will retaliate with 10 times the force that you

00:11:12.040 approached her.

00:11:12.720 And that retaliation may involve attempts at character assassination.

00:11:16.980 And she's got an army of very loyal followers who feel very emboldened to amplify her messages

00:11:25.540 messages on social media.

00:11:27.660 So there is much well-founded hesitation, I would say, and in some cases, fear that some

00:11:35.300 people have.

00:11:36.980 People don't want to disagree with Candace publicly or push back against her at all.

00:11:44.080 She's got that massive audience. 0.95

00:11:45.980 She has a lot of power, the number one podcast in the world as of last week, which doesn't 0.64

00:11:51.200 surprise me at all.

00:11:52.360 She is incredibly talented.

00:11:54.120 She's got so much influence, probably more than anyone in right-wing media.

00:12:00.060 And, you know, she talks a lot about this kind of David versus Goliath dynamic on her podcast.

00:12:07.140 But the truth is that Candace is a giant.

00:12:10.540 And so I am talking about this for the same reason that I talk about anything, certainly

00:12:17.440 not because there is an incentive.

00:12:19.960 I feel no pressure to do so.

00:12:22.120 I feel a responsibility to give my audience, my listeners and viewers that God has entrusted

00:12:29.240 to me the same thing that I always try to give you, and that is clarity and courage

00:12:34.160 to help you think logically and biblically about the things that matter.

00:12:38.760 And the truth is, for weeks, my inbox has been filled with messages from so many of you asking

00:12:45.300 what I think about this or that thing that Candace has posited on her show.

00:12:50.360 And I did do an episode a few weeks ago on the question of Israel's involvement in Charlie's

00:12:55.680 murder, and you should go watch that. 0.99

00:12:57.960 There have been a couple times that I have encouraged you very clearly, do not outsource

00:13:04.480 your critical thinking to anyone.

00:13:06.980 Don't outsource it to me.

00:13:08.100 Don't outsource it to Candace.

00:13:09.800 Don't outsource it to the media, to the government, not to any influencer or influence.

00:13:15.380 I want you to use the mind that God gave you to ask good questions and to seek the truth.

00:13:22.220 And last week was another one of those times that I offered that encouragement on Instagram.

00:13:27.640 And I'll kind of back up and give you some context of why I gave that encouragement last week.

00:13:36.760 Candace claimed on her show that the UVU campus stop where Charlie was murdered was booked too

00:13:42.540 close to the event date to be legitimate.

00:13:45.260 And she said, you know, there's, I'm paraphrasing something sketchy there, it seemed to her.

00:13:51.440 And she cited her experience with Turning Point's campus tours, where she says that stops were planned a month in advance.

00:13:57.400 And I, without saying Candace's name, gave a counter example of that on Instagram and acts, showing that Charlie had invited me at the end of August to speak on November 3rd of this year.

00:14:10.160 So about two months in advance, but he couldn't yet confirm the venue because it wasn't confirmed.

00:14:18.340 There were two options that he gave.

00:14:20.160 He didn't know which campus in Alabama we would be at yet.

00:14:23.220 And that was just about eight weeks before.

00:14:25.960 And I've done campus stops with Turning Point in the past, both with Charlie and not with Charlie.

00:14:31.320 And I can tell you that in those cases, things were very often put together extremely last minute.

00:14:37.540 But Candace had said that the quick timeline of the UVU booking points to her belief in the possibility that Turning Point is lying and engaged in some kind of cover-up.

00:14:49.340 She said, quote, it reeks of an inside job, quote, Turning Point USA is involved.

00:14:56.100 She also said, quote, every day that goes on, it feels like Turning Point is engaged in a cover-up.

00:15:00.700 So my point was that in my own experience, the timeline is not necessarily unusual.

00:15:08.140 And therefore, I don't believe that it points to anything nefarious.

00:15:11.820 And then last week, in the midst of that, I posted an Instagram story passionately urging you to think critically and to ask questions, even of the question askers.

00:15:22.400 I did not attack Candace.

00:15:24.440 I didn't say her name.

00:15:26.600 But then she responded to those things directly.

00:15:29.100 She responded on X.

00:15:30.480 She responded on her show.

00:15:32.000 I reached out privately.

00:15:34.060 She made it clear that she wasn't happy.

00:15:36.800 And I told her I was glad to have a longer, off-the-record, totally confidential conversation with about her.

00:15:42.280 But that has not happened.

00:15:45.200 And honestly, I wasn't going to say anything else about it.

00:15:49.760 I wasn't going to say anything else about it.

00:15:51.820 But then she said something on her show yesterday that just made me feel like I am responsible to respond.

00:15:58.520 So let me get to that in just a second.

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00:17:15.560 So here is Candice's response to my Instagram story where I just kind of in the midst of this just urged my followers,

00:17:33.260 the people that I am responsible to in many ways to think critically about all things.

00:17:39.840 Here's thought two.

00:17:40.960 I'm just really tired of some of y'all not thinking.

00:17:43.980 I really am.

00:17:44.960 You say that you're seeking truth and asking questions, but you're actually just outsourcing your critical thinking,

00:17:50.120 your question asking to someone else, and you're never really asking questions.

00:17:53.660 You're never saying, does that make sense?

00:17:55.840 Or what could be the other side of that story?

00:17:58.040 Or what is the alternative explanation for that?

00:18:00.340 Or are these two things actually connected by evidence?

00:18:03.100 Or does it just sound compelling?

00:18:04.980 This is not a Netflix series.

00:18:06.480 It's not an Agatha Christie novel.

00:18:08.820 You're not watching a whodunit movie.

00:18:11.220 These are people's real lives.

00:18:12.600 And if you were implicating a real person in a murder plot, you better be 100% sure that it is true and backed by hard evidence.

00:18:25.480 Think.

00:18:26.560 Turn on your brain.

00:18:28.440 The thoughts we think and the words we say not only affect real people's lives, but they carry weight in eternity.

00:18:35.540 We are responsible for these things.

00:18:37.920 I'm going to take that seriously, but you should too.

00:18:40.140 Look, y'all, I don't even want, there's, I've just been wrestling with this so much over the past few weeks.

00:18:48.520 I don't want the drama.

00:18:49.880 I don't, I don't have the, the, the time and energy that it takes to go through, to make all of these claims first is incredible.

00:18:59.140 But then to go through and debunk all of these claims, I don't have that time.

00:19:03.660 I don't have that energy.

00:19:04.620 I don't have that capacity.

00:19:05.800 I don't.

00:19:10.140 Look, Allie, I just think she should take a break. 0.91

00:19:12.400 I genuinely didn't even know she was going through it like this.

00:19:14.760 Like I didn't, I don't think we asked her for any assistance at all.

00:19:18.060 Actually, I did all the work and people sent me stuff and then we put together a timeline.

00:19:22.840 And here's what I want to say, because you're saying it's real life.

00:19:25.020 It was Charlie's real life.

00:19:26.960 Allie, that was Charlie's real life.

00:19:28.520 When you saw him sitting there and he got shot, that was his real life.

00:19:31.460 So I feel like that, that's the part you're missing because you're so worried about the surrounding cast of characters who have been literally caught lying.

00:19:38.520 They lied.

00:19:39.480 That's why we're here.

00:19:40.420 Okay.

00:19:40.640 We didn't just randomly pluck people up from obscurity.

00:19:42.920 Okay.

00:19:43.060 These are people who said he had blood on him.

00:19:45.500 He's amazing.

00:19:46.880 He was so amazing, but he walked away from Charlie as he was bleeding out.

00:19:49.900 His real life.

00:19:50.960 That was his real life.

00:19:52.540 Okay.

00:19:52.860 So that's what's on the line right here is he's not here anymore.

00:19:56.240 Maybe you're not worried about him, but I am, I'm actually worried.

00:20:00.380 And I want to know what happened to Charlie Kirk.

00:20:02.400 Okay.

00:20:04.640 So I am not apparently according to her worried.

00:20:10.380 I'm not worried about Charlie Kirk.

00:20:12.980 Uh, my friend too, who was shot in the neck, whom you have seen me talk about, um, and reference several times over the past, uh, over the past few weeks.

00:20:29.060 And just, you know, what that mentorship meant to me and to hear the implication there that I don't care.

00:20:39.200 I don't, I don't care.

00:20:40.940 She says about Charlie and about his murder.

00:20:45.260 She cares.

00:20:46.800 Okay.

00:20:48.080 Um, you know, that's, that's what she does. 1.00

00:20:52.760 Um, that's how she is.

00:20:54.300 And it just makes me, it really, it really makes me sad.

00:20:57.220 It really makes me sad.

00:20:58.460 Um, Candace on her show, she said, you know, she likes me and the feeling has been mutual for years.

00:21:06.120 Um, I had always had very pleasant interactions with Candace and that is why thus far I haven't used her name when talking about some of the claims that she's put forth.

00:21:15.560 I actually thought that that was a way to help you all think through these things without it seeming like I'm trying to fight with her or attack her because I wasn't, I still don't want that.

00:21:25.640 But she responded directly to my post.

00:21:28.080 So now I am being more direct as well.

00:21:30.080 And honestly, in hindsight, I probably should have been more direct from the get go.

00:21:35.680 Um, and I do just want to say that several weeks ago I had reached out to Candace via Instagram in response to an Instagram message that she had sent me with questions about some of the claims that she was making and I didn't hear back.

00:21:48.340 And so some people have said, you know, why didn't you reach out?

00:21:51.120 I just want to say that I, that I did, um, you know, and I've thought a lot about how to do this, how to do this episode, how to do a response to those like very, that very hurtful implication that I don't care as much.

00:22:05.640 And that I don't want to know what's true.

00:22:07.760 I've thought really hard, like, how do I respond in a way that is actually edifying, that lifts you up and doesn't just like tear down and get down in the mud.

00:22:16.020 And CR and I have really been talking about this and praying about this and trying to think about like the best approach.

00:22:23.460 And gosh, there's a part of me that does just want to go tip for tat and wants like a detailed fact check and all of that.

00:22:29.840 But I just know that that will lead to a never ending back and forth.

00:22:34.160 And honestly, y'all, like I can't compete with secret sources.

00:22:39.460 Candace has referenced unnamed sources that she has in the government and within turning point.

00:22:45.340 And she said that Charlie came to her in a dream.

00:22:48.780 I don't have any of those things.

00:22:50.680 Like I don't have secret sources.

00:22:52.420 I don't have secret knowledge.

00:22:54.940 None.

00:22:55.720 Charlie has not come to me in a dream.

00:22:57.680 I don't have any special insight at all.

00:23:02.900 Charlie was my friend.

00:23:05.300 He was a very good one.

00:23:06.460 He gave me lots of wisdom and encouragement and prayer over the years.

00:23:09.760 He championed me when he didn't have to publicly and privately.

00:23:13.580 And you can go back and you can watch my tribute to him and scroll through my Instagram post for the past couple of months for more on that.

00:23:22.420 If I were to reveal all of the texts to each other that, you know, we have over the years, you wouldn't find anything juicy, no gossip, no hidden clues, no secret signals.

00:23:33.740 So, like, I just can't, I won't go there.

00:23:37.380 I don't, I don't have all of that.

00:23:39.520 So I'm instead going to do three things.

00:23:42.340 I am going to give us direction from scripture on what godly truth seeking looks like.

00:23:49.200 And I'm going to analyze the weight of our words.

00:23:52.040 And then I just want to share the arrows with a few of my, with a few of my friends.

00:23:58.500 So first, let's talk about, like, what truth seeking really looks like.

00:24:03.160 What does investigation really look like?

00:24:05.760 Because here's my take.

00:24:07.320 I told you the two perspectives of the supporters and the detractors at the beginning.

00:24:11.220 People who think it's just conspiracy, that it's all malicious, that it's all for clicks and money.

00:24:16.780 And then the people who think that, you know, no, this is real investigation.

00:24:20.180 This is real truth seeking.

00:24:21.700 This is what it means to be a friend.

00:24:23.360 And what I think is that truth seeking and true investigation can be a way to be a good friend and that the truth does matter, that we should be asking questions, that we should be seeking truth, that we shouldn't just accept narratives from the FBI or the media or anyone, and that we should be critical thinkers.

00:24:41.920 And I believe that there are podcasters and independent journalists.

00:24:45.660 I think that there can be just regular, everyday people without a platform who can be extremely good at research and investigation, and we shouldn't dismiss someone just because they don't work for CNN or they don't work for the government or law enforcement or something like that.

00:25:00.980 And I do think that trying to seek justice and seek truth is a way to be a good friend.

00:25:07.520 But I contend that there is a way to seek truth that is biblical, that is helpful, and that is edifying, and a way that is not any of those things.

00:25:17.400 So we need to look to scripture to show us an example of what truth seeking really looks like.

00:25:23.380 And so first, let's answer that question.

00:25:26.540 Like, what is investigation?

00:25:28.020 What is truth seeking?

00:25:29.240 And the first thing that came to mind to me is the Bereans.

00:25:32.580 In Acts 17, we read about this group of people, this group of Jewish people called the Bereans.

00:25:40.620 In verse 10 of chapter 17, we read,

00:25:43.080 The brothers immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea.

00:25:47.220 And when they arrived, they went to the Jewish synagogue.

00:25:50.000 Now these Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica.

00:25:52.960 They received the word with all eagerness, examining the scriptures daily to see if these things were so.

00:25:57.520 So many of them therefore believed, with not a few Greek women of high standing as well as men.

00:26:03.120 But when the Jews from Thessalonica learned that the word of God was proclaimed by Paul at Berea also,

00:26:08.020 they came there too, agitating and stirring up the crowd.

00:26:10.940 So that's kind of an aside that we can maybe analyze more at length later on.

00:26:15.240 But I did think it was interesting.

00:26:16.760 At the beginning of Acts 17, we read that Paul shares the gospel to Jewish people in Thessalonica.

00:26:22.060 And the Jews in Thessalonica, we read, got really angry and they caused an uproar. 0.98

00:26:29.440 And then when those who were willing to seek the truth and actually discern what is true believed in this gospel,

00:26:35.980 those that didn't like the gospel, they got angry about it and they started agitating.

00:26:41.260 And they didn't like that those who were seeking truth found the actual truth in Jesus that set them free.

00:26:47.500 And so we see this kind of juxtaposition in Acts 17 of the true discernment and the wisdom of the Bereans

00:26:54.140 versus this emotionalism and reaction of the Thessalonians and how the Thessalonians were actually angry

00:27:00.380 at the true discernment and the belief of the Bereans.

00:27:03.000 So that's just interesting.

00:27:04.340 Read Acts 17.

00:27:06.040 But I love that part in verse 11 that the Bereans examined the scriptures daily to see if these things were so.

00:27:12.960 So they didn't just listen to Paul and Silas and said, wow, that sounds good.

00:27:16.340 That's intuitively right.

00:27:17.940 I've got a hunch that that's right.

00:27:19.360 But they examined the word of God to see if what they were saying matched with what the prophets said,

00:27:26.800 matched with what their scriptures said.

00:27:30.760 They wanted to see if these things were true.

00:27:34.340 In our Let Them episode, when I examined Mel Robbins' Let Them theory,

00:27:39.580 if there's something good and biblical to redeem from it and what we should toss out as Christians, 0.94

00:27:44.200 and we talked about the word discern.

00:27:47.860 Discern is used a lot, and I love etymology.

00:27:50.940 So what does it actually mean?

00:27:52.860 Christians have a responsibility to discern, and we get this word discern from the Latin word

00:27:57.800 decernary, which I don't have my Latin accent up to date, so hopefully you understand me.

00:28:04.020 And that means to separate or to sift apart.

00:28:07.180 So discern is to separate or to sift.

00:28:10.340 To sift comes from Old English, and it is when something passes through a sieve or a fine mesh

00:28:17.320 sleeve, a strainer to keep what you want to keep and let go of what you want to let go of.

00:28:22.680 So for the Christian, the strainer for every idea, concept, and philosophy is the word of God.

00:28:29.560 That's what we see with the Bereans.

00:28:30.940 That's what it should still be true for us today.

00:28:33.060 The only inerrant, infallible, and God-breathed written authority that we have.

00:28:37.820 That is our sifting mechanism.

00:28:40.660 So to discern, as we are called to do, means we're not just about seeing two options and

00:28:47.220 choosing the right one over the wrong one.

00:28:49.580 It's also about carefully separating the good from the bad and the good from the best.

00:28:54.180 About distinguishing between worldly right and biblical right, worldly wisdom and godly wisdom.

00:28:58.940 What do we read that wisdom starts with the fear of the Lord?

00:29:04.660 Now there are people, even other Christians, who will mock you for asking questions, not

00:29:12.220 just asking questions of the government or of the media or of law enforcement, but asking

00:29:16.240 questions of influencers, asking questions of even the question askers.

00:29:21.800 They'll wag your fingers at you for questioning whatever it is that they are positing.

00:29:28.180 But Christians are called the sift.

00:29:30.220 We are called to discern.

00:29:31.640 We are called to weigh what is being said, both how it's being said and the content of

00:29:37.100 what is being said against objective truth, against logical truth, and most importantly,

00:29:42.120 against biblical truth.

00:29:44.740 And while we do have to be careful never to veer into becoming self-righteous, we should

00:29:49.660 never be shamed out of being discerning.

00:29:52.960 Ephesians 5, 6 through 10 says this,

00:29:55.320 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes

00:30:00.380 upon the sons of disobedience.

00:30:01.940 Therefore, do not become partners with them.

00:30:03.740 For at one time you were darkness, Christians, but now you are light in the Lord.

00:30:07.580 So walk as children of light, for the fruit of light is found in all that is good and right

00:30:12.380 and true, and try to discern what is pleasing to the Lord.

00:30:18.280 Remember a couple things about how Satan works.

00:30:21.040 And this just reminds us of the importance of discernment.

00:30:25.520 Satan isn't always out there saying what is obviously 100% wrong and bad.

00:30:32.820 It doesn't always look like darkness.

00:30:35.580 It's not always fully a lie.

00:30:39.140 He starts with parts of the truth, and then he twists it.

00:30:42.040 And actually, in 2 Corinthians 11, 14, we see that Satan disguises himself as an angel of

00:30:47.020 light.

00:30:47.400 He uses half-truths to relay a whole lie.

00:30:49.800 He did this in the garden.

00:30:51.120 Did God really say?

00:30:52.980 In the wilderness with Jesus, he didn't just come up and lie to Jesus.

00:30:56.440 He actually used God's word to try to manipulate Jesus.

00:31:01.660 And so, discerning is not just about asking questions.

00:31:06.600 It's not just about saying what is right and what is wrong, or what could be true or what

00:31:11.780 could be false.

00:31:12.960 But it is about weighing everything that we hear from me or anyone else against what is

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00:32:58.980 Okay, next question we need to ask.

00:33:03.000 So the first one is, is there a way to think about this critically?

00:33:07.380 Can we weigh what is being said by anyone against the truth?

00:33:10.720 Um, and then a question that we have to ask as we are thinking about what is true, as we

00:33:16.420 are trying to be thoughtful brands is, is there evidence?

00:33:19.780 Is there evidence?

00:33:21.320 Not a hunch, not a theory, not, I don't know, but I know not that looks fishy, not this doesn't

00:33:27.180 feel right.

00:33:27.780 But is there evidence?

00:33:29.140 It's okay to have a gut feeling and ask questions.

00:33:32.120 We should, but that is not evidence.

00:33:34.980 Here is a pattern I see, bits of truth pieced together by innuendo.

00:33:39.420 For example, I'm just going to give an example, and I already laid this out in my episode about

00:33:43.360 whether or not Israel was involved.

00:33:45.460 So here are some things that I believe we know are true.

00:33:49.620 It's true that Charlie had a retreat in the Hamptons in August where they debated Israel.

00:33:53.660 It's true that Bill Ackman and Seth Dillon, and I believe Josh Hammer, were there.

00:33:57.420 It's true that Charlie seemed to be shifting on the Israel-Hamas conflict and that he was

00:34:01.400 certainly bolder in expressing that, and that he seems to have been under pressure by pro-Israel

00:34:06.740 donors.

00:34:07.200 He told Megyn Kelly as much, it seems.

00:34:09.820 What I don't see yet is any evidence proving that these things are connected and that they

00:34:14.880 are somehow connected to Charlie's murder.

00:34:18.820 The next question after, like, what is the hard evidence for that?

00:34:23.820 Is who is the source?

00:34:25.100 Who is the source that is telling me this?

00:34:26.760 Who is the source that is making this claim?

00:34:28.680 When I took a rhetoric class in college, one of the first things we learned was ethos, logos,

00:34:33.680 pathos, and the importance of the ethos, the credibility that you have with the audience,

00:34:38.620 and what gives this person the authority to know these things?

00:34:42.760 Where do they derive their authority from?

00:34:46.640 Why would they know this particular thing?

00:34:49.640 Is it based on a hunch?

00:34:50.740 Is it based on secret, unnamed sources?

00:34:53.160 Is it based on something that has yet to be revealed?

00:34:55.940 Well, that is a good reason for people to hesitate before jumping on any narrative that anyone

00:35:02.140 puts forth.

00:35:03.220 Next question that we have to ask when someone presents a case or presents a theory or an

00:35:07.280 argument, what is the other potential side of this argument?

00:35:10.800 This person is making this claim.

00:35:12.980 Well, let me play devil's advocate for a second.

00:35:15.760 Let me think about that a little bit differently.

00:35:17.620 I really encourage you to do that with my episodes.

00:35:19.720 If I'm making a claim, I do this all the time.

00:35:22.320 People ask, how did you train for the Jubilee debate?

00:35:24.680 Girl, I've been training for that my entire life.

00:35:27.000 That's just how I think.

00:35:28.500 I just think, whether it's someone who agrees with me or not, I'm always playing devil's

00:35:32.860 advocate.

00:35:33.400 I'm always thinking about how I can hone my arguments better by thinking about what would

00:35:38.200 someone say to this?

00:35:39.800 And so I encourage you to do that with me.

00:35:41.920 But you got to do that with everyone, especially when they are making really important and impactful

00:35:46.360 claims.

00:35:46.980 What could be the other side of this argument?

00:35:48.780 Okay, along those lines, the next question, what are the other possible conclusions that

00:35:55.280 one could draw?

00:35:56.400 So this person is drawing this conclusion about this.

00:35:59.320 Are there any other conclusions that could be drawn from this video footage, this timeline,

00:36:05.800 this fact that happens to be true?

00:36:09.280 Again, a lot of things can be true, but the conjecture comes in and trying to connect all

00:36:15.580 of these things.

00:36:16.560 So we have to ask, well, is there another way that these could be connected?

00:36:20.640 Is there a non-nefarious reason for this thing that is being claimed or presented?

00:36:26.780 The next question, and this is like a really, this is a really serious one.

00:36:31.320 Is someone being falsely accused?

00:36:34.320 Is someone being falsely accused here?

00:36:37.460 Investigation and truth-seeking are really important, but there is a difference between

00:36:44.360 investigation and truth-seeking versus salacious, innuendo-driven drip campaign.

00:36:49.800 See, I know that it's really hard today because we just don't have a lot of true journalism.

00:36:55.600 The bastions of journalism just aren't really, they're just not trustworthy.

00:37:00.020 They start with a conclusion and they try to fill in facts to support their ideologically

00:37:07.500 driven conclusion today.

00:37:09.680 Most mainstream media outlets do that.

00:37:12.360 And so we don't have a lot of good examples within the mainstream of what investigation

00:37:16.200 looks like.

00:37:17.260 But from my understanding, traditional investigation, whether it's done by law enforcement or whether

00:37:22.740 it's done by a true journalist back when those existed, you do the investigation and then

00:37:29.020 you present the evidence.

00:37:31.040 It's not conjecture, a new conjecture and a new theory and a new fact every week as people

00:37:39.220 are burdened with the responsibility to put these pieces together in real time because mistakes

00:37:45.360 may possibly be made.

00:37:46.620 And when we're talking about a murder plot, we just need to be really, really careful that

00:37:51.180 everything that we are saying, as far as it depends on us, can be 100% proven in the

00:37:57.960 moment, not later, not secretly, but in the moment.

00:38:03.920 So there is a difference in investigation and in you and Doe, there is a difference in truth

00:38:09.120 seeking and creating content.

00:38:13.980 Okay, next thing.

00:38:17.620 Words matter.

00:38:19.300 So the first one, critical thinking.

00:38:20.960 What is critical thinking?

00:38:22.000 And everything that the Bible has to say about that.

00:38:26.780 Then the second one, along the lines of this question of, is someone being falsely accused?

00:38:31.700 The second thing we have to think about in all of this is that our words matter.

00:38:35.560 And let me just say right now, I am talking to myself as much as I am talking to or about

00:38:40.840 anyone else.

00:38:42.180 Like, I want to take this so seriously as a professional talker.

00:38:46.040 When you have a podcast, you say something, and you might make a mistake because we're

00:38:51.200 fallible people, or we might say something that we don't mean because we're sinners.

00:38:56.200 But then you can correct it, you know, on the next show.

00:39:00.220 And it's easy to give ourselves a lot of grace.

00:39:03.140 And I'm not saying we shouldn't get any grace, but the fact that you can always correct what

00:39:08.260 you say, again, speaking to myself does not mean that we shouldn't take care of every

00:39:14.680 single word that comes out of our mouths.

00:39:17.220 And this is like a huge, huge hefty responsibility for those of us who talk so much to make sure

00:39:23.640 that what we are saying is glorifying to the Lord.

00:39:28.360 Matthew 12, 36.

00:39:30.440 I tell you, on the day of judgment, people will give account for every careless word they

00:39:34.660 speak.

00:39:34.940 That's Jesus.

00:39:36.260 Let me just repeat that.

00:39:37.420 And I want to like put this on my own mirror.

00:39:40.120 I tell you, on the day of judgment, people will give account for every careless word

00:39:44.580 they speak.

00:39:46.100 Proverbs 18, 21.

00:39:47.940 Death and life are in the power of the tongue.

00:39:52.560 My goodness, may I always remember that.

00:39:55.920 Words are really important in Christianity.

00:39:58.340 It is a word-based faith.

00:40:00.100 It is not like Buddhism that puts, you know, silence on the same level as holiness.

00:40:05.620 This is actually something that I remember Charlie talking about a lot.

00:40:08.460 This is an evangelistic faith that we are to go preach the gospel, make disciples of all

00:40:14.240 nations, that Jesus came and he spoke the truth.

00:40:18.080 And not only that, but he is called the word, the logos in John 1.

00:40:23.540 Words are really important to Christianity.

00:40:26.040 They're really important to God.

00:40:28.260 We read over and over again, whether it's in these passages or the book of James, how much

00:40:33.040 our tongue can do in creating real life impact and how much our words matter.

00:40:42.060 I would never want it on my conscience to stir up suspicion because of my words where maybe

00:40:49.080 there should be no suspicion.

00:40:51.260 I would not want it on my conscience to point fingers where they don't need to be pointed.

00:40:56.380 That is, it's very serious.

00:40:58.720 And please, Lord, give me the humility, give me the discernment, give me the self-control

00:41:04.640 and give me the strength to ensure that my tongue is bridled and that I am only speaking

00:41:10.480 that which edifies what is good and right and true.

00:41:13.260 I don't want to be a part of someone carrying the burden of responsibility that they should

00:41:20.300 not be carrying.

00:41:21.460 I think about in the Old Testament, what's incredible about the Old Testament law is the

00:41:26.980 rights that were given not only to the accuser, the one who is actually making the claim against

00:41:34.700 a person, but also the accused, that witnesses were required, that due process was required,

00:41:41.720 that there were certain definitions of justice that you couldn't just say that someone was

00:41:45.860 guilty of something because God actually cared about the truth and about impartiality and

00:41:50.980 that something was spoken in a way that was entirely factual.

00:41:56.120 God really cares about that when it comes to justice.

00:41:59.260 It's not justice at whatever cost.

00:42:01.940 There is a process of justice that always has to be rooted in care and in truth.

00:42:06.660 And we see that God's character throughout Scripture is that He really cares about how

00:42:10.680 justice comes about.

00:42:12.920 1 Corinthians 5.11,

00:42:14.520 But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if 0.61

00:42:19.920 he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler, 0.88

00:42:26.120 not even to eat with such a one. 0.99

00:42:28.160 And we talked about last week when we were talking about something else entirely about this

00:42:31.620 word revile.

00:42:33.160 And I hadn't realized, and again, this is something I want to take seriously, how important this

00:42:39.560 is to the Lord.

00:42:41.120 I mean, so many passages in the New Testament talk about reviling, trying to assassinate

00:42:45.140 someone's character, especially based on something that is not true and how abominable

00:42:51.080 it is to the Lord.

00:42:52.940 Ephesians 4.29,

00:42:54.020 Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up as

00:42:58.960 fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear.

00:43:02.180 Luke 6.45,

00:43:03.620 Out of the abundance of the heart, His mouth speaks.

00:43:08.680 God really weighs our words.

00:43:11.440 He really cares about the things we say.

00:43:15.320 Exodus 23.1,

00:43:16.440 You shall not spread a false report.

00:43:17.840 You shall not join hands with a wicked man to be a malicious witness.

00:43:22.540 Deuteronomy 19.15,

00:43:25.020 A single witness shall not suffice against a person for any crime or for any wrong in connection

00:43:30.520 with any offense that he has committed.

00:43:33.780 Proverbs 20.19,

00:43:34.780 Whoever goes about slandering reveals secrets.

00:43:37.500 Therefore, do not associate with a simple babbler.

00:43:41.880 Our words really matter.

00:43:44.160 Like, what we say matters.

00:43:46.760 That is true for all of us.

00:43:48.600 What we listen to matters.

00:43:50.740 What we share matters.

00:43:52.360 What we believe in our minds matters.

00:43:56.200 And so, it's not.

00:43:58.100 I know that she thinks that because I care about these people who are being wrapped up in this

00:44:03.360 or swept up in this and implicated that I don't care about Charlie.

00:44:07.140 It's not true.

00:44:08.960 I care so much.

00:44:11.280 And you know who cares more than all of us?

00:44:13.600 His wife, his family, those close to him.

00:44:18.480 And I don't believe that anyone close to him is uninterested in what is true.

00:44:24.160 But yes, I do.

00:44:26.000 I do feel for those who have been caught in the crosshairs without evidence.

00:44:32.180 I do.

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00:46:34.140 One of the people that has been implicated in this is Mikey McCoy, who was the assistant to Charlie Kirk and a good friend of Charlie Kirk.

00:46:49.980 I don't know Mikey well, but Candace said that Mikey has appeared to have an extra spring in his step from her sources inside Turning Point USA in the aftermath of Charlie's murder.

00:47:03.440 And she claims that he was promised to be some kind of successor to Charlie.

00:47:07.920 She has also cast doubt on how he reacted in the immediate aftermath of Charlie being murdered, immediately getting on his phone and walking away.

00:47:18.360 Someone commented, the way Mikey walked away with no crouching, hiding, or urgency is chilling.

00:47:24.500 He knew he was safe.

00:47:25.760 He knew no other shot would be following.

00:47:27.960 This is sick.

00:47:29.100 And that was a comment that on Candace's YouTube that she had liked.

00:47:34.060 And this is an example.

00:47:35.840 I don't think that we see any evidence of his involvement.

00:47:38.860 I don't think that we have any facts that prove that somehow he had a spring in his step, that somehow his behavior was sketchy.

00:47:46.820 In fact, we saw that Erica Kirk told Jesse Waters in her interview with him a couple weeks ago that Mikey called her and said that Charlie's been shot.

00:47:57.160 Get the kids.

00:47:58.400 But it is a very strong claim to make that someone who was close to Charlie acted sketchy immediately following his death and also that he had a spring in his step, implying that he was somehow happy about this.

00:48:11.300 She has called Seth Dillon a literal demon.

00:48:14.380 I will never, like, can't explain to you that there was something very dangerous, like, psychologically when talking about Seth Dillon.

00:48:23.060 Josh Hammer was one of the people who was in the Hamptons, who she claims was a part of kind of pressuring Charlie Kirk.

00:48:30.820 And she has implied that all of that pressure involving Israel also had something to do with Charlie's murder.

00:48:38.300 And she has said, quote, the people around Charlie are not acting in the way that they should be acting.

00:48:43.040 Their emotionality is not meeting the moment of violence that we all witnessed.

00:48:46.560 They're lying to you about where Charlie was on his faith journey.

00:48:49.620 That's hush hush.

00:48:50.460 The Catholic thing must stay hush hush. 0.99

00:48:54.000 And again, I don't have any inside information on a Catholicism journey there.

00:49:00.040 Again, she said that Charlie's murder reeks of an inside job.

00:49:04.300 Turning Point is involved every day that goes on.

00:49:06.820 It feels like Turning Point is engaged in a cover up.

00:49:11.520 She said, I don't know how the executives over at Turning Point USA sleep at night.

00:49:16.900 She said, this is looking to me.

00:49:18.860 This is a quote like the apparent plan was to assassinate Charlie Kirk, then to stage a hostile takeover of his brand and his legacy.

00:49:24.500 She's responded to Ben Shapiro.

00:49:26.760 Ben Shapiro was with Megyn Kelly and said that Candace Owens has directly accused Erica of being involved somehow.

00:49:37.860 And Megan pushed back on that. 0.84

00:49:39.420 And I think Ben kind of clarified and he clarified that she has said that everyone close to Charlie betrayed him.

00:49:46.100 But it's true.

00:49:46.800 Candace has not said, you know, I think Erica was involved in this.

00:49:51.200 I think that people are implying that.

00:49:54.220 I think people are drawing that conclusion from her saying everyone around Charlie and all of the executives at Turning Point.

00:50:03.860 She is the CEO of Turning Point.

00:50:06.120 How could they sleep at night?

00:50:07.580 So I'm not saying that she did say that.

00:50:09.580 She didn't say that.

00:50:10.740 But I think that is where people are making that assumption and drawing that conclusion.

00:50:15.240 But in response to what Ben Shapiro said, you know, she's released a bunch of texts about Ben between her and between Charlie and, you know, basically saying that they didn't like Ben very much back in the day, seven years ago.

00:50:30.280 And I just will say, yeah, I would I would hate someone to like after I died to reveal texts like that, like between us, because those texts didn't make Ben look bad.

00:50:42.940 They made they made Charlie look bad.

00:50:45.620 They made Charlie look bad.

00:50:46.780 And like, that's your friend.

00:50:48.520 That's your friend, man.

00:50:49.420 And I mean, that makes him it makes him look petty.

00:50:53.060 And I'm just not sure like what that revelation really accomplishes.

00:50:59.300 She's also criticized Lila Rose heavily, and she's kind of questioned Lila's military connections, I guess, because her husband is a veteran.

00:51:10.080 She has questioned Alex Clark and Alex's decision to talk to the Wall Street Journal a week after Charlie was murdered.

00:51:18.040 And Candace claimed that it would make her feel icky to speak to the media one week after Charlie's death.

00:51:24.580 She did do a CNN interview a couple of weeks after Charlie died, though.

00:51:30.140 And I just want to say, like, I know Alex and Lila really well.

00:51:33.560 I know Seth.

00:51:35.560 I've known Ben over the years.

00:51:37.600 I know Josh.

00:51:38.680 And everything I know about these people is that they are kind and genuine people.

00:51:44.560 And I don't believe that they deserve at all to be implicated in this way.

00:51:49.720 Like, I just think it's really serious.

00:51:51.340 I just think it's really serious when we bring these things to the table.

00:51:56.220 And that doesn't mean we can't disagree with people.

00:51:58.440 We can.

00:51:58.920 I disagree with people publicly all the time.

00:52:01.080 And that's what I'm doing here.

00:52:02.880 I still don't mean for this to be an attack, but I do want to share the arrows with my friends.

00:52:07.140 I want you to pray for the people that I just listed.

00:52:10.180 I want you to share their arrows, and I want you to encourage them and to pray for them.

00:52:16.000 Because it's not easy to, like, to get these kind of arrows.

00:52:20.200 It's just not.

00:52:20.820 And I know that by doing this episode, like, I am also going to get a fresh set of arrows.

00:52:27.200 I realize that.

00:52:28.120 But I also would want people to stick up for me.

00:52:30.940 And so I just, I want to stick up for these people that I know.

00:52:34.380 I would want people to say, you know what?

00:52:37.480 I know her, and she's a kind person.

00:52:40.020 She's a sweet person.

00:52:40.740 She's a trustworthy person.

00:52:41.700 And that's just, like, what I want to say about these people is that they don't deserve this ire.

00:52:47.440 And I just don't think this is right to catch them up like this.

00:52:54.060 Okay.

00:52:54.640 A couple more things that I want to say as we close out.

00:52:57.480 Just, like, some questions to ponder and some encouragement for you.

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00:54:10.920 Here are the last things that I want to say.

00:54:13.640 Charlie had a lot of enemies because of the truth he spoke.

00:54:16.960 Progressives, the far right, apparently some pro-Israel activists and donors,

00:54:21.580 pro-Palestine, pro-Islam activists.

00:54:26.060 Charlie spoke against Islam and transgenderism and immigration and progressivism far more than

00:54:31.540 he spoke against anything else, far more than he criticized Israel or anything else.

00:54:38.380 They're very powerful people in every single realm of the universe that Charlie criticized.

00:54:44.980 There were a lot of people, a lot of different people, who could have seen that Charlie was

00:54:50.300 in their way.

00:54:52.340 Do I think that we should necessarily accept everything that the Federal Bureau of Investigation

00:54:59.140 tells us?

00:55:00.280 No.

00:55:01.240 But I think it's plausible.

00:55:03.300 I think there's very good reason to believe that some transgender-loving activist, some

00:55:08.520 radicalized left-wing guy, that he killed Charlie.

00:55:13.860 And I think that we have to trust that those closest to Charlie, that Erica, that those

00:55:23.080 in his life who loved him way more than we ever did, who knew him way better than we ever

00:55:30.380 did, that they want truth more than anyone, that they want justice more than anyone, and

00:55:36.900 that they are asking the right questions, and that they are trying to find inconsistencies,

00:55:42.060 and that they are pushing the right buttons.

00:55:44.860 But maybe that's not happening out in the open, because maybe that's not the way to do

00:55:49.560 it.

00:55:49.860 Maybe that's not what they want to do.

00:55:51.860 But I don't think that we can just assume that because they're not responding to everything

00:55:57.880 that an influencer or podcaster says, that there is not truth being sought.

00:56:03.280 And so it is not a lack of caring on my part.

00:56:07.820 That is for sure.

00:56:09.320 It is trusting the Lord, but also trusting, okay, the people who knew Charlie and loved

00:56:13.580 him way more and knew him way better, that they've got this, and they are seeking the

00:56:21.200 truth the best that they possibly can.

00:56:23.400 And so I want to see this investigation play out.

00:56:26.580 Like they're pushing to have cameras in the courtroom, we will be able to see it, and we

00:56:32.220 will be able to see the questions that are asked and the justice that is being sought in

00:56:40.360 all of this.

00:56:41.760 So that's where I am on this.

00:56:43.660 I want to seek truth.

00:56:45.740 I want to present evidence.

00:56:47.120 I want to ask the right questions in the right way, in a way that edifies you and doesn't

00:56:55.320 even risk falsely accusing someone, slandering someone, giving them unfair criticism, putting

00:57:02.920 unfair heat on them, seeking people against people who may not deserve any ire or any suspicion.

00:57:12.380 Again, huge responsibility.

00:57:15.240 I can care about both.

00:57:16.560 I think we should all care about both.

00:57:19.140 And it's a false choice, which is a logical fallacy to say that either we care about people's

00:57:24.500 reputations or we care about seeking justice for Charlie.

00:57:29.080 Christians should do both.

00:57:30.540 We can do both.

00:57:31.880 And the Holy Spirit empowers us to do both.

00:57:34.880 So let's all be careful what we say, whom we follow, what we listen to, and making sure

00:57:41.860 that we're doing it all to the glory of God.

00:57:44.140 All right.

00:57:44.600 That's all we've got time for today.

00:57:45.900 We will be back here on Friday with Frank Turek.

00:57:48.260 We'll be back.

00:57:49.380 We'll be back.

00:57:50.220 We'll be back.

00:57:52.540 We'll be back.

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Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - November 12, 2025

Ep 1266 ｜ Just Asking Questions： A Response to Candace Owens & a Biblical Approach to Investigation

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