Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1279 ｜ Charlie Kirk Trial Details, Bondi & Brown Attacks & Living to 100

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00:01:01.200 There are some developments in the Charlie Kirk case that we will get into today. Also,

00:01:06.580 tragedy strikes in Australia, as well as here in the United States, with senseless acts of evil

00:01:12.340 and terror victimizing so many. We will get into the details on that, as well as looking at the future.

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00:01:58.240 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Monday. Hope everyone is having a wonderful day so far. I've

00:02:03.900 got a very special co-host with me today. My dad, your favorite guest host, Ron Simmons.

00:02:11.300 I'm glad to be here. Thank you for having me. You looked confused about my introduction.

00:02:14.840 I was thinking guest versus co-host. I wasn't sure. Yeah, no, this is going to be a co-host

00:02:19.340 situation. I like that. I got promoted. You got promoted. All right. Because you've taken over

00:02:23.580 a few times. And you've doubled my pay from zero to double zero. Yes, exactly. Just feeling very

00:02:29.500 generous this time of year. And worth every penny, by the way. Yes. Okay, we've got a lot to talk about.

00:02:34.340 We'll get to some audience questions at the end. We've got some sad stuff to talk about today.

00:02:39.560 I know. I know. Sure. And, but we'll also talk about some more lighthearted stuff at the end,

00:02:45.100 and we'll try to be as encouraging as we can. But I want to talk first about some tragedies that

00:02:50.060 happened over the weekend. First, we've got this Brown University shooting. The suspect is still at

00:02:56.400 large. They thought that they had a person of interest, or they did have a person of interest,

00:03:01.820 but then he was released. And so we do not know who did this, but the shooter, according to the AP,

00:03:07.180 reportedly fired more than 40 rounds. This happened in an engineering building.

00:03:13.620 One of two of the victims was a young woman named Ella Cook. We'll put up her picture.

00:03:21.240 Looks like a sweet young woman, reportedly Christian, conservative woman, head of the

00:03:27.320 vice president of the Brown University College Republicans. Brown University, as people can

00:03:33.180 imagine, is not a conservative place. I think this was the only conservative group on campus. I think

00:03:40.820 they had about 50 members, and she was a very enthusiastic and organized leader of that. And gosh,

00:03:49.020 I just think about how parents feel when their kids go off to college. She's a young, young woman,

00:03:54.500 and how her parents must be feeling right now. Just sent their baby off to college. I can't imagine.

00:04:02.160 Christmas will never be the same for them, ever. Because they'll associate it with this from

00:04:07.120 now on. And Brown University, just so your people know, it's not just a liberal college. It's probably

00:04:12.560 one of the most radical liberal colleges out there. I believe it's in Rhode Island. And it's not a huge

00:04:20.200 university, but it seems really ironic that of all the people that would be killed in this would be

00:04:28.560 one of the 50 conservatives on campus. And it'll be interesting to see what comes out of this. And

00:04:38.720 also, actually pretty lucky that no more people were killed, considering he shot 40 rounds in a very

00:04:44.120 closed area. Because I think it was in like a classroom or something like that. So just, and you know,

00:04:50.800 and Brown University is going to downplay anything that might be related to violence against a

00:04:57.000 conservative for sure. Yeah. I mean, I know that they didn't wish her to die. I'm not saying that.

00:05:02.000 I'm just saying that they're going to shape the messaging that it won't, they won't, they won't

00:05:07.720 ever acknowledge that it possibly could be some anti-conservative backlash. Yeah. Or anti-Christian, 0.55

00:05:14.340 we just don't know. There were some assumptions and some reporting at the beginning, because this was

00:05:19.120 happening right when the Bondi Beach tragedy in Australia was happening, which we'll get to in a little bit,

00:05:25.180 that this was targeting like Jewish professors. That doesn't seem to be the case. We don't know

00:05:32.140 who it is. We don't know exactly what the motive is. Here is Providence PD telling us what they

00:05:39.220 knew at the time, obviously not giving a whole lot of detail, but here they are. It's that one.

00:05:43.940 The mayor stated we have detained someone of interest, but I respect them to protect the

00:05:48.740 integrity of the investigation. I would only be limited in my, in my details.

00:05:52.180 Okay. So basically they're not going to say anything else right now. Apparently he yelled

00:05:58.500 something before he shot. We don't know what that is. Um, Fox is reporting a little bit more. Here's

00:06:05.100 that too. But this individual went to a specific classroom that was, uh, essentially in a study

00:06:10.700 session for an exam, um, on economics and chose that classroom. And we know from a witness inside

00:06:16.940 that this gunman yelled something. We don't know what this individual yelled and then began shooting.

00:06:23.980 Okay. Here's what Brown president had to say. Sock three.

00:06:27.820 You see when it happened and flew right back and I'm catching up right now.

00:06:31.860 President with all due respect, six hours after the shooting and you said,

00:06:35.200 you don't know what was going on in that classroom. How does that happen? Were they

00:06:39.920 taking an exam? Were they for a club? I don't know. I don't know. Six hours later and you're

00:06:45.120 the president and you don't know. I do not know. Well, that's kind of concerning.

00:06:49.880 Do you believe that? No, no. She'd been briefed by somebody on her team. What was going on in

00:06:56.100 there? That would be if other than that, she needs to be fired. Right. I mean, cause I would have, 1.00

00:07:00.460 the first question she should ask after, you know, what are the safety situation is,

00:07:05.980 okay, what, what's, what, whose class was it? What was going on in there? Why were they there?

00:07:10.360 That type of thing. I mean, that'd be the normal thing to ask. So crazy.

00:07:13.700 I mean, because that actually matters. That's pertinent. Okay. If it was an informal study group,

00:07:18.380 then maybe it's less likely that she was targeted. She just happened to be wrong place, wrong time.

00:07:22.680 But if it was a college Republicans meeting, if it was a Bible study, if it had something to do with

00:07:27.680 that, okay, that's pertinent. Now I do want to know, how did she get killed? Like you were saying

00:07:33.460 earlier, and the other people in the classroom did not. That's why it seems targeted as well.

00:07:38.160 I don't really know. It's kind of a, especially cause it's gotta be a relatively small area. You

00:07:42.320 know what I'm saying? It doesn't sound like it was in a big hall. It was in a small area. I don't,

00:07:47.200 I don't, it's, it's a strange thing. And how did that person get off campus without being

00:07:55.100 apprehended? Yeah. Apprehended. Where is campus security in that? Right? Right.

00:08:00.060 Cause I, I don't, I didn't hear any reports that there was a silencer. So I assume there was a lot

00:08:04.160 of noise and I assume there are other people in the building that was just a classroom or a room

00:08:10.460 in the building. So it's a lot of questions unanswered. You can bet. And, you know, as you

00:08:14.760 know, the first thing a lot of people start doing these situations, cover up, cover up, cover up.

00:08:19.800 Oh yeah. Just to cover their own, you know, uh, backsides. Yep. Um, another victim, Muhammad 1.00

00:08:26.340 Aziz Emrzikov. Um, he has died, pray for his family as well. Kendall Turner is a student who

00:08:35.400 has been identified as, um, one of the, one of the victims, um, just a wounded victim. So we'll just

00:08:44.980 keep tabs on this and we'll see what happens. And hopefully we'll, let's just pray for truth

00:08:50.140 and justice and definitely for this suspect, uh, to be apprehended and to be brought to the

00:08:56.180 fullness of justice and just, you know, pray for this young woman's family. As my dad said,

00:09:01.900 they'll never be the same. They will never, ever be the same. Um, all right, we're going to get into

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00:10:16.700 All right. So now in Bondi Beach, Australia, we do have what seems to be by all appearances,

00:10:26.080 a targeted attack against the Jewish community there in Australia by a Muslim assailant.

00:10:34.120 This was the first day of Hanukkah. There was a celebration going on there. At least 15 lives

00:10:40.580 were claimed at this celebration. Many more have been wounded after a gunman opened fire

00:10:46.660 in this outdoor area there. A 41-year-old bystander, also seemingly Muslim, we don't know for sure his

00:10:56.780 religion, but his name is Ahmed Al Ahmed, wrestled and disarmed the first shooter. That was actually

00:11:03.220 amazing. Yeah. Some people are saying that he's clearly Muslim, but I don't think we can tell that

00:11:09.740 by his name. Probably Middle Eastern of some sort, but we don't know his worldview. Regardless,

00:11:15.620 extremely thankful for that act of heroism. So one of the shooters identified as 24-year-old

00:11:23.240 Muslim man of Pakistani origin. He remains hospitalized and in a coma, reportedly linked to ISIS, to an ISIS

00:11:32.520 cell in Sydney. His 50-year-old father, another suspect, father-son situation here, was shot and

00:11:40.900 killed by the police. The father has been in permanent residency in Australia since 1998

00:11:47.640 via a visa. Wow. Just absolutely crazy. I mean, the father and son told their family they were going

00:11:54.540 on a fishing trip. And then they go to this walking bridge and that's where they start shooting from.

00:11:59.740 So they have, looks like to me, from what I understand, it's an elevated position, which gives

00:12:04.000 you, that's probably why so many people were killed. Because there's not anything to shoot through,

00:12:09.420 they're shooting down. At least that's the way I understood it. I mean, it could be wrong on that.

00:12:13.800 I don't have all the details. But, you know, it just goes to what we talk about all the time,

00:12:20.020 is that, you know, there are sects of the Muslim religion that absolutely have nothing but a death 1.00

00:12:28.800 wish on Jewish people and in some ways on Christian people as well. I mean, we're both seen as we're not

00:12:36.080 a Zionist, we're, you know, we're the devil. So it's just sad. And the saddest thing for me,

00:12:44.400 and all the deaths are sad, but one of them evidently was a Holocaust survivor. Now, can you

00:12:50.360 imagine going through Holocaust, getting out of that, living your life for the next multiple, 0.99

00:12:57.540 multiple decades, and then dying again from another, you know, Jew hater? I mean, it's just incredible.

00:13:04.540 So many years later. And in Australia, of all places. And then a 10-year-old boy, too. I saw that.

00:13:10.860 It's just awful. And certainly, the problem, really, it's because Christians and Jews and Muslims, 1.00

00:13:19.620 no matter where you are, if you have a Muslim majority, you're going to be persecuted.

00:13:24.920 You are probably going to be subject, at the very least, to discrimination, at the very worst, 0.97

00:13:32.320 to torture, arbitrary imprisonment, and death. But the fact of the matter is, because I'm going to

00:13:37.340 take it a step further than what you said, it is absolutely true that not all individual Muslims,

00:13:42.480 of course, are going to do something like this. But it is inherent in Islamic ideology,

00:13:48.360 in Islamic texts. Islam means submission. And so it's not a religion of evangelism the way that 0.74

00:13:56.160 ours are. It's a religion of conquest and of territorial domination. And they truly see it 0.98

00:14:04.800 as their God-given right and responsibility to kill the infidel. They hate Jews. They hate Christians. 1.00

00:14:11.780 The tactics look different. We're at different stages of Islamic domination all around in the world. 0.99

00:14:18.360 But that is just the truth of the matter. And people really have to wake up about that.

00:14:23.720 And Charlie Kirk was so right about this. He wasn't afraid to criticize when he felt that Israel was 1.00

00:14:29.660 doing something wrong politically. But he was so crystal clear about the threat of Islamic ideology 1.00

00:14:35.880 to Western civilization. There's a couple of clips that I have that I saw going around. Here's top five.

00:14:40.920 The spiritual battle is coming to the West. And the enemies are, wokeism or Marxism,

00:14:46.240 combining with Islamism to go after what we call the American way of life. If you are Christian and 0.94

00:14:52.480 Jesus Christ is your Lord and Savior, these two threats are combining forces to come after us.

00:14:58.460 And it's time that the church stands and rises up against it.

00:15:01.120 Yep. Yeah, he was right about that. Yep. Okay, here's top six.

00:15:06.360 We don't talk enough about Islam. There is a red-green axis that is trying to suffocate this country. 1.00

00:15:12.800 We talk a lot about the red, which is the Marxist. We don't talk nearly enough about the Islamist. 0.74

00:15:18.800 We don't talk nearly enough about the hundreds of thousands of Muslims that we have voluntarily

00:15:24.000 imported into our country that build mosques, implement Sharia law. They court. I don't know if you 1.00

00:15:29.400 guys have this problem in South Carolina or not, but it's a, I'm thankfully no, but you go to

00:15:33.580 Minneapolis, you even go to Dallas, you go to, to New York and it will metastasize. It will spread.

00:15:38.580 You know why? Because the women of the West, they get cats. The women of Muslims, they have eight kids. 1.00

00:15:44.160 Eventually it doesn't work very well. Gosh, he was right. And I thought he was going to go in the

00:15:50.400 direction of toxic empathy because it's toxic empathy that has made us say, no, Christians are the bad 0.96

00:15:55.300 ones. Muslims are the great ones. And we just need to accept unfettered anyone into our country. 1.00

00:16:02.740 I mean, immigration is a part of this. It is, it is a part of this in mass migration. And

00:16:08.300 this idea that we have to accept absolutely anyone who wants to come to our country, no matter what, 0.91

00:16:13.480 it's kind of gotten us here.

00:16:16.020 Yeah, it really has. Now I think it unintentionally, it got us here. I don't think anybody had that

00:16:21.620 intention. Hey, we want to, you know, let Islam take over the country. But what happens is, is when 1.00

00:16:27.440 we didn't promote assimilation and when we teach English as a second language, those are just the,

00:16:34.720 the kind of the underpinnings of how things like that start. See, we assumed that what would happen

00:16:39.840 with like the Somalians in Minnesota and, and, and all the other, uh, uh, immigrants that we let in, 0.99

00:16:47.780 we assumed they would assimilate like it did through Ellis Island, right? Like the Italians 1.00

00:16:52.840 and the Irish. Now, even then they lived in separate parts of the city, but they assimilated

00:16:57.440 to be Americans, right? They were American first. And we just, we just have not done a good job at 0.85

00:17:05.180 that at all. So therefore I think that we need to, until we figure that out, we need to really,

00:17:10.400 really, really slow down immigration. We really need to slow down immigration. 1.00

00:17:14.780 Absolutely. Just so that it doesn't have to be a complete stop of immigration. Although I think

00:17:20.520 a moratorium for a period of time would be fine, but you want the, you want to make sure that the

00:17:26.080 quality of people that you're letting in are people like we know immigrants from Kenya, Zimbabwe. We

00:17:31.840 know a lot of people like that, that are super hardworking, that are Christians, that are really

00:17:37.080 good neighbors and friends and church members and all of that. But I mean, they are like the model

00:17:42.600 people that you want to live next door to, but you know, they have family members that are just like

00:17:48.280 them who have been trying to come legally and can't. I know. But I do think that one of the

00:17:53.340 things that we ought to do is we should get rid of chain migration, automatic chain migration. I agree.

00:17:59.000 I don't mind giving a preference to vetting a fellow family member. Okay. Early. I get that. But

00:18:06.320 chain migration, and that's a Chuck Schumer thing. He was the one that pushed that through.

00:18:11.340 Now, shame on us for letting it happen. But chain migration is a problem. And that's where a lot

00:18:16.540 of the Somalian issues in Minnesota came from, chain migration. And we just, that needs to be

00:18:22.540 eliminated. That needs to be, somebody needs to be talking about that in the Republican Party. And 0.75

00:18:26.660 I've heard very little about that. That also affects housing prices, I would think. I mean,

00:18:32.300 just the more people that you bring in in general. Oh yeah, more demand. No question about it.

00:18:35.700 And yeah, I mean, multi-generational homes, they can just afford a bigger down payment than the

00:18:40.480 average, you know, couple coming out of college with the wife wants to be a stay-at-home mom,

00:18:44.540 and the dad has a $60,000 a year job. Like, that's hard to compete against the chain migration

00:18:50.720 family that lives next door that's got three generations of income owners. That's tough

00:18:55.520 for the American family. No question about it. And we see, I see, the thing that's worrying me the most

00:19:01.040 is not the taking over of our cities, it's the taking over of our suburbs.

00:19:06.560 Yeah, totally. Big time taking over. I see that all around the country.

00:19:11.620 And what's happening is they're doing, you know, multi-generational people living in the same

00:19:16.500 house, multi-generational incomes. And they, you know, even in the neighborhood that I live in,

00:19:25.400 I walk a lot, right? And it's so interesting is that I will pass people that I know have immigrated

00:19:32.040 here, you know, meet them, and they won't even make eye contact. Nope. It's just really strange,

00:19:38.080 right? Yep. I mean, I'll say hi to almost everybody. Hello, you know, that type of deal.

00:19:42.060 They won't even make eye contact. And I'm thinking, that's not right. That's not the America that I

00:19:47.520 grew up in or believe in. No. And that's one thing, you know, we heard so much, especially the

00:19:52.060 past few years, diversity is our strength, diversity is our strength. Well, statistically,

00:19:55.880 that's not true. It can be a strength if you have something bigger than that uniting you.

00:20:03.420 Right. That's correct.

00:20:03.860 So it can bring different perspectives and things like that. But at the end of the day,

00:20:06.660 you have to say, okay, but this is what we have in common. But if you don't have that,

00:20:10.840 then diversity is a weakness. That's right.

00:20:12.760 There's this book called Bowling Alone by Robert Putnam. I'm sure you've heard of it. It's old. It's,

00:20:16.980 you know, 25 years old. But he talked about this, that the more diverse a neighborhood is,

00:20:22.240 the less you trust your neighbors. And it's not because any one individual is racist. It's just

00:20:27.920 human nature. It's just, we are trying to force multiculturalism upon people without any shared 0.99

00:20:35.860 underneath values. And that has worked zero places throughout history.

00:20:40.380 And it's never about multiculturalism where they adopt our culture. It's about us tolerance of their

00:20:47.420 culture.

00:20:48.160 Yeah. And acceptance and celebration.

00:20:49.780 Yeah. And so anyway.

00:20:51.980 Yeah. It's tough. Okay. Just one thing I want to finish on, on this. A lot of people are talking

00:20:56.580 about the gun aspect of this. Australia has really, really tough gun laws. And now they're talking

00:21:02.140 about getting even tougher gun laws, which I don't even know how you do. Like, how would people like

00:21:06.620 this even get guns?

00:21:08.060 I don't know, but criminals always get guns.

00:21:10.440 Yeah.

00:21:10.840 And it's the way it is. I mean, it could have been sent over on some ship in some crate that said,

00:21:18.460 you know, peaches on it or something. You know what I'm saying? I mean, they don't check every

00:21:21.860 single crate or, or anything like that. Who knows how they got it. But remember, criminals

00:21:26.840 are always going to have guns. And the stricter the gun control simply means that criminals will

00:21:32.380 have them and the government will have them. And individual law abiding citizens will be the

00:21:37.660 only ones that are disadvantaged.

00:21:39.140 Yep. There was a terrible attack in Australia, the Port Arthur attack that people point to

00:21:44.320 because they really, like, they really locked down on gun ownership after I think 1997. And

00:21:50.640 people will, they'll show a graph of 1997 to today that gun deaths went down. What they

00:21:55.800 don't show you is if you expand the graph before 1997, gun deaths were already going down in Australia

00:22:03.220 before they changed that policy at the exact same rate. So whatever it was, whatever else was

00:22:09.120 happening that made gun deaths go down, it wasn't actually them stopping gun ownership that stopped

00:22:15.220 that. This just made it to where very few civilians had the ability to protect themselves.

00:22:20.600 Right. Yeah. It's not good. This, evidently, this person, what I read was that this person had

00:22:25.160 bought these guns legally. Um, but I, I don't know that that's true or not, but I'd, I'd read that,

00:22:31.480 that he had, there's some way you can get like a hunting. I don't think these were hunting rifles

00:22:36.200 though, that they were shooting. I'm not exactly sure what they were, but in order to kill that

00:22:40.900 many people, they had to be, feel like they would need to be semi-automatic at least.

00:22:46.340 Yeah. There is a video of the police taking these guys down and then, you know, arresting them.

00:22:53.460 Cause I guess at least one of the guys is alive. And then, you know, some Australian guy,

00:22:58.200 you hear all the Australians in the background, like cheering on the police. It's morbid, but 1.00

00:23:02.720 like you want the good guy to go down. So you find yourself like watching it and cheering along

00:23:06.900 with them or the bad guy to go down. I don't remember if I said that right or wrong, but then

00:23:11.060 this good guy comes up and I saw people saying this should be the next prime minister of Australia.

00:23:16.740 He just curb stomps the like suspect's head into the ground. He did. He got arrested.

00:23:22.820 Of course he did. So yeah. What do you think about that?

00:23:26.000 Well, I hope there's not a jury in Australia that would ever convict that man.

00:23:29.860 Yeah. That's a sad case if it is.

00:23:31.920 Yeah, it is.

00:23:33.080 I think we, I mean, I'm sorry. We celebrate that guy. He just killed 15 people.

00:23:37.200 Yeah.

00:23:37.500 It's a waste of our money to even put him on trial.

00:23:39.900 Yeah.

00:23:40.240 Just get this, move it through fast.

00:23:42.220 I know.

00:23:42.600 Okay.

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00:25:08.980 Okay. So Charlie Kirk's killer, and we've tried on this show not to say his name. It's hard to do.

00:25:15.200 And I don't even know if it's always the right thing. I just feel like people like this always

00:25:18.220 just want notoriety.

00:25:19.460 Oh, this guy definitely does.

00:25:20.700 They want to be known. So I just try not to say his name, but it's getting harder and harder to do.

00:25:25.540 So he made his first in-person court appearance on Thursday, December 11th

00:25:29.780 in Provo, Utah after previous appearances via video from the Utah County Jail,

00:25:35.400 where he has been held since his arrest in September.

00:25:39.080 People will remember that his parents saw him on the security footage, said,

00:25:44.200 that's my son. They did the right thing. The very, very difficult thing I can imagine.

00:25:49.700 Turned their son in. He has been in jail. He is being charged with aggravated murder.

00:25:55.280 So this is known as first-degree murder in other states. It's an elevated charge carrying the death

00:26:00.520 penalty or life without parole. Now, we'll get into kind of what happened on Thursday,

00:26:06.420 but apparently the trial might not even start until 2027, Dad.

00:26:11.880 Well, these things, and again, our system is set up. Our system is, remember how our system came

00:26:18.340 out of, we came out of a place where a king could say, you're arrested without any proof or trial or

00:26:25.060 anything like that. So our system is set up to favor the accused. That's right. And there,

00:26:32.300 our system allows, the way it's set up, people that are guilty to get off. There's no question

00:26:38.020 about it. All right. The burden of proof is heavily, heavily on the prosecution, which is the

00:26:42.860 government in this case. And so there are many steps to go through that can delay. And the reason

00:26:49.160 that defense generally likes to delay is they want it, the emotion to have passed through what could be

00:26:56.280 their jury pool. Okay. Yeah. Now my prediction is that there'll never end up being a prosecutorial

00:27:07.980 conviction, meaning it won't go to trial and be convicted. Some point in time, he is going to

00:27:13.920 take a plea bargain to take life in prison. That's what I think. So you won't even have a trial?

00:27:19.020 It's going to be much later. You may start the trial, but before the sentencing or somewhere in

00:27:24.880 there, I believe that they'll, that he'll try to cut a deal and the government will probably give

00:27:29.660 him the deal. And why do you think that? Well, just because it allows him to live because they're

00:27:34.460 going to, they're going after the death penalty, right? There's no question. But you shouldn't be

00:27:38.680 allowed to just plea that down. If the death penalty is just, then it's just. I know, but you can

00:27:44.020 because it's a two-way street and what the government, their calculus, I think would be

00:27:49.620 is that we don't want to take any risk of this guy getting off or there being an appeal that would,

00:27:58.100 you know, that type of thing. And so. Yeah. So they see it kind of as a win-win. That's,

00:28:03.140 that's what they would see. Now, maybe that'll be different in this particular case. I don't know,

00:28:07.400 but that's what I see. Now there is going to be, you know, the next hearing is January 16th,

00:28:12.260 but it's really just on media, how much they're going to allow the media in. And then

00:28:16.400 there's several pre-trial hearings that have to happen in this. We need to be praying for this

00:28:23.420 judge. He's in a tough spot. Judge Graff. Yeah. Is it Travis Graff or something like that? Or

00:28:29.400 if I remember right. But anyway, we need it because it's tough. Those things are tough.

00:28:34.820 Tony Graff. Tony Graff. Yeah. We need to be praying for him. Those are tough scenarios. He'll be under a lot

00:28:39.660 of pressure and you know, just scumbag dude. I, again, it's still hard for me to believe it 0.99

00:28:47.600 happened, honestly. Yeah. I know. I know. We should have pictures of him in the courtroom,

00:28:55.000 smiling, things like that. It was very, just very disturbing. Oh, you just wanted to slap him.

00:29:00.460 I know. And people were also pointing out, we should put up a picture of this, that he was

00:29:05.880 wearing like baby blue and baby pink, a baby pink tie. And people pointed out, those are the colors

00:29:14.300 of the transgender flag. Oh, I didn't notice that. And we don't, we don't know if that is purposeful

00:29:20.180 or not, but it's a little on the nose. I'm just going to say, I'm just going to say that it was.

00:29:24.840 Yeah. I mean, it's a little on the nose. So this guy, Judge Tony Graff, he says that he's got

00:29:33.100 1,409 cases that are assigned to him, which I don't even understand, Dad, how that works,

00:29:40.980 how these judges have so many cases assigned to them. How do they even get through all of this?

00:29:44.860 Why is it set up that way? Well, probably 80% of them will never go to trial.

00:29:48.920 They'll be pled out. And I don't know if his is just a criminal court or he also has civil cases

00:29:53.600 as well. I'm not sure how the Utah system works. And again, this is a state, murder is a state

00:30:00.420 crime. There may be federal felonies related to guns and stuff like that, that are also associated

00:30:07.760 with this, but the actual murder is a state crime. And so these are state, the state of Utah.

00:30:14.580 Yeah.

00:30:15.380 It's this accused person versus the state of Utah versus this accused person.

00:30:21.300 Yeah.

00:30:21.580 And so the state judges, if he's in an area that is growing population-wise, which I think

00:30:29.440 it's Provo, isn't it, is where they're having this trial, is that they may need to increase

00:30:36.020 the number of judges. Texas does that all the time as our population grows, but it takes a

00:30:40.540 while to get that done. The governor has to appoint somebody and then the legislature has

00:30:45.900 to approve the funding for it. So it just may be that the judges there right now are pretty

00:30:50.200 overloaded.

00:30:50.860 Yeah. So last week they kind of talked about a variety of things like media access. It does

00:30:58.720 seem right now that during the trial, they are going to allow cameras. Now his team doesn't

00:31:05.900 like that because they're afraid that it opens it up to conspiracy theory, sensationalism, that

00:31:10.600 he's going to be over scrutinized, that the jury is then not going to be able to be objective.

00:31:16.640 The prosecution, and I've heard Erica say this, she wants transparency. People want to be able

00:31:23.600 to see. For a similar reason, they think it could cause conspiracy and speculation if people

00:31:31.120 can't actually see what's going on. To that end, the judge also clarified some things like

00:31:37.140 allowing him to wear street clothes. So like he was wearing a, you know, a shirt and a tie rather

00:31:44.220 than a prison jumpsuit. So that doesn't taint the jury pool. Also, I get that the media aren't

00:31:51.340 supposed to be able to show him in shackles.

00:31:54.080 Yes. I did read that. Yeah. Yeah. Again. And I get that because he is innocent until proving

00:32:00.980 guilty.

00:32:01.360 Yeah. And we do like, we want as fair as possible. And that's why when I see people say like,

00:32:10.340 oh, well, why isn't the FBI or why isn't law enforcement asking this, talking to this person,

00:32:15.520 doing this. And I've been so confused about that because I'm like, how, how do we know that they're

00:32:21.680 not? Am I not on the email chain that the DOJ is sending out and saying like, here's the witness

00:32:27.940 that we're talking to today. I've just been very confused about that. And genuinely, like,

00:32:33.000 do I not understand how this goes? But I mean, they keep these things.

00:32:36.480 They don't have a duty. They don't have a duty to report that.

00:32:39.180 Yeah. And they probably shouldn't, right? Like that probably wouldn't be fair. To your point,

00:32:44.920 the accused also has their rights in this. And we want it to be that way as much as we might

00:32:50.160 loathe the person who did something we want our system to be.

00:32:56.120 Yes. That's the way you want the system to be. Otherwise, you live in tyranny.

00:33:01.980 Yeah. And I, I really do believe that those closest to Charlie who are working with law

00:33:07.620 enforcement, they're trying to turn over every stone and asking all of the questions.

00:33:11.540 I don't think there's any question of that.

00:33:13.260 Um, he also talked about the gag order and the judge did, and he just clarified that this is a

00:33:19.740 rule that stops lawyers, witnesses, and others involved from talking publicly about the case

00:33:25.760 outside of court. It's not anyone anywhere that can't talk about it. Cause I saw some people say,

00:33:31.580 Oh, I'm going to violate the gag order. And Charlie, well, you don't have the power to do that.

00:33:36.580 Right.

00:33:37.420 It's only certain people.

00:33:38.300 Yeah. It's just the people are involved. Or, or if you might be a witness now, that's where it gets

00:33:42.320 a little gray. Cause people don't always know if they're going to be a witness or not,

00:33:45.980 you know, but somebody like Lee, like his parents shouldn't comment on it. That would apply to them

00:33:51.580 cause they were the ones that turned him in. His ex, uh, boyfriend, whatever he was can't comment.

00:33:59.440 Yeah. The suspect, uh, the suspects, you know, live in whoever that was, uh, probably no school

00:34:06.200 officials, that type of thing. Uh, Charlie's team, you know, probably can't comment specifically on

00:34:14.000 things related to the trial. That's probably what they're talking about, but yeah. Yeah. We just have

00:34:20.460 to keep following it again. Uh, every time I'm sure with Charlie's family, with his wife and kids

00:34:27.920 and with his parents, every time this kind of comes up for another hearing or something that you relive

00:34:34.040 all of that. I mean, it's a painful, painful process I can imagine. Yeah. Um, people talked

00:34:40.500 about like trying to lip read, like what he was saying. People were commenting on just his demeanor,

00:34:47.480 not seeming sad, not seeming afraid at all. There's this body language expert as reported

00:34:52.020 by the independent named Scott Rouse that claims by the body language that he wasn't demonstrating

00:34:57.920 any form of grief. Here's site. These two muscles pull together and this muscle pulls down. I don't

00:35:03.300 see any of that. I don't see any grief muscle. It lets us know he's really, really worried about

00:35:06.840 anything and no concern. Well, yeah, because he's probably sociopathic. And obviously if guilty, 0.80

00:35:15.940 an evil person, because I'm, I mean, I don't know. It just seems to me a person, whether you,

00:35:24.660 if you murdered someone and you regret it, you're going to show distress. And if you didn't do it,

00:35:29.580 I mean, you're definitely going to be distressed. Yeah. Like, yeah. What are we missing here?

00:35:34.680 And also as parents, if like, you really don't think that your son did it, like you're going to

00:35:40.020 be sounding the alarms. I assume. Yep. Yeah. No, I would, I would imagine so.

00:35:44.660 You'd be tearing the house down. You're going to be going to the media. You're going to really

00:35:47.880 be trying to do something. This, you know, I think when I looked at it, I don't think there's

00:35:52.440 any question. The guy was smirking. I think he's enjoying the attention. And I think, you know, he

00:35:59.520 either, he doesn't care what happens to him or he hasn't quite processed what all of that means.

00:36:06.600 And maybe the celebrity status of it means more to him. Kind of like that guy that shot

00:36:12.100 the United healthcare guy. Right. Yeah. Um, and they're totally opposite scenarios, but still

00:36:17.820 both of the suspects, you know, just seem, you know, do they have access to social media

00:36:24.000 in jail in any way? I guess he could have people tell him. Well, he could have, yeah. Visitors,

00:36:31.080 but they don't think they can even bring their phones and stuff. So how would he know that he's

00:36:34.380 being hailed as a hero because he is being hailed as a hero. Probably can watch TV and some of the

00:36:39.820 TV reporting says that, that he's being held by a hero, you know, that they report that they

00:36:45.580 didn't necessarily say. Well, actually you really only have to turn on, you know, MSNBC and see

00:36:50.200 Ilhan Omar say that, well, he was a racist and he was a terrible person. So he could feel like a

00:36:57.160 vigilante like that. So we'll see what's going to happen. Pray for truth, pray for justice. People

00:37:03.580 know that I do believe that for a murder like this, that the death penalty should be carried out.

00:37:09.280 I actually think the unjust part about our justice system when it comes to the death penalty is that

00:37:13.960 it's too arbitrary and that it takes too long to do. Genesis nine tells us that the death penalty

00:37:20.000 is the proportionate and just murder or just punishment for murder, not for everything,

00:37:26.460 but after due process for murder, because we are made in God's image. Charlie was made in God's

00:37:32.240 image and you can't replace that. That is so special. It's different than hurting an animal.

00:37:36.740 It's different than doing anything else. We are so special and so sacred that the only just

00:37:41.360 punishment for purposely killing an innocent person is death. That's actually mercy. It's not torture.

00:37:47.500 It's not 30 years in prison. It is the mercy of snuffing the life out of the person who snuffed the

00:37:54.920 life out of the other person. Yeah. Well, our trial system, I think is probably the best there is in

00:38:02.580 the world. Our sentencing system, our putting out punishment leaves out one major factor and it leaves

00:38:12.440 out the victim. And that's what really bothers me. Yeah. Victims not considered near as much

00:38:20.280 as the suspect. Yeah. Right. Punishment phase. And by the way, my opinion is that this is the guy who

00:38:29.000 did it. Now, were there other people involved? I think that, of course, that's always possible.

00:38:34.860 But I just haven't been persuaded. Like, I want to know who did it. I haven't been persuaded by any of

00:38:40.700 the theories or any of the qualms of people saying, well, he couldn't have done this or this

00:38:45.180 bullet couldn't have done this. I'm not a gun expert, but the more I've looked into it, it is

00:38:49.580 possible for that kind of bullet at that angle that killed Charlie to be stopped, like, by Charlie's

00:38:56.740 Charlie's body. And look, I think that there are very violent extremist cells online among left-wing

00:39:05.340 militant groups that want to see Christian conservatives dead because of the things they

00:39:10.920 say. I do believe 100% that's what happened with Charlie Kirk. And I do believe my opinion is that

00:39:18.060 Tyler Robinson was at the center of that. Yep. And those groups are looking for people that are just

00:39:24.600 able to be radicalized. And this is radicalization. That's what it is. Whether it's radicalization to

00:39:29.860 Islam or radicalization to the far left wokeness or radicalization to, you know, white supremacist.

00:39:37.880 Radicalization is radicalization. And this guy is radicalized. And that's why he doesn't have any

00:39:42.380 remorse about it. Yeah, it is. But this is a far more pervasive form of radicalization. We just don't,

00:39:50.360 like, if we had a bunch of radical white supremacists out there, you can bet your bottom dollar we'd be 0.88

00:39:54.940 hearing about it on a daily basis. Oh, yeah. We got a lot of left-wing violence. It's a huge, 0.96

00:40:00.600 huge problem. Lots of it. All right. We'll end this segment. I thought that Matt Walsh did a great

00:40:06.440 job on his show, just talking about the different, like, theories and why he believes that this guy

00:40:13.360 was in the middle of it. And I think I accidentally violated my rule and said his name. You did. You did.

00:40:18.120 I told you guys, it's difficult. It's really difficult to talk about this without mentioning

00:40:22.520 his name. Didn't mean to do that. But here's thought nine. So we have three confessions here,

00:40:26.740 one to his parents, one to his roommate, and one on Discord. And the confessions were not obtained

00:40:31.300 by the FBI or coerced in an interrogation room or anything like that. Robinson turned himself in at

00:40:37.280 a sheriff's office, not an FBI field office. A retired deputy sheriff and family friend brought him

00:40:43.180 there. Those local sheriffs were the ones who took the first statements from Robinson's parents,

00:40:48.160 which identified Robinson as the shooter and provided the motive. In literally any other case,

00:40:54.580 for literally any other defendant, if there is DNA evidence and a confession,

00:41:01.000 they will be convicted. And to say that this kind of evidence is not enough, indeed to say that this

00:41:06.780 evidence doesn't even point vaguely to the suspect, is to essentially say that guilt

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00:42:18.540 Okay. Let's talk about Gavin Newsom. Do we have thought 11 of Gavin? Okay. Let's talk about his latest

00:42:29.640 declaration that he is the most pro-trans governor. Saw 11. We didn't get into trans sports. That's an 0.92

00:42:36.440 issue no one wants to hear about because 80 percent of the people listening disagree with my position

00:42:40.180 on this. But it comes from my heart, not just my head. It wasn't a political evolution.

00:42:47.180 Your position being that? I don't think it's fair. I want to see trans kids. I have a trans godson.

00:42:52.700 There's no governor to sign more pro-trans legislation than I have.

00:42:55.800 Okay. So, do you think that this is going to play with the nation in general for 2028?

00:43:05.260 I think he thinks that the middle position on trans is don't play in the wrong sports from your

00:43:12.160 biological birth, but everything else about it is okay. He thinks that's the middle position.

00:43:18.340 And I don't think if the Republican shape it properly, then I don't think that is it. I mean,

00:43:26.800 especially when you read about, there was an article in one of the papers I read over the weekend about

00:43:32.300 how the medical community admits that they are basically doing junk science. And they said,

00:43:42.920 hey, well, we need to put together a, you know, basically like a chat group so we can talk to

00:43:47.120 each other about it. I mean, it's just crazy. And so I don't think that it will be, but that's what

00:43:52.960 he's trying to put out there. Cause you know, he says no trans in the, you know, no boys in girls

00:43:58.880 sports. And he also said 80% of the people disagree with him on that. That's just not true.

00:44:03.880 No, not 80% of maybe he misspoke. 80% of people agree with him. If not more, I think it's probably

00:44:11.780 close to 90% that say, yeah, we should have separate spaces for boys and girls for the sake 0.93

00:44:17.540 of girls. I, it's a completely logically untenable position because you can't say, yes, it's possible

00:44:23.820 for a boy to become a girl, but he can't play with other girls. That doesn't make any sense. 0.60

00:44:29.200 I think the Democrats will try not to talk about it at all.

00:44:32.000 Well, yeah, I think they'll try to listen to Jim Carville, who was an old Democrat strategist.

00:44:37.180 They haven't taken that advice so far, but I think when it comes down to it, not a Jasmine

00:44:43.360 Crockett or a AOC, but a Gavin Newsom. Oh yeah. Cause he didn't really have any of his own beliefs.

00:44:50.200 Those aren't, you know, I just want to be elected.

00:44:53.040 So are we gearing up for 2028? Are things already like starting to take shape with people vying

00:44:58.580 for that?

00:44:59.040 Uh, they will take shape more after November of 26. That's when it really starts happening.

00:45:03.600 Yeah. That's when it really starts happening. Uh, but sure. I mean, especially on the Democrat

00:45:07.820 side, he's trying to clear the field, you know, and, um, I don't know who, I mean, I think there'll

00:45:14.620 be some other people, maybe like the guy from Pennsylvania to see can a moderate, the problem

00:45:19.240 with the guy from Pennsylvania and the guy from Kentucky is they cannot win the primary

00:45:25.000 unless, unless they cut some type of deal where they essentially, um, I hate to use the word

00:45:34.620 cheat, but kind of like what they did when they got me and Hillary. Yeah, that's right.

00:45:38.460 That whole type of deal. Uh, that's, that's the only way that could happen.

00:45:43.240 Hmm. Okay. So midterms. Yeah.

00:45:47.200 What do we need to be thinking about right now?

00:45:48.980 Well, we need to be thinking about Christmas and our, the birth of our savior.

00:45:54.680 Yes.

00:45:55.240 But as soon as that's over, so we turn the calendar, we got to go to work. We got to get

00:46:00.400 to work. We have primaries coming up. Uh, Texas is the first Tuesday in March and all

00:46:06.580 over the country. They'll be primary. So you need to pick the person in your party that

00:46:11.620 you think will best be able to win in November. Yeah. Cause remember folks, politics at the

00:46:20.180 end of the day is a binary choice, right? It's not between, you know, 16 different people.

00:46:26.860 It's the two, who do you think can win? That's the, that's the person that you should pick who

00:46:32.520 can win in the general election right now in a, in, uh, the, the favorables, unfavorables,

00:46:39.200 Republicans have an advantage kind of nationwide. Uh, the unfavorables for Democrats are, it's

00:46:45.500 really kind of odd. They're way like, you know, you've got like 20% more unfavorable than you do

00:46:51.500 favorable. So it's like 54, 34, something like that. But when you ask for a, this is a weird,

00:46:58.620 this is weird because it says when you ask in a generic ballot, who would you vote for a Republican

00:47:04.340 or Democrat in Congress, Democrats are actually ahead by a little bit. So it's really a weird

00:47:09.860 dynamic, but remember congressional races are local races. They're not national races.

00:47:16.600 Yeah. They're what happens in that locality. And a lot of people say, yeah, I hate all Republicans

00:47:22.160 other than my Republican, or I hate all Democrats other than my Democrat. I think it's going to be a,

00:47:27.860 it usually is in midterms. It's going to be a very tough midterm, uh, for, for Republicans.

00:47:33.800 And so therefore we have to really, really outwork the other side in order to keep our pretty slim

00:47:40.380 margin already. Um, in some cases, Trump will need to engage, but in some cases,

00:47:47.120 President Trump will need to not engage and he needs to respect that. Uh, because look,

00:47:52.860 the MAGA voters in the general election are going to vote, uh,

00:47:57.860 anyway, for the Republican candidate. Now we do need to get the vote out, but we don't need for

00:48:03.840 him to come in, in a situation where he's got a huge negative appeal in a general election.

00:48:10.960 Yeah. We need to not do that. There are some places where we have to win with a moderate Republican.

00:48:17.720 Yeah. We just, that's just the way it is.

00:48:19.720 Okay. Talk about that Senate seat in Texas that is up for grabs.

00:48:23.820 Yes. Well, uh, you know, we have Senator Cornyn, the current sitting Senator, and then we have

00:48:30.660 Attorney General Paxton, and then we have Congressman Wesley Hunt, which I don't know

00:48:34.960 why he got in the race because he just gave up his congressional seat to become Senator that he's

00:48:39.460 not going to win, uh, in my opinion. Okay. Uh, he's not a bad person, but I just don't think he has a

00:48:45.000 chance. So that will probably end up, those three, those three people, it'll probably end up down to a

00:48:50.080 runoff. And the Republican primary for that Senate seat, because Cornyn is stepping down.

00:48:55.500 He's not stepping down. No. He's not. Oh, he's running. He's running. Okay. But he has to get,

00:48:59.740 you have to get 50, 50 plus one. Okay. And then, so there'll be a runoff between. So what do you

00:49:04.320 think? Who do you think the Republicans are going to be? I think it'll be Paxton and Cornyn. It'll be

00:49:07.380 the runoff. And then I don't know who will be after that. You don't know. No, I've been very, I've been

00:49:11.600 happy. A lot of, a lot of your listeners may not be, but I know him personally. I've been very happy with

00:49:15.860 Senator Cornyn. A lot of people think he's not conservative enough. I,

00:49:20.080 I don't think the record shows that, but we'll see what happens with that. And then on the,

00:49:25.920 on the Democrat side, that's our good friend, Jasmine Crockett. Good friend. Okay. And, and then

00:49:33.300 Tallarico, James Tallarico. Another one of my good friends. State rep that believes the Bible

00:49:38.480 just is all in favor of abortion. Oh yeah. Actually it is this story that we are celebrating, 0.72

00:49:44.340 the Nativity story of Mary, uh, being the mother of Jesus that he thinks affirms bodily autonomy and

00:49:53.920 the pro-choice position, which, you know, I've really tried to actually engage with him. I would

00:49:58.700 like to have a public conversation with him friendly, but I, I want to know where do we get

00:50:05.160 these perspectives, James Tallarico. And then we've got Jasmine Crockett. Um, okay. Let's watch

00:50:10.300 our girl, Jasmine, Jasmine Crockett. She says we need illegal immigrants because she's done picking 1.00

00:50:16.720 cotton. So it's top 15. So I had to go around the country and educate people about what immigrants

00:50:24.400 do for this country or the fact that we are a country of immigrants. Right. Right. The fact is,

00:50:29.820 ain't none of y'all trying to go and farm right now. Okay. So I'm lying. Raise, raise your hands.

00:50:42.680 You're not, you're not, we done picking cotton.

00:50:49.760 We are, you can't pay us enough to find a plantation. Okay. So she's done picking cotton. So we have to 1.00

00:50:57.100 get the guys from Honduras to do it. I don't know. It'll sound a little like her hair may have been,

00:51:01.460 she may have been out in the field that morning because she had a little rough look on that 1.00

00:51:05.080 type of deal. I picked more cotton than Jasmine Crockett has because my grandparents were farmers. 1.00

00:51:11.220 And I can tell you what, I can tell you, I can tell you who the slaves were. It was their 13 kids

00:51:15.800 and there were grandkids that were old enough to come around and help. And that's a joke, of course,

00:51:19.660 but we were, we were the small farmers. And so she, well, you know what? I'm, I'm going to tell

00:51:27.800 all my Democrat friends, please vote for Jasmine Crockett in the primary. Please vote for Jasmine.

00:51:34.340 She's your choice. I mean, just look at her. She's saying all the right things. Just please vote for

00:51:38.800 her. Yeah. And she's poised. That's what I like about her. And she's, you know, I disagree with her

00:51:44.300 politics, but it's her eloquence that just really, it floors me. And her, yes, her enunciations and

00:51:51.940 all of those types of things. I know we're not supposed to necessarily agree with President

00:51:56.700 Trump when he says people have a low IQ, but I'm just not a big fan of Jasmine's ability to really

00:52:04.580 put good, thoughtful sentences together because she just kind of, all she does is rant. What's her

00:52:11.200 idea? I want to know what's your idea. Maybe her and Tallarico will get together and they'll

00:52:16.300 actually have some policy discussion. Who would be just thought experiment? Who would be more

00:52:21.180 dangerous in that seat? Tallarico or Crockett? Or is it basically the same? Cause they'll just vote

00:52:25.680 the same way. Well, they're all going to vote the same way, but Tallarico is my opinion, a lot more

00:52:31.540 believable in the way he comes across than just cause she's ranting all the time. Right. Yeah. And I'll tell

00:52:38.620 you what, if Tallarico's smart, he will bring up all what appears to be some misuse of funds by her

00:52:46.300 campaign on the things she's spending money on. Even if it's not misuse, it's extravagance for sure. 1.00

00:52:53.620 Shocking. Yeah. Absolutely shocking. Yeah. I'd be more worried about just Tallarico,

00:53:00.740 his brand of Christianity is extremely troubling. And to see that kind of take root, 0.99

00:53:06.200 that just total heresy, not good. Not good. I agree with that. So we'll see what it's going

00:53:13.100 to be. But we're going to know the interesting thing in Texas is we're going to know within 90

00:53:16.580 days. Yeah. Really about 75 days. We'll know who the Democrat nominee is. We probably won't know

00:53:24.340 the Republican. It could be a runoff. And that's why I just encourage people. Look, you find your

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00:53:33.920 your yard, put signs in the neighborhood. You know, don't complain if you're not willing to

00:53:39.340 participate. Yeah. Okay. We've got some listener questions. All right. We got listener questions,

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00:54:55.060 Uh, okay. Let's see. Who do you, dad? Who do you listen to? Someone said, my dad always listened

00:55:11.880 to Rush and Charlie. Not sure. He does not sure what to listen to now. Who do you listen to? Besides,

00:55:19.080 of course, the wonderful, relatable podcast. Well, I mean, that's number one. Number one. I also

00:55:23.820 listened to, uh, the O'Reilly, uh, what he calls it a newscast. I call it a podcast. It comes out

00:55:30.380 like a podcast. I listened to, I listened to O'Reilly. Uh, and then, um, I will still do some

00:55:38.160 Hannity, you know, if I want opinion type stuff. O'Reilly's much more of a news. Now he has his

00:55:43.580 opinion thrown in there, but he's a lot like in some ways like you, as you throw out the news and

00:55:48.320 you may overlay it with some of your opinion. Uh, if I just want hard opinion, I'll do that. I still

00:55:53.020 like to watch Brett Baer in the afternoons. I think he does a good job. He's a kind of down

00:55:57.860 the middle guy. He's got a pretty good panels on there. And those are the ones that I follow

00:56:02.660 the most. I do read the wall street journal, although their opinion page, their opinion page

00:56:07.800 is pretty conservative. Their news page, not as conservative. So some of their, some of their

00:56:11.960 columns are not as conservative. I think they're a little bit left leaning on that.

00:56:16.460 Yeah. Um, and for Christian stuff, you still listen to the Robertsons. I still listen to

00:56:24.140 the Robertsons, you know, we all miss Phil, but I, I love, I think they do a really good

00:56:28.940 job. If you're interested guys and gals, but guys, especially in a Bible study podcast, they're

00:56:36.040 very good at that. Now they, you know, some, some of their episodes, they'll have 10 minutes

00:56:42.580 of Bible study and 30 minutes of stories, which they're related, but they're, they're also very

00:56:48.240 entertaining. And, and those guys are very knowledgeable. Uh, they believe like you and

00:56:53.460 I do that. We believe the Bible from Genesis to maps as Zig Ziglar would say. And, uh, but

00:56:59.200 I like listening to them for that. Yeah. And I also listened some, uh, to, uh, the Bible in

00:57:06.100 the year with our, my pastor, Jack Graham. And I think that's pretty good as well.

00:57:11.440 Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Um, let's see next question. Okay. This is actually a question that I wanted

00:57:19.940 to ask earlier about, okay. So lots of divisions right now on the right. And I think a lot of

00:57:26.160 us just did not realize how much Charlie Kirk was holding our coalition together and he's

00:57:31.560 gone and it feels extremely fractured. You've got some people over here saying that they don't

00:57:35.920 even care about the midterms. They just, I don't know what they want exactly. They don't

00:57:40.520 care about the midterms. Like Israel is a huge divide right now. It is a huge, huge divide,

00:57:47.320 which, okay. I think it's fine to have disagreements about that, but it has become like the number

00:57:54.100 one form of name calling. Like people will call me last week, the big attack. Allie is just

00:58:00.400 a, she's just a Zionist who doesn't care about like dead gods and children. She's Israel first, 0.91

00:58:06.500 which is actually just insane because I very rarely even talk about foreign policy. And I've

00:58:12.760 been very clear about my own theological position that I don't believe that Christians have the 1.00

00:58:18.580 political obligation to support the state of Israel. But I do think it's smarter politics if

00:58:24.520 you're going to pick between Hamas and Israel, but I don't think you have an obligation. You can be

00:58:28.920 America first. I'm not a dispensationalist. I've never talked about Zionism, but it's just become 0.94

00:58:35.640 this thing that is like the fracturing of the right. And it worries me going into the midterms,

00:58:42.660 going into 28. Do we have, what are we going to rally around as a non-left coalition if we are so

00:58:51.660 fundamentally fractured? Yeah, I think that it's a valid concern. I think what we have to, I think

00:58:58.440 what it'll end up being is we will, if we can rally around anything, it'll be rallying around the

00:59:04.420 economy. Because at the end of the day, the most important thing, assuming there's not some

00:59:10.340 geopolitical event that occurs, is what happens in people's pocketbooks. And that's what the Republicans

00:59:16.660 need to be focusing on, is what happens in people's pocketbooks. And I don't think that necessarily

00:59:21.340 means you got to do a bunch more handouts, okay? I think that's one time our public officials

00:59:25.800 think that, well, every time people are upset about something financial related, we need to

00:59:29.380 give them more money. I don't think they need to do that. I think what they want to see is a plan,

00:59:34.120 which I think President Trump is actually doing a very good job of that. I mean, gas prices are down,

00:59:39.640 you know, 40 or 50 percent, okay? Inflation has stabilized to a historical level of two or three

00:59:48.480 percent. Mortgage rates, and I know nobody likes six percent mortgage rate, but that's what they

00:59:53.920 have averaged over the last 30 years, okay? What was the anomaly was the three percent and the two

00:59:59.180 percent rates. That's not happening again, okay? Just forget about that. You need to buy a home that you

01:00:04.740 can afford with a six percent mortgage. And I'm sorry if it's not the home that you had in your

01:00:10.540 mind when the interest rates were three percent, but that's what it's going to be. I don't see them

01:00:15.240 changing a lot. I think it could go down in the high fives, but it's not going back to two or three

01:00:19.820 percent unless there's a huge recession. That's the reason it happened last time. We had the Great

01:00:24.140 Recession. That's what caused it. And then COVID exacerbated that even more. So I think they have to

01:00:29.780 focus on the economy and all the good things, the tax cuts that they allowed to stay in place and

01:00:34.340 things like that. That's where I think we could rally around. When we look at our policies versus

01:00:38.760 the Democrat policies on that, you know, more giveaways, more, you know, open borders, all those

01:00:44.760 types of things that affect mine and your pocketbooks. I think that's what we have to focus on. And we

01:00:49.140 could rally around that. I don't know why we got in such of a split over Israel because I don't feel

01:00:56.920 like America's, from a government standpoint, our position on Israel has been the same. We have,

01:01:03.220 it's for president after president, after president, after, I just don't know why it got to be such a

01:01:09.760 split. I'm not sure why that is, but it is. You're right about that. Yeah. People would say, oh, well,

01:01:15.600 people are waking up to AIPAC and how much influence Israel has. And if we want to say, look, we shouldn't

01:01:22.440 have any influence from any foreign entities or any foreign PACs. Okay. But there's a lot of non-Israel 1.00

01:01:29.080 related PACs and a lot of non-Israel related money from Muslim majority countries. And Muslim

01:01:35.500 majority countries also have influence over politicians in the United States, over our media,

01:01:40.800 over our culture wars, and all of that. And you could say all of that is bad. I think that's fine,

01:01:46.000 but it is, it is weird how we've got this splintering of now the right, you've got some

01:01:51.200 people on the right saying, no, Israel is the real threat. And other people saying, well, 0.78

01:01:54.980 actually, I think it's Islam. Like, I think it's all of these terrorist organizations. 1.00

01:01:59.160 Anybody that says October 7th was okay, whatever position they're on, they're absolutely wrong.

01:02:08.380 So whatever position they take, they're wrong. Yeah. All right. That was nothing but murder,

01:02:13.900 murder, murder. A surprise terrorist attack. Yeah. You know, and, you know, Trump's administration

01:02:20.580 has got every hostage returned. Now, some of them have passed away, but they got, who else has done

01:02:27.040 that? I mean, we literally had Israeli babies that were taken hostage and murdered by Hamas. Like, 0.77

01:02:32.940 I just, I don't understand. I'm sorry, you can be for a two-state solution and all that,

01:02:37.420 but you can't be for that. And the fact that we have not universally denounced that

01:02:43.720 is what's crazy. And you could also say, because people are saying, well, what about the Christians

01:02:48.940 and the babies in Gaza? 1,000%, those people are just as much made in the image of God as anyone 0.96

01:02:54.380 else. When I see them, I see my kids. I don't want them to suffer, but they are suffering primarily

01:03:00.520 because of Hamas. Absolutely. Primarily because of Hamas. Hamas is hot behind them. When you bury 0.75

01:03:04.620 your weapons below a hospital or a school. Or a church. Or a church. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't have,

01:03:11.960 I've never been to Israel. I've never talked to anyone who is tied to Israel. People want to say,

01:03:16.980 oh, you're just, I never, I have zero associations at all. Just to me, when I look at it,

01:03:24.540 I'm like, I don't understand again, how it became this thing that if you denounce Hamas,

01:03:30.860 then you must be paid or whatever. And why don't we have the same uproar over what's

01:03:34.640 happening to the Christians in Nigeria? Why do we not have that same thing? 0.98

01:03:38.840 I mean, we don't, we don't have that. I don't hear, I don't see a lot of Instagram posts on that

01:03:43.760 and all that. What are we, what are we doing? Well, we do like over here on this side,

01:03:47.900 but when you have the people that just want to focus on what Israel does wrong and not the fact 0.52

01:03:53.620 that it's Muslims predominantly persecuting Christians and all kinds of people. Yeah, 0.94

01:03:59.500 that's a good question. Just asking questions about that. Okay. What do you do, dad, when all of

01:04:06.540 this is going on, all this craziness, all this chaos in the world to keep your eyes on Christ and to not

01:04:12.580 let yourself spiral into a panic? Well, I think I have to, honestly, one of the things that I

01:04:19.200 remember is something that you say all the time about God's perfect plan going off without a hitch.

01:04:23.840 I reminded some people of that the other day at a men's Bible study that I go to that a lot of the

01:04:29.880 guys listen to you. And, and then what I also try to do is make sure that the information that I'm

01:04:38.440 getting is as factual as it can be. Um, but I also will take periods where I back away from it a little

01:04:45.940 bit. Right. Cause I don't want that. I don't want you to be able to see that on my face when I'm around

01:04:51.220 my kids, grandkids and what have you. I think you have to look for a balance of finding things that

01:04:57.360 give you joy during that time, you know, fun things, you know, if it's, whether it's a, uh,

01:05:03.020 video of one of your kids saying something silly or one of just, you know, Justin's kids saying 0.92

01:05:07.640 something silly. Those are the types of things that I try to do a balancing act with that. I don't, 0.85

01:05:13.140 cause I, you can't be a 24 hour news. If you do not sit there and watch Fox news or MSNBC or

01:05:19.160 anything or scroll on your phone all day, you have to bring some humor into your life. That's what I

01:05:25.560 try to do. Yeah. I really, you know, I've been convicted as I've seen these like Charlie videos going

01:05:31.940 around, you know, they're promoting his book right now that he finished before he died,

01:05:35.780 which I just have to think is also God's providence. Cause I've been in the middle of

01:05:39.880 book projects and I just know that if I had something had happened in the middle of toxic

01:05:44.040 empathy, I don't know who could have finished it. So amazing that he finished that and that

01:05:47.980 they're able to promote it. But hearing him talk about completely shutting off his phone

01:05:52.640 from Friday evening to Saturday evening, totally putting it in a drawer. It's really convicted me

01:05:58.080 because I'll tell myself I'm doing a Sabbath, but I'm

01:06:01.940 it's not really, it's not fully unplugged. See, I think your phone's cut off a lot. Cause I

01:06:07.240 don't, you don't, you don't reply to my texts very quickly. I do forget where my phone is a lot.

01:06:12.720 So that's a mini Sabbath throughout the day. My mind is on a mini Sabbath because I'm forgetting

01:06:17.920 where my phone is, but one concentrated and intentional Sabbath from your phone.

01:06:24.740 I think that's a good idea. I think it's a good idea. I also think just being plugged into your

01:06:28.940 family. People ask me all the time, how do you talk about all this stuff and like stay happy?

01:06:32.920 And I truly do. Sometimes I get down. I'll admit the past few months have been hard. They've been

01:06:37.660 really hard. The past few weeks have been really hard. And I feel it actually like in my body,

01:06:43.780 I feel stress. I don't usually feel like that. Timothy will tell you that actually one of the

01:06:49.360 like frustrating, he would say one of the favorite things, but also the most frustrating things about

01:06:54.800 me is that when everything is really stressful and tensions are really high, I get really quiet

01:07:00.500 and I slow down and my voice gets quieter. And he's like, sure. Her literal pace gets slower. I'm

01:07:08.120 like trying to get somewhere fast. And I'm like, I really, I do the same thing. I really do. I have

01:07:13.500 to tell myself to do it though. Yeah. I have to tell myself, I don't know that it's natural to me as

01:07:18.000 it is to you, but I try to tell myself the same thing because the reason that's important is because

01:07:23.220 you don't think as clearly when you're, you know, everything's hyped up. You don't,

01:07:29.560 you can think, you can think quickly, but not clearly. Yeah. And folks, remember what I just

01:07:34.500 said, make sure you're thinking clearly, not quickly. Yeah. Now it's great if you can do both,

01:07:40.120 but most of us can't when emotions are high. In a high school situation, it's hard to do. You'll

01:07:43.840 see great athletes, the really great athletes. I always think about quarterbacks in football,

01:07:49.720 the really great ones, the game slows down for them when it gets tighter and tighter.

01:07:54.220 And for the other ones that are still really good athletes, it gets faster and faster and you make

01:07:58.760 mistakes. That's a really good analogy, actually. Okay. Let's quickly end on, well, some sad, but

01:08:06.260 just a happy reflection of a life of a hundred years in Dick Van Dyke in just a second. I'll tell

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01:09:21.020 Okay. So when you would be out of town growing up and mom would let me sleep in her bed, when you

01:09:28.200 were out of town, we would watch TV land and TV land was a bunch of retro shows and we loved the

01:09:35.640 Dick Van Dyke show. Oh man. Cause it was so funny. I loved Mary Poppins. Of course, mom made me watch

01:09:41.380 every old show out there and every old movie. I think that's where like Justin and I in particular

01:09:49.420 got our sense of humor. We watched a lot of old sitcoms, maybe some inappropriate ones like Three's

01:09:55.840 Company and Taxi. You probably should not have watched that. Probably when I was seven, maybe

01:09:59.160 shouldn't have watched that. Benefit of being the youngest, but loved Dick Van Dyke. Yes. Oh,

01:10:05.180 Dick Van Dyke. Just so funny. Well, I don't know if you ever have a chance to go online and look at

01:10:10.200 the clip of the entrance to the start of the Dick Van Dyke show on how he stumbles over a slapstick.

01:10:16.820 Oh, he is so. And Mary Tyler Moore was great as well, you know, but think about in his hundred years,

01:10:22.860 what he has witnessed. Yes. Born in 1925. And so he went through the, he went through the market crash

01:10:32.380 because he was just four years old, but his parents, he lived in a house, went through the

01:10:34.980 29 crash, which was the, one of the biggest crashes in history in the, in the financial markets,

01:10:39.700 went through World War II. He was in World War II. Okay. He served in World War II. Wow.

01:10:45.760 Saw the Korean War, Vietnam War, all of that type of stuff. Saw the jet age, the television age,

01:10:51.300 the internet. Saw Al Gore invent the internet, which is amazing that you could do that.

01:10:55.660 And, and now we see an A, I mean, just what an incredible life he has lived.

01:11:00.580 Yes. Okay. This fact blew my mind. This is, and obviously this is true as we don't even have to

01:11:07.920 fact check it, but if you will pull up this post from history calendar. So at age 100, Dick Van Dyke

01:11:14.840 was born closer to the death of Thomas Jefferson than he is to the present day, like than his birth

01:11:22.320 was to the present day. Obviously 99 years apart from the death of Thomas Jefferson. Thomas Jefferson

01:11:29.200 died in 1826. Dick Van Dyke born in 1925. So think about how crazy that is.

01:11:34.880 That doesn't even make any sense, does it?

01:11:36.780 I know. I mean, it just shows you what, how young the country is.

01:11:39.980 That's true. Yeah. Yeah. Um, that's true. Yeah. I mean, that's just so crazy to think about

01:11:45.620 everything that he has lived through and he's pretty spry. He still is very spry. I know it's

01:11:53.040 interesting. It's a, but no, he, he, you know, Mary Poppins, one of my favorite movies, uh, when, uh,

01:11:59.480 when your, uh, middle brother and I went to, uh, London when he was coming out of high school,

01:12:08.320 we went, he and I went to London cause some, somebody just had a baby. But anyway, we went

01:12:14.240 over there and the, um, we went to see this show called Chitty Chitty Bang Bang. Yeah.

01:12:21.760 And it was a play at the time. And when it first came out years and years before that,

01:12:27.920 it was a Dick Van Dyke thing and it was really good. So that's something, that's another movie

01:12:32.540 that you could have your kids watch. It's a, it's very, it's fun. If you've got things going on over

01:12:37.060 the holidays, just to get your kids, look up Chitty Chitty Bang Bang. I'm sure it's out there

01:12:41.500 on one of the streaming shows, but. And Julie Andrews, who played Mary Poppins, she's still

01:12:45.920 alive as well. She's still alive. And I think they're friends. Um, so he was asking in an

01:12:50.520 interview, like, what is the secret to living this long and not only living this long, but

01:12:55.120 being this with it for this long? Here's what he said. Sat 12. I feel really good for a hundred,

01:13:01.040 you know, but I really don't, I have no pain, no discomfort. People say, what did you do

01:13:08.680 right? And I say, don't ask. I don't know. Uh, I'm rather lazy. And, uh, I think I've always

01:13:17.900 thought that anger is one thing that eats up a person's insides and hate. And I never really

01:13:26.000 was able to work up a feeling of hate. You know, the things I don't like people, I don't

01:13:32.360 like and disapprove of, but I never really was able to do a white heat kind of hate. And 0.79

01:13:39.240 my father was a person who was constantly upset by the state of things and his life and everything.

01:13:46.000 And I did take him at 74 years old. I think that is one of the chief things that kept me

01:13:52.220 going.

01:13:52.520 I think that's right. No, I think it's kind of what you were talking about earlier is that

01:13:58.080 if you get kind of get eaten up inside. Now, one of the things that allows that to not be eaten up,

01:14:04.100 I think if, if I had to guess people like his dad, that, that the situation of life or the state of

01:14:10.880 the country at the time, whatever ate him up is mainly because he didn't take any action. When we

01:14:15.900 just let things, you know, just eat up inside us and we're not taking any action about it. Like if we're

01:14:21.500 mad at politics, then get out there and do something about it. Right. But you have to,

01:14:26.660 you have to, you can, you can be disappointed in something. You cannot like something, but if you

01:14:31.560 let it eat you up inside and consume you, that's what he's talking about. He never let it consume

01:14:37.060 him. And I think that's a very, very good lesson for, for all of us. Cause I can tend to get that

01:14:42.040 way. I can tend to, you know, and you know, no need in doing that.

01:14:46.720 Yeah. That's a good point about action. It doesn't mean being apathetic and just doing nothing and

01:14:51.580 pretending that politics doesn't exist. You focus on doing the next right thing in faith with

01:14:58.520 excellence and for the glory of God. You focus on that. You're not going to change the world.

01:15:03.100 You can't change everyone's mind. That's hard for me. It really bothers me when people don't see what

01:15:08.560 is true. It really bothers me. And there's a good thing about that bothering me. That's why I do what

01:15:12.360 I do, but I have to release that to the Lord and say, okay, it does. You know what? That's not why

01:15:18.320 I'm doing that. If that person never changes their mind, I'm doing this because God called me to do it.

01:15:22.840 And you stay in that lane and that releases a lot of pressure. So it was a good lesson. Okay,

01:15:28.420 dad, thanks so much. Enjoyed it. Merry Christmas to everyone. We will be back here. Just me.

01:15:33.600 We'll be back here on Wednesday.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - December 15, 2025

Ep 1279 ｜ Charlie Kirk Trial Details, Bondi & Brown Attacks & Living to 100

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