Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1287 ｜ Why Your Aunt Hates ICE： A Spiritual Analysis of Liberal Women

00:00:00.000 What is the spiritual state of liberal women in this country? The profile of the activist Renee

00:00:07.620 Good has caused me to take a deeper look into the minds and the hearts of this demographic

00:00:15.000 who seem to be spearheading so many social justice and left-wing causes today. What is

00:00:23.240 causing all of this? How does empathy play a role in this? But first, we are going to start

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00:01:17.040 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Monday. Hope everyone had a wonderful weekend. Yes,

00:01:23.140 God's eternal plan of redemption is still as ever going off without a hitch. Nothing surprises

00:01:28.860 him. Nothing takes him aback. Nothing throws him off. He is never looking down and wondering

00:01:33.260 what is going on. He is completely sovereign over it and his victory is sure. I have been

00:01:39.100 thinking over and over again about Psalm 37 for so many reasons. I have had to be reminded

00:01:46.480 that the evildoer doesn't win. That the person who is a rejection of God and a rejection of everything

00:01:54.960 that he calls good and right and true, even when it seems like that person is succeeding,

00:01:59.360 that side is thriving. The truth is, is that Jesus wins in the end. And one day there will be

00:02:04.800 no more unfairness. There will be no more injustice. The evildoer will not have the final word, but God

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00:02:19.880 or the phrases that I just shared, because it's all from the word of God has just encouraged you so

00:02:23.900 much. And I just want you to know that it encourages me too. I don't just say it because you guys like

00:02:29.580 the reminder. It's because it ministers to my heart, just as it ministers to yours. And I have to remember

00:02:35.100 who wins or all of this gets really, really sad and depressing. That is where our joy has to come

00:02:41.180 from, where our hope comes from, where steadiness derives from is that he is in complete control and he is

00:02:47.760 better and more merciful and more faithful and more victorious than we can even understand. So

00:02:54.520 let's just start out our week with that, that God's eternal plan of redemption is always going

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00:05:57.840 again, God's eternal plan of redemption, it's not only going off without a hitch, but it also doesn't

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00:06:06.920 couple of years ago that we did this for the Amazon driver was delivering all of these boxes of

00:06:11.540 donated items that you guys donated to this pregnancy center and asked the volunteers and the people

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00:06:41.800 the amazing thing about God is that we won't see the fullness of the tapestry of people's testimonies

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00:07:07.400 generous all of you are. Okay. Today we are going to do a little bit of psychoanalyzing and just dig a

00:07:15.520 little bit deeper into not only the spiritual state of our country, but the spiritual state of

00:07:21.800 women in this country, particularly progressive women, those who have taken on social justice causes

00:07:28.740 as their religion. Why is that? What is going on? Not just psychologically, but really more

00:07:35.100 importantly, spiritually. Maybe I should have said spiritual analysis because I think that's

00:07:39.720 a more accurate depiction of what we are going to do today. And those of you who have read my book,

00:07:46.880 Toxic Empathy, which we'll talk about a little bit, you are going to recognize the format of what we are

00:07:55.040 doing when I tell you the story of Renee Good. And you as a conservative probably won't recognize the

00:08:01.920 things I'm saying, but stick with me. You'll understand why I'm telling the story this way,

00:08:07.700 why I'm trying to get you to see this particular perspective. So before we get into that, I'll just

00:08:13.980 tell you a little bit of a summary of what went on. If you missed my dad's episode over the weekend,

00:08:18.480 an anti-ICE activist identified as Renee Nicole Good was shot and killed by an ICE agent after she

00:08:25.280 allegedly, purposely, well, it's not really allegedly whether she drove her car into him on

00:08:32.060 Wednesday, but some people are saying purposely drove her car into him on Wednesday, January 7th,

00:08:37.760 leading to protests nationwide as lawmakers and officials argue over who should be held responsible

00:08:43.620 for this fatal shooting. So let me tell you the perspective of this story that your progressive

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00:10:28.380 Renee Good woke up on Wednesday, January 7th indignant. The immigrant community in Minneapolis 1.00

00:10:36.180 had been demonized for weeks. She had watched it and now ICE was involved. ICE. She had heard

00:10:42.540 stories about them kidnapping children, separating families, arresting people just because of their

00:10:48.600 skin color or the sound of their last name. She watched a video after video on TikTok of crying

00:10:54.520 mothers and their babies. And now the same thing was happening to vulnerable people who lived right

00:11:00.040 next to her. And so she had to do something about it. Her online activist friends and Facebook groups

00:11:06.180 Instagram all agreed that America today is just like 1930s Germany. They all concurred that what's 0.54

00:11:13.100 happening to immigrants and refugees now is no different than what happened to the Jews in the 1.00

00:11:17.680 Holocaust. And now is the moment, they felt, to prove that they would have been on the right side. 0.95

00:11:26.000 History repeats itself, but the failures of the cowards of the past would not be repeated in them.

00:11:32.100 They promised each other that. They promised themselves that. They would be the ones to stand

00:11:36.240 up for the weak, to be a voice for the voiceless, and resist this fascistic takeover spearheaded by

00:11:41.440 Donald Trump and his ilk. The drumbeat of tyranny beats louder and louder, but the cries of justice

00:11:48.200 won't be drowned out, not by this petty racist dictator. If evil is to be stopped, good men and women

00:11:56.020 must do something. Renee knew this. She had been involved in protests before. As a queer woman,

00:12:03.280 she felt fidelity to everyone who fell outside of the norms of the cis-hetero-white patriarchy,

00:12:09.380 and she felt obligated to lend her influence to the cause of equality. She was a mother, a wife,

00:12:15.660 a fierce defender of progress for the sake of her children and her country. And as she watched Trump

00:12:21.560 take office and doubled down on his totalitarian Christian nationalist plan to oppress immigrants

00:12:27.920 and women and LGBTQ people, her rage grew. And it grew and it grew. And her resolve to do something, 0.75

00:12:38.440 anything to stop his takeover, it just overcame her. And so on Wednesday, January 7th, Renee and her

00:12:46.880 partner drove to Minneapolis. And the plan was to peacefully use their vehicles and their voices to

00:12:52.800 make it more difficult for ICE to kidnap these migrants. That's what the heroes would have done

00:12:57.840 in Nazi Germany. That's what she had to do now. And at the end of the day, Renee had done her part.

00:13:05.400 She had peacefully protested. She had stood up for the most vulnerable and she was ready to drive home.

00:13:10.760 But before she could go, two ICE officers got out of their car and they started barking orders. 0.67

00:13:18.980 She was confused. She didn't know what to do. One of them was filming her. She told the officer she

00:13:24.420 wasn't mad at him. Her wife was standing outside the car telling him to go away. She just wanted to

00:13:31.100 leave. She wasn't sure what to do. And so she panicked. She turned her wheel. She wanted to get away.

00:13:37.780 She stepped on the gas. She saw him pull out of, what is that? Surely he's not gone. Three shots to the

00:13:48.920 head. The car still in drive careened into a telephone pole. Photos of the inside of her car,

00:13:57.700 a Honda Pilot show a glove compartment full of stuffed animals. No doubt the prized possessions of her son,

00:14:03.940 who's just in kindergarten. He came home from school that day to learn that he'll never see,

00:14:08.740 never hear, never hug his mother again. This is law enforcement in this country. This is where we are

00:14:16.380 with immigration enforcement. This is Trump's America. How could any Christian, any person 0.97

00:14:22.020 be okay with this? This is the perspective that your liberal mother-in-law, 0.99

00:14:28.720 your liberal uncle and aunt and friend are all reading right now. This is the only angle they've

00:14:36.740 read or heard or considered. If you believed everything that I just said to be absolutely

00:14:43.500 true, you would be outraged as well. You'd be incensed. Now you might be thinking as you hear my

00:14:50.440 monologue, well, this isn't all true. That's not inaccurate and you're correct, but that's not the

00:14:57.580 point. By those who are telling the story in this way, it's not really about facts. It is about a

00:15:03.800 larger narrative and what could ever serve the larger narrative of proving that Trump is bad,

00:15:09.760 that deportations are wrong, and that ICE is like the Gestapo.

00:15:16.600 To ICE? Get the f*** out of Minneapolis. 0.95

00:15:20.320 Donald Trump's modern-day Gestapo is scooping folks up off the streets.

00:15:25.040 These headlines are designed to trigger your empathy and to trigger it in only one direction

00:15:32.300 and one direction only. In Renee's, this hyper-empathetic response has the power 0.99

00:15:37.720 to paralyze your thinking so that you're only drawing one conclusion. You feel so deeply,

00:15:43.600 you put yourself in her shoes, that you can only assume one reality, that she is the victim,

00:15:52.300 that she is a martyr, and that ICE and Trump are the enemy. And then you even draw bigger conclusions

00:16:00.080 that all deportations and all enforcement of border law and immigration law are wrong or some

00:16:06.220 sort of injustice and are causing chaos. Now let me tell you a different perspective,

00:16:13.520 a perspective that we're not hearing, but done in the same style.

00:16:18.520 Jonathan Ross woke up on Wednesday, January 7th, exhausted. It'd be hard enough to go after the

00:16:26.500 bad guys, and there are a lot of bad guys, but it's a lot harder when you're fighting against

00:16:30.700 the local and the state governments who condemn you and demonize you and the hordes of protesters

00:16:36.400 that sometimes get violent. He knew that from experience. In June, he was dragged by a car at full

00:16:43.660 speed while trying to detain an illegal immigrant from Guatemala. Some of his wounds still weren't

00:16:48.540 healed. A husband and a father, he knew his job was dangerous, but he didn't want to die. He wanted

00:16:55.140 to go home to them. But he kept showing up, doing what he had to do to keep his community safe.

00:17:02.040 If these protesters only knew some of the people he was trying to get out of here, it wasn't just about

00:17:07.960 illegal immigrants from Somalia who had made the news because so many of them have been robbing the 1.00

00:17:14.140 taxpayer blind for years by setting up these fake government-run daycares. These people that he was

00:17:20.980 detaining, that he was trying to get, were from all over, and they were all living in Minnesota thanks

00:17:25.960 to the sanctuary state policies that Walls and other politicians have put in place. One guy was named

00:17:31.820 Tu Vong. He was from Laos. He was convicted of sodomizing a little girl and buying a child 0.99

00:17:38.520 prostitute. He was one of the guys he was trying to arrest and get out of here. This guy had been

00:17:43.560 avoiding deportation since 2006. Another child rapist from Laos, Chong Vu, had been avoiding 0.71

00:17:50.320 deportation since 2004. Three more child rapists, two from Laos, one from Mexico, nine convicted murders,

00:17:58.500 one more convicted of manslaughter, multiple DUIs, all here illegally. Children had been violated,

00:18:06.200 people had been murdered, and no justice had been achieved for these victims. These were the people

00:18:11.980 he was trying to arrest and send home, but the media, the politicians, and protesters were making

00:18:17.440 that job very difficult. The protesters who used their cars were some of the most dangerous. They set

00:18:24.240 themselves up in a way that makes it hard, if not impossible, for ICE to go where they need to go

00:18:30.380 to get these criminals. Some protesters realize it, some may not, but these vehicles weigh thousands

00:18:36.540 of pounds, and even slow-moving cars can cause life-altering injuries and death. So when he found

00:18:43.240 the car leading the protest that day, he and another agent pulled up behind her and got out. At first,

00:18:49.320 they were just going to take a video of her car to get her information. Another woman, 1.00

00:18:55.040 who seemed to know the driver, was taunting them, and the situation seemed to be escalating very

00:19:00.460 quickly, and it was hard to tell how aggressive these women were. And so Jonathan and the other 0.99

00:19:05.480 agent ordered the driver to get out of the car, but she refused. She didn't listen. Jonathan was still

00:19:11.540 in front of her SUV when the woman outside the car yelled, drive, drive. 1.00

00:19:15.900 I said, go get yourself some lunch, big boy. Get out of the car. Get out of the car. Get out of the car.

00:19:24.620 The woman yelling, drive, drive, after this happened, said, it's my fault, Sot6.

00:19:32.680 So the driver had slammed on the gas, and it aimed straight at him, hit him. Where was she going?

00:19:53.620 What was she going to do? Her face looked resolved. He couldn't risk his life or the lives of anyone

00:19:59.120 else around them. So he took out his gun and shot her through the windshield.

00:20:06.840 That's the perspective that your liberal friends are not seeing. That's what your family

00:20:12.040 is not seeing. Now, that's not to say that we should dictate our opinions and perspectives on this

00:20:22.040 by how we feel for each person involved. In fact, that is the exact opposite approach.

00:20:28.860 What I'm trying to point out is that there is a different side to the story. And really,

00:20:33.780 the question that we should ask ourselves is not whether we feel worse for Jonathan or worse for

00:20:39.000 Renee. It's not dictated by how deep our empathy runs for one side or the other. The question is,

00:20:47.320 what is the truth? What are the facts? What really happened? And what is true, not only factually

00:20:54.580 and logically, but what is true in general about this issue biblically? So we'll get into that in

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00:21:51.920 I know you went over some of this with my dad, but I just want to go through the facts quickly

00:21:56.860 in case you missed that. So DHS posted a video on X taken from a citizen in a nearby home that showed

00:22:03.840 ICE agents and multiple vehicles on the street where Good was parked and a maroon Honda Pilot in the

00:22:09.380 middle of the street. Throughout the three and a half minute video, we obviously won't play the

00:22:13.880 whole thing. You can hear whistles were being blown and a car horn honking repeatedly. And this is not

00:22:20.160 what the video I'm about to play is not to say, see, she deserved to be shot. That's not the case

00:22:24.960 that we're making with this. It's just to show the part that she was playing in this protest and the

00:22:30.040 context of this. Some people are saying that she was just on her way home and that she had nothing to

00:22:35.780 do with the demonstrations going on that day. That's just not true. She was a leading part of

00:22:40.280 this. Stop four. So that is just part of what is going on here. They're trying to make it as

00:22:55.860 difficult as possible for ICE to make the arrest that they need to make to do their job. She had

00:23:01.280 been a part of these demonstrations in the past. Of course, Jonathan Ross claims that he was acting

00:23:08.860 in self-defense in that moment. Other politicians, of course, have said, no, that's not the case.

00:23:16.160 Homeland Security posted the media continues to fail the American people and they're reporting on the

00:23:21.480 events in Minneapolis. New evidence shows that the anti-ICE agitator was stalking and impeding a law

00:23:26.700 enforcement operation over the course of the morning. The evidence speaks for itself. The

00:23:33.240 legacy media has lost the trust of the American people. So obviously, we don't know everything

00:23:38.620 that was happening before this, but there was a reason why these law enforcement officers targeted

00:23:44.300 this particular vehicle, decided to get out to take a video of this vehicle and to tell this woman to

00:23:50.820 get out of the car. They obviously thought she was some kind of danger and that she had been aggressive

00:23:56.140 or she played a large part in impeding justice. According to the New York Post, Renee Good was 0.99

00:24:01.520 part of a group of activists who worked to document and resist the federal immigration crackdown in

00:24:07.400 Minnesota. Renee Good moved to Minneapolis last year where she connected with these local anti-ICE

00:24:13.140 activists through her six-year-old son's progressive charter school. It's just so sad.

00:24:18.000 Good and her family lived in a mostly working class, activist-oriented neighborhood in South

00:24:23.720 Minneapolis. It's known for this. She, according to her social media activity, was involved with

00:24:36.780 something called Ice Watch. It's a network of activists focusing on interfering and disrupting

00:24:42.380 ICE raids in the sanctuary city of Minneapolis. She was trained against these ICE agents, what to do,

00:24:48.800 what not to do. It's a very thorough training. You can see the Instagram page right here of Minnesota,

00:24:56.120 Ice Watch. Also, her partner is a confirmed follower of this Instagram page. And so she was obviously an

00:25:07.400 agitator, an activist. She had been involved in these protests in the past. Her social media posts show

00:25:13.980 this. And again, I am giving you context. I am not trying to, this doesn't have anything to do with

00:25:21.120 the justification of that shooting. The justification of that shooting, according to Jonathan and according

00:25:27.260 to that side, is that he was being hit by his vehicle and he did what he had to do to stop that

00:25:34.380 threat. Not only the threat to his life, but the threat to the life of people, of the people around him,

00:25:39.780 as you saw from the videos that we played. And if you are listening to this and not just watching this,

00:25:45.040 you need to go watch this so you can actually see what I showed you. The reason that we're talking

00:25:50.860 about this information is because you are hearing a narrative that she was just an innocent mom. She

00:25:56.300 was just someone who was either on her way to work or that she was very peacefully and calmly

00:26:06.180 exercising her First Amendment rights. And I am trying to show you that there was a level of

00:26:11.620 escalation and agitation and aggression going on here that led up to this. Now, maybe from your

00:26:18.700 perspective, you still think that this was unjustified, willing to hear that argument. But from the angle of

00:26:27.440 the video we saw, it is clear that this ICE officer was hit with a moving vehicle before any shots were

00:26:36.880 fired. Now, if you have some additional information or perspective to add to that, that's fine. But this

00:26:43.400 should not be as fundamentally heated as it is. The reason that it is, is because of this fabricated

00:26:52.280 narrative of both who this woman was, what her involvement was, and the events leading up to her

00:26:59.180 being killed. Now, the biblical perspective here, one of the biblical perspectives on one of the angles

00:27:05.380 of this is that Renee Goode was an image bearer of God, is that she had just as much value as anyone

00:27:10.860 else, just as an illegal immigrant has just as much value as anyone else. She was a human being who will

00:27:16.700 live forever in eternity. This is a tragedy. I truly feel so much for her children. She apparently

00:27:23.160 had three kids. She has kind of a storied past, which I'm not really sure is relevant. And by the

00:27:27.720 way, I think some of the things that I've heard about her past and some of the things that she's

00:27:32.080 guilty of are probably just rumors. I haven't seen a lot of the things validated or verified about her

00:27:38.360 history of abuse and things. I just don't know if that's true. And again, I'm not really sure it adds to

00:27:43.180 the context. Obviously, we really, really disagreed politically. I think that what she was standing

00:27:49.160 for was wrong. I think that what she was doing was wrong and dangerous. If you try to impede law

00:27:54.960 enforcement and the carrying out of justice, which is what ICE was doing that day, then that is a

00:28:01.000 dangerous game to play. You are risking your life. All of that said, this is a tragedy. Her life did

00:28:08.300 matter. I really am sad for her children. I'm sad that she has a kindergarten aged little boy who will

00:28:14.860 never see his mother again. And I'm praying for him. And I'm praying that Jesus would meet him and

00:28:20.600 comfort him and that somehow God would be glorified in this and that the gospel would go out and that

00:28:25.320 there would be comfort and peace in all of this. It is a very sad situation. And we need to pray for

00:28:30.280 her family. At the same time, I am not going to demonize ICE. I am not going to blame Trump. I am

00:28:38.380 not going to say, well, this is the problem with our immigration enforcement or this is the problem

00:28:42.620 with immigration policy. I'm not going to say, well, maybe we should just let up on deporting some of the 1.00

00:28:48.400 worst people in the world who have no right to be here. I'm just not, I'm not going to do that.

00:28:55.640 And that is because of the perspective that I have on immigration and justice that we will get to in

00:29:02.380 just a little bit. But first I want to look into the profile of someone like this and look more

00:29:09.100 deeply into kind of what inspires someone to take on these social justice causes, to leave behind their

00:29:16.700 children and to risk their family safety and to risk their own safety and their own life on behalf of

00:29:25.460 illegal aliens who have been convicted of things like child rape and murder. So let's look a little 0.98

00:29:33.040 bit more into who she is. This is someone who describes herself or who did describe herself as

00:29:39.940 a Christian, as a mother. She said, or her partner said that she was a Christian who knew that all

00:29:47.660 religions teach the same essential truth, that we are here to love each other, to care for each other

00:29:52.060 and to keep each other safe and whole. She used to go on mission trips. And so she truly believed

00:30:00.020 that this was something that what she was doing was a calling that she had in her life. Good's family

00:30:06.440 actually insisted that she wasn't really an activist, despite members of her own social justice 0.91

00:30:11.600 community saying otherwise. Her ex-husband told the Associated Press that the day the shooting occurred,

00:30:17.060 Good was driving home after dropping off her son to school when she encountered ICE agents. That is a

00:30:23.840 narrative that we are hearing. And that seems to be not true, that it doesn't seem to be that she just

00:30:30.000 ran into these people that she didn't really know what she was doing. Some people said that she's not a

00:30:36.480 part of these kind of activist groups. However, if you look at her social media, she's got pride flags,

00:30:41.380 she's got pronouns. She has pictures on her Venmo of Black Lives, Black Lives Matter protests and

00:30:50.500 being involved on some level there. And this profile of this woman who has taken on these social justice

00:30:57.940 causes, and in particular, these communities that she feels are marginalized, is very typical of many

00:31:05.020 liberal white women. In fact, this kind of like liberal white woman archetype, if you want to call 1.00

00:31:14.820 it that, or this profile of this liberal white woman has kind of taken on a life of its own, where you

00:31:22.180 have this idea that all white women are these kind of like blue-haired liberal activists that are very 1.00

00:31:29.900 aggressive. And there's something to that, and there's also something mythical about that. But there

00:31:35.060 is something going on with the white woman in America. The white woman in America who calls herself 1.00

00:31:41.600 a Christian and has put herself on the front lines of these social justice battles. Why is she doing

00:31:49.900 what she is doing? Who is activating her to do these things? What is motivating her? I think it's worth

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00:33:28.640 So are American women in a spiritual crisis? That's the bigger question that I want to get into today.

00:33:36.260 Renee Goode kind of reinforces a stereotype. Stereotype is actually the better word that I was looking for 0.99

00:33:41.800 earlier instead of archetype. She's kind of the stereotype of this liberal white woman. Is this 1.00

00:33:48.140 characterization of older white women as unstable social justice activists accurate? I would argue 0.98

00:33:56.900 yes and no. So if we look at like the political demographics of the white woman in America, 36% of

00:34:06.980 white women identify as conservative. 33% is moderate. So I just want to point out there that this

00:34:12.980 stereotype that we hear, like I'm tired of like white women in general being thrown under the bus. I even 1.00

00:34:17.760 see conservatives all the time. Whenever there's like a white woman protester, they always have to 1.00

00:34:22.900 point out her race. Like why are we on the right okay with demonizing people because of their skin color 1.00

00:34:29.240 when it comes to white people or white liberal women? It just doesn't make sense. Most white 1.00

00:34:35.860 women don't actually identify as liberal. 33% is moderate. 28% as liberal. That is still a large 0.70

00:34:43.600 percentage, but that is a lower percentage of progressives in our demographic than any other

00:34:51.200 demographic of women in America. So white women are actually the most conservative female demographic 1.00

00:34:56.880 in America. However, this 28% of liberal white women are extremely intense. 46% of white women voted for 1.00

00:35:06.900 Harris in 2024. 53 voted for Trump. Okay, so we still have a slight majority over there. But you have

00:35:15.800 this almost half of white women who are very intensely progressive. I think it has to do with this idea of

00:35:23.300 misplaced mothering. And this is not just for white women. This is just for women in general. The idea

00:35:28.700 that instead of pouring your heart and your energy and your natural nurturing and protective nature

00:35:34.640 into children, whether they're your own biological children or adopted children or children that you're

00:35:39.980 caring for or serving or mentoring, you pour your mothering instincts, which are born in you and never

00:35:47.960 really go away into pets or plants or politics or your profession. And this kind of disordered channeling

00:35:56.980 of the nurturing, beautifying, cultivating, mothering instinct creates a kind of inner discord and

00:36:05.240 disorder that lends itself to bitterness and can lend itself to instability and lends itself to outsized

00:36:13.820 passion when it comes to social justice projects and social justice causes because the illegal alien 1.00

00:36:21.820 becomes your child or the gangbanger becomes your child or this man who thinks that he's caught in

00:36:29.680 the wrong body and just wants to go into the girl's locker room becomes your child. These causes become 0.94

00:36:35.000 your children. The perceived victims in these causes become your children. And this is all triggered by what

00:36:41.180 I call toxic empathy. If you have the perspective that I told you in the beginning, if you read the

00:36:47.820 headlines that I showed you in the beginning, if you watch the videos that I showed you in the beginning,

00:36:52.600 women who are already natural nurturers, natural mothers in some way or another, and naturally empathetic

00:36:59.920 are going to be radicalized. They're going to be radicalized. And that is why some of the cruelest

00:37:06.300 people that you talk to are the most empathetic social justice activists. In addition to reading

00:37:14.020 toxic empathy, everyone should read the book against empathy. This is by a secular Yale psychologist 0.93

00:37:18.980 named Paul Bloom, who talks about this phenomenon that the more highly empathetic someone is,

00:37:25.820 the more indifferent they can be to other people's suffering. The more highly empathetic someone is

00:37:32.800 actually the meaner they can be to those that they don't perceive as the victim. If you perceive this one

00:37:39.840 person is the oppressed and all of your empathy, you're putting all of your feelings in how they feel.

00:37:45.080 Everyone that you see as oppressing that victim becomes your enemy and you become absolutely ruthless

00:37:51.220 to them. I saw this one post by some progressive on X, and I'm just calling it out of memory so we don't have

00:37:57.540 a picture of it. But she was saying, I just want people to be more empathetic and to have

00:38:02.640 more common sense. And people went back in her history and she had these awful posts about Charlie

00:38:09.100 Kirk and these awful posts about Erica Kirk, just laughing at them. One of the posts was two months

00:38:14.860 after Charlie died. It's been two months since Charlie Kirk has said anything bigoted. This is someone

00:38:19.660 who sees herself as highly empathetic, but because all of her empathy is channeled in one direction,

00:38:26.860 and this is kind of the nature of empathy. Because she feels like she is like a mother and protector

00:38:33.180 of all of these supposedly marginalized groups. Everyone that she sees as the oppressor becomes

00:38:38.060 the enemy and she is cruel towards them and she will fight them tooth and nail. This is what happens to 1.00

00:38:43.800 a lot of women. And I thought it was interesting, this biologist, Brett Weinstein, who we've had on our

00:38:49.640 show, we had him on our show several years ago during COVID, I believe. He was on Joe Rogan talking

00:38:55.000 about. He doesn't call it misplaced smothering. I think that's like, that should be the title.

00:38:59.460 We've been talking about it on our show for a long time. But a couple months ago on the Joe Rogan

00:39:03.260 episode, he said this. What people do is they take the energy, you know, the seriousness of purpose

00:39:10.980 that would ordinarily be directed into managing a marriage and the role of being a parent, and they

00:39:20.780 put it into something. And Heather has pointed out that this is especially powerful with young women

00:39:28.620 who seem to take on causes, you know, and they defend them like a mother defending her child.

00:39:36.540 That's a very powerful force.

00:39:38.240 Yes. Now, he would say that that has to do with evolution and, you know, evolving in the wrong

00:39:46.280 direction. And I, of course, would say it is disorder and it is denying your God-given mothering

00:39:53.740 instinct and perverting it and using it in the wrong direction. Again, I'm not saying that everyone

00:40:01.640 has to be a biological mom. God may have called you not to be married, but I think that your mothering 1.00

00:40:07.960 instincts, your nurturing instincts, whatever they are, still need to be channeled in some way towards

00:40:13.480 children, whether it's mentorship or serving in your church or helping those who need help or teaching

00:40:20.660 or educating, whatever it is. Those mothering instincts can't be primarily channeled towards

00:40:26.300 your political cause or your profession or your pet or your plant, or else there is this inner

00:40:31.300 dissatisfaction and discord that, again, I think manifests itself in resentment. Now, I do think it's

00:40:37.480 relevant to talk about the percentage of antidepressants. They're called antidepressants.

00:40:41.660 It's a misnomer. If you listen to my show, you know that. SSRIs are extremely common among this 1.00

00:40:48.800 demographic. 22% of white women specifically reported using antidepressant medication according

00:40:54.360 to National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey. This is 2015, 2018. So I think it's a lot more

00:41:00.180 now. In fact, I've seen like it's upwards of 30%. There's another graph that I saw,

00:41:05.040 and this is higher. This is like the most prevalent demographic or this demographic most

00:41:12.660 prevalently uses SSRIs. And I just do wonder if it has to do not only with this misplaced

00:41:22.280 mothering that I see go on, especially in this group of women, but also just the content that

00:41:28.720 targets this group of women, especially the liberal white woman like Brene Brown, like Rachel 1.00

00:41:34.040 Hollis, like Glennon Doyle, like all of these people that tell you to put yourself first and

00:41:40.740 to love yourself and to cut out anything that doesn't serve you or fit your vision of what

00:41:47.220 a beautiful, pleasurable life should be. This God of self always leads to misery and it causes

00:41:53.160 all kinds of disorder, causes all kinds of discord. And I would also say depression, like the search

00:41:59.380 for fulfillment is going in all of the wrong places. The Foundation for Individual Rights and

00:42:07.580 Expression did a survey that surveyed undergraduate students aged 18 to 22 showed a clear gender

00:42:14.780 difference in political leanings. 55% of these females identified as liberal, 15% of conservative,

00:42:21.240 males were 40% liberal, and 25% of conservative. Certainly you're going to see that in colleges.

00:42:29.340 There was another study in December 2025 that revealed that women were less likely than men to

00:42:34.600 approve of Trump's job performance on immigration. They're more likely to believe than men that ICE

00:42:40.520 officers should not be able to hide their identities. In 2018, an Axios report said that women are among

00:42:49.020 those leading the charge and efforts to reunite immigrant children with their families in response

00:42:54.860 to the zero tolerance immigration policy and family separation. And it is all because these women are 1.00

00:43:03.180 led by their empathy and led by their instinct to mother. And I just want to read you, I just want to

00:43:10.820 read you a few passages from my book, Toxic Empathy, that just remind us of the other side of this issue,

00:43:19.020 and why empathy is not a good guide. Empathy blinds you to both reality and morality. Empathy makes you

00:43:25.520 focus on only one person on the side of the moral equation. It makes you forget about the rights and the

00:43:31.580 needs and the privacy and the fairness for the person on the other side of the moral equation. Okay, so I

00:43:41.060 really encourage you to read, if you read no other chapter, I really encourage you to read the immigration

00:43:45.980 chapter from Toxic Empathy. It was my favorite to write. And it was also, it was very difficult to

00:43:52.600 write because the statistics are all so incredibly heartbreaking what illegal immigration does to the 1.00

00:44:00.040 safety and the security of our country, and how children have been affected by this. Let me just read

00:44:08.000 you these stats. In fiscal year 2023, Border Patrol recorded 1,254 illegal immigrants convicted of

00:44:14.920 assault, battery, or domestic violence. 2,493 convicted for driving under the influence. 2,055 for

00:44:22.240 illegal drug possession and trafficking. That's just those arrested, tried, and convicted. In fiscal year

00:44:27.420 2021, Border Patrol made nearly 1.7 million apprehensions of illegal immigrants. There was this story that I

00:44:35.940 told of a Border Patrol agent finding an infant, what looked like a newborn and a toddler just

00:44:41.360 stranded in the desert by these drug traffickers and these human traffickers. Human trafficking and

00:44:46.380 drug trafficking is enabled and exacerbated by open borders. If you care about those children,

00:44:53.420 if you care about the truly vulnerable, then you will want to shut down our borders and you will want

00:44:58.820 to enforce deportation, the very thing that ICE was trying to do in Minneapolis that day. And I just want

00:45:04.900 to give you also the logical perspective on this as well as the biblical perspective before I move into

00:45:10.720 the next thing. So this is what I write in this book. Every nation has a right to sovereignty. Sovereignty

00:45:17.060 is legitimacy. A nation's legitimacy is necessary to enact and enforce laws which represent the rights of

00:45:22.480 a country's citizenry. If a country has no borders, it has no sovereignty. If it has no sovereignty, it has no

00:45:27.720 legitimacy. If a country has no legitimacy, it has no authority to create laws. If it has no laws, chaos ensues,

00:45:33.720 rights are lost and citizenship means nothing. A country without any meaningful citizenship isn't

00:45:39.540 a country at all. Every sovereign nation must have the right to enforce immigration policy that

00:45:44.800 protects its citizens and their rights. It's not only our right to do so, it is also our responsibility.

00:45:51.420 Remember Romans 13, that the government was instituted by God to reward those who do good and to punish

00:45:57.840 those who do evil. Those who think that it is immoral or it is unjust to deport people who are here

00:46:06.920 illegally have no problem locking their own doors, having their own walls, deadbolting their own 0.98

00:46:15.320 fences. And the truth is, nations are like families. The government is supposed to put the interest in the

00:46:20.700 well-being and the safety of our people first. Just because you lock your door and you don't let any 0.95

00:46:25.900 stranger come into your home doesn't mean that you hate your neighbors. It doesn't make you bigoted.

00:46:30.520 It means that you love your children. If you allowed people that you don't know, that you haven't vetted

00:46:35.820 into your home to sleep in your kid's bed and to eat your kid's food, you wouldn't be a good neighbor.

00:46:41.560 You would be a bad parent. Likewise, our government would be bad if they were not sending ICE into these

00:46:48.640 cities to deport illegal aliens who are not only here illegally. That would be enough to deport someone,

00:46:54.840 by the way, every government has that right and responsibility to maintain that sovereignty that

00:47:00.460 we just talked about, but also to deport the worst people in the world. We're talking about people

00:47:06.640 who raped a child. And you want to impede that justice? That is the God-given and righteous

00:47:14.700 responsibility of any government. And Christians should be for that because we serve a God of peace,

00:47:21.100 not a God of disorder. We understand that disorder and chaos are curses for a nation and that God is

00:47:26.920 a God of order who places in a garden, not a jungle. From the very beginning, we see that orderliness is

00:47:33.480 a gift and a blessing for image bearers of God and for nations. That's why he created laws. That's why he

00:47:40.480 created borders. That's why he created nations. That's why he created governments. And that's why

00:47:45.860 the Tower of Babel and what befell those people when they were trying to be like God and build a tower 0.97

00:47:51.640 up to God of chaos and not being able to understand each other and speaking in all different languages, 0.68

00:47:57.160 that was a curse. What happened after the Tower of Babel, having all different people speak in all 1.00

00:48:02.360 different languages and not being able to understand each other was a curse. It was a curse then and it's 0.83

00:48:07.420 a curse. Now, it's disorder. It's chaos. Tough immigration policy is good. It would have been 1.00

00:48:15.980 good for Lake and Riley. It would have been good for Kate Steinle. It would have been good for those

00:48:20.720 kids who were trafficked by coyotes through the desert. It would have been good for all of those

00:48:27.060 children who were raped or assaulted or kidnapped or harmed. The people who were killed, the people who

00:48:34.960 have died because an illegal alien was driving under the influence. If we had tough immigration policy,

00:48:41.660 those people would be alive. Because remember, the difference between a crime committed by an

00:48:45.500 illegal alien and a crime committed by a citizen is that the crime committed by an illegal alien was 0.60

00:48:50.420 completely preventable. So Christian, you have to understand that as image bearers of God, as followers

00:49:00.320 of Jesus Christ, who follow a God of order, that we are to be agents of order. That doesn't mean that

00:49:06.660 we are apologists for all law enforcement. That doesn't mean that we say, hey, treat people with

00:49:11.860 as little dignity as possible. That doesn't even mean that we are trying to defend every action that

00:49:19.100 ICE does. It just means that we don't use a tragic situation like this to try to delegitimize

00:49:26.320 the very good, righteous, and yes, compassionate efforts to enforce our immigration law. We should

00:49:31.860 be supporting ICE. We should not be using this opportunity to demonize them. And I also just

00:49:39.020 want to remind you that those who claim to be the most empathetic and to care the most about social

00:49:44.720 justice issues, that they are very disproportionate in their outrage, that they allow the media to dictate

00:49:51.280 their outrage, and you'll never see them talk about things that don't actually fit the social

00:49:55.340 justice narrative. They'll talk about the tragedy of deportations when Trump does them,

00:50:01.260 but not when Obama did them. He did more than any other president. Not when Biden did them. ICE

00:50:07.140 existed and functioned under Democratic presidents too, and you didn't see these kinds of protests,

00:50:12.560 these kinds of outrage, or this kind of outrage from your favorite social justice pastor on Instagram.

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00:51:35.740 Okay. So my audience knows of this person, but you might not know of this person if you haven't

00:51:47.620 listened for very long. I want to remind you of the last person, the last person who was shot by a cop

00:51:54.580 in Minneapolis. It wasn't George Floyd. He wasn't shot. He was leaned on and we don't have to re-litigate

00:52:02.760 that story. But you remember what happened after George Floyd, all of the outrage throughout the

00:52:09.240 country, the businesses that were burned down, the innocent people that were murdered by rioters.

00:52:15.020 I mean, that's the definition of injustice, punishing someone for something that they did not

00:52:22.120 do, punishing an innocent party. That's what happened after George Floyd. And you had even

00:52:26.840 professing Christians saying, riots are the voice of the unheard. We have to understand this 0.90

00:52:30.000 perspective. No, I didn't understand that perspective. And I will never justify those

00:52:38.680 riots. And I will never say riots are the voice of the unheard. And I will never perpetuate this

00:52:43.700 false narrative that the police are unfairly targeting Black people or queer people. We just

00:52:49.880 don't see that hold up. And I'm not going to perpetuate this narrative that America has been

00:52:55.180 systemically racist and unjust. I'm never going to push that. Even if it's more empathetic,

00:53:01.100 even if it's the polite thing to do, I'm not just going to post the black square and repeat the BLM 0.67

00:53:06.000 talking points because it's what everyone in and outside the church is doing. I am going to ask,

00:53:11.020 but what is actually just? And has something like this happened before? And what was the response then?

00:53:16.640 Because that is how we know if we are being truly impartial.

00:53:20.140 There was a woman in 2017 by the name of Justine Damon. She was an Australian-American

00:53:26.700 yoga teacher. She called the police in 2017 because she heard some strange noises in the

00:53:36.040 alley behind her house. She thought someone was maybe being hurt. So she called 911 and an officer

00:53:44.720 showed up outside of her home. His name was Mohamed Noor. And he was an immigrant from Somalia.

00:53:52.300 And when Officer Noor showed up, she looked outside her window and she went outside to approach the squad

00:53:59.020 car and to tell Officer Mohamed Noor what she had heard. And there was another officer there. His name

00:54:05.940 was Matthew Harity. And he said that Damon was talking to the officers, that she was engaged in a

00:54:14.560 conversation, trying to tell them what was going on. And that Mohamed Noor, for reasons we still don't

00:54:20.320 understand, who was seated in the passenger seat of the police car, shot through the driver's open

00:54:27.160 window at Justine Damon, shot her in the chest, and she died immediately. He was sentenced to only 12 years

00:54:37.960 in prison, 12 years in prison, and was convicted of third degree murder and manslaughter, the Somali

00:54:45.620 American officer who shot this white woman, Justine Damon. Now, you might not have ever heard that story

00:54:52.740 because there were no riots. There were no protests, nothing burned down. There was no shouts and

00:55:01.680 insistence upon saying her name or rest in power. Your favorite social justice activist,

00:55:10.400 your racially conscious pastor didn't post anything about her. And in fact, in 2021, the Minnesota Supreme

00:55:18.000 Court overturned Noor's murder conviction due to insufficient evidence, sending the case back to

00:55:24.640 the district court where he would be sentenced instead for the manslaughter conviction. When on trial in

00:55:29.740 2019, Noor testified that the loud noise made him fear for his and Herity's lives, leading him to fire

00:55:36.760 through the window. So he was spooked. He wasn't approached with a vehicle. This woman wasn't armed. She

00:55:45.780 came outside in her pajamas. An attorney, Caitlin Rose Fisher, who worked on Noor's appeal, said that he

00:55:53.880 really believed that he was saving his partner's life that night. And then instead, he caused the loss

00:55:59.520 of a life sitting in the passenger seat, shot through the window, shot her in the chest. He only served

00:56:06.180 three years in prison. And then Muhammad Noor was released. Now, I want you to ask yourself if this

00:56:13.660 had been an ICE agent who killed a liberal woman, or if this had been a white police officer who killed a

00:56:20.420 black man, would you know his name? Minneapolis would have burned. All of your favorite Christian 1.00

00:56:29.960 podcasters would have had a monologue on it. BLM would have raised a lot of money. But you don't

00:56:37.100 know her name. And the only reason you don't know her name, the only reason there weren't protesters,

00:56:43.000 the only reason there weren't demonstrations for her is because she's white. And because the police 1.00

00:56:49.960 officer was Somalian, it doesn't fit the narrative. So I'm sorry, like if I don't believe your sincerity

00:56:56.560 when you're posting about this, like if you don't have anything to say about the slaughter of babies

00:57:03.400 inside the womb every day, like if you don't have anything to say about Lake and Riley or Kate Steinle

00:57:11.060 or the children who have been affected by preventable illegal immigration, like if you don't have

00:57:18.140 anything to say about things like that, then I just question how much you really care about justice.

00:57:24.460 I think that you're trendy. I do think that. Like I think that you care when it's trendy to care.

00:57:30.680 And I think most of the time you're not paying attention. Your life is kind of like la-di-da. 0.99

00:57:35.580 And then when enough people bring it to your attention, you pretend like you've known all

00:57:41.180 along what's going on and that you're just raising awareness because this is just close to your heart.

00:57:47.460 Okay, let's see a post about Justine Damon. Raise awareness for her. Or is your outrage really

00:57:54.100 just dictated by the amount of melanin that someone has? If that's the case, then you don't care about

00:58:00.000 justice the way that God defines justice. God's justice is impartial and all of us are imperfect.

00:58:06.440 He is the only perfect lawgiver. So like we certainly should be praying all of us for his grace and his

00:58:13.460 guidance. We also can see this just disparate reaction. Like when you look at GoFundMe,

00:58:20.020 there's a GoFundMe for Irina Zarutska. Remember her. She was the Ukrainian refugee who was in Charlotte

00:58:28.780 and she was riding on public transit after her shift ended and she was murdered. She was randomly

00:58:36.100 stabbed in the neck by this guy who had a really long rap sheet. But you didn't see riots and burning

00:58:44.080 down for her, even though it was, you know, it was a black man who killed a white woman. It didn't fit that

00:58:49.240 narrative. But then you have this woman who tried to, I believe, run over this ICE agent with her vehicle.

00:58:58.720 $1.5 million has been raised for her. That's pretty stunning. You also have people at the Golden Globes

00:59:08.880 like Ariana Grande and Mark Ruffalo. Um, they're wearing their little pins. Um, you've got Ariana Grande

00:59:20.960 wearing a pin that says stop ICE. And this person on X points out the irony here that the Golden Globes

00:59:30.520 had a border, like it had a hedge and it's got dogs and it's got guards. It's got armed security.

00:59:39.540 officers. Like if I tried to go in there and cause chaos, like I might've, I mean, someone would

00:59:46.180 have been shot for doing that. Possibly they at least would have been tackled. What do you think

00:59:52.560 Ariana Grande's house looks like? Do you think her gates are open? Do you think that she has a lock

00:59:59.380 on her door? Do you think that she has bodyguards? No, it's just that these people believe that they

01:00:03.940 deserve security and that normal Americans who can't afford to live in gated mansion communities

01:00:11.280 deserve to, deserve to bear the brunt of it. And that innocent moms and dads in Minnesota deserve

01:00:19.840 to be stolen from by Somalian migrants. That's what they believe. They don't live like us. They don't 1.00

01:00:29.240 have to bear the risk as we do. They can just score the points of being superficially or seemingly

01:00:36.400 virtuous. That is what a virtue signal is. Okay. There are a couple of stories that you might not

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01:01:43.680 I just want to shine light on this because this happens, I don't know, maybe 100 times more. I

01:01:55.600 don't know the exact number, but 100 times more than what we saw with Renee Good. I'm not saying

01:01:59.980 you can't care about that and be sad that a life was lost. But again, like if we're going to talk

01:02:04.640 about the issues that are affecting innocent Americans every single day, it's things like this.

01:02:09.920 This poor woman by the name of Caitlin Stupp was taking a bus to work in Houston just the other 1.00

01:02:18.820 day, 25 years old, when two rival gang members shot at each other. They saw each other. They

01:02:24.160 tried to kill each other. And instead, they shot Caitlin. And she was murdered by their gunfire.

01:02:33.180 Both suspects possessed their firearms illegally because, by the way, like repealing the Second

01:02:39.140 Amendment or getting rid of gun rights is not going to stop criminals from getting guns.

01:02:44.980 One suspect was out on reduced bond for robbery with a deadly weapon, while the other was out

01:02:49.880 on probation for attempting to commit aggravated robbery with a deadly weapon. This is where empathy

01:02:55.360 politics get us. This is where social justice gets us. Because these two guys, Patrick and Brayden,

01:03:03.200 who killed this woman, one of them is smiling in his mugshot. They should have been in prison probably

01:03:08.500 for the rest of their lives. Long rap sheets, history of violence. But because of DEI initiatives and

01:03:17.300 racial quotas and activist judges and activist DAs who think there are too many people of one race

01:03:25.940 behind bars, well, they're going to reduce the sentences. They're going to make sure that the

01:03:30.280 punishment is light. Because they want to be able to say that they're not putting Black people in prison.

01:03:35.920 They want to act like they are committing to the way or the purpose of equity. And so these people get

01:03:43.920 out and they kill innocent women like this. I saw another horrible story, a man named Harold Harper

01:03:50.580 in Florida. He was gardening in his nice neighborhood. And then a random guy, of course, again, with a long

01:03:58.440 rap sheet, he comes behind him. Total stranger with a pistol. This is just the other day. Shoots him in the back of

01:04:03.920 the head and murders him. And this kind of stuff has been happening since Cain. I'm not saying that all

01:04:09.900 of it is preventable by policy, but a lot of it is. Like that is the lawlessness, the chaos, the injustice

01:04:19.600 that is hurting innocent Americans every day because our leaders do not have the political will to do

01:04:27.360 what it takes to punish wrongdoing. You guys know, I've said, and this is an unpopular position on the

01:04:34.980 left and the right, but I absolutely stand by it, that if we evenly and equally doled out the death

01:04:41.220 penalty just for murder, let's just start with murder. Quickly after due process, two to three days

01:04:49.120 after someone has been proven guilty, every single time in every single jurisdiction, the murder rate

01:04:56.300 would drop. I saw this amazing quote by Thomas Sowell the other day and it was like, say what you will

01:05:01.020 about the death penalty, but it has the lowest recidivism rate of any form of punishment. And

01:05:06.920 that's absolutely true. We don't take justice seriously in this country. Social justice, which is not real

01:05:14.120 justice, like gets all the attention. It makes you feel warm and cozy on the inside. Like you're a good

01:05:19.700 person, but people like this are still dying every day because of these social justice, progressive,

01:05:25.480 toxically empathetic politicians. And because of all of the people and all of the so-called Christians 1.00

01:05:32.700 who think that they are being good by actually deterring justice when it comes to immigration and crime.

01:05:37.760 Like I am so tired of sacrificing the best people in our country to the worst people in our country,

01:05:43.040 all because we don't have the will to do what is right. Again, what is the responsibility of the

01:05:49.760 government as instituted by God to punish the wrongdoer and to reward those who are doing good

01:05:58.000 as agents of order? We should be advocates of that. We should be advocates of partial justice.

01:06:04.120 And like these issues matter to me, not only as a Christian, but also as a mom,

01:06:07.540 because I want my kids to grow up in an America where we can say, yeah, you can go outside.

01:06:14.260 You can roam the neighborhood. It used to be, well, just don't go to that part of town or don't go

01:06:19.100 out at night. Now it's just stay inside because you never know what's lurking around the corner.

01:06:25.060 I'm not saying we should live in paranoia. We actually just shouldn't because our days are

01:06:28.460 numbered by God. But you understand the growing concern. Lawlessness creates chaos and it creates a

01:06:34.720 mistrust and we can't live in that kind of society. So I just, I hope and pray. I hope and pray that

01:06:42.280 we have leaders who are willing to do what is right for the sake of the most vulnerable.

01:06:48.120 All right. That's all we got time for today. We're going to have a different kind of episode on

01:06:53.320 Wednesday. We are going to be talking to Bryce Crawford. We don't usually do interviews on Wednesday,

01:06:59.080 but that's going to be our theological episode. It's going to be so good. If you don't know who he is,

01:07:02.940 he's an evangelist and he's awesome. And we're going to be talking about some other things.

01:07:06.160 And then on Friday, we will be interviewing Harmeet Dillon. She is the head of the civil rights

01:07:10.900 division for the United States. What she is doing there right now is very different than civil rights 1.00

01:07:15.420 leaders of the past. And so we're going to be talking about some of these issues and what she

01:07:19.440 is spearheaded in that department. Super good conversation. All right. That's all we got time for

01:07:23.160 today. We will be back here on Wednesday.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - January 12, 2026

Ep 1287 ｜ Why Your Aunt Hates ICE： A Spiritual Analysis of Liberal Women

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