Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1298 ｜ My 3 Takeaways from the Epstein Files

00:00:00.600 The Epstein files are back in the news.

00:00:03.120 If you are overwhelmed or confused about this, don't worry.

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00:00:07.080 I've got three lessons that we should take away from these latest headlines and the latest

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00:02:07.140 All right, we've got a lot to talk about today.

00:02:09.420 I'm going to try to go through it as thoroughly, but also as concisely as I possibly can because

00:02:14.540 there are so many important things that we need to talk about.

00:02:17.180 So first, let's talk about the DOJ's latest release of the Epstein file.

00:02:22.780 So on Friday, January 30th, the U.S. Department of Justice released this huge batch of documents,

00:02:29.360 emails related to Jeffrey Epstein, and the DOJ has now published over 3 million additional

00:02:35.980 pages of material in compliance with the Epstein Files Transparency Act, which President Trump

00:02:41.720 signed into law on November 19th.

00:02:43.840 And this latest release included more than 2,000 videos, 180,000 images, and that brings

00:02:51.000 the total production to nearly 3.5 million pages.

00:02:55.380 And so when you're asking, hey, you know, different people, why haven't you talked about

00:02:59.060 this?

00:02:59.280 What do you think about this?

00:03:00.400 Well, there's a lot to talk about because there is just so much to wade through.

00:03:05.940 If you'll remember, the Epstein Files Transparency Act originally required the DOJ to produce all

00:03:12.800 relevant files by December 19th, but the department cited the enormous volume of material, the need

00:03:20.180 to redact all of the survivors, the victims identifying information as the reasons for the delayed

00:03:27.620 releases. It included the photos and videos and court records, FBI and DOJ investigative materials,

00:03:36.780 news clippings, emails, text messages, internal reports tied to Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell.

00:03:41.900 And some of the files do mention prominent figures, including President Trump, including former

00:03:47.900 President Bill Clinton, Bill Gates, Elon Musk, though these individuals that I just listed in these files,

00:03:54.880 they have not been tied to any wrongdoing, any substantiated criminal activity in connection with this

00:04:02.000 case. It is important to note that a mention of a famous individual does not necessarily mean that they

00:04:09.440 were involved in Epstein's nefarious activities. Like some people I talked to, Glenn Beck on the radio

00:04:16.080 yesterday, and he was saying that he was mentioned in the Epstein files. And if you just say that sentence

00:04:21.480 alone, that, of course, sounds really scary. But the reason he was mentioned is because Jeffrey Epstein

00:04:27.920 was talking to one of his friends about how much they hate Glenn Beck, which, of course, is like a huge badge

00:04:33.000 of honor. So just because you hear, hey, someone was mentioned in the Epstein files, you have to kind of like

00:04:37.900 know the context to know whether or not it's sketchy or criminal. Also important to remember that the Epstein

00:04:43.940 files, they're not the same thing as the Epstein client list, which has yet to be released. Obviously, we want to

00:04:51.220 know that. We want to bring those people to justice. We want to see justice for the victims. We want to know who was

00:04:57.900 actually a part of this predatory criminal activity of sex trafficking, of preying upon minors. There is so much in these

00:05:07.260 documents that it is really difficult to decipher. You have to verify the contents. You have to know if

00:05:14.600 these images are real. Are they actually found on the DOJ website? Or is this just AI? You've got a lot

00:05:21.380 of people using Photoshop and other tools to create false emails to try to present these fake accusations.

00:05:27.780 Also, within these documents, there's uncorroborated tips. And so, you know, there's people saying, oh,

00:05:33.180 to the FBI, this person was involved in this crime, and we just don't know if that's actually true.

00:05:38.280 The FBI has said that many of the documents have not been deemed credible. That's according to the

00:05:45.200 Associated Press. And then a lot of the files lack context. They lack dates or corroborating evidence,

00:05:52.240 even when we see circulating. And I just thank the Lord that I haven't seen these. But if you do see

00:05:57.660 circulating disturbing photos, emails in the files, this evidence alone doesn't sufficiently provide

00:06:05.660 grounds to prosecute anyone. And so if you're wondering, why isn't Pam Bondi putting all of 0.91

00:06:10.420 these people in handcuffs, there's obviously a process, a justice due process process that has

00:06:17.020 to be gone through in order to see if someone actually participated in criminal activity and

00:06:22.480 should be prosecuted. One part of this is that we need to really be wary of our confirmation bias.

00:06:29.840 And so we've got a lot of people on both sides wanting to see Trump caught up in this nefarious

00:06:35.080 network, or you want to see Bill Gates if you're on the other side caught up in criminal activity. But

00:06:40.680 we just have to make sure that our confirmation bias on either side of the aisle is not leading us

00:06:46.780 to wrongly validate accusations that just aren't based in fact. One example of this, people are

00:06:54.420 talking about Zoran Mamdani, maybe his mother was a part of Jeffrey Epstein's network. But AI is

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00:08:23.440 So there is the appearance of Mira Nair, who is Zora Mamdani's mother, that has led to a number

00:08:30.200 of conspiracy theories about his ties to the dead predator, Jeff Epstein, including that Mamdani

00:08:37.120 was the illegitimate son of Epstein. And so you see all of these apparently AI created 0.78

00:08:44.420 images that flooded the internet and people saying that Mamdani and Jeffrey Epstein actually

00:08:52.540 look alike. But the truth is Nair's only appearance that we can see in these Epstein files is contained

00:08:59.320 in an email from a publicist, Peggy Siegel, to Epstein on October 21st, 2009. Siegel mentions that

00:09:09.700 an after party for Amelia, a film Nair directed, was held at Ghislaine Maxwell's townhouse.

00:09:17.280 Nair was in attendance. Jeff Bezos and Bill Clinton were also mentioned to have been at the party,

00:09:23.700 but no wrongdoing was mentioned. No crime was mentioned there. And of course,

00:09:29.000 there is no evidence that Jeffrey Epstein is Zoran Mamdani's father. President Trump also has

00:09:36.400 something to say about his mention in the files. He is mentioned several times in this latest release,

00:09:43.420 including a dozen tips into the FBI regarding sexual misconduct. These claims are unverified.

00:09:50.120 they're unsubstantiated. We don't know the context or why someone is sending these tips. And so

00:09:59.100 that's all we can go with right now. None of the files that are included in this release that include

00:10:05.180 President Trump are direct communication between Epstein and Trump. The New York Times found 5,000

00:10:13.220 files referencing Trump. And then there's one example where Epstein emails his private investigator about

00:10:21.180 whether he should call Trump about Virginia Giuffre, one of Epstein's accusers. And then Trump's

00:10:28.580 reaction is that the Epstein files actually absolve him of any wrongdoing. Here's thought six.

00:10:33.780 What do you think of the latest movies of Epstein files? And do you think your critics will be

00:10:39.120 satisfied with? Well, they should be because it looked like this guy Wolf was a writer was conspiring

00:10:44.460 with Epstein to do harm to me. And I didn't see it myself. And I was told by some very important

00:10:51.160 people that not only does it absolve me, it's the opposite of what people were hoping, you know,

00:10:57.160 the radical level. I do think it's important to note that Trump signed the legislation that

00:11:03.760 demanded transparency for the Epstein files. And so he has been a part of the crew that has been

00:11:10.540 calling for the files to be released. Now, I am also not an apologist for every level of Trump's

00:11:19.840 morality. I think that we have to wait to see what actually comes out, what evidence we see about all

00:11:24.960 these different kinds of people who have been caught up in this very nefarious web. I'm very thankful for

00:11:30.700 President Trump and how strong he has been on so many policies that have made our country better.

00:11:35.480 And I literally thank the Lord every day that Kamala Harris is not president. But look, as Christians,

00:11:41.200 we have to be completely objective and fair and impartial when it comes to speaking to biblical truth

00:11:48.800 and calling evil evil and good good. And so I think we got to wait to see a lot. There's a lot that we

00:11:56.600 have yet to see when it comes to the evidence surrounding these people who were allegedly

00:12:01.860 involved with Jeffrey Epstein. And it's important for all of us on both sides to make sure that we

00:12:08.560 are not pointing fingers in the direction of people that we already just didn't like simply because we

00:12:14.820 didn't like them. Now, there was one person who was caught up in this that I'm very disappointed

00:12:20.360 about. And it does seem like these emails are verified. In fact, physician Peter Atiyah has

00:12:25.920 said that these emails are real. Most of you probably know who Peter Atiyah is. He is not

00:12:32.380 only a physician, but he has written lots of bestselling books. He has really become an expert

00:12:37.280 on heart health, on metabolic health, and giving all kinds of wellness advice that I know a lot of

00:12:43.440 people had have benefited from. I don't even want to read all of these emails. There's just all kinds

00:12:50.400 of gross, like perverted stuff that no man should be talking about with anyone, but especially Jeffrey 0.66

00:12:57.400 Epstein. And of course, Peter Atiyah is like married with children. And so it's just really 0.97

00:13:03.840 disappointing. Low moral character stuff. This is someone that people have trusted in a lot of ways with

00:13:10.180 lifestyle advice. And he even gives wisdom on emotional health and spiritual well-being. And so

00:13:17.500 when you're hoisting yourself up as an authority in that way, you want to be able to trust that that

00:13:23.380 person has good discernment. And at the very least, I think that we can say that he didn't have good

00:13:27.840 discernment. Now, it doesn't look, at least from these emails, like he was involved in criminal

00:13:32.680 activity, but he does admit that this really was him emailing Jeffrey Epstein. He said that he

00:13:39.260 apologizes. He regrets putting himself in a position where emails, some of them embarrassing,

00:13:44.700 tasteless, and indefensible are now public. And that is on me. I accept that reality and the

00:13:51.260 humiliation that comes with it. So that is very unfortunate. And whether it's Peter Atiyah,

00:13:57.460 or whether it is Donald Trump, or anyone else who was involved in any way with Jeffrey Epstein,

00:14:03.720 it makes me think of a few lessons that I think all of us can take away, but especially those

00:14:10.060 who kind of get into this upper echelon of society and they start being tempted by powerful people.

00:14:17.020 Okay. Lesson number one that I thought about is that we have to notice the nature of sin. We have

00:14:23.420 to notice the nature of sin because sin makes you stupid. Lust, envy, selfish ambition, 1.00

00:14:28.880 they all have a way of arresting our thinking. And Satan does his most effective work by overplaying

00:14:36.840 the benefits of sin in our minds and downplaying its eventual consequences. And these powerful people

00:14:43.840 and science, medicine, business, finance, and politics all got caught up in Epstein's web and

00:14:50.560 they were enticed by this promise of connection and greater power and maybe unfettered pleasure in a lot

00:14:57.600 of cases. And some of them probably didn't intend to be involved in a criminal enterprise, but little

00:15:05.080 by little and small justification by small justification, they found themselves connected

00:15:10.660 to an evil person. And in some cases, they themselves started practicing evil things. And so that is the

00:15:18.220 nature of sin. That is how things start with the seemingly excusable little step in the direction of

00:15:24.660 wickedness. Number two, a lesson that I think we can all take here. We have to recalibrate our

00:15:30.820 definition of success. I heard this phrase years ago. I think I read it in a Christian book when I was

00:15:36.480 in high school. Man's rejection is God's protection. So I think we have to ask ourselves, what if the

00:15:43.400 raise that you didn't get or the promotion that you didn't receive or the campaign that you didn't win

00:15:48.640 or the friend group that didn't accept you or that party that you didn't get invited to, what if all

00:15:54.140 of that was actually protection from the corruption of your soul? What if God knew that that thing that

00:16:00.460 you wanted and that you felt like you deserved would actually end up harming you and hindering you

00:16:05.980 spiritually? Maybe that promotion or that party wasn't going to put you in the echelon of Epstein,

00:16:12.040 but maybe it was going to put you in cahoots with the wrong people. Maybe it was going to encourage

00:16:17.000 pride or covetousness in you. And one thing we know about God that we see over and over again in our

00:16:22.660 own lives and throughout scripture is that he cares much more about our holiness than our happiness,

00:16:26.960 and he will stop at absolutely nothing to accomplish his will. Jesus's words have come to mind many

00:16:35.600 times over the last few days as I'm seeing all of these emails and the commentary on it, and I think

00:16:41.320 about this passage. Again, I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle

00:16:46.400 than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God. That's Matthew 19 24. And also, but those who

00:16:52.640 desire to be rich fall into temptation, into a snare, into many senseless and harmful desires

00:16:58.540 that plunge people into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils.

00:17:05.540 It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with

00:17:10.440 many pangs. That's 1 Timothy 6, 9 through 10. Now, caveat, that does not mean that while

00:17:16.340 wealth is inherently evil or that we shouldn't earn money for our work. We read that in 1 Timothy 5,

00:17:21.840 18. Of course, the Proverbs are full of advice for how to be wise with our money so that we can

00:17:27.860 provide for our families and be generous with others. And Jesus also makes clear in Matthew 19,

00:17:33.720 after saying that it's difficult for a rich person to go to heaven, that with God, all things are

00:17:38.800 possible. Our salvation is not about our bank account. It's based solely on God's mercy.

00:17:42.740 That's Romans 9 16. However, what we do see here is that the seeking of wealth and power

00:17:48.820 for the sake of wealth and power has a way of crowding out godly affections and replacing those

00:17:55.240 affections with idolatry. So we should thank the Lord for what he gives and what he takes away,

00:18:02.440 knowing that his glory and our holiness is ultimately his goal. So we recalibrate the definition of success.

00:18:10.480 And then number three, we should be grateful for a Christian civilization. Now, this might sound

00:18:17.620 scandalous, what I'm about to say at first, but it is true. The only reason that we have a rightful

00:18:24.180 aversion to Jeffrey Epstein is because of Christianity. Disgust toward pedophilia and preying 0.98

00:18:31.020 upon minors is not self-evident. It is not universal. There are Jeffrey Epsteins throughout history,

00:18:37.120 across a wide variety of cultures. In fact, in many non-Western nations today, child marriage or

00:18:43.500 raping underage girls is not seen as perverse. It's not seen as criminal. The reason the West and the 0.68

00:18:49.340 United States has a general consensus around the evil of pedophilia is because of Christianity.

00:18:54.840 There is this book that if you listen to this show or you've seen me give a speech, you've probably

00:18:59.680 heard me talk about it. And it's by Owen Backey. He's a historian and it's called When Children

00:19:04.520 Became People. And he analyzes the dehumanization of babies and children in the ancient Roman Empire.

00:19:11.260 They were aborted. They were left to die via something called exposure in the wilderness.

00:19:15.680 They were slain after birth. They were used as labor. They were sold as prostitutes. 0.69

00:19:19.700 And it's because they didn't possess the physical strength that was lauded by Rome. And they didn't 0.99

00:19:25.720 possess the full intellect or the logos that was lauded by Greece. So they were treated as kind of

00:19:30.920 subhuman. And it wasn't until Christians introduced the world to the Imago Dei and preached this radical 0.98

00:19:38.020 message of equality before our creator that slowly but surely the world changed how it saw children,

00:19:44.060 not as animals, but as these vulnerable people in need of extra protection. And so these people,

00:19:50.860 these Christians who worshiped a God, who came to earth as an embryo and was heralded by the angels

00:19:57.460 as a newborn, changed how the world valued children. Plus, it's important to note that unlike Islam, 1.00

00:20:04.620 the model for marriage in the Bible from the very beginning is between one man and one woman who are 0.79

00:20:11.280 immediately primarily tasked with being fruitful and multiplying, which can only be done post-puberty.

00:20:17.680 So inherently within Christianity is this model of sexuality that is only to be within the balance 0.89

00:20:24.520 of marriage between one man and one woman. This is the standard that Christianity sets. 0.86

00:20:30.080 So the revulsion to Jeffrey Epstein and his ilk, whose actions are incredibly common throughout history,

00:20:37.480 is actually evidence of the vestiges of the Christian conscience that forged the West and

00:20:43.640 inspired the words that we read in the Declaration of Independence. We hold these truths to be self-evident

00:20:48.800 that all men are created equal. However, the problem is that these truths are not actually

00:20:54.640 self-evident. They are sacred. They are revealed to us, not by common sense, but actually by our creator.

00:21:01.360 And we can trust, we can know for sure that as we lose our Christian conscience in America and as we 0.77

00:21:08.440 move away from the creator, all the things that we take for granted will soon be lost. The dignity of

00:21:14.760 children, the honoring of marriage and the family, impartial justice, the entire concept of human rights.

00:21:21.100 Now we already see that in so many cases, but it's only going to get worse. And that is why Christians 1.00

00:21:27.440 have to carry this baton that we have been carrying for 2,000 years of caring for the most vulnerable,

00:21:33.880 of seeking true impartial justice for those who oppress the vulnerable and those who do wickedness.

00:21:41.260 And so Christians should care about this. Some people ask, why should we care about this?

00:21:45.920 And it's a lot and it's overwhelming and it might feel like it has nothing to do with us,

00:21:50.620 but justice should always matter to the Christian. Children should always matter to the Christian.

00:21:55.100 Ephesians 5.11 tells us a lesson that we should all take to the bank and that is take no part in

00:22:01.620 the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. All right. Speaking of people exposing

00:22:08.560 darkness, we've got Nicki Minaj of all people speaking truth on X. We'll get to that in a second.

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00:23:19.540 slash Allie. All right. Nicki Minaj, the queen of rap. I think she's the queen of rap. I think

00:23:30.900 that's what she goes by. I'm not, I can't lie to you and say that I have listened to a bunch of

00:23:37.460 Nicki Minaj songs. In fact, it's probably been since college, but I am very happy to see her

00:23:46.340 political evolution. I first saw her, you know, a couple months ago, speaking out on behalf of

00:23:52.100 Christians in Nigeria, which I think is an amazing way to use your platform. And so kudos to her. Of

00:23:58.580 course, she went to the Turning Point America Fest event, and then she's had just like this funny back

00:24:04.460 and forth with J.D. Vance, too. And now she is really putting her foot on the gas. She's calling

00:24:11.580 out Democrats. She called out Don Lemon, too. Some of it, like her songs, are just not relatable

00:24:17.520 appropriate. We got kids listening to this podcast, so we're not going to be saying everything that

00:24:24.020 Nicki Minaj called Don Lemon. But here's one thing that she said. She says, any Christian, this was 0.74

00:24:30.780 on February 1st, who votes Democrat again, is a fool. They're showing people that it's okay to 1.00

00:24:35.840 disrupt a church during worship. This is how they truly feel about you. The veil is lifted. No morals,

00:24:42.760 no integrity. It's not enough for them to have an opinion. They've escalated to physical intrusion

00:24:48.200 of places of worship. The demons inside of them are so bothered all the time. Okay, yes. A very

00:24:55.460 articulate way to explain that, and I happen to completely agree with it. She posted lots of

00:25:01.260 things on X. She said, what sensible, forward-thinking, cutting-edge, leading nation is having

00:25:07.500 a debate on whether or not there should be voter I.D.? Like, they're actually fighting not to have

00:25:14.240 people present I.D. while voting for your leaders. Do you get it? Also, an incredible point. Very,

00:25:22.280 very true. She also said, as they do their ritual tonight, so she is, I'm assuming, talking about the

00:25:30.040 Grammys, God Almighty will reveal himself to them. The ritual will backfire on them. God will not be

00:25:37.400 mocked. Blessed is the mighty name of Jesus Christ. Every tongue that rises up against me in judgment

00:25:44.100 shall be condemned and put to shame. Okay. Okay. Not exactly what I was expecting. In fact, a lot of times

00:25:54.840 you see these celebrities who, say they defend Christians, or they support Donald Trump, or they

00:26:02.720 partner with a conservative organization. They get a lot of backlash, and so they start to backpedal a

00:26:08.640 little bit, or they'll kind of signal to the other side to show, I'm not really a part of them. Don't

00:26:13.880 worry, I'm not conservative. Well, she's done the exact opposite. She's like, yes, I love Donald Trump,

00:26:19.060 best president ever, and I am going all in against the Democrats, which is just a very interesting

00:26:27.520 development. I'm very grateful to have her, you know, over on this side. Now, a lot of people have

00:26:35.340 asked, is she being honest about her shift towards conservatism and Christianity, or does she know

00:26:42.800 where the cultural winds are blowing? And look, I don't know. You know, I don't really know what's in

00:26:49.600 her heart and mind. I think just like anyone else, I can hope for the best. I was very optimistic about

00:26:55.460 Kanye West, his gospel album. I still sing those songs. It was really good. And I think God used that

00:27:02.580 moment to bring glory to himself, maybe lead people to the gospel and to church who hadn't been before

00:27:08.800 or who had walked away from that. And of course, he has had a very unfortunate journey since then.

00:27:16.440 And so I think that we just have to appreciate this moment for what it is, appreciate the truth being

00:27:23.120 spoken, pray that it is genuine. Obviously, we've got some different, we've got some issues with

00:27:30.100 the sexual promiscuity and the promotion of immodesty when it comes to Nicki Minaj's, you know, 0.99

00:27:36.480 pictures and public persona and the songs that she sings. However, that doesn't mean that salvation

00:27:44.980 isn't genuine, if that is something that has occurred, or that she might just be early on in her

00:27:51.540 journey of sanctification. And that's what I pray. I pray that this is genuine, a genuine change of

00:27:59.940 heart. And also that there is true repentance. And so let's pray for her. Let's pray that God would

00:28:07.700 use her. Let's pray that God would draw her to himself. And I think that we can hold both of

00:28:14.320 those things at the same time. We want to make sure that we are not like the older brother and

00:28:18.460 the prodigal son story that we're saying, oh, well, that person, they were just too bad. They did all of

00:28:24.060 those things. So there's no way they could be a Christian now. That's not true. In fact, Ephesians 2 tells us 1.00

00:28:29.760 that all of us were dead in our sin apart from Christ. The thing about being dead is that there

00:28:34.920 aren't different levels of being dead. You're just dead and you can't pick yourself up. You can't

00:28:39.880 clean yourself off. There's nothing you can do to earn your salvation or make yourself alive. That's

00:28:45.320 why that chapter goes on to say, by grace through faith, you have been saved. And this was not your

00:28:50.900 own doing. It was a gift of God given to us in grace. And Nicki Minaj, just like everyone else,

00:28:56.960 can receive that grace from Christ. And that grace over time changes what we think about sex.

00:29:02.360 It changes what we think about relationships. It changes what we think about what we wear and how

00:29:06.800 we present ourselves and the words we use and how we treat other people. And so we have to hope that

00:29:13.900 this Christian conversion is genuine and that she is on the same road of sanctification as the rest of

00:29:19.300 us. Even so, I really appreciate her boldness so much and being able to say the things that are true.

00:29:25.120 And so I say, welcome, Nicki Minaj. Welcome over to the side. All right. We got to talk about a

00:29:30.840 little bit about the Grammys. I know it's Wednesday, so it's been a few days, but there are some good

00:29:36.520 things that happened at the Grammys that we should be excited about, like the name of Jesus being

00:29:42.000 proclaimed. And then, of course, there's the ridiculous hypocritical stuff that I really just 0.90

00:29:46.520 want to dive into when it comes to Billie Eilish, just as a reminder, in case you needed one, that these 0.75

00:29:53.220 people are not who you should be going to for political wisdom, for moral wisdom, because they

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00:31:11.840 Okay, so we've got some celebrities with this ice out pin on. It's kind of like the same thing a few

00:31:18.880 years ago. Remember like the time's up? I wonder if there's a company that makes these and passes

00:31:23.320 these out. Look, we've got Justin Bieber, and we've got Haley Bieber. And I just want to say one thing

00:31:30.020 before we move on, because I watched them on the red carpet. Why do they seem like they don't like each

00:31:35.700 other? Why do they seem like they don't like each other? I just think it's weird. And he doesn't,

00:31:40.520 I don't know. They just don't seem happy. And a lot of people are unhappy when they're outsourcing

00:31:46.520 their compassion to social justice causes. I don't know if that has anything to do with it.

00:31:51.240 I think they also claim to be Christians. I would love to see more of that on display,

00:31:57.700 like a Jesus wins pin. That would be cool. But instead, we have Haley Bieber not only supporting the 0.99

00:32:04.000 abolishing of ICE, who is daily rounding up sex criminals who have no right to be here.

00:32:10.960 But also, she is supporting Planned Parenthood with Chelsea Handler. So we've got all of these

00:32:17.160 celebrities who are at the, was it the Grammys? I always forget. They were at the Grammys. They

00:32:23.180 have these security guards. Many of them have their own personal security. If I were trying to

00:32:28.480 infiltrate the Grammys without a ticket, without maybe, I don't know, documents, I would be thrown

00:32:34.500 out. I would be, I don't know, deported from the Grammys. And yet you have people like Billie Eilish,

00:32:41.300 who is like, she's got something deeply like disturbing spiritual going on in her life.

00:32:47.480 She is saying, you know what? No one is illegal on stolen land.

00:32:51.760 No one is illegal on stolen land.

00:33:03.960 I feel really hopeful in this room. And I feel like we just need to keep fighting and speaking

00:33:10.080 up and protesting and our, our voices really do matter. And the people matter.

00:33:14.660 I just, it's so hard for me. It's so hard for me to watch this. Just the clapping like seals and

00:33:22.060 the nodding and the Hunger Games attire. It's just all too much. It's just all, it's all too

00:33:28.920 like animal farm to me. You've got these people who have access to all of this security and all of

00:33:36.680 these benefits of being wealthy. And they simply don't think that you or I should have the same

00:33:43.420 protection. Those of us who can't hire private security and who don't live in these gated 0.78

00:33:48.600 communities like they do. Like we also deserve to be protected from predators. They simply don't

00:33:55.460 think that we do. Sports broadcaster, Emily Austin, who attended the Grammys described what their

00:34:01.880 security apparatus is like. So at three.

00:34:04.420 At the Grammys yesterday, as someone who was there, I walk in crazy security checks,

00:34:09.180 barricades, 15 feet tall, police with machine guns. Because that wasn't enough, each celebrity

00:34:15.620 had their own private entourage of security. So clearly they feel that they believe security

00:34:22.600 should exist. They believe in borders when it comes to their homes. They live in gated communities

00:34:26.940 in million dollar mansions, but then they say, oh no, no, no, no. Borders in the country are bad.

00:34:32.340 And ICE is bad for deporting illegal immigrants who crossed those borders illegally. But I deserve all the 1.00

00:34:37.840 security and protection in the world. It's just my country doesn't. It really reminds me of like

00:34:41.980 communism for the not for me, because it's very easy for them to go out there and talk,

00:34:47.200 but they'll never put their money where their mouth is.

00:34:50.300 Yeah, that's absolutely correct. If we do a flashback to 2019, this post with a picture of

00:34:56.140 Billie Eilish, you see her surrounded by her security. Like, and I just want to make clear,

00:35:02.000 I think she should have security. I think all of these people should have security because

00:35:06.000 there are crazy people out there. I don't blame them at all for living in a gated community,

00:35:10.400 for being able to afford a home with, you know, a guarded gate at the front, to have their private

00:35:15.880 security detail of these armed men. I think that is really good sense. You should be able to have as

00:35:21.240 much security as you can afford. They just, again, don't think that you or I should be afforded not

00:35:27.480 even this level of security, but just like bare minimum of law enforcement officers being able to

00:35:33.320 arrest people who are in violation of the law. These people who say ICE out, it really is the

00:35:39.120 most radical position. It's not some nuanced take that, hey, like, maybe we should only focus on the

00:35:45.240 criminals, or maybe we should have some border enforcement, but maybe this is going too far.

00:35:51.220 Let's fix our immigration laws to make this more streamlined. They are saying ICE out. So abolish ICE.

00:35:57.720 This is as crazy as defund the police, just like defunding the police in Portland and New York and all

00:36:03.480 of these liberal cities led to more murders and more crime, more violation of the rights of innocent

00:36:08.300 people. So will abolishing ICE. Like, they are rescuing kids from sex trafficking by deporting some of

00:36:15.660 these awful criminals. Now, is everyone they're deporting? Some kind of violent sex offender? No. And

00:36:21.900 that's also okay. We love for them to focus on the sex offenders and the cartel members and the MS-13

00:36:29.100 gang members. But also, in order to have sovereignty and borders as a country, you have to enforce

00:36:34.980 immigration law and kick the people out who are not here legally. People understand this on a micro level 1.00

00:36:42.560 when it comes to their life and their home. They have a really hard time understanding this or refusal

00:36:48.320 to understand this on the macro level. My good friend Samuel Say posted this on X. It ended up

00:36:53.540 getting tens of thousands of likes, probably 100,000 likes at this point. He says, Billie Eilish has a

00:36:59.500 restraining order against a man who illegally entered her home. So she had her own form of ICE

00:37:07.620 to enforce her border law, but we can't. Let's talk about the stolen land that Billie Eilish's home is on. 1.00

00:37:17.100 She's got a $14 million mansion built atop the former site of the Tonga, I don't even know how to 0.92

00:37:23.320 pronounce that, burial ground, and a park for single mothers. So she said, you know what, I want this

00:37:31.820 mansion on this. I'm going to conquer this land. I don't care about the indigenous people who used to 1.00

00:37:38.740 live here. Again, it's okay for her. It's not okay for anyone else. And I just want to say, I should have

00:37:44.940 said this up front. We don't live on stolen land. We live on conquered land, like everyone else in

00:37:51.260 the entire earth. Every nation was conquered. That is actually the history of humanity. That is the

00:37:58.700 history of civilization. Conquered and being conquered. Enslaving and being enslaved. We don't have to like

00:38:07.480 it. But that is what human history is. And if you feel so badly about it, then you should go

00:38:13.920 move somewhere else that you think is not stolen land. Also, this is the gate that is in front of

00:38:20.900 Billie Eilish's home. It's surrounded by a wall. And this is impenetrable gates. You can't even see

00:38:31.340 through it. And again, she should have that. But according to the New York Post,

00:38:37.160 she issued a restraining order against a stalker, a 39-year-old Christopher Anderson,

00:38:43.540 breaking into her family's childhood home in LA. Court documents show that Anderson visited the

00:38:48.200 property five times in 22 and 23. Eilish described the situation as causing her substantial anxiety,

00:38:56.220 fear, and emotional distress. Oh, like probably Lake and Riley felt. Kate Steinle probably felt

00:39:01.520 anxiety and distress when the person who killed her, who had been deported five times, but was

00:39:08.600 seeking refuge in the sanctuary city of San Francisco, who refused to comply with ICE, with immigration

00:39:18.020 authorities. He stole a gun. He shot her in the chest. Her last words were, help me, daddy.

00:39:24.480 As she breathed her last. She was killed by someone who should not have been here and would not have

00:39:31.480 been here if it weren't for the compassionate policies put in place by San Francisco, the kind

00:39:38.100 of policies that Billie Eilish supports. So that's the bad. We've got all the hypocrisy in the world 0.99

00:39:45.400 coming from Hollywood. These are not our moral exemplars, and they really don't have as much influence

00:39:50.780 over our elections as they think they do. Thank the Lord. Otherwise, Donald Trump wouldn't have won in

00:39:57.280 2016. He wouldn't have won in 2024. So we can continue to highlight their hypocrisy just as a

00:40:03.960 good reminder that we shouldn't be looking to them in any way, but we can ignore them when it comes to

00:40:13.300 their direction in our lives. However, there's good things that happened as well. We've got Jelly Roll.

00:40:18.580 He's a singer, and he talks about how Jesus changed his life. Yes and amen. Top four.

00:40:25.080 There was a time in my life, y'all, that I was broken. That's why I wrote this album. I didn't

00:40:31.060 think I had a chance, y'all. There was days that I thought the darkest things. I was a horrible human.

00:40:35.080 There was a moment in my life that all I had was a Bible this big and a radio the same size and a

00:40:39.400 six-by-eight-foot cell, and I believed that those two things could change my life. I believed that music

00:40:44.660 had the power to change my life, and God had the power to change my life. And I want to tell y'all

00:40:49.420 right now, Jesus is for everybody. Jesus is not owned by one political party. Jesus is not owned

00:40:55.980 by no music label. Jesus is Jesus, and anybody can have a relationship with him. I love you, Lord.

00:41:03.580 Yes and amen. That is absolutely true. Love people giving glory to God in moments like that

00:41:09.900 instead of saying stupid things about politics. Everyone should just listen to what Ricky Gervais 0.99

00:41:17.320 said a couple years ago, that none of these people have a place to be preaching to anyone

00:41:24.700 else about morality or being educated. You just don't. Your carbon footprint is much bigger than

00:41:30.860 all of ours. Your security detail is much bigger than all of ours. And most of the problems you talk

00:41:35.520 about don't really affect you, and the policies that you are advocating for won't have a negative

00:41:40.700 impact on you, but they'll have a negative impact on us. So just remember that next time.

00:41:47.500 All right. We have some really good news, and we need good news. There's no better news than the news

00:41:52.920 that Jelly Roll just told us of the gospel. But good things are happening in the way of justice,

00:41:58.280 particularly for those who once quote unquote transitioned or attempted to transition to the

00:42:05.180 opposite sex via surgery. Well, those botched surgeries unfortunately have ruined the lives of 1.00

00:42:12.080 so many, and now detransitioners are fighting back through malpractice lawsuits. All right. We've got 1.00

00:42:18.700 more on that in a second. Let me pause, tell you about our next sponsor. It's Concerned Women for America.

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00:43:17.300 ConcernedWomen.org slash Allie. This is according to the New York Post. Fox Varian is a woman who once 1.00

00:43:29.600 identified as a boy in her teen years. So she's a minor. Your brain is not even close to being fully

00:43:35.640 developed. And she got a double mastectomy when she was just 16 years old. Now she's 22 years old.

00:43:42.960 And recently she was awarded $1.6 million for past and future pain and suffering, as well as $400,000

00:43:50.940 for future medical expenses after winning a lawsuit against her doctors that were accused of pushing

00:44:00.180 the life-altering surgery on her when she was only a minor. Varian's case is the first G-transitioner 1.00

00:44:07.480 malpractice lawsuit in the country to go to trial and win. The jury found that psychologist Kenneth

00:44:13.600 Einhorn and plastic surgeon Simon Chin that they were liable for medical malpractice. They ruled that

00:44:19.920 they failed to follow proper standards of care, adequately screened for other conditions, and

00:44:24.620 obtained fully informed consent before proceeding with the irreversible procedure. Varian's lawsuit

00:44:30.100 claimed that these doctors rushed her into the surgery, with her psychologist in particular pushing

00:44:35.300 the idea aggressively, not exploring alternatives or potential co-occurring issues like depression

00:44:41.480 or autism. And her mother testified in court that she only agreed to the surgery under intense pressure

00:44:48.960 from these doctors. She feared that denying it could actually lead to her daughter's suicide. That's

00:44:54.960 what they say. Do you want a living son or a dead daughter? It's so manipulative and just unfounded

00:45:00.260 in the data. She personally opposed it, but she felt like, okay, if I want my child to live,

00:45:06.000 I've got to consent to this. In 2024, we interviewed a D-transitioner. Her name is Sorin Aldaco. 0.98

00:45:14.020 And she is an incredible young woman, but she had a very similar story. She believed she was a boy and at

00:45:21.400 17, completely negligent doctors prescribed testosterone. And then at 19, so barely a legal adult,

00:45:29.360 she underwent a double mastectomy at Austin's Crane Center. And that led to, I mean, so sad,

00:45:36.620 listening to her story, seeing the pictures, these severe complications like hematomas, internal

00:45:42.200 bleeding. She reached out to her doctors for help and the doctors completely just spurned her 1.00

00:45:49.360 attempts at getting seen and getting help. They abandoned her. So in 2023, she filed a lawsuit against

00:45:57.000 five of her mental and medical providers for the same thing, medical malpractice and negligence. Here,

00:46:03.680 Sorin is on my show talking about this. Top five. That's the reason for a lawsuit like this. Yeah. I mean,

00:46:09.360 it's medical malpractice. The hormone provider did not provide me with adequate informed consent,

00:46:15.640 should not have given me the hormones to begin with. And the surgeons, I mean, we just talked about

00:46:20.780 this in depth. Like they really dropped the ball, um, not just in giving me the surgery, but doing

00:46:26.180 such an awful job with the aftercare and with being aware of how my body was reacting to this

00:46:31.880 very invasive procedure. Go listen to that conversation from the summer of 2024. Sorin is

00:46:39.060 an incredibly articulate advocate, um, for her cause. And I'm just so thankful for the courage of these

00:46:46.800 young women and these young men to come forth because it takes a lot of, it takes effort. Um,

00:46:53.100 it takes bravery. It takes being willing to relive some of the most traumatizing years and months and

00:47:01.380 days and hour of your life. Sometimes it puts you in opposition to your friends, to your former

00:47:07.640 community, to your family. There's really difficult conversations that have to be had with your parents

00:47:13.400 who consented to this or the people in your life that affirmed you because they thought they were

00:47:19.400 following empathy and doing the right thing. And so these people coming out and, uh, suing these

00:47:27.900 doctors, it is re it really takes a lot. So let us pray for them. This I believe is one of many

00:47:36.460 victories that we will see. Here's the point. Yes. To get a justice for these young people

00:47:43.120 who were pushed into the brutalization and the maiming of their bodies, but also to make doctors

00:47:52.120 afraid. Like I'm just going to say that out loud. It is to make doctors realize that the cost of doing

00:48:00.640 these surgeries, pushing cross-sex hormones, pushing puberty blockers is too high. I want them to feel 0.77

00:48:08.660 like I'm going to get sued. I'm going to lose my license. I'm going to lose millions of dollars

00:48:14.320 if I perform this double mastectomy. If I chemically castrate this child who is deceived about 0.99

00:48:22.060 their gender, that's what we want. And you might think that sounds harsh. No, that's the point of 0.99

00:48:27.900 these medical malpractice lawsuits, no matter what, like we want all doctors to be afraid of messing up.

00:48:34.620 We want there to be consequences for messing up. This is not just messing up. I mean,

00:48:39.580 this is wicked. This is evil. I personally think you should go to jail, especially if it's a minor.

00:48:45.140 If you perform a cosmetic double mastectomy on a minor, if you chemically castrate a child,

00:48:52.920 if you pump a child's body with cross-sex hormones or arrest their puberty because they think that they 0.59

00:49:00.540 are the opposite gender, you should go to prison for decades. It's evil. It is abuse. And so this is 1.00

00:49:08.040 the very beginning, I will say, in the road to justice for this. Okay? So I am so thankful for Soren.

00:49:17.160 I'm thankful for Fox Varian, who is, and I'm thankful, by the way, also to these attorneys.

00:49:23.040 There are many more lucrative endeavors that attorneys could take. And yet, I've talked to

00:49:31.360 some of these lawyers. They are doing this because they really believe in justice. And I hope that this

00:49:38.920 just starts the domino effect and that we in our lifetimes can see an end to these surgeries,

00:49:46.640 especially for children. So let us pray for that. And I just want to say,

00:49:51.900 every single person out there who has spoken any bit of truth, who has exercised any bit of courage,

00:49:59.220 who has shown any bit of resolve or clarity when it comes to the reality that no one is born in the

00:50:05.820 wrong body, you are part of justice for these people. Do not discount your contribution to bringing

00:50:14.300 sanity to the gender conversation in this country and bringing justice to these young people.

00:50:21.080 All right. We've got one more short segment, and that is lifestyle pitter patter. Hillary Clinton, 1.00

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00:51:49.220 make sure that we got to this article that I thought was fascinating, also very disturbing in

00:51:54.240 the New York Times. If you missed why we're calling this lifestyle pitter patter, it's because Hillary 0.99

00:51:59.680 Rodham Clinton in an op-ed for The Atlantic said that I'm a Christian right-wing influencer who talks

00:52:05.320 about lifestyle pitter patter, which is actually just laughable because I don't know what that means

00:52:09.420 and it's not true. But we'll talk, we'll say this is lifestyle pitter patter as we discuss the rise of

00:52:16.520 platonic co-parenting according to the New York Times. So last week, New York Times published an article

00:52:23.040 about this rising popularity of co-parenting among friends. So in search of a platonic co-parent

00:52:30.160 is the title. So that means no expectation of romantic relationship or marriage, but this is

00:52:37.200 a man and a woman or maybe two or more individuals that come together to raise kids, but they don't

00:52:46.640 have sexual relations and they don't have romantic feelings for each other. So these co-parents

00:52:51.400 enter the arrangement as acquaintances, sometimes as close friends, building the family around,

00:52:59.180 sharing parenting responsibilities. Co-parents are thus free to see or even marry other people

00:53:06.220 as they wish. And actually this reminded me of Van Jones. He talked about this a couple of years ago.

00:53:11.140 I think I wrote an article about it for World Magazine. He co-parents with his friend and he

00:53:18.620 calls it conscious co-parenting. So this is not something, so this is his fourth child overall. This

00:53:23.480 is his second child with his friend. So this is not something that's new, but I guess it's now

00:53:28.140 becoming trendier. So more and more people, according to the New York Times, are doing what

00:53:32.500 Van Jones is doing, meeting potential platonic co-parents through dedicated dating apps. And so

00:53:38.220 there are apps for this. Mod Amelie, I think that's Modern Family, Let's Be Parents, and co-parents.

00:53:44.900 These let friends or singles or matched strangers find each other specifically for shared parenting

00:53:52.740 without romance. Users connect by discussing parenting values, expectations, and logistics

00:53:58.620 up front, making it easier to build a family intentionally. This is how they market it.

00:54:04.900 The platforms are really popular. Mod Amelie has 30,000 users, co-parents 150,000 users. Apparently,

00:54:12.820 there are 260,000 users on these three platforms combined. So there are some reasons that people

00:54:20.600 have for doing this. They're single or they're same-sex attracted. And so they know that they

00:54:26.800 can't naturally have children, but they want to be able to do that. Maybe they can't afford 0.68

00:54:32.540 surrogacy. They don't want to bear the responsibilities of parenting alone. If they are a single person, 0.89

00:54:38.220 they believe that they're avoiding some kind of emotional baggage, trauma, or complications from past

00:54:44.040 relationships or divorces. And then the New York Times interviewed these people, this woman named

00:54:51.860 Raven. She's 33. She said, you know, I just want a teammate. I don't really need a romantic partner.

00:54:59.760 I feel like I need to separate two huge decisions. Who do I want to date and who do I want to parent

00:55:05.300 with? Oh my goodness. Zachary, 34, matched with Amanda, 47. Now they have two sons through IVF.

00:55:14.740 He says, I'm not anti-marriage, but this is better for me. And I think that is the resounding 1.00

00:55:21.360 commonality that I see here. This is better for me. I wanted this. This helped me. The question that

00:55:29.640 I don't see answered in any of these social experiments, including this one, is what about

00:55:36.900 the children? Is this better for children? Or is this best for children? This is really another

00:55:43.480 example of using children to fulfill adult desires. And actually worse than that, sacrificing child

00:55:51.640 well-being to fulfill adult desires. So you are starting off your child's life in a very disordered

00:55:58.840 way. Adults should not be thinking, what do I want? And how can I get this child to fulfill my wants?

00:56:05.460 You see how that thinking leads to all kinds of evil. We should be thinking, what environment is

00:56:11.700 best for the child? There is this theory. It's really a myth called the family diversity myth. And

00:56:18.180 we've talked about it with a scholar on my show with a professor, Brad Wilcox from the University

00:56:23.000 of Virginia. This belief that children just need love. They just need adults that will take care of

00:56:29.240 them. And if all of their material needs are met, then they'll be happy. There is no data that shows

00:56:34.560 that. Data shows over and over again that children need a father. And when they don't have a present

00:56:40.940 father in the home, they are more likely to develop an eating disorder. They are more likely to be

00:56:45.440 sexually promiscuous as teens. They are more likely to be delinquent as teens. They are more likely to

00:56:50.260 fall into poverty, more likely to fall into teen pregnancy. There are all kinds of things that

00:56:55.720 tend to happen when a child is fatherless. That doesn't always happen, but statistically it is

00:57:01.680 far more likely. We have less data on motherlessness because it's a historical aberration. Most of the

00:57:09.600 time, mothers don't leave their child because of that biological and physiological bond that happens 0.93

00:57:15.640 during pregnancy and childbirth. And so we should be thinking, why are we creating this historical

00:57:21.740 aberration by allowing two men to parent together? Why are we creating this unstable environment for a 0.82

00:57:30.580 child just because two parents want something? Just because you have a good desire does not mean you

00:57:37.320 are justified in obtaining that desire. I think all people need to realize that. It's just because

00:57:43.860 we're pro-life does not mean that we want more babies no matter what. It doesn't mean that the ends

00:57:49.760 justify the means. We want more marriages first, and then we want more children. I don't just want

00:57:56.680 more children. I want more families. I want more marriage because God knew what he was doing when he

00:58:02.840 married Adam and Eve in the garden and then told them to be fruitful and multiply. In fact, we see

00:58:09.340 throughout scripture, when there is a child that is born outside of marriage, bad things happen. As I've

00:58:15.740 said many times, as I said on my Jubilee debate, no wives, no problems. When Abraham had surrogates, 0.83

00:58:23.020 he used his concubines. When Jacob had multiple children with multiple women, there was jealousy.

00:58:29.520 There was strife. Sometimes children like Ishmael weren't taken care of, like Isaac, like the other

00:58:36.620 children. And so we see that anything outside of the stability of the marriage between one woman

00:58:45.620 and one man actually creates a lot of instability and a lot of insecurity for children. We also know

00:58:54.660 statistically that the most dangerous person in a child's home statistically is the unrelated male.

00:59:02.760 So when you have a woman who has born a child with someone, she starts dating someone else, 0.98

00:59:09.280 you've got boyfriends, you've got stepdad coming in, that child's risk of being abused, severely abused

00:59:16.660 skyrockets. So all of this in service of adult wants creates a very sad and scary picture for children.

00:59:27.260 Um, it's also just people who are not willing to make the sacrifice to die to yourself in marriage.

00:59:35.640 You just want to do what you want to do, no matter how it affects other people. This me first God of

00:59:42.800 self culture that we have created, it really puts children on the losing side. What do I always say?

00:59:50.860 Children are always the unconsenting subjects of progressive social experiments.

00:59:55.740 And as Christians, as we talked about earlier, who carry the baton of child protection and have

01:00:03.340 for 2000 years, have to be the ones to stand up and say, no, you don't have a right to a child.

01:00:09.740 And a child deserves their mother and father. They deserve a married mother and father. And we

01:00:15.780 sacrifice our wants to meet the needs and to fulfill the wellbeing of children. That is the order that God

01:00:24.580 created. We have to be agents of that order. If we love our little neighbors. Well, all right,

01:00:30.360 that's all we got time for today. We will be back here on Friday.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - February 04, 2026

Ep 1298 ｜ My 3 Takeaways from the Epstein Files

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