Ep 130 ｜ Christians in Politics
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What does the Bible say about politics? What does it say about the role of Christians in government? And what does it mean that Christians need to get involved in politics? In this episode, Pastor Ken talks about what the Bible says about politics and what it says about Christian involvement in government.
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Hello, hello! I hope everyone's having an awesome day. Today we are going to talk about
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Christians in politics. I've been hearing a lot of hogwash for the past few years of my life that
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Christians don't need to be involved in politics at all or any kind of civic life. Well, I have
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something to say about that. So first, we are going to set this up. We are going to set up
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what the Bible has to say about governments, what the Bible has to say about politics, kind of.
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And from that, we can deduce what our role should look like and what our view of justice in government
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should look like as Christians. I remember in the 2016 election, we had the choice between
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two candidates that at the time, we didn't really think that they reflected Christian values,
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Christlike values. We had Hillary Clinton, and we said, okay, well, she's a crook. Let's look at her
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career, her political career, the things that she's been involved with, particularly with her
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husband, Bill. And we can say, okay, this is a career politician that we really don't want to
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get behind, not to mention all of her terrible policies. We don't want four more years of a
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highly progressive president who has such a corrupt background. Just can't bring myself to do that,
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especially as someone who's pro-life. There's no way that I would vote for anyone who is pro-choice,
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but particularly not Hillary Clinton. I'm not really talking about myself. I'm just talking about what a lot
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of Christians were thinking at the time. And then we looked at Donald Trump. The infamous Access
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Hollywood tape came out. And we thought, okay, well, this guy doesn't seem Christlike. He said a
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lot of things about women and a lot of things in general that I don't agree with. He doesn't really
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seem to have the fruit of the spirit. He doesn't seem to be a Christian. He's probably got some sketchy
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business dealings. What the heck do we do? And so instead of reasoning through that, instead of
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trying to decide, okay, what is the best option that I can take as a Christian, as a responsible
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citizen, you had some Christians, particularly young Christians, I heard say, it doesn't matter.
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None of this matters. Jesus is coming back. This is not, you know, this is a different kingdom. This is
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not eternal. This is temporal. I don't need to worry about that. I'm just going to worry what's going on
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in the realm of Christianity, in the realm of the church, in the realm of theology. I don't really
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care what happens in this election. And so I'm just not going to get involved with it. Well, let me
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tell you, that in my opinion is an excuse for apathy. That is typically, not always, some people
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really have a principled stance on not being involved in politics. But as far as the millennial
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generation goes, as far as a lot of the hipsters that you're hearing say that, that's typically an
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excuse for ignorance, an excuse for not really doing anything about what's going on in the world,
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because you don't want to learn. You don't want to put any effort into all of this. So that has been
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my experience. Politics, civic life, the government, all of it matters. It all matters. In the words of
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Abraham Cooper, don't really know how to say that. There is not a square inch in the whole domain of
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our human existence over which Christ, who is sovereign over all, does not cry, mine. And man,
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is that so true? The Bible reflects this as well. Remember, God created the world and everything in
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it. Listen to how holistic God's control of the universe is in Daniel 2.21. He changes times and
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seasons. He removes kings and sets up kings. He gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to those who
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have understanding. Proverbs 8.15. By me, kings reign and rulers issue decrees that are just. By me,
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princes govern and nobles, all who rule on earth. So God sets up government. It is a necessary tool
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for public good. Romans 13.1. Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities,
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for there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God.
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A good government is to enact justice. It is to protect its citizens from exploitation. It is to
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be free from bias. God is a fair judge who cares about justice, who cares about exploitation,
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who cares about the oppressed. We see that throughout the Bible. Leviticus 19.15 says,
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you shall do no injustice in court. You shall not be partial to the poor or defer to the great,
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but in righteousness shall you judge your neighbor. So this is justice that is based on truth.
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This is judgment that is based on righteousness, not based on someone's station, not based on
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someone's socioeconomic status, but on what is true and what is not, on who is guilty based on
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evidence and who is not. Typically, when we hear that, what stands out to a lot of people is that
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we're not supposed to favor the rich, that we're not supposed to favor those who are in power,
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which is absolutely true. But we're also, the Bible says, not to favor the poor. We're not to show any
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kind of favoritism, whether someone is lowly or whether someone is great, whether someone is high
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up. So this is based on truth. So knowing that God set up the government, that he cares about
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righteousness and justice, it makes no sense. It makes no sense whatsoever to say that Christians
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are supposed to be separate from that. That is to say that God exists in some realm over here.
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The world exists in some realm over here. I don't believe that that's true. God is sovereign
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over all of it. He works through all of it. It makes no sense to say that Christians should not
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at all be involved in politics. People say politics is dark or the government is corrupt.
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Yes, that's true. That's precisely why we need Christians in it. The Bible says that Christians
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are to be salt and light. And so that means that we preserve and we clarify, we add flavor and we
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illuminate wisdom. The work of the Christian is necessary in civic life. It's necessary to justice.
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Christians are the ones who are defending religious liberty. Christians are the ones pushing for
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legislation to protect the unborn, to keep assisted suicide illegal. Christians protect the dignity of
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life. Christians should be pushing for justice, for the exploited, for the oppressed to be fairly
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treated. Now, here's my side note. It's going to be a kind of long side note because I think it's
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important. This is my side note. We are not talking about social justice as it is defined today.
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I say, quote, social justice. Social justice, as we have discussed many, many times on this podcast,
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is the effort toward equal outcomes through the vehicle of big government. It is about
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suppressing the privileged and lifting up the unprivileged by favoring the unprivileged,
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which we know the Bible speaks against. And again, I'm using quotes around privileged and
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unprivileged because who is privileged and who is not is based on these arbitrary standards
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that is dictated by intersectionality, which says that all white people, for example,
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are privileged, but all black people are not privileged when that's not even true.
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So that is what social justice today is based on. It favors the quote unprivileged
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in taxation, in court, et cetera. Examples of this, examples of this kind of equal outcome,
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social justice, or the effort towards equal outcome, social justice based on intersectionality,
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which of course is the group identity of someone based on their religion or skin color. And you
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allocate oppression points based on that. If that is all confusing to you, it's because you're a
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logically thinking person, it should be confusing to you, but you can go back and listen to previous
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episodes. So here's some example of that kind of thwarting of justice, which is now known as social
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justice. The Dallas district attorney, there was a news story a few months ago saying that he was no
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longer going to prosecute people who stole items that were less than $750. So if you stole something
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less than $750 and you said it was truly for the economic benefit of your family, you needed that
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thing. He wasn't going to prosecute you for that. That is an effort to quote uplift the poor or uplift
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the marginalized by no longer prosecuting crimes. Affirmative action is another example of this.
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You don't include some people that are qualified because of their skin color. You include and
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accept people who are not as qualified maybe because of their skin color. California forcing all public
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companies to put women on the boards of their companies. The whole Kavanaugh thing was social
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justice. We had to believe all women simply because she was a woman. The whole Covington scandal,
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we had to believe Nathan Phillips because he was a Native American. We had to call the pro-life white
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teenagers who were Catholic. We had to call them bigots because of the color of their skin and their
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political association. The Jussie Smollett thing, the fact that he got off, that is an effort to make
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equal outcomes through this vehicle of social justice that is dictated by intersectionality, which is not
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based on truth. That is not justice. That is not fair. That is not showing impartiality. That is
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showing bias towards those who you think are oppressed simply based on some kind of group
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identity, not based on individual cases. That is preferential treatment of people that we assume
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have been oppressed and thus can't excel on their own, can't get by on their own. They can't do the
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right thing. And so the powers that be have to help them and oppress the other people who have been
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able to do it on their own. It's done at the expense of others. That is not how Leviticus
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describes justice. That is not God's justice because it is not based on truth. That is not based
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on any kind of reality. The same thing with reparations doesn't make any sense. It's based
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on a random calculation of who is more oppressed than the other. That is what Thomas Sowell calls
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cosmic justice. If you have not read the book, Quest for Cosmic Justice, I recommend that you do.
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So Christians do not strive for equal outcomes because equal outcomes are impossible.
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We strive for equal opportunity, equal treatment in the eyes of the law, realizing that people are
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still going to make their own choices that may not lead to the same outcomes as someone else.
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That's just the reality of life. Earth is not heaven. Things are going to be different here.
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Even though Jesus says, may your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. The fact of the matter is we
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live in a fallen world. Equal outcomes are impossible. Socialists don't want you to believe
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that. They want you to believe that fairness is all outcomes are the same. Everyone has to be
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forced into the same level of mediocrity. That's not true. So Christians are called to real justice,
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which is justice based on truth. So an example is William Wilberforce. Through civic engagement,
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Wilberforce brought forth global change in the flourishing of an entire people group by bringing
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an end to slavery. He did that through civic engagement. Now, Romans 13 says that Christians
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are to submit to governing authorities. And there has been an argument that has been made that that
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means that we're never supposed to rebel, that we're never supposed to push back, that we're just
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supposed to be quiet. And if we live in a tyrannical government, then we're just supposed to subside in
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that. But I mean, you have some very real questions to ask about Christian figures in history that we
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regard as heroes. So are you saying that Wilberforce was disobeying God, that he was disobeying God's
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word by trying to legally end slavery? Was Corrie ten Boom disobeying God by hiding Jews in her house
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during the Holocaust? Was Bonhoeffer disobeying God by resisting the Nazis? Are missionaries in other
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countries who are prohibited by law from sharing the gospel? Are they disobeying God by sharing the
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gospel? Of course not. Of course not. So we look at Romans 13, 1 in light of the rest of scripture
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that says that we are supposed to submit to governing authorities. So we look at Daniel in the Bible who
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disobeyed authorities when he prayed, despite the governmental ordinance not to pray. Shadrach,
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Meshach, and Abednego disobeyed authorities when they refused to bow down to Nebuchadnezzar and were
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thrown into a furnace. Jesus himself disobeyed earthly authorities by insisting that he was God
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to the point of crucifixion. When Peter was arrested in Acts 5 and he stood before the council,
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the high priest said, why do you keep preaching in Jerusalem when we've told you not to? And Peter
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responds by saying, we must obey God rather than men. So how do we reconcile these two things? How do
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we reconcile Romans 13, 1 that says that we are supposed to submit to earthly authorities with all of
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this? We reconcile this by saying, okay, in all of these instances of God-ordained civic disobedience,
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what were these people doing? They were obeying God. So obedience to God is more important and is
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higher than obedience to any institution. That is why I don't believe, as some have asserted, as some very
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theologically sound people have asserted, that the American Revolution, originally called the
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Presbyterian Rebellion was unbiblical. Some people say that it was. I do not agree with that. They
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were obeying God rather than man by fleeing the oppression of tyranny. And this was a religiously
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motivated rebellion. So I say all of this to say that Christians do have a responsibility to engage
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civically, to engage the government, to change laws that are oppressive, to change laws that are unjust.
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We do play a role in that. When we are bringing God's kingdom on earth, when we are fighting
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against things like slavery or like the Holocaust or like abortion or assisted suicide, all of these
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things that denigrate human dignity, that is something we are called to do. Of course, we are
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supposed to be involved in that. And of course, that does mean voting. That doesn't mean that every
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single candidate that we vote for is going to be perfectly Christ-like, but we look at the issues,
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we look at the values and we say, okay, what is truly most just? And not just based on
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intersectionality, not just based on skin color, but what is just based on truth? What stands up for
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the dignity of the individual? And for me, conservatism fits right into that. Now, I'm not
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trying to make the argument that you have to be a Republican to be a Christian. I am not trying to
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make the argument that God is a Republican. I'm not trying to make the argument that there are
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biblical supports or that the Bible only supports being a Republican. I'm not saying that. It can be
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very nonpartisan. You could find yourself in the middle on a lot of issues if you are following the
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biblical guidance of justice rather than on one side of the other. But when I look at the values
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of conservatism, when I look at the values of the constitution, the liberties that they protect
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and the dignity that it protects by acknowledging that our rights come from God rather than from
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man, when I look at conservatism and the values that conservatism stand up or the values that
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conservatism stands for, then I find a much closer alignment. I find much closer alignment to God's
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word than I do of big governments and tyranny and socialism. And as far as the dignity of life
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goes. Now, that doesn't mean that I agree with everything Republicans do. That doesn't mean that
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I agree with all border policy, for example. That doesn't mean that I agree with all Republican
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politicians by any means. I do think that we can take a nuanced look at every politician and that we
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can see what they stand up for. But I have found that free societies in which things like freedom of
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speech, freedom of religious expression, and the constitutional values that our founding fathers
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ingeniously put into writing, that people thrive. People of all faiths thrive in a society like that,
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not in a socialist society. I mean, all you have to do is look at other countries who have tried
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socialism and failed. But I will be dedicating an entire podcast episode to that particular subject,
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so I won't get into it. Now, the bottom line is, for this episode, is that yes, Christians should be
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involved in the government. We should be involved in civic life. Yes, Jesus is coming back. Yes,
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this stuff is temporary. Yes, this stuff is fleeting. But it's also important because it affects people's
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lives. It affects people's livelihoods. It affects people's medical care. It affects people's
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insurance. It affects people's taxes that they pay. It affects everything. And so the questions that you
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have to start asking yourself are going to be, again, questions that we ask in a future episode,
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but what system actually frees people to be able to provide for themselves? Because as Christians,
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we also believe in something called the dignity of work. We believe, or we know from the Bible,
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that work existed before the fall, that it was good. So humans run on work. We are supposed to be
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productive. We are supposed to actually sow something and then reap it. We're not supposed to just lay
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around. The Bible has a lot to say about the evils of laziness. And so we ask ourselves not,
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okay, what's a society in which everyone is taken care of and no one actually has to work for what
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they have, but what is a society that allows people to be productive so they can take care of
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themselves, they can take care of their families, they can take care of the people around them.
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That's a question that I think that we have to ask ourselves as Christians while also having some
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kind of compassionate safety net, I believe, for the people who really do fall on hard times and
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they can't provide for themselves at all and they need some kind of help. I think that there is a
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place for conversation about that, whether you're on the right or the left. And so those are the
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conversations that you have to ask yourself. And you also have to get educated in the issues,
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always looking at everything through the lens of scripture. But one of our responsibilities as
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Christians and people who care about justice and God's version of justice is to know the facts and to
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know the truth and to not just know a narrative on the right or the left. That's going to take a
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little bit of effort. I always say it's much easier to just be an apathetic progressive than
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it is to be an apathetic conservative, because all you have to do to be a progressive is to listen to
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what celebrities tell you and to scroll through your Facebook or Instagram feed or to see what pops up
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on Snapchat or what pops up on the skim. And you're going to have a progressive leaning viewpoint of
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everything because it's hard to find the facts behind the leftist narrative in the mainstream.
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It just is. It's not blatantly out there. And so you have to listen to podcasts. You have to
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look at the Wall Street Journal. You have to look at multiple outlets in order to get a holistic
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story. If you just read the New York Times, that could be good. You might get a perspective in it.
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You might be enlightened in some way. I read the New York Times. I read the Washington Post.
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But it's important to dig a little bit and to ask yourself questions and to pay attention to language
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as well. The way that they describe people, the way that they describe events, the way that they
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cast a certain people in certain lights. Why did they use that adjective? Why did they use that verb
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here? Is there anything missing in this part of the story? Because it just sounds too crazy. I'm not
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saying all reporting is biased or all reporting is bad, but it is incumbent upon you to make sure that
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you have the responsibility to know what's true and to know what's not true. For me, that means reading a
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lot of different outlets in order to gain a holistic perspective of a story. But it also means reading
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in general, not just the news, but just reading about history, reading autobiographies, reading
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biographies, reading different kinds of political books in order to have a background knowledge of
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the things that are going on. Because I think that really helps us when we approach the news to be
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able to fit things into a larger context. And a lot of the things, the more I read, the more I realize
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that things that happen today just aren't new. They're just not that different than things that
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might've happened 20 years ago. Our technology might be different. The questions we may be asking
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might be different. Society might be different in a lot of ways, but it's not new. A lot of the
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things that happened today have happened before. And I think it's important for Christians to know
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what's true. Of course, never prioritizing watching the news or anything like that over knowing
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scripture, because the truth that we find in scripture are transcendent and they set up how
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we view what's going on today. And of course, sharing the gospel, knowing the gospel, knowing
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your Bible, loving your neighbor as you love yourself is always going to be far more important
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than being involved in politics. But those things don't have to be mutually exclusive, I don't believe.
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So the question is, where do Christians fit into all of this? How do Christians fit into this?
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There have been a lot of teachers, some more liberal theologically, some more conservative
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theologically that have tried to approach this question. And it's not always easy. Like I said,
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you can register, of course, under a party affiliation. I do. You can be active in politics,
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but you should not identify the Christian church or get confused about where your value system comes
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from. So you shouldn't identify the Christian church with a particular party affiliation. Now,
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you can, like I said, say, okay, I have these values, or this is what the Bible says. And from
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what the Bible says, I derive these values and that leans me in a conservative direction. That's what I do.
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I think that's completely fine. But to make a party affiliation, some kind of salvation issue or a
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qualification for membership is not biblical. Now you might be thinking, and if you followed me for a long
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time, I did make the argument and I stand by the argument that it is impossible to be a far left,
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a far left progressive and a Christian. Now, the reason why I say that is not because it
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disqualifies you from salvation or because Jesus can't save you. That's of course not true. Jesus can
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do absolutely anything. The reason why I say that, if you actually go back and you listen to my argument
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is because it doesn't progressive, far left progressivism, I'm not just talking about,
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you know, having differences on taxes or having differences on welfare, having differences on
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social security or the environment or things like that. I'm not just talking about those kind of
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differences that we can have all within the realm of biblical Christianity. I am talking about
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the redefinition of truth, the redefinition of who Jesus was, because far leftism is going to tell
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you that you cannot simultaneously believe that Jesus is the way, the truth, the life,
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and be associated with them. You cannot believe that the Bible is inerrant and be associated with
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the far left. That's what the far left is going to tell you, that you can't believe in biblical
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marriage. You can't believe in biblical gender roles and be a part of the far left. You can't do that.
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And maybe that's true for a part of the far right as well. That probably is true. I think both extremes
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are terrible, but we see it a lot more prevalently on the far left trying to say that,
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oh, well, Jesus was this radical leftist, radical progressive. Well, no, he wasn't because radical
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progressives completely deny the inerrancy of scripture and so much in scripture that it's
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impossible to do both because both ask you to fully deny yourself, take up your cross and follow them.
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And they're going in two different directions. So I think that it's not just far leftism. It's really
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any ideology that tells you to deny yourself, take up your cross and follow it. And it is going in a
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different direction than where Jesus is going. You can't do both. You can't serve God and money,
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the Bible says. You can't serve two masters. You can't have two gods. So it's not just far leftism.
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It's anything that demands you to compromise something for the sake of following that thing
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rather than the Bible, rather than God's word, rather than Jesus. So that is true of really any
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ideology that demands full purity from you in a way that is different than what Christ is demanding
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from you, if that makes sense. So I say all that to say that still God is not partisan,
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that still God doesn't belong to a political party, that still the Bible doesn't say that you
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have to be a capitalist, that you have to be a conservative. Do I believe that the Bible has
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foundations for those things? Of course they do. And we'll talk about that in the future,
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but it is not a matter of salvation. We can have these kinds of disagreements, honestly,
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within biblical Christianity. And I think it's important to have these kinds of disagreements.
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A lot of political positions are not matters of explicit biblical command, but are deduced from
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the Bible and are also part of practical wisdom. Like what experiences have people had with this
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particular policy? That would be capitalism versus socialism. What kind of results does this produce?
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And then we can kind of look at that and say, okay, well, that tyranny didn't lead out,
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didn't, didn't turn out very well, but this freedom did whatever it is. And so we have to
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be thoughtful Christians. We are all trying to obey God's call and they're going to be people,
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genuine Christians on the other side of the aisle than you. And I think it's important for us to
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recognize that, that there are Christians who are Democrats that who have somehow, I think wrongly
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justified abortion. They've justified certain things in their minds. That doesn't mean that
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they're not saved. It means they're wrong. It doesn't mean they're not saved. There are going
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to be Christians who disagree with you. If you are a Democrat on the Republican side, that doesn't
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take away their Christian card. We might have misunderstandings that are genuine, and we might
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have different perspectives that are genuine. Now, there are some things that when we get down to it,
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kind of go into what you actually think of the gospel and can point more towards the state of our
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heart and more towards a salvation conversation. But there are plenty of things that we might just
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not know about each other that doesn't necessarily mean that someone is not a part of the body of
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Christ. And that's why it's important for us to approach our brothers and sisters in Christ as
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exactly that, as brothers and sisters in Christ with whom we disagree and have these kinds of
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conversations. Now, what you're going to find is that that's increasingly difficult. And so we have to
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strive for peace with everyone, just as the Bible says. Now, we might be able to. The great thing is,
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is that if we see each other as brothers and sisters in Christ, first, we might be able to sit down
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and say, OK, I disagree with you about your version of social justice or your version of racial
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reconciliation, whatever it is. But maybe it's not so much that we disagree. Maybe we just see things
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differently. Maybe you have different facts than I do. Maybe you are coming from a completely
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different perspective, or maybe we're really saying the same thing, but we think that we're
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saying different things. That's happened to me. I've also had different ideas of justice than I do
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now. And but the important thing is for two Christians who disagree on something is to go back
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to God's word. If one of you is not willing to go back to God's word as your ultimate command and your
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ultimate authority, then the conversation truly is lost. If one of you is just pulling things out of the air
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and your feelings and liberation theology, whatever it is, or one of you is basing all of his views
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about justice on some kind of secular, conservative philosopher, but it doesn't align with the Bible,
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well, then you don't really have a basis for a conversation. But if two Christians can come
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together and they can look at the word of God and in light of all of scripture, in light of the
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context of the verse and honestly say, here's what the Bible says. Here's why I believe what I believe.
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Talk to me about why you believe what you believe. If two Christians can do that,
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I think that's beautifully productive. We can still love each other. We can still disagree on
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that. Now we can be sad if we feel like the other person doesn't take the authority of scripture
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seriously. And if they are putting their feelings before what the word of God actually says, no
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matter what side of the aisle that we're on, but we can still love one another. There are people that
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I politically disagree with. There are people in my life that I theologically disagree with who I love
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very much. And, uh, we've talked about these things, but we don't talk about them every day.
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We don't talk about them every chance we get, but we've talked about these things and we just say,
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you know what? Your friendship with me is bigger than that. And I know who you are and I know your
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heart and the people I know that I disagree with politically and theologically are Bible believing,
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wonderful Christians. I happen to think they're wrong on particular subjects. They happen to think
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I'm wrong on particular subjects and that's okay. That's okay. That is part of what we're called to as
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Christians. So yes, we engage public life. Yes, we engage areas of justice to fight for true justice
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that is based on truth and on the Bible. And yes, we engage with one another. And we have these kind
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of productive conversations and we approach them with humility. We approach them with honesty and we
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use God's word as the basis. As long as he is our supreme authority and all of that, then we're good.
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Then we can disagree. As long as we agree on the gospel, we agree on the supremacy of Christ,
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which like I said, is very impossible to do if something else, if some other kind of ideology
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is supreme in your life. You can't serve two masters. But if we agree on the supremacy and
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the centrality of Jesus Christ and the inerrancy of his word, we can have all kinds of wonderful
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disagreements as far as politics go. And even theologically, we can have wonderful disagreements
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that don't have to do with salvation if we agree on the core tenets of Christianity.
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Um, so it's okay to disagree and it's okay. It's certainly okay to care about these things. In
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fact, I think that, like I said, uh, we should care about them. And no matter what we think
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politically, another thing that we can unite on is that it is our role. It is our responsibility
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to take care of the poor and the oppressed and the marginalized ourselves, that we have to be the
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hands and feet of Jesus, that we have to be the ones going out, taking care of them, that that's not
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the government's job. I don't care what side of the aisle that you're on. You're not going to make
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that argument to me that it is solely the government's job to take care of people. We
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have to be the ones to give of ourselves, to lay our lives down, to lay our money down, to, uh, serve
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those who are hurting around us. That is our responsibility, no matter what side of the aisle that
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you're on, that is the role of the church, that is the role of the individual. And so we can't negate
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that either. It doesn't, it doesn't matter what you think. I've seen conservatives who, um,
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don't care about charity and who don't care about the poor. And I've seen liberals who certainly
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don't care about the poor really, as far as their own efforts go. They only care about them,
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um, in, in word, as far as policy goes. So that is also an important reminder. Uh, that wraps up
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this, why Christians should care about civic life, why Christians should be involved in politics. We also,
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um, kind of broke down the Romans 13 argument that we shouldn't be involved in politics at all.
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I simply don't believe that. And we talked about, uh, justice and what that means. I have lots and
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lots of episodes on that. If you want to hear more about it, if you've got any questions,
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feel free to email me, Allie at the conservative millennial blog.com. And I will see you guys soon.