Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1301 ｜ 'The Jews Killed Jesus'： Blood Libel or Biblical Truth？

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00:01:05.980 the Jews killed Jesus. Well, neither of these statements is exactly correct. We are going to

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00:05:33.440 All right. Today we are going to get into a very heated debate. If we have time, we'll get into

00:05:37.660 many heated debates. But I wanted to talk about this question. Did Jews kill Jesus? Now,

00:05:45.840 why do I want to talk about this? Obviously, the role of Israel and the Jewish people historically

00:05:52.460 and in modern day politics is a hot topic that is debate and discussed on a daily basis on social

00:05:58.380 media in America today. But the reason why I want to ask this question and answer it theologically is

00:06:04.000 because the other day I responded to someone, not about this subject, but they were trying to compare

00:06:10.300 Jesus's execution to Alex Preddy. They said that like Alex Preddy, Jesus was killed by the Roman

00:06:17.300 Empire for threatening state power. You hear this kind of thinking a lot on the left. It's a very

00:06:22.620 popular stance because they consistently denigrate Jesus from the place of God and Savior and King to

00:06:29.200 this communist activist who was just a cheerleader for all of their political causes. And I responded

00:06:35.120 to this person that no, Jesus was actually killed by Rome at the behest of the Jewish people, but

00:06:41.300 ultimately he gave himself up to death. This was really more of a conversation about who Jesus was,

00:06:47.680 what the Bible actually says about Jesus and his earthly family, to which this person replied,

00:06:53.380 well, I don't believe in the Bible, so I don't care about what you say. She really did that meme of,

00:06:59.060 no, I'm not a Christian and I have nothing but disdain for your beliefs, but if I use them against you,

00:07:03.620 maybe you'll give me what I want. So that's really what the conversation was about. However,

00:07:08.620 I received several messages accusing me in that message of spreading what's called blood libel

00:07:14.620 about the Jewish people. And these people asserted that the Jewish people actually had no involvement

00:07:22.100 in Jesus's death because they didn't have that kind of authority in the Roman Empire. And these were

00:07:27.940 messages from Christians. Others were from some of my Jewish followers. And some of these people

00:07:33.500 accused me in this message of spreading anti-Jewish propaganda. So I just really want to make clear

00:07:39.840 what all Christians believe about this subject if we are to take God's word as authoritative.

00:07:47.780 I don't want to be accused of that, of course, because it's not true. Now, I've been accused of being

00:07:55.360 a pro-Israel shill, and I have also been accused because of sharing these Bible verses or sharing

00:08:03.800 that statement of being anti-Jewish. And really, neither of those things is true. I care about

00:08:10.560 the authority of Scripture. I care about the gospel. I believe that is for everyone. And I completely

00:08:17.120 reject this collective animosity that we see rising up more and more, especially on the right,

00:08:23.980 against the Jewish people as a whole. I care, though, about what the Bible clearly states. So

00:08:30.580 let's get into that and then talk about the implications that it has on our belief systems,

00:08:34.740 on our lives, and even a little bit on our politics. But first, we're actually going to

00:08:40.260 define what blood libel is, because I said that, and you might have no idea what I'm even talking

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00:10:24.700 Okay, so let's talk for a second about the history of this term, blood libel. So libel, you guys know,

00:10:31.660 this is written word that is not true. It's reviling in some ways. Slander is spoken untruths about

00:10:40.480 someone to bring someone into disrepute, and libel is written word that is supposed to bring someone

00:10:48.220 into disrepute that is also not true. So blood libel is this myth of Jews ritually murdering non-Jews,

00:10:55.960 typically Christian children, to use their blood in religious rituals, such as baking Passover,

00:11:01.440 other ceremonies, or other ceremonies. A very awful accusation. We've kind of seen this trope all

00:11:06.860 throughout history. We don't have any credible evidence of these claims. There were accusations

00:11:12.940 in the 12th century in England. There was a major case in 1475 involving someone called Simon of Trent.

00:11:23.400 Also, this persisted through the 16th through the 19th centuries, despite both Catholics and Protestants

00:11:30.160 dismissing the myth of this practice. And then we had 19th century, there was a revival of new cases

00:11:37.920 of this. 20th century, Nazis really repopularized this myth. And then, of course, the modern-day

00:11:46.360 conspiracy theories persist. Now, that is one definition of blood libel, but for whatever reason,

00:11:52.860 it has also been expanded to include this claim that the Jews killed Jesus. Now, this phrase,

00:12:00.940 the Jews killed Jesus, is indeed used by those who hate Jewish people to accuse modern-day Jews of being

00:12:11.040 particular enemies of Christianity. But that doesn't mean that we should deny what the Bible says

00:12:18.980 is true about the Jewish people of that time and their involvement in the handing over of and the

00:12:27.400 crucifixion of Jesus. So just because there are bad people who use this phrase completely erroneously

00:12:35.660 and to try to collectively condemn a whole group of people doesn't mean that we should run away from

00:12:42.240 what Scripture actually tells us. So that's where I want to spend the next few minutes. What does

00:12:46.800 Scripture actually tell us about the Jewish people at that time and their involvement in Jesus's

00:12:52.460 crucifixion? Because the statement that it was only the Roman Empire and it was the Roman Empire's

00:12:59.580 sole idea to kill Jesus because he was threatening Jewish power, that just doesn't hold up with what

00:13:06.580 we see in Scripture. So in Matthew 12, 14, after Jesus heals many who are sick, we read,

00:13:14.920 but the Pharisees went out and conspired against him how to destroy him. The Pharisees, if you don't

00:13:20.420 know, were a group of Jewish leaders at the time. We read in John 10, 31 through 33, Jesus had just

00:13:26.820 finished declaring that he and the Father are one. Then we read immediately after that, the Jews picked

00:13:32.840 up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them, I have shown you many good works from the Father,

00:13:38.460 for which of them are you going to stone me? The Jews answered him, verse 33, it is not for a good

00:13:44.020 work that we are going to stone you, but for blasphemy, because you, being a man, make yourself

00:13:49.860 God. Then in John 11, Jesus had just raised Lazarus from the dead, and some Jewish people told on him

00:13:57.840 to the religious leaders, the Pharisees. And then in verses 45 through 51, they created a plot to deliver

00:14:04.120 Jesus over to death. In verse 47, we read, so the chief priests and the Pharisees gathered the council

00:14:10.080 and said, what are we to do? For this man performs many signs. If we let him go on like this,

00:14:16.180 everyone will believe in him. And the Romans will come and take away both our place and our nation.

00:14:22.180 But one of them, this is verse 49, Caiaphas, who was high priest that year, said to them,

00:14:27.800 you know nothing at all, nor do you understand that it is better for you that one man should die

00:14:32.440 for the people, not that the whole nation should perish. He did not say this of his own accord,

00:14:38.520 but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus would die for the nation and not for

00:14:44.100 the nation only, but also to gather into one, the children of God who are scattered abroad.

00:14:50.840 So from that day on, they made plans to put him to death. And then in John 18, we read that

00:14:57.280 Caiaphas and other Jewish leaders questioned Jesus. Then they bring them over to Pilate, the Roman leader.

00:15:03.400 And in verses 29 through 32, we read, so Pilate went outside to them and said, what accusation do

00:15:10.160 you bring against this man? They answered him. If this man were not doing evil, we would not have

00:15:14.660 delivered him over to you. Pilate, who was kind of like a governor in the Roman empire, said to them,

00:15:20.320 take him yourselves and judge him by your own law. The Jews said to him, it is not lawful for us to

00:15:25.640 put anyone to death. This was to fulfill the word that Jesus had spoken to show by what kind of death

00:15:31.200 he was going to die. Then in verses 35 through 36, Pilate says to Jesus, your own nation and the

00:15:37.920 chief priests have delivered you over to me. What have you done? Jesus answered, my kingdom is not

00:15:43.960 of this world. Then we see in chapter 19, three through eight, they came up to him saying, hail king

00:15:50.820 of the Jews and struck him with their hands. Pilate went out again and said to them, see, I am bringing

00:15:56.360 him out to you that you may know that I find no guilt in him. So Jesus came out wearing the crown

00:16:01.940 of thorns and the purple robe. Pilate said to them, behold the man. When the chief priests and the

00:16:07.160 officers saw him, they cried out, crucify him, crucify him. Pilate said to them, take him for

00:16:13.020 yourselves and crucify him for I find no guilt in him. The Jews answered him, we have a law. And

00:16:18.480 according to that law, he ought to die because he has made himself the son of God. When Pilate heard the

00:16:24.440 statement, he was even more afraid. And actually after that, in that passage, we won't read the

00:16:30.840 whole thing, but his wife says, I had a dream about this. Pilate is having kind of like a crisis

00:16:35.600 of conscience. He tries to wash his hands of this. Of course, he has a guilty role to play in all of

00:16:40.700 this as well. He is wrestling with this because clearly the mob of Jewish people are demanding that

00:16:48.900 Jesus be crucified for blasphemy. Some people in my messages said, oh, the Jewish people

00:16:54.280 couldn't have had any part in Jesus's execution because they didn't have that kind of power and

00:16:59.200 their laws actually forbade them from crucifying him in this way. But actually we see in scripture

00:17:04.800 that that was acknowledged. And that is why they go through the Roman empire to make sure Jesus is

00:17:09.760 killed. And verses 11 through 12, Jesus answered him, you would have no authority over me at all

00:17:16.140 unless it had been given to you from above. He's talking to Pilate. Therefore, he who delivered

00:17:20.740 over to you has the greater sin. So that is coming from Jesus. From then on, Pilate sought to release

00:17:28.260 him, but the Jews cried out, if you release this man, you are not Caesar's friend. Everyone who makes

00:17:34.080 himself a king opposes Caesar. And so Pilate sees kind of what they're doing. The Jewish people are

00:17:41.100 saying, yeah, he's calling himself God. That's against our law, but here's why you should crucify him.

00:17:46.920 He's also calling himself a king, which puts himself in opposition to Caesar. So that was

00:17:52.040 actually the Jewish people's argument at the time that he was opposing the Roman empire to try to

00:17:57.000 justify his crucifixion. Also in Matthew 27, we read that Pilate gave the Jewish people a choice

00:18:02.440 between crucifying Barabbas, who was a thief, and we read a notorious prisoner crucifying Jesus.

00:18:08.360 The crowd demanded that Jesus was crucified. In Acts 2, 22 through 23, we read,

00:18:14.960 men of Israel, hear these words, Jesus of Nazareth, a man attested to you by God with mighty works and

00:18:21.700 wonders in signs that God did through him in your midst. As you yourselves know, this Jesus delivered

00:18:27.740 up according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God, you crucified and killed by the hands of

00:18:33.860 lawless men. We also read in 1 Thessalonians 2, 14 through 15, for you brothers became imitators of

00:18:40.820 the churches of God in Christ Jesus that are in Judea, for you suffered the same things from your

00:18:45.860 own countrymen as they did from the Jews who killed both the Lord Jesus and the prophets.

00:18:52.560 John 1, 11 through 13, he came to his own and his own people did not receive him, but to all who did

00:18:58.860 receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God who were born not of

00:19:05.320 blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. However, there's a big

00:19:13.740 however after all of these passages. Now, obviously, these passages are extremely clear, and I could go

00:19:20.580 on and on about the Jewish involvement at the time in Jesus's condemnation and crucifixion.

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00:21:32.300 You also probably noticed as I was reading that passage in Acts 2, when we read that men of Israel,

00:21:39.700 you delivered up Jesus to be crucified, but we read in verse 23 of that passage that Jesus was delivered

00:21:46.240 according to the definite plan and the foreknowledge of God. God used lawless people. God used the anger of

00:21:56.920 the mob. God used the power of the Roman Empire to have Jesus crucified, but ultimately Christ in love

00:22:06.060 gave himself up for us. Ephesians 5, 2, and walk in love, God through Paul tells us, as Christ loved us

00:22:14.120 and gave himself up for us, a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God. Jesus's life, his conception,

00:22:23.900 his birth, his teaching, his healing, his death, his burial, his resurrection was prophesied by the

00:22:32.040 Old Testament prophets, and it was preordained by God. Remember, God's eternal plan of redemption

00:22:38.320 always goes off without a hitch. So one example of Old Testament prophecy that was fulfilled by

00:22:45.140 Jesus's death is Isaiah 53, 4 through 5. I really encourage you to read this entire chapter.

00:22:51.360 Surely he has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows, yet we esteemed him stricken,

00:22:55.580 smitten by God and afflicted. But he was pierced for our transgressions. He was crushed for our

00:23:02.400 iniquities. Upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with his wounds we are healed.

00:23:10.620 And so Jesus's death fulfilled that prophecy according to God's perfect will. This is also the

00:23:18.800 important part of all of this, is that the gospel is for everyone. John 3, 16 reminds us that God so

00:23:26.000 loved the world that he gave his own son, that those who believe in him will not perish but have

00:23:31.860 everlasting life. The gospel is both for Jews and Gentiles. We read in 1 Corinthians 1, 22 through 24,

00:23:39.620 for Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom. But we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews

00:23:46.620 and folly to Gentiles, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ, the power of God and

00:23:53.120 the wisdom of God. Therefore, we should not feel, should not express any collective animosity toward

00:24:01.940 the Jewish people. Not only is it anti-biblical, but it also, I have watched, has an inherent property

00:24:11.500 of bringing someone into insanity, it seems. It seems like when people dive into the anti-Jewish

00:24:19.480 conspiracy theories that they eventually lose touch with all different kinds of reality. It really is

00:24:28.560 not very difficult to hold the biblical position of taking authoritatively and clearly what the Bible

00:24:35.240 says about the Jewish people at that time and their involvement in Jesus's crucifixion,

00:24:39.620 and also realize that all people made in the image of God are equally dead without Christ and

00:24:46.180 that it is only through Christ that anyone can be reconciled to God and for us to hope that for all

00:24:51.060 people. We do not hold people today responsible for what their ancestors did 2,000 years ago. That is

00:24:58.220 unjust. We should want them as we want all people to know the gospel. We should feel, I believe,

00:25:05.600 a special connection toward the Jewish people since we share half of the Bible with them and since our

00:25:11.380 Savior was Jewish. We read through Paul, he was the Hebrew of Hebrews. He was the Israelite of

00:25:19.560 Israelites. He was a Jewish leader that was once persecuting and ordering the execution of Christians

00:25:25.480 in the early church. And in Romans, he is talking about the Jewish people and wanting them to know the

00:25:32.680 gospel, to know Christ. He says in Romans 9, 2 through 4,

00:25:36.840 I have great sorrow and unceasing anguish in my heart, for I could wish that I myself were accursed

00:25:43.320 and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers, my kinsmen according to the flesh. They are Israelites

00:25:48.260 and to them belong the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship,

00:25:54.420 and the promises. So that is our heart and our sentiment that should be reflected in our words,

00:26:03.100 in our attitude. I think that there are kind of two poles here. You've got one side who is so

00:26:10.700 hypersensitive to this that they almost, I'm talking about Christians, they almost will not

00:26:16.680 share the gospel with Jewish people because they've believed this myth that maybe the Jewish

00:26:24.400 people have a secondary or another way to get to heaven, that there is some separate plan for

00:26:31.720 them. And that is just not true. I think about this verse, and you guys know if you've been watching

00:26:37.500 this for any amount of time, this is one of the most difficult parts of what I do. Keep talking to

00:26:43.060 you as I'm thinking of the Bible verse and typing it into Bible Gateway. The no other name, let's see,

00:26:50.620 okay, Acts 4.12, and there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven

00:26:56.380 given among men by which we must be saved. And so those who are hypersensitive to even what the Bible

00:27:03.920 has to say about the Jewish people, the obligation that we have to try to bring all people to Christ

00:27:09.460 through the gospel, the power of the Holy Spirit, who cannot even withstand the very real passages about

00:27:15.100 the Jewish leaders and Jesus' crucifixion. And then, of course, you've got the other side,

00:27:20.460 who believes that Jewish people today carry all the guilt of Jewish ancestors that were alive during

00:27:26.760 Jesus' time, that they are specifically or particularly evil, and that we should condemn

00:27:34.160 all Jewish people as on a different level of wickedness. That's just insanity and is not at all

00:27:40.700 reflected in the heart of the gospel, in the heart of Jesus, or what we see in Scripture at all.

00:27:46.420 So, as always, the answer is found in Scripture. The balance is found in Scripture. The clarity that

00:27:54.380 we are looking for is found in the Bible. Now, I've talked a lot about my views on the end times,

00:28:03.240 eschatology, Israel's involvement in biblical prophecy, what I believe about that. I've talked

00:28:10.280 about dispensationalism. I'm not a dispensationalist versus historical premillennialism. And I've talked

00:28:17.740 about what I believe about my view of Israel politically and just practically on various

00:28:24.080 episodes. You can go back, you can watch those episodes. What you will find is that neither of the

00:28:30.440 accusations about me, that I'm some unconditional pro-Israel shill, $7,000, blah, blah, blah, blah,

00:28:37.060 or the other side, that, oh, you know, my beliefs as a Christian are somehow anti-Semitic. Neither of

00:28:43.320 them is true. And I just try my best as fallibly but as diligently as I can to seek answers in

00:28:50.240 Scripture. We've got other questions from you guys that I want to answer. These are questions that I've

00:28:56.960 gotten a few times, but hopefully we'll add clarity to the things that you guys are thinking about.

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00:30:31.000 Okay, let's go through some of the questions that you guys have. We're going to be talking about,

00:30:36.980 if we have time, nephalum, but then also this question that I get all the time, every time I put

00:30:43.500 up a question box, and for some reason, every time I did an interview with Charlie Kirk, he loved to ask

00:30:50.800 this question because he knew what I was going to say, but he loved for me, I guess, as a Christian

00:30:55.300 woman to answer it. And this is the question, can women be pastors? Can women be pastors? And the

00:31:02.280 short answer is no. No. We read in 1 Timothy 2, 12 through 14. Context is important. He is speaking

00:31:10.800 within the context of talking about the orderliness of the local church. I do not permit a woman to

00:31:16.400 teach her to exercise authority over a man. Rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first,

00:31:22.200 then Eve, and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor.

00:31:28.040 And so really, what we're reading here is he goes all the way back to creation. Some people say,

00:31:31.860 oh, it was because culturally at the time, there were women in church who were shouting in church.

00:31:37.280 Yeah, clearly that's still a problem that just happened in St. Paul with that BLM woman who

00:31:43.000 was coming into the church and yelling. So yeah, this directive would have been great for her woman,

00:31:47.940 be quiet in the church, but really it's in general. He goes all the way back to creation. And whenever we

00:31:53.000 see anyone in Scripture in the New Testament go back to creation, that tells us that this is grounded

00:31:59.460 in something that is unchanging. For example, in Genesis 9, when God commands the death penalty for

00:32:06.660 murder, he goes all the way back to the creation reality that man was made in God's image. That is

00:32:11.760 still true today, which is why I believe we should still give the death penalty for murder. When Jesus

00:32:17.760 is talking about the definition of marriage and gender, he's answering a trick question about

00:32:21.980 divorce from the Pharisees in Matthew 19, 4 through 5. He goes all the way back to the beginning.

00:32:27.500 Have you not read? So this tells me that he is going all the way back to creation,

00:32:33.480 that this is something that is still true today. Adam was formed first, then Eve. Adam was not

00:32:38.660 deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. We can debate what that actually

00:32:44.380 means, but the simple fact that he goes back to Adam and Eve tells us something really important.

00:32:49.440 So the question is, what can women do biblically? Women are encouraged to teach other women and to

00:32:56.420 teach children. Titus 2, 3 through 5 paints a beautiful picture of this, that women are to love their

00:33:03.060 husbands. They're to love their children. They're not to be slaves to much wine. They're to be

00:33:07.760 self-controlled. They're to be pure. They're to be working at home, kind, submissive to their own

00:33:12.840 husbands, that the word of God may not be reviled. So that's really a testimony to people. Likewise,

00:33:18.520 urge the younger men to be self-controlled. So self-control seems to be something that is

00:33:22.860 really important for all demographics, but especially these younger demographics. Also,

00:33:29.560 we read in 2 Timothy 1, 5, I am reminded of your sincere faith, a faith that dwelt first in your

00:33:35.180 grandmother Lois and your mother Eunice, and now I am sure dwells in you as well. Women should know

00:33:41.660 the word. We should understand it. We should be able to teach it. We are primarily called to be

00:33:47.880 instructing women, instructing children, discipling them, raising them up, equipping them in what is good,

00:33:56.220 right, and true. These are honorable roles. And something that I say is capability does not equal

00:34:03.200 calling. Obviously, I can talk. Obviously, I can explain things. I like to communicate. I love the

00:34:10.280 word of God. I love breaking things down, but I am not called to be a pastor in a local church. I am

00:34:16.460 not called to preach in a pulpit in a local church. That is not my role. That is not any woman's role.

00:34:23.240 The pastor is supposed to also not just be a preacher and understand the word of God. He is

00:34:28.620 also to be a shepherd, someone who is to protect them from the flock. And I just think about, again,

00:34:35.080 that catastrophe in St. Paul with City's Church, and you had Pastor Jonathan Parnell taking the heat,

00:34:41.440 going out front for his community and his church, rather, and making sure his congregation was okay,

00:34:47.240 and kind of going to battle very quickly with Don Lemon there. That is a masculine role. That is a

00:34:53.360 manly role. And he fulfilled that role very well. But that is the distinction there, that women

00:35:03.240 are called to teach in certain contexts, but not in leadership in the local church exercising

00:35:10.780 that authority over men. Okay, next question that I've gotten a few times, and we are going to

00:35:17.660 look to the wisdom of my friend, scholar Wes Hoff, and answering the question, what is the book of

00:35:24.180 Enoch? And he's written a lot about this, and this is his area of expertise. And he explained on

00:35:30.420 Instagram, because this question is so common, that the book of Enoch is made up of writing that is

00:35:35.300 not considered to be in the canon of Scripture. It's never been embraced by most Christian and

00:35:41.400 Jewish traditions as part of the divinely inspired canon. Some Ethiopian Orthodox traditions have,

00:35:49.760 but not most Christian traditions. It's considered an ancient Jewish apocalyptic text. It is attributed

00:35:55.820 to Enoch. If you remember Enoch in the Bible, we were just reading about that in our own Bible time.

00:36:01.000 He is the great-grandfather of Noah. This is considered to be not actually written by the

00:36:07.980 person that it's named for. It describes the rebellion of angels called watchers who descend to

00:36:13.800 the earth, mate with human women. This sounds a lot like Genesis 6 and the Nephilim that we read about

00:36:22.880 there. That's another question that I got, actually. But in the book of Enoch, these wicked giants

00:36:27.640 led to widespread corruption and violence that prompts God's judgment through the flood.

00:36:34.180 Enoch receives heavenly visions and journeys, learning cosmic secrets such as the movements

00:36:39.420 of the stars, heavenly bodies, as well as moral teachings on righteousness versus wickedness.

00:36:44.400 And the book includes apocalyptic parables and dreams that foresee the final judgment,

00:36:49.760 the punishment of the wicked and fallen angels, vindication of the righteous, and the coming of

00:36:54.980 a messianic figure, often linked to the Son of Man. And so that's why people are so interested in it.

00:37:01.980 And we'll actually put up a picture that Wes Huff used to kind of explain what it is with the Book of

00:37:09.780 Visions and the parables. And there's a reason why people are so interested in this. And all kind of

00:37:17.720 non-canonical books because it feels like you're uncovering a secret that maybe someone didn't want

00:37:24.260 you to know. But there is good reason why the books that are not included in the 66 books of Scripture

00:37:30.460 are not included. And actually, we are planning to do an entire episode about how the 66 books were

00:37:37.720 chosen and canonized. It certainly was not arbitrary. And so Wes Huff's position is that these

00:37:44.880 non-canonical books can give us interesting answers to things, even if they are not divinely inspired,

00:37:53.000 or at least that's how I've heard him talk about many of these texts. And so I don't think it's bad

00:37:59.700 to read the Book of Enoch. Personally, that's my opinion. I don't think it's bad to read some of these

00:38:04.540 other books. But we should just do that with care and understanding why it was not included,

00:38:11.500 why it was not referenced by Jesus, why it was not referenced by any of the New Testament apostles,

00:38:18.540 and take it as it is meant to be taken. Okay, that's kind of a very concise, abbreviated answer

00:38:24.840 on that. We can do a whole episode on the Book of Enoch and some of these other books.

00:38:29.960 There are unanswered prayers, this next question asker says, that have left her feeling very angry

00:38:37.560 at God. And for that answer, because that's a totally common, very normal, understandable

00:38:44.880 question, and I want to make sure that I answer that correctly. And we'll go to 2 Corinthians 12

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00:39:54.660 code Allie10. Unanswered prayers that leave us feeling angry and bitter at the Lord. I will not

00:40:07.660 pretend to know what you are going through and to just say, well, you can quickly pray it away or it's

00:40:14.180 going to be okay or the Bible says this. Of course, I'm going to go to Scripture because the Word of God

00:40:19.920 is sharper than any double-edged sword. And in the Word of God, we find all that we need

00:40:24.280 for godliness and contentment and satisfaction and wisdom. However, I do just want to acknowledge

00:40:30.880 that your circumstances could be so much bigger and more difficult than something that I have gone

00:40:37.100 through. So I don't want it to sound like I'm not able to relate to you or that I'm just dismissing or

00:40:42.960 minimizing your problems. Some of you are going through such great betrayal and pain that very few

00:40:49.640 people have ever gone through. And I just want you to know something for sure that I might not

00:40:54.480 understand it. Maybe I can't empathize with every feeling that you have, but we have a great high

00:41:00.640 priest who was weak bodily here on earth and who has gone through every emotion that we have gone

00:41:08.360 through, has been tempted in every way, yet was without sin. We don't serve a high priest who is

00:41:14.640 unable to sympathize with our weaknesses. He's able to sympathize in every way. He is also the

00:41:20.380 God who sees you. He is the God who knows you. He knows the depths of your heart, the depths of your

00:41:24.880 pain, who did what, who said what, who is right, and who is wrong. And he is with you completely,

00:41:31.620 unconditionally. If you are a Christian, you have the Holy Spirit dwelling inside you. And one day there

00:41:37.240 will be no more pain, no more betrayal and no more sickness, no more sorrow. That is what we know for

00:41:44.540 sure. But it's also a comfort to know that those who are so close to the Lord in the Bible, the

00:41:50.560 greatest missionary to ever live, Paul, that he also wrestled with this, that he also wrestled with

00:41:57.880 feeling like, gosh, I'm asking God to do this thing for me. And he hasn't done it yet. This is from

00:42:03.760 2 Corinthians 12. So to keep me from becoming conceited because of the surpassing greatness of

00:42:09.940 the revelations, and for context on the revelations, you can read the whole passage,

00:42:13.720 a thorn was given me in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to harass me, to keep me from becoming

00:42:19.000 conceited. Three times, Paul says, I pleaded with the Lord about this, that it should leave me.

00:42:24.240 But he said to me, my grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.

00:42:30.800 Therefore, Paul says, I will boast all the more gladly of my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ

00:42:35.980 may rest upon me. For the sake of Christ, then, I am content with weaknesses, insults, hardships,

00:42:42.620 persecutions, and calamities. For when I am weak, then I am strong. So right there, we see a really

00:42:49.580 beautiful and I think comforting picture of why sometimes God does not answer our prayers in

00:42:55.520 accordance with what we want. Because he is so much, as we talk about a lot, more concerned with

00:43:01.980 our persisting holiness than he is our superficial or temporary happiness. And ultimately, he knows

00:43:10.120 where real joy and satisfaction is found is through our sanctification. That is that process of holiness

00:43:16.440 that is always happening in our lives. As Jesus strips us of ourselves, our selfish desires, our sins,

00:43:22.840 our pride, our bitterness, our anger to make us more like himself until we get to glory. He knows

00:43:30.260 that's where our true contentment is found. And so sometimes he doesn't answer our prayer to relieve

00:43:37.920 us of something, to relieve us of a source of anxiety, relieve us of sickness, to heal us. You'll hear a lot of

00:43:44.720 the prosperity gospel mongers tell you that you have a right to physical healing. You have a right to

00:43:51.880 wealth. You have a right to comfort because what father would allow their children to be sick or to

00:43:58.740 be poor or to not get the promotion? That is such a wrong depiction of who God is. God the Father,

00:44:05.640 who is love, who is perfect, foreordained his son to die a gruesome death on a cross

00:44:14.200 that he didn't deserve to die. So of course, he will allow us to go through horrible things here on

00:44:20.700 earth to accomplish whatever he wants to accomplish. That's not something that's easy for me to accept,

00:44:25.900 by the way. So I don't want you to think that I'm preaching this from a place of having that figured

00:44:30.100 out or just accepting that with gladness. That's really difficult. I mean, that's part of living

00:44:36.140 on this other side of eternity, but that is also the hope that we have in Christ, that one day we

00:44:42.280 will see perfect justice and happiness and peace and wholeness. Understandable to feel a bit of anger

00:44:49.920 at God, but just remember, go back to Job. Job might be a really good book for you to read in its totality

00:44:55.820 right now. When Job lashes out at God, when he just starts to break a little bit and he starts to

00:45:03.740 question God and why he ended up where he was, God answers him out of a whirlwind. I hear a lot of

00:45:11.440 people say, it's fine to shake your fist at God. He can handle it. It's fine to be angry at God. Sure,

00:45:17.540 he can handle it. God is not fragile, but I'm not so sure I would encourage people in that direction.

00:45:24.520 Like, we see that God puts Job in his place by reminding him who he is, that he is creator,

00:45:32.900 that he is king, that his wisdom and power surpasses everything, and who are we to question

00:45:39.360 his will? Sure, can he handle our sadness? Absolutely, but just be careful in your anger

00:45:45.140 and in your sadness not to sin or question the sovereignty or goodness of God. That's exactly

00:45:49.560 where Satan wants us. Another question, this might seem a little silly, but a lot of people

00:45:54.900 actually have this question, is our spirit gendered? No, nothing in scripture points to this idea of our

00:46:02.220 soul and spirit possibly having a separate gender from our biological sex. Actually, if you remember

00:46:08.200 my Jubilee debate, I went back and forth on this with someone sitting across from me. I was supposed to

00:46:14.860 be talking to 20 liberal Christians, and her justification for transgenderism was that someone

00:46:20.360 could have a gendered spirit. And I said, oh, I don't think that we see that in scripture at all.

00:46:25.320 That's not a Christian belief. And she said, well, I'm a part of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day

00:46:29.880 Saints. And so I don't know if this is a tenet of Mormonism. There is definitely a different belief

00:46:36.540 about the spirit and what it is, a different belief about eternity, different belief about Jesus,

00:46:42.460 different belief about time past, different belief about heaven, all different kinds of things that

00:46:47.460 are so far out of the orthodoxy of any denomination of Christianity. But certainly I thought that that

00:46:53.520 was an interesting assertion that I have not heard other Mormons, by the way, believe. So I can't say

00:46:58.980 every Mormon believes this. You also hear this from New Age people, from secular people,

00:47:04.760 to justify transgenderism. We see in Genesis 1 that God made us male and female. Sex is a

00:47:12.360 biological reality. I really encourage everyone to read Love Thy Body by Nancy Piercy. She talks about

00:47:19.540 this philosophy of dualism, how it's led a lot of people astray to separate the spirit from the body

00:47:25.360 and to say the spirit has the authority over the body. That's not true. God cares about the body.

00:47:31.440 It's a temple of the Holy Spirit. Now, the next question is, why is exegesis better than

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00:49:03.040 You've probably heard me talk about exegesis versus eisegesis before. Exegesis originates from

00:49:09.640 the Greek word, oh, I'm sorry if I don't pronounce this correctly, exegeomai, which means report or

00:49:17.140 explain or describe. So this is the process of drawing meaning out of a text to understand and

00:49:23.260 convey its original intent. That quote is by Dr. Bob Green of Grand Canyon University College of

00:49:29.360 Theology. Ligonier Associate Editor Kevin Gardner explains it like this,

00:49:35.380 in our day, we often hear that no one's point of view is to be privileged over another, that no one

00:49:40.380 has a monopoly on truth, and that everything ultimately is a matter of opinion. This view is

00:49:44.420 even applied to scripture, to the point where the meaning of the Bible appears to be up for grabs

00:49:49.260 and infinitely malleable. But the Reformed tradition, for those of you who don't know, I'm a Reformed

00:49:54.360 Baptist, have episodes on what that means, has consistently rejected this view for the simple

00:49:59.100 reason that scripture is the word of God, and God cares about how his word is read. Ultimately,

00:50:03.800 scripture must be read as God directs. So there's a very methodical way to read scripture

00:50:11.360 in a way that pulls the meaning out of the text rather than reading meaning into the text. So

00:50:16.940 exegesis, reading the passage word for word, in context, with historical context. I think footnotes

00:50:26.240 in the ESV study Bible really helps to understand if a literary device is being used to even understand

00:50:34.120 the original Greek and Hebrew. They're really easy books to help you figure that out. And then to say,

00:50:39.700 okay, what does this mean? What does this mean in light of scripture? What does this mean in light

00:50:45.480 of history? That is how we pull meaning out of the text. Eisegesis is reading meaning into the text.

00:50:52.520 So that is like, oh, if I want to try to find a verse to justify homosexuality, someone could look at

00:51:04.120 1 John 4, 8. God is love. Oh, well, God is love. Love is love. And if God is loving, then that means

00:51:12.420 that he wants me to love however I want to love. There's all different kinds of ways that you could

00:51:17.940 read meaning into a text. Philippians 4, 13. I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.

00:51:22.700 That means God's going to give me the power to make this soccer goal this afternoon. But when we do

00:51:27.620 that, we actually cheapen scripture and we elevate the God of self over the God of scripture. We make

00:51:33.020 ourselves gods. And that of course leads us into all kinds of idolatry and the affirmation of sin,

00:51:39.900 which of course leads to death for us. So as Protestants, we do believe in relying

00:51:45.740 on theologians and on good, solid teachers that care about the word of God. But we do believe that

00:51:53.060 scripture is the ultimate authority because it is the only infallible and inerrant source of truth

00:51:59.700 that we have. So when you are looking at a church, when you are trying to decide which church you want

00:52:05.260 to go to, you want to make sure that you are going to a church that has a pastor, that studies,

00:52:12.980 preaches the Bible word for word, that is telling you what scripture means, how it points to Jesus,

00:52:19.580 how it points to God's glory. Yes, how it applies to you and the sins that you need to repent of,

00:52:24.820 the actions that you need to take, but they are handling the word of God very carefully,

00:52:29.980 not some big grand show that really makes it all about you or is really just like a motivational

00:52:35.780 speech with Bible verses added in here and there. That church is ultimately going to waver

00:52:43.220 when times get tough. That is not a true shepherd of the flock. That is a shepherd that is allowing

00:52:48.600 wolves into its congregation. And so that is what we all try to do to the best of our ability is to

00:52:55.720 exegete scripture, pull meaning out of scripture rather than putting our own meaning into scripture.

00:53:03.500 All right. We got so many other things that we could have talked about today. As always,

00:53:07.700 we have a whole other segment that we could be giving you. Shout out to producers and researcher

00:53:13.340 for relatable. They do such an incredible job of working so hard. And sometimes right before we're

00:53:19.440 about to record, we say, ah, actually we want to talk about something else, which can make things

00:53:24.040 difficult. However, they are awesome. And we always end up using the research in one way or another.

00:53:29.680 So we will be back here on Wednesday, maybe talking about those things or maybe talking about something

00:53:35.440 entirely. Who knows? Things move fast. Thanks for listening to and watching relatable. If you love this

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Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - February 09, 2026

Ep 1301 ｜ 'The Jews Killed Jesus'： Blood Libel or Biblical Truth？

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