Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - February 20, 2026


Ep 1306 ｜ Bigger Than Iran： Trump’s Plan to Topple the New World Order ｜ Justin Haskins


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00:00:15.680 What really happened at Davos this year?
00:00:18.300 What is going on with the World Economic Forum nowadays?
00:00:21.980 Today's guest, Justin Haskins, is going to break down everything that's happening that did not make the headlines.
00:00:29.040 This is one of your favorite guests, and I think this is going to be one of your favorite conversations.
00:00:34.260 We've got so much on today's episode of Relatable.
00:00:46.460 Justin, welcome back.
00:00:47.900 Yeah, it's great to be here.
00:00:49.000 It's been a while.
00:00:50.100 It has been a while, but we always have to bring you on after Davos happens to kind of break down, all right, what went on and what did we miss?
00:00:58.860 When we talked right before the election, we talked about that law in Europe that was going to be passed that would have a huge impact on all industries, all companies, pretty much, both here and abroad.
00:01:11.900 And Trump kind of stood in the way of that law taking effect here in the United States.
00:01:19.180 Do you have an update for us?
00:01:21.720 This is a big question, really about the whole global reset that we've been talking about for five years, that you've been talking about for longer than that.
00:01:29.300 So the law you're referring to is called the Corporate Sustainability Due Diligence Directive, the CSDDD.
00:01:36.120 It's basically a global social credit score ESG system where the European Union is using their they're saying, if you want to do any kind of business at all in the European Union, you have to everywhere in the world have our ESG scores, our social credit scores, adopt our European values.
00:01:54.720 That was the idea behind it, and it was a really terrible thing.
00:01:59.240 And if Biden had been president or Kamala Harris, that would have continued on and we would have been in a really bad situation because corporations would have been slowly moving toward our pushing our society toward Europe, European values.
00:02:13.620 And most people wouldn't really understand why, but the reason why is because if you want to do any kind of business at all with Europe, you have to not only do it for yourself, but you have to do it throughout most of your supply chains.
00:02:26.660 All the other businesses you work with also have to adopt these European values.
00:02:30.840 So if you're Walmart or some big, gigantic corporation and you contract with a farmer in Kansas who has nothing to do with Europe at all, you still have to force that farmer to adopt European values in order for you, Walmart, to do business in Europe.
00:02:46.240 That's the genius of the of the model forces everyone to be like Europe.
00:02:49.840 And what Trump did is when he came in as part of his negotiating as negotiations about trade deals is he just flat out said, like, we're not doing this.
00:02:59.400 You're going to have to you're going to have to go back to the drawing board because there's no way we're going to adopt this.
00:03:04.220 And and if you try to impose it on us, then we're going to impose tariffs on you and it's going to be disaster for you.
00:03:10.340 So they panicked and almost immediately after him becoming president and saying these things started peeling parts of it back.
00:03:17.620 They delayed it. Now they're talking about gutting a lot of it.
00:03:22.440 And it was some of the more liberal people in the European Union, actually, like the prime minister of France and stuff saying, yeah, we're going to have to completely change this.
00:03:32.480 So he had a a tremendous impact. It's not totally gone and they could easily just bring it right back.
00:03:38.120 And they haven't repealed it, really. They're just sort of delaying it and waiting and trying to work with Trump on a deal that he'll accept.
00:03:44.860 So it's still a long term problem, but it is in a much better situation now because of Trump and his pushback on it.
00:03:53.040 Yeah. So that's a really good thing as far as just sort of woke ism within corporations and the sort of the great reset plan of public private partnerships, pushing everybody towards that.
00:04:05.420 In one sense, it's taken a massive hit, obviously, you know, you've seen it, you talk about it all the time.
00:04:12.480 So there's no question about that. On the other hand, when you pay attention to what they're saying at Davos, you pay really close attention to it and you don't just look at headlines and buzzwords.
00:04:23.040 It's pretty clear that the plan is still the plan. Yeah.
00:04:26.220 They just are really careful about how they go about doing it because they're afraid of some Trump backlash, frankly.
00:04:35.240 Well, 2020, obviously, they pushed too far. We didn't see the results of that until after 2020.
00:04:40.840 Obviously, the push worked to get Biden in office in November of 2020.
00:04:45.960 But I think once we kind of woke up from that stupor of 2020, a lot of us never fell asleep, but a lot of people did.
00:04:54.220 People realized, oh, I don't like that.
00:04:57.200 Like, I don't like the government having that much control over my life, how I breathe, how I move.
00:05:02.220 Also, these companies like Target pushing for the transing of kids.
00:05:07.800 OK, like we went way past love is love to that.
00:05:11.500 And it was just too much, too fast.
00:05:13.320 And it made a lot of people turn around to go the exact opposite direction, which is why I was in Southern California this June Pride Month.
00:05:21.060 I walked into two different targets, saw zero rainbows and all Fourth of July stuff.
00:05:26.180 So they do respond, even though these huge companies that are woke, like BlackRock, have a lot of power there.
00:05:33.800 The consumer still does have power.
00:05:36.000 Obviously, Trump got elected.
00:05:37.720 So that means we do still have power.
00:05:40.340 But what you're saying is it's not like these people at Davos, like the Alex Soros and some of these other world leaders are saying, oh, OK, I'm not progressive anymore.
00:05:49.560 And I don't you do you.
00:05:51.100 They're recalibrating and they're re-strategizing.
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00:06:58.160 We could go so many different directions with WEF, but as we look at kind of the power structures
00:07:08.760 in the world that are shaping up and shifting based on what we just talked about, based on
00:07:15.320 Trump taking office, things look different than they did even five years ago.
00:07:19.500 We've got a new, new world order that seems to be shaping up.
00:07:23.580 Can you tell us about that?
00:07:24.620 Yeah, this is so important.
00:07:27.260 Most people don't understand it, but we are living through essentially a Cold War right
00:07:32.440 now.
00:07:33.140 And it's not being publicized that way or talked about that way, but that is basically what's
00:07:39.900 going on.
00:07:40.460 The reason why we've had so much activity with Venezuela and the Trump administration going
00:07:46.840 to Venezuela and basically taking Maduro and bringing him back to America, the Trump administration
00:07:53.360 bombed Nigeria around Christmastime.
00:07:57.520 Most people didn't even know that that was going on.
00:07:59.680 Nigeria is the largest country in Africa.
00:08:02.360 The reason that we're seeing potentially a war in Iran, the stuff that's been going on
00:08:08.820 in Ukraine and all these things are related to each other.
00:08:12.620 And what's happening is the Trump administration is taking this approach that we need to build
00:08:19.760 a new, well, basically everyone in the world is now saying we need to build new world orders,
00:08:24.980 different ones.
00:08:25.820 The Trump administration's version of that is America is the top dog in the world, and
00:08:31.740 we're going to build an alliance of other nations who will benefit from that and see the benefit
00:08:36.920 of having that arrangement.
00:08:37.840 But ultimately, we're going to set the stage, especially in our own hemisphere.
00:08:40.780 Yeah, that's who we are.
00:08:42.040 That's the Trump administration's model.
00:08:43.680 Love it.
00:08:44.420 The Biden administration's model, Kamala's model, and Europe's model is basically America,
00:08:50.500 the progressives in America and the progressives in Canada and in Europe, all team up together
00:08:55.360 and impose their will on the rest of the world.
00:08:57.500 And their will is progressivism, you know, left wing values, all of that stuff.
00:09:02.560 Then you have the other parties, which are essentially people who support something called a
00:09:09.840 multi-polar world.
00:09:12.080 And what that means is we don't want to live in a world where America and Europe tell us
00:09:16.900 what to do anymore.
00:09:17.980 We want to do what we want to do.
00:09:20.580 Those powers are mostly China and Russia and Iran was part of all of that and others.
00:09:29.640 OK, so especially in wake of the invasion of Ukraine, the reaction from the Biden administration
00:09:36.620 to that was we we in Europe are going to get together.
00:09:40.040 We're going to destroy you, Russia, through the financial system.
00:09:43.480 That's how we're going to do it.
00:09:44.920 We're going to put all these sanctions on you.
00:09:46.840 We're going to debank you.
00:09:48.480 We're going to take your money.
00:09:49.980 And you have all this money in banks all over the world.
00:09:52.980 We're going to keep it.
00:09:53.820 We're not giving it back to you.
00:09:55.100 So the international financial system that's involved with trade and all of this, we're
00:09:59.680 going to shut it off to you so that you can't have that.
00:10:02.160 And we're basically going to destroy your economy through all of these means.
00:10:06.160 This was their reaction to that.
00:10:08.460 Whether that's a good thing or not, it's a totally separate question.
00:10:11.200 But that's what they wanted to do.
00:10:12.800 So Russia and its allies, especially China, said, wow, that's really bad.
00:10:18.680 Because if they'll do it to Russia in this case, they could do it to any of us if they
00:10:23.680 just don't like what we're doing.
00:10:25.040 So if we don't adopt their way of doing things, they're going to destroy us through this financial
00:10:29.140 system.
00:10:29.580 So we need our own global financial order.
00:10:32.680 We need to get rid of the dollar.
00:10:34.480 Stop using that.
00:10:35.460 We need to create our own currency, create our own trade alliances, create our own system
00:10:39.140 for doing international infrastructure and international financial arrangements.
00:10:44.520 We have to build all that ourselves.
00:10:45.960 And so they started doing that.
00:10:47.480 They created this alliance called BRICS.
00:10:49.980 B-R-I-C-S.
00:10:51.640 It's an acronym that stands for Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa.
00:10:58.520 Okay.
00:10:58.960 And then they added a bunch of other countries to it.
00:11:01.620 And so that's their version of the new world order.
00:11:04.420 We're going to create our own alliance of countries that are built around what do they
00:11:09.780 all have in common?
00:11:10.740 They all have massive populations, massive manufacturing.
00:11:15.280 They have lots of natural resources like oil and gold and rare earth minerals.
00:11:22.100 They have processings, global supply chains.
00:11:25.200 And they're saying, we're going to build a new global economy around us with us at the
00:11:28.880 center.
00:11:29.720 And we don't have to listen to the West anymore.
00:11:33.380 Europe is dying.
00:11:35.000 America is overextended.
00:11:37.320 And they're weak and pathetic.
00:11:38.940 This is all happening under Biden, remember.
00:11:41.100 And we are going to go to a totally different model that doesn't listen to them.
00:11:45.280 So you have these three competing views going on now.
00:11:48.800 Everything that the Trump administration is doing, foreign policy-wise, is completely
00:11:53.780 related to this competition that is existing right now.
00:11:58.280 When they make deals with Middle Eastern countries over AI and stuff like that, which the Trump
00:12:03.460 administration has done a lot of that.
00:12:04.900 They're trying to build a new coalition with the United Arab Emirates and others who are interested
00:12:10.020 in AI development.
00:12:11.580 That's part of building this new coalition.
00:12:13.740 When we go to Venezuela, which was becoming essentially a proxy state allied closely with
00:12:21.240 the BRICS countries and wanted to be a full member of BRICS and almost got in, that was
00:12:27.160 designed to try to take some power away from Russia and China and Iran in our hemisphere.
00:12:33.620 They don't want foreign countries in our hemisphere.
00:12:36.340 The BRICS nations messing things up here, having influence here.
00:12:40.780 Greenland is 100% same thing.
00:12:44.220 We want to make sure that we have the ability to protect ourselves against Russia.
00:12:48.980 And Russia has the ability to, you know, through the Arctic, potentially bring submarines down.
00:12:54.260 And there's all these national security concerns over Greenland.
00:12:57.200 The bombing of Nigeria, which happened around Christmastime.
00:13:00.700 Nigeria is an ally of BRICS and they are the largest country in Africa.
00:13:05.620 They could become the superpower of Africa in the next several years.
00:13:08.540 They're going to have a larger population than the United States, probably by around 2050.
00:13:13.760 And we want to make sure that, again, this is all about picking the trade wars with China.
00:13:19.660 The stuff that's going on with Ukraine and Russia, it's all tied together.
00:13:24.420 Trump is trying to build a coalition of countries who see the world, who are, you know, willing
00:13:29.840 to work with us on a common economic agenda.
00:13:34.900 And for the most part, we'll let them do what they want to do in their own part of the world.
00:13:38.720 We're not going to get involved in that for the most part, but we have some commonalities.
00:13:42.940 Um, but we're not going to be tied to Europe anymore like we were before because they're
00:13:48.580 dying and they try to impose their will on us.
00:13:51.280 And that will is a progressive will.
00:13:52.960 And so everything that's happening right now is tied to this.
00:13:55.780 The world global dynamic is completely changing since World War II.
00:13:59.940 It is basically been the same.
00:14:02.460 It's been Europe and America charting the course, leading the world, deciding what happens,
00:14:08.660 going around, playing cop, basically all over the planet, in some cases, having colonies
00:14:14.260 and then getting rid of colonies and doing regime change.
00:14:16.980 And that's been the world.
00:14:19.140 China and these other countries didn't have enough power, economic might to compete with
00:14:23.260 that.
00:14:23.600 Now they're starting to have that.
00:14:25.440 And the world is breaking up into these three different alliances.
00:14:29.200 And depending on how this all shakes up, the future of the planet is either going to be
00:14:34.400 led by America and its allies and the West being its, uh, the Western hemisphere being
00:14:40.300 its own separate source of power, or it's going to be China and Russia and other of the
00:14:45.800 BRICS nations, or it's going to be a Biden administration like alliance with Europe trying
00:14:53.220 to impose progressivism on the rest of the world.
00:14:55.460 Those are our three paths.
00:14:57.140 Yeah.
00:14:57.700 And Trump, we know where he stands, but we don't know how this is all going to shake up.
00:15:02.540 Yeah, it really does kind of rise and fall on the United States and who the president
00:15:08.460 is.
00:15:08.860 It's not just him as an individual, but all the people that he puts in power, like who
00:15:12.600 he puts in power as the secretary of state, as the secretary of war, as all of those different,
00:15:18.380 you know, uh, I won't say policymakers, but, uh, the people who are carrying out the policies
00:15:23.000 that really have an impact, not just on us, but also internationally as well.
00:15:27.520 It makes a big difference.
00:15:28.740 And that's what people need to know is that there will be a world power.
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00:15:39.420 Not to say that America is perfect by any means, but if these are our options, then you have
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00:16:52.500 Now at the WEF, was there anything that you were surprised that you were surprised by at
00:16:59.200 Davos?
00:16:59.820 Things that were said that you think people need to know about that maybe didn't make headlines?
00:17:04.840 Yeah.
00:17:05.040 So the, I think the biggest thing that didn't make headlines from, from Davos, the biggest
00:17:10.540 headliner from Davos was really the two competing visions that we just talked about being expressed
00:17:15.900 in one case by Trump himself, just attacking Europe and saying America is going to lead
00:17:21.580 the world.
00:17:21.960 And you guys are either with us or against us.
00:17:23.840 And then Mark Carney, the prime minister of Canada, who's a big Davos guy, big ESG guy,
00:17:29.800 basically saying, no, we need to do it, you know, sort of the old model version of go
00:17:35.160 back to what Davos is really all about and international cooperation and blah, blah, blah,
00:17:39.900 blah, blah.
00:17:40.360 Those were the, that was the big headliner.
00:17:42.260 But I think the most important thing that came out of Davos is the importance of artificial
00:17:46.860 intelligence.
00:17:48.140 In panel after panel after panel, what are the elites talking about?
00:17:53.240 What are they most concerned about?
00:17:54.800 It's clearly artificial intelligence.
00:17:57.140 What they want to do is make sure that AI is designed with their values so that when
00:18:03.480 the, as the world continues to adopt artificial intelligence over a long period of time, and
00:18:08.280 AI becomes more influential and powerful in our world, it's with a Davos, you know, core
00:18:15.120 Davos infrastructure.
00:18:16.900 That's the focus very, very clearly.
00:18:19.420 And if you chart the focus on AI, Davos has been talking about AI for a long time, but
00:18:25.000 if you talk about the focus of AI at the conference itself, the number of panels, number of people
00:18:30.160 talking about it over a period of time compared to other things, what we're seeing is climate
00:18:36.220 change, ESG, all of that kind of stuff has been trending downwards and emerging technologies
00:18:43.020 like AI have been trending rapidly upwards.
00:18:46.140 And that seems to be the focus for a lot of these people now.
00:18:50.660 Are you concerned about the focus on AI or do you think it's just a reaction to how powerful
00:18:56.220 we're seeing it's going to be?
00:18:58.520 Oh, I'm terrified of it.
00:19:00.080 Yeah.
00:19:00.400 We talked about, what's that word that we talked about last time that when AI becomes
00:19:04.520 so powerful, it basically becomes as smart as the human brain and we kind of merge together.
00:19:09.060 Yeah.
00:19:09.440 So there's artificial intelligence we have now, then you have artificial general intelligence
00:19:16.240 is the next stage of development where AI becomes basically as smart as a human being
00:19:22.620 so that it can do a lot because AI is already better at human than humans at a lot of things,
00:19:28.500 but they're narrow.
00:19:29.340 So we usually call it artificial narrow intelligence can be really good at like doing math, for example,
00:19:36.480 but not very good at doing math and, you know, taking your kids to school and 50 other things,
00:19:42.940 painting a picture.
00:19:43.740 It can't do all of it really well.
00:19:45.120 You have to have different systems specialized.
00:19:47.660 General intelligence means it's basically as good as humans at pretty much everything.
00:19:51.940 And then once you hit that level, very shortly after that, most AI experts believe you get
00:19:58.580 artificial super intelligence, ASI, where now it is far more powerful than people.
00:20:05.460 And at that point, it's so powerful, we can't really control it or even fully know what it's
00:20:10.320 doing.
00:20:11.180 And at Davos this year, they had a whole panel dedicated to artificial general intelligence
00:20:17.240 and what do we do when AI inevitably becomes just as smart as human beings and how do we
00:20:23.380 make sure that AI is sustainable and that it's essentially woke, you know, is what they're
00:20:29.100 going for.
00:20:30.700 That's a huge focus of theirs and it has been for a long time.
00:20:34.160 It's just now becoming significantly more important because of how rapidly AI is being deployed
00:20:39.440 and adopted.
00:20:40.040 I feel myself aging as technology becomes more and more, as it changes more and more.
00:20:47.760 Like I just don't like people outsourcing their brains to chat GPT.
00:20:54.200 I think it has its uses.
00:20:56.120 And like I use Grok for different things, looking different things up.
00:21:00.400 But even when like people use it to write emails or write, I don't like it.
00:21:05.380 First of all, I feel duped when I find out that it's been written by chat GPT.
00:21:11.680 And I'm like, use your brain.
00:21:13.800 What happens to us as individuals when we start voluntarily outsourcing our God-given
00:21:20.260 critical thinking faculties to a computer?
00:21:24.020 Like not what does it do to AI, but what does it do to us as people when we are willingly
00:21:29.980 making ourselves replaceable?
00:21:32.380 That's something that worries me, just that we're exchanging like human nature for something
00:21:39.500 robot.
00:21:41.420 And we all thought it would be like iRobot or one of those movies where robots are taking
00:21:46.360 us over and we're fighting back.
00:21:48.020 It's not that at all.
00:21:48.860 We're like, here, have my brain.
00:21:50.700 Have what makes me human.
00:21:52.100 This unique thing that distinguishes me from an animal.
00:21:55.580 Here, Grok, have it.
00:21:56.920 Yeah.
00:21:57.220 That is troubling.
00:21:58.100 It's very, very scary.
00:22:00.900 And the world that we live in today, this is sort of coming at the worst possible time
00:22:06.140 for people in the West, because people in the West in particular, we've entered into
00:22:12.240 this postmodern, what is truth kind of thing.
00:22:15.960 A lot of people in the West have no mooring on how they determine whether something is good
00:22:21.300 or bad or true or not true, where everything is subjective.
00:22:24.980 And that is crisis level stuff when you inject AI into a society like that.
00:22:32.620 Because really, if we're all just animals, that's all we are, basically, is how the postmodern
00:22:39.620 world works.
00:22:40.960 People are just animals.
00:22:42.720 The only difference between us and other animals is that we're smarter.
00:22:45.900 Well, then, this other thing that's even smarter than us, why shouldn't we just do whatever
00:22:51.200 it says?
00:22:51.700 Why shouldn't we outsource it?
00:22:53.120 If its value is derived by its intelligence and we've built this thing that's smarter than
00:22:58.120 we are, then why shouldn't we just do whatever it tells us to do?
00:23:03.020 Why shouldn't we hand that over?
00:23:04.840 I don't think that there is a good answer from a postmodern perspective, honestly.
00:23:10.000 True.
00:23:10.180 And we are going to get to a world very soon.
00:23:12.820 There's already been lots of stories about this where, and I've actually had lawmakers
00:23:17.780 tell me this.
00:23:18.880 Lawmakers tell me, it's very whispered and quiet.
00:23:21.700 They don't want people to know.
00:23:23.180 But they use AI to help them make decisions all the time.
00:23:27.960 Not just writing, but actually to help them sort of tell them what to do because they're
00:23:33.380 not sure about an important thing.
00:23:35.680 I hate that.
00:23:36.420 That's even worse than giving them your brain that's giving them your conscience.
00:23:40.720 100%.
00:23:41.280 And so you're going to AI instead of to, if you're a Christian, the Holy Spirit.
00:23:46.620 That is very, that's very troubling.
00:23:49.480 Yeah.
00:23:49.980 And as that continues to happen, and as adoption becomes higher and higher and higher, there
00:23:56.520 was a study recently that came out that said 40% of people are using AI now at work for
00:24:01.260 their jobs, as this becomes more popular and people trust it more, you're going to reach
00:24:08.100 a point in time, especially in a world as divided as the one we have in America, where
00:24:12.740 people say, well, why shouldn't AI, if it's smarter than us, just make decisions about
00:24:17.660 society for us?
00:24:19.920 Because it's smarter.
00:24:20.960 So if it says we should do XYZ policy, who are you, Allie Stuckey, to say, no, AI is wrong.
00:24:29.020 Well, you're not as smart as AI.
00:24:30.380 That's what, that will be the argument.
00:24:32.440 So why shouldn't we just do what it says?
00:24:34.680 And if you have no grounding in morality, then you get into really scary territory.
00:24:41.100 Because if AI says, you know, the math says that if we just end free speech, we'll reduce
00:24:48.520 poverty rates and more people will live longer.
00:24:51.360 I don't know.
00:24:52.420 I mean, should we do it then?
00:24:54.280 Yeah.
00:24:54.500 I mean, if you don't believe that any of these things are sort of God given rights,
00:24:58.500 and it's just kind of this thing we all collectively have agreed is a good thing.
00:25:01.980 But now this machine that's smarter than all of us says, actually, it's not a good thing.
00:25:05.640 You'd be better off just getting rid of it.
00:25:07.920 Why shouldn't we do it?
00:25:09.540 You know that this is a real problem.
00:25:12.500 The idea that your rights are just this sort of collective agreement is a crisis when you
00:25:19.700 throw AI into it, and you basically are now dependent on that to, you know, entrust the
00:25:25.520 science, right?
00:25:26.740 Well, that is the science.
00:25:28.200 So if the science tells us reduce human rights in order to get some better collective benefit,
00:25:33.300 why wouldn't we listen to that?
00:25:34.960 I guarantee that that is the world that we are headed towards, where the debate is going
00:25:39.660 to become how much control over society should we give this machine that's smarter than all
00:25:45.360 of us.
00:25:45.740 And people like you and me who are going to say, don't do that, that's really bad, are
00:25:51.180 going to be told that we're backwards and stupid, and, you know, we're living in the stone
00:25:56.720 age, and that this is the future, and trust the science, and trust the math.
00:26:01.280 That's what they're going to say.
00:26:02.460 Yeah.
00:26:02.940 Guaranteed.
00:26:03.380 And it really does all of this.
00:26:05.580 And for the past five years, every conversation that we've had goes back to this, is that it
00:26:10.180 really does come down to the creator versus whether it's the machine, AI, the creator
00:26:17.000 versus these big corporations, creator, God versus all of these governments.
00:26:22.160 Like, who has the moral authority?
00:26:24.700 Who is the giver of rights?
00:26:26.660 Who says why we matter?
00:26:29.460 And it's not that everyone is ever going to believe the same thing or that we are trying
00:26:34.340 to force people in America to all believe the same thing as me, but I'm just revealing
00:26:39.400 what the fundamental disagreement is, is who is ultimately in charge.
00:26:44.760 That's what all of these debates come down to.
00:26:47.100 And if we can't agree on just a basic level, hey, there is a creator who is bigger than all
00:26:52.120 of us, who made all of this with a purpose and gives us rights and value, and we should
00:26:56.520 wrestle with and debate how we defer to him and these big things and not try like the Tower
00:27:01.920 of Babel to build our tower up to God, then we can kind of move forward.
00:27:08.100 But when we can't, yeah, then it's going to be really, really scary when we're the minority
00:27:16.560 voices at least saying, no, no, no, we don't want this machine to be in charge because technology
00:27:22.280 can tell you what is possible.
00:27:23.980 It can't really tell you what is moral.
00:27:26.200 And it's up to human beings to say, okay, when technology takes us from what's natural
00:27:32.300 to what's possible for us to ask, but hang on, is that moral?
00:27:36.800 Is that good?
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00:28:58.400 I want to talk about the counter programming that was at WEF by people like Gavin Newsom.
00:29:05.280 So you've got Trump saying, America first.
00:29:07.820 This is our value system.
00:29:09.020 This is how we move forward.
00:29:10.080 And then you've got people like Gavin Newsom, who obviously has presidential aspirations,
00:29:14.120 trying to lay a different picture for everyone of America's role and what the world should
00:29:18.980 look like.
00:29:19.420 What was that?
00:29:20.460 Yeah.
00:29:21.040 Essentially, the progressives have not, like Gavin Newsom, have not totally given up on
00:29:27.100 the idea that progressive values imposed in a soft way, they would say, not with military
00:29:35.180 might or anything like that, but in a soft progressivism driven by things like sustainable
00:29:40.680 investment and international banking and ESG and all the things we've talked about before,
00:29:44.500 the Great Reset, that that still is the best path forward.
00:29:48.820 And really, it is the only path forward for them.
00:29:52.440 They don't have any other options.
00:29:54.380 I mean, there's just no other way for them to make sure that the rest of the world, which
00:29:59.260 is rapidly rejecting progressivism all over the planet, if you just look at the total
00:30:04.280 raw number of people in the world who believe in progressivism, it's actually really low compared
00:30:09.160 to most people.
00:30:10.660 They have to do it that way.
00:30:12.980 And so what the United States, because Europe really is becoming increasingly weaker, the
00:30:19.260 only way for Europe to be successful in this endeavor is to have a president of the United
00:30:23.360 States who buys into it.
00:30:24.760 And that's what Gavin Newsom is offering.
00:30:28.240 And they're going to sell it to the American people as this is its cooperation.
00:30:34.100 It's, you know, remember all these great times we had together in World War II and, you know,
00:30:39.900 fighting the Soviets and everything.
00:30:42.080 Like, we have to go back to that.
00:30:43.640 Like, the world's a better place when America and Europe are working together.
00:30:46.920 And it's like, not if I have to live with European values, it's not, because I don't believe
00:30:51.460 in the progressivism that they're trying to impose on the rest of us, right?
00:30:55.980 And so that's the two competing visions.
00:30:58.420 Americans are going to have a choice.
00:31:00.460 We're either going to be leading the world, and I think hopefully building a Western hemisphere
00:31:06.340 coalition, because I actually think we have more in common values-wise with, say, South
00:31:12.280 Americans and Central Americans in a lot of ways than we do with, like, the post-modern,
00:31:17.560 you know, average person in France these days.
00:31:20.580 Like, I think that's probably true.
00:31:22.360 So are we going to build that kind of alliance, or are we going to continue down this road that
00:31:28.420 was set up in post-World War II, where it's European progressives, American progressives
00:31:34.460 working together to force the rest of the world to be just like us and like them, really,
00:31:39.520 because they're trying to force you and me to be like them, too.
00:31:41.760 Yeah.
00:31:41.900 Or, and China and Russia, fundamentally, well, at some point, destroying us probably in the
00:31:49.900 process because of how weak we'll ultimately become under that strategy.
00:31:53.380 And that's what I was going to say, that I think even though there is that third world
00:31:58.520 order that you described that's led by that small cabal of progressives in different parts
00:32:02.840 of the world, then you have BRICS, then you have the America First Alliance.
00:32:06.740 I would assume that BRICS, if they had to choose between America First and the progressive
00:32:12.400 cabal, they would choose the progressive cabal just because it makes America weaker.
00:32:17.560 And America being strong is a huge impediment to Russia and China being able to take power
00:32:22.760 and do what they want to do.
00:32:24.940 So I would assume they'd probably want someone like a Gavin Newsom coming back in there and
00:32:29.600 going around doing the Obama apology tour and being as weak as possible.
00:32:34.060 Absolutely.
00:32:34.480 There's no, I mean, they've been very clear that their goal is to surpass the United States
00:32:39.980 and to become the world leaders.
00:32:41.700 They're very clear, especially the Chinese.
00:32:43.340 They're very open about this.
00:32:44.580 Yeah.
00:32:44.900 And so we should just take them at their word when they say, we want to be number one and
00:32:48.560 we don't want America to be number one anymore.
00:32:50.320 And you have to ask yourself, okay, if that's what you want, who's a better fit for you?
00:32:55.560 Like Kamala Harris or Donald Trump?
00:32:57.920 And I think it's like pretty clear what the answer is there.
00:33:00.520 Yeah.
00:33:00.960 Yeah.
00:33:01.020 Yeah.
00:33:01.520 Yeah.
00:33:01.960 Yeah.
00:33:02.020 Yeah.
00:33:02.520 Yeah.
00:33:03.020 Yeah.
00:33:03.520 Yeah.
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00:34:12.900 The very first time you came on, we talked about BlackRock, Blackstone, Vanguard, some
00:34:23.780 of those major players in all of this that a lot of people then hadn't heard of.
00:34:29.380 But, you know, 2020, people are trying to peel back the layers.
00:34:32.540 What is really going on?
00:34:33.780 This is another one of those layers of what's really going on behind the scenes.
00:34:38.260 What role do those companies play, if any, in everything you're talking about?
00:34:44.240 Yeah.
00:34:45.060 So this DTC system, the DTC institution that is the direct registered owner of all of these
00:34:52.480 securities is owned by a corporation called DTCC.
00:34:57.700 Okay.
00:34:58.080 Really confusing.
00:34:58.980 I know.
00:34:59.540 But DTCC is a corporation.
00:35:01.840 So it's owned by shareholders.
00:35:03.500 Shareholders are the big institutions that use it.
00:35:06.500 So the people who are using the institution to basically do the hard, heavy lifting of
00:35:13.380 what Wall Street is doing, transferring stock and things like that, those are going to be
00:35:19.200 banks, big financial institutions, Wall Street firms, and investment management firms are like
00:35:25.440 BlackRock and those kinds of things are related to all of that.
00:35:29.260 So, in essence, every big, powerful player on Wall Street, if they're a really big institution,
00:35:36.460 is directly either a direct owner of DTCC or they are doing so much business with the direct owners that
00:35:44.240 they have a lot of sway in how this whole thing goes.
00:35:47.480 So they're definitely involved in that sense.
00:35:52.240 Okay, I'm wondering what those players think about Trump and everyone and every entity that
00:35:57.680 you're talking about and some of the things that he's said and done recently.
00:36:02.200 At Davos, President Trump urged Congress to pass a ban on large investors like Blackstone
00:36:06.720 trying to buy up single family homes.
00:36:09.760 So let's just play a clip of him talking about that.
00:36:12.120 It's SOT 12.
00:36:12.900 Every time you make it more and more and more affordable for somebody to buy a house cheaply,
00:36:19.560 you're actually hurting the value of those houses, obviously, because the one thing
00:36:24.320 works in tandem with the other.
00:36:27.380 And I don't want to do anything that's going to hurt the value of people that own a house
00:36:31.420 who, for the first time in their lives, are walking around the streets of whatever city
00:36:37.440 they're in, very proud that their house is worth $500,000, $600,000, $700,000.
00:36:44.840 Now, if I want to really crush the housing market, I could do that so fast and people could buy
00:36:49.420 houses, but you would destroy a lot of people that already have houses.
00:36:54.620 In some cases, they've mortgaged their house and the mortgage would be very low.
00:37:01.560 Okay, so obviously, if this passed, if this ban passed, you'd have companies like Blackstone.
00:37:07.440 Take a hit.
00:37:09.400 Tell us, what's really going on behind the scenes here?
00:37:13.040 Is Trump really fighting back against all of this?
00:37:15.900 Yeah.
00:37:16.360 I think Wall Street and big corporations have a real love-hate relationship with Trump,
00:37:21.580 because on some things, Trump is not, in my opinion, Trump is not a straight-up conservative
00:37:30.100 or just a straight-up liberal or anything like that.
00:37:33.940 He's basically a utilitarian, practical sort of politician who says, I'm going to do the
00:37:39.900 things that I think are going to work, and I'm not going to do other things.
00:37:43.860 And so sometimes that aligns with what Wall Street wants and what these big corporations
00:37:50.160 want, and other times it doesn't.
00:37:51.840 In this case, it doesn't align with what they want.
00:37:54.020 They want the ability to buy single-family homes.
00:37:55.980 And the reason they want the ability to do that is because they know, Blackstone and other
00:38:00.100 investors know, that all of the money printing that we talked about earlier is going to continue.
00:38:05.620 It's going to continue at a huge scale, because the government can't afford to pay its own
00:38:09.220 debts without printing lots of money.
00:38:10.740 And a lot of that money is going to end up in real estate, in the housing market.
00:38:14.740 They have to keep interest rates low, which drives up the price of homes.
00:38:19.020 And so over the long run, it's a really good investment to buy homes and hold them for a
00:38:24.300 long period of time.
00:38:25.180 And there's going to be more and more people renting, because there's not enough houses being
00:38:28.600 built.
00:38:29.100 And all these investment firms know that.
00:38:31.360 And Trump, who's kind of a populist sort of guy, says, this isn't good for regular people,
00:38:35.460 and I want to stop it, because you can't have a regular person competing with a gigantic
00:38:39.020 multinational corporation over the price of a house.
00:38:42.900 That's not, that's just completely unfair, the way that works.
00:38:46.380 But on a whole bunch of other things, he's really good for them, especially like
00:38:50.320 deregulation, for example, and, you know, his investments in AI and bringing foreign
00:38:56.260 investment into the United States.
00:38:57.640 A lot of that stuff works in their favor.
00:39:00.080 And at Davos, you had heads of corporations saying very positive things about Trump at
00:39:05.080 certain times, like the Citibank CEO, for example, was very positive about Trump and
00:39:10.320 basically said, it sucked under Biden.
00:39:12.660 This was a horrible situation.
00:39:14.060 There was stupid regulations all the time.
00:39:16.240 And this is an exact direct quote, but this is essentially what he said.
00:39:19.240 Yeah, and it was, in that sense, really good for Citibank.
00:39:23.380 Well, Citibank is a big ESG organization.
00:39:26.640 They're big progressives.
00:39:27.880 They're Davos people.
00:39:29.080 But they still like Trump because he's for cutting regulations.
00:39:32.420 So it's a mixed bag when it comes to Trump and his relationship with these people.
00:39:37.860 I want to talk about your book, because it's very relevant to what's going on.
00:39:41.960 The Next Big Crash, Conspiracy Collapse and the Men Behind History's Biggest Heist.
00:39:46.960 Wow.
00:39:47.680 Very mysterious.
00:39:48.340 What is that?
00:39:49.240 Yes.
00:39:49.860 So this is the culmination of three years of research while I've been doing other books
00:39:55.860 with some other guy named Glenn Beck.
00:39:57.360 I was working on this, too, on the side.
00:39:59.140 It's nice of him to help you.
00:40:00.560 Oh, it is.
00:40:01.280 It's very nice.
00:40:02.300 Yeah.
00:40:02.700 So the book is just the most incredible story.
00:40:06.640 And it's one of those things where you start researching it, and it gets crazier and crazier
00:40:10.680 and crazier and crazier.
00:40:11.640 But at the root of all of it is most people have absolutely no idea at all that your investments,
00:40:19.260 the investments that people have, not just any individual person, institutions, basically
00:40:23.140 everybody in America, you don't actually own them legally.
00:40:26.920 So the direct registered owner of all securities investments, we're talking stocks, bonds, retirement
00:40:34.120 accounts, all that stuff is owned by one singular institution called DTC, the Depository Trust
00:40:40.820 Company, and this whole thing was set up over several decades by very powerful special interests
00:40:47.520 started in the 1960s and 70s.
00:40:50.280 And by switching to this model where people, individual people, don't own their own investments,
00:40:55.980 they were then able to build on top of it all of these rules that benefit big institutions
00:41:00.820 so that in the event of a big gigantic crash, they will be protected, they will be bailed out,
00:41:08.160 and everyone else maybe could be destroyed by this or maybe not, depending on how things
00:41:14.140 go.
00:41:15.580 And most people have no idea that this is what has happened.
00:41:19.600 And so that's sort of the heart of what this story is about.
00:41:23.760 But the conspiracy that led to it and the people who were involved in it is even crazier, that
00:41:30.240 part of the story.
00:41:31.120 So it's just the most unbelievable thing.
00:41:34.460 And I don't think anybody really knows that that's the case, that when you go and you make
00:41:39.260 your investments and you save your whole life for you and your family, those things don't
00:41:44.260 really belong to you.
00:41:46.740 And in the next big crash, you may lose all of it.
00:41:50.100 Tell us what that means.
00:41:50.940 What is DTC?
00:41:51.840 Okay, so the Depository Trust Company was set up by big financial institutions on Wall
00:42:00.100 Street back in the 1960s and 70s.
00:42:02.900 It officially launched in 1973.
00:42:06.340 And what it is, is it's a financial institution that actually owns all of the securities investments.
00:42:13.580 So all the stocks, all the bonds, they're the actual owners of it, the direct registered
00:42:17.960 owner of it.
00:42:18.740 In the whole world, not just America.
00:42:20.560 Well, pretty much in America, but a lot of the foreign ones, too.
00:42:23.440 Everything traded in America, New York Stock Exchange, NASDAQ, all of that's going to be
00:42:27.380 owned by one institution.
00:42:28.740 So when you go and you make investments, you think you're buying a stock like Tesla or something
00:42:35.280 like that.
00:42:36.400 But you're not.
00:42:37.400 What you're buying is a contract that gives you certain rights related to the stock.
00:42:42.900 But the stock itself is actually owned by this institution called the Depository Trust Company.
00:42:48.280 The Depository Trust Company is owned by another corporation that is owned by all the big Wall
00:42:54.880 Street firms.
00:42:55.720 So the big Wall Street firms sort of indirectly own everything.
00:43:00.160 And you give them your money thinking that you are a part owner in it, but you're actually
00:43:04.500 not a part owner in it.
00:43:05.440 You have an ownership right related to the investment.
00:43:08.880 You get certain benefits to it, but you're not the actual owner of the investment.
00:43:13.920 So the reason why this is so important is because if you're not the actual owner of it, then your
00:43:18.700 rights are totally dependent on what the contract says and what regulations say and what laws they
00:43:25.660 pass in Congress and at the state level.
00:43:27.320 But you have no constitutional rights to the actual property itself.
00:43:32.520 So if they want to change the rules and use the property in ways that you don't agree
00:43:38.000 with, which they've done, then they can do that because it's not really yours.
00:43:43.580 And so they've created all these special systems and rules and they basically the whole derivatives
00:43:50.240 complex on Wall Street, which is basically like gambling on Wall Street.
00:43:54.080 When you think about people making risky investments and all of that stuff that they're making a
00:44:00.960 fortune off of all of that, that's only possible because they're the owners.
00:44:05.740 All the ownership is tied up in one institution that they control.
00:44:08.860 If that wasn't the case, then they would have to go to you every time they want to do something
00:44:13.040 like that and get your permission to use your investments for all of these other arrangements
00:44:18.300 that they've got going on.
00:44:19.700 And they don't have to do that because you don't really own it.
00:44:22.320 Some people are saying, well, that's, you know, I've gotten a return on my investment.
00:44:26.380 Things seem to be going fine.
00:44:27.940 I seem to own it.
00:44:29.140 I'm getting the money back that I invested if it was a good investment.
00:44:33.580 So how what do you say to those people who say, well, the system seems to be functioning
00:44:38.620 OK for me?
00:44:39.460 Yeah.
00:44:39.780 So as long as everything is going OK in the market and you don't have big, gigantic financial
00:44:46.600 chaos, pretty much everything will be fine.
00:44:49.260 Most people will never realize that this is the arrangement, but they're the ones who
00:44:54.000 have built all this infrastructure that's that's designed to help them in the event
00:45:00.140 of a big, gigantic crash.
00:45:01.760 So they've they're the ones preparing for that.
00:45:04.520 And there's all sorts of people who have been involved in it, academics and stuff.
00:45:08.460 You can read the papers and go.
00:45:09.920 It's all in the book, The Next Big Crash.
00:45:11.540 And you can see for yourself that they are preparing for what one of them called Armageddon.
00:45:16.260 So a financial Armageddon happens, all the big institutions, they can be protected.
00:45:22.280 If it never happens, then great.
00:45:24.260 Everything just keeps moving along and everything is fine.
00:45:26.860 But if they need to tap into that, all that wealth in order to prop up big institutions,
00:45:31.420 they can do that.
00:45:33.340 And the vast majority of people have no idea that that's even a risk.
00:45:37.020 They think they own these things that they're buying and paying for and paying commissions
00:45:41.760 on on top of it to buy it and have it.
00:45:43.860 But they really don't own it.
00:45:45.400 They just own something that's kind of related to it.
00:45:48.700 I've never heard of the DTC.
00:45:50.600 It's a company that runs here in the United States.
00:45:54.700 Yeah, it's it's sort of.
00:45:56.960 Yeah, it's a financial institution that sole job is basically to help these other financial
00:46:03.340 institutions in Wall Street, big investment firms like, say, Merrill Lynch or Fidelity
00:46:08.740 or banks like Chase Bank or any of those kinds of things to make Wall Street work.
00:46:14.540 So when you buy and sell on Wall Street or you have people doing like options trading on
00:46:19.580 Wall Street or futures trading, all of that stuff is happening within this DTC financial
00:46:26.440 institution.
00:46:27.040 And the DTC is part of the Federal Reserve.
00:46:29.640 It's a Federal Reserve Bank.
00:46:31.240 So the Fed is actually tied up in all of this stuff as well.
00:46:34.640 But yeah, most people have never heard of it.
00:46:36.420 I never heard of it until a few years ago.
00:46:38.600 It's because unless you're on Wall Street and you're dealing with this kind of stuff,
00:46:41.720 you would never hear about it.
00:46:42.980 You call this a property rights heist.
00:46:45.640 What does that mean?
00:46:46.980 Right.
00:46:47.300 So back in the 1960s and 70s, before they started changing the laws, when you would make an investment,
00:46:54.240 you were the actual owner of that investment.
00:46:58.060 You would actually get a paper certificate.
00:47:00.280 They used to send people paper certificates with their names printed on it that said, this
00:47:04.340 is your stock for this company that you just bought.
00:47:07.680 They don't do that anymore because you don't own it anymore.
00:47:10.200 So they shifted the system.
00:47:13.880 Powerful special interest shifted the system very quietly in a way that people just didn't
00:47:18.820 even realize was happening so that you no longer own the investments.
00:47:23.080 You just own something that's kind of related, that's related to the investments.
00:47:27.220 It gives you certain rights and benefits, but it's not the investment itself.
00:47:30.720 So we took ownership effectively away from everybody who makes investments in the United States,
00:47:36.940 which is most people these days, especially with retirement accounts and everything else,
00:47:42.020 without people having any idea that that was what was going on.
00:47:45.740 So technically, it wasn't stealing because technically, you know, they did it through the legal system,
00:47:50.760 but no one knew it when it happened.
00:47:54.120 They just took your property rights away and all the protections you would normally have.
00:47:58.580 And they did it without people having any idea that it was going on.
00:48:03.460 Okay.
00:48:03.880 So these big financial players are taking our money.
00:48:08.620 They're using it however they want to for whatever purposes.
00:48:11.760 And if things are going well, then we might get a return on our investment.
00:48:15.480 But when things really hit the fan, they'll take all the money that they've taken from our investments
00:48:19.500 and use it to prop themselves up.
00:48:21.460 Is that the very simple explanation for what you're talking about?
00:48:24.860 It could go that way.
00:48:26.120 It depends on what happens.
00:48:27.140 Now, you have rights and there are limits to what they can do with your investments right now.
00:48:31.620 They can't just do whatever they want.
00:48:33.580 But that's because there are regulations and stuff in place that prevent them from doing it.
00:48:38.740 It's not because they don't own it.
00:48:40.140 Right.
00:48:40.460 And the regulations could change.
00:48:42.320 And there are emergency powers in place, like laws, emergency powers laws in place right now
00:48:47.140 that could be activated that change all of that right now.
00:48:51.360 So whatever protections you do have could go away tomorrow if they really needed to.
00:48:55.240 So again, if they don't need to, they're not going to do that because then everyone's going
00:48:59.780 to realize that, you know, the gig would be up.
00:49:02.020 Everyone would realize, oh, wow, we actually this is a really bad system.
00:49:05.260 We don't like this.
00:49:06.500 So they're only going to do something like that if they absolutely have to.
00:49:10.520 Like if there was a big, gigantic collapse, an economic collapse.
00:49:14.880 Some of this did happen in 2008.
00:49:17.380 There were actually isolated situations when Lehman Brothers, which was a big financial
00:49:22.920 firm, went under in 2008.
00:49:25.580 This exact situation happened.
00:49:27.580 And some of their customers actually lost access to their investments that they had made because
00:49:33.260 Lehman Brothers was taking that money of those investments.
00:49:37.740 And they were pledging it as collateral with a bank, with JPMorgan Chase and doing some other
00:49:43.280 stuff like that.
00:49:43.960 And basically what that means is you go to go to a bank and you say, I need financing because
00:49:50.560 they were in a lot of trouble.
00:49:51.700 And the bank says, OK, well, but what if you don't pay us back?
00:49:54.500 Then what?
00:49:55.460 And they say, OK, well, we're just going to pledge all of this collateral, all the stuff
00:49:59.100 we have.
00:49:59.660 And if we don't pay it back, you get to take all this stuff.
00:50:02.180 Except they started pledging their customers' assets as part of that deal.
00:50:07.380 And then when Chase Bank wanted their money back as Lehman Brothers collapsed, they took
00:50:13.200 they actually stopped people from getting access to these investments so that they could have
00:50:17.880 them.
00:50:18.240 And there was big, long legal battles over it.
00:50:20.800 And it was a whole scandal, essentially, and ended up working out somewhat OK for a lot
00:50:25.840 of people.
00:50:26.240 But they had to wait a long time to get access to their investments.
00:50:28.640 But that's the kind of thing.
00:50:29.920 Those same laws that happened in that situation could happen.
00:50:33.040 But on a very large scale.
00:50:33.960 Yeah, on a very large scale.
00:50:34.860 So if you had a really big crash, and there's a lot of reasons to believe we could have a
00:50:39.260 really big crash at some point in the future because of how messed up our system is financially.
00:50:46.060 If that happens, then everybody who's made investments thinks they own this stuff and
00:50:50.860 thinks, oh, no, I'll get my money back because I'm not being risky.
00:50:53.980 It doesn't matter.
00:50:54.900 If the system collapses and they trigger the right laws, they could use your property because
00:50:59.720 it's not really yours to their benefit to prop themselves up.
00:51:02.980 And that is exactly the kind of thing that they appear to be planning to do in the event
00:51:07.300 of something like that happening.
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00:52:24.180 You say that the CIA could possibly be a hidden player in this heist.
00:52:30.480 What do you mean?
00:52:31.640 Yeah, so there's the problem that we've talked about, where you just have lost your property
00:52:36.260 rights.
00:52:36.760 But then there's just this incredible story of how all of this came about in the first
00:52:41.820 place.
00:52:43.020 And when I was researching that part of the story, that's when it really got, I became
00:52:49.180 convinced something more was happening here than just big firms setting themselves up
00:52:54.360 to protect themselves.
00:52:55.700 Yeah.
00:52:56.480 And it all starts with this guy named William Denser.
00:53:00.240 William Denser is not a well-known guy, but he ran DTC and was well-known on Wall Street
00:53:05.940 for a very long time.
00:53:07.020 He was the guy that the big banks and other financial institutions put in charge of this
00:53:11.800 DTC project to control everybody's investments, right?
00:53:15.620 So the thing about William Denser was at the time he was put in charge of this project,
00:53:21.520 he was completely unqualified for the job.
00:53:25.520 It made no sense whatsoever.
00:53:27.800 Prior to that job, he had a bank regulatory job, which had nothing to do with what DTC was
00:53:34.000 doing really, but he was completely unqualified for that job too.
00:53:37.420 You go back one more step, he was at a New York Domestic Policy Commission.
00:53:41.460 He was totally unqualified for that as well.
00:53:43.160 No experience in any of these fields before getting these jobs.
00:53:46.520 And he had all of them within just a few years.
00:53:49.020 They just kept giving him all these crazy promotions until he ended up in this situation
00:53:52.640 where he's in charge of one of the most powerful financial institutions that have ever existed.
00:53:57.200 $80 trillion worth of investments are in DTC.
00:54:00.580 $80 trillion.
00:54:01.600 Wow.
00:54:02.060 So how did that happen?
00:54:04.400 So you go all the way back to his history and you follow it through.
00:54:08.100 William Denser was a student activist in the 1950s.
00:54:11.140 And while he was this student activist at this big, gigantic student organization called
00:54:16.900 the National Student Association, the CIA started secretly funding this project illegally.
00:54:24.500 They weren't supposed to be doing it.
00:54:25.720 And Denser was a huge part of that.
00:54:27.900 So Denser is a CIA activist and or a student activist being funded by the CIA.
00:54:35.300 And at some point during that process, the CIA decides, we're going to hire you.
00:54:42.060 We want you to be in the CIA.
00:54:43.440 So he joins the CIA and he spends the rest of the 1950s basically working in the CIA,
00:54:49.560 helping do these illegal things with student groups.
00:54:54.880 And then after that, he ends up in the State Department where he helped create USAID,
00:54:59.600 which was a huge thing recently in the news, the Trump administration trying to destroy it
00:55:03.960 because of all of the really nefarious things and corruption that it's been involved with.
00:55:09.480 Well, he was a huge part of that project.
00:55:12.060 And while he was working in the State Department, he was involved at all kinds of shady things
00:55:19.040 in South America and Central America, propping up foreign regimes and engaged in regime change
00:55:25.240 in some cases and propaganda efforts and all kinds of things like that.
00:55:30.820 And from there, he suddenly, after doing that for all the 1960s, he ends up in New York
00:55:36.460 and then he's suddenly in running this financial institution.
00:55:40.680 So after spending two decades in intelligence, propaganda, all these things that have nothing
00:55:46.780 to do with banking or Wall Street or anything.
00:55:50.140 And of course, they could have picked anybody to run this project, but they chose this guy
00:55:54.240 of all the guys.
00:55:55.860 And when the more you dive into that and the reasons for why that may have occurred, the
00:56:01.180 more it seems like there were a lot of other things at work.
00:56:05.800 And he was chosen because of his CIA connections or maybe because of the stuff he was doing
00:56:10.440 in the State Department.
00:56:11.920 The Rockefeller family is really closely tied to all of this stuff.
00:56:16.280 And it's just this insane, insane, crazy story of how that all played out.
00:56:22.000 So when things are going pretty well economically, which I think a lot of people look at the numbers
00:56:26.140 and they think that right now it is, most people aren't thinking about this kind of stuff
00:56:31.000 because who has time and capacity to think about anything beyond their own bank account.
00:56:37.360 But it sounds to me like you're writing this book because you think that we are getting
00:56:42.220 closer and closer to a boiling point to where this heist could actually happen.
00:56:47.520 Why?
00:56:48.140 Yeah, that's a great point.
00:56:50.200 If everything goes well forever, you're never going to have any problems.
00:56:53.340 The reason that I'm so concerned about it, and by the way, just to make it clear, I'm
00:56:58.700 not making any money from the book.
00:57:00.680 All the money from the book goes to nonprofits who are trying to change laws to fix the problem.
00:57:04.880 So literally, I get nothing out of this other than I think this is a really bad thing that's
00:57:08.600 happening.
00:57:09.180 The reason I'm so concerned about it is because what we have in our system is the reason you
00:57:18.460 see the stock market continuing to go up dramatically while regular people are not enjoying the same
00:57:26.720 kinds of benefits and not becoming as wealthy as those on Wall Street is because our system
00:57:32.520 has been set up to benefit Wall Street firms and big banks at the expense of regular people.
00:57:39.820 And part of that has been this massive amount, trillions and trillions of dollars that have
00:57:44.360 flooded into Wall Street over the past several, well, the last decade or two, going all the
00:57:50.040 way back to Obama, but especially since COVID.
00:57:53.020 Huge amounts of money have gone into Wall Street, and that's why stocks keep going up, even though
00:57:57.200 the economy isn't getting better for regular people.
00:57:59.700 Part of that is that they're doing a lot of gambling, essentially, on Wall Street, and it's
00:58:04.220 very risky what's happening.
00:58:06.200 And because they're doing so much gambling with something called derivatives, especially,
00:58:11.660 and the derivatives market is very, very big.
00:58:14.720 Can you tell us what that is?
00:58:15.740 Yeah, sure.
00:58:16.980 A derivative is, you can think of it like gambling.
00:58:20.960 Essentially, what it is, is it's an investment whose value, its value is derived, that's why
00:58:27.920 they call it derivative, from something else.
00:58:30.420 So it's not the actual thing itself.
00:58:32.680 It's an investment that's derived from some other kind of investment.
00:58:36.140 What's an example?
00:58:36.840 So like, for example, if you have a futures contract, that would be like a contract to
00:58:45.940 buy something at a certain price in the future.
00:58:48.720 The contract itself has value that is related to the thing you're going to buy, but it isn't
00:58:54.020 the thing itself.
00:58:54.880 Right.
00:58:55.080 Okay.
00:58:55.420 So like a good, a good, like non-Wall Street example would be like, think of a football game.
00:59:01.380 You have two teams playing each other, but then you have all these people betting on the
00:59:05.560 outcome of the football game.
00:59:06.900 The bets are not the football game.
00:59:09.380 They're bets about the football game.
00:59:11.380 But then you could have people betting on what the bettors are going to do, like which
00:59:15.500 bettors do the best, or you could have which team scores first or whatever.
00:59:20.380 These are not the actual game.
00:59:22.420 The players are playing the game.
00:59:23.880 These are people making bets on what will happen in the game.
00:59:27.700 That's what's happening on Wall Street.
00:59:29.480 There's tons of that going on.
00:59:32.540 We don't even know how much of it.
00:59:34.080 Some people estimate that there's $1 quadrillion worth of derivatives, which is a number that
00:59:41.580 you basically can't even conceptualize.
00:59:43.240 Yeah, I don't even know.
00:59:43.920 This is beyond trillions.
00:59:45.300 It sounds like a word that I would make up.
00:59:46.980 It does sound like a word that you had to make up.
00:59:48.900 Right.
00:59:49.200 And that's the thing.
00:59:50.280 There's so much of it happening, and it's not really tightly controlled or tracked or
00:59:56.040 anything.
00:59:57.040 We don't even really know how much of it is going on.
00:59:59.220 So if the market starts collapsing, because there's all these people gambling on things
01:00:05.040 that they maybe have overextended themselves or whatever, and you get firms that start
01:00:09.440 to fail, you end up in this horrible situation where Wall Street is just collapsing.
01:00:15.340 And then what do they do to try to bail themselves out?
01:00:18.060 So you're seeing all of this happen, coupled with the government has way overextended itself
01:00:25.760 with its money printing and the amount of debt that it has.
01:00:29.320 In the past, when Wall Street has gotten into trouble, what they've done is they've printed
01:00:33.300 lots of money, and they've bailed Wall Street out, and Wall Street continues to thrive because
01:00:37.840 of it.
01:00:38.540 Is that why you're saying you're arguing that the Federal Reserve is responsible for a lot
01:00:42.740 of this, and you've even argued, like, is responsible for the income inequality that
01:00:46.680 you're talking about?
01:00:47.680 Is that the role that it plays?
01:00:49.380 Yes.
01:00:49.960 I absolutely think income inequality is driven largely by what the Fed has done, by money
01:00:55.940 printing, by government spending.
01:00:57.400 I think it's a huge part of the problem.
01:00:59.000 They print lots of money, trillions of dollars, but they don't give it equally to everybody.
01:01:03.420 When they have done that, they've ended up with inflation problems.
01:01:06.720 So they don't just send everybody a check when they print the money.
01:01:09.200 Most of the money ends up in concentrated areas, especially Wall Street and housing and
01:01:15.460 things like that.
01:01:16.480 So the reason that housing prices have skyrocketed over the past five years is because the financial
01:01:22.240 system is getting a lot of the money that's being created through the Fed and other things.
01:01:28.020 Got it.
01:01:28.320 So the more they've done this, the more they've boxed themselves into a corner.
01:01:33.220 We have a debt crisis, but if they print money, we've had a debt crisis and an inflation
01:01:37.920 crisis.
01:01:38.340 If they print more money, they worry about inflation.
01:01:41.200 So they can't print too much more money and they can't lower interest rates too low.
01:01:46.060 So they got to try to play this.
01:01:47.940 But if they lower, but they raise interest rates too high.
01:01:50.620 Now it costs more money for the government to finance its debt, which the government can't
01:01:55.360 afford to do without printing more money, which causes a debt spiral and it's totally
01:02:00.260 out of control.
01:02:01.160 So when the next big crash happens, there's a real concern.
01:02:04.740 Whenever it is, there's a real concern that the government can't just, the Fed and the
01:02:10.320 government can't just come in and say, well, we'll just print trillions of dollars again
01:02:13.280 and just bail everybody out because they will run the risk of causing an inflation crisis
01:02:19.600 again, which means they're all going to get thrown out of office and Joe Biden learned
01:02:23.540 the hard way.
01:02:24.060 That's not a good political strategy to do that.
01:02:27.420 So then what do you do to bail people out while you have all these, you have $80 trillion
01:02:32.080 worth of securities investments just sitting in this institution that they just happen
01:02:36.460 to own?
01:02:37.120 Well, that's really convenient.
01:02:38.360 If they really need to tap into it and they may never have to tap into it, but if they
01:02:42.180 do, it's, it, they've set themselves up for their, what they called an Armageddon scenario.
01:02:48.380 They will be protected and maybe you will, maybe you won't.
01:02:53.160 That's a problem that they'll, they'll deal with in the future, but at least they know we'll
01:02:57.240 be okay if the crash happens.
01:02:59.280 Okay.
01:02:59.700 Tell people again, your book, where they can get it.
01:03:02.520 Yeah.
01:03:02.760 The next big crash, you can get it now.
01:03:04.760 We have an audio book, digital book, paperback, hardcover, amazon.com is the easiest place
01:03:09.580 to get it.
01:03:10.220 So awesome.
01:03:11.340 There you go.
01:03:12.280 Everyone go get his book.
01:03:13.880 You will feel a lot smarter and a lot more in the know afterwards.
01:03:16.940 Thank you so much.
01:03:17.780 Thanks, Ellie.
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