Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1313 ｜ God Called Her to Strip Clubs. What She Saw Changed Her Life ｜ Rachelle Starr

00:00:01.000 Today's guest was called by God to serve meals at strip clubs, where she has for the past 0.99

00:00:06.780 several years gotten to share the gospel and God's love with these women.

00:00:11.900 God is a God of redemption, and the testimonies she shares today of how God has saved these

00:00:17.780 women, so many of them victims of trafficking, is just incredible. 0.98

00:00:22.720 You are about to cry.

00:00:24.560 Happy, joyful, grateful tears for the next hour.

00:00:28.180 If you need to be renewed in your faith, if you need to be reminded about how powerful

00:00:33.680 God is, how he does what seems like impossible, and how much he loves those in our communities

00:00:40.220 who have never received love before, then you've got to listen to today's episode with

00:00:45.920 Rochelle Starr.

00:00:47.580 She is the founder of a nonprofit organization called Scarlet Hope, and she's got an incredible

00:00:54.040 story to share here today.

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00:01:21.760 Rochelle, thanks so much for taking the time to join us.

00:01:34.000 If you could tell everyone who you are and what you do.

00:01:36.360 Yeah, I'm Rochelle Starr, and thank you for having me.

00:01:39.500 I'm the founder and president of Scarlet Hope, and our mission is to share the hope and love

00:01:43.980 of Jesus with women in the sex industry. 0.83

00:01:46.500 Okay, I want you to tell everyone the origin story of Scarlet Hope.

00:01:51.400 Before it even got started, how did you feel God call you into that arena?

00:01:56.000 So I grew up a pastor's kid, so that equals a lot of things, right?

00:02:00.640 But when I got into my early 20s, I was like, you know, my faith is not my dad's anymore,

00:02:05.800 and I was starting to ask the Lord what my purpose and the people that God would have

00:02:11.220 me minister to and use my life for.

00:02:13.020 And so I was driving down the road, and every day into work, I would pass a Theater X.

00:02:20.960 And that Theater X, I never noticed it.

00:02:23.720 I didn't care, really.

00:02:25.680 And May of 2007, the Lord prompted me to look and turn my attention towards that place and

00:02:33.720 said, and I just heard the Spirit say, Rochelle, go and share my hope and my love with those

00:02:38.000 people.

00:02:38.320 So I started researching about what were those people?

00:02:42.720 Who were they?

00:02:43.620 What did they do?

00:02:45.040 You had no idea.

00:02:46.420 No, I had no idea.

00:02:47.580 I didn't grow up hearing about the sex industry.

00:02:50.560 Also in 2007, anti-trafficking wasn't spoken of.

00:02:55.460 There weren't marches around, things like that.

00:02:58.420 So when the Lord said that, I was like, well, I guess I'm going to go share the gospel with

00:03:03.420 people in the sex industry.

00:03:04.580 And my husband, I called him and I said, I think the Lord just answered a prayer that

00:03:09.240 I'm going to go share the gospel with people in this Theater X.

00:03:14.420 And he was like, that's exactly what Jesus would do.

00:03:16.960 And that really started, really, what I would say is a prayer ministry, asking God to open

00:03:23.900 doors to bring the light of Christ to the darkness.

00:03:27.680 And I lived in Louisville, Kentucky, and we started researching what did the sex industry

00:03:33.220 look like in Louisville.

00:03:34.360 And ironically, we had the fifth largest sex industry per capita in America with the largest

00:03:43.340 churches in, you know, some of the largest churches in America.

00:03:46.780 So I did what every pastor's kid would do.

00:03:48.920 I called every church up and I said, do you minister to people in the sex industry?

00:03:54.640 And people unanimously said no.

00:03:56.980 And so fast forward, we prayed and fasted outside of strip clubs and that Theater X for

00:04:04.320 about 18 months.

00:04:06.380 And then I heard the Lord prompt me again and say, it's time to go in.

00:04:10.700 And so in 2008, we prayed and fasted for a couple of days and the Lord directed us to a

00:04:17.720 particular strip club in Louisville.

00:04:20.480 There were 27.

00:04:21.820 And so he just laid on our hearts this particular one.

00:04:25.020 And my best friend and I went into that club.

00:04:28.720 We paid $10 to get in the door.

00:04:31.000 And I'll never forget that first experience because I had no idea what would be on the

00:04:37.320 other side of that door.

00:04:39.500 And through a series of conversations with different people, I was prompted again to go talk to

00:04:46.140 a man that I'd never met.

00:04:48.320 There were about 30 men in the club and I walked over to the owner of the club and I held

00:04:53.540 up my hand.

00:04:53.980 And I said, hi, my name's Rochelle.

00:04:55.600 I'm here because Jesus sent me here to do something kind and loving for the women in

00:04:59.740 this place.

00:05:00.920 Could I bring in a home-cooked meal?

00:05:02.780 And that's really how the whole ministry started.

00:05:05.840 Okay.

00:05:06.100 Did you ever go into that Theater X, the original one that you had seen on the side of the highway?

00:05:10.720 So in that 18 months, we learned that there weren't really women working in that Theater 1.00

00:05:15.700 X, that it was a man that was at more of like a, they sold DVDs and it was a truck

00:05:21.700 stop. So we did go inside there, but we learned that there weren't women working. 1.00

00:05:26.780 But interesting that the Lord used something that was right in front of you to pull you

00:05:31.860 into an entire industry.

00:05:33.760 So after you went into this one particular strip club and you said, okay, I want to serve 0.98

00:05:38.480 these women food. 1.00

00:05:39.460 Tell us what happened from there.

00:05:40.500 So the owner of the club, he ended up telling me his whole story.

00:05:46.580 And I had been told for 18 months from my church and other churches, like, don't go inside

00:05:52.220 those places.

00:05:53.200 If people want to know about Jesus, they can come to our church.

00:05:56.680 We have a sign outside of our door.

00:05:58.380 And I was like, that's not really what the Lord's leading me to do.

00:06:02.720 Or the example that I felt Jesus was giving us in scripture.

00:06:08.120 And so I decided with this home-cooked meal, we were going to make a home-cooked meal that

00:06:13.040 was excellent and delicious.

00:06:14.440 And we were going to serve it at the same time every single week.

00:06:17.860 The owner gave us permission to come in on a Thursday.

00:06:20.740 That was in September of 08.

00:06:23.620 And we showed up with a home-cooked meal, like a huge Italian meal.

00:06:27.920 I'm Italian.

00:06:28.800 So that's what we made.

00:06:29.860 And when we went inside for that first time, one of the saddest experiences as a Christian

00:06:35.500 that I started to realize was, were, that people believed that Christians would come 0.99

00:06:41.160 in there and poison them and try to kill them. 0.92

00:06:43.900 Why did they believe that? 0.99

00:06:45.300 Part of it is, up until this point, Christians did stand outside and picket and protest and

00:06:52.660 try to get strip clubs shut down and all of that stuff. 1.00

00:06:56.120 And that's something that actually I didn't know at the time.

00:06:59.100 Yeah.

00:06:59.860 So their experience with Christians was actually very adversarial.

00:07:03.380 And so I'm here as this 23-year-old girl, like, here's a home-cooked meal.

00:07:08.620 Jesus loves you.

00:07:09.820 And they're like, yeah, I'm not buying it.

00:07:13.760 And so it took about six months to build trust and relationships with each of the women before

00:07:20.800 women started telling us their stories and before they started asking for help. 0.98

00:07:25.400 And God just opened one door after another.

00:07:28.920 And between that first time going into the clubs and about six months later, we were already

00:07:35.400 serving around 100 women in three clubs.

00:07:39.240 And God just kept opening doors to eventually all 27 of those clubs.

00:07:43.160 Okay.

00:07:43.980 This is something that I think a lot of people can relate to, that you feel like God called

00:07:48.380 you to something.

00:07:49.740 And maybe the expectation, I don't know about you, is that, okay, if God called me to it,

00:07:53.680 then he's going to basically make it easy.

00:07:55.860 As soon as I walk in and I serve these women, they're all going to be like, wow, thank you 0.97

00:07:59.680 so much.

00:08:00.140 And then I'm going to share the gospel and we're going to have a revival right there.

00:08:03.320 Same day.

00:08:03.720 I don't know if that's what you anticipated, but when it didn't go that way, you didn't

00:08:09.420 stop.

00:08:10.080 You kept showing up even against hostility or misconceptions about you and what you were

00:08:15.680 trying to do there.

00:08:16.380 So can you tell us about how you felt about that initial resistance and how you kind of

00:08:22.280 overcame maybe any fear or insecurity that you may have felt at that time?

00:08:27.300 Yeah, yeah, you know, what I, I was so clear from the Lord that that's where I was supposed

00:08:35.160 to be, that, I mean, we were being like, insults were being hurled at us.

00:08:40.900 People were saying things that were, eventually I would come to know that those comments were

00:08:46.760 coming from a very hurt place.

00:08:49.160 And that really broke my heart, which caused me to want to do it more and caused me to really

00:08:55.000 persevere through a lot of that stuff.

00:08:57.900 The owner of the club said something to me one day, um, about several months in, and

00:09:02.480 he said, before you came inside this club, the only thing of Christians we knew were people

00:09:09.120 standing outside of the club.

00:09:11.460 And I want to know about the God you serve.

00:09:14.620 And he, what he was really saying is that, that God's different.

00:09:18.020 And I think one of the things that we can, that I've come to understand through the process

00:09:24.000 of persevering is that God is a God who loves these people that are in darkness.

00:09:30.920 That's why he came, why he sent Jesus, his son.

00:09:34.200 And when we can show up again and again, week after week with a home cooked meal in the face

00:09:40.780 of people saying, did you spit in this?

00:09:43.100 Did you poison this?

00:09:44.740 I'm not going to eat that.

00:09:46.020 But, um, and that still happens to this day, even though church ladies in strip clubs are 1.00

00:09:51.200 widely known now, um, it still happens because there's so much church hurt that comes along

00:09:57.460 with, uh, this industry, unfortunately.

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00:11:19.580 Tell me about the name Scarlet Hope.

00:11:26.840 How did you choose that name?

00:11:28.700 So it was really early on in the ministry when my church had come to me and said, you

00:11:33.440 need to just start a nonprofit to do this work.

00:11:36.840 People were writing checks to Rochelle Star Strip Clubs and putting them in the offering

00:11:42.040 plate.

00:11:42.480 And I said, well, I don't really want to start a nonprofit.

00:11:45.360 I'm just doing this because God said to do it.

00:11:47.960 And fast forward, a guy comes up to me and says, I'm going to pay for your 501c3.

00:11:54.120 I'm going to help you start your nonprofit, but you need a name.

00:11:57.820 So this was on a Sunday morning, Sunday night.

00:12:00.040 I was like, Lord, I know you've just called like me.

00:12:03.980 It's not like this needs to be an organization.

00:12:06.760 But I was reading in Matthew 27 when Jesus was stripped of his clothing and they put a

00:12:11.900 scarlet robe on him.

00:12:13.140 And now at this point, I had already been serving in the strip clubs for six months or

00:12:18.300 more.

00:12:19.140 And I had seen a woman be spit on. 1.00

00:12:22.860 I'd seen a woman who came in completely black and blue, bruised. 1.00

00:12:27.900 A woman who had told me she had been beaten the night before.

00:12:30.560 I'd seen all these things.

00:12:31.640 And so as I was reading that scripture, I just felt like God was like, my blood covers

00:12:39.560 them.

00:12:40.800 Like my blood covers all of this, all the sin that is in this place.

00:12:45.060 And that's the message of hope.

00:12:46.440 You need to go tell them.

00:12:48.060 So I called my husband and I said, my husband's actually in branding.

00:12:51.940 And he said, I said, the name is Scarlet Hope.

00:12:55.360 And he goes, well, let's pray about that.

00:12:57.980 Let's think about it.

00:12:58.720 And so fast forward, four days later, Thursday, we're in the club and I'm at just kind of

00:13:04.800 setting up our table.

00:13:06.120 And I see a woman across the bar and she's got a blue sweater on and it's kind of hanging 0.99

00:13:10.800 off her shoulder with a bag.

00:13:13.220 But I didn't know, was she working there or was she a customer?

00:13:16.640 But I just went straight over to her and I said, hi, my name's Rochelle.

00:13:20.400 I said, we have some food here.

00:13:21.560 Would you like something to eat?

00:13:23.180 She said, how much does it cost?

00:13:26.660 I said, it's free.

00:13:27.560 She immediately started to tear up and she said, it's free.

00:13:31.920 I have five kids at home that haven't eaten in a week.

00:13:35.180 And some guy at the gas station told me that I should come up here and strip tonight so that

00:13:40.680 I could provide for my kids.

00:13:43.080 And when I came up here, the owner said, you got to take off all your clothes and interview

00:13:47.320 in front of me.

00:13:48.040 And since I had never done that, he said, why don't you go get drunk and come back and

00:13:52.180 do it?

00:13:52.540 So when she had got drunk and she had come back, that's when our lives intersected.

00:13:58.000 And so I said, well, you know what?

00:14:00.220 You don't have to do that.

00:14:01.200 We have food.

00:14:01.860 You can come over here.

00:14:02.740 We'll box some stuff up for your kids.

00:14:05.180 And so we went over and she was hungry herself.

00:14:09.960 And this is a moment in time that has stood still for me because I have never really experienced

00:14:16.280 hunger in my life.

00:14:17.180 My parents have done a wonderful job taking care of me.

00:14:19.640 But here I am in a strip club and I'm serving this girl a meal. 1.00

00:14:25.200 And she takes the spoon of the mac and cheese and she starts hurling, just like shoveling it 1.00

00:14:30.720 into her mouth.

00:14:31.340 And she turns and looks at me and my friend said, you might want to take the pan of mac

00:14:37.520 and cheese over to the other table.

00:14:39.160 She might throw up because she was kind of tipsy.

00:14:42.900 Again, this is my first experience with somebody like this.

00:14:47.020 And so I get the pan and she immediately throws up all over me. 1.00

00:14:52.400 And I'm like, Lord, you have got to be kidding me.

00:14:55.520 You've got to show me why.

00:14:57.300 Like, why am I here?

00:14:58.260 What am I doing?

00:14:58.900 And she immediately grabs my hands in the throat and says, will you pray with me?

00:15:04.720 So we start praying.

00:15:06.440 And this is in the middle of the strip club while everything's going on, lights, music.

00:15:12.380 And she drops to her knees.

00:15:14.760 I drop with her.

00:15:15.840 And she starts crying now to Jesus.

00:15:18.080 And she's like, Jesus, I don't want to do this.

00:15:20.400 Save me.

00:15:20.880 Help me and my babies.

00:15:22.700 And as soon as we get done praying, the DJ had turned off the music.

00:15:27.100 The lights had come on.

00:15:28.900 And in my mind, I'm thinking, well, we're about to get kicked out of this club.

00:15:33.120 She stands up and a sober minded.

00:15:35.700 She looks straight at me and she goes, I think I just met Jesus here tonight.

00:15:40.600 And I'm looking at her and I was like, praise God.

00:15:43.960 Like, that's why I'm here.

00:15:45.380 It's 10 o'clock at night.

00:15:46.560 I'm not here for my health.

00:15:47.720 Right.

00:15:47.940 Like, I'm here because I want these women to know Jesus. 0.88

00:15:51.100 And she she looks at me.

00:15:53.660 She goes, I have so much hope.

00:15:55.320 I am not working here.

00:15:56.580 I'm going to leave.

00:15:58.000 And right about that time, the owner of the club came over and tapped her on her shoulder.

00:16:01.180 And he said, you're not going to be able to work here.

00:16:03.740 You're too disruptive.

00:16:04.660 This isn't a place for you.

00:16:05.940 I've called you a cab.

00:16:07.000 You need to go.

00:16:08.360 In the state of Kentucky, if you're tipsy or if you're drunk, the owner has to call

00:16:12.520 you a cab to go home.

00:16:14.560 And so he had done that.

00:16:15.800 So we packed up all of the food that we had made and bagged it up and walked out to the

00:16:20.580 cab with her.

00:16:21.120 And she gets in the cab.

00:16:22.500 And I looked at her.

00:16:23.580 I said, hold on.

00:16:24.200 I didn't even get your name.

00:16:26.160 And she looks at me and she said, my name is Scarlett.

00:16:28.620 And she smiles at me.

00:16:30.780 And that's it.

00:16:31.720 She drove off and in the cab.

00:16:34.120 And my friends, my two friends that were with me were behind me.

00:16:37.240 And we stood there for what seemed like forever.

00:16:39.640 But it was just a few seconds.

00:16:41.500 And I remember feeling, I am standing on holy ground.

00:16:45.220 Like God is here.

00:16:47.360 And so all of us said, well, the name's Scarlett Hope.

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00:17:55.180 Tell us about some of the women that you met, that you talked to, and what their stories

00:18:07.940 were.

00:18:09.920 So, I mean, I have thousands of stories at this point, but a couple of the ones that come

00:18:15.300 to my mind instantly every time I'm asked.

00:18:17.180 One of the first women that I did meet in the clubs, she had never, ever interacted with

00:18:25.820 anyone that was a Christian.

00:18:28.900 I immediately thought to myself, how can this even be?

00:18:32.200 We live in America, right?

00:18:33.740 But she grew up in extreme poverty.

00:18:35.700 She grew up with extreme abuse in her family.

00:18:37.900 And one of the things that I learned about her in her world was actually her family was

00:18:43.560 in a cult.

00:18:44.780 And when she turned 18, they not only sold her to an older man, but they also forced her

00:18:52.880 to go into the strip clubs. 0.64

00:18:54.540 And so when I was meeting her, she was young, 18 years old.

00:18:59.200 She had just no idea that there was kindness in the world, that there was even a home-cooked

00:19:05.960 meal.

00:19:06.280 So I began just talking to her and getting to know her and showing up in small ways.

00:19:13.200 She would tell us little things like, I don't have food for my—she already had a daughter 0.99

00:19:17.520 that she had had at 16.

00:19:19.060 I don't have food for my daughter.

00:19:20.740 And so we would show up with food.

00:19:22.720 Eventually, this would lead to her coming to church with me, and she ended up giving her

00:19:27.700 life to the Lord after a few times of attending church, getting baptized.

00:19:32.060 Well, that next week, I saw her back in the club. 0.98

00:19:36.580 And I will never forget this moment in time because she immediately, as soon as she saw

00:19:42.000 me, she dropped to the floor and covered herself. 1.00

00:19:45.700 And when I went over to her, I put my hand on her back and I said, I said, are you okay?

00:19:51.840 Like, what's going on?

00:19:52.940 She goes, for the first time, I actually feel naked.

00:19:56.220 And she had never connected these, you know—well, first of all, she was a new baby, baby Christian,

00:20:04.420 right?

00:20:04.700 Because she had just given her life to the Lord on Sunday.

00:20:07.580 That day, she walked out of the clubs and left the clubs. 0.96

00:20:10.180 And we helped her get into a program, a transitional living program with her daughter.

00:20:15.240 And that was, you know, almost 17 years ago, 17, 18 years ago.

00:20:21.480 And she is now a licensed counselor at a drug treatment facility, now walking alongside other

00:20:29.760 women who have similar stories. 0.65

00:20:31.640 Her daughter, who had experienced abuse and all of that, is now—she's in college, she's

00:20:41.440 like not going down that same path.

00:20:43.720 And it's just this beautiful picture of when God met her in that strip club through church

00:20:51.140 ladies and called her out of that darkness, what God can do with somebody's life. 0.79

00:20:57.060 And it wasn't easy.

00:20:58.380 It was messy.

00:20:58.980 But that was one of my first and favorite stories that still continues today.

00:21:04.840 Wow.

00:21:05.360 And just the presence of the Holy Spirit in her life.

00:21:07.700 And it reminds me so much of Adam and Eve, that the knowledge of good and evil can bring

00:21:12.940 like shame of sin.

00:21:14.440 Once you realize there's a difference between right and wrong, and you've been caught in

00:21:18.200 sin, all of us have had that in one way or another.

00:21:20.900 And you realize that what I'm doing is wrong.

00:21:23.580 Like God can use that conviction and that guilt to change your life.

00:21:27.700 And so what a moment that you got to witness there, just the reality of the Holy Spirit.

00:21:32.100 There's no other explanation for that.

00:21:34.000 Someone who really didn't know anything different until the Holy Spirit came into her life and

00:21:38.180 then that generational redemption.

00:21:40.900 Was there anyone else that you met in those initial interactions that at first resisted,

00:21:46.940 was like, I don't want to talk to these church ladies. 0.99

00:21:49.600 You mentioned church hurt, that eventually over time you were able to build a relationship with.

00:21:55.660 I think that can just give us a lesson for all of us who might be in a similar situation.

00:22:01.580 Yeah, absolutely.

00:22:02.720 Another one of my favorite stories is a woman who, this was one of our clubs that,

00:22:09.720 it was like our 10th club that we started serving.

00:22:12.160 And when we first came in, she immediately met us with hostility.

00:22:17.520 And not just any hostility, she was cussing at us. 0.99

00:22:22.780 She would tell us how much she hated Christians, how much she did not believe in God because 0.54

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00:22:32.160 This was week after week after week after week, this would go on.

00:22:35.760 And the owner of the club that let us in, he had heard good things about us.

00:22:41.780 And so he had continued to let us in, even though she would cause

00:22:45.260 a massive amount of disruptions every time we would come in.

00:22:49.640 I would always go up to her and say, do you want something to eat?

00:22:52.920 And she would say, I'm not eating your disgusting food.

00:22:55.760 This would go on for about two years.

00:22:59.200 And then she got in a fight in the club and got kicked out of the club. 0.97

00:23:03.480 I had no contact for her.

00:23:05.760 Nothing.

00:23:06.400 And about nine months later, we got a call at our office and it was her.

00:23:11.600 And ironically, her name is Allie.

00:23:14.080 And she said, is Rochelle there?

00:23:17.000 And so I was the one that answered the call.

00:23:19.820 I said, this is, you know, this is Rochelle.

00:23:22.080 She said, you don't probably remember me, but I was the girl that hated you in the club. 0.99

00:23:28.000 And I said, oh, I do remember you.

00:23:31.340 And she said, well, guess what?

00:23:33.580 Would you come over for Thanksgiving?

00:23:34.960 I have something to show you.

00:23:36.700 So she invited me to her house for Thanksgiving.

00:23:40.120 And you didn't know what to expect.

00:23:41.580 I was like, should I go or should I not?

00:23:43.340 I took one of our staff members with us and I was like, let's go.

00:23:47.200 Let's see what the Lord could be up to.

00:23:49.160 So we went over.

00:23:50.480 And as soon as we walked in the door, there was scripture all over her walls, everywhere.

00:23:57.020 And she sat us down, had prepared a table for us with a Thanksgiving meal.

00:24:02.680 And she said, I've given my life to the Lord.

00:24:04.960 The Lord met me in a dream.

00:24:06.560 And the first people I thought of was you all.

00:24:10.840 But I couldn't get a hold of you.

00:24:12.720 So I finally got a hold of somebody that knew you.

00:24:16.420 And she said, I want to start serving in your ministry.

00:24:20.080 And so long story short, this woman now is serving in foster care ministry at my church.

00:24:29.040 And she has done several things with us as well.

00:24:31.680 But one of the things that that always shows me is that I don't always have to be.

00:24:36.040 We planted the seeds, but we're not always going to be present when God brings the harvest.

00:24:40.780 And it's God's grace that I got to know about Allie's story.

00:24:45.000 And I still do get to know about Allie's story and see her impact other people.

00:24:49.720 Totally.

00:24:50.280 And I'm just reminded of that verse is like, you prepare a table for me in the presence of my enemies.

00:24:55.260 And I don't really think that that's exactly what that passage is talking about.

00:24:59.740 And of course, she wasn't your enemy.

00:25:01.640 But at one point, she did perceive you as her enemy.

00:25:04.940 And the Lord just like used a feast.

00:25:08.180 I think to me, that's like a foretaste of heaven.

00:25:10.860 That He gave you the grace to see that here on this side of eternity.

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00:25:17.820 I'm going to start crying.

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00:25:24.500 It's just amazing.

00:25:25.220 Like what the Lord does to intertwine our testimonies and how so much of the fruit of what is being sown today won't be seen until heaven.

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00:26:45.120 So it didn't stay just at strip clubs, right?

00:26:48.820 Y'all moved on to also serving women in the porn industry.

00:26:52.820 But how exactly do you go about that since it's not like a tangible place that you can go and meet these women?

00:26:58.540 So in about, you know, I go all the way back to 2010 when the iPhone started coming on to the scene really significantly and online exploitation started and pornography started advancing.

00:27:14.300 I started then asking God, will you please provide a way to reach people online?

00:27:20.600 But it would be until 2018 when I was in Seattle, where I learned of a software being created by Microsoft called, it was at their Tech Against Trafficking event.

00:27:35.240 And they were creating this software that would identify victims online and allow NGOs and nonprofits to text them and reach them.

00:27:46.160 Well, I immediately walked straight up to the person in charge and I said, you better sign me up for that.

00:27:53.020 And we became their first customer in 2019 and subscribed to this software.

00:27:58.760 And in that first year, we reached 18,000 individuals.

00:28:03.340 So what the software does is there are hundreds and thousands of websites selling illicit services.

00:28:10.400 And the software goes onto those websites and it finds all of the public identification that's on the on that site.

00:28:19.200 It then allows us at groups like Scarlet Hope and other nonprofits to identify victims in any zip code in the entire United States and be able to text bulk text those people.

00:28:34.060 And it's an incredible technology that said, 2019 to 2022, we were expanding it into nine cities around the U.S.

00:28:45.980 And they eventually came to me and said, do you want to acquire the software?

00:28:50.460 Well, I didn't even have to say I didn't have to think about it.

00:28:53.100 I was like, how much do you want for it?

00:28:54.680 You know, God helped us fundraise in three weeks and we were able to raise the money needed to acquire the software.

00:29:01.180 And now we operate the full software.

00:29:06.000 And that has opened my eyes to to the connection between exploitation, human trafficking and the pornography industry and and what where that's going.

00:29:19.000 And so it is our largest outreach that we have to date.

00:29:22.900 We still go to strip clubs and brothels, but we reached about one hundred and twenty thousand victims last year that are being exploited and trafficked. 0.91

00:29:29.740 Okay. Tell me about the responses.

00:29:32.260 Is there one particular story that stands out of someone who responded and then turned away from that?

00:29:40.000 Yes, absolutely.

00:29:41.100 I mean, again, thousands of stories already by God's grace.

00:29:46.000 But one that stands out is a woman we text at eight thirty in the morning. 1.00

00:29:49.720 You would not think that would be a reasonable time to text somebody who's probably working at night.

00:29:53.580 But this woman woke up to our text about five minutes after we sent it and she said, is this real?

00:30:01.620 The text message that we sent said, hey, is there any do you need any prayer or any resources?

00:30:08.320 We'd love to help.

00:30:09.520 That's as simple as it said.

00:30:11.900 She said, is this real?

00:30:13.520 And our team immediately responded back and said, absolutely.

00:30:17.720 We're a group of women from an organization and we would love to pray for you.

00:30:22.340 And she said, I almost committed suicide last night and I prayed that if God was real, he would give me a sign.

00:30:31.020 Within two hours, this victim was sitting in our office.

00:30:34.440 She was just five miles down the street from our office, though we had never met her before.

00:30:40.360 What we learned about her was at 14 years old, she was she was sex trafficked and 16 years old, she gets pregnant.

00:30:49.340 Her sex trafficker forces her to have an abortion by 18.

00:30:53.180 She's full in this industry, addicted to drugs, 18 to 22. 1.00

00:30:58.160 She's trafficked all over the country.

00:31:01.280 And at 22, she had gained a lot of weight and her trafficker kicked her out and said, you're no longer valuable to me.

00:31:08.160 And she became homeless.

00:31:10.360 And so it was very shortly after that, that our text had come through to her.

00:31:15.900 And she she said, I just had gotten to the end of my rope, that there was no hope, that there was nobody to help.

00:31:23.180 My family had disowned me, yet no one knew what was going on in my life for so many years.

00:31:28.960 And so we were able to get her into a long term treatment facility that would walk alongside her and get her, you know, to a healthy place. 0.93

00:31:38.300 But that that that right there showed the power of technology, number one, using it for good.

00:31:44.980 And that a simple text can really change and save a life.

00:31:50.240 Totally. Oh, my goodness.

00:31:51.760 I mean, again, just the redemption and how God works.

00:31:54.520 I think I've been holding back tears this entire episode.

00:31:57.260 You mentioned earlier this commonality of church hurt that a lot of these women in this industry have. 1.00

00:32:03.160 What is another characteristic that you seem to see in story after story of these women that you interact with?

00:32:11.020 You know, and I know we're going to talk about this in a little bit about the movie, but it's this wound of not having a father or, you know, in some cases, a mother.

00:32:23.260 However, it was very early on when I was sharing the gospel with one of the women, and she said to me this phrase that I'll really know.

00:32:33.580 It's like burned in my memory. 0.97

00:32:35.600 How could I ever believe in God as a father if my own father raped me and abused me? 0.95

00:32:41.780 And, you know, to this day, it's still something that's so hard to sit with somebody in. 0.97

00:32:51.000 But I knew God would never want that for her or would never say, you know, that that was caused by God or any of that.

00:33:01.180 And so I sat with her in this for a really long time, and I learned that that same storyline is in many of these women.

00:33:09.940 And I think that is another commonality and another thing that our ministry has to really work through and overcome and show them.

00:33:20.060 I say it a lot of times, Jesus with skin on so that they can actually start to experience the hands and feet of Jesus first before we are actually preaching at them or telling them, you know, what they should believe, which we never do.

00:33:35.060 But we want to show them what God is like as a father and as a good God before we often get to, you know, the misconceptions about God or what they have always believed.

00:33:51.600 And it's combating, like with grace, truth, and time, that's our recipe that we believe wholeheartedly in.

00:33:57.800 With those three things operating, we've seen God change so many lives.

00:34:04.800 Yeah.

00:34:05.380 And when you say that you're not telling them what to believe, I just want to clarify for people, you are unapologetically sharing the gospel with them, telling them about the truth of God's love and the truth of Christ and all of that.

00:34:18.620 But what you mean is that when they come to you about misconceptions about God or whatever false beliefs they have, you're not sitting there and saying, well, let me give you a theology lesson right now.

00:34:28.260 This is why you're wrong.

00:34:29.880 It's like you're loving them.

00:34:31.960 You're ingratiating yourself to them through the Holy Spirit, through that relationship.

00:34:36.580 And when the time comes, you're there and ready.

00:34:39.100 Well, this is why I love you.

00:34:40.760 This is why I'm here, to share the truth of the gospel.

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00:35:48.620 A lot of people also don't realize the trafficking that's happening like right beneath our noses, especially when it comes to these like major events.

00:35:59.540 I remember learning a couple of years ago that the Super Bowl is a time when a lot of trafficking, a lot of prostitution happens.

00:36:06.580 And it's also events like the World Cup.

00:36:09.060 But I've heard you talk about this.

00:36:10.380 The World Cup is coming up in June.

00:36:11.940 And that's a high-trafficking event.

00:36:14.040 So what does that even mean?

00:36:16.200 And how are you involved in combating that?

00:36:20.120 Any sporting event is going to raise, you know, tourism.

00:36:25.260 It's going to raise any industry that's in a city where it's held.

00:36:29.140 It just so happens to also raise exploitation and trafficking.

00:36:33.820 Why we're focused on the World Cup is there's an estimated 8 million visitors coming from other countries to the United States.

00:36:42.200 And, you know, the World Cup is happening in 11 major cities.

00:36:45.860 And those cities, all of that will increase.

00:36:49.440 And so what we've done in the past is for several Super Bowls now, we have sent teams to do on-the-ground missions where we're reaching people not only digitally and online, but we're also reaching people on the street and in clubs.

00:37:04.200 So for the World Cup, we are estimating actually in the month of June to come into contact and reach 30,000 women.

00:37:14.080 And could those be a lot of women that are already residing here? 1.00

00:37:17.680 Absolutely. But all of that will increase, as well as we'll see human trafficking increase during that time.

00:37:25.400 So we're focusing right now on Dallas, Atlanta, Miami, and L.A. as the major cities that we'll send teams to and have a response for victims when they need it.

00:37:37.660 What exactly does that look like, the response?

00:37:40.200 Yeah. So when we do digital outreach, we will reach, for example, the Super Bowl this year, we reached 2,500 people.

00:37:49.460 And several victims that were being trafficked reached out to our lines that we were texting them on and told us they needed help.

00:37:57.100 So our team went and met them in a secure location, and we were able to provide services to where they were able to get out of that situation.

00:38:07.280 And so that's what it looks like on sort of the rescue side of things.

00:38:10.440 But it also looks like showing up on the streets where women are working and meeting them with a gift and some food and a rose.

00:38:20.980 And that's one of my favorite outreaches we do during sporting events because, believe it or not, there's all sorts of people walking around the stadiums and the different neighborhoods nearby.

00:38:30.300 And so that's always a beautiful way to meet people right where they're at.

00:38:35.020 What else do you wish people knew, either about trafficking or women who are just working in the sex industry? 0.98

00:38:43.820 Man, I wish they knew a lot of things, really.

00:38:46.740 I'm, you know, there's always, I'm always told, like, those people or them.

00:38:54.180 Why do you go to them?

00:38:55.280 And one of the things that I've always taught is at the foot of the cross, we are all the same.

00:39:02.680 All of our sin put Jesus on the cross.

00:39:05.460 And so I wish that there were more Christians that had a heart that broke for what God's heart breaks for and saw people in this, you know, saw the people in the industry not for maybe what they do, but who they were supposed to be.

00:39:24.800 They were created in God's image.

00:39:27.300 And that's the message that we share over and over again is that these women are created in God's image, that Christ died for them and rose for them, and that there is hope in his blood.

00:39:39.980 And over and over again, women in the sex industry are finding hope in that message. 0.58

00:39:46.560 What is the connection between pornography and the sex industry strip clubs?

00:39:54.640 Because I think a lot of people think of that as separate.

00:39:56.640 They even think of it as separate from trafficking.

00:39:58.840 But all of those things really work together, right?

00:40:01.240 Yeah.

00:40:01.980 I mean, pornography has been stated as a gateway, entryway to like physical commercial sex industry establishments.

00:40:13.620 Oftentimes, as we already know, pornography is a very prevalent issue in our world, not just with men, but also with women now.

00:40:22.820 And it always typically leads to then the acceptance of going to a strip club, going to an illegal massage brothel. 1.00

00:40:33.240 And we haven't even talked about that because that is one of the fastest growing areas in exploitation right now is Asian massage parlors. 0.95

00:40:41.600 And so pornography is a gateway to those things.

00:40:45.520 They also go hand in hand.

00:40:47.140 Where we have met somebody online, she also works in a strip club. 0.99

00:40:51.480 And she might also work in a brothel. 1.00

00:40:53.940 And so I think with the online industry growing at such a rapid rate, and there's – so we've identified 3.2 million victims that are online,

00:41:05.820 where there's an estimated 480,000 independent workers in strip clubs. 1.00

00:41:10.580 So – and there's – quite a few of those are overlapping.

00:41:14.760 So it really just all is this ecosystem of evil and darkness that needs to be reached.

00:41:20.540 Okay.

00:41:21.180 Tell us more about the Asian massage parlors because I had heard of that, but more like, okay, that's like a one-off thing that might happen in a sketchy area in Chinatown or something.

00:41:32.640 But you said that it's fast growing.

00:41:34.460 This is something that's happening like prevalently across the country.

00:41:38.500 In Dallas, there's 202 known illicit massage brothels that are actively selling illicit services.

00:41:49.100 And that's in, like, comparison to about 33 strip clubs. 0.96

00:41:54.200 So – and then the online industry in Dallas has about 13,000 unique – what we would call unique victims in it.

00:42:02.040 So there's the quick picture of the industry.

00:42:04.700 When we have – we're not – you know, we don't have numbers on individuals working in those 202 Asian massage parlors because it changes and fluctuates.

00:42:14.480 And – but I work with companies that are actively trying to shut those down and trying to rescue the victims that are in there.

00:42:22.640 Yeah.

00:42:23.640 And are those women always being trafficked? 1.00

00:42:28.260 Or, I mean, do they, through a series of circumstances, just find themselves there?

00:42:32.620 Are there any women who sign up for that? 1.00

00:42:34.980 I mean, what does that look like?

00:42:37.180 So what I've come to learn – so we do – our model is very similar in the illicit massage parlors as it is in the strip clubs.

00:42:44.400 So we bring home-cooked meals to the illicit massage brothels that allow us to come in. 1.00

00:42:49.840 But what I have learned about the Asian massage parlors are all of those people are either sex trafficked or labor trafficked.

00:42:57.580 Wow.

00:42:58.020 And so they're not necessarily here by their choice.

00:43:01.840 They came to America because they thought they were going to get something better.

00:43:06.260 And when that didn't – you know, when they got here and there's all sorts of systems and very corrupt systems that are bringing these people here, they get trapped in these places.

00:43:17.000 We also have a ministry that we worked with and we've trained that they've sat with about five different Asian massage parlors.

00:43:24.660 And the women that are in there are – in their culture, they believe this is acceptable, that this isn't actually wrong.

00:43:34.140 And so when they're given an opportunity, like when we work alongside sting operations to – at illicit massage brothels, they oftentimes don't choose to get help.

00:43:46.160 And that's for either fear of their life or because they don't think that inherently they're doing anything wrong or that anything wrong is being done to them.

00:43:55.440 Do you ever get pushback from people who say – because when I've talked about the dangers of pornography and, you know, how I think our laws need to change because it's a legal loophole for sex trafficking, all of this.

00:44:09.080 It's, well, these women are doing this consensually. 1.00

00:44:12.400 This is the choice that they're making.

00:44:14.440 You don't have to agree with it, but they're not all victims.

00:44:16.940 I wonder if you ever get people saying that.

00:44:19.220 Why do you call them all victims?

00:44:20.640 Maybe they feel empowered by their OnlyFans or by their Instagram account where they're, you know, getting paid money for sex and things like that.

00:44:27.180 How do you see that?

00:44:28.620 I get that a lot.

00:44:30.460 And I'm sure we're going to get that from this.

00:44:33.420 Yes, there are women absolutely in the industry that tell us they are there because it is women's empowerment that they are working in that industry and they're taking back their rights and all of these things.

00:44:48.780 But I have talked to tens of thousands of women in 19 years, and even the women that say that have some sort of vulnerability that happened a long time ago, potentially, that led them there or led them to the storyline of their life that believes that that is empowering.

00:45:08.560 And again, one of the things I always try to train our volunteers on is we should not be surprised that that is something that they, especially if they're not a Christian, and if they are not a believer, why would they believe anything different than what the world has told them or what they believe is powerful and impactful for them?

00:45:30.220 And so we treat those women exactly the same way.

00:45:34.260 And we love them.

00:45:36.120 We show up and time and time again, when they tell me why I like doing this, I don't want anything to do with the church ladies.

00:45:44.980 You know, we just stay steady and maintain the truth of the word and tell them that we love them, that the same message we're giving to everybody else is the same message for them.

00:45:56.580 And I've actually seen a couple of those women come to know the Lord.

00:46:00.040 A woman who has been a very prolific prostitute escort, she's been in the porn industry, has actually given her life to the Lord very recently.

00:46:14.640 And her story has every facet of abuse in it, every facet of glamour in it. 0.97

00:46:23.640 And yet at the end of the day, what she would tell me before she would give her life, before she gave her life to the Lord is I am so empty, I want to die.

00:46:32.800 And that's what she would tell me over and over and over again.

00:46:35.580 And eventually there was a window of time, something happened in her life that was scary, that caused her to call me one night.

00:46:42.960 And she was scared for her life, that if she really did die, where would she go?

00:46:48.520 What would that look like?

00:46:49.700 And the Lord met her in that moment, and she gave her life to the Lord.

00:46:54.280 And it's not pretty.

00:46:56.280 There's a lot of things that have to change in her life in order to completely get out of that lifestyle. 0.98

00:47:01.580 But now the Lord has opened her eyes, and now she can begin to journey with Him.

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00:48:01.620 You talked about, and we talked about just a little bit, just that common thread of fatherlessness that seems to be in almost every woman's story.

00:48:13.680 Just wanting that security and affirmation, not getting it from their dad, seeking it elsewhere.

00:48:19.960 And of course, you know, single motherhood can bring an increased rate of poverty and desperation and all of that. 0.84

00:48:27.000 That can also contribute to these women ending up where they are. 1.00

00:48:30.000 You were part of a documentary that really honed in on fatherlessness and the damage that it causes.

00:48:37.140 Can you talk more about that?

00:48:39.220 Yeah.

00:48:39.580 The documentary is called He Calls Me Daughter.

00:48:42.080 And when Rick Altizer, the director, called me about a year and a half ago to be a part of it, I heard his pitch, and I immediately was like, I mean, this is what I hear every single day.

00:48:54.820 But ultimately, anything that takes away the ability for us to see God as a father is tied to some sort of wound or father wound, as we've come to know.

00:49:17.100 So this documentary explores five different people, one of which came from our ministry named Priscilla.

00:49:24.280 It explores their father wounds and what that did and what that led them to do, whether it was overachieving or working really hard to earn favor or approval or validation.

00:49:37.100 And then it explores the turn where God met them and they were able to surrender and accept and learn that God was their father, their heavenly father that loved them perfectly.

00:49:51.540 And that the process of being a part of this documentary has been really, really beautiful because I've gotten to know more and more women's stories.

00:50:02.520 And even several of them have had their eyes open to, you know, I never really could put my finger on it.

00:50:10.660 But now that I'm seeing this documentary and I'm more aware of it, then I can name it and I can give it over to the Lord and he can begin to heal that.

00:50:21.320 And so that's what the movie is about.

00:50:22.920 And it's coming out March 17th and 18th.

00:50:26.260 Okay, good.

00:50:26.740 I really want everyone to watch it.

00:50:28.800 It comes out in theaters, right?

00:50:30.460 Limited release.

00:50:31.360 So people need to go online.

00:50:33.040 He calls me daughter and get their tickets, go support it.

00:50:37.240 And you never know.

00:50:38.320 Also, this could be like a gospel sharing opportunity for someone in your life, whether or not they have a background of fatherlessness, pointing to God the father is just a way to reach out to them.

00:50:50.600 And how do we talk to someone who says, you know, what you said someone said earlier, well, my dad assaulted me.

00:50:57.660 My dad was terrible.

00:50:59.600 Why would I want to turn to a father of all things?

00:51:01.920 I could turn to so many other things.

00:51:03.140 Why would I want to turn to a father?

00:51:05.080 What is the message that we have for this woman?

00:51:07.100 I think the message is, what does it look like to surrender to a deeper relationship with Christ?

00:51:20.420 Because, and I can use Priscilla, for example, she's in the movie and she's, I've been discipling her for a very long time.

00:51:28.580 She said to me, way before this movie ever came into our world, that she would never believe, she could believe in God, but she would not believe in Jesus as a man.

00:51:39.980 And that, that was it.

00:51:44.300 She was not going to go any further.

00:51:46.120 But one of the things that I said to her, and I would say to any woman listening to this is, what is the enemy trying to keep you from?

00:51:54.240 And that day that Priscilla and I had this conversation, I said, what if the Lord has something deeper and better and more intimate for you?

00:52:04.660 And the enemy is trying to, to create a barrier there.

00:52:07.940 And that like stayed in her heart and her mind.

00:52:10.900 And so then when this, you know, her journey is so beautiful, you see it in the movie, but God did reveal himself to her in a, in a closer way.

00:52:19.960 And she did eventually come to know Jesus as her savior.

00:52:23.360 But she eventually realized that the enemy was trying to really destroy her intimacy with God and, and cause her to still strive and work towards him loving her.

00:52:37.060 When God was like, I love you perfectly, just the way that you are.

00:52:41.960 Yeah.

00:52:42.680 Gosh, such an important message.

00:52:43.900 And how good is God that he presents himself as father, knowing that that's such a deep need that all of us have.

00:52:49.760 And that this fatherlessness causes a vulnerability that only he can really rescue everyone from.

00:52:57.180 And he's just so good in that way.

00:52:58.800 Um, I want to round out the conversation with a message specifically to parents, because I'm sure you've learned a lot about the sophisticated methods that are used to present kids and young people with pornography to kind of groom them into being okay with the sexualization and objectification of their bodies.

00:53:20.220 But also just like the outright outreach used through Instagram and TikTok and some of these games and things online of these traffickers to exploit young people.

00:53:31.160 So just so parents are aware, especially those of teens, um, to know how this works.

00:53:36.520 Talk about some of those methods that traffickers use.

00:53:39.800 Absolutely.

00:53:40.300 I think it is.

00:53:41.200 Parents reach out to, uh, to me and our ministry a lot asking these questions.

00:53:45.820 So I'm going to start with a quick story here.

00:53:49.320 There were a couple of young teenagers that, um, met a guy through Instagram when they were 16.

00:53:56.580 And this guy had picked up and noticed that they were seeking attention, right?

00:54:03.800 Like most young girls are. 1.00

00:54:06.040 And, um, he portrayed himself as also a 16 year old man.

00:54:11.900 And eventually when they turned 18, he had built trust with them so significantly that by the time they were 18 and they could do, make their own choices, he had promised them a modeling gig in Atlanta, Georgia.

00:54:25.800 And so, um, her and her friend, and she got another friend to go down to Atlanta, Georgia and go to this big mansion where many women were living. 1.00

00:54:35.940 And all of a sudden they found themselves in, um, what I call a modeling trafficking scam where they were not modeling.

00:54:44.240 That was not at all what it was going to be, but they were going to be for, for weeks and weeks and weeks dropped off at strip clubs at 18 years old, forced to bring a certain amount of money home.

00:54:53.560 And when they weren't, when they didn't bring a certain amount of money home, they were beat and they were all sorts of horrible things.

00:55:00.920 And so I started, you know, just talking to different organizations and, and trying to figure out this was the method that a lot of traffickers are using.

00:55:19.140 A lot of pimps are using.

00:55:20.260 And so what I would tell parents is there's a couple of things.

00:55:25.660 One is we need to teach our kids where they get their validation and affirmation from.

00:55:31.260 We cannot be apathetic parents.

00:55:34.540 We have to be involved in their lives.

00:55:36.940 We cannot give them full access and carte blanche to every social media platform.

00:55:41.840 It is dangerous.

00:55:43.420 And it is something that the traffickers know very well how to spot a young girl or even a young boy that needs attention.

00:55:52.640 Maybe a kid, you know, the video games is now one of those areas that traffickers and groomers are getting involved in and they know what to look for.

00:56:05.120 Kids that are always online, you know, young boys that are always online.

00:56:09.360 And so these things are going on.

00:56:10.880 They're very smart.

00:56:11.900 And, and I think as parents, we don't know what to do.

00:56:15.460 And the pressure of like young teenagers needing to be on social media and needing to have a phone is very real.

00:56:23.840 And so I understand all of those pressures.

00:56:25.900 But I think if I was to say one thing is don't be apathetic.

00:56:32.120 Be involved.

00:56:33.680 Pay attention.

00:56:34.700 Know the signs.

00:56:35.620 Understand what your daughter and or son is dressing like and, you know, what, what signs and signals are they giving to the outside world and really pay attention to those things.

00:56:49.860 Yeah.

00:56:50.360 My opinion is that no one needs to have access to like unfettered, unsupervised access to these smart devices, whether it be a tablet or a TV or a phone, especially not alone, not in their room.

00:57:05.620 I don't think before the age of 18 years old and any access to technology that our kids have has to be highly supervised.

00:57:15.280 But even then realizing that our kids will outsmart us when it comes to technology, those of us who still consider ourselves and like, oh, no, I'm so savvy.

00:57:24.880 But you even see little kids being able to, you know, swipe through a phone so quickly.

00:57:29.180 It's so instinctive for them that you could see how they could easily outsmart you.

00:57:34.480 And so it is a level of discipline and self-control and effort really on the side of the parent, even more than on the side of the child to make sure that they're protected in that way.

00:57:47.340 But that piece that you said even before that and beyond that, I think is so important that first and foremost, they need to know where their worth comes from and get the kind of healthy affirmation that they need so that they are not constantly desperate for something.

00:58:06.120 Because all of us, we want affection.

00:58:09.440 We want affirmation.

00:58:10.540 We want validation.

00:58:11.740 We want to know that we're loved, that we're good enough by someone.

00:58:14.420 And having good parents obviously doesn't necessarily prevent every bad thing from happening or every bad choice that your child is going to make.

00:58:23.600 But it sounds like what you found is that that is what is missing in the lives of so many of these women who are being exploited.

00:58:31.560 And I also just one thing that I just want to like make sure that people understand, because I think a lot of people hear this stuff that you're talking about and they're like, well, that only happens to seedy women in seedy parts of town.

00:58:43.040 Like, my kid goes to a private Christian school.

00:58:46.860 That would just never happen.

00:58:49.120 Like, we're wealthy.

00:58:50.180 We live in a good neighborhood or whatever.

00:58:52.440 I just want parents to hear that that is not the right mentality, right?

00:58:56.380 No, that is not the right mentality.

00:58:58.840 And even more so today, there is no, like, trafficking does not discriminate.

00:59:05.100 I know stories of pastors' daughters that have been trafficked, and it actually started on social media.

00:59:14.860 And so if your kid, no matter who you are, if you're uber wealthy or, you know, what you feel like is just a common person that this would never happen to, that's not the truth anymore.

00:59:31.640 It does not discriminate age.

00:59:33.680 It does not discriminate wealth or area of town either.

00:59:39.280 And I would actually argue that this day and age, unfortunately, the wealthier, the girls coming from upbringings where they're wealthy and they have access to a lot are actually what the pimps and traffickers are looking for. 1.00

00:59:57.800 And so I just, I really just think I'm with you.

01:00:03.560 Like, no kid under 18 really should have access to these things.

01:00:07.840 I mean, your brain's not even formed.

01:00:11.300 So it's hard to teach that.

01:00:13.940 But to go back just really quickly, again, is validation and affirmation are very powerful currencies.

01:00:21.860 And traffickers know that.

01:00:25.080 And so if we, if our children are finding that belonging in their home, then they will know the difference when something like that comes their way.

01:00:38.200 They won't be seeking it out because it'll already be fulfilled.

01:00:41.800 And yes, there is no right parent.

01:00:44.240 There's no perfect father.

01:00:45.240 There's no perfect mother.

01:00:46.240 But it's something we need to pay attention to.

01:00:48.180 So if people are listening to this, watching this, and they're like, OK, wow, I feel convicted.

01:00:53.980 I want to help Scarlet Hope or I want to be involved somehow.

01:00:57.820 Where would you encourage them to go first?

01:01:00.300 You can visit scarlethope.org.

01:01:02.240 That'd be the best place to go.

01:01:03.920 You can find out World Cup information and the mission trips there.

01:01:07.880 And then, of course, hecallsmedaughter.org about the movie.

01:01:10.860 Perfect.

01:01:11.400 Well, thank you so much.

01:01:12.700 And thank you just for your faithfulness and for your response to God's call.

01:01:17.040 And maybe just this conversation will make our hearts sensitive to what God may be calling

01:01:23.180 us to.

01:01:24.560 I just see so many patterns of God's character in your testimony that when Jesus was with

01:01:31.460 his disciples so often, the ministry moment that they were called to was on the way to

01:01:36.960 doing something else that wasn't their plan or schedule or goal for the day.

01:01:41.340 But God called them on what looked like a detour.

01:01:44.060 That was actually his ultimate goal.

01:01:45.820 And so I think we just have to be open to that, that it could be on the side of the

01:01:49.840 road literally or metaphorically.

01:01:51.960 But like God's will is always the goal.

01:01:54.380 So just thank you so much for being an example of that to us.

01:01:57.620 And I really do encourage people to look at the documentary, to look up your organization

01:02:02.280 and to support it and get involved however you can.

01:02:05.380 Rochelle, thank you so much.

01:02:06.360 Thank you, Allie.

01:02:07.240 Thank you, Allie.

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