Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1315 ｜ James Talarico Is More Demonic Than You Think

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00:01:36.600 Hey guys, happy Monday. Welcome to Relatable. Hope everyone had a wonderful weekend.

00:01:42.420 So James Tallarico won his primary, but the good news is that God's eternal plan of redemption

00:01:49.180 is still going off without a hitch, that nothing surprises him, even Jasmine Crockett losing her

00:01:54.900 election. Nothing takes him aback. Nothing throws him off. He always knows exactly what's going to

00:02:00.320 go on. He is sovereign over everything. R.C. Sproul used to say there are no maverick molecules

00:02:05.900 in all creation. Everything is in accordance to God's perfect will. And even all the craziness

00:02:11.680 and the wickedness and the evil that goes on in the world, while God doesn't cause any of that,

00:02:16.680 he is still completely in control, and he's not doing nothing about that evil. Psalm 37 reminds

00:02:23.700 us that he's coming back, that his anger is kindling, that his wrath is growing, and he will

00:02:29.280 avenge his people. He's not doing nothing about the wickedness and the sin and the injustice that

00:02:34.500 goes on in the world. He is going to take care of it once and for all. He is the God of true justice.

00:02:39.800 He is the source of truth, and when Jesus comes back, he won't arrive again as a meek 0.71

00:02:46.100 and mild baby, but he will come as a warrior to make all things right, to make all things

00:02:52.040 new.

00:02:52.380 So whatever angst you feel about things that are disjointed or disordered or wrong in the

00:02:59.800 world, just trust that God feels much angrier and more incensed about injustice and oppression,

00:03:07.500 and he is going to do something about it.

00:03:09.860 And in the meantime, he has preordained that you and I, believers, that through our obedience,

00:03:17.460 which might seem silly to the world, which might seem even mundane or meaningless to

00:03:22.700 us, that his will is actually accomplished through our words and through our actions.

00:03:27.620 God doesn't need us.

00:03:29.160 He doesn't need our prayer.

00:03:30.680 He doesn't need our evangelism.

00:03:32.340 He doesn't need our acts of courage to glorify himself or to accomplish his purpose.

00:03:36.960 but in his grace and in his providence, he has chosen these things to be a means by which he does

00:03:43.280 his work. And so just know this beautiful comfort that nothing in the life of a believer is wasted.

00:03:50.020 There is nothing truly mundane. There is nothing truly boring or meaningless. Every single thing

00:03:56.460 we do echoes in eternity, and it won't be until the other side of glory that we see the fullness

00:04:01.840 of the tapestry of our testimonies and how God has woven them together.

00:04:07.120 So just remember, doing the next right thing in faith with excellence and for the glory

00:04:10.400 of God, which we say every week on this show, it's not just about you doing the right thing.

00:04:16.100 It is also about advancing God's kingdom, which is done through the mostly unseen and

00:04:21.560 unsung acts of faithfulness of believers.

00:04:25.160 And so we get to be a part of this grand narrative that is because of God always going off without

00:04:31.260 a hitch. No matter what happens in an election, no matter what the political climate here is,

00:04:37.100 no matter what's going on with World War III, God is completely in charge. That's what we

00:04:42.340 take comfort in and we take hope that Jesus will claim ultimate victory once and for all.

00:04:48.480 Part of what we have to do as Christians is be a beacon of clarity and courage in this world that

00:04:54.000 is constantly rewarding cowardice and is rife with confusion and chaos. And when a person rises up

00:05:00.580 who represents that confusion and chaos, but disguises it as light and truth and goodness,

00:05:07.020 it is the responsibility of Christians, especially Christians with a platform,

00:05:11.080 with a microphone like mine or for pastors out there, with a pulpit like yours,

00:05:15.980 to ensure that we are pushing back against the confusion.

00:05:19.080 Because remember, Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.

00:05:22.720 Satan looks good. He sounds good.

00:05:24.940 Remember that the fruit in the Garden of Eden and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil,

00:05:29.220 it looked good. It looked like it would taste good. And remember when Satan is trying to tempt

00:05:34.820 Jesus in the wilderness, what does he use? He uses scripture. So Satan knows the Bible.

00:05:41.620 He makes his lies sound scriptural, sound holy, sound good, and sound palatable to the world.

00:05:48.740 And slowly but surely chips away at our conscience, chips away at our wisdom,

00:05:53.140 and leads us down a literally damning path. And I think the person who is most prominent,

00:05:58.780 that represents that best, that evil disguised as goodness is James Tallarico. James Tallarico

00:06:07.180 is a Texas state representative that is now the Democratic candidate for Senate in Texas. So on

00:06:14.380 March 3rd, Tallarico defeated Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett in the Texas Democratic primary

00:06:19.780 for U.S. Senate. So he defeated her 52.4% to 46.2%, according to CNN. He is really the

00:06:28.640 fastest growing stars, fastest rising stars, I would say, fastest growing really celebrities

00:06:36.300 on the left side. He's got more than 2 million followers on Instagram and 1.6 million on TikTok.

00:06:44.060 And if you look at his opponents on the Republican side, John Cornyn, Ken Paxton,

00:06:49.300 they're in a runoff right now. And so we don't actually know who will be facing him

00:06:53.400 in November on the Republican side, their social media footprint is much, much smaller

00:06:59.480 than his. That is not necessarily an indicator of who is going to win the election. But obviously,

00:07:06.180 that means that Cornyn and Paxton have some work to do, especially when it comes to the younger

00:07:10.220 demographics. There is an analysis of social media engagement among Democratic officials,

00:07:16.000 and Tallarico trailed only Kamala Harris and Barack Obama. Okay, so when it comes to social

00:07:21.120 media influence. Tallarico is number three. This guy reminds me a lot of Beto O'Rourke. Remember

00:07:26.320 Beto ran for a lot of things. He ran primarily or the race that I remember the most was against

00:07:32.960 Ted Cruz. And he was literally that like, how do you do fellow kids meme? If you know what I'm

00:07:40.460 talking about, especially since his prop was actually a skateboard. We'll play you a video

00:07:45.000 of that. Remember that? That was his way to relate to the kids and to relate to the voters.

00:07:50.820 And Tallarico kind of has the same air. He's trying to relate to the young people. But his

00:07:56.720 prop, his way of relating to the youths is following OnlyFans accounts on Instagram. I'm

00:08:01.380 not kidding. That was reported by the New York Post several months ago, despite this kind of

00:08:05.460 choir boy, preacher, Christian shtick that he has going on. It was reported in November 2025 that he

00:08:13.120 was following at least 10 accounts on Instagram belonging to OnlyFans models, escorts, things like

00:08:18.700 that. Just very like weird and creepy. That would have been an absolute disqualifying scandal. I

00:08:24.840 think that if you had someone who called himself a Christian preacher on the Republican right

00:08:29.320 and was following those accounts, you would hear cries of hypocrisy and rightly so. But this was

00:08:34.560 just a blip on the radar for this guy. This was kind of just a feature of his multifaceted

00:08:39.360 personality, I guess. He also appeared on Joe Rogan in July of last year, and we'll play some

00:08:47.100 of those clips. We responded to them at the time, so you can go back and kind of listen to that

00:08:53.180 breakdown. But Rogan told him in that interview that he should run for president. Joe Rogan told

00:08:59.800 James Tallarico this radical leftist that he should run for president. Politico noted that

00:09:04.220 Calarico took a, quote, big tent approach to his campaign by appealing to voters from both parties

00:09:11.580 and independents. And an example of that is his reply to Greg Abbott just the other day after the

00:09:17.680 Austin shooting last weekend, where he said dangerous people should not be allowed into

00:09:24.760 the country. OK, dangerous people should not be allowed to get guns. Texans understand this. He

00:09:30.840 says to Greg Abbott, you apparently don't. Greg Abbott was responding to James Tallarico

00:09:36.180 saying that this was some gun show loophole, which of course is not true. But that's actually

00:09:41.400 the most moderate I've heard James Tallarico. And that is his strategy there. Democrats always 0.94

00:09:47.320 moderate when they're running in these red states. But he is a radical. Just listen to what he

00:09:52.620 actually believes about immigration policy. Southern border should be like our front courts.

00:09:58.460 There should be a giant welcome mat out front.

00:10:01.700 One key to his rising prominence has been promoting a big tent version, not just of

00:10:07.560 the Democrat Party, but also of Christianity.

00:10:11.360 And it's big tent in some sense, in that people of all different faiths and all different

00:10:16.160 backgrounds and all different moralities can be counted as Christian, according to

00:10:20.320 James Tallarico, except for those of us who call ourselves evangelicals and actually believe

00:10:26.480 the Bible to be authoritative.

00:10:27.920 He is a progressive seminary student.

00:10:31.220 He's a former middle school teacher.

00:10:32.820 He publicly supports abortion, homosexuality, and transgenderism, as we will get into.

00:10:39.140 He often appeals to his progressive Christian morals, even though that's an oxymoron, and

00:10:45.740 believes to defend his arguments and his policy positions, even as he criticizes conservative

00:10:50.520 Christians for being Christian nationalists, for bringing our convictions into the public

00:10:55.240 square.

00:10:55.740 in similar ways but with opposite views and this is a tactic that has made him go viral

00:11:01.360 several times in the past year and has made him very appealing to a lot of people even moderate

00:11:07.280 so we'll go through some of those views and we'll go into his background what led James Tallarico

00:11:12.880 to the place that he is now and what was the theological upbringing and the influence on his

00:11:19.040 life that made him land on some of the wildest and most unhinged positions that you can think of

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00:12:26.500 sevenweekscoffee.com. In 2021, Tallarico put God into radical transgender ideology and his support 0.85

00:12:40.160 for laws that would allow kids to be mutilated on the Texas house floor. Here's thought one.

00:12:45.640 the first two lines of the bible the first two lines in genesis use two different hebrew words

00:12:55.720 to describe god one is the masculine hebrew noun for divinity the second is the feminine hebrew

00:13:06.020 noun for spirit. God is both masculine and feminine and everything in between. God is

00:13:16.400 non-binary. So it's actually true that God is not male or female like we are. He doesn't have 0.99

00:13:25.040 a body like we do. And yet this statement is inaccurate because God consistently refers to

00:13:33.580 himself as Father, as King, as Lord, in masculine terms. Also, if you go down further into Genesis

00:13:43.880 1, Genesis 1.27, it's very clear that regardless of what you think about the masculine features

00:13:50.000 or the feminine features of God the Father, what is clear is that he made us male and female.

00:13:56.960 There are not multiple words there used for male and female. In fact, we read that God

00:14:01.800 made man in his image, male and female, he created them. So he didn't say male, female,

00:14:07.680 and non-binary, that he made multiple forms of chromosomal combinations that you can have besides

00:14:14.480 XX and XY. He created us male and female. So we see Tallarico, this theme over and over again,

00:14:22.260 that he really uses God as a mascot, as a means to advance his political ends. He does not submit

00:14:28.840 to God as the ruler and the authority over the universe, if he actually believed what Genesis

00:14:34.220 1 says, that in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth, then he would see if he's

00:14:39.420 creator, then he's also the ruler over all of it. Then he's the definer of all things. He's the

00:14:45.080 arbiter of truth, the determinant of morality. And he and he alone has the right and responsibility

00:14:51.180 to be the decider of all things, the definer of all things. He and he alone gets to say what's

00:14:56.980 right and what's wrong, what's true and what's false, what a woman is, what she's not, when life

00:15:01.820 begins, why it matters, to define the parameters of holy sexuality and to decide what marriage is.

00:15:09.120 But of course, he doesn't submit to God as the creator and the ruler of all things. He sees God

00:15:14.020 as a political pawn. Also, James Tallarico decided to turn a sermon at a local church,

00:15:20.460 St. Andrew's Presbyterian Church around Austin, around Round Rock, into some kind of political

00:15:29.240 stump speech about transgenderism and abortion, Sot2.

00:15:34.120 This summer, more than half our population became second-class citizens.

00:15:40.460 Every one of our neighbors with a uterus became the property of the state. 1.00

00:15:45.540 and nothing nothing is more unchristian than that i want to acknowledge that our trans community

00:15:54.420 needs abortion care too defending trans texas is something we have to do every day at the state 1.00

00:16:01.060 capitol and you better believe i'll be giving sermons on that too so when i use the word woman 1.00

00:16:06.800 it should not be understood as an exhaustive term but rather as a as a lens through which to

00:16:12.780 understand, examine, and interrogate patriarchy. So right there, he gives us three positions that

00:16:21.380 a Democrat of even 10 years ago would not have dared to represent publicly. One, that it's normal

00:16:27.900 and even moral to switch sexes, that it's possible to actually switch sexes, and that it is important

00:16:35.580 that people who do switch sexes, especially people who identify as so-called trans men, 0.95

00:16:41.240 are able to have a taxpayer-funded right to kill their baby inside the womb. And then the other 0.99

00:16:46.640 position, that this nexus is so important that it needs to be represented publicly at a church.

00:16:54.980 And also, this cumbersome language of people with uteruses really reduces what a woman is 1.00

00:17:02.260 into her just biological capacity, into her reproductive organs, which is the exact opposite 1.00

00:17:10.680 of what progressives say that they're doing. So who is James Tallarico? How did this person with

00:17:17.040 all of these kooky beliefs rise to such prominence? He was first elected as a Texas House representative

00:17:22.860 in 2018 after he defeated Republican Cynthia Flores. And he rose to prominence a couple of

00:17:30.100 years ago when he went viral for his videos of speeches on the Texas House floor opposing the

00:17:36.720 legislation to display the Ten Commandments in Texas classrooms. Stop four. Forcing our religion 0.55

00:17:42.880 onto Hindu, Buddhist, Sikh, and atheist students is not love.

00:17:50.700 Forcing teachers to put up a poster in their classrooms against their wills is not love.

00:17:57.500 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Okay, I bet he would argue, though, that Christian teachers 0.99

00:18:04.520 could be forced to call a child by the wrong preferred pronouns or could be forced to teach

00:18:10.700 things about the acceptance of LGBTQ ideology, even though it opposes their worldview. And he

00:18:17.600 says this is forcing religion upon people who don't believe in Christianity. But of course,

00:18:22.080 that's not true. Displaying the Ten Commandments is about American history. You actually cannot

00:18:27.380 understand Western civilization. You can't understand America without understanding

00:18:32.100 Christianity without knowing the Bible, without understanding the Ten Commandments. So even just 0.99

00:18:37.160 from a literary or historical educational perspective, displaying the Ten Commandments

00:18:42.060 I think is really foundational in understanding the country that we live in, but also they're

00:18:48.160 just good rules for life. And it's really hard, I think, from a moral perspective to argue against

00:18:53.700 them. Tallarico is a lifelong professing Christian, and he often cites his grandfather as a major

00:19:00.080 influence. His grandfather was a Baptist preacher who taught him Jesus's greatest command, he says,

00:19:05.460 is to love God and love your neighbor. Stop five. My granddad was a Baptist preacher in South Texas.

00:19:11.640 And when I was little, he told me that Christianity is a simple religion, not an easy religion,

00:19:17.620 he would always clarify, but a simple religion because Jesus gave us two commandments,

00:19:22.680 love God and love neighbor. And there was no exception to that second commandment.

00:19:27.560 love thy neighbor regardless of race or gender or sexual orientation or immigration status or

00:19:34.380 religious affiliation and it's why i have fought so hard for the separation of church and state

00:19:40.060 in the state capitol in texas obviously it is true that the greatest commandments are to love

00:19:46.220 god and love your neighbor how do we obey god we obey god by keeping his commandments and we love

00:19:51.660 others by defining love how god defines love first john 4 8 god is love so love isn't affirming

00:19:57.120 sin. Love isn't telling someone they could be born in the wrong body. Love isn't refusing to

00:20:02.260 show people the truth and the Ten Commandments or refusing to preach the gospel to people.

00:20:07.040 Love is walking and speaking in agreement with God because we can't out-love God. We can't

00:20:12.960 out-compassion Him. So the most loving thing we can do with our lives, with our words,

00:20:16.760 is agree with God. Now, Tallarico is still a member of his childhood congregation.

00:20:21.600 It's a very progressive church in Austin, St. Andrew Presbyterian Church.

00:20:26.620 And it shouldn't be surprising at all that in the About Us page of this church, it says

00:20:31.540 we are Christ-centered, yet it's never good when you see a church saying we are Christ-centered,

00:20:37.320 but we respect and learn from all religions of love.

00:20:41.500 Well, again, that's just not a Christian position.

00:20:43.880 If God is love and we believe in the triune God, Father, Son, Holy Spirit, that no other

00:20:49.360 religion believes in, then he is actually the only source of love. There aren't other religions 0.97

00:20:54.740 of love in addition to Christianity. So it doesn't come as a surprise that he is essentially,

00:21:01.380 Tallarico is essentially a universalist who claims to be a Christian and uses some Christian

00:21:06.380 tenets, but actually doesn't believe in the exclusivity of Christ. We'll get into that in

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00:22:33.640 he also did an interview with ezra klein of the new york times where he essentially says

00:22:43.300 all religions are true sat six i believe christianity points to the truth i also think

00:22:49.060 other religions of love point to the same truth i think of different religious traditions as

00:22:53.320 different languages so you and i could sit here and debate what to call this cup and you could

00:22:58.280 call it a cup in english you'd call it something else in spanish and french but we are all talking

00:23:03.120 about the same reality. I believe Jesus Christ reveals that reality to us. But I also think that

00:23:08.220 other traditions reveal that reality in their own ways, with their own symbol structures. And I've

00:23:13.220 learned more about my tradition by learning more about Buddhism and Hinduism and Islam and Judaism.

00:23:19.500 And so I see these beautiful faith traditions as circling the same truth about the universe,

00:23:24.540 about the cosmos. Well, there's certainly nothing beautiful about Islam, that is for sure. We can 1.00

00:23:29.700 the fruit of Islam throughout the world, which stands for everything that Tallarico claims to

00:23:34.980 stand against, the oppression of women and children, violence. Certainly there is gross 0.93

00:23:41.340 wealth disparities that are actually pushed forward by tyrannical policy in places where

00:23:48.920 Islamic regimes are in charge. And then, I mean, the obvious truth is that you can be someone who 1.00

00:23:55.620 believes those things, but you can't be a Christian and believe that all religions kind of point to 0.94

00:24:01.380 the same truth. Because in John 14, 6, the Jesus that James Tallarico claims to follow says,

00:24:07.600 I am the way, the truth, the life. No one comes to the Father except through me, except through

00:24:15.860 me. He is affiliated with the fully affirming Presbyterian Church of the United States of

00:24:22.520 America. So this is PCUSA. There's PCUSA, which is liberal, and we'll get into that in a second.

00:24:28.200 And then there's PCA, that is a collection of churches within Presbyterianism that are more

00:24:34.880 theologically conservative or theologically faithful. His church is also part of what's

00:24:40.940 called the Reproductive Freedom Congregations. This is a Texas movement to remove abortion's 0.52

00:24:48.200 stigma. The church also celebrates transgenderism. We played you that clip earlier where he's at his 1.00

00:24:54.120 church saying trans communities need abortion care, neighbors with uteruses. Tallarico has a

00:25:00.720 year of classwork left before he receives his MDiv from Austin Presbyterian Theological Seminary,

00:25:06.560 obviously a very progressive institution. He's studying to be a pastor, but he says, of course,

00:25:10.700 his studies are on hold because he believes that this is where God has called him right now. He

00:25:15.200 said this in a New Yorker article from February. We'll get more into the history of Presbyterianism

00:25:21.840 in a second and how this kind of shaped his ascendance and shaped his theology. First,

00:25:26.960 I want to dive in a little bit to that New Yorker article. So the New Yorker published a profile of

00:25:32.820 Tallarico on February 23rd titled James Tallarico Puts His Faith in Texas Voters. This is an excerpt

00:25:41.160 where Tallarico was in a room with former Dallas mayor Mike Rawlings and First Presbyterian Church

00:25:46.540 of Dallas senior pastor Amos de Salsa. De Salsa asked Tallarico, what kind of welcome are you

00:25:55.060 getting from evangelicals? The reason he's asking this is because 90% of white evangelicals voted

00:26:02.360 for President Trump in 2024. And Tallarico said, you know, we think that we can make headway with

00:26:09.480 Christians. Evangelicals. And he shrugged. He's distinguishing here between Christians who he

00:26:17.040 believes are Christians and evangelicals. What he's doing is insinuating that evangelicals

00:26:21.920 are a lost cause because evangelicals won't vote for him. Tallarico said in an interview last year,

00:26:30.840 there are a lot of people who feel that the Democratic Party in recent years has been

00:26:34.900 hostile to people of faith. Talking about faith, he added, this creates an opportunity for a 1.00

00:26:40.340 connection. I don't think it automatically wins you over, but it starts a conversation. So we can

00:26:45.420 see here what his goals are. His goals are to appeal to Christians. Most Christians, no matter 1.00

00:26:51.440 your denomination, do vote Republican. Now, it gets more and more Republican the deeper you get

00:26:58.260 into Christianity with white evangelicals being the stronghold for conservatism. They also lead

00:27:05.500 the way in church attendance, lead the way and reading their Bible every day, lead the way and

00:27:12.300 making donations. And it really does, as a white evangelical, the reason for this, the reason that

00:27:17.760 we have the most conservative, I would say, biblical position on issues like marriage, sex,

00:27:23.060 sexuality, even things like immigration, it really does go back to our love for the Bible

00:27:29.440 and our belief in the importance of solid theology. The further you get away from that,

00:27:36.580 the more liberal you're going to become. So if we look at Pew Research, for example,

00:27:41.800 evangelical Christians have higher church attendance rates, around 60% than other

00:27:46.780 Christian groups, with the exception of Mormons. Mormons, 76%. But the reason we don't include

00:27:54.560 Mormons when we're talking about denominations of Christianity is because it's not a denomination 0.70

00:27:58.860 of Christianity, it's something else. 63% of evangelicals read the Bible outside of religious

00:28:04.780 services, at least weekly, while 30% of Protestants, so those are mainline Protestants,

00:28:10.100 29% of Orthodox Christians, and 25% of Catholics do. And then you look at the fruit of that.

00:28:18.360 Evangelicals, white evangelicals, are far more likely than any other Christian group to believe

00:28:24.240 that abortion should be illegal. So for example, 73% of white evangelicals believe that abortion

00:28:31.560 should be illegal in all or most cases. Versus white non-evangelical Protestants, so the James 1.00

00:28:38.180 Tallarico, 33% believe that. Black Protestant, 26%. Catholic, only 40%. And then the religiously 0.84

00:28:46.680 unaffiliated, the people who love James Tallarico most, only 13% of them believe that abortion

00:28:54.000 should be illegal in all or most cases. So these are the people that aren't going to get on board

00:29:00.060 with Tallarico that he basically is saying is a lost cause. We evangelicals, because we are so

00:29:06.100 staunch in our biblical beliefs and we are so staunch in our views on abortion and gender and

00:29:11.160 immigration and things like that. So I'm not really worried about our crowd. I am worried

00:29:16.480 about those in the white, non-evangelical, Protestant world who might be conservative

00:29:23.620 if it weren't for this deadly dose of toxic empathy that they are imbibing every day,

00:29:30.200 this propaganda that makes them think that loving your neighbor means opening the border or loving

00:29:35.840 your neighbor means affirming someone's so-called gender identity, or that it's loving to women

00:29:41.060 to legalize aborting their children because they might have a hard life otherwise. Those are the

00:29:48.220 people for you and for me that we have to work really hard at channeling their compassion in

00:29:53.960 the right direction. And most importantly, helping them see factual truth, political truth,

00:29:59.520 and biblical truth. Those are the people that we're really going to be fighting over when it

00:30:05.840 comes to James Tallarico. That will be true in the next presidential election, too. They believe

00:30:11.120 that there is a portion of evangelicals, a portion of Protestants, a portion of Catholics

00:30:16.000 that are up for grabs. They know a portion of Catholics are up for grabs because it's about 0.97

00:30:20.920 60-40, 60% of Catholics tend to vote Democrat. But this evangelical stronghold, they are going 0.70

00:30:26.860 to do everything they can to break down using religious-sounding language to make it seem

00:30:33.700 like the only Christian perspective is the progressive one.

00:30:37.580 He had a lot to say about his beliefs about abortion and things like that on Joe Rogan's

00:30:42.100 podcast.

00:30:42.620 We'll play some of that in a second.

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00:31:51.500 here talarico is on joe rogan saying that he supports abortion because the story of jesus

00:32:00.200 being conceived and mary and mary becoming pregnant with jesus somehow supports the

00:32:07.600 pro-choice position i say all this in terms of in context of abortion because before god

00:32:13.860 comes over Mary and we have the incarnation, God asks for Mary's consent, which is remarkable.

00:32:24.980 I mean, go back and read this in Luke. I mean, the angel comes down and asks Mary

00:32:32.240 if this is something she wants to do. And she says, if it is God's will, let it be done,

00:32:37.180 let it be, let it happen. So to me, that is an affirmation in one of our most central stories

00:32:42.960 that creation has to be done with consent?

00:32:46.800 First of all, his rendering of that story is completely untrue.

00:32:51.080 Gabriel doesn't actually ask for Mary's permission there.

00:32:55.780 Yes, she accepts God's will, and she should be honored for that.

00:33:00.240 What an incredible blessing to be chosen as Jesus's earthly mother

00:33:05.140 and to have your womb grow the Christ child.

00:33:08.860 That is amazing.

00:33:10.040 but she's simply a sense to what God has already decided and already chosen. She's not actually

00:33:18.180 consenting to that. It's not like a choice that she is making here. She simply is accepting the

00:33:26.900 present reality, what God commands in that moment. And even if it were true that this went the way

00:33:33.420 James Tallarico said that it did, that Mary said, yeah, sure, you can do that. Go ahead and conceive 0.65

00:33:39.220 Jesus, that isn't a justification for killing a baby after he or she has been conceived. To say

00:33:46.160 that this passage about Jesus becoming flesh, becoming man, is a justification for poisoning

00:33:53.860 or dismembering babies inside the womb is so absurdly evil. I would love to debate James

00:34:01.780 Tallarico on that passage and on his excuse or justification for abortion. He also makes this

00:34:07.920 very troubling comment about Jesus's crucifixion. He said Jesus was crucified for, quote,

00:34:13.740 confronting the powerful. Here he is. The second is crucifixion, right? That's Good Friday,

00:34:19.460 where Jesus, because he confronts the powerful, is executed on a cross, a humiliating death,

00:34:27.220 along with other criminals. So this is a very common refrain that you see from a lot of these

00:34:34.060 so-called progressive Christians, that Jesus died because he was a revolutionary, because he fought

00:34:40.220 against Roman power, and he fought against empire because he was progressive, and he fought for

00:34:47.440 women, and all of these things. Of course, that's not true. We actually did an episode about

00:34:51.960 specifically who killed Jesus, who was responsible for that, why did that happen just a couple

00:34:57.480 weeks ago, and we will link that. But here ultimately is the answer, which is so different

00:35:04.280 than what James Hallerico said. So why Christ actually died? Number one, God willed it. Acts

00:35:09.420 2.23, this Jesus delivered up according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God. Definite

00:35:15.540 plan and foreknowledge of God. Also, number two, he died because of the fulfillment of prophecy.

00:35:20.300 First Corinthians 15.3-4, for I delivered to you as a first importance what I also received,

00:35:25.480 that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the scriptures, that he was buried, that he was

00:35:29.660 raised on the third day in accordance with the scriptures. So in accordance with the scriptures,

00:35:34.280 this is something that was foreordained. Number three, to save sinners and reconcile us to God,

00:35:41.100 Romans 5, 8 through 10. But God shows his love for us and that while we were still sinners,

00:35:46.680 Christ died for us. Since therefore we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we

00:35:52.180 be saved by him from the wrath of God. For if while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God

00:35:57.160 by the death of his son, much more. Now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life?

00:36:04.600 So amazing. Also, Tallarico's description of the resurrection in this interview as, quote,

00:36:10.420 something where something beautiful and new rises from the ashes, it downplays the physical reality

00:36:18.140 of Jesus rising from the dead. He uses the resurrection as an allegory, and this is really

00:36:24.720 the prevailing view of people who call themselves progressive Christians. They tend to reject the

00:36:29.780 historicity of the miracles of Jesus, including him defeating death days after he was crucified.

00:36:36.580 Like everything else about Jesus, Tallarico and others like him see Jesus as a moral example.

00:36:42.280 They see him as an activist. They see him as a revolutionary for progressive causes,

00:36:47.180 like a cheerleader on the sidelines of their political fight. They see him as a mascot.

00:36:52.900 There was a man by James Cone, and if you've been listening to Relatable since 2018, you know who

00:36:57.980 James Cone is. We talked a lot about him from 2018 to 2020. He was a 20th century theologian,

00:37:05.260 and he popularized something called liberation theology, and specifically for him,

00:37:09.540 Black liberation theology. But liberation theology is a school of theological thought

00:37:14.340 to which Tallarico asserts that the Bible, the gospel, the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus,

00:37:20.740 the advancement of God's kingdom, the future hope that we have of a new earth and a new heaven is

00:37:26.120 all actually about liberating the so-called oppressed. So fighting white supremacy on

00:37:33.140 behalf of Black people, fighting immigration enforcement on behalf of immigrants, fighting

00:37:37.180 capitalism on behalf of the poor, etc. Cohn wrote this, quote, this is what Christ's resurrection

00:37:42.360 means the oppressed are freed for struggle, for battle in the pursuit of humanity. So like James

00:37:49.260 Talarico, James Cone believed that every religion that speaks to the same truth, the truth of

00:37:55.000 liberation, was a legitimate religion. So for him, the exclusivity of Christ and spiritual salvation

00:38:02.260 from sin was really unimportant. And by the way, I just want to say that Martin Luther King shared

00:38:08.620 these same beliefs about the gospel, about Jesus. He denied the resurrection. And this all reminds

00:38:14.720 me actually of a quote that just came to mind from C.S. Lewis in the Screwtape Letters.

00:38:21.000 Something that he writes in the voice of Screwtape, which is a demon trying to advise his

00:38:28.420 nephew on how to pull his patient, a human being, away from heaven, is that we want to, demons want

00:38:36.820 to tempt us to use Christianity as a means to our political ends. And so here's a quote from 0.56

00:38:44.040 the Screwtape Letters. We do want and want very much to make men treat Christianity as a means,

00:38:50.260 preferably, of course, as a means to their own advancement, but failing that as a means to

00:38:55.260 anything, even to social justice, for the enemy, who is God, will not be used as a convenience.

00:39:01.620 Of course, that's what Tallarico does. That's what James Cone did. Really just seeing God,

00:39:08.320 seeing Jesus as a means to an end, a mascot in their version of politics and Christianity,

00:39:17.160 and really the mascot of their form of Christian nationalism, because that's what Tallarico

00:39:23.340 represents, is a form of progressive Christian nationalism. He believes that his interpretation

00:39:30.300 of the Bible should inform the law of the land. But if I were to say, well, Psalm 16 tells me

00:39:36.260 very clearly that God knitted together all people in their mother's womb, that tells me a lot about

00:39:41.260 the dignity and the sanctity of unborn life. I don't think that it would be good to legalize

00:39:46.620 killing those babies inside the womb just because we can't see or hear them or just because they're 0.94

00:39:51.260 young or dependent. He would say that's fascism. That's Christian nationalism. Remember, it is 0.99

00:39:56.840 only the conservative Christian that is told that we can't bring the fullness of our worldview

00:40:01.400 into the public sphere and into the voting booth. Tallarico, of course, believes that that's

00:40:07.260 perfectly fine, believes that that is how we actually should inform our policy. Tallarico

00:40:16.180 butchers the gospel. 1 Corinthians 1.18 says, for the word of the cross is folly to those who

00:40:23.440 are perishing, but to us who are being saved, it is the power of God. This is why I say that

00:40:29.100 Tallarico is a left-wing atheist version of a good Christian, because the things that he says

00:40:35.780 totally make sense to the world. It's not foolishness to the atheist. Everything that

00:40:41.120 Tallarico says sounds really good to the person who rejects God. If everything we are saying as

00:40:47.180 Christians makes sense to the non-believer, sounds good and persuasive at all times to the

00:40:52.760 non-believer, that's not an indication that we're doing things well. That's an indication that we're

00:40:57.700 going the wrong direction. If you read 1 Corinthians 1, we see that God flips everything on its head,

00:41:04.000 that he chooses what is foolish in the world to shame the wise, what is weak according to worldly

00:41:08.700 standards to shame the strong. This is a stumbling block to the Jews we read. It is folly to the 0.88

00:41:15.540 Greeks we read in 1 Corinthians 1. But it is the power of Christ to those who believe. It is wisdom

00:41:22.560 to those who believe.

00:41:24.280 We sound like a stench of death

00:41:25.800 to those who are not believing,

00:41:27.360 but the fragrance of God

00:41:28.540 to those who are.

00:41:30.600 But Tallarico truly believes

00:41:32.160 that his form of Christianity

00:41:34.180 needs to be enforced

00:41:36.100 through the law.

00:41:37.660 And he basically tells Ezra Klein

00:41:39.400 this in his New York Times interview

00:41:41.800 here in Saad-8.

00:41:43.160 These politicians want a Christian nation

00:41:45.380 unless it means providing

00:41:47.200 health care to the sick

00:41:48.060 or funding food assistance

00:41:50.200 for the hungry

00:41:51.040 or raising the minimum wage

00:41:52.540 for the poor. And so it seems like they want to base our laws on the Bible until they read the

00:42:00.000 words of Jesus. Welcome the stranger, liberate the oppressed, put away your sword, sell all

00:42:06.260 your possessions and give the money to the poor. I mean, I'm not exactly sure a Christian nation 0.95

00:42:11.660 is really what these people want. Okay. So again, the hypocrisy there is just so obvious.

00:42:17.860 He wants a Christian nation, apparently, and he believes that all of those things in the Bible should dictate our laws.

00:42:24.700 But if I have a different interpretation of the Bible, I cannot use that interpretation to inform my belief about public policy, because if I do, it's fascism or Christian nationalism or theocracy. 0.70

00:42:35.440 He just wants his version of theocracy.

00:42:37.120 By the way, Jesus did not say, welcome the foreigner and liberate the oppressed.

00:42:41.760 Those are not things that Jesus said.

00:42:43.240 If you're referring to the passage in Exodus that says you should welcome the sojourner,

00:42:47.880 we have to read that in context where we also read that there is one law for the foreigner

00:42:52.420 and for the Israelite.

00:42:54.920 There weren't these loopholes in which migrants could take part in all of the privileges and 0.98

00:43:01.840 the rights and the protection of Israel without obeying the law. 0.62

00:43:04.920 They had to be circumcised.

00:43:06.620 They had to follow all laws regarding sexuality and marriage and cleansing and ceremonies 0.66

00:43:11.460 and all of that.

00:43:12.360 And so I just think that if we are going to look at the Old or the New Testament to inform

00:43:17.680 what we believe about policy, which I do think that we should when we are exegeting and interpreting

00:43:23.600 Scripture within context and accurately in light of the rest of Scripture, in light of

00:43:28.760 history, and in light, most importantly, of the gospel, which is not something that he

00:43:32.620 does.

00:43:33.320 And he's actually making the case here that commands for generosity for the Christian

00:43:38.100 in Scripture should mean that we support forced wealth redistribution, that we should support

00:43:45.240 the government forcing money out of the hands of some people and giving to others. But that's not

00:43:52.040 what the Bible is talking about when it commands us to care for the poor. We are to be generous

00:43:56.920 and charitable. That means not under compulsion, but in accordance to our free will. 2 Corinthians

00:44:04.120 9.7 tells us this, each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under

00:44:10.300 compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. We know that taxes are compulsory. Taxes are something

00:44:18.980 that you have to give or else you will go to jail. So taxes don't count as following Christ's

00:44:24.360 command to be generous and kind to others. Yet Tallarico says that it's actually the right that

00:44:30.100 is co-opted Christianity, Sat 9. They convinced a lot of our fellow Christians that the most

00:44:37.200 important issues were abortion and gay marriage. Two issues that aren't mentioned in the Bible,

00:44:44.360 two issues that Jesus never talked about. Jesus in Matthew 25 tells us exactly how you and I

00:44:50.840 and every one of our fellow believers, how we're going to be judged and how we're going to be

00:44:54.840 saved by feeding the hungry, by healing the sick, by welcoming the stranger. Nothing about going to

00:45:02.940 church, nothing about voting Republican. It was all about how you treat other people.

00:45:09.080 Okay. Jesus does talk about marriage and sexuality. Matthew 19, 4 through 5, he makes it 1.00

00:45:14.340 very obvious what the definition of marriage is. He goes all the way back to creation. Also,

00:45:19.860 of course, abortion is talked about. It's actually included in the Big Ten Commandments,

00:45:23.240 Thou shall not murder. Thou shall not murder. And of course, we know that Christ doubles down

00:45:29.640 on all of the Ten Commandments by saying it's not just about what you do. It's not just about

00:45:33.580 following the letter of the law. It's about following the spirit of the law down to the

00:45:37.800 heart, which, by the way, you can't ever do perfectly. And that is why Christ came to pay

00:45:42.740 for your debt and to pay for your sin on the cross and to defeat death three days later.

00:45:47.740 But yes, of course, the Bible speaks very clearly about condemning murder and condemning

00:45:53.060 any sexuality outside of one man and one woman in the context of marriage. And so he's just

00:45:58.020 lying to you there. So Tallarico is attempting to get the mushy middle. He knows he's got all

00:46:05.820 of the Democrats, but he is also attempting to get your friends. He's attempting to get those

00:46:11.920 in your mom group who don't really pay attention to politics until it starts going viral on her

00:46:17.740 Instagram feed. He is appealing to the women that believe in every form of left-wing propaganda who

00:46:25.480 might be instinctively or because of their husbands or because of their parents conservative,

00:46:31.040 but they believe the stories that are presented to them by the New York Times, by the influencers or

00:46:36.540 the celebrities they follow. They're going to like his disposition. They're going to like how

00:46:41.500 gently he speaks. He is going to say things that sound familiar to them. And because they sound

00:46:47.320 familiar and sound christian they're going to be compelling they're going to be persuasive

00:46:52.300 our responsibility is to continue to push back in truth and gentleness and persuasiveness

00:46:58.080 using the word of god so when you see your friend sharing a james tallarico post when you

00:47:05.720 see them misusing scripture to justify the support of abortion i want you to be fully equipped to be

00:47:12.980 able to push back against them. Nicely, kindly, of course, with respect, but completely

00:47:19.000 unapologetically. And if you don't know what to say, just ask a question, give a counter verse,

00:47:24.200 give a counterpoint, send this podcast and say, well, will you listen to this and tell me what

00:47:29.020 you think about it? And then we can discuss it later, especially if you have that kind of

00:47:32.820 friendship with them. I really encourage you, like, especially if you're in the state of Texas,

00:47:37.900 I really encourage you to read Toxic Empathy, and you can get it from your library.

00:47:42.800 I don't care if you buy it.

00:47:43.680 You can borrow it from a friend, but I just really want you to be equipped with the facts,

00:47:48.140 with the biblical truth, to be able to push back against that.

00:47:50.900 I didn't know who James Tallarico was when I first started writing Toxic Empathy, but

00:47:55.220 really my entire book is a response to that kind of completely erroneous form of Christianity,

00:48:00.780 which pushes bad and destructive and deadly policies, but also is a kind of theology

00:48:07.740 that truly damns the soul. It damns the soul because it doesn't present to you a true gospel,

00:48:12.660 but a false one. So you shouldn't vote for him, but certainly you shouldn't follow his teaching

00:48:17.580 either. All right. A little bit of a history lesson, which I think gives us context in just

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00:49:19.760 Okay, so the liberation theology and the liberal theology that he espouses, it comes from a lot of places,

00:49:26.860 but we can actually look to the history of the Presbyterian church to see where all of this

00:49:32.940 comes from. So Tallarico is actually the fruit of a century-long downgrade in mainline

00:49:38.980 Presbyterianism. Presbyterianism is a denomination that traces its roots to the Protestant

00:49:45.380 Reformation. And so you can look to incredible Scottish reformers like John Knox. You can even

00:49:50.920 look to the reformer john calvin but around the turn of the century so we're talking the 20th

00:49:57.400 century and the presbyterian church in the united states of america so that was the denomination

00:50:02.520 some began to push for doctrinal updates to match modern science and culture so for example in 1923

00:50:10.800 the new york presbytery ordained two union seminary grads who denied christ virgin birth

00:50:16.940 sparking outrage from other presbyteries, liberals responded with something called the Auburn

00:50:21.860 Affirmation, which claimed to protect PCUSA unity and liberty and labeling doctrines like virgin

00:50:29.460 birth, atonement, resurrection as non-binding theories, so like secondary or tertiary issues

00:50:36.480 that didn't infringe upon the faithfulness of the gospel. Over 1,200 ministers signed that by 1924,

00:50:43.620 And so this liberalism that we're seeing from people like James Tallarico is not new.

00:50:49.360 In the 1970s, debates in the Presbyterian Church in the United States, so that's PCUS,

00:50:54.840 increased about biblical authority, the ordination of women, the church's relationship to modern

00:51:00.940 culture, and the conservatives opposed ordination of women.

00:51:06.780 They believed in biblical inerrancy.

00:51:08.380 And then in 1973, conservatives left the Presbyterian Church of the United States, which would later merge with PCUSA, that other liberal denomination that is the denomination of Tallarico.

00:51:22.000 And then the PCUSA has become more and more progressive over time, highlighted in the views that you've seen from Tallarico.

00:51:30.540 They affirm the full inclusion of LGBTQ plus people they have since the 2010s.

00:51:37.520 Also emphasizes advocacy for the quote unquote marginalized groups, so-called racial justice, immigration reform, opposition to war, economic equity.

00:51:47.460 These are all euphemisms for communism.

00:51:49.860 Basically, the PCUSA is now the largest Presbyterian denomination in the U.S., so it's much bigger than the PCA, which includes churches that are faithful to scripture.

00:52:00.540 But it's in decline. The denomination had about 2.7 million members in 1994, but only about 1 million in 2024. So that's a huge decline. And in contrast, the PCA, which is the second largest U.S. Presbyterian denomination, has seen robust growth, outpacing population increases, up 1.84% in 2024.

00:52:22.220 And so what's really interesting is that if you look at all of the mainline Protestant denominations that espouse the kind of progressive beliefs that James Tallarico has, they are all in decline.

00:52:35.100 People are realizing that if you're just going to hear from church all of the same things that you're hearing from social media and your favorite liberal activist, there is no real reason to go to church.

00:52:44.900 You can get community from your friends.

00:52:47.300 You can go to brunch instead of taking communion.

00:52:51.000 You can basically just scroll through TikTok and you can hear what's equivalent to a liberal

00:52:57.060 sermon every day without ever having to leave your house.

00:53:00.580 And so if you're not getting the truth of the gospel, if you're not getting a faithful

00:53:05.020 exegesis of God's word, if you're not getting true accountability and confession of sin

00:53:10.660 that is supposed to occur in the body of Christ, and there's no point in going to church.

00:53:15.400 That's why these mainline denominations are declining. What's interesting is that the

00:53:20.520 popularity and culture of so-called liberal Christianity is increasing, and that is because,

00:53:26.620 again, James Tallarico's form of Christianity is the atheist's favorite form of Christianity. 0.60

00:53:32.080 It is Satan's favorite form of Christianity. Remember, Ephesians 2 tells us that Satan is 1.00

00:53:37.780 the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience

00:53:42.720 among whom we all once walked in the passions of our flesh. And so that is what is going on.

00:53:49.220 Of course, the culture, the sons of disobedience, the prince of the power of the air want the 1.00

00:53:54.440 popularization of this kind of Christianity because it's not Christianity, because it's

00:54:00.280 not a belief in Christ. It's not a belief in the gospel, and it's sending people to hell.

00:54:04.380 And so again, we as Christians, we've got the responsibility to push back against this with

00:54:08.940 everything we can, both because the policies end in destruction for people's bodies. It ends in

00:54:14.800 economic destruction. It ends in unrest. It ends in chaos. It ends in borderlessness, which is a

00:54:20.300 form of chaos. It is anti-Christ, anti-Bible, anti-order, anti-loving our neighbor in every 1.00

00:54:27.320 single way. It just sounds palatable and that's not enough. It just feels good and that's not

00:54:32.480 enough. But again, also because it is a false gospel that if people believe it will lead them

00:54:37.520 to hell. And we have to love our neighbor more than allowing them to believe James Tallarico.

00:54:42.860 Okay. So this is a spiritual battle that we're in far more than it is a political battle. The

00:54:48.980 political battle is up here. What we see, the spiritual battle is what we don't see. But we

00:54:53.300 as Christians who have been given this insight and this vision by the Holy Spirit to see the

00:54:58.460 spiritual battle that's waging, as Ephesians 6 tells us, we have a responsibility to speak up

00:55:03.420 against this, even if that means you lose friends, even if that means people unfollow you, even if

00:55:08.380 that makes you unpopular, even if you get pushed back, even if that divides. Truth divides. Truth

00:55:13.720 divides. And this is not just about politics. This is about what is true, what is eternally true,

00:55:19.880 not just politically true. All right. We're going to shift gears just a little bit. We've got a new

00:55:26.160 segment for you. And I know that we're going to still try to finish under an hour, maybe right

00:55:31.500 over an hour. But the reason that we're going to shift gears into this lighthearted segment for

00:55:37.360 today is because we have an incredible short little video for you. So I had a vision a couple

00:55:45.020 weeks ago after Hillary Clinton wrote the hit piece on Yours Truly in the Atlantic. And she

00:55:51.800 said that some of my work has to do with politics and theology, I guess, but she said the rest of

00:55:58.500 it is just lifestyle pitter-patter. I still to this day have no idea what she's talking about

00:56:04.300 because if you follow me, you know that I don't really talk about any of that. I mean, I talk

00:56:09.160 about motherhood. Sometimes we do talk about bread and food and things like that. I guess that's what

00:56:14.300 lifestyle pitter-patter is. And I said, I want to see Hillary Clinton and me cooking and baking 0.95

00:56:21.080 together for a lifestyle pitter-patter segment. So that's what we're about to do. But before we

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00:57:35.020 Welcome to our new branded segment, Lifestyle Pitter Pattern. Maybe one day I can actually

00:57:40.740 have Hillary Clinton on, the Secretary of State, to, I don't know, do a cooking segment or something 1.00

00:57:46.900 like that. I feel like we would have a lot to talk about. But today, unfortunately, she's not

00:57:51.720 here. And so we're going to talk about another form of lifestyle pitter-patter, and that is

00:57:55.900 dating. I'm very concerned about not only Gen Z, but also millennial Christian women and men who

00:58:03.840 seem to be unable to find their match. Part of that is because of a mismatch in values between

00:58:11.780 Gen Z men and women on dating and kids. The interesting thing, this is according to Vox,

00:58:17.240 is that Gen Z men want kids and Gen Z women have some questions. Vox journalist Anna North found

00:58:24.820 that young men across the political spectrum really want to be dads more than you'd expect.

00:58:31.220 A 2023 Pew poll showed that 57% of men aged 18 to 34 said they want children someday compared to

00:58:38.380 only 45% of women, which is a pretty big gap that surprised researchers. This journalist noted that

00:58:44.380 male Trump voters actually rated having children as number one among life priorities, while none

00:58:50.000 of the women, no matter how they voted, ranked it that high. Women, what is going on? Gen Z men 0.92

00:58:55.920 often see fatherhood as a capstone or just a really important part of a full life. This article

00:59:01.200 says, on the other hand, many young women express hesitancy because it's never been more costly

00:59:06.280 for women to have a child. I just don't think that's true. Never been more costly? Not even 1.00

00:59:12.580 in the Great Depression? It wasn't more costly then? Of course. I think it's just because women 1.00

00:59:19.240 have more career opportunities than they have before. And so if you're calculating it that way,

00:59:24.560 that you're missing out on an amount of income because of a marketing career that you could

00:59:30.200 have, then you could say, okay, well, I'm losing out on a million dollars or something.

00:59:33.840 And that was more than someone was losing out in the Great Depression.

00:59:36.580 But it certainly doesn't cost more to have a child if you are just having a child and

00:59:41.560 focusing on having a child than it used to.

00:59:44.280 And it certainly doesn't cost more for our bodies or for our health.

00:59:46.900 So women worry that their partners are not going to pull their weight since even with 1.00

00:59:51.500 progress childcare is not 50-50. The truth is, is that childcare women is not going to be 50-50

00:59:58.640 because you are the mother and your child wants you. Your child needs you more, especially in

01:00:05.820 those early years than the dad is needed. Now, I think a lot of us millennials have been extremely

01:00:11.200 blessed with present dads and involved dads. Certainly that is different than generations

01:00:15.780 past when there were like baby boomer men who had never changed a diaper, who had never woken 0.83

01:00:20.720 up in the middle of the night. And that dynamic, I think for most millennial women has shifted.

01:00:25.500 And so you certainly want to find a man, women who want to step up, who want to step in, 1.00

01:00:32.540 who want to be involved, who honor you and want you to rest and want to pitch in as much as they

01:00:38.560 can, who want to use their strength to protect you and to provide for you and to be there with

01:00:42.960 your child, who loves being a father, who you know will be compassionate when you're going

01:00:47.500 through birth and postpartum and all of those things for sure. But don't go into marriage

01:00:51.720 thinking it's going to be this exact 50-50 thing because there are going to be periods of time in

01:00:57.100 your marriage where it's 100% you and your husband, for whatever reason, he's studying for the LSAT or

01:01:02.180 he's going through a really hard time at work. He's not going to be as involved as you want him

01:01:05.480 to be. There are going to be times because you're postpartum, you're going through something that

01:01:09.140 your husband is basically doing 100% of everything and you're not able to do other things. So don't

01:01:14.480 look for someone who's going to do 50-50. Look for someone who's willing to do 100-0 or 0-100

01:01:20.900 in either direction and who loves you and cherishes you and wants to lead you and to

01:01:26.440 protect you in that way. And no one is perfect and no marriage is perfect. And you learn so many

01:01:31.640 things along the way. But this idea that marriage is some kind of contract where you agree to a

01:01:36.600 perfect 50-50%, that's just not life. And if you see marriage not as something just like a goal

01:01:43.660 to attain, but something that God has called us to as Christians, something that yes, requires

01:01:48.300 sacrifice, but because of that sanctifies us and makes us better. It also is a lot of fun and also

01:01:54.380 provides you with a lot of love and camaraderie. Then that's better than seeing it as what it

01:01:59.080 seems like a lot of Gen Z women see it as is some kind of transaction. And also just seeing kids in 1.00

01:02:06.220 the same way is like something that exists to fulfill you rather than just people made in the

01:02:11.180 image of God that, yes, will make you better, but are also just people that you can channel your love

01:02:16.860 into. It's really hard to explain if you don't have kids just how much joy and love your children

01:02:22.320 bring you. And they just make you a better person. Not that people without kids aren't good people,

01:02:27.280 but it just does. It just makes you more responsible. It makes you wiser. It makes

01:02:30.840 you smarter. It makes you a better manager. It makes you more compassionate. It makes you more

01:02:36.400 self-controlled. It makes you more patient because you realize that so much of parenting actually

01:02:41.660 requires self-discipline on your part. Now, here's just like one thing that I would say. I know that

01:02:47.360 we've got disparate values when it comes to men and women, and men can get lots of advice, but not

01:02:53.780 from me, and that's why I target a lot of my advice towards women. But for the Christian women out 1.00

01:02:59.440 there especially who are like, I can't find a man and I can't find a guy that I want to marry, this

01:03:04.840 is what I ask all of my single friends. Where are you working out? Where are you going on the

01:03:09.740 weekends? Where are you going on the evenings? What church are you going to? How involved are

01:03:14.560 you in your church? And yes, God can do anything through anyone and any place, but you're probably

01:03:20.360 not going to find your husband at Pure Bar. He's probably not at Pilates. He might not be at hot

01:03:26.600 yoga. You might just need to go where the Christian men are. You might need to change 1.00

01:03:33.560 churches. If you're not attracted to a guy in skinny jeans and you're going to a church where

01:03:40.260 there's only hipsters, unless it is the only solid church in the area, because that's most 1.00

01:03:46.020 important, you might want to consider changing churches. Not to say there's anything inherently

01:03:52.020 wrong with skinny jeans objectively necessarily. I'm just saying, put yourself in a position where

01:03:58.440 you are around Christian men that you find attractive. And I've encouraged a lot of women

01:04:04.960 to try to find some sort of Christian CrossFit gem. That's where I met my husband. It worked

01:04:10.600 out very well. We had that shared hobby and shared values right away. And so that was a great

01:04:17.780 foundation for us. But that is my piece of advice to you. Women, first of all, change how you think 1.00

01:04:23.580 about marriage. Change how you think about children. Nothing in your career is going to

01:04:27.840 give you fulfillment like those things. And then also like go where the Christian men are. Can I

01:04:33.880 tell a story really fast of my friend who went to a golf store the other day to see if there would

01:04:40.180 be a guy there who would come up and talk to her and ask her on a date? It literally worked. She

01:04:45.000 went to a golf store, walked around, and a guy came up to her, started talking to her, and they

01:04:49.340 went on a couple of dates. So I'm just saying maybe stroll the aisles of Home Depot or Golf

01:04:55.680 galaxy or somewhere where you know the men are academy i don't know where guys go honestly

01:05:01.280 go somewhere where the men are and just i don't know see what happens so

01:05:06.080 that's my lifestyle pitter patter for today we will be back here on wednesday

01:05:25.680 Thank you.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - March 09, 2026

Ep 1315 ｜ James Talarico Is More Demonic Than You Think

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