00:16:01.080i've already talked about this with my audience at the beginning of the episode but i was really
00:16:08.640taken aback not only that the post went viral because i read it it's a beautiful post but i'm
00:16:13.380like this is a you know the christian testimony we hear these kinds of things a lot christians
00:16:17.980are very famously vulnerable open about what their past looked like how god redeemed them
00:16:22.820so i just thought this is another great christian testimony but i not only saw secular progressives
00:16:28.140saying, wow, this is so weird, which I've come to expect after years on X. But then also like
00:16:33.540professing Christians, people in the conservative world saying, this is embarrassing. How could you
00:16:38.820throw your wife under the bus like that? Was that hard to see? It might have even been people that
00:16:43.100you were fans of. Yes, yes. It's been hard to see, you know, other people you've looked up to
00:16:51.700in the past that like, yeah, this is absolutely horrible. And, you know, calling me derogatory
00:16:56.280words, which Trevor never said that. Sure, the word was promiscuous and you can relate it to
00:17:04.460that horrible word, but still he never called me that. And it's in and of itself, that word
00:17:11.500is derogatory. So, uh, yeah, it was, it was, it's hard again, but it's been a blessing.
00:17:21.860Yeah. So we've seen all of the public backlash, but has there been anything privately, either bad or good, that has surprised you? Messages that you've received, conversations that you've been able to have?
00:17:33.380um so of course it's been i'd say more backlash than anything of course it's reached
00:17:43.000over 34 million people yeah i'm totally gonna expect that because ali as you know the way
00:17:50.640is narrow in the christian walk and this is a dark dark world why would i expect
00:17:58.880to be praised and admired by over 34 million people when Jesus himself was hated for his
00:18:07.780message. And, uh, it was shocking in the sense that, uh, you know, as a human, it's, it's hard
00:18:16.180to be persecuted and, um, even attacked for my looks and all, just all the worst words that you
00:18:26.540could think but I have also received such beautiful messages from people saying I am so happy that I
00:18:35.580found you and that God led me to you and your testimony because I have a similar past and I
00:18:42.780never thought I could experience the blessings that you've experienced now with you know having
00:18:48.380a godly husband and um just people messaging me that they're just been crying from reading
00:18:56.960my testimony and have been blessed by that and even that just cancels out like all the bad you
00:19:05.240know and um you know you probably know the scripture I can't think of it off the top of
00:19:11.660my head, but how heaven just rejoices when one sinner repents over all the righteous people,
00:19:20.380you know? Totally. And praise God for that. And there will be stories like that that you never
00:19:25.660even see until you get to the other side of glory. There will be someone you meet in eternity in
00:19:30.700heaven who will say, you don't know me, but I heard your testimony through this crazy viral post. And
00:19:37.240when it seems like God is doing one thing, he's actually doing a million things. And
00:19:41.600so often we can't, we can't actually see what those things are. And I know that you're not
00:19:46.700fishing for compliments, but you are really, really beautiful. Not only just beautiful in
00:19:51.900your face, but just beautiful because I really see the light of Christ and the peace of him
00:19:57.440shining through you. A lot of people would be broken over what they're seeing on the internet
00:20:02.420about them. As you said, it's really hard, but you have peace because of Christ. And so I just
00:20:07.440want to hear your testimony. It is incredible. You've shared it in the past. You're so open
00:20:11.940about it. Take us back to the very beginning because the hardship that you went through in
00:20:18.540your life really starts when you were little, right? Yes, yes. So I never grew up in a religious
00:20:25.360household at all. I never knew who Jesus was. And I grew up in a family, a broken family,
00:20:33.120really. My mom and my dad were never married. In fact, they split up when I was about three
00:20:38.080years old. So I have no memory of them ever even really being together. And both my dad and my mom
00:20:44.840are, they don't have any religion. So I never grew up with like religious or, you know, virtues to
00:20:54.240really practice. It's just all about living your life now. And you figure it out as you go. But
00:21:01.200I actually, I have always had a sense, maybe this is just the Lord's hand over my life,
00:21:08.860always had a sense that this world is not it. I never really believed that I'm just going to live
00:21:17.500this life and I, I wanted to seek truth, but I never believed in God either. I had no,
00:21:28.620again, like I said, I'd never really dove into researching different religions when I was
00:21:36.040younger. But when I was about 15, I ended up wandering into a Barnes and Noble section and
00:21:43.860was really drawn into the spirituality section really just new age mysticism and self-help
00:21:50.160all about you all about lifting you up all about enlightenment and it's just such a focus on you
00:21:57.800so of course I was drawn into that so I ended up gathering like so many books reading them
00:22:04.340front to back all the time thinking I was just this amazing spiritual guru I got really into
00:22:12.240yoga and different religions. Of course, every religion but Jesus. Again, never went into
00:22:21.080Christianity. Never picked up a Bible. Did you have like a natural distaste for Christianity
00:22:25.280or was it just not one that you had considered? I did. I did. And I never even knew who Jesus was.
00:22:32.020And I've talked about this with my sister before because she was with me at the time. I remember
00:22:37.460when I was a teenager and we were walking through like a senior living home because my grandma lived
00:22:45.460there and there was like a Christian sign on the door just about how Jesus saves. And I remember
00:22:52.520just saying, Jesus isn't here. Jesus can't save you. I'm like, I don't even know who Jesus was.
00:22:57.860And I'm just saying that. And when I look back on it, it's like, it's so much demonic
00:23:05.420influence in the world that just keeps you from seeing the light of Christ yeah it when I look
00:23:12.180back on those memories it just it makes me smile now because it just shows you the realness of
00:23:18.960Jesus you bring up every other religion in the world and no one bats an eye but you start talking
00:23:24.760about Jesus and everyone is like why would you start saying that name you know
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00:24:46.800considered yourself a very spiritual person. This is when you were a teenager. You said about like
00:24:50.88015, 16. And then you started turning to partying, psychedelics, things like that, right?
00:24:56.760Yes. Yes. That path led me down to what the first line says, being a promiscuous woman.
00:25:03.920And I became heavily addicted to drugs and psychedelics. And I thought these psychedelics
00:25:10.620and these drugs were leading me into enlightenment. I was just seeking such a
00:25:16.120crazy experience, I guess, with being spiritual. I thought this was leading me closer to knowing
00:25:24.220whatever truth was out there. And, um, and yes, I saw worth and satisfaction and men and all these
00:25:34.440different religions and, um, these books that just puff you up so much. And I ended up being
00:25:44.820with just the wrong crowd of people. They were all into drugs thinking and telling me as well
00:25:51.260that you have to take these drugs, you know, to become enlightened and that you had experienced
00:25:56.900this wonderful experience with God or source or whatever you want to call it. That's what
00:26:03.260new age mystics will call. Oh, oh, or the universe. Okay. I can't forget that. Right.
00:26:07.660The universe. You want this experience with the universe. And again, I became really addicted
00:26:14.660to these drugs. I was taking them almost every day at some point. And mind you, I'm underage.
00:26:24.560I was living with my mom at the time. My mom and my dad were split up and my dad was actually a
00:26:29.860police officer at the time as well. But I, since I was living with my mom, I was able to get away
00:26:35.320with a lot. I love my mom, but she, she just wasn't, she was a bit naive in the sense that
00:26:42.980she believed everything i said and i i was a horrible liar and i like to um talk about my
00:26:53.880testimony from the point or making clear that this is not like a sob story of oh see you how
00:27:03.700jesus saved this poor victim i was an absolute culprit and this is my testimony on how a gracious
00:27:13.260loving merciful god took a culprit from the pit yeah yeah and i had very long dreadlocks i considered
00:27:22.960myself just this enlightened hippie free spirit yeah yes spiritual uh very yeah these long dreadlocks
00:27:32.780I, after my dad said that to me, that shook me up. And when I got to the hospital, I cut all my
00:27:40.820dreadlocks off. I thought this was going to be like a new beginning, right? And of course it
00:27:46.960wasn't because it was with my own strength. I thought I was going to be able to have this new
00:27:53.600life. And what do we think happened a few months later? I ended up going to another festival and
00:28:01.420getting back into drugs finding a new boyfriend and the same pattern continued and was this just
00:28:08.540to get my timeline was this the you had a boyfriend who was 50 when you were um a teenager
00:28:17.220correct you've talked about that go ahead yes i i didn't i wouldn't consider him a boyfriend okay
00:28:23.860um he was he had his own made religion this guy was very manipulative in my life very brainwashing
00:28:35.900i was abused by him many times but i felt like i couldn't get out and this was an angry man and
00:28:46.200any um person who tried to help me escape from him he was angry and would yell and like I was
00:28:54.260his possession in a sense and I never wanted to be with this man it was just it was a it was just
00:29:02.880a horrible situation he was basically like a cult leader he was uh it was absolutely a cult leader
00:29:09.920No doubt. He still has it to this day. We looked at it not too long ago to see if it was still a
00:29:19.360thing. And yeah, still has this whole main religion, probably still deceiving people,
00:29:24.520and immense hatred for Jesus, immense hatred for Christianity.
00:29:31.520Yeah. Wow. And you talk about also within this period, both before and after your near-death
00:29:37.380experience before and after the dreadlocks, like experiencing demonic activity and feeling like a
00:29:47.140sense of demonic oppression. Can you talk more about that? Because a lot of people, they don't
00:29:51.260believe that or they just don't really even know what that means. Yes, definitely. I was very
00:29:58.500suicidal in this season of my life as well. So on the outward, you know, I appear like I'm this
00:30:05.560a spiritual, a happy hippie, everything's free spirit and love. And yet on the inside, I was
00:30:13.360extremely having dark thoughts. I was self-harming as well. I was cutting myself. I still have scars
00:30:21.780to this day. And I consider that such a demonic influence as well from just everything I was
00:30:30.180also reading and um consuming I remember I was listening to like dark screamo heavy metal music
00:30:39.400and then I would self-harm and I um I yes I was suicidal I was just didn't um see any
00:30:51.760joy, real joy in life. I was also having like dark nightmares all the time. And
00:31:02.160yeah, just just darkness all around, really. Yeah. And you had moved to New Mexico with your
00:31:12.820boyfriend around age 18. And you continued, you know, doing drugs, yoga, and then online
00:31:19.120prostitution as well yes yeah when I moved to New Mexico I lived with yeah that boyfriend for a
00:31:28.920couple months and then money was just a rough thing at the time and I remember I was following
00:31:37.160different it wasn't even OnlyFans back then it was something else but all the you know some models
00:31:45.700and that um line of work it is basically only fans but a whole different kind of website so
00:31:54.040I remember telling my boyfriend you know what I could do this for a few months that's fine
00:31:57.500um and yeah I did that I made different videos and I was just trying I didn't have like a huge
00:32:06.440online presence or anything but it was just in the background something I would do and um I didn't
00:32:13.880I didn't even think that was wrong at the time and which is crazy when I look back upon it because
00:32:21.900this is just such a public thing and yeah so I did do like if you call that online prostitution
00:32:31.440as well then yes yeah and that was around the time that you overdosed and you were having seizures
00:32:37.280and you found yourself in the hospital where your dad met you right yep so this is all the year
00:32:43.0602017 oh yeah I was actually I was 18 so thank you I got it mixed up with I thought I was 17
00:32:49.040it's hard to remember but yes um after years of just being promiscuous and going into drugs I
00:32:59.960ended up coming close to death multiple times I had a really big overdose when I was about 17