Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1327 ｜ She Stood Up for Women’s Soccer. Her Team Called Her Racist

00:00:00.660 Former professional soccer player Elizabeth Eddy caught so much backlash last year when

00:00:06.120 she released an op-ed in the New York Post urging the National Women's Soccer League

00:00:11.900 to define what a woman is to protect women's sports.

00:00:15.580 Her friends and teammates publicly called her a racist and accused her of bigotry, but

00:00:21.920 she did not back down.

00:00:23.800 And here she is today to tell us her story and where her courage and clarity comes from.

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00:00:50.180 Elizabeth, thanks so much for joining us.

00:00:52.600 Tell us a little bit about who you are and why you were in the headlines last year.

00:00:56.980 First of all, thank you so much for having me.

00:00:59.400 I chose to write an article October 27th in the New York Post and it was basically asking my league

00:01:06.000 to put a policy in place that would protect the women's soccer for women and I didn't realize how

00:01:12.480 controversial that would be. I knew it would definitely be controversial but I didn't realize

00:01:15.500 the gravity or like the depth it would go and that's I would say what got the headlines. Yeah.

00:01:20.500 And it's funny because I had like I really didn't want that. I kind of knew what that

00:01:24.160 a little bit of like this is gnarly this gets intense this is like a lot but I remember

00:01:28.380 um when charlie kirk got assassinated i went to church with my fiance at the time who's now my

00:01:33.180 husband and the pastor was really clear he was like this is actually attack on free speech and

00:01:38.160 if people are in positions to speak truth and they choose not to we'll continue to lose that right

00:01:42.300 and at that point i was like oh i know i need to do this and backstory i hadn't i had brought up

00:01:49.260 to archer like hey like this is going on our league and he's like you should probably write

00:01:53.040 an article and i was like oh that's your fiance or your husband now yeah and so i i for a couple

00:01:58.240 months he's like oh are you gonna write this and i'm like oh maybe back and forth like totally

00:02:01.720 waffling and then eventually i was like no i'm not i want to keep playing which was objectively

00:02:06.280 like a selfish move slash out of fear and then when that happened with charlie i was like oh this

00:02:10.900 we're at a point in culture where this actually matters a lot more than my selfish desire to play

00:02:16.320 a sport so it kind of made my like vision get wider and bigger in my perspective and then it

00:02:21.220 kind of fast forwarded to like the article coming out and then thankfully i really appreciate that

00:02:25.740 you like made a post like share arrows with this girl because i remember being like this is really

00:02:30.220 gnarly and then all of a sudden i was like oh some people are like like kind this is crazy and then

00:02:34.880 it totally kind of exposed that like wow like this is a huge topic huge divide and very big

00:02:39.680 controversial issue in america right now okay let's go back to why you even felt the need in

00:02:44.400 the first place to write this article some people have no idea what's been going on in the women's

00:02:49.180 soccer league are you saying that there have been men okay so that's a great question i would say

00:02:54.180 landscape there's like kind of three points um first last year um we'd scrimmage the u14 lafc

00:03:00.400 boys team and they beat us and then but it's also interesting what age u14 so like a 14 year old

00:03:07.060 boys team like academy about to be pro in like three years they play us in like full grown women

00:03:11.600 professional sports they beat us which is like relatively normal but we keep scheduling these

00:03:15.580 games because it's really good for our training and then okay so you don't do it for the

00:03:19.940 entertainment factor it's really just to make you better athletes because i remember hearing about

00:03:24.880 this that the women's team had played like uc 15 boys at some point yeah a long time ago and they

00:03:30.500 lost so this happens regularly correct yeah so the teams try to schedule it because it's good but

00:03:34.680 they do close scrimmage like private trying to make sure it's not a public thing because

00:03:38.660 what we're going to learn and talk more about is this kind of topic and so this happens like we

00:03:43.380 get better we watch the film and then in the warm-up line which a lot of conversations happen

00:03:46.940 in the warm-up lines on a pro sports team because you're there 30 minutes every single day

00:03:49.780 and one of our captains was like oh i don't think we should do it the risk too high and i was like

00:03:54.100 what do you mean the risk and she was like oh well if the parents record it and posted on tiktok it

00:03:58.540 looks bad for us and at that point i was like whoa newsflash elizabeth this is like if we're

00:04:04.700 worried about looking bad but not worried about perfecting our craft like we lost the plot like

00:04:07.900 this isn't about competitive sports anymore pro sports there's something else happening here

00:04:10.880 and i kind of was like oh like dig a little deeper and then you realize like wait if we're

00:04:15.020 going to hide the fact of why women's category is important like why do we even have women's

00:04:20.400 sports categories to begin with and kind of that was like a core of this like logic framing i'd say

00:04:24.700 and then a few other experiences in the past um i was roommates with a player on a team we were

00:04:32.040 both on loan in another country but during an off season um and this player had started growing

00:04:38.380 facial hair and i was like that doesn't make sense and so i was kind of confused and there's

00:04:43.540 like like a lot more stuff coming out where it's like oh like changing pronouns and like we need

00:04:50.480 to change the rules in america and i was kind of like what's going on and this is like a handful

00:04:53.320 of years ago so i'm like a little confused at this point but like still not fully grasping

00:04:56.980 and also like where is this going and then the next kind of thing is there's some players that

00:05:00.940 like have joined teams in the next two to three years the team's dead last the player joins they

00:05:06.560 go from dead last to like winning the championship and that player is like leading goals for her by

00:05:10.060 like many goals and you're like wait this doesn't fully make sense and so there's basically questions

00:05:15.580 being asked but like because at the end of the day our league in 2021 took away policy to define

00:05:22.100 and protect the category of being nwsl for women now you're kind of in this like gray area of like

00:05:28.320 case by case exception like you don't know if those players are trans yeah like yeah is that

00:05:33.860 what you're saying trans or like partly not women yeah because like you don't really know what the

00:05:39.160 definition is because there's no clarity of what the what who this is for and what's interesting

00:05:42.800 is like you're kind of stuck in this like well then if that's where we're actually at then we

00:05:46.800 need to just talk about defining it so then we can actually like live in like the clarity and

00:05:49.860 reality of like this is a fair competition which we don't really have at the moment yeah okay so

00:05:53.860 the first thing was y'all played the uh boys 14 y'all lost which you said is pretty typical

00:06:01.760 you started hearing people saying well i don't want to post about this because it could look

00:06:05.760 bad because it kind of fuels the whole trans conversation and women are not as athletic as

00:06:10.840 men biologically like it forces that fact to be very highlighted which people don't want to be

00:06:14.480 out there people don't want to show that when it used to just be everyone knows that and that's okay

00:06:19.220 that's why we have different categories and then when you were over in europe you realized there

00:06:23.740 seems to be some push i've got this player over here that's growing a beard i don't really know

00:06:27.260 why people are talking about changing rules and then you see these players in the league the third

00:06:31.820 thing that suddenly are really really good like better than everyone else so you don't really know

00:06:36.480 what their biology is it reminds me of a main caliph yes that person the boxer and people

00:06:42.240 debated whether or not he was a woman but it really turns out like he has x y chromosomes

00:06:46.920 and that's the importance of defining it in women's boxing and that's what you're saying

00:06:51.040 needed to happen in soccer correct and it hasn't happened in our league and it or the women's

00:06:56.120 national team but i think what's interesting as i've kind of kept a pulse on this topic

00:06:59.840 is that the IOC like the International Olympic Committee new chair is made this is like her

00:07:05.420 number one running point of like we need to define the category of women's sports and they're

00:07:08.840 spending like months of like talking to like biologists scientists chemists of like what's

00:07:13.180 actually happening here and how do we like take all things and consider them and then make the

00:07:16.960 most fair decision which I think will over a bigger picture will correct everything because

00:07:21.600 the Olympics is kind of a top-down approach like fix it at the top and then the rest of it will

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00:08:25.340 code Allie. So what did you write in the New York Post? In the New York Post, I wrote an article

00:08:36.340 asking for our league to define what a woman is and if that's going to be protected in our league.

00:08:44.120 and then also if there are people that don't fit the category of women that are the weaker sex that

00:08:49.700 need to be protected then we can build a third category we can work together to build this

00:08:53.160 because at the end of the day like human dignity matters and god made everybody despite whatever

00:08:56.820 they were going through or struggling with but we have to at least protect women then we can go to

00:09:01.420 the next thing but we can't do it out of order because currently we have and now we're kind of

00:09:04.480 in this mess you said something earlier you said when you were talking to your fiance this is before

00:09:10.400 you decided to write it you said no I'm not going to write the article I want to keep playing so you

00:09:16.260 knew that that was maybe a choice that you were going to have to make between the two how did you

00:09:20.840 know that um I would it's a really great question I would say there's like a pretty strong cultural

00:09:26.920 current that operates in like a pro sporting sphere specifically the NWSL and as a kid when

00:09:33.300 you're growing up playing sports you're kind of raised of like do everything you can to play to

00:09:38.560 make that contract to get on the next team if it's to make the high school team or the college

00:09:41.600 team or the pro team so you're in this mentality of like I'll do anything to get there the danger

00:09:45.920 on the other side of that thinking is that I'll go along to get along I won't speak on things that

00:09:49.780 are true and I would say what's happened on a macro scale for the NWSL is I'd say there's

00:09:54.960 pretty strong extreme political agendas that have built the whole thing and so they're kind of in

00:09:59.880 tandem with like women's sports and then a lot of strong political agendas and I guess what I

00:10:03.880 realized is that this topic specifically and multiple others that in the past I hadn't spoken

00:10:07.800 about but this will go against the group and there was like no tolerance for a different opinion no

00:10:14.260 tolerance for even a question because I like worked really hard to write the article with

00:10:17.740 the people that helped me of like how do we do it in a way that brings everybody together we need

00:10:21.160 to sit the same table and that was unfortunately not received at all in that fashion I will say

00:10:25.940 also something I learned that was like kind of a tough reality is like when you write and it goes

00:10:30.400 into the press like the press you don't have control over the pictures and that was like

00:10:35.060 really really disheartening because i was like wait these people are using what i'm trying to

00:10:39.180 say for their agenda i'm just trying to like actually have a conversation so we can like

00:10:42.300 work together to move women's sports where it needs to go for women like this started in the

00:10:47.460 60s it started with head on eye and like we're so lucky to have a chance to play sports for our job

00:10:51.160 but like it's almost getting hijacked and changed into these other really extreme topics and so

00:10:55.280 that's what was disheartening and so then that was what was really hard for my teammates like

00:10:58.620 you let this picture be posted and i'm like it's not like the whole league should be tested don't

00:11:02.880 thing about one person that's so cruel and so that's kind of where it was like the really sad

00:11:06.660 tough part but it's like despite that picture being posted i stand by every word i wrote and

00:11:10.740 i think it's still important to have this conversation yeah so you felt like you went

00:11:15.080 to great pains to not be inflammatory to not try to make this a culture war to really just

00:11:21.720 about make it about protecting women's sports even creating like you said a different category

00:11:28.200 possibly you want everyone to be able to play soccer but you want the competition to be fair

00:11:32.400 and you were probably really hoping that people would read the article in the spirit of how you

00:11:37.680 meant it but you got a lot of backlash so talk about that um yeah the backlash was pretty brutal

00:11:44.920 um what ended up happening is the article came out and then I was like I think on the weekend

00:11:51.560 or beginning of a week and then we have a game every weekend so the weekend came up

00:11:55.120 and then before every game our captains get sent out to like the press to like do media

00:11:59.940 and before they went to their questions the PR lady announced like hey they're going to address

00:12:05.120 something in the news and there'll be no questions and so then they like did the press statement

00:12:09.840 basically and the two captains shared their thoughts on the article and they spoke on behalf

00:12:14.380 of the team and the organization and that was really really hard to hear because I'd had

00:12:18.900 conversations with both of them in the past and I was really close with them to the point where

00:12:22.580 they were both invited to our wedding one of them helped my fiance plan the proposal like they're

00:12:27.020 like people that i was pretty close with and that's where i was like i feel like i've sewed

00:12:31.200 so much of these friendships i would have like hoped they could survive something like this

00:12:34.240 which i quickly realized at least in the short-term period that has not happened but i would say i

00:12:38.640 still hope for reconciliation because i know that god is a god of reconciliation and he wants us to

00:12:42.900 like find ways to come back together with compassion and love not at all discrediting

00:12:46.380 truth but like slowly working through out in light of truth yeah but i would say that that was they

00:12:50.980 basically one of them read like the undertones of the article are racist and transphobic and then

00:12:55.540 went on to say quite a few other things and went into topics about like where I grew up that just

00:12:59.880 didn't really like have fully things to do with it and then it kind of the other one shared about

00:13:04.240 like belonging inclusion and then some questions that I had were like belonging for who and

00:13:08.780 inclusion to what like it's belonging for some but not for like for the not for me situation so

00:13:13.200 it was really tricky to be like how do you move forward when you're showing up every day with

00:13:17.060 these people and you need to yeah I would say like what I learned I had a really hard experience a

00:13:22.200 few years prior as well and I feel like I prayed a lot and I feel like I was like love on offense

00:13:25.520 like these people can spit in your face and theoretically they didn't do that hold the door

00:13:29.720 ask how they're doing pick up their trash like engage because if you go quiet elizabeth you're

00:13:33.960 like losing the plot and you're like and contributing to the divide but if you continue

00:13:37.460 offering the olive branch and like making that effort like that's the right thing to do no matter

00:13:41.140 how hard it is it's at least an action to focus on so keep doing that yeah we have a couple of

00:13:45.640 those clips just in case people missed it i was you know staying tuned to all of this at the time

00:13:49.700 but some might not have been so let's just play a couple of those for context let's play sot nine

00:13:53.860 first. I've had a lot of combos with my teammates in the past few days, and they are hurt and they

00:14:01.960 are harmed by the article. And also they are disgusted by some of the things that were said

00:14:06.280 in the article. And it's really important for me to say that. And we don't agree with the things

00:14:11.800 written for a plethora of reasons, but mostly the undertones come across as transphobic and racist

00:14:18.580 as well were you shocked to hear that the racist harmful phobic uh i was 100 shocked because i was

00:14:25.740 like the words i wrote there's like no way that could be conceived at least that was my strong

00:14:30.200 opinion i am aware though that the picture situation with the way the news works could

00:14:34.840 make people think that because there were some black players that were depicted in the pictures

00:14:39.140 yeah you did not choose and new york post chose it yeah and i'll also say the post wanted to like

00:14:44.340 add names and i was like you cannot add names this is about like a bigger topic not you can't

00:14:47.900 single out player so like it was definitely turned into like i don't know like i'm gonna do the right

00:14:52.620 thing i'm the best that i can and then i can't control everything yeah um but yeah it was i would

00:14:57.640 say like heartbreaking and like really i was really really sad for like a couple days yeah of

00:15:03.480 course and then i was like god what do you want me to do like how do i engage how do i respond and

00:15:08.860 how do i like love people the best of my ability with the current circumstance and so then i ended

00:15:14.420 up going on fox news and i was like it's felt like god was basically like reminding me like

00:15:20.480 these are the two people that you invited to your wedding like offer the olive branch like i say like

00:15:24.280 i hope you come you've already said yes please come it's okay to disagree but we can't resort

00:15:28.460 to bullying and name calling which i would say that clip shows and so at the end of the day it's

00:15:33.000 like when i what i realized too is when people try to bully your name call they're trying to

00:15:36.620 delegitimize a person or a topic because they don't want to deal with it and so it's kind of

00:15:39.960 this like how could you ever bring that up it's like well because it's actually important and

00:15:44.280 just because you don't want to talk about it doesn't mean we're not going to talk about it

00:15:46.560 yeah which is why i'm like happy to talk to you here and continue talking about this topic more

00:15:50.100 because i'm like realizing this doesn't go away yeah and if those of us that have a position or

00:15:55.240 a chance to speak on something that's true don't do it we continue losing the rights for women that

00:16:00.220 are weaker than men and a lot of other rights that we have in america today were you able to have a

00:16:04.940 private conversation with them and you don't have to reveal anything that you're not comfortable

00:16:08.160 talking about but after they accused you racist transphobic all of these things were you able to

00:16:15.160 have a reasonable discussion to be able to say well no like this is what I meant and this is why

00:16:20.040 it's not racist or was that not able to happen um the the conversation with the teammates that

00:16:25.620 went on the news didn't happen but multiple other teammates came to me and said what our captain

00:16:30.040 said I don't stand by I want you to know that like although I don't like the situation like

00:16:33.980 I understand what you're doing and I like respect that and then even other teammates that like

00:16:37.680 really publicly don't agree generally on almost everything we're like I totally empathize with

00:16:43.260 you you're in a really hard spot this is brutal I respect this what you're doing I don't agree

00:16:47.500 with what you're doing at all I would counter you but I still understand what it's like to

00:16:50.520 be under tack from the oppressed right so that was like really cool to see I'd say silver linings

00:16:56.020 where it's like and then there was also like like I care about you but also you should do this so

00:17:01.020 there's interesting levels of like I don't know strategy happening I'd say yeah were you

00:17:05.320 disappointed by any people who said i completely agree with you i support you but i could never do

00:17:11.400 that um yeah there's a part of me that's like come on because if you do the snowballs and this

00:17:17.380 thing actually changes in a shorter time frame than not but at the same time i like can totally

00:17:21.700 empathize with them because it was so hard for me to do this like i was waffling for months about it

00:17:25.720 and didn't really i don't it wasn't like i wanted to do it it was more like i felt like i needed to

00:17:29.960 do it yeah angel fc issued a statement um in support of gordon's remarks so the player that

00:17:38.520 called this i think we have a picture of that um our captain spoke with courage and clarity well

00:17:44.020 that's disappointing that's a phrase that i say on this show all of the time but they mean it in

00:17:47.680 the opposite way courage and clarity no one in our community should be questioned harassed or

00:17:51.600 targeted because of their identity which again i'm sure is disappointing to you because that is

00:17:56.540 not what you called for you didn't call for anyone to be harassed no not at all and what's funny is

00:18:01.620 in light of that i'm like people have been being harassed period because of people's watching games

00:18:06.520 and having opinions i'm saying have a policy so people stop getting harassed and end this like

00:18:10.640 ambiguity because the ambiguity is what's creating it yeah so like even though the captains may have

00:18:14.580 spoke what they spoke i'm like the league's choosing to not be clear the league's choosing

00:18:18.980 to absolve leadership and responsibility of like if you just lead with integrity and say what

00:18:22.960 things are and stand by it you at least will be able to like not have this type of thing going on

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00:19:51.180 Okay. We've never had a professional female athlete on the show before. Can you talk about

00:19:56.500 just physically what it is like to play against like a 14 year old boy in soccer? You're at the

00:20:02.380 top of your game. You're super athletic. We were talking off camera. You have been your whole life.

00:20:06.140 you come from a family of athletes, super competitive, yet y'all lost to 14 year old

00:20:11.380 boys. Tell us why that is, why people out there may not know. They might be thinking, well,

00:20:16.720 really what difference does it make? That's a great question. I would say

00:20:20.680 at the bottom line, it's like a physiological difference and a biological difference that's

00:20:25.680 rooted in chromosomes. And so when, when boys hit puberty, they get like their bone densities,

00:20:32.140 like grows their muscle tissue grows their lung capacity grows and they're born with that and then

00:20:36.280 it just like matures as they grow so even if somebody's like younger they're still going to

00:20:40.240 be advantaged just because that's how like the y chromosome shift and in my article i wrote like

00:20:44.240 two options of the way to kind of solve this potentially one was doing like uh people with

00:20:48.680 ovaries can play women's sports which is what england did and i was speaking with sharon davies

00:20:51.740 about it how like she was spearheading that i would say thing to get done in england that the

00:20:57.020 FAA, which is a football association in England, protected women's soccer by that policy, which I

00:21:02.940 would say didn't go over well with the group that's kind of running the American side. But then what

00:21:06.800 the other way is to do the SRY gene test. And that, as I like read a lot about that, it determines if

00:21:11.780 the Y chromosome expresses. And once it expresses when those kind of, I would say, physiological

00:21:16.060 differences take place. And so then as a person that's like physically lived this and had the

00:21:20.200 personal experience, when you're out there against a 14 year old boy, if he's at all close to hitting

00:21:24.200 puberty they're like simply bigger faster stronger so then it forces you to play quicker which

00:21:29.160 basically means you have to think faster and position yourself better and that's where you

00:21:33.020 kind of can kind of hang and we can sometimes mental aspect of having to think more quickly

00:21:37.520 not just move more quickly yeah and so a lot of part and soccer is like the most beautiful game

00:21:41.680 ever because the more you play the slower the game becomes because you're aware of the timing

00:21:46.900 and then the spacing and when to go into the time when to do things spacing wise and then create

00:21:51.560 spacing by your movement where 14 year old boys they're just like let me run fast and try hard

00:21:54.460 yeah so when we ever get in physical battle they crush us if we can play the tactical game like a

00:21:58.920 chess style we can kind of win or hang once that's what we don't play over 14 or 15 because at that

00:22:03.740 point they're all bigger faster stronger and they're so much bigger faster stronger that the

00:22:08.060 tactics don't even help you yeah if you're spacing and timing's better they'll still just overpower

00:22:12.380 you yeah so that's i'd say at the end of the day like from physical personal experience i'm like

00:22:16.240 it doesn't matter like boys will always be girls it's not a bad thing and there's edge cases where

00:22:20.980 like a not athletic boy will get beat by an athletic girl but that doesn't really help the

00:22:24.340 conversation of like what is fair and what should leagues be based on yeah i remember this study

00:22:28.840 from duke university and it was from several years ago maybe even before all of it became just

00:22:33.900 so hyper polarized and it was comparing track athletes and it said something along the lines

00:22:40.340 of i've cited the exact study before but like allison felix the olympian runner that her world

00:22:46.340 record has been beaten over 15,000 times by 15 year old boys and who are just, you know, high

00:22:53.080 school, they might be good, but they're probably not the best of the best. And they say in the

00:22:59.860 study that the key differentiator, the only one is the existence of testes. That, that is like,

00:23:06.620 that is what makes the difference in how long and fast you can run that. Like you said,

00:23:11.760 there are some exceptions super strong athletic girl maybe not a strong athletic guy but that is

00:23:18.060 the rare exception and we're not talking about the exceptions we're talking about the rules yeah and

00:23:22.060 if you're trying to govern a group or set a standard or set precedent it's like we're doing

00:23:25.440 this for the majority and what are the majority statistics and like you said it's like and it's

00:23:29.720 even like more than testes i'm like this is like your chromosomes when you're the egg and the sperm

00:23:33.880 meet like this is super early on like once the right chromosomes express the right chromosomes

00:23:37.180 expressed some version of testes will be there and at that point that person is not able to

00:23:41.560 compete in the female category is what the rule should be currently not right hopefully we'll get

00:23:46.140 there in the future yeah identities don't compete biology yeah and that is the difference maker

00:23:51.640 when i'm like people are free will in america to live whatever identity you want you cannot

00:23:56.500 enter a competitive competition that's based on like sex-based differences like it just isn't fair

00:24:01.320 yeah and it's i'm almost sometimes like how are we here how are we having a conversation but then

00:24:07.480 i'm like well elizabeth that attitude's not helpful this is where you're at actually getting

00:24:10.960 the get in the arena and you still play for the same team i do not play for the same team anymore

00:24:16.320 i just i they didn't sign me re-sign me last year and now i'm just about to announce my retirement

00:24:21.220 and then i actually just started professional surfing okay what in the world okay let's go

00:24:26.600 back they didn't re-sign you you wanted to be re-signed um i would say i was like open to

00:24:31.160 whatever was the best case the new coach said was fantastic and as a player i'd say the most fun

00:24:35.460 part the longer i've played is like playing for good coaches because they like build a system of

00:24:38.900 an organization have a theory have a process to go through and then you grow and the team's

00:24:42.460 crushing it i watched their last for sure their first game i haven't watched the second game but

00:24:45.820 i'm like they're playing great football and they're winning which is like fun to be a part of

00:24:48.540 so playing underneath that coach he's amazing would have been really cool but i was like there's

00:24:52.920 a lot of moving pieces i'm having to move on to the next season of my career and i talked to like

00:24:55.940 pro teams like locally state stateside and internationally and after like considering

00:24:59.880 that talking with my now husband it was like this it's best to retire and move on and like kind of

00:25:03.980 be settled and have like build a life where you're not living out of a suitcase for the last 11 years

00:25:07.680 do you think they didn't re-sign you because of your article um i wouldn't be as be so quick to

00:25:14.500 say that i would say that's for sure a piece of it because i just know from a pro sport standpoint

00:25:17.840 they consider like all options like how old you are what their goals are as a club where they're

00:25:22.220 trying to go i know for sure what i wrote criticizing league was not helpful in any

00:25:26.500 capacity and whether or not angel city it's like every other team's like yeah you might be a good

00:25:30.380 old wise really competent player but like probably not worth shaking the rock in the boat

00:25:34.680 Hmm. Yeah. Because they might think that you're on some kind of activist terror and they don't want negative press, even though they should be. Yes, we love this champion of truth and the protection of women's sports because the existence of the league depends upon the biological category of women. So you think that they would be like totally supportive, but obviously we know that's not always the case.

00:25:55.780 which is what's sad to me because i'm like even if you're so bent to be inclusive build a second

00:26:00.840 division that's for open like you can do that you built the league you worked hard you built something

00:26:05.140 like like it's it's possible like why are we saying no it's almost just like there's not

00:26:10.040 enough in the world mentality versus like we can build more especially in this country of america

00:26:12.940 we have the freedom to build whatever we want it's like the best blessing ever and i'm like

00:26:15.920 the internet flattened buried entry come on guys we can do this like we can work together

00:26:19.720 we do need to protect the women's category you're free to build what you want has it surprised you

00:26:24.640 other like you know professional soccer players like Megan Rapinoe have not only not said anything

00:26:29.700 about protecting women's sports but have been very outright and say no we want everyone who

00:26:35.080 identifies as a woman to play women's sports and I mean you've got to think like gosh how would that

00:26:39.880 have affected your ability to become a professional athlete if that had been the case 20 years ago

00:26:44.980 yeah I would say like two things for sure limits the ability to play pro sports because now you're

00:26:49.040 competing not with just with girls but with whoever else that wants to or is working through

00:26:53.000 their identity or is born with different um chromosome expressions but what i would say

00:26:58.080 is what's interesting is that you have like the lgbtq plus situation at the moment and half of that

00:27:06.360 are people like it crosses a line from like biology to identity where it's trying to like

00:27:11.560 continue with this like intersectionality of the oppressed group and once you kind of get there

00:27:16.700 like megan rapinoe is like now like i would say whether or not she's like thinking fully through

00:27:22.100 like has to continue on this path versus being like wait what's real here and where if you even

00:27:27.140 pull people that were like originally in that people group before it added all these extra

00:27:30.460 letters then they're like wait i don't want this this isn't right this isn't fair and even like

00:27:36.120 i've spoken with people in the trans community and some very much want to be playing sports some are

00:27:40.900 like stop using us as political footballs so it's it's what's really interesting is people are

00:27:45.180 struggling and they don't need to be targeted harassed they need to be supported but they also

00:27:48.920 don't need to go i would say take away from women who are weaker than men and weaker than people that

00:27:53.220 take testosterone or have y chromosomes so to me it's like it's a little bit messy but it's still

00:27:57.760 really clear like it's hard to enact and people aren't really willing to deal with like i would

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00:29:06.560 Professional surfing has the same issue. We've had Bethany Hamilton. I said we haven't had a

00:29:10.340 female athlete we've had bethany hamilton oh nice that's awesome you know she spoke up about the

00:29:14.780 same issue and so are you worried at all or thinking about how this issue will also affect

00:29:19.860 professional surfing i definitely thought across my mind because i like read a little bit about her

00:29:23.620 in that topic um but again i'm like i think competing in sports are really fun and it's

00:29:28.300 like a really good thing to do if i'm able to speak on it or share about it i happily will but

00:29:32.920 i'm also like i think it'll be good to compete and talk about it because i think people if talk

00:29:38.820 about it and leave something where I'm like oh I'll start to try a new sport and see how it goes

00:29:41.660 but the topic definitely is not going anywhere but again I think with the Olympic situation and

00:29:46.080 how that like leadership is I would say trying to lead well with strength and get clarity on this

00:29:50.560 issue will like really trickle down well yeah okay I'm so curious how you even got these convictions

00:29:55.940 in the first place most people in any industry of any background would say I don't want to rock the

00:30:02.400 boat I know you talked about Charlie Kirk but obviously the conviction was before Charlie so

00:30:06.720 just that might be a really long answer of telling your entire life story but just tell me of how you

00:30:12.200 shaped your beliefs and got the courage that you have um that's a great question growing up um we

00:30:17.120 would go to church every sunday and then i would say i went to a private christian middle school

00:30:21.640 called calvary chapel and we had a tuesday chapel and this guy spoke and shared his testimony and

00:30:26.640 his name was joy bran and he shares that he was the best surfer in the world went to hawaii won

00:30:32.020 the pipe masters got a perfect 10 shot out of the barrel like the crowd comes down carries him on

00:30:36.800 the shoulders runs to the podium he gets the trophy and then it starts to rain and he's like

00:30:40.500 this was it i did all this work for this moment and now it's over and then he tried to commit

00:30:45.460 suicide woke up three days later in the hospital bed and was like god you must be real and what do

00:30:49.040 you have for me so he shared that story and i'm 12 or 13 and i'm like well i'm going to be good

00:30:53.160 at sports i don't want to end up being totally depressed when i get the goal i thought was

00:30:56.660 going to bring any amount of satisfaction and so then i really kind of like started reading the

00:31:00.720 Bible studying it and in high school my mom and I like started reading the Bible together in a year

00:31:04.940 and that time like just reading the word and slowly trying to figure out what it's actually

00:31:08.840 saying and seeing like the through line story of God's redemptive grace but also his like

00:31:12.700 uncompromising truth where he actually holds those two tensions like Jesus is like this is wrong but

00:31:16.980 I still love you like you can't throw the first stone but go and send them more like he actually

00:31:21.220 holds it so perfectly and so getting to like study that through high school and then through college

00:31:25.700 and I'd say up till this point I've probably read the Bible through 10 times and just trying to like

00:31:29.080 slowly pour truth in is where I was like okay this is true not compromising but then what was

00:31:34.400 always kind of a bit of a tricky navigation throughout like my pro career was cool how does

00:31:38.320 it relate now that I'm in playing a sport for my job now that like I'm somewhat expected to speak

00:31:42.980 on things or have make decisions on things really publicly that unfortunately or fortunately like

00:31:47.440 get over it that's the job are like in the news in the press and you're gonna like take heat for

00:31:51.720 it or you're gonna get praised for it but you're in the arena and so like figuring out how to

00:31:55.080 navigate that it's been really I would say tricky and difficult but I feel like I'm slowly coming

00:31:59.880 into like you need to just speak the truth and don't hide about it anymore where in the past I

00:32:04.500 was like more willing to like go along to get along and I would say my faith's grown stronger

00:32:10.400 as I've seen God be faithful he like he always provides he always sustains and I'm like at the

00:32:15.280 end of the day I'm going to answer to God not to anybody else here on this earth and I think that

00:32:18.820 conviction and that like focus has grown so much that I now I'm like I would almost say feel strong

00:32:24.040 enough or like god speak through me i'm willing to like be obedient to your holy spirit so it's

00:32:27.740 been like a long long slow journey but i would say it's like just reading the word and like

00:32:31.060 genuinely being like god what's true and like help me understand tell me how that helped you

00:32:36.400 in the couple days after seeing your teammates say you know basically she's a racist um i would

00:32:43.060 say the most important piece was just remembering when jesus is like you're gonna have persecution

00:32:47.880 you're gonna have trials like it's gonna be worse now that i'm leaving but i'm gonna leave you the

00:32:51.420 Holy Spirit and just remembering certain truths like that was like this is expected and then almost

00:32:55.940 in a weird way like this is good because you're actually doing something that matters because if

00:32:59.960 you were unbothered then you're probably not making much of a difference and if you have a

00:33:03.900 position to do that and you do make the difference then you will have backlash which is like should

00:33:07.980 be expected almost so I'd almost say it was like encouraging and then also weirdly like confidence

00:33:12.620 building yeah so you're becoming a professional surfer after being a professional soccer player

00:33:18.020 for so long tell me what went into that decision um I actually grew up wanting to surf that was my

00:33:23.520 favorite sport hands down I liked it so much that at 12 I begged my mom to homeschool me and I was

00:33:28.680 like please mom homeschool me draw me off at the beach every day it's gonna be amazing and she's

00:33:31.780 like sure I have three younger siblings so it didn't really go quite as planned I'd wake up

00:33:35.980 early get all my work done by like 10 a.m I'd be like hey mom I'm ready to be dropped off at the

00:33:39.780 beach and she'd be like well your three younger siblings are still sleeping but here's a load of

00:33:44.580 laundry to fold so after three months of like that experience I was like please send me back

00:33:48.900 to school I'd rather be social and like hang out friends um so that like didn't go to a pro surfing

00:33:53.620 at a young age but what it did happen is like I still loved surfing and then I ended up joining

00:33:57.620 the surf team in high school and I went to a public high school called Newport Harbor and

00:34:01.300 I won states for like the JV level which was like pretty cool like surfing here and there

00:34:06.520 and the girl two girls ahead of me went pro and then what I remember happening is the guy Joey

00:34:10.720 brand who like spoke when i became a christian he watched me play high school girls basketball

00:34:14.300 freshman year and was like hey when you're done with pro soccer save up 20 grand two years ago

00:34:18.040 get you on the world tour and i was like oh cool so i just finished soccer i went met with him a

00:34:22.120 couple months ago i'm like hey like i'm looking and he saw you play basketball yeah like 12 or

00:34:26.000 13 or 14 okay and he was like you're just athletic enough and yeah like if you love this a lot i'm

00:34:31.500 happily gonna help you out and like since then like he's coached the english national team for

00:34:35.820 surfing the u.s national team a couple other countries and he's like coached them to the

00:34:39.680 Olympic gold and stuff and so he's like hey this is who you should work with he's like the little

00:34:44.100 landscapes changed a bit so like go for it if you want so I would say I'm pursuing it now but I would

00:34:48.140 say what's the biggest change is that in soccer and a lot of team sports it's like push push push

00:34:53.780 and you're like combatively competing where surfing is a totally different chain like experience where

00:34:59.340 you can't surf well unless you're in flow state because you're riding the wave like it's you and

00:35:03.400 the wave and doing art together and if you don't do that well like there's no one else on the wave

00:35:06.880 with you so I would say I'm learning a whole new way of like approaching sport in a competitive

00:35:10.700 space which has been so rewarding and also like freeing and in a weird way way less stressful

00:35:15.380 because there's like no other people involved yeah and then I found like a coach so he's starting

00:35:19.280 to coach me and he's probably gonna shape me a surfboard and so kind of getting into like that

00:35:22.640 art and finding out like what's the right dimensions and shape and size for my size height

00:35:26.580 and weight and like kind of building out like I would say like my tools to go like play in the

00:35:30.540 ocean better yeah I think I don't know how old you are we're probably around 34 okay we're around

00:35:35.360 yeah we're the exact same age had to think of what aj is so i am sure that that's like a little

00:35:40.760 unconventional for starting a new professional sport to be 34 yeah totally unconventional and

00:35:46.360 i would say it's very much something i'm holding lucy of like god i would love to do this but like

00:35:50.920 if you open doors i'll go and if closer i was like cool i'm happy for whatever's else but three weeks

00:35:54.800 ago i did just get back from barbados my first pro surfing contest ever and i surfed in the i think

00:35:59.720 it was a btmi barbados open and it was for the wsl which stands for world surf league in the

00:36:04.060 qualifying series i like lost in the first round but it was like i got to put the jersey on i got

00:36:08.220 a paddle out and i was like this is the coolest thing ever and then i made some friends in the

00:36:11.420 heat who i've surfed together with at trestles which is or uppers beach in trestles which is

00:36:15.480 like one of the best surf breaks in the world so just getting to start surfing and be around

00:36:18.440 people doing it at a high level i'm like this is so much fun and i would say i'm almost approaching

00:36:22.040 from like this is fun enjoy it as much as you can versus i have to do it and be the best yeah i think

00:36:26.720 the energy you approach things with like totally transforms experience and i'm learning to like

00:36:30.820 really trust God and the how versus in soccer world for 11 years. And like my whole life was

00:36:35.160 like optimize and be the best, which quickly becomes like very like striving and like effortful

00:36:40.440 where I feel like God's like, my yoke is easy. My burden is light. Like that is not the way to

00:36:45.220 approach it. And then when I've been in states of that, I'm like, oh, this is right. And then

00:36:48.500 all of a sudden I slip out and do it my own way. Yeah. But surfing will require that. That is so

00:36:52.480 cool. Yeah. You just got married and hopefully one day y'all have a family, have kids and yeah,

00:36:59.620 little athletic kids. Do you think at all about what the future of girls sports will look like

00:37:04.840 if you have a daughter one day? I do think about the future of women's sports and I'm hoping to

00:37:09.820 have many daughters and that doesn't, they won't have opportunities I had unless I do choose to

00:37:14.960 speak up now and then ask my other peers to speak up and ask anybody in women's sports to speak up,

00:37:20.100 ask fathers to speak up, like ask anyone that cares, like share what's going on and stand for

00:37:24.620 what you believe is true. And even if you don't believe the same as me, have the dialogue and get

00:37:28.400 out there versus like sitting behind closed doors and this whole group think thing and

00:37:32.080 then just saying mean things like actually have the discussion and then respectfully disagree

00:37:35.980 i just don't i'm like really disheartened by like the choice to like label cut out and then like not

00:37:41.760 engage and that's happening like all over americano topics and all spheres and you're like

00:37:45.560 this is not how we move forward yeah

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00:38:45.460 I watched this young man, and gosh, his name is escaping me, but I was recently at a banquet,

00:38:51.800 and he was giving his testimony he actually gave a speech for Trump and he's this little 12 year

00:38:57.640 old boy and he lives in California and he spoke up because they had a reading buddy program

00:39:03.480 and one of the books that he was required to read to his kindergarten buddy was about

00:39:10.140 transgenderism and about you know being able to identify however you want to and this sweet

00:39:14.960 Christian boy was like well I don't want to do this like I feel so guilty reading this to this

00:39:20.940 kid and he very kindly and respectfully spoke up to the teacher the parents went to the school it

00:39:26.380 turned into this whole big controversy where the entire school had a pink out day to protest him

00:39:32.160 and protest this little boy standing up for the truth and standing up for this impressionable

00:39:37.380 mind that he was reading to his friends turned against him friends parents turned against him

00:39:42.060 and anyway they ended up transferring to a different school and I was just listening to

00:39:46.980 I was sobbing my eyes out as a mom because it just challenged me.

00:39:50.600 I was like, I want to raise brave kids, not just safe kids.

00:39:54.900 Yes, we want our kids to be safe, but I want to raise that kind of child, the kind of child

00:40:00.020 who is willing to stand up even when everyone turns against them.

00:40:03.600 I'm sure you think about that a lot as I have all girls.

00:40:06.580 And so as like a mom of daughters, it's hard because there's so much coming after our girls.

00:40:11.820 But like, gosh, I want them to have the courage like you have to be able to speak up when

00:40:16.500 it's really hard yeah and i would say i feel like to your point what's super important is like the

00:40:21.760 parenting and the parent its ability to like create a safe loving place for the kid to learn

00:40:26.420 and grow and like be able to speak up at 12 to be like i don't want to do this or i feel

00:40:29.420 uncomfortable and share that yeah it takes so much courage and then what's really interesting is the

00:40:33.140 other side of the conversation saying it takes courage and it's like yeah but where's the truth

00:40:37.940 because at the end of the day unless we seek the truth we're going to get lost pretty far off yeah

00:40:41.960 totally how did you meet your husband um we met on hinge dating apps work really yeah okay do you

00:40:48.300 hear that yeah do you hear that because yes my assistant yeah anyway we've had a conversation

00:40:54.620 about dating apps i won't get into the details but we were just talking about how sometimes

00:40:59.120 like the unconventional things really do work god can use them i would prefer in person as would he

00:41:04.360 but you're like hey this is where everybody that is in the psychographic to want to date spends

00:41:07.640 their time when they're looking to date so just try it out and then i tried it out and it worked

00:41:11.580 yeah but I have heard a lot of bad stories so I'm you know there's both yeah of course you can't say

00:41:16.140 it works for everyone but it only takes one yeah you're looking for one yeah God can use any

00:41:20.700 pathway why would we like in pride say I won't do that like yeah yeah and y'all have been married

00:41:26.060 for just a few months now yeah two and a half months oh my goodness yeah congratulations I

00:41:29.740 didn't actually realize it had been that recent and y'all are still in California navigating the

00:41:34.080 craziness there yes we're in California but we're in Newport Beach which is I would say a city that's

00:41:38.420 a lot more protective towards like i would say common sense yeah but simply yeah do you feel a

00:41:43.960 call at all to kind of stay there and be a light in the darkness not saying that all of california

00:41:49.360 is dark but it's very progressive oh 100 i would say since i was young i was like i would love to

00:41:55.640 move back to newport and like help even this city be better and also our whole state because i

00:42:02.100 genuinely think california is one of the best places of land in the world yeah and it's got

00:42:06.400 so much going for it and then the current leadership is just running in a direction that

00:42:10.200 i think is very bad yeah and so it's like how can you get involved and help and i do not think

00:42:13.600 running away is a good idea although a lot of our family friends have moved and i'm like i understand

00:42:17.920 but like come back like it's worth it if we come back together in our uniform and actually choose

00:42:22.440 to show up to like school board meetings and city council meetings and just participate i think that

00:42:26.420 would really go a long way yeah you spoke on the steps of the supreme court earlier this year i

00:42:32.360 think it was like during the week that we were at the same event for alliance defending freedom

00:42:38.220 and this was about a case over girls sports and protecting title nine tell me about that

00:42:43.080 experience um that was totally like not on the radar and i would say really cool and was really

00:42:48.180 empowering and it was the biggest thing that was changed for me is that it made me realize how

00:42:52.380 far or how bad the situation is i didn't realize that the policies are so fragile that protect

00:42:59.180 women's sports and like hearing the at the uh the gala thing when the people that argued the case

00:43:05.040 came and shared what was actually going on and realizing that i think it was this this case is

00:43:09.460 to set precedent so 34 of the states in america are able to protect women's sports which then

00:43:13.960 tells you wait right now they can't and so the fact that the policies are so bad and so unprotective

00:43:18.780 of women and women's sports made me realize oh there's a long way to go and like oh i should

00:43:23.160 probably keep going and share and help and try to get involved because this is a whole lot bigger

00:43:27.360 than me or soccer and so i would say that was like a huge pivotal moment for me of like oh time to

00:43:32.600 get in the game like the real game yeah okay if anyone out there no matter what industry they're

00:43:37.340 in sports or not is kind of in the position that you were before charlie died they know that they

00:43:42.880 have something to say they know that something around them is wrong but they're scared to lose

00:43:46.920 their job lose opportunities lose safety friends or whatever what encouragement would you give

00:43:51.600 someone in that situation um if anyone's struggling with fear of loss if it's loss of job or friends or

00:43:57.080 or safety even i would say remember who you're living for and remember that at the end of the

00:44:02.900 day you're going to stand before god and answer for your actions and that will give you the courage

00:44:07.280 to push through and then also remember the god that you do serve he's faithful he sustains and

00:44:11.700 he provides and he works a whole lot bigger and better than any of us can think or conceive and

00:44:16.340 so like trusting in that knowing that and then doing the and doing the best you can you're going

00:44:20.940 to mess up you're going to say silly things you're going to step on your toes like it's going to not

00:44:24.720 be perfect but you're obedient and god rewards obedience and god's like i just asked you to

00:44:29.160 follow me you don't have to become or do all this stuff just be obedient to me that's so important

00:44:33.880 we always talk about doing the next right thing which obviously i didn't come up with that quote

00:44:37.740 but doing the next right thing in faith with excellence and for the glory of god that's really

00:44:42.120 all we're asked to do like god didn't ask you when you wrote the article to speak on the steps of

00:44:47.540 supreme court you didn't know that and maybe if he had showed you okay like are you willing to

00:44:52.000 lose this friend and do all of that maybe you would have said no but he doesn't reveal the

00:44:55.980 entire path at once he just says just like take the next step and trust me and then sometimes we

00:45:01.180 look back and we're like oh my gosh I had no idea that I was gonna run that far or go all of those

00:45:06.000 places totally takes care of it oh and even like sometimes it's a place that I don't really want

00:45:10.460 to go but then he's like no I'm gonna lead you then you're like wait this is actually really

00:45:13.960 purposeful and way more important than things that I would wouldn't have even conceived of

00:45:18.440 so it's like I would say a lot more like grounding and has to do for purpose than a lot of times we

00:45:22.280 like to think I saw this analogy the other day on x and it was Tim Keller I don't know if you ever

00:45:27.580 like read any Tim Keller stuff but he was talking about when he was a young pastor speaking to an

00:45:33.980 older woman in his church who had gone through a lot a lot of hardship and betrayal in her life

00:45:38.120 and he would always try to talk with her through the hard things that she went through

00:45:41.660 but she would always answer with well God's gonna do this Jesus is coming back one day God is gonna

00:45:46.980 take care of everything that has ever been done wrong, always would point back to Christ and what

00:45:51.200 she'll get in heaven. And he thought of, you know, she really had this kind of watchtower approach

00:45:57.140 that when you're in the midst of battle and it looks like the enemy is winning and around you,

00:46:01.660 it just looks bloody. But if you could go up to the watchtower and you see like the Lord's army

00:46:07.200 or the other army, like coming over the horizon and you know that victory is on its way, you're

00:46:12.620 going to have a very different perspective of the pain and the bloodiness that's right before you

00:46:17.320 it seems like we're losing down here but if you can climb up to the watchtower and see that okay

00:46:22.560 god's got it i don't know how but he's got it it really changes her perspective i don't know that

00:46:27.680 i always have that perspective yeah but it's comforting i'm i totally agree i feel like

00:46:32.260 whatever kind of you focus on grows and the more i focus on like reading the word and just praying

00:46:36.760 and like asking god for guidance direction the more i'm getting clarity of like make this call

00:46:41.040 this person say yes to this go do this and then i'm like this is like kind of crazy doesn't make

00:46:45.360 sense and i feel like i'm just like saying yes without fully understanding and then it just gets

00:46:49.160 better and better it still gets i would say more painful at times but it's like i know that i have

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00:48:07.860 have you forgiven the friends that in the moment you may have felt betrayed you

00:48:15.380 um yeah it's crazy because i archer was like hey i think you you made myself some bitterness

00:48:21.620 towards soccer and your team and then i was i we went to a prayer mountain recently like we went

00:48:27.240 took backpacks bibles and journals and spent like eight hours just in nature like praying and

00:48:31.220 journaling separately and then i came back and i felt like god was like just study my word and

00:48:35.660 like know me more so every morning i get up and do that for a few hours and then the one of the

00:48:39.660 days angel said he'd had their first game and i like watched it and then i texted one of the

00:48:44.060 friends who said that stuff and i was like great second assist great job like i always had no like

00:48:48.260 bitterness and i feel like that was totally a gift from god because it is so easy to be like

00:48:52.620 they hurt me i'm mad at them yeah and then then i'm like angry and then all this energy is going

00:48:58.500 towards this like terrible emotion that like no one's getting hurt but me and i'm like this is

00:49:01.900 just silly but i can't get rid of it and then i have to pay god please purify burn this out of me

00:49:06.980 like i can't change it and then he does but it's like i have to be able to call it what it is and

00:49:11.340 like it's something a spirit in me that i can't change like please god take the spirit of bitterness

00:49:15.080 like remove it from me and then he does and i'm like i'm free again and i feel like this whole

00:49:19.100 our whole life so this like dance where you're like totally submitted to god and like i think

00:49:23.200 it's romans 12 1 through 2 it's like you're a living sacrifice at his feet and then all the

00:49:26.840 time since we're still living we get up and walk away yeah he's like come on back it's way better

00:49:30.400 are here and then you're like in this whole tension yeah but i would say i've forgiven them

00:49:34.540 and i'm like i hope that we can reconcile and i'm like excited for whenever that day will be

00:49:38.200 yeah i mean i guess i might happen yet has not happened yet and might not ever happen and that's

00:49:42.140 okay but like trusting that like god can ordain that if he wants and if he doesn't like he'll

00:49:46.360 still work in his powerful ways to do what's good amen are you optimistic about the future of women's

00:49:51.240 sports yeah i really am optimistic about the future women's sports i think that just speaking

00:49:56.800 and learning to speak because i even think i struggle with i i swam in this pool for 11 years

00:50:01.760 like i would be like i feel bad to say these things and it's like i was told in like group

00:50:06.700 think until like you can't talk like this because you're from this background or you're this skin

00:50:09.840 color and i'm like wait what and now i'm like slowly learning to articulate myself and use

00:50:13.520 words of like no that's not true this is what's true and i'm okay for you to be upset with me

00:50:17.420 and i think just being able to have that confidence to do that and asking like god reveal in me

00:50:20.800 the things i've agreed to that aren't biblical and like help me refine that so i can stand on

00:50:25.380 what's true yeah and so i would say like as i start to do that more like i know that it would

00:50:30.220 somebody said at that um gala courage is contagious yeah and the more you speak up the

00:50:35.380 more you speak truth the more like people will also be involved in to speak truth and that's

00:50:38.800 like the only way forward yeah amen we say that on the show a lot um okay final thing someone's

00:50:46.280 listening and they're like gosh i just want to support her like i just want to support her voice

00:50:49.560 i want her voice to be even louder is there a way that they can do that even if it's just through

00:50:53.700 prayer i would say prayer is for sure the most important and like i guess i guess follow along

00:51:00.420 and like see what happens and i'm not fully sure where that goes but it's like wherever god you

00:51:03.660 lead i want to follow and i would yeah just say mainly prayer and like and then i would even say

00:51:07.920 the best way to support is to like join like go to your city council meetings go to your school

00:51:11.660 board meetings like pay attention to like topics you care about and if you don't care don't go

00:51:14.860 but like if you care go and speak up and actually let help the policy move in a more positive

00:51:18.940 direction praise god well thank you so much elizabeth i really appreciate it yeah thank you

00:51:23.700 We'll be right back.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - April 03, 2026

Ep 1327 ｜ She Stood Up for Women’s Soccer. Her Team Called Her Racist ｜ Elizabeth Eddy

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