Ep 1329 ｜ Trump’s Threats, Paula White’s Heresy & Tucker’s Bad Take
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In this episode, Allie talks about the importance of sexual immorality in the Gospels and how it relates to women who claim to follow Jesus, yet have encounters with women who were caught in adultery or had sex with him.
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Paula White, Tucker Carlson, Franklin Graham, Donald Trump, they all had something to say
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about the Bible and Jesus and Easter and the world and history.
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I've got a response to all of it today, but we will also be looking at the faith of an
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astronaut and what space can actually teach us, not only about who we are, God's creation,
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We've got all of this and more on today's episode of Relatable.
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Hey, y'all. Welcome to Relatable. Happy Wednesday. Hope everyone has had a wonderful
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week so far. Obviously, we're a few days removed from Easter, but this is the first
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new monologue episode that I've done since Easter. So I hope everyone had a wonderful
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Resurrection Sunday. I hope it was peaceful. I hope it was filled with worship. I hope you
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got to celebrate with your family and make lasting memories. We certainly did. It was
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a wonderful weekend in the Stuckey home with church and Easter egg hunts and lots of good
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food and family and all of that good stuff. And I'm just so grateful for it. And I'm grateful
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to be back here with you. If you have not listened to Monday's episode, which is an interview with
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a woman named Brittany De La Mora, who was in the adult industry and then Christ radically saved
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her, transformed her life. She became a Christian, shares the gospel and shares her testimony with
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others or Wes Huff's interview that we did over the weekend. Gosh, you guys responded so well to
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that. You love Wes Huff for a very good reason. He is so good at giving evidence for the historicity
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One thing I want to note about the testimony that I shared on Monday with Brittany and
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then a past episode that we did with Ashley Sheets, there is some chatter online among
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one segment of people who profess to be Christians who really want to deride sharing testimonies
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of women who used to be promiscuous or used to be a prostitute as if it is trying to give
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cover to that kind of lifestyle or it's women trying to protect women. It's very weird. It's
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a very like woman hating crowd who always finds a reason to lambast women who have become Christians
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who have a kind of like imperfect, sexually immoral past. And I just want to say, first of
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all, we've had all kinds of people on this show share a wide variety of testimonies. We've had
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detransitioners. We've had men who have left homosexuality. We have people who were raised
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a Christian their entire life. We have people who have left cults. We have people who used to be
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intellectual atheists until their atheism ran up against the evidence for Christ and his crucifixion
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and resurrection. We have shared such a wide spectrum of testimonies on the show, and it's
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one of my favorite kinds of episodes that I do because I am edified by those stories, and you
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guys obviously love them so much and I'm so thankful to get to do it. But when I share this
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particular kind of testimony, which we don't very often do of a woman who was in a particular
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industry and was saved, we just get a lot of chatter and a lot of criticism about it. And I
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just think it's odd that these people who profess to follow Jesus, who had these very intentional
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interactions with women who were caught in adultery, like the woman who was caught in
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adultery and was almost stoned, like the woman that he met at the well, who had been married
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five different times, obviously sexually immoral, the woman of the night or the woman of the city
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who poured out her finest oil and perfume on his feet, whom Jesus complimented for her faith.
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These people claim to follow that Jesus, yet have such utter disdain for the women that he clearly attended to in Scripture.
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Now, Jesus praised them for faith when they had repented, called them to repentance himself, which is something that we should do.
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But clearly, the writers of the Gospels, who were inspired by the Holy Spirit to write these inerrant, infallible words, saw it fit to include these interactions with Jesus and these formerly promiscuous women.
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And I think that tells us something about the importance of this kind of testimony, the importance of highlighting it, but also the mercy that our Lord and Savior shows these kinds of women that we should emulate in our own lives.
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And if you are walking away from a testimony like the ones that we've shared on this show with, wow, they're really trying to make it seem like that sin is not that big of a deal.
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they're really trying to make people feel better about the sin of sexual immorality or promiscuity,
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then you've completely missed it. You are the older brother in the prodigal son story. You're
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missing it. You're missing the gospel. You're missing Jesus. There is no one, certainly on
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this show, trying to make light of any kind of sin, especially the kind of sin against one's
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own body. Sexual sin that hurts your heart, your mind, your soul, your body, and has repercussions
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for the rest of your life, even after you repent.
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reach women in those situations and urge them to stop
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and to tell you that's gonna lead you to darkness.
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You are looking for love in all of the wrong places.
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the fulfillment that you're looking for in Christ.
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and he has a good plan for you and he has good parameters for your body because he made your
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body and he loves you. That is the message. And it's also a message to people who have gone down
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that path to say, you're not too far gone. It's impossible to be too far gone. God's grace can
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reach you, can cleanse you. He can make you white as snow. That is what his sacrifice does by grace
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through faith. And if you don't believe that, like if you believe that there is some kind of
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immorality that can't be fully cleansed spiritually by christ then again you have missed it it's not
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the fault of podcasters it's not the fault of women it's not the fault of these women giving
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their testimonies if you have other criticisms about someone's particular testimony okay then
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that's fine but just to say in general that sharing the testimonies of women who used to
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be strippers or prostitutes or promiscuous in some way is wrong or is trying to make excuses for sin,
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you have missed the gospel and you don't understand it. And it's okay to just say that
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and wrestle with that, but don't take your anger and confusion out on other people. It's not pretty.
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All right. We got a lot to talk about today. We are going to talk about Paula White and what she
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said at the White House, I giggle, it's really not funny. It's just so ridiculous that sometimes
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it just makes you laugh, but in a sad way. And then also Trump's Eastern message, what Tucker
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Carlson has to say about that, but then also some really good things coming out of Artemis 2,
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for example. We've got Christians up circling the moon right now, sharing really good messages. So
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we've got some good news. And then of course, some things to critique from the White House
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paula white is trump's spiritual advisor she is the head of the faith initiative in the white
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house am i glad that there's a faith initiative in the white house yes i know some solid pastors
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who have gotten to visit with president trump have gotten to visit with paula white have been
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invited to the white house we have talked about the problems with paula white's theology on this
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show many times. I believe her to be heretical. And while I am sure she is accomplishing some
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really good things that I as a Christian can be thankful for, I know that she is really pressing
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the cause of religious liberty to President Trump. Again, she's invited some solid pastors
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around him who have hopefully shared messages of truth with him and with her. But I can say that
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and say, I'm grateful for that. God uses all different kinds of people and say that the
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messages that she preaches are heretical. They're just not true. It doesn't mean she's never said
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something true, but she often says things that are not true, that are anti-biblical, and I think we
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need to be able to hold those truths at the same time and call her out when she is wrong. So the
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White House hosted an Easter prayer lunch last Wednesday. Lots of faith leaders were in attendance,
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Franklin Graham, Bishop Barron, who spoke during the event, and Trump himself shared the story of
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Jesus's death and resurrection. Here's that. It's that one. On Good Friday, the Son of God
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was nailed to the cross, crucified, and he died. For all of us, it was a day of darkness, but
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it wasn't the end. By any means, it was not the end. On Easter Sunday, the stone was rolled away
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and the grave was empty. Christians everywhere rejoiced, and we continue to rejoice. Easter is
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one of the incredible days it was the miracle in all of history the resurrection of Jesus Christ
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it was one of the great it was the great miracle I guess okay I had no problem with that I think
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that would have been fine if that had been you know basically all that was said at this Easter
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gathering not controversial for Christians everything he said was true now we did see
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people saying that he was sharing the gospel and at least in that one clip maybe there was something
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else that he said during the speech, that's not the gospel. That's part of the gospel for sure.
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And that's wonderful that it is the central miracle in all of history. Yes and amen.
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However, he didn't talk about sin and repentance. And again, I'm not saying that he had to in that
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moment, but I think we need to be careful about what we call the gospel. Jesus loves you is not
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the gospel. Jesus died and rose again is not the gospel. In order to tell the good news of the
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gospel, it has to start with the bad news that we are separated from God because of our sin.
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And Jesus's death made a way for us to be reconciled to God through his sacrifice and for
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us to be made new by grace through faith because of his sacrificial death on behalf of us, on behalf
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of our sin, and because he died and rose again and defeated death on our behalf. And so all of
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those components about sin, the bad news, the separation, what Christ's death actually accomplished
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have to be there for us to say, okay, he was sharing the gospel. So that's my only point
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there. We just have to be careful of what we say the gospel actually is. But he said some true
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things, and I'm thankful for that, very thankful for that. And then we have Paula White Cain,
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who, again, she's kind of the head of this whole initiative. She gets up and she talks
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not just about Jesus, but also about Trump in comparison to Jesus.
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sought to. Mr. President, no one has paid the price like you have paid the price. It almost
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cost you your life. You were betrayed and arrested and falsely accused. It's a familiar
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pattern that our Lord and Savior showed us, but it didn't end there for him and it didn't end
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there for you. And I believe that the Lord said to tell you this, because of his victory,
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you will be victorious in all you put your hand to.
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I just don't like it. If that doesn't make you cringe, the comparison, the parallel to the Messiah,
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that I'm not sure what will, and especially that prosperity declaration at the end that you will
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be successful and all that you put your hand to. We don't have any guarantee of that. We certainly
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don't know that, but we have no promise of that in scripture. We've been given no promise of that
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by God himself. I hope that Trump is successful in the things that are righteous and good.
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I hope that God gives him the help to have wisdom, to have strength, to have moral resolve and moral
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clarity, to make good choices both here and abroad. Extremely hard job that I am so thankful
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that I will never have, that most of us will never have.
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The comparison to the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords,
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to Jesus Christ is just unnecessary and just not true.
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And there was a way, if you wanted to compliment Trump,
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I don't even think this was the time to compliment Trump.
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You're glad that he cares about religious freedom,
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He's maybe, you could say he's trying to do the right thing
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in alignment with the wisdom of the people around him. I think that's true without comparing him
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to Jesus. Let's just not do that. And let's not name it and claim it at the end, because that's
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not something that we have the right or the authority or the guidance to do. So that's one
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reason I have a problem with this. I also have a problem with this for the same reason that I have
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a problem with the He Gets Us campaign, is that Jesus's life, his death and resurrection is not
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about you it is for you it is for us yes and amen but it is not about us it is about him yes
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we serve a high priest who sympathizes with our weaknesses who in every way became like we are
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yet was without sin he condescended himself he took on flesh he suffered the way that we have
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suffered he was betrayed the way that we have been betrayed he felt so many of the things that
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we feel. He was tempted. He was tested. Like we have been tempted and tested. All of that is true.
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But if you read scripture, trying to insert yourself into every story to the point to where
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you have made yourself the central figure of the Bible or of history, you've gotten it wrong.
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Not only is that eisegesis, so you're reading a message into the text that is not there rather
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than pulling meaning out of the text that is there, but you have made yourself the star.
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you are not the star you are not the point jesus is the star he is the point the message that trump
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needs to hear is not one of flattery not one that says just like jesus is the spiritual messiah you
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are the physical messiah of this nation he might be accomplishing really good things and he might
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be a part of helping get western civilization back on the right track but he is not a messianic
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figure and i actually think that this inhibits trump from understanding the fullness of the
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gospel and his need for Jesus. Because the more anyone, not just Trump, is pumped up to basically
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be made to feel like you are the Savior, like you can do no wrong, and God has guaranteed you
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a successful outcome, the less you understand the bad news of the gospel that preludes the
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good news of the gospel. The bad news, of course, like we said, is that you're in need of a Savior.
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That's a bad news for everyone, is that you're a sinner in need of a Savior.
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So on Easter of all days, but every day, make the gospel about the gospel.
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Make the story of Easter about the story of Easter.
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Make Jesus's death and resurrection about Jesus's death and resurrection.
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Not as a parallel to Donald Trump and everything that he has accomplished.
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but it's not something that needs to be front and center and conflated with biblical truth
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on an Easter celebration. So I just had a really big problem with that. And I think it's really
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important to understand who Paula White is just a little bit more and really hope and pray that
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All right, just a couple things about Paula White. So I did an episode on Miss White Kane
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on episode 1137. And we just talked about some of her false teachings and why she is
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a prosperity gospel peddler. So on her website in 2024, it said something like this. It said this,
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are you ready to go to the next level in your finances? Are you ready to be able to do the
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next level ministry? Do you have next level dreams that require financial favor and acceleration?
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when we honor God with our first fruits, he will unlock the things for the remainder of the year.
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And in faith, 2025 will be a year of fruitfulness, blessing, and abundance. And then of course,
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the website then includes links to give your best first fruits offering, including a special bundle
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of first fruits books that will go to those who give gifts of $140 and $2,025. Okay. So this is
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the health and wealth, name it and claim it heresy that is pushed by people like Joel Osteen
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and many others, T.D. Jakes. We've heard Joyce Meyer also say similar things. And then Paula
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White is one of the biggest peddlers of this nonsense. There is absolutely no biblical basis
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for the idea that if you give a certain amount of money, that God is going to then return you
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with financial favor. That's not how he works. He's not a genie in a bottle. He doesn't owe you
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anything. And he never says, if you give this amount of money, your first fruits, then I will
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give back to you something in return. He may. And there is a blessing to being generous, but that
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blessing may be completely spiritual in this life. That blessing may just be the joy of obeying God
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when he's called you to give of yourself, he never guarantees you monetary success. He may choose to
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do that, but he does not owe you that. So it is a very small and wrong view of God and a big view
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of the self, which again, I think we saw in her sermonette when she was talking about Donald
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Trump. In episode 1162, I pointed out her Passover scam. She had this Passover scam to get $1,000
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from each of her followers. It was the same kind of messaging. So your first fruits,
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God will kind of give you this in return. So go back, watch those two episodes that I just
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referenced. We'll link them in the description of this episode. If you're like, I need more
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examples of how she's a false teacher. She said something, a sentiment that I've referenced
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before from a lot of people who call themselves evangelicals and dispensationalists. She said,
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according to the Jerusalem post, I do not want to convert Jews or send them to live in Israel
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for the rapture the plan for salvation for the jews is god's um yeah like i also agree we don't
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we shouldn't send jews to live in israel for the rapture but i do not want to convert jews um
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is troubling because christians want everyone to come to the knowledge of christ that's why we
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share the gospel and that is what jesus commanded of us uh before he left us he said go therefore
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and make disciples of all nations baptizing them in the name of the father the son and the holy
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spirit, and that includes the nation of Israel. She also has some ties to the New Apostolic
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Reformation, or NAR. She has called also for the angelic reinforcement from Africa and South
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America to intervene in what she calls the spiritual battle for the 2020 election, SOP 3.
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Strike and strike and strike and strike and strike and strike and strike and strike and
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strike until you have victory. For every enemy that is aligned against you, let there be that
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we would strike the ground for you will give us victory god i hear a sound of abundance of rain
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i hear a sound of victory i hear a sound of shouting and singing i hear a sound of victory
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angels have even been dispatched from africa right now
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okay um yeah so many so many things women one are not called to be pastors but of course there's a
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lot of men who are kooky and promote false teachings too um but i mean this is an example
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of why that is just because of the utter nonsense which that was um and also the pretending of the
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speaking in tongues. It's just, it's very performative. And again, this conflation of
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the narrative of redemption that we are all participating in and the success of a particular
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election, I just find that, I find that troubling. So look, I'm sure that there are good things that
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Paula White is doing. And I know why she is like the right-hand woman of President Trump. It's
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because she loves president trump and because she is definitely going to pump him up and i know that
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feels good and i think to him she probably does seem like a very wise sage and a good spiritual
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leader but i also think it's the responsibility of christians even those yes who through paula
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white have had access to the white house that they would not have otherwise had to speak up
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and to say, this is not right. This is heresy. We're making a mockery of the gospel. And we're
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actually demeaning Jesus by trying to draw this direct parallel to Donald Trump. And that's a
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really big deal. Even if she's on our political side, even if she's doing some of the things that
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we like, even if you keep getting really fun, awesome invitations to the White House, it is
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the responsibility of Christians to see past this moment, to allow our theology and our convictions
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to transcend our political alliances and to say, I'm sorry, but that's wrong. You don't have to be
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bombastic about it. You don't have to use clickbait. You don't have to be hateful, but you
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should out of love for Paula White, out of love for Donald Trump, love for the audience, love for
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people in this country, be able to say that is not true and that's not good. And if you believe
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that message, you are going to be bound by lies. If you believe in the prosperity gospel, just like
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if you believe in so-called progressive Christianity, you are going to be bound by lies.
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And the gospel is better than that. And Jesus is bigger than that. Okay. I think that's our
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responsibility as Christians. I actually don't think it takes a whole lot of bravery to be able
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to do that because we do still live in a free country. Now you might not get the invitation
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anymore. Like, you might not be able to go to the White House because they might see that as
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betrayal. And that's got to be okay. It's got to be okay. Our alliance and our citizenship,
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while politics, as you know, is really, really important, it's so much bigger than who is
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currently in the White House. And then we also, we have Franklin Graham, who, you know, we just
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talked about last week. He wrote this awesome letter to President Trump, and I said that he
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was being a really good friend to President Trump in sharing the gospel with him, truly
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the gospel, in a letter after Trump made some statement about not knowing if he's going
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And I do believe that Franklin Graham, Phil Robertson, so many people have shared the
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And here, Franklin Graham compares Trump to Esther, which I believe is much, much better
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Father, you tell us in the book of Esther that the Persians, the Iranians, were wanting to kill
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every Jew, woman, child, and do it all in one day. But you raised up Esther to save the Jewish
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people. Today, the Iranians, the wicked regime of this government wants to kill every Jew and
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destroy them with an atomic fire. But you have raised up President Trump. You've raised him up
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for such a time as this. Okay, so you could dispute some things that he's saying there.
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Certainly, if you were like, we shouldn't be using Astor or the Bible at all to justify this
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war with Iran. Maybe you don't think this war with Iran is justified. Some of what he said
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is true. Iran does have an evil regime, and the regime absolutely wants to kill all Jews. They
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also want to destroy the West and kill Christians, by the way. But again, you could think that Trump
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is not going about it the right way, and you could think it's gross to use the Bible to try
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to justify that. Theologically, this is not as much of a problem for me as Paula White's message.
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You could say that he's wrong, but I don't think that this is blasphemous. Now, Tucker Carlson
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had a big problem with this. He talked about, you know, Paula White, some things that I agree with,
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but he also has a very, very strange take on the book of Esther in his response to Franklin Graham.
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Here's how Tucker disputes what Franklin Graham said. Stop five.
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Franklin Graham, son of Billy Graham, shows up at the White House yesterday
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to pray over the president so he will have wisdom and restraint no
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to endorse the murder of civilians which is a war crime and it's in the book of ester which
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you should read because it's interesting it also happens to be maybe not coincidentally
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the only book in the christian bible old and new testaments that doesn't mention god
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There's no mention of God in the Book of Esther.
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Okay, so he talks about how the Book of Esther is actually about the slaughter of the Persian people,
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that that's something that is basically endorsed in the Book of Esther.
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He talks about how Martin Luther didn't want the Book of Esther in the biblical canon,
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but ultimately relented and included it in the 66 books.
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But there's some things that Tucker gets wrong there.
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So Esther actually tells a story of a thwarted plot to commit genocide against the Jewish
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Esther was a Jew living in Persia, chosen as King Ahasuerus.
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I'm really going to try to say that correctly, Ahasuerus, chosen as his new queen out of
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She's chosen as the most beautiful and delightful.
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And then she also learns of a plot to kill the Jews in the empire, engineered by a bad
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There is no, not that I can read, not that I can recall, no genocide of the 75,000 Persians
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in the book of Esther, as Tucker claims, throughout the Persian empire, the Jews successfully
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But this is an act, at least as we're told in the book of Esther in the infallible word
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of God, an act of self-defense against their attackers, not a genocide of the Persian people.
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The king issues an edict allowing the Jews to defend themselves if attacked.
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month, which is the month of Adar. That's Esther 8, 10 through 12. Now it is true. I will say that
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there are no explicit references to God in the book of Esther, which is really interesting,
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but it certainly refers to him implicitly. In its fourth chapter, Esther calls for all of the Jews
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to fast, presumably in supplication to God for the success of their mission. She says,
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go gather all the Jews to be found in Susa and hold a fast on my behalf and do not eat or drink
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for three days i think she's telling this to her uncle mordecai i and my young women will also fast
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as you do esther 4 16 also esther's uncle mordecai appeals to god's sovereignty when he asks her to
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intercede on the behalf of the jews saying for if you keep silent at this time relief and deliverance
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will rise for the jews from another place but you and your father's house will perish and who knows
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whether you have not come to the kingdom for such a time as this now a lot of commentators view
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view commentators view esther as an example to us of how god sovereignly works through people
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placed in government to accomplish his will and in this way esther is a testimony of how god's
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sovereignty is still at work behind the scenes even when things seem hopeless and it seems like
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this is the comparison that graham was making when he noted that trump may have been placed
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in government for such a time as this we know from daniel 2 that god sets up kings and he brings
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them down times and seasons are in his hand that god instituted government and does set up rulers
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and we hope that those rulers define good and evil how god defines good and evil and i think
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largely this administration does again whether or not you agree with their foreign policy i'm
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certainly glad to have an administration that for example knows what a woman is i am glad to have
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an administration that has someone like Pete Hedgeseth, who routinely talks about the sovereignty
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of God and appeals to God. You've got people like Margot Rubio, who seem to know the gospel
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extremely well. And so I'm thankful. I'm thankful for that. You can, again, go back and forth with
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Franklin Graham about whether or not the Iran war applies to this comparison to Esther.
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Tucker implies perhaps that Esther shouldn't be in the Bible.
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Franklin Graham is up there, standing at the podium, praying for that.
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Well, by quoting something called the Book of Esther,
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which is, in the Christian Old Testament, a controversial book for a long time.
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Martin Luther thought it shouldn't have been there, but it is there.
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And it's the story, among other things, of a genocide.
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It's true that Martin Luther was critical of the book of Esther.
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He said, I am so great an enemy to the second book of the Maccabees and to Esther that I
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wish they had not come to us at all, for they may have too many heathen unnaturalities.
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However, he was ultimately convinced, and this actually goes to show that it's not
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the Protestant Reformation that was first ignited by the 95 theses that were publicized
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or posted, if you will, by Martin Luther wasn't just about people wanting to tear apart the Bible
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and do things willy-nilly, but ultimately, convinced by history, convinced by logic,
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Martin Luther, with the help and the counsel of other scholars at the time, said, yes,
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this should go in the 66 books, including the book of James. It wasn't just about driving his own
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personal ideas or theology. Josephus, a Jewish historian writing in the first century AD,
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He notes that the Jews celebrated the festival of Purim
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showing it was widely accepted around the time of Christ.
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So that was one of the points that was considered
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More importantly, early church fathers like Jerome
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included Esther in their Old Testament candidate,
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Esther has been repeatedly affirmed in the biblical canon.
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in the 17th century, Esther was included in the Westminster Confession. So at this point,
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it's not really something that's debated. Now you can have your problems with whatever you would
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like in the Bible, but ultimately we defer to the inerrant word of God. And so lots going on
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in the White House, a lot of commentary about what's going on in the White House. I think the
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most important point is that we get the Bible right, that we get the gospel right, and that
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we focus on that and that Christians should focus on being as clear and accurate as possible when
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it comes to the reliability of the Word of God and the bad news that precedes the gospel and the
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good news that the gospel brings and what the resurrection actually represents. Really, really
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important. All right. I also need to respond to what Donald Trump said on Easter. So let me just
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read that before we get into our next ad, because it's so Donald Trump. It is so Donald Trump. And
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a lot of people wanted me to respond to this and had a hard time with what he said. Okay.
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So he said this on Easter Sunday. He said, Tuesday will be power plant day and bridge day
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all wrapped in one in Iran. There will be nothing like it. Open the effing straight,
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you crazy bastards, or you'll be living in hell. Just watch. Praise be to Allah. President Donald
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J. Trump. All right. So a lot of people were like, can you believe that President Trump said praise
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Allah on Easter? That's crazy. I mean, I immediately read that and I'm like, it's a
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troll. He's obviously trolling Iran. He's trolling Islam. Now, I'm not saying that you should think
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that that's great on Easter Sunday, but it's so Trump. And I'm just surprised at the amount of
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response and reaction and emotion that people have in response to Trump and response to some
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of the things that he says online. I'm not saying you should like it. I'm not saying we should
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excuse it or justify the things that you don't like, but also like this at this point, like you
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voted in 2024 knowing that he was going to be like this, right? Like we knew that we've known
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that since before 2016 that he's going to say stuff and he's going to do some awesome stuff
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and we should criticize him when he says wrong things and makes wrong decisions. And we should
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give him an attaboy when he does a good job on things. But the people who are like, okay,
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that's it. I'm done. This is the last straw. This is the last straw. He said worse things.
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He has said worse things than this over time. Okay. You don't have to like it,
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but this is who Trump is. He's going to say silly, ridiculous things on Christmas day,
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on Easter, whatever. He doesn't really have the same sense of decorum and propriety that you and
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I do. And you could say that you missed that. OK, well, we've just got a few more years. Trump is
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not going to be in office in 2028. But Tucker said this, which I thought was interesting. I thought
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this was an interesting takeaway and not something that I agree with. Plenty of things that you could
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have a hard time with when it comes to Trump's tweet. But Tucker says this, Sussex. And so the
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morning of Easter is a uniquely joyful and peaceful moment. And yet that peace yesterday was shattered.
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by a statement that the president of the United States
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put out at 8.03 a.m. Eastern time on Easter morning.
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So obviously you're mocking the religion of Iran.
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Okay, if you seek a religious war, that's a good idea.
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But by the way, no decent person mocks other people's religions.
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Presumably you do if it's not your religion, and you can explain what that is.
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But to mock other people's faith is to mock the idea of faith itself, and we should never mock that.
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Okay, so many things. First of all, this shattered Easter for millions of Christians
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around the world. I just have to say, if your celebration of the resurrection of Jesus Christ
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hangs on the truth social posts of Donald Trump, your priorities are so out of whack, okay? Like
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you've got bigger spiritual issues going on. I don't remember if I saw this post in the morning,
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if I saw it in the afternoon, I wasn't hanging out on social media in the morning.
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of Easter, you shouldn't have been either. And again, like if you were doing that, then you were
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already sucked into a dark place anyway. It wasn't a peaceful moment for you because you were
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scrolling X. And if it really was this like peaceful moment and this peaceful morning for
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you on the morning of Easter, then you weren't watching Fox News and you weren't on social media
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and you shouldn't have even known that Trump said this until later. And so your day shouldn't have
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been shattered. But if you did see it that morning, then you roll your eyes and you say,
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that's ridiculous. That's Donald Trump. He shouldn't have said that. And that's not really
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an appropriate thing to say, especially today. And you move on and you go to church with your
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family and you eat and you do the Easter egg hunt and you have a great day. Trump just doesn't have
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this kind of power in my life. He doesn't have the power to steal my joy. He doesn't have the
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power to steal my peace. He doesn't have the power to shatter my resurrection Sunday. And if he has
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that power in your life, I honestly think that you should ask why. And then the last thing he
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said I thought was interesting, that you shouldn't mock Islam because to mock a tenet of any religion
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is to mock religion itself or to mock faith itself. Well, that's ridiculous. Some things
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that people have faith in are wrong and laughable. And again, you could say that it's not the right
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way to win over Muslims. I am worried about winning over Muslims. That's something that
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I want to do as a Christian, but that's not something that Trump is interested in, okay?
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And he doesn't represent Christianity. He is not being an evangelist or an apologist in that moment.
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Like, he is doing what he does. He is talking tough so that he can threaten Iran and accomplish
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what he wants to accomplish. That might be what he thinks is going to do it, that kind of
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belittling language. Again, you can take issue with that. Just in principle, Tucker is wrong.
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Like if we look at Elijah and we look at how he was mocking Baal and the prophets of Baal,
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Has he gone to relieve himself and to point to the power of his own God?
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So in principle, it is just wrong to say that mocking a tenant of a false idolatrous religion
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Also, Tucker has mocked Christians in the past.
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And of course, he has spoken with absolute utter disdain toward what he calls Christian
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He's talked about dispensationalists in this way, people like Mike Huckabee.
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He apologized for it when he sat down with Mike Huckabee.
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Even John Quincy Adams said that Muhammad was driven by the fraudulent spirit of an
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imposter, writing that the essence of his doctrine was violence and lust.
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and you could say, well, that was a legitimate criticism and he was speaking seriously. Yes,
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I agree with you. I would much rather something like that from Trump, but I know who Trump is
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and Trump is not going to give us that. He's not going to give us a serious ideological
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and theological critique of Islam. It would be welcome. He's not going to do it. He's going to
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say something ridiculous like praise be to Allah. Now, I am much more offended by someone like
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Zoran Mamdani, while he gave his nice platitudes of celebrating Easter and talking about the
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resurrection, he said that Easter, you know, it's about new life and, you know, what they always do,
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new chances being reborn in some kind of vague way. Comparing the very real historical resurrection
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of the God-man to some kind of abstract general concept that can apply to anyone,
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no matter what you believe, that's actual blasphemy. Like, that is the one true religion
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that you are belittling and that you are watering down so that everyone can agree with it.
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That's not what the resurrection is. It's not a metaphor. It's not an allegory. It's a real
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historical fact that God made flesh, rose again, and defeated death. And if you say that, that's
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going to be very controversial. That's going to hurt a lot of people's feelings because of the
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implication that it has on your life and the demand that it has to die to self. It is much more,
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much more of an offensive message than what Trump said about Allah, honestly.
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slash Allie. Okay, so Trump has a deadline for Iran that ends at 7pm Central Time on April 7th,
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2026. There may be some developments on this after filming this episode. And Trump said on
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Tuesday, so deadline for basically, you know, surrendering. Trump said on Truth Social,
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a whole civilization will die tonight. He said that today. A whole civilization will die tonight,
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never to be brought back again. I don't want that to happen, but it probably will. However,
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now that we have complete and total regime change we're different smarter and less radicalized
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minds prevail maybe something revolutionarily wonderful can happen who knows he says in all
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caps we will find out tonight one of the most important moments in the long and complex history
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of the world 47 years of extortion corruption and death will finally end god bless the great people
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of iran russell moore responds to that by saying that one can excuse or ignore this while claiming
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to be pro-life as a sign of a seared conscience. God have mercy on us all. So do I want a whole
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civilization to die? Absolutely not. Do I want any civilian to ever die in any war? Absolutely not.
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I don't read this as Trump cheering this on. I see him stating it as a fact, and I'm not saying
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it's a good fact. I'm not saying it's a fact that we should support, but he does even say in there
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that's not something I want to happen. I also think it's massive hyperbole. I think it's how
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Trump talks. You can not like how Trump talks. You can think it's counterproductive. You can
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think it makes our job harder to try to excuse or justify or figure out the things that he
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says. And you don't have to do that. You can just say, I think it was wrong to say that,
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or I really hope that doesn't happen. I think all Christians have to pray for good to conquer evil
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and for peace to ultimately and miraculously prevail, for him to preserve life, but also
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that our leaders would make good decisions, that they would have the restraint that's
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necessary, and that they would know, though, when force has to be used to conquer something
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And I don't claim to know all of the answers to those questions, and I think we have to
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And again, I'm just not too worried about Trump's posts.
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That's the truth of it. I don't have to like them, but I'm used to them by now. You can say that's a
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bad thing if you want to, but honestly, it is what it is. Trump is who he is. I got other things to
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be really incensed about, policies that are really affecting the lives of people. I got actually
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bigger things to disagree with Trump about, like IVF and abortion. Generally, we agree on abortion,
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but when it gets down to the policy and nitty gritty, he is not where I am. I really want his
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FDA to reverse the Biden era regulation saying that abortion pills can be delivered by mail.
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That's killing thousands and thousands and thousands of image bearers every day. I don't
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want to subsidize IVF, which kills thousands and thousands of image bearers every day. Okay.
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So like, until I see someone like Russell Moore speak up about those things that are killing
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image bearers of god right now and not just the hyperbolic trump tweet it's hard for me
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russell moore someone who has tickled the left and punched right and has basically coddled people
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blatantly pro-abortion people like biden and kamala harris while going so hard after trump
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i'm not interested in what you think about the pro-life cause because like you are not on the
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side of people who actually want to limit abortion. So you're not really the one, Russell Moore. You're
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not the one to talk about if you're truly pro-life. You're not truly pro-life. So I don't care about
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what your definition of pro-life is. But if you want to link arms with me, Russell Moore, and call
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out the Trump administration about some of the actual policies that they are implementing and
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putting forth or refusing to roll back that are actually hurting image bearers, then I'm interested
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in that, then we can discuss that. Until then, I don't care about what you think about what is
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truly pro-life and what's not. All right. I want to end on a positive note. I want to end on what
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is happening in space right now. Now, space is not typically something that I talk about very
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much on this show because it's just not something that comes up very often. But right now, we've got
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a Bible-believing Christian in space talking about the gospel basically from the moon. And that seems
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like a really big deal. On April 1st, Artemis II successfully launched with four astronauts on a
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mission to fly by the moon. And y'all, I was so honored. Yes. Okay. We can play it. We've got the
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video. It's a silent video if you're listening to this. So this is Artemis II. And y'all, I was
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very honored. I was invited to go to the launch of this and I just wasn't able to, but I saw Glenn
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Beck there, Michael Knowles there. Their footage was just incredible. It actually seemed like a
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very emotional crazy moment just that our science and technology and innovation and work ethic and
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diligence were able to accomplish something like this so so amazing so far outside of the realm
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of things that i understand but i love how god has gifted people so uniquely um at 1 57 p.m eastern
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time on april 6th the crew members broke the record of 248 655 miles from earth set by the
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Apollo 13 astronauts in April 1970. The astronauts of Artemis II have now gone further, farther from
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the Earth than anyone in history. Later in the day, they reached their maximum distance from Earth
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that was estimated 252,756 miles. That is crazy. Okay, we have someone named Victor Glover. Victor
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Glover is a U.S. Naval captain. He's one of the astronauts on Artemis II. He has been vocal about
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his faith, not only during the mission, but throughout his career. Previously, a reporter
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attempted to bait one of the astronauts into a racial diversity response during a press conference,
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and it led to this unifying moment, which I thought was really cool, Satin.
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I live in this dichotomy between happiness that a young woman can look at Christina and just
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physicalize her passion or her interests, or even if it's not something she wants to do,
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she can just be like girl power, and that's awesome. And that young brown boys and girls
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can look at me and go hey he looks like me and he's doing what and that's great i love that but
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i also hope we are pushing the other direction that one day we don't have to talk about these
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first that one day this is just and i listen to this that this is the human history it's about
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human history it's the story of humanity not black history not women's history but that it
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becomes human history okay i love that i thought that that was such a good nuanced and true answer
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In 2020, Glover, leading up to his stay on the International Space Station, stated that he'd be bringing communion cups and a Bible for his stay, which is awesome.
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In 2023, Glover made headlines for saying that there are no atheists in rocket ships at 11.
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And not, you know, anytime I do something that's pretty risky.
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definitely when you go sit on top of a rocket ship in in in the military there's a saying that
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there are no atheists in foxholes there aren't any on top of rockets either i would think you know
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i saw this post um a reddit post of course and it was uh these atheists on reddit complaining
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about how these astronauts not just victor have been talking about god and how can we have come
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so far technologically and how can we have the best of the best scientists circling the moon and
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still talking about religion i'm like oh you are so close that maybe the people that see the
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intricacies and the vastness of creation are most convicted that this didn't all happen by chance
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and in fact it just takes so much more faith to believe that to be looking at earth and our
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ecosystem from space and to believe that that just happened that all of this came from nothing that
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is a fantastical religious belief it takes actually far less faith to say maybe there's an
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entity that's bigger than me whose intelligence transcends mind uh mine that i'm finite and he
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is infinite and he created this in a way that i can't understand like that takes a lot less faith
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than the atheist belief. Victor has more to say, and I love what he is sharing. I love that God
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has given him the platform to tell people, especially skeptics like that, about the truth
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He also, he has a beautiful family. People have been circulating pictures of his family
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and he was asked what he's going to take on his Artemis II mission. He said that he's going to
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take his Bible and his family's photo. Oh my goodness. So sweet. He just seems like such a
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solid guy, solid father and husband. Um, he said that he was, uh, during this mission, of course,
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they're able to do interviews from space. And he said he was struck by seeing earth
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just before Easter Sunday, set 12. As we are so far from earth and looking back at, you know,
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the beauty of creation i think the for me one of the really important personal perspectives that i
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have up here is i can really see earth as one thing and you know when i read the bible and i
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look at all of the amazing things that were done for us who were created it's you you have this
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amazing place this spaceship you guys are talking to us because we're in a spaceship really far from
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earth but you're on a spaceship called earth that was created to give us a place to live in the
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universe and the cosmos. Yeah, I love that. Created, created, created. And we shouldn't
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take that for granted. That's, of course, how we as Christians talk, but a lot of the world doesn't
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talk like that. They don't think about it being a creation. They think about it just being a thing
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that through a big bang just happened, that it came from nothing. And so I'm just so thankful
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for his gratitude and his awe there. And then he also talks about aspects of the gospel. Slot 9.
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Christ said, in response to what was the greatest command, that it was to love God with all that you are.
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And he also, being a great teacher, said the second is equal to it, and that is to love your neighbor as yourself.
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And so, as we prepare to go out of radio communication, we're still going to feel your love from earth.
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and to all of you down there on earth and around earth, we love you from the moon.
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That is part of the gospel, of course, that we are to love God and to love other people.
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And that is a very important aspect of the gospel message.
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NASA posted this photo on April 6th, and it is the first photo from the far side of the moon.
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I can't hear that phrase, far side of the moon, without thinking dark side of the moon
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I don't know if it's just being a 90s girl and Disney lyrics are still stuck in my head,
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I mean, just how science is always catching up with God and can actually lead us, whether
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it's the intricacies of our DNA or an atom or how Earth looks from space.
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and the multitude of the stars and how everything works together in perfect harmony, everything
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speaks to the handiwork of God, the majesty, the power of God, and it should just humble
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And really, this goes all the way back to the wrong telling of the gospel that we talked
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The wrong telling of the gospel, the wrong telling of what God offers us in Christ from
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people like Paula White and health and prosperity preachers makes us really big. It makes us the
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center of the universe. It makes history about us. But I think we're reminded as we go into space
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and we see how small and insignificant we are and how incredible it is that God would love us,
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that God would become flesh to save you and me. That should make us feel so small, but at the
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same time so loved. And that kind of mentality can just rightly orient us, not only in our
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relationship with God, which is most important, but also our relationship with other people and
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our relationship with creation. So I'm so thankful for the perspective that we get,
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not only from these pictures, but also from this astronaut. And gosh, I am so thankful for the
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gospel and everything that Easter truly does represent. God is really, really good that he
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continually points us to himself and what is good, right, and true. All right, that's all we've got
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time for today. We will be back here on Friday.