Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1329 ｜ Trump’s Threats, Paula White’s Heresy & Tucker’s Bad Take

00:00:00.920 Paula White, Tucker Carlson, Franklin Graham, Donald Trump, they all had something to say

00:00:06.720 about the Bible and Jesus and Easter and the world and history.

00:00:11.460 I've got a response to all of it today, but we will also be looking at the faith of an

00:00:17.500 astronaut and what space can actually teach us, not only about who we are, God's creation,

00:00:22.880 but also about the gospel.

00:00:24.800 We've got all of this and more on today's episode of Relatable.

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00:00:43.160 Hey, y'all. Welcome to Relatable. Happy Wednesday. Hope everyone has had a wonderful

00:00:47.300 week so far. Obviously, we're a few days removed from Easter, but this is the first

00:00:52.160 new monologue episode that I've done since Easter. So I hope everyone had a wonderful

00:00:56.760 Resurrection Sunday. I hope it was peaceful. I hope it was filled with worship. I hope you

00:01:01.460 got to celebrate with your family and make lasting memories. We certainly did. It was

00:01:05.860 a wonderful weekend in the Stuckey home with church and Easter egg hunts and lots of good

00:01:11.760 food and family and all of that good stuff. And I'm just so grateful for it. And I'm grateful

00:01:16.560 to be back here with you. If you have not listened to Monday's episode, which is an interview with

00:01:22.940 a woman named Brittany De La Mora, who was in the adult industry and then Christ radically saved

00:01:28.180 her, transformed her life. She became a Christian, shares the gospel and shares her testimony with

00:01:33.800 others or Wes Huff's interview that we did over the weekend. Gosh, you guys responded so well to

00:01:39.020 that. You love Wes Huff for a very good reason. He is so good at giving evidence for the historicity

00:01:44.320 of Jesus and his life and scripture.

00:01:46.940 One thing I want to note about the testimony that I shared on Monday with Brittany and

00:01:52.240 then a past episode that we did with Ashley Sheets, there is some chatter online among

00:01:58.580 one segment of people who profess to be Christians who really want to deride sharing testimonies

00:02:04.940 of women who used to be promiscuous or used to be a prostitute as if it is trying to give

00:02:12.320 cover to that kind of lifestyle or it's women trying to protect women. It's very weird. It's

00:02:18.640 a very like woman hating crowd who always finds a reason to lambast women who have become Christians 0.96

00:02:24.940 who have a kind of like imperfect, sexually immoral past. And I just want to say, first of 0.72

00:02:30.740 all, we've had all kinds of people on this show share a wide variety of testimonies. We've had

00:02:35.940 detransitioners. We've had men who have left homosexuality. We have people who were raised 0.99

00:02:41.060 a Christian their entire life. We have people who have left cults. We have people who used to be

00:02:45.880 intellectual atheists until their atheism ran up against the evidence for Christ and his crucifixion

00:02:53.420 and resurrection. We have shared such a wide spectrum of testimonies on the show, and it's

00:02:59.000 one of my favorite kinds of episodes that I do because I am edified by those stories, and you

00:03:05.240 guys obviously love them so much and I'm so thankful to get to do it. But when I share this

00:03:10.620 particular kind of testimony, which we don't very often do of a woman who was in a particular

00:03:16.240 industry and was saved, we just get a lot of chatter and a lot of criticism about it. And I

00:03:22.940 just think it's odd that these people who profess to follow Jesus, who had these very intentional

00:03:29.700 interactions with women who were caught in adultery, like the woman who was caught in

00:03:34.960 adultery and was almost stoned, like the woman that he met at the well, who had been married

00:03:41.080 five different times, obviously sexually immoral, the woman of the night or the woman of the city

00:03:47.160 who poured out her finest oil and perfume on his feet, whom Jesus complimented for her faith.

00:03:55.240 These people claim to follow that Jesus, yet have such utter disdain for the women that he clearly attended to in Scripture.

00:04:04.600 Now, Jesus praised them for faith when they had repented, called them to repentance himself, which is something that we should do.

00:04:12.440 But clearly, the writers of the Gospels, who were inspired by the Holy Spirit to write these inerrant, infallible words, saw it fit to include these interactions with Jesus and these formerly promiscuous women.

00:04:30.760 And I think that tells us something about the importance of this kind of testimony, the importance of highlighting it, but also the mercy that our Lord and Savior shows these kinds of women that we should emulate in our own lives.

00:04:44.160 And if you are walking away from a testimony like the ones that we've shared on this show with, wow, they're really trying to make it seem like that sin is not that big of a deal.

00:04:54.640 they're really trying to make people feel better about the sin of sexual immorality or promiscuity,

00:05:00.740 then you've completely missed it. You are the older brother in the prodigal son story. You're

00:05:05.780 missing it. You're missing the gospel. You're missing Jesus. There is no one, certainly on

00:05:11.680 this show, trying to make light of any kind of sin, especially the kind of sin against one's

00:05:16.440 own body. Sexual sin that hurts your heart, your mind, your soul, your body, and has repercussions

00:05:24.140 for the rest of your life, even after you repent. 0.96

00:05:27.340 If anything, we hope that these messages 0.98

00:05:29.880 reach women in those situations and urge them to stop 1.00

00:05:33.360 before they sell their bodies, 0.90

00:05:35.200 before they're treated like objects,

00:05:36.720 before they go into promiscuity

00:05:38.720 and to tell you that's gonna lead you to darkness.

00:05:41.400 That is going to hurt you.

00:05:43.280 You are looking for love in all of the wrong places.

00:05:46.240 There's a better way.

00:05:47.940 You can find love and satisfaction,

00:05:50.360 the fulfillment that you're looking for in Christ.

00:05:52.820 and he has a good plan for you and he has good parameters for your body because he made your

00:05:58.520 body and he loves you. That is the message. And it's also a message to people who have gone down

00:06:04.160 that path to say, you're not too far gone. It's impossible to be too far gone. God's grace can

00:06:10.700 reach you, can cleanse you. He can make you white as snow. That is what his sacrifice does by grace

00:06:17.680 through faith. And if you don't believe that, like if you believe that there is some kind of

00:06:21.400 immorality that can't be fully cleansed spiritually by christ then again you have missed it it's not 0.60

00:06:29.300 the fault of podcasters it's not the fault of women it's not the fault of these women giving

00:06:34.140 their testimonies if you have other criticisms about someone's particular testimony okay then

00:06:39.700 that's fine but just to say in general that sharing the testimonies of women who used to

00:06:44.680 be strippers or prostitutes or promiscuous in some way is wrong or is trying to make excuses for sin,

00:06:53.320 you have missed the gospel and you don't understand it. And it's okay to just say that 0.95

00:06:58.440 and wrestle with that, but don't take your anger and confusion out on other people. It's not pretty.

00:07:04.600 All right. We got a lot to talk about today. We are going to talk about Paula White and what she

00:07:09.700 said at the White House, I giggle, it's really not funny. It's just so ridiculous that sometimes 0.96

00:07:16.520 it just makes you laugh, but in a sad way. And then also Trump's Eastern message, what Tucker 0.98

00:07:22.500 Carlson has to say about that, but then also some really good things coming out of Artemis 2,

00:07:28.000 for example. We've got Christians up circling the moon right now, sharing really good messages. So

00:07:33.800 we've got some good news. And then of course, some things to critique from the White House

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00:08:51.620 paula white is trump's spiritual advisor she is the head of the faith initiative in the white

00:09:04.400 house am i glad that there's a faith initiative in the white house yes i know some solid pastors

00:09:09.720 who have gotten to visit with president trump have gotten to visit with paula white have been

00:09:13.820 invited to the white house we have talked about the problems with paula white's theology on this

00:09:18.720 show many times. I believe her to be heretical. And while I am sure she is accomplishing some

00:09:24.480 really good things that I as a Christian can be thankful for, I know that she is really pressing

00:09:28.500 the cause of religious liberty to President Trump. Again, she's invited some solid pastors

00:09:33.160 around him who have hopefully shared messages of truth with him and with her. But I can say that

00:09:39.400 and say, I'm grateful for that. God uses all different kinds of people and say that the

00:09:43.880 messages that she preaches are heretical. They're just not true. It doesn't mean she's never said

00:09:49.460 something true, but she often says things that are not true, that are anti-biblical, and I think we

00:09:55.140 need to be able to hold those truths at the same time and call her out when she is wrong. So the

00:09:59.380 White House hosted an Easter prayer lunch last Wednesday. Lots of faith leaders were in attendance,

00:10:04.420 Franklin Graham, Bishop Barron, who spoke during the event, and Trump himself shared the story of

00:10:11.760 Jesus's death and resurrection. Here's that. It's that one. On Good Friday, the Son of God

00:10:17.580 was nailed to the cross, crucified, and he died. For all of us, it was a day of darkness, but

00:10:25.200 it wasn't the end. By any means, it was not the end. On Easter Sunday, the stone was rolled away

00:10:33.360 and the grave was empty. Christians everywhere rejoiced, and we continue to rejoice. Easter is

00:10:40.000 one of the incredible days it was the miracle in all of history the resurrection of Jesus Christ

00:10:47.480 it was one of the great it was the great miracle I guess okay I had no problem with that I think

00:10:55.440 that would have been fine if that had been you know basically all that was said at this Easter

00:11:00.100 gathering not controversial for Christians everything he said was true now we did see

00:11:04.200 people saying that he was sharing the gospel and at least in that one clip maybe there was something

00:11:08.020 else that he said during the speech, that's not the gospel. That's part of the gospel for sure.

00:11:13.740 And that's wonderful that it is the central miracle in all of history. Yes and amen.

00:11:20.440 However, he didn't talk about sin and repentance. And again, I'm not saying that he had to in that

00:11:27.000 moment, but I think we need to be careful about what we call the gospel. Jesus loves you is not

00:11:31.200 the gospel. Jesus died and rose again is not the gospel. In order to tell the good news of the

00:11:38.300 gospel, it has to start with the bad news that we are separated from God because of our sin.

00:11:43.660 And Jesus's death made a way for us to be reconciled to God through his sacrifice and for

00:11:49.580 us to be made new by grace through faith because of his sacrificial death on behalf of us, on behalf

00:11:55.500 of our sin, and because he died and rose again and defeated death on our behalf. And so all of

00:12:00.860 those components about sin, the bad news, the separation, what Christ's death actually accomplished

00:12:05.860 have to be there for us to say, okay, he was sharing the gospel. So that's my only point

00:12:09.720 there. We just have to be careful of what we say the gospel actually is. But he said some true

00:12:14.440 things, and I'm thankful for that, very thankful for that. And then we have Paula White Cain,

00:12:19.380 who, again, she's kind of the head of this whole initiative. She gets up and she talks

00:12:24.480 not just about Jesus, but also about Trump in comparison to Jesus.

00:12:28.820 sought to. Mr. President, no one has paid the price like you have paid the price. It almost

00:12:35.640 cost you your life. You were betrayed and arrested and falsely accused. It's a familiar

00:12:46.420 pattern that our Lord and Savior showed us, but it didn't end there for him and it didn't end

00:12:53.420 there for you. And I believe that the Lord said to tell you this, because of his victory,

00:12:59.600 you will be victorious in all you put your hand to.

00:13:06.720 I just don't like it. If that doesn't make you cringe, the comparison, the parallel to the Messiah,

00:13:16.920 that I'm not sure what will, and especially that prosperity declaration at the end that you will

00:13:22.060 be successful and all that you put your hand to. We don't have any guarantee of that. We certainly

00:13:26.440 don't know that, but we have no promise of that in scripture. We've been given no promise of that

00:13:31.600 by God himself. I hope that Trump is successful in the things that are righteous and good.

00:13:36.920 I hope that God gives him the help to have wisdom, to have strength, to have moral resolve and moral

00:13:42.800 clarity, to make good choices both here and abroad. Extremely hard job that I am so thankful

00:13:48.540 that I will never have, that most of us will never have.

00:13:51.720 And I can absolutely appreciate that.

00:13:53.780 The comparison to the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords,

00:13:56.800 to Jesus Christ is just unnecessary and just not true.

00:14:02.400 And there was a way, if you wanted to compliment Trump,

00:14:05.260 I don't even think this was the time to compliment Trump.

00:14:07.680 You could have done that.

00:14:08.800 You appreciate that he's hosting this.

00:14:10.980 You're glad that he cares about religious freedom,

00:14:13.180 which I think is true.

00:14:14.720 He's maybe, you could say he's trying to do the right thing

00:14:17.300 in alignment with the wisdom of the people around him. I think that's true without comparing him

00:14:22.080 to Jesus. Let's just not do that. And let's not name it and claim it at the end, because that's

00:14:27.100 not something that we have the right or the authority or the guidance to do. So that's one

00:14:33.320 reason I have a problem with this. I also have a problem with this for the same reason that I have

00:14:37.560 a problem with the He Gets Us campaign, is that Jesus's life, his death and resurrection is not

00:14:43.940 about you it is for you it is for us yes and amen but it is not about us it is about him yes

00:14:52.600 we serve a high priest who sympathizes with our weaknesses who in every way became like we are

00:14:59.460 yet was without sin he condescended himself he took on flesh he suffered the way that we have

00:15:04.280 suffered he was betrayed the way that we have been betrayed he felt so many of the things that

00:15:08.960 we feel. He was tempted. He was tested. Like we have been tempted and tested. All of that is true.

00:15:14.640 But if you read scripture, trying to insert yourself into every story to the point to where

00:15:20.360 you have made yourself the central figure of the Bible or of history, you've gotten it wrong.

00:15:26.840 Not only is that eisegesis, so you're reading a message into the text that is not there rather

00:15:31.320 than pulling meaning out of the text that is there, but you have made yourself the star.

00:15:36.480 you are not the star you are not the point jesus is the star he is the point the message that trump

00:15:42.420 needs to hear is not one of flattery not one that says just like jesus is the spiritual messiah you

00:15:48.420 are the physical messiah of this nation he might be accomplishing really good things and he might

00:15:54.160 be a part of helping get western civilization back on the right track but he is not a messianic

00:15:59.780 figure and i actually think that this inhibits trump from understanding the fullness of the

00:16:05.380 gospel and his need for Jesus. Because the more anyone, not just Trump, is pumped up to basically

00:16:11.940 be made to feel like you are the Savior, like you can do no wrong, and God has guaranteed you

00:16:19.120 a successful outcome, the less you understand the bad news of the gospel that preludes the

00:16:27.400 good news of the gospel. The bad news, of course, like we said, is that you're in need of a Savior.

00:16:32.640 That's a bad news for everyone, is that you're a sinner in need of a Savior.

00:16:37.180 So on Easter of all days, but every day, make the gospel about the gospel.

00:16:42.140 Make the story of Easter about the story of Easter.

00:16:45.020 Make Jesus's death and resurrection about Jesus's death and resurrection.

00:16:50.600 Not as a parallel to Donald Trump and everything that he has accomplished.

00:16:55.840 That's a separate conversation.

00:16:57.460 That's a legit conversation.

00:16:58.900 but it's not something that needs to be front and center and conflated with biblical truth

00:17:06.740 on an Easter celebration. So I just had a really big problem with that. And I think it's really

00:17:13.100 important to understand who Paula White is just a little bit more and really hope and pray that

00:17:21.300 there is better leadership when it comes to the spiritual guidance and the spiritual initiatives

00:17:27.320 that Trump is surrounded by.

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00:19:38.380 All right, just a couple things about Paula White. So I did an episode on Miss White Kane

00:19:46.140 on episode 1137. And we just talked about some of her false teachings and why she is 0.68

00:19:55.920 a prosperity gospel peddler. So on her website in 2024, it said something like this. It said this,

00:20:03.440 are you ready to go to the next level in your finances? Are you ready to be able to do the

00:20:08.680 next level ministry? Do you have next level dreams that require financial favor and acceleration?

00:20:14.260 when we honor God with our first fruits, he will unlock the things for the remainder of the year.

00:20:19.600 And in faith, 2025 will be a year of fruitfulness, blessing, and abundance. And then of course,

00:20:26.400 the website then includes links to give your best first fruits offering, including a special bundle

00:20:31.700 of first fruits books that will go to those who give gifts of $140 and $2,025. Okay. So this is

00:20:40.280 the health and wealth, name it and claim it heresy that is pushed by people like Joel Osteen

00:20:46.620 and many others, T.D. Jakes. We've heard Joyce Meyer also say similar things. And then Paula

00:20:54.940 White is one of the biggest peddlers of this nonsense. There is absolutely no biblical basis 0.96

00:21:01.940 for the idea that if you give a certain amount of money, that God is going to then return you

00:21:08.760 with financial favor. That's not how he works. He's not a genie in a bottle. He doesn't owe you

00:21:15.480 anything. And he never says, if you give this amount of money, your first fruits, then I will

00:21:22.560 give back to you something in return. He may. And there is a blessing to being generous, but that

00:21:28.320 blessing may be completely spiritual in this life. That blessing may just be the joy of obeying God

00:21:34.880 when he's called you to give of yourself, he never guarantees you monetary success. He may choose to

00:21:41.540 do that, but he does not owe you that. So it is a very small and wrong view of God and a big view

00:21:47.640 of the self, which again, I think we saw in her sermonette when she was talking about Donald

00:21:53.780 Trump. In episode 1162, I pointed out her Passover scam. She had this Passover scam to get $1,000 0.52

00:22:01.800 from each of her followers. It was the same kind of messaging. So your first fruits,

00:22:06.940 God will kind of give you this in return. So go back, watch those two episodes that I just

00:22:11.240 referenced. We'll link them in the description of this episode. If you're like, I need more

00:22:14.860 examples of how she's a false teacher. She said something, a sentiment that I've referenced

00:22:19.580 before from a lot of people who call themselves evangelicals and dispensationalists. She said,

00:22:24.760 according to the Jerusalem post, I do not want to convert Jews or send them to live in Israel 0.67

00:22:29.740 for the rapture the plan for salvation for the jews is god's um yeah like i also agree we don't 0.91

00:22:36.420 we shouldn't send jews to live in israel for the rapture but i do not want to convert jews um

00:22:42.320 is troubling because christians want everyone to come to the knowledge of christ that's why we

00:22:46.640 share the gospel and that is what jesus commanded of us uh before he left us he said go therefore

00:22:53.320 and make disciples of all nations baptizing them in the name of the father the son and the holy

00:22:58.680 spirit, and that includes the nation of Israel. She also has some ties to the New Apostolic

00:23:05.180 Reformation, or NAR. She has called also for the angelic reinforcement from Africa and South

00:23:11.560 America to intervene in what she calls the spiritual battle for the 2020 election, SOP 3.

00:23:17.520 Strike and strike and strike and strike and strike and strike and strike and strike and

00:23:22.260 strike until you have victory. For every enemy that is aligned against you, let there be that

00:23:28.400 we would strike the ground for you will give us victory god i hear a sound of abundance of rain

00:23:33.600 i hear a sound of victory i hear a sound of shouting and singing i hear a sound of victory

00:23:39.880 angels are being dispatched right now

00:23:41.940 angels have even been dispatched from africa right now

00:23:54.160 okay um yeah so many so many things women one are not called to be pastors but of course there's a

00:24:03.220 lot of men who are kooky and promote false teachings too um but i mean this is an example

00:24:10.900 of why that is just because of the utter nonsense which that was um and also the pretending of the

00:24:19.620 speaking in tongues. It's just, it's very performative. And again, this conflation of

00:24:26.300 the narrative of redemption that we are all participating in and the success of a particular

00:24:33.560 election, I just find that, I find that troubling. So look, I'm sure that there are good things that

00:24:40.040 Paula White is doing. And I know why she is like the right-hand woman of President Trump. It's

00:24:47.200 because she loves president trump and because she is definitely going to pump him up and i know that

00:24:53.200 feels good and i think to him she probably does seem like a very wise sage and a good spiritual

00:25:00.520 leader but i also think it's the responsibility of christians even those yes who through paula

00:25:06.060 white have had access to the white house that they would not have otherwise had to speak up

00:25:12.160 and to say, this is not right. This is heresy. We're making a mockery of the gospel. And we're

00:25:18.060 actually demeaning Jesus by trying to draw this direct parallel to Donald Trump. And that's a

00:25:25.440 really big deal. Even if she's on our political side, even if she's doing some of the things that 0.98

00:25:31.020 we like, even if you keep getting really fun, awesome invitations to the White House, it is

00:25:36.900 the responsibility of Christians to see past this moment, to allow our theology and our convictions

00:25:42.620 to transcend our political alliances and to say, I'm sorry, but that's wrong. You don't have to be

00:25:48.820 bombastic about it. You don't have to use clickbait. You don't have to be hateful, but you

00:25:52.920 should out of love for Paula White, out of love for Donald Trump, love for the audience, love for

00:25:59.320 people in this country, be able to say that is not true and that's not good. And if you believe

00:26:04.560 that message, you are going to be bound by lies. If you believe in the prosperity gospel, just like

00:26:10.560 if you believe in so-called progressive Christianity, you are going to be bound by lies.

00:26:14.820 And the gospel is better than that. And Jesus is bigger than that. Okay. I think that's our

00:26:18.780 responsibility as Christians. I actually don't think it takes a whole lot of bravery to be able

00:26:23.760 to do that because we do still live in a free country. Now you might not get the invitation

00:26:28.580 anymore. Like, you might not be able to go to the White House because they might see that as

00:26:36.360 betrayal. And that's got to be okay. It's got to be okay. Our alliance and our citizenship,

00:26:43.300 while politics, as you know, is really, really important, it's so much bigger than who is

00:26:48.180 currently in the White House. And then we also, we have Franklin Graham, who, you know, we just

00:26:54.640 talked about last week. He wrote this awesome letter to President Trump, and I said that he

00:26:58.320 was being a really good friend to President Trump in sharing the gospel with him, truly

00:27:04.860 the gospel, in a letter after Trump made some statement about not knowing if he's going

00:27:09.440 to go to heaven.

00:27:10.600 And I do believe that Franklin Graham, Phil Robertson, so many people have shared the

00:27:14.160 true gospel with Donald Trump.

00:27:15.900 And here, Franklin Graham compares Trump to Esther, which I believe is much, much better

00:27:22.180 than comparing him to Jesus Christ.

00:27:24.840 Stop for. 0.99

00:27:25.160 Father, you tell us in the book of Esther that the Persians, the Iranians, were wanting to kill 0.99

00:27:35.460 every Jew, woman, child, and do it all in one day. But you raised up Esther to save the Jewish 0.92

00:27:47.620 people. Today, the Iranians, the wicked regime of this government wants to kill every Jew and 1.00

00:28:00.500 destroy them with an atomic fire. But you have raised up President Trump. You've raised him up 1.00

00:28:10.540 for such a time as this. Okay, so you could dispute some things that he's saying there.

00:28:18.180 Certainly, if you were like, we shouldn't be using Astor or the Bible at all to justify this

00:28:22.420 war with Iran. Maybe you don't think this war with Iran is justified. Some of what he said

00:28:26.540 is true. Iran does have an evil regime, and the regime absolutely wants to kill all Jews. They 1.00

00:28:31.420 also want to destroy the West and kill Christians, by the way. But again, you could think that Trump 1.00

00:28:36.320 is not going about it the right way, and you could think it's gross to use the Bible to try

00:28:39.660 to justify that. Theologically, this is not as much of a problem for me as Paula White's message.

00:28:47.040 You could say that he's wrong, but I don't think that this is blasphemous. Now, Tucker Carlson

00:28:52.680 had a big problem with this. He talked about, you know, Paula White, some things that I agree with, 1.00

00:28:58.180 but he also has a very, very strange take on the book of Esther in his response to Franklin Graham.

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00:30:41.760 Here's how Tucker disputes what Franklin Graham said. Stop five.

00:30:45.760 Franklin Graham, son of Billy Graham, shows up at the White House yesterday

00:30:49.200 to pray over the president so he will have wisdom and restraint no

00:30:54.040 to endorse the murder of civilians which is a war crime and it's in the book of ester which

00:31:04.300 you should read because it's interesting it also happens to be maybe not coincidentally

00:31:09.520 the only book in the christian bible old and new testaments that doesn't mention god

00:31:15.120 There's no mention of God in the Book of Esther.

00:31:19.280 Okay, so he talks about how the Book of Esther is actually about the slaughter of the Persian people,

00:31:25.320 that that's something that is basically endorsed in the Book of Esther.

00:31:28.600 He talks about how Martin Luther didn't want the Book of Esther in the biblical canon,

00:31:34.420 but ultimately relented and included it in the 66 books.

00:31:38.860 But there's some things that Tucker gets wrong there.

00:31:41.660 So Esther actually tells a story of a thwarted plot to commit genocide against the Jewish

00:31:46.540 people in Persia.

00:31:48.140 Esther was a Jew living in Persia, chosen as King Ahasuerus.

00:31:54.620 I'm really going to try to say that correctly, Ahasuerus, chosen as his new queen out of

00:32:00.080 a lot of other beautiful women.

00:32:01.960 She's chosen as the most beautiful and delightful. 0.85

00:32:04.340 And then she also learns of a plot to kill the Jews in the empire, engineered by a bad

00:32:08.480 guy named Haman, one of the king's advisors.

00:32:10.420 There is no, not that I can read, not that I can recall, no genocide of the 75,000 Persians

00:32:16.580 in the book of Esther, as Tucker claims, throughout the Persian empire, the Jews successfully

00:32:20.940 defend themselves, killing 75,000.

00:32:23.820 But this is an act, at least as we're told in the book of Esther in the infallible word

00:32:28.300 of God, an act of self-defense against their attackers, not a genocide of the Persian people.

00:32:33.640 Haman is executed.

00:32:34.860 The king issues an edict allowing the Jews to defend themselves if attacked.

00:32:38.860 It says, 0.88

00:33:08.860 month, which is the month of Adar. That's Esther 8, 10 through 12. Now it is true. I will say that

00:33:16.500 there are no explicit references to God in the book of Esther, which is really interesting,

00:33:20.960 but it certainly refers to him implicitly. In its fourth chapter, Esther calls for all of the Jews

00:33:26.740 to fast, presumably in supplication to God for the success of their mission. She says,

00:33:31.040 go gather all the Jews to be found in Susa and hold a fast on my behalf and do not eat or drink

00:33:35.560 for three days i think she's telling this to her uncle mordecai i and my young women will also fast 0.78

00:33:40.920 as you do esther 4 16 also esther's uncle mordecai appeals to god's sovereignty when he asks her to

00:33:47.940 intercede on the behalf of the jews saying for if you keep silent at this time relief and deliverance

00:33:52.740 will rise for the jews from another place but you and your father's house will perish and who knows

00:33:57.880 whether you have not come to the kingdom for such a time as this now a lot of commentators view

00:34:02.720 view commentators view esther as an example to us of how god sovereignly works through people

00:34:08.100 placed in government to accomplish his will and in this way esther is a testimony of how god's

00:34:13.720 sovereignty is still at work behind the scenes even when things seem hopeless and it seems like

00:34:19.320 this is the comparison that graham was making when he noted that trump may have been placed

00:34:22.980 in government for such a time as this we know from daniel 2 that god sets up kings and he brings

00:34:28.480 them down times and seasons are in his hand that god instituted government and does set up rulers

00:34:35.940 and we hope that those rulers define good and evil how god defines good and evil and i think

00:34:41.240 largely this administration does again whether or not you agree with their foreign policy i'm

00:34:47.340 certainly glad to have an administration that for example knows what a woman is i am glad to have

00:34:52.760 an administration that has someone like Pete Hedgeseth, who routinely talks about the sovereignty

00:34:59.400 of God and appeals to God. You've got people like Margot Rubio, who seem to know the gospel

00:35:04.340 extremely well. And so I'm thankful. I'm thankful for that. You can, again, go back and forth with

00:35:11.940 Franklin Graham about whether or not the Iran war applies to this comparison to Esther.

00:35:17.860 Tucker implies perhaps that Esther shouldn't be in the Bible.

00:35:21.880 Franklin Graham is up there, standing at the podium, praying for that.

00:35:28.620 Now, how do you do that?

00:35:30.080 Well, by quoting something called the Book of Esther,

00:35:33.580 which is, in the Christian Old Testament, a controversial book for a long time.

00:35:41.280 Martin Luther thought it shouldn't have been there, but it is there.

00:35:44.620 And it's the story, among other things, of a genocide.

00:35:48.180 It's true that Martin Luther was critical of the book of Esther.

00:35:52.420 He was also critical of the book of James.

00:35:54.460 He said, I am so great an enemy to the second book of the Maccabees and to Esther that I

00:35:58.880 wish they had not come to us at all, for they may have too many heathen unnaturalities.

00:36:05.280 However, he was ultimately convinced, and this actually goes to show that it's not 0.69

00:36:09.920 the Protestant Reformation that was first ignited by the 95 theses that were publicized

00:36:17.240 or posted, if you will, by Martin Luther wasn't just about people wanting to tear apart the Bible

00:36:22.740 and do things willy-nilly, but ultimately, convinced by history, convinced by logic,

00:36:30.000 Martin Luther, with the help and the counsel of other scholars at the time, said, yes,

00:36:35.200 this should go in the 66 books, including the book of James. It wasn't just about driving his own

00:36:39.720 personal ideas or theology. Josephus, a Jewish historian writing in the first century AD,

00:36:44.760 He notes that the Jews celebrated the festival of Purim

00:36:47.840 and gives his own version of the Esther story

00:36:50.280 showing it was widely accepted around the time of Christ.

00:36:52.780 So that was one of the points that was considered

00:36:54.460 when including it in the canon.

00:36:56.220 More importantly, early church fathers like Jerome

00:36:58.520 included Esther in their Old Testament candidate,

00:37:01.900 or canon rather.

00:37:05.140 And so there is good reason.

00:37:07.100 There is good reason why Esther was included

00:37:09.860 throughout the Protestant tradition.

00:37:11.080 Esther has been repeatedly affirmed in the biblical canon.

00:37:14.760 in the 17th century, Esther was included in the Westminster Confession. So at this point,

00:37:19.480 it's not really something that's debated. Now you can have your problems with whatever you would

00:37:24.240 like in the Bible, but ultimately we defer to the inerrant word of God. And so lots going on

00:37:31.300 in the White House, a lot of commentary about what's going on in the White House. I think the

00:37:36.540 most important point is that we get the Bible right, that we get the gospel right, and that

00:37:40.820 we focus on that and that Christians should focus on being as clear and accurate as possible when

00:37:45.320 it comes to the reliability of the Word of God and the bad news that precedes the gospel and the

00:37:51.920 good news that the gospel brings and what the resurrection actually represents. Really, really

00:37:57.020 important. All right. I also need to respond to what Donald Trump said on Easter. So let me just

00:38:04.800 read that before we get into our next ad, because it's so Donald Trump. It is so Donald Trump. And

00:38:10.620 a lot of people wanted me to respond to this and had a hard time with what he said. Okay.

00:38:15.060 So he said this on Easter Sunday. He said, Tuesday will be power plant day and bridge day

00:38:19.940 all wrapped in one in Iran. There will be nothing like it. Open the effing straight,

00:38:26.680 you crazy bastards, or you'll be living in hell. Just watch. Praise be to Allah. President Donald 1.00

00:38:34.280 J. Trump. All right. So a lot of people were like, can you believe that President Trump said praise

00:38:39.800 Allah on Easter? That's crazy. I mean, I immediately read that and I'm like, it's a

00:38:45.080 troll. He's obviously trolling Iran. He's trolling Islam. Now, I'm not saying that you should think 0.93

00:38:52.300 that that's great on Easter Sunday, but it's so Trump. And I'm just surprised at the amount of

00:38:58.100 response and reaction and emotion that people have in response to Trump and response to some

00:39:04.760 of the things that he says online. I'm not saying you should like it. I'm not saying we should

00:39:09.520 excuse it or justify the things that you don't like, but also like this at this point, like you

00:39:15.160 voted in 2024 knowing that he was going to be like this, right? Like we knew that we've known

00:39:20.320 that since before 2016 that he's going to say stuff and he's going to do some awesome stuff

00:39:25.340 and we should criticize him when he says wrong things and makes wrong decisions. And we should

00:39:29.540 give him an attaboy when he does a good job on things. But the people who are like, okay,

00:39:34.880 that's it. I'm done. This is the last straw. This is the last straw. He said worse things.

00:39:40.380 He has said worse things than this over time. Okay. You don't have to like it,

00:39:45.640 but this is who Trump is. He's going to say silly, ridiculous things on Christmas day, 0.99

00:39:49.780 on Easter, whatever. He doesn't really have the same sense of decorum and propriety that you and 0.98

00:39:54.700 I do. And you could say that you missed that. OK, well, we've just got a few more years. Trump is

00:39:58.520 not going to be in office in 2028. But Tucker said this, which I thought was interesting. I thought

00:40:04.640 this was an interesting takeaway and not something that I agree with. Plenty of things that you could

00:40:09.080 have a hard time with when it comes to Trump's tweet. But Tucker says this, Sussex. And so the

00:40:14.920 morning of Easter is a uniquely joyful and peaceful moment. And yet that peace yesterday was shattered.

00:40:21.740 That's not an overstatement.

00:40:22.820 It was shattered for many observant Christians

00:40:24.880 by a statement that the president of the United States

00:40:27.120 put out at 8.03 a.m. Eastern time on Easter morning.

00:40:31.060 Did the president of the United States

00:40:31.820 really just write that?

00:40:34.020 And it is real.

00:40:36.280 It is maybe the most real thing

00:40:38.180 this president has ever done

00:40:39.320 and also the most revealing.

00:40:42.440 On every level.

00:40:45.580 It is vile on every level. 0.68

00:40:49.660 Okay, let's play Sot 7. 1.00

00:40:51.740 So obviously you're mocking the religion of Iran. 1.00

00:40:57.740 Okay, if you seek a religious war, that's a good idea. 0.80

00:41:03.180 But by the way, no decent person mocks other people's religions. 0.98

00:41:09.200 You may have a problem with the theology.

00:41:11.120 Presumably you do if it's not your religion, and you can explain what that is.

00:41:15.040 But to mock other people's faith is to mock the idea of faith itself, and we should never mock that.

00:41:21.740 Okay, so many things. First of all, this shattered Easter for millions of Christians 0.77

00:41:28.980 around the world. I just have to say, if your celebration of the resurrection of Jesus Christ

00:41:34.620 hangs on the truth social posts of Donald Trump, your priorities are so out of whack, okay? Like

00:41:41.200 you've got bigger spiritual issues going on. I don't remember if I saw this post in the morning,

00:41:46.880 if I saw it in the afternoon, I wasn't hanging out on social media in the morning.

00:41:51.740 of Easter, you shouldn't have been either. And again, like if you were doing that, then you were

00:41:57.500 already sucked into a dark place anyway. It wasn't a peaceful moment for you because you were

00:42:02.500 scrolling X. And if it really was this like peaceful moment and this peaceful morning for

00:42:08.260 you on the morning of Easter, then you weren't watching Fox News and you weren't on social media

00:42:13.720 and you shouldn't have even known that Trump said this until later. And so your day shouldn't have

00:42:18.420 been shattered. But if you did see it that morning, then you roll your eyes and you say,

00:42:23.360 that's ridiculous. That's Donald Trump. He shouldn't have said that. And that's not really 0.99

00:42:27.320 an appropriate thing to say, especially today. And you move on and you go to church with your

00:42:31.360 family and you eat and you do the Easter egg hunt and you have a great day. Trump just doesn't have

00:42:36.180 this kind of power in my life. He doesn't have the power to steal my joy. He doesn't have the

00:42:41.160 power to steal my peace. He doesn't have the power to shatter my resurrection Sunday. And if he has

00:42:46.300 that power in your life, I honestly think that you should ask why. And then the last thing he

00:42:52.260 said I thought was interesting, that you shouldn't mock Islam because to mock a tenet of any religion

00:42:58.040 is to mock religion itself or to mock faith itself. Well, that's ridiculous. Some things 0.99

00:43:03.140 that people have faith in are wrong and laughable. And again, you could say that it's not the right

00:43:09.140 way to win over Muslims. I am worried about winning over Muslims. That's something that

00:43:13.860 I want to do as a Christian, but that's not something that Trump is interested in, okay?

00:43:18.600 And he doesn't represent Christianity. He is not being an evangelist or an apologist in that moment.

00:43:23.260 Like, he is doing what he does. He is talking tough so that he can threaten Iran and accomplish 0.95

00:43:29.000 what he wants to accomplish. That might be what he thinks is going to do it, that kind of 0.99

00:43:33.120 belittling language. Again, you can take issue with that. Just in principle, Tucker is wrong.

00:43:37.800 Like if we look at Elijah and we look at how he was mocking Baal and the prophets of Baal,

00:43:44.060 he literally said, where is your God?

00:43:46.560 Has he gone to the bathroom?

00:43:48.080 Has he gone to relieve himself and to point to the power of his own God?

00:43:53.980 So in principle, it is just wrong to say that mocking a tenant of a false idolatrous religion

00:44:00.480 is always wrong.

00:44:02.780 OK, so I just think that's strange.

00:44:04.760 Also, Tucker has mocked Christians in the past.

00:44:07.600 And of course, he has spoken with absolute utter disdain toward what he calls Christian

00:44:12.400 Zionists.

00:44:13.420 He's talked about dispensationalists in this way, people like Mike Huckabee.

00:44:18.940 He apologized for it when he sat down with Mike Huckabee.

00:44:23.300 Even John Quincy Adams said that Muhammad was driven by the fraudulent spirit of an

00:44:27.220 imposter, writing that the essence of his doctrine was violence and lust. 1.00

00:44:30.940 and you could say, well, that was a legitimate criticism and he was speaking seriously. Yes,

00:44:36.560 I agree with you. I would much rather something like that from Trump, but I know who Trump is

00:44:41.380 and Trump is not going to give us that. He's not going to give us a serious ideological

00:44:46.120 and theological critique of Islam. It would be welcome. He's not going to do it. He's going to 1.00

00:44:51.000 say something ridiculous like praise be to Allah. Now, I am much more offended by someone like 0.99

00:44:57.460 Zoran Mamdani, while he gave his nice platitudes of celebrating Easter and talking about the

00:45:03.340 resurrection, he said that Easter, you know, it's about new life and, you know, what they always do,

00:45:09.860 new chances being reborn in some kind of vague way. Comparing the very real historical resurrection

00:45:16.120 of the God-man to some kind of abstract general concept that can apply to anyone,

00:45:21.700 no matter what you believe, that's actual blasphemy. Like, that is the one true religion 0.94

00:45:27.000 that you are belittling and that you are watering down so that everyone can agree with it.

00:45:32.300 That's not what the resurrection is. It's not a metaphor. It's not an allegory. It's a real

00:45:36.500 historical fact that God made flesh, rose again, and defeated death. And if you say that, that's

00:45:43.460 going to be very controversial. That's going to hurt a lot of people's feelings because of the

00:45:47.060 implication that it has on your life and the demand that it has to die to self. It is much more,

00:45:52.600 much more of an offensive message than what Trump said about Allah, honestly.

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00:46:58.080 slash Allie. Okay, so Trump has a deadline for Iran that ends at 7pm Central Time on April 7th,

00:47:09.980 2026. There may be some developments on this after filming this episode. And Trump said on

00:47:18.900 Tuesday, so deadline for basically, you know, surrendering. Trump said on Truth Social,

00:47:25.940 a whole civilization will die tonight. He said that today. A whole civilization will die tonight,

00:47:34.640 never to be brought back again. I don't want that to happen, but it probably will. However,

00:47:38.440 now that we have complete and total regime change we're different smarter and less radicalized

00:47:42.780 minds prevail maybe something revolutionarily wonderful can happen who knows he says in all

00:47:48.480 caps we will find out tonight one of the most important moments in the long and complex history

00:47:52.700 of the world 47 years of extortion corruption and death will finally end god bless the great people

00:47:57.880 of iran russell moore responds to that by saying that one can excuse or ignore this while claiming

00:48:06.100 to be pro-life as a sign of a seared conscience. God have mercy on us all. So do I want a whole

00:48:12.600 civilization to die? Absolutely not. Do I want any civilian to ever die in any war? Absolutely not.

00:48:20.420 I don't read this as Trump cheering this on. I see him stating it as a fact, and I'm not saying

00:48:26.780 it's a good fact. I'm not saying it's a fact that we should support, but he does even say in there

00:48:32.160 that's not something I want to happen. I also think it's massive hyperbole. I think it's how

00:48:37.220 Trump talks. You can not like how Trump talks. You can think it's counterproductive. You can

00:48:42.320 think it makes our job harder to try to excuse or justify or figure out the things that he

00:48:48.020 says. And you don't have to do that. You can just say, I think it was wrong to say that,

00:48:52.520 or I really hope that doesn't happen. I think all Christians have to pray for good to conquer evil 0.99

00:48:57.880 and for peace to ultimately and miraculously prevail, for him to preserve life, but also

00:49:03.680 that our leaders would make good decisions, that they would have the restraint that's

00:49:08.240 necessary, and that they would know, though, when force has to be used to conquer something

00:49:15.780 that is evil.

00:49:16.960 And I don't claim to know all of the answers to those questions, and I think we have to

00:49:21.380 pray that the people in charge do.

00:49:23.880 And again, I'm just not too worried about Trump's posts.

00:49:27.880 That's the truth of it. I don't have to like them, but I'm used to them by now. You can say that's a

00:49:34.680 bad thing if you want to, but honestly, it is what it is. Trump is who he is. I got other things to

00:49:41.920 be really incensed about, policies that are really affecting the lives of people. I got actually

00:49:49.040 bigger things to disagree with Trump about, like IVF and abortion. Generally, we agree on abortion,

00:49:55.540 but when it gets down to the policy and nitty gritty, he is not where I am. I really want his

00:49:59.880 FDA to reverse the Biden era regulation saying that abortion pills can be delivered by mail.

00:50:06.500 That's killing thousands and thousands and thousands of image bearers every day. I don't

00:50:10.900 want to subsidize IVF, which kills thousands and thousands of image bearers every day. Okay.

00:50:15.480 So like, until I see someone like Russell Moore speak up about those things that are killing

00:50:20.100 image bearers of god right now and not just the hyperbolic trump tweet it's hard for me

00:50:26.380 russell moore someone who has tickled the left and punched right and has basically coddled people

00:50:35.120 blatantly pro-abortion people like biden and kamala harris while going so hard after trump

00:50:40.860 i'm not interested in what you think about the pro-life cause because like you are not on the

00:50:46.540 side of people who actually want to limit abortion. So you're not really the one, Russell Moore. You're

00:50:52.620 not the one to talk about if you're truly pro-life. You're not truly pro-life. So I don't care about

00:50:57.380 what your definition of pro-life is. But if you want to link arms with me, Russell Moore, and call

00:51:02.920 out the Trump administration about some of the actual policies that they are implementing and

00:51:08.540 putting forth or refusing to roll back that are actually hurting image bearers, then I'm interested

00:51:15.540 in that, then we can discuss that. Until then, I don't care about what you think about what is

00:51:20.960 truly pro-life and what's not. All right. I want to end on a positive note. I want to end on what

00:51:27.460 is happening in space right now. Now, space is not typically something that I talk about very

00:51:33.460 much on this show because it's just not something that comes up very often. But right now, we've got

00:51:38.900 a Bible-believing Christian in space talking about the gospel basically from the moon. And that seems 0.86

00:51:43.780 like a really big deal. On April 1st, Artemis II successfully launched with four astronauts on a

00:51:48.940 mission to fly by the moon. And y'all, I was so honored. Yes. Okay. We can play it. We've got the

00:51:54.520 video. It's a silent video if you're listening to this. So this is Artemis II. And y'all, I was

00:51:59.540 very honored. I was invited to go to the launch of this and I just wasn't able to, but I saw Glenn

00:52:05.400 Beck there, Michael Knowles there. Their footage was just incredible. It actually seemed like a

00:52:10.240 very emotional crazy moment just that our science and technology and innovation and work ethic and

00:52:17.040 diligence were able to accomplish something like this so so amazing so far outside of the realm

00:52:23.620 of things that i understand but i love how god has gifted people so uniquely um at 1 57 p.m eastern

00:52:29.580 time on april 6th the crew members broke the record of 248 655 miles from earth set by the

00:52:36.360 Apollo 13 astronauts in April 1970. The astronauts of Artemis II have now gone further, farther from

00:52:43.620 the Earth than anyone in history. Later in the day, they reached their maximum distance from Earth

00:52:48.860 that was estimated 252,756 miles. That is crazy. Okay, we have someone named Victor Glover. Victor

00:52:59.660 Glover is a U.S. Naval captain. He's one of the astronauts on Artemis II. He has been vocal about

00:53:04.440 his faith, not only during the mission, but throughout his career. Previously, a reporter

00:53:08.360 attempted to bait one of the astronauts into a racial diversity response during a press conference,

00:53:13.620 and it led to this unifying moment, which I thought was really cool, Satin.

00:53:17.680 I live in this dichotomy between happiness that a young woman can look at Christina and just

00:53:24.560 physicalize her passion or her interests, or even if it's not something she wants to do,

00:53:29.700 she can just be like girl power, and that's awesome. And that young brown boys and girls

00:53:33.180 can look at me and go hey he looks like me and he's doing what and that's great i love that but

00:53:37.900 i also hope we are pushing the other direction that one day we don't have to talk about these

00:53:42.320 first that one day this is just and i listen to this that this is the human history it's about

00:53:48.500 human history it's the story of humanity not black history not women's history but that it

00:53:53.120 becomes human history okay i love that i thought that that was such a good nuanced and true answer

00:54:00.280 In 2020, Glover, leading up to his stay on the International Space Station, stated that he'd be bringing communion cups and a Bible for his stay, which is awesome.

00:54:10.680 In 2023, Glover made headlines for saying that there are no atheists in rocket ships at 11.

00:54:16.000 My career is fed by my faith.

00:54:20.500 And not, you know, anytime I do something that's pretty risky.

00:54:23.700 You know, I pray before I fly.

00:54:25.200 Every time I fly.

00:54:26.080 I fly airplanes a few times a week.

00:54:27.760 definitely when you go sit on top of a rocket ship in in in the military there's a saying that

00:54:33.240 there are no atheists in foxholes there aren't any on top of rockets either i would think you know

00:54:37.560 i saw this post um a reddit post of course and it was uh these atheists on reddit complaining

00:54:48.840 about how these astronauts not just victor have been talking about god and how can we have come

00:54:57.000 so far technologically and how can we have the best of the best scientists circling the moon and

00:55:03.500 still talking about religion i'm like oh you are so close that maybe the people that see the

00:55:10.040 intricacies and the vastness of creation are most convicted that this didn't all happen by chance

00:55:16.640 and in fact it just takes so much more faith to believe that to be looking at earth and our

00:55:23.260 ecosystem from space and to believe that that just happened that all of this came from nothing that

00:55:29.540 is a fantastical religious belief it takes actually far less faith to say maybe there's an

00:55:34.980 entity that's bigger than me whose intelligence transcends mind uh mine that i'm finite and he

00:55:42.400 is infinite and he created this in a way that i can't understand like that takes a lot less faith

00:55:48.640 than the atheist belief. Victor has more to say, and I love what he is sharing. I love that God

00:55:55.480 has given him the platform to tell people, especially skeptics like that, about the truth

00:56:00.480 of creation and the truth of the gospel. We'll get to that in just a second. Let me tell you

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00:57:00.940 He also, he has a beautiful family. People have been circulating pictures of his family

00:57:05.240 and he was asked what he's going to take on his Artemis II mission. He said that he's going to

00:57:09.600 take his Bible and his family's photo. Oh my goodness. So sweet. He just seems like such a

00:57:16.120 solid guy, solid father and husband. Um, he said that he was, uh, during this mission, of course,

00:57:23.720 they're able to do interviews from space. And he said he was struck by seeing earth

00:57:27.540 just before Easter Sunday, set 12. As we are so far from earth and looking back at, you know,

00:57:34.080 the beauty of creation i think the for me one of the really important personal perspectives that i

00:57:40.700 have up here is i can really see earth as one thing and you know when i read the bible and i

00:57:45.440 look at all of the amazing things that were done for us who were created it's you you have this

00:57:51.800 amazing place this spaceship you guys are talking to us because we're in a spaceship really far from

00:57:56.920 earth but you're on a spaceship called earth that was created to give us a place to live in the

00:58:02.680 universe and the cosmos. Yeah, I love that. Created, created, created. And we shouldn't

00:58:08.520 take that for granted. That's, of course, how we as Christians talk, but a lot of the world doesn't

00:58:12.060 talk like that. They don't think about it being a creation. They think about it just being a thing

00:58:16.580 that through a big bang just happened, that it came from nothing. And so I'm just so thankful

00:58:23.420 for his gratitude and his awe there. And then he also talks about aspects of the gospel. Slot 9.

00:58:28.840 Christ said, in response to what was the greatest command, that it was to love God with all that you are.

00:58:36.120 And he also, being a great teacher, said the second is equal to it, and that is to love your neighbor as yourself.

00:58:45.220 And so, as we prepare to go out of radio communication, we're still going to feel your love from earth.

00:58:54.480 and to all of you down there on earth and around earth, we love you from the moon.

00:59:03.780 So that is an aspect of the gospel.

00:59:06.420 That is part of the gospel, of course, that we are to love God and to love other people.

00:59:11.100 And God is love, 1 John 4, 8.

00:59:13.260 And that is a very important aspect of the gospel message.

00:59:17.860 NASA posted this photo on April 6th, and it is the first photo from the far side of the moon.

00:59:24.480 I can't hear that phrase, far side of the moon, without thinking dark side of the moon

00:59:28.300 from Mulan.

00:59:29.300 I don't know if it's just being a 90s girl and Disney lyrics are still stuck in my head,

00:59:34.880 but this is a beautiful photo.

00:59:37.260 Absolutely crazy.

00:59:38.680 What a wild accomplishment.

00:59:40.620 I mean, just how science is always catching up with God and can actually lead us, whether

00:59:45.660 it's the intricacies of our DNA or an atom or how Earth looks from space.

00:59:53.100 and the multitude of the stars and how everything works together in perfect harmony, everything

01:00:02.120 speaks to the handiwork of God, the majesty, the power of God, and it should just humble

01:00:07.520 us immensely.

01:00:09.540 And really, this goes all the way back to the wrong telling of the gospel that we talked

01:00:14.800 about in the very beginning of this.

01:00:16.580 The wrong telling of the gospel, the wrong telling of what God offers us in Christ from

01:00:22.940 people like Paula White and health and prosperity preachers makes us really big. It makes us the

01:00:30.100 center of the universe. It makes history about us. But I think we're reminded as we go into space

01:00:34.820 and we see how small and insignificant we are and how incredible it is that God would love us,

01:00:40.580 that God would become flesh to save you and me. That should make us feel so small, but at the

01:00:47.780 same time so loved. And that kind of mentality can just rightly orient us, not only in our

01:00:54.380 relationship with God, which is most important, but also our relationship with other people and

01:00:58.620 our relationship with creation. So I'm so thankful for the perspective that we get,

01:01:02.940 not only from these pictures, but also from this astronaut. And gosh, I am so thankful for the

01:01:08.460 gospel and everything that Easter truly does represent. God is really, really good that he

01:01:13.080 continually points us to himself and what is good, right, and true. All right, that's all we've got

01:01:17.480 time for today. We will be back here on Friday.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - April 08, 2026

Ep 1329 ｜ Trump’s Threats, Paula White’s Heresy & Tucker’s Bad Take

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