Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1330 ｜ Matt Walsh on Iryna Zarutska’s Case, the Death Penalty & Civil War Myths

00:00:00.740 The killer of Irina Zarutska has been found incompetent to stand trial.

00:00:06.260 That means he'll go to some mental health facility instead of where he belongs in prison.

00:00:12.040 What does this say about our justice system?

00:00:14.940 How in the world did we get here?

00:00:16.940 Well, we have someone here today, Matt Walsh, who says that he has been radicalized on the

00:00:21.280 issue of justice.

00:00:22.100 He's going to talk us through this, why this is happening, what we need to do about it,

00:00:26.480 what the solutions are.

00:00:27.620 We'll also be having a fascinating conversation about his new real history series.

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00:00:57.620 matt thanks so much for taking the time to join us okay before we talk about your new series which

00:01:04.720 i'm super fascinated by i want to talk about some of the things that you said lately about criminal

00:01:09.680 justice irena zarutska it was found that her killer was found incompetent to stand trial

00:01:15.900 not even totally sure what that means or why but can you just give us your general reaction to

00:01:21.080 that and what you think needs to change yeah so they're they're saying it's incompetent to stand

00:01:25.940 trial. Now, one of the caveats there is fortunately, he also has federal charges and he hasn't been

00:01:31.600 found incompetent there. So he still is facing that. And I was watching a news report today,

00:01:37.940 a local news report, and somebody who was trying to explain this and sort of defend it was saying

00:01:42.420 that, hey, just because he was found incompetent to stand trial doesn't mean that he's going to

00:01:46.160 be released. He's going to go to a mental health facility, quote unquote. And he could, I think

00:01:50.820 the phrasing in the report was he could very possibly be there forever, which, of course,

00:01:55.620 what's implied there is that he could also possibly be released. And that has happened

00:01:59.520 many times. I mean, there have been infamous cases, including recent cases, where people who

00:02:04.140 were guilty of heinous, violent crimes, murder, were found incompetent, ended up being released

00:02:11.160 back out into the public. So that could also happen, especially without the federal charges.

00:02:15.800 The whole thing is completely insane. I mean, as I said on X earlier today, I'm totally radicalized on the issue of criminal justice at this point. By most people's standards, I've always been pretty radical on it, at least in recent years.

00:02:31.840 But at this point, I'm completely radicalized on it.

00:02:35.440 And I think, and to begin with, the concept of being incompetent to stand trial makes no sense.

00:02:47.380 That should not be a thing.

00:02:49.120 That shouldn't be a category.

00:02:50.820 Because the way that I look at it is you did a heinous thing.

00:02:55.180 In this case, you murdered an innocent woman, knifed her in the throat on the train.

00:02:59.400 either you knew exactly what you were doing and he did it anyway and that makes you evil beyond

00:03:06.680 measure or it's true that you really don't understand that you're not allowed to do that

00:03:15.520 in which case that's all the more reason as far as I'm concerned why you're not fit for human

00:03:23.120 society but either way you're not fit for human society either you aren't fit because you do

00:03:27.920 these things on purpose, or you aren't fit because you do them and you don't know you're not supposed

00:03:31.620 to do them. Either way, this is not someone who should be a member of society anymore. They should

00:03:35.360 be removed from society permanently. And that's what executions are for. And the problem here, 0.99

00:03:40.920 Ali, is that we are, and for decades, we have medicalized the human condition broadly. This

00:03:50.000 is what the psychiatric industry has done. And now, because basically academics, psychiatrists,

00:03:56.400 and communists were all really the same thing, have taken over criminal justice and have

00:04:00.920 for decades, at least since the mid-20th century, all human evil is now just categorized as

00:04:07.980 a medical problem, which is why in that report I was talking about, the local news report,

00:04:12.960 they were saying, well, we'll put him in a mental health facility and hopefully he gets

00:04:17.400 better.

00:04:18.400 Yeah.

00:04:19.400 Gets better.

00:04:20.400 I mean, that's what you said.

00:04:21.400 What are you going to send him a get well soon card?

00:04:22.400 Right.

00:04:23.400 someone. Gets better is what we say if you get the flu or if you're diagnosed with cancer or

00:04:29.320 something. We hope you get better. This is evil. This is not something that happened to him. It's

00:04:33.600 something that he did. And because we've so medicalized all of these things, we look at now

00:04:39.480 and the justice system looks at the most evil people as victims of some sort of condition,

00:04:45.240 which means that all we can do is offer them treatment. What we can't do is actually punish

00:04:49.560 them. And that's just totally absurd and wrong. Yeah. And it's even worse than that because it's

00:04:55.220 certain people who do evil things suffer from some kind of condition where they were victimized by

00:05:00.920 their own bad mental health or the system or racism, because it's certainly not true across

00:05:05.840 the board. If you are a white male who commits a crime, it just seems that we see that kind of

00:05:12.640 story much less often. But if you're a part of some kind of victim group, if you're a racial

00:05:17.520 minority. I just saw this report by Redux that this person who murdered a baby in 2002 and

00:05:23.060 identifies as a woman has been released 30 years early from jail because the ACLU advocated for

00:05:28.560 him to be released from prison. So if you're part of a victim group, you get advocacy from the

00:05:34.520 public, from the media, from some kind of mob pressure, from these groups like, you know,

00:05:39.340 the Innocence Project or the ACLU, and you are much more likely to be seen as absolved of your

00:05:45.100 crimes or mentally unstable or something like that. So it's not just that progressive ideology

00:05:50.960 has medicalized the existence of evil in human nature. They've just done it for certain groups

00:05:57.400 of people, which is even worse in my estimation. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, that's a major factor

00:06:02.440 as well. It all comes back to the same thing, which is someone does something horrible and then

00:06:07.440 rather than trying to prove they didn't do it and get off the charges that way,

00:06:12.960 they just have to prove that they're a victim. And the thing is, yeah, if you're a black male or 0.52

00:06:17.640 if you're anything but a white male, then you can claim victim status just based on that alone. 0.64

00:06:24.100 And then you add in the supposed mental health challenges and quote unquote, then you get even

00:06:28.940 greater victim status. But even white male criminals can try to play this game. And they 0.96

00:06:35.660 do, which by saying, no, I am also a victim because I have this mental health challenge

00:06:40.020 or I'm autistic or something.

00:06:41.320 I mean, there was a recent case.

00:06:43.100 I mean, it's a case so horrible

00:06:44.620 I haven't even been able to click on it

00:06:46.020 and read into it,

00:06:47.120 but I think it was a delivery driver

00:06:49.740 that kidnapped and killed a young girl.

00:06:52.240 Yes.

00:06:53.020 And it's like one of those things.

00:06:55.120 I see it pop up.

00:06:56.040 I can't even look at it.

00:06:57.880 But as far as I know,

00:06:59.140 and that was, I believe, a white male.

00:07:01.040 Yep.

00:07:01.200 And he's also apparently going to try

00:07:04.740 to claim some sort of mental deficiency. 0.54

00:07:07.380 Right.

00:07:07.620 I think the likelihood that it works in his case is less, but that's what he's going to try.

00:07:14.740 You shouldn't be allowed to even try this. It doesn't matter. If you did this thing,

00:07:19.360 in this case, we know he did it. It's on video, apparently. Same with Irina Zarruska. It's on

00:07:24.840 video. We know you did it. The whole conversation about, well, what was your mental state at the

00:07:30.100 time? I don't care. Who cares? I don't care what you were feeling. I don't care what you were

00:07:34.080 thinking. I care what you did. That's all that matters. And if you did something this heinous,

00:07:39.220 as I said, by my estimation, I know there are plenty of Christians in particular who would 0.88

00:07:44.580 disagree with this, but by my estimation, you've lost the right to exist. You've lost the right to 0.99

00:07:50.180 live on earth. Because when it comes down to it, that is a conditional right at a certain point

00:07:56.520 for adults. It's not conditional for children. We've completely flipped this around where for

00:08:01.700 babies the right to live is conditional and it's conditioned on whether your mother wants you

00:08:06.500 and then so they could be killed but then for adults we say your right to live is totally

00:08:11.820 unconditional no matter what you do you can do the you can do the worst things imaginable for a

00:08:16.780 person to do and you still somehow have this like right to continue existing at the expense

00:08:24.120 of society. I mean, it's completely backwards, completely upside down.

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00:09:41.460 relatable. You're so right. That awful story that you're talking about is a little girl. I don't

00:09:50.400 know the guy's name, but her name was Athena Strand. And I'm sorry to like traumatize my

00:09:55.040 audience, but this is really something that is going on. And as you said, he's trying to claim

00:09:59.240 insanity or whatever. FedEx driver dropping off a Barbie at this little girl's home. She's in the

00:10:03.880 front yard. He captures her. Now we have video like dash cam footage of this little girl like

00:10:09.920 alert standing behind him as he is driving away. It's just awful, especially for us parents just

00:10:16.260 imagining that and then he just goes and brutally kills her they have audio of this which i will

00:10:20.940 never listen to that they are going to play before the jury so i think hopefully that evidence will

00:10:26.280 show this was premeditated deliberate and all of that but there's i thought of another case i won't

00:10:31.520 go into the details but in texas of a guy i think his name was robert robertson and we even had

00:10:36.680 republicans rallying around him saying oh we've got a we've got to save him from the death penalty

00:10:42.540 He brutally murdered his two-year-old daughter several years ago.

00:10:45.820 But in the past few years, he's suddenly been diagnosed with autism.

00:10:49.740 And because he was diagnosed with autism, I guess the brutal abuse and the torture and

00:10:54.420 the murder of his two-year-old, it doesn't really matter anymore.

00:10:57.620 Like justice for victims don't really matter.

00:11:00.340 What matters more is that we treat with kid gloves these people who have brutalized innocent

00:11:06.660 children and people just don't realize it.

00:11:09.100 this is my opinion, that the death penalty for people like the guy who killed Irina Zarutska

00:11:14.520 and all of these child killers, like the death penalty is actually merciful because we're not

00:11:19.080 calling for them to be killed in the brutal way that they killed these children or Irina Zarutska. 0.98

00:11:23.820 We're actually just asking for a quick death. I think that's not only just, but it's actually a 0.99

00:11:28.520 merciful form of justice. And I really don't understand Christians included who see that as 0.97

00:11:33.700 who see that as cruel. It's just totally backwards to me.

00:11:37.360 Yeah, I totally agree. And by the way, we talk about, well, what if someone does something like

00:11:43.340 this and they repent? And I think that unfortunately that's extremely uncommon because usually when

00:11:49.460 you've gotten to a point in your heart where your soul is that black and dark that you're

00:11:54.560 capable of doing something like that, I mean, it's possible. Wonders can be worked and people

00:12:00.780 have repented. It's just statistically unlikely. But the point is that if someone... It's like

00:12:07.800 either they're an unrepentant murderer, in which case, what else can we do with them but give them

00:12:12.840 the ultimate form of punishment? But if they've repented, then guess what? Part of repenting

00:12:17.000 for doing a really bad thing is to accept the consequences of those actions and even to desire

00:12:23.580 them, even to at least to accept them manfully and courageously. That's part of repenting,

00:12:29.640 And that goes for any kind of sin.

00:12:30.720 If you've committed a sin, no matter what it is, but you're still trying to evade the

00:12:35.300 just consequences of that sin, but you claim you've repented, no, you have not.

00:12:39.600 That's part of repenting.

00:12:40.980 It's like if you committed murder, but you haven't been arrested for it, and you got

00:12:44.320 away with it, and you did it 20 years ago or something, and you confide in someone who's 0.83

00:12:49.200 a Christian and say, well, I did this terrible thing, but I've repented of it.

00:12:52.440 That person, if they're a good Christian, knowledgeable person, they would say, okay, 0.97

00:12:56.440 it's good you've repented, but that means you need to go turn yourself in and you need to go 0.99

00:13:00.840 accept the consequences. If you're not willing to do that, it means you're not sorry. And that's

00:13:03.980 what being sorry means. And so, you know, if someone has done the world, you killed your own

00:13:11.000 two-year-old daughter. I mean, it's the worst thing it's possible for a person to do. And if

00:13:15.560 you've really done that and you're actually repented for it, then you should welcome that

00:13:21.400 punishment because you know you deserve it. And, um, and to try to get out of it is I think a sign

00:13:27.380 of, of a lack of repentance. And for my theological perspective too, God can save anyone at any time.

00:13:35.360 And I, the idea of a sovereign God saying, shoot, I was going to save him next week and y'all ruined

00:13:41.840 my plans to do that. And y'all have just completely messed it all up. That's just not how a sovereign

00:13:47.380 God works. God, if we want to say, you know what, trial, conviction, found guilty, someone preaches

00:13:55.320 the gospel to him, gives him an hour to think it over, repent, and then he dies by death penalty,

00:14:01.480 I'm open to that. But how we have it right now that the death penalty is used so arbitrarily,

00:14:07.320 that it's used so sporadically, that's what makes it unjust. It's not the death penalty itself that

00:14:12.540 it's unjust. It's the fact that someone can get three square meals given to them by the taxpayer

00:14:18.840 for 35 years and then maybe get out of prison because they're transgender. Like, that is the 1.00

00:14:24.380 injustice of the death penalty. And you said that you've been radicalized about our criminal justice

00:14:28.700 system. I agree. But sometimes I just feel powerless to do anything about it. And it really

00:14:33.240 is. It's kind of depressing when you start to think about it. Yeah, it is. It is. I mean,

00:14:38.340 it's very depressing and that's one i mean maybe that's one of the reasons why this problem is not

00:14:43.540 fixed i mean one thing it's a huge problem and there are a lot of different angles to it but

00:14:49.500 also it's just really depressing to think about and talk about and so i think people prefer not

00:14:53.600 to but if we're not going to think about it talk about it that means the problem will certainly

00:14:56.220 never be fixed and um but it's a huge problem this is something i would like you know i i would like

00:15:01.640 for at least to start with this could be step one is for the death penalty to become a live

00:15:08.840 pardon the pun a live issue again in america for it to become a real issue that we at least talk

00:15:14.500 about and debate because you know it used to be you go back to the 90s i think and and you know

00:15:19.680 it was death penalty was was almost every state had it and it had like 80 approval i mean it was

00:15:25.760 everybody almost it was one of the few things that almost all americans could agree on is that of

00:15:30.080 course, you have the death penalty. And then you go back farther than that. It was like basically

00:15:33.480 100%. And now, you look at the situation now in 2026, and the death penalty is almost never

00:15:39.980 happens. I mean, many states have banned it. Many other states technically have it, but never use

00:15:44.780 it. And even the states that do have it and do use it, use it very, very, very sparingly. So you

00:15:49.600 only get a few basically executions a year. And then if you look at the public, the opinion polls

00:15:55.080 on it. It's, you know, now it's like 50% supported or maybe less than that. But I just think that's

00:16:02.660 because we've just, we don't talk about it anymore. We've just kind of like moved on. It's one of

00:16:09.240 those issues where we're told by those in charge, oh yeah, that's, we already settled that. That's,

00:16:14.560 we've moved past that. But when did we agree on that? I don't, I don't remember. I mean,

00:16:18.700 the last time that we as a public were really talking about this issue and having a real

00:16:23.820 debate about it and it was actually a part of political debate and maybe be the kind of thing

00:16:28.160 that would come up in a in a debate between candidates for an election the last time that

00:16:32.340 was the case was in the 90s and back then when people were really thinking about it it was 80

00:16:37.460 approval so um i i think it's something worth uh worth at least debating again yeah absolutely

00:16:46.000 and it's definitely protestants and catholics who i think have a lot of people just have it wrong on

00:16:52.000 this, but you definitely have your work cut out for you when it comes to some of your

00:16:55.760 fellow Catholics, when it comes to the death penalty, just because I think that a lot of

00:17:01.440 at least recent Catholic teaching has talked about being against the death penalty.

00:17:05.000 Certainly in evangelicalism, there's like a womb to tomb movement, which says in order

00:17:09.800 to be holistically pro-life, you have to be against the death penalty, you have to be

00:17:15.020 for welfare, you have to be for open borders and things like that.

00:17:17.580 So, you know, I call that toxic empathy, but it's like a real theological issue, too, within our faith communities that people have just been very duped by the progressive propaganda about it.

00:17:28.760 Yeah, I think that and that's, you know, if you look at the polls, I'm.

00:17:33.440 I don't know, probably if the overall polls are 50 percent, kind of like a 50 50, if you looked at Catholics in America, probably be around that.

00:17:40.660 I'm not sure to look at the polls, but I think part of what's happening is that you mentioned pro-life.

00:17:45.900 It's that. I mean, Catholics, at least observant Catholics, are pro-life by definition.

00:17:56.580 They must be if they're observant and they care about their faith.

00:17:59.860 And I think for a lot of Catholics and Christians generally, you think that, well, pro-life, it means pro-life.

00:18:06.060 It means you have to apply that across the board.

00:18:07.980 And listen, I understand that because I've talked openly about the fact that if you go back six years or something, that was my position.

00:18:14.640 I mean, there was a time when I was against the death penalty.

00:18:17.140 I argued against it publicly and on this grounds that it was like, well, I'd say I'm pro-life.

00:18:22.660 You know, I talk about the right to life.

00:18:24.020 And so you've got to apply it.

00:18:26.560 You've got to apply it across the board.

00:18:28.720 And so I get that.

00:18:30.020 It's like I understand that thought process.

00:18:33.440 I used to have the same thought process. 0.97

00:18:35.400 And I think at least for the Christians who feel that way, it's a respectable view. 0.99

00:18:39.760 It's not like stupid or evil or bad or anything from a moral perspective. 0.99

00:18:45.640 But I think the problem is you just haven't thought enough about it. 0.99

00:18:49.780 You haven't really thought this thing through.

00:18:51.540 I know that I hadn't.

00:18:52.600 And then when I really started thinking about it, that's when it became clear to me that

00:18:58.220 because one of the things when we talk about the death penalty, it's like, why should we

00:19:01.720 have the death penalty?

00:19:02.360 And very often the debate about whether or not to have it hinges on things like, is it a deterrent?

00:19:12.100 You know, it's like sort of the practical questions.

00:19:16.140 Or could we save money with the death penalty?

00:19:18.820 And then the people that are against it will say, well, actually, it costs more to execute people than it does to keep them alive.

00:19:24.120 But that's only because of the way that we approach the death penalty in the first place, which was made more expensive than it ever needed to be.

00:19:29.140 um but what was what was i think clarifying for me is when i realized that well actually there is

00:19:37.300 there is a deterrent factor to it um and yeah it's expensive but it doesn't need to be it's just the

00:19:41.900 way we've chosen to do it uh and and if it's not as much of a deterrent now that's because of how

00:19:47.320 we approach it it's because even if you get convicted and given a death penalty it's not

00:19:51.620 going to actually happen for like 30 or 40 years you might die of old age before it happens and

00:19:55.580 And that really minimizes the deterrent factor.

00:19:57.920 But all of that is almost to the side.

00:20:00.720 The real reason is the simplest reason.

00:20:04.080 The real reason why you need the death penalty is because of justice.

00:20:08.520 It is because it is just.

00:20:10.120 It is because it is right.

00:20:11.180 Like, justice means giving to someone what they're owed.

00:20:14.220 It means giving to someone what they're due.

00:20:16.240 Sort of like putting everything in their rightful place.

00:20:18.540 That is justice. 0.98

00:20:19.780 And if you go and kill a child, then what you are owed,

00:20:24.020 what is due to you properly is the ultimate punishment that we can impose on a person, 0.99

00:20:29.840 which, of course, is a death penalty. And I think when you think of it in those terms,

00:20:33.720 at least for me, it becomes very clear that this is what this person did this thing. This is what

00:20:40.240 they deserve. It's like, can anyone look at someone who killed a child, the FedEx driver,

00:20:45.000 for example, can you really look me in the eye and tell me that he does not deserve, that he is

00:20:50.700 not owed, he is not due the ultimate punishment. I don't know how you can make that argument.

00:20:55.700 Yeah, definitely. And the death penalty is a deterrent for the person that you're executing,

00:20:59.920 by the way. Like lowest recidivism rate ever is when you execute murderers. And as you said,

00:21:06.880 we have no idea if it deters on a wide scale because we don't apply it evenly. And I just

00:21:12.780 remind Christians too, that it's God who first demands the death penalty before he even creates

00:21:18.080 Israel he says for murder like you're gonna die and it's not because he's cruel it's actually

00:21:22.800 because he says we are made in God's image so it's because a person is so precious and so special

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00:22:40.500 and so we are two of the only people that i see like prominent conservatives out there pushing

00:22:48.880 for the death penalty so i agree with you we need to push it to at least be a debate a topic of

00:22:53.940 conversation because it is a matter of justice and for me immigration and criminal justice of

00:22:59.780 course along with abortion are like the biggest issues because they have to do with the safety

00:23:04.280 and the security of my family of my daughters and future generations and so more people need

00:23:09.320 to care about it. Yeah, absolutely. And they have to do with, like I said, they have to do with

00:23:14.640 justice. And I think that that is what, on top of the fact that our children are not nearly as safe

00:23:20.420 as they should be living in a society where these monsters and animals are released back into

00:23:25.800 communities. But also, people are hungry for justice. And I think they look around and they

00:23:32.000 see, you know, as you say, immigration is part of this, like people could just flout our laws,

00:23:36.620 It doesn't matter. You can do what you want. And it's just, it's one of the most, you know,

00:23:42.500 we have a need for food and water and shelter, and that's true. But as human beings, we have

00:23:49.100 deeper needs than that. We have spiritual needs, love, you know, that's a real need. And justice,

00:23:54.220 justice is a need. You need that to be, to live and be happy and thrive and to have a civilized

00:23:59.280 society. And I think that in our society today, we are greatly starved for justice. And, you know,

00:24:06.180 this would help that okay i want to get to your series specifically i want to talk about the

00:24:10.900 installment on the civil war but before we do i have to play this clip by gavin newsom's wife

00:24:16.500 you've been talking about her a little bit on x really everyone has but this has to do with what

00:24:21.960 we're talking about with these heinous criminals as she says she's basically just like them here's

00:24:26.760 stop 14 i lost my older sister a few days before my seventh birthday and i blame myself for her

00:24:32.560 death. And I share that because that they ultimately were accused of committing these

00:24:41.020 violent crimes and sentenced for life. And I think it shocked them that this, you know,

00:24:45.920 blonde lady who was, you know, interviewing them had a similar story, was perhaps in the

00:24:54.300 wrong place at the wrong time, but wasn't punished the way they were because clearly

00:24:59.600 it was an accident but theirs was probably an accident too okay so she says basically that

00:25:06.520 everyone on death row that they it was just an accident that they killed someone

00:25:12.080 yeah i mean total madness to be using her own and to be what happened to her sister and what

00:25:22.800 happened to her is a terrible tragedy i mean i can't imagine that as a parent uh it's an awful

00:25:26.420 thing. I think, and I don't, you know, she was seven years old when it happened. Like, of course,

00:25:30.780 I don't, she says it was an accident. I believe her. Yeah. I don't blame her for that. But using

00:25:36.200 it now as an adult, as a 50-year-old woman, as this kind of cudgel to drive home a point, 0.92

00:25:43.580 a political point, not just any political point, but a deranged, the most deranged point you can

00:25:48.100 make, which is that every violent criminal actually just did it by accident. I mean,

00:25:53.620 what? That's, that's insanity. I mean, that, that's the kind of thing that in a just insane

00:26:00.340 country, um, you would be totally disqualified from ever holding any kind of position of

00:26:07.120 leadership. Um, and, and, and your husband would be too. Like, it's so crazy that we should look

00:26:11.940 at that and say, oh, well, these people can't be anywhere near any position of authority. That's

00:26:16.020 total, that's, that's just total lunacy. But, um, and maybe it will have that effect on Gavin

00:26:21.940 Newsom. I mean, I, you know, as others have remarked, I do think it's quite funny in some

00:26:26.620 ways that Gavin Newsom is going through great effort, great pains to present himself as this

00:26:32.320 kind of moderate, this sort of normal guy, and which is all fake. But he's trying, he's trying

00:26:38.140 to do it. And then he's got his wife out there trying to put herself at the center of the story

00:26:42.420 and just, and saying the most insane nonsense. It's, and maybe she's the one who sinks his

00:26:48.400 campaign. Ultimately, that would be that would be poetic justice. Yeah, I would love for her to

00:26:52.220 keep talking. I had no idea she was so chatty and had so many opinions. But I certainly think

00:26:56.300 that it helps us in 2028 if she is out there front and center. All right, let's talk about

00:27:01.300 some more nonsense. You've uncovered some nonsense when it comes to history and how history has been

00:27:06.880 told to us, taught to us. And now you have a new episode in your real history series about

00:27:12.760 the Civil War. And one of the main points that you say at the top, which I think is so interesting,

00:27:18.180 is basically that the North wrote the history of the Civil War, and that's why we think of it the

00:27:23.620 way we do. So I'll just let you kind of run with that. What do we need to really know about what

00:27:28.760 went on? Well, I think, you know, and this is a series where we look at various different

00:27:36.120 historical episodes and, you know, recent going much farther back into the past. And what we want

00:27:44.640 to do is, it's very simple. We call it real history for a reason, is look at the reality

00:27:50.640 of what actually happened and try to actually look at it as objectively as one can, which

00:27:57.360 is not entirely objective. And what we don't want to do in this series is replace what

00:28:03.660 we know is the kind of cartoonish left-wing version of these historical events with an

00:28:09.620 equally cartoonish opposite view of those same events from the right. We don't want

00:28:14.280 to do that either. What we want to do is look at this and say, look, these are, everyone likes to

00:28:20.560 say, you know, claim everything is nuanced these days. Well, some things actually are nuanced. And

00:28:25.740 when it comes to huge historical topics, like we started with slavery, I mean, slavery is

00:28:31.520 an institution across the entire globe for thousands of years, very complicated, complex,

00:28:37.200 nuanced topic, and it requires a sober-minded objective analysis and the Civil War as well.

00:28:42.880 Civil War, in American Civil War, of course, was much, much more contained in terms of the number of years that it occurred. But it's the most brutal war ever fought by Americans by far. And the reasons for it, what led up to it, the personal motivations of the people on the ground doing the fighting versus the political reasons why the war happened.

00:29:08.660 All of these things are very complicated. And so we try to look at it objectively and just give you a straightforward, you know, doesn't matter. This might be upsetting to some people. It's obviously going to be unorthodox, according to the mainstream narrative. Don't really care about that. This is what actually happened.

00:29:26.460 And we kind of start in this episode looking at this interesting shift that's happened.

00:29:36.400 And I think a lot of people don't realize this happened because we take certain things for granted.

00:29:40.180 that, you know, if you go back 100 years ago, people back then had a much more kind of sober,

00:29:54.020 sort of objective view of the Civil War. And by and large, they were able to look at the event

00:30:01.520 and say, hey, it was a terrible thing that it happened. But there were actually heroes on both

00:30:08.980 sides. I mean, there were men on both sides of great heroism and courage and dignity, and they

00:30:14.720 were fighting for what they believed in, you know? And we can respect that, and we can honor that,

00:30:19.900 we can celebrate that. And that's why, you know, 100 years ago, you saw a lot of Robert E. Lee

00:30:23.880 statues go up and things named after Robert E. Lee. And then it's really, but think about that.

00:30:29.280 100 years ago, there were people who, they were much closer to the event, obviously, in terms of

00:30:36.060 time. And there were people a hundred years ago that like their grandfathers fought in the civil

00:30:40.100 war. I mean, they would have known people that fought in it or saw it. I mean, they were that

00:30:45.500 close to it. How could it be that the people who are that close to it have a more objective

00:30:51.480 view of it than us now? It kind of doesn't make any sense because you would think that for them,

00:30:56.820 well, the wounds are still raw, much more raw than they are for us. And so it would be harder

00:31:01.780 for them. But you'd think with us, now we have more distance. None of us knew anyone who fought

00:31:06.640 the Civil War. None of us had any relatives we ever met who fought in it or anything like that.

00:31:11.220 It's always just been ancient history to us. And so you'd think that we'd be the ones who'd be

00:31:14.880 able to say, look, this happened a long time ago. And so let's just be objective. And yet we're the

00:31:20.020 ones who, no, no, no, we look at the Robert E. Lee statues and say, oh, we got to tear those down.

00:31:24.240 I can't even look at it. I can't even look. I can't even see that. It's still so raw to me.

00:31:29.460 And how could we be saying that 150 years later, but 100 years ago, they didn't feel that way?

00:31:33.900 Or even 10 years after the war, they didn't quite feel that way that we do about it.

00:31:38.720 And what's happened is the propaganda, is this shift in the way things were taught in the school system, in media.

00:31:50.680 And that's what we're living in right now.

00:31:52.700 And so we try to kind of go back and, as I said, take a more objective view.

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00:33:09.860 Go to vom.org slash Allie. When I was little, 90s, early 2000s, I grew up in Texas. My husband's

00:33:22.340 from Georgia, but my parents are from Arkansas and Louisiana. And so definitely from the South

00:33:27.820 where it was like normal for boys to, you know, play civil war and you would have your little

00:33:34.280 like Robert E. Lee, um, little figurine. And of course, if you were a boy in the South,

00:33:40.880 you never wanted to be a Yankee. You never wanted to be one of the union soldiers. You wanted to be 0.70

00:33:45.340 Robert E. Lee. You wanted to be the Confederate soldier. And of course to these families and 0.69

00:33:49.920 these little boys, it had nothing to do with, oh, well, I really wish slavery were still around,

00:33:54.780 had nothing to do with that. And I think people now, they can't separate at all slavery from the

00:34:01.480 Civil War. But as you kind of like retell what really happened to the nuances of the Civil War,

00:34:06.780 you say, well, for a lot of the people, not even now, but then like there was a separation there.

00:34:12.200 It wasn't just everyone fighting wasn't just saying, yes, slavery is great.

00:34:16.660 Right, of course. And now slavery was not, and this is why I say we don't want to replace a cartoonish sort of left wing version with a cartoonish right wing version. And you find that sometimes sort of like Civil War revisionism where you have people say, well, actually slavery had nothing to do with it at all. And no, the Confederates weren't the evil villains. It was the Union. That's not true either. I mean, slavery was very much a part of the story, but it wasn't just that.

00:34:44.380 There was the cultural differences between the North and the South, the economic concerns.

00:34:49.020 There was a lot of things that went into it.

00:34:50.580 But that's just the political.

00:34:51.840 Like, that's what was going on politically.

00:34:54.440 That's what was happening between the leaders of these states and in government.

00:34:59.600 That's one thing.

00:35:00.780 To me, the more interesting thing to look at is, okay, well, the men and boys, you know,

00:35:08.680 some of these soldiers were 17, 18 years old or younger.

00:35:12.280 Right.

00:35:12.480 The men and boys who went and fought and died horrifically. I mean, horrifically. Why were they doing that? What compelled them to do that? And what we're supposed to believe, if you listen to the mainstream narrative, is that, well, Confederate soldiers went to the battlefield to fight and die to protect the rights of rich plantation owners to have slaves on their plantations.

00:35:42.480 And meanwhile, these union men and boys left their homes, came down south and died horribly because they just believe so much in freeing these poor black slaves. 0.94

00:35:54.820 That is total nonsense. That is not at all. I mean, that is not at all the case. 0.97

00:36:01.120 One thing you have to keep in mind is that this was the 1860s. Like by our standards today, everybody was racist, not just white people.

00:36:09.140 Everyone who lived on the planet anywhere in 1861

00:36:13.760 was racist by our standards today.

00:36:16.500 Including Abraham Lincoln.

00:36:18.360 Including, for sure.

00:36:19.860 Including Abraham Lincoln wanted to send the slaves back to Africa.

00:36:22.660 In fact, Abraham Lincoln was on the record saying initially that,

00:36:26.320 hey, if I can preserve the Union by freeing the slaves, I'll do that.

00:36:29.620 If I can preserve it by not freeing them, I'll do that.

00:36:31.560 I'll do whatever I need to with respect to the slaves

00:36:33.800 just to keep the Union preserved, because that's what he cared about.

00:36:36.940 And that's the thing.

00:36:37.600 that's what the most of the men who went to do the fighting for the union, they were not doing

00:36:44.380 it to free the slaves. Most of them didn't really care that much about that. And there's a reason

00:36:47.840 why when the slaves were freed, the North didn't want the slaves up North with them. It wasn't 0.51

00:36:52.660 like, hey, we're going to have a racially equal utopia, come on up here. Not at all. They were 0.92

00:36:57.040 racist. They didn't want that for the most part. They went down because they wanted to preserve

00:37:04.260 the Union. They thought they were fighting to preserve their country. Meanwhile, in the South,

00:37:09.200 what they perceived themselves to be fighting for was their homeland, was to protect their home,

00:37:14.580 to protect their country. And for a lot of people in the South, and not just in the South,

00:37:18.900 back in the 19th century, mid-19th century, it's hard for us to understand this now.

00:37:22.980 But when they thought about their country, they thought first and foremost about their state.

00:37:26.900 You know, when a guy from Virginia said, my country, he meant Virginia. That's what he

00:37:31.760 met. That's what he identified with most of all, which makes a lot of sense, actually, when you

00:37:35.440 think about it. I mean, this was before, you know, there weren't phones and emails and cars and stuff

00:37:40.440 like that and planes. We're not nearly as connected to someone. If you lived in Virginia, you might

00:37:46.160 never have any interaction with somebody in New York ever, you know. And so you identified much

00:37:50.760 more locally. And then the entire country was this, you know, a union, we thought at the time,

00:37:59.920 a voluntary union of states that came together because it served their mutual interests.

00:38:06.000 So that's what they thought they were fighting for. And when Robert E. Lee,

00:38:11.740 he did not want secession. He was not in favor of it. But then it happened. And now he had a choice

00:38:19.960 that he could either fight for the Union Army or he could fight for the South. The idea of not

00:38:26.880 fighting at all for a man like that was not even factored in. I mean, these were men of,

00:38:31.560 they had a sense of duty and honor. And of course, if there's a war, you have to fight. You're going

00:38:35.980 to go fight. Not fighting is not an option. So you've got to fight with one side or the other.

00:38:40.980 And from his perspective, well, if I go fight, if I go not just fight, but lead the Union army,

00:38:46.240 I am leading an army against my own home. I'm drawing a sword against my own home. Literally,

00:38:51.980 I'm marching on my home, my sons, my family, the people that I've lived with my entire life.

00:38:57.800 I can't do that.

00:38:59.060 You know, if you're going to send an army down here to Virginia, I have to fight and defend my home.

00:39:04.780 I have no choice.

00:39:05.520 That was his perspective.

00:39:07.220 And I just think you're, you know, you'd have to be a dishonest person to look at that and say you don't at least understand the moral dilemma he faced.

00:39:17.440 And you can't at least understand why he made the choice that he made.

00:39:21.480 Because I tell you something, if I was in that exact same spot, I'd make the same choice.

00:39:25.720 Like, I'm going to fight alongside my family and for my home.

00:39:30.020 Under no circumstances am I leading an army against my own home and my own family ever.

00:39:35.460 No way.

00:39:36.780 And I don't know.

00:39:38.340 That to me seems kind of obvious.

00:39:40.060 So do you think he was a genius and a hero?

00:39:44.340 Yeah, he was.

00:39:45.440 He was heroic in his courage, as many of these men were.

00:39:51.480 He was a military genius. I mean, a lot of his tactics and strategies are still taught in military schools to this day. I think that shouldn't be controversial. I mean, he was certainly a military tactical genius.

00:40:07.080 When you look at, and yeah, the South obviously ultimately lost. I think they survived a lot longer than most people would have thought that they would. And they were outmanned, outgunned considerably. They were marching these armies of 17-year-old farm boys who sometimes didn't even have shoes.

00:40:28.580 um and uh so to to to have some of the the bad the victories that he did on the battlefield i think is

00:40:36.620 um extraordinary genius he was a risk taker he took he took huge risks didn't always pay off

00:40:42.000 that's what how it is with risks um and that's another reason why you know that's why this is

00:40:48.140 this is why you get a statue made to you like if you are a great genius of history and you do things

00:40:54.900 that no one's ever done before

00:40:56.180 and you're remembered in the history books.

00:40:59.640 That's how you get a statue.

00:41:00.960 At least that's how it used to be.

00:41:02.400 You deserve a statue in that situation, I would say.

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00:42:54.520 community at blazetv.com slash Allie. Is there anything you learned about Grant that surprised

00:43:05.340 you in this process? I don't know about surprise me. I think that this is why I say

00:43:12.800 that, you know, you want to avoid the cartoonish caricatures on either side of it, because I also

00:43:20.900 think that Grant was a man of great courage and was a military genius in his own right as well.

00:43:31.620 You know, maybe not so great as a president, but as a military general, he was, you know,

00:43:37.300 a genius. And we should be able to, as I say, 150 years or more after the event,

00:43:44.220 we should be able to look at it and look at the men on both sides and celebrate them for

00:43:51.640 their heroism. Yeah. It is such an interesting point that it's strange that the further we've

00:43:58.200 gotten away from some historical events, bad historical events, the less we're able to see

00:44:03.260 the nuances of them, the less we're able to think objectively, it's become like more personal

00:44:07.660 than the people who like lived through that, it seems like. And it really shouldn't be that way.

00:44:12.880 Like we should ask ourselves how our education and ideology has led us there. I think a lot of

00:44:18.300 times we think because of that, of what the phenomenon that we've described, that a lot of

00:44:23.860 people think as the South being the only place that slaves exist, that the South was just dominated

00:44:28.880 by slaves. Everyone had a slave in the South. No one had a slave in the North. But in your

00:44:33.960 documentary, you talk about that that's not true. Right. I mean, there were, slavery was predominantly

00:44:41.680 in the South. There were slaves in the North. But then also you have to talk about the slave trade,

00:44:46.540 which was run through Northern ports. So this idea that slavery is a sin that belongs solely

00:44:56.240 to the south is uh is totally absurd um and i got to a point where uh you know it was it didn't make

00:45:05.680 any economic sense anymore but slavery is a slavery is was a certainly a sin that not only

00:45:15.200 was not just contained to the american south but was obviously not consent contained to america

00:45:21.360 generally. And I think that when you look at it historically and you get to the middle of the

00:45:30.240 19th century, that's when you start to see these kind of abolition movements take hold in the 19th

00:45:38.160 century, a little bit before that, but really in the 19th century is when these abolition movements

00:45:42.820 started to take hold. But they're taking hold in Western countries. That's the important part.

00:45:52.580 And that's kind of the irony of this, is that we're supposed to believe that kind of white 0.57

00:45:58.580 people, people of European descent, are the great villains of the slavery story, uniquely guilty of 0.52

00:46:06.080 it. But if anything, the exact opposite is true. White people, people of European descent, were 1.00

00:46:12.360 not unique in having slaves. They were unique in abolishing it. They were not the first to have 1.00

00:46:18.500 slaves. They didn't have the worst form of it or the most brutal form. What was unique was in America

00:46:24.600 and in Western Europe was abolishing slavery. And they abolished slavery and abolished the slave

00:46:31.680 trade forcibly while Africa and the Middle East and Asia clung to it. I mean, slavery existed

00:46:42.220 legally in Africa until, like, 1980. I think the last African country to officially abolish

00:46:53.420 slavery legally was in, like, the mid-1900s. And I want to say it was around 1980. It was that

00:46:59.360 reason. I feel like the Libyan slave trade has, maybe not legally, because I don't know when it 0.96

00:47:05.020 became illegal there, but the Libyan slave trade has persisted, has existed, underground or not,

00:47:11.160 for a very long time. And obviously there's still slavery of, you know, the Uyghur Muslims in places

00:47:17.080 like China and people act like that was just like the end of history. And it's not, it still 0.99

00:47:23.440 persists in a lot of the non-Western world today. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's, that's an important 0.69

00:47:28.680 point that it, it doesn't exist legally anymore anywhere. It doesn't exist on the books, but

00:47:32.940 slavery certainly exists still today, but in particular in African countries and in Middle

00:47:41.680 Eastern countries. And as I said, a lot of these regions of the world clung to it. They didn't

00:47:51.860 want it to go away because they were profiting from it. It was like the Arab slave traders 1.00

00:47:57.680 were still carting slaves around 0.85

00:48:00.060 and it was European ships

00:48:01.840 that were tracking down

00:48:03.720 the Arab slave traders

00:48:04.780 and boarding their ships 0.99

00:48:07.660 and forcing them

00:48:09.800 and many times they'd see

00:48:11.520 the European ships coming

00:48:13.100 and they'd toss all their slaves 1.00

00:48:16.100 off into the ocean

00:48:16.900 but again 1.00

00:48:20.140 it was Europeans who were policing this

00:48:22.320 and then if you go back

00:48:24.680 into the more distant past,

00:48:28.660 you'll find that you get to a certain point

00:48:31.040 where for thousands of years of human history,

00:48:33.080 it really just didn't occur to anyone

00:48:36.380 that slavery was fundamentally wrong,

00:48:40.020 that there was something in principle wrong with it.

00:48:42.940 And that's a difficult thing to face

00:48:47.020 and to wrap your head around,

00:48:48.020 but it's an interesting fact.

00:48:49.820 And I think one of the tragedies

00:48:51.160 of our cartoonish view of history

00:48:52.860 is that it deprives us of the opportunity to have edifying, useful, fruitful, interesting

00:48:59.880 conversations about history. And so, you know, we should be able to talk about it. Why is that?

00:49:05.780 Why is it that for thousands of years across the entire globe, slavery was the one of the things

00:49:13.280 that everybody agreed on in that it was okay? I mean, you had, when Europeans first encountered 0.76

00:49:19.580 natives in the new world. And it was like you had these civilizations that had been separated

00:49:24.540 for thousands of years. Basically, it's like two alien species finding each other. It's kind of

00:49:30.220 what it was like. And they didn't speak the same language, vastly different traditions and

00:49:36.360 certainly religions, but they both had slavery. They both had come to that conclusion independently.

00:49:42.060 And why is that? And I think that's an interesting thing we could talk about, but we can't

00:49:46.380 Because we have to prop up this notion that somehow it was all Americans that did it.

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00:50:55.560 You know, you just have some interesting facts that I just want to read for people that speaks

00:51:00.520 to your argument that this war, yes, slavery was a huge part of it, but it wasn't the only part of

00:51:06.520 it. Like you talk about how 42% of New York City households own slaves and Connecticut 50% of

00:51:12.220 ministers, lawyers, public officials unslaved. One in 14 people in Rhode Island was a slave.

00:51:18.300 Many northern states had oppressive black codes. Obviously, there was segregation, 0.73

00:51:22.760 discrimination, all kinds of things that the war wasn't, as you said, not just about these

00:51:28.200 social justice warriors of the north trying to avenge the rights of black people, that it also

00:51:35.020 had to do with an economic balance of power, that it also did have to do in some cases with

00:51:40.480 states' rights. So it's not that slavery wasn't a part of it. It's just that there are other parts

00:51:45.200 of it that are important to understand and explore, I mean, for the sake of truth. But why

00:51:50.340 else would you say it's important for people to know their real history? Because I'm sure that

00:51:54.600 there have been people who have said to you, why does it really matter? Why does it really matter?

00:51:59.500 If we're making a good moral point that slavery is bad, why does it matter that we get the facts

00:52:03.940 right? Yeah, well, I mean, I'll get to that question. I also wanted to just want a historical 0.60

00:52:08.260 note on this also, just to drive the point home that this was not, for the people on the ground

00:52:13.960 doing the fighting, this was not about slavery. And one of the reasons we know that is the

00:52:17.020 Emancipation Proclamation. The Emancipation Proclamation was not issued until midway through

00:52:21.820 the war. And it was specifically issued, it was written in a way to not actually free any slaves

00:52:28.480 that Lincoln could free. It was freeing the slaves in the states that are in rebellion. Well,

00:52:32.920 he couldn't do that. He didn't have control over those states at the time. So he specifically was

00:52:37.420 keeping enslaved the only slaves that he could free. And so why was it? Why was this proclamation

00:52:43.800 not issued at the outset? And I think it's because this was a political move. And initially,

00:52:48.400 they would have had trouble getting people in the North to go down and fight this war if they

00:52:53.140 thought that it was actually just about freeing the slaves. They were not going to do that. So

00:52:57.120 this was a political move. And one of the reasons was to keep the European powers out of it,

00:53:01.040 coming into the war on the side of the Confederates.

00:53:05.680 And it was a genius political move,

00:53:07.980 but that's what it was.

00:53:10.680 And to your other question,

00:53:13.880 why is it important to know little factoids like that?

00:53:19.080 I mean, I'm trying not to lapse into...

00:53:21.120 I'm trying to answer without lapsing into cliches

00:53:23.380 about you got to know your history

00:53:25.100 so you're not doomed to repeat it.

00:53:26.360 But maybe there's a less cliche way of putting it

00:53:28.560 that I'm just not clever enough to come up with.

00:53:29.700 But it is in large part that, you know, we should have the benefit as Americans in the year 2026.

00:53:41.080 We have all this human history behind us.

00:53:43.640 And not only that, but we have access to more information and more knowledge than any humans in the history of the race, the human race ever have.

00:53:54.000 I mean, we carry around in our pockets the sum total of human knowledge in our pockets, right?

00:54:00.320 I mean, we consume more information in a day than our ancestors did in their entire lives.

00:54:06.140 And so there should be a benefit to that, which is that we're able to learn the lessons of the past and we can actually become wiser because of it.

00:54:17.260 That's wisdom. Wisdom is not just having information and it's not just knowing stuff.

00:54:24.000 It's having the information, which becomes knowledge, which then informs how you act today, informs your actions today.

00:54:33.060 It's learning the lessons from that information and from that knowledge that you have.

00:54:37.680 But you're not going to do that if you're walking around with this comic book idea of history.

00:54:45.680 And then the other problem, too, is that there's a sense of humility and gratitude that we should have when we think about our nation's past and we think about our ancestors.

00:55:05.880 Humility and gratitude and also pride.

00:55:08.820 But it's a humble pride because it's not a pride in anything that we did.

00:55:11.700 And it's like the pride that you take. And if a family member achieves something great and we say, I'm proud of that. But it's not because you're taking credit for it. It's because you are humbled by their accomplishment and you love them. And so that's what you mean by pride. And we should have those things for our country and for our ancestors.

00:55:31.700 um but many people in a country today don't don't have that instead they have this sense of um

00:55:40.600 of entitlement this this kind of like snobbiness this i think it was c.s lewis talked about

00:55:47.360 chronological snobbery there's there's a lot of that feeling better than than the people who came

00:55:53.180 before us looking at our country with this kind of resentment all of that i think stems in large

00:56:01.520 part from not knowing our, not knowing our history. Yeah. And I don't think it's a coincidence

00:56:09.340 that in the past, I don't know, 15 to 20 years, as we've become more sensitive about these periods

00:56:15.360 of history, that we have also become less stable when it comes to, like, our modern sense of

00:56:21.840 justice. Like, people are actually more incensed about injustices and perceived injustices from

00:56:27.260 200 years ago than they are about some of the things that we talked about at the top of the

00:56:31.080 show and to me like that's just not a coincidence it's like this progressive worldview and social

00:56:37.840 justice that actually perverts real justice and also it just gets human nature wrong it gets good

00:56:44.660 and evil wrong i think that's part of the reason why what you're doing is really important it just

00:56:49.620 makes us look more factually and objectively about who humans are and what they've done for better

00:56:55.660 and for worse there are much better lessons to be drawn from that than this like you know as you

00:57:00.580 said clownish narrative on either side of history. We can't learn anything from things that aren't

00:57:06.120 true. Where can people find your series? You can go to dailywire.com. It's available for

00:57:12.680 subscribers. You got to subscribe. And we have three episodes, I believe, currently up. And

00:57:18.680 we just recorded our next episode, which I won't get into right now, but I'm excited about it. It's

00:57:24.280 going to upset all the right people. So we're continuing to make episodes, but you got to

00:57:28.760 become a subscriber and watch it.

00:57:31.080 Awesome. Well, thank you so much, Matt.

00:57:32.420 I really appreciate it.

00:57:34.140 Thank you. Appreciate it.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - April 10, 2026

Ep 1330 ｜ Matt Walsh on Iryna Zarutska’s Case, the Death Penalty & Civil War Myths

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