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00:08:48.580NMLS number 81932. Well, good morning or afternoon, whenever you're listening or watching
00:09:00.640this. Don't usually see me in the middle of the week, but Allie Beth is in Washington, D.C.,
00:09:07.140and she is part of the 500 people that are reading through the Bible, which is something that our
00:09:14.200friend Bunny Pounds and her organization is doing, and she'll be doing some reading. So you can
00:09:19.600probably go back and find that somewhere online if you want to watch that. She asked me to step
00:09:23.000in for her today, and we're going to have a great show. It's going to be a lot of good. First thing
00:09:27.940I want to remind you of, though, is don't forget to get your tickets to share the arrows coming up
00:09:31.780in October. It's going to be another great event. You know, last year she had 7000 women sold out
00:09:37.560the arena and it was a lot of fun. I was able to listen in on a part of it and just did a great
00:09:43.800job. And I know they've got some great speakers and great entertainment coming. So hopefully that
00:09:48.220you already have your tickets. If not, please get your tickets to share the air. Look at some of the
00:09:51.800speakers. If you're watching this, you can see some of the speakers on the screen right now. I
00:09:55.280It's just going to be awesome. And the singing people, it's so funny, Allie and I ran into one of the Shane and Shanes at the airport a couple of weeks ago when I was with her flying to go to a speech and just super nice people.
00:10:09.360You're going to really love them. I'm sure that a lot of you already know who they are. So anyway, make sure you get your tickets to that.
00:10:14.520We're going to talk about two or three things, and then at the end, there's going to be a video that you're not going to want to miss that Allie did an interview with a Finnish woman that has been persecuted pretty severely, in my opinion, for her faith.
00:10:29.300And you're not going to want to miss that.
00:10:30.580But first of all, we want to just a little bit of an update on a few things that are going on.
00:10:34.020In fact, as we're recording this, the vote in Virginia to redistrict, meaning to redraw the geographical lines on where their congressional districts are, is taking place.
00:10:50.820As you know, Virginia has a Democrat governor and a Democrat-controlled legislature.
00:10:57.240So what they've done is they have passed a bill.
00:11:02.060Now, we're not even sure that bill is going to pass constitutional muster.
00:14:14.240Second, it's directly in response to what other states decide to do.
00:14:19.380Third, and most importantly for me, it preserves Virginia's fair redistricting process into the future.
00:14:28.120Okay, now that lady, she will lie when the truth sounds better.
00:14:32.480So what they want to do is make it so that 90%, actually 91% of the congressional districts are Democrat and 9%, which would be one, are Republican.
00:14:47.780Now, think about that, how that works out.
00:14:50.400Kamala Harris only won Virginia with 52% of the vote, but yet they want to have a 90% congressional delegation.0.94
00:15:01.260There's nothing fair about that redistricting.
00:15:03.120The reason they say it's temporary because they say, well, we're going to just put this in now.
00:15:08.080And then after the census in 31, we're going to redistrict again as we normally do.
00:15:12.840So this is only going to this is really going to allow us to cheat for just a couple of terms is what they're saying.
00:15:17.440If you want to read between the lines on that.
00:15:20.100And, of course, some of this is they are talking about, well, we do this because what Texas did.
00:15:26.260However, Texas redistricting was based on voter registration.
00:15:31.260It wasn't racially discriminatory, like people said, and it was upheld in federal court.
00:15:37.360So it's already been tested in court and it's been upheld.
00:15:41.040Now, that's in contrast to Virginia's redistricting, which is taking a 10 to 1 Democrat favoring map.
00:15:48.580The testing redistricting only does a few districts under the new maps.
00:15:52.680The Texas Tribune, which is a pretty liberal newspaper, the Texas Tribune reported that Trump would have won three more districts in 24 out of 38.
00:16:00.580So not a big change in Texas, like they said, but look at what if you're watching this, look at what it's going to end up being on the proposed map.
00:16:07.600Basically, everything except the lower southwest corner of Virginia is going to be represented by a Republican and they're there with their being by Democrat.
00:16:16.480And what they're doing is they're they put suburban Democrats in almost every district.
00:16:21.820That's how they're allowing it to be so controlled by the Democrats, which is that that's going to be a problem.
00:16:28.440So this all kind of goes really a little bit is entwined with what we've been talking about, the SAVE Act.
00:16:34.880You know, the SAVE Act has not yet passed.
00:16:37.660And Senator Kennedy from Louisiana has been one of the main proponents of, hey, let's get that passed.
00:17:00.960The FISA Act is where they're just reauthorizing certain types of surveillance procedures and trying to actually hopefully.
00:17:11.500I know a lot of people are against that, and I understand that because essentially it allows the government, in theory, to spy on U.S. citizens.
00:17:19.540Now, hopefully they're just doing that on people that are, you know, violating the law or people that are here illegally or things like that, potential terrorists.
00:17:29.060But back on the SAVE Act, here's the four things it requires, all right?
00:17:33.440Documented proof of U.S. citizenship for voter registration, in-person submission of proof of citizenship, continual voter list maintenance,
00:17:42.000meaning that when people move from one state to the other, we need to update those voter lists so that people can't vote in two different states.
00:17:50.880Or if they passed away or their name has changed, maybe they got married or they got divorced, their name changed.
00:17:56.400And then also when they go to vote, you have to have a photo ID to vote.
00:18:01.120And again, it's so silly that we're even talking about this.
00:18:04.660You know, almost every American at one time or another has to go through some security mechanism where they have to have an ID,
00:18:10.920whether it's on an airplane or in a government building or things like that.
00:18:14.380So us requiring that does not seem like much to ask.
00:18:18.940But I agree that we should try to pass that, even if it's through budget reconciliation, where we only need 51 votes.
00:18:26.660And I know that they'll try to stop that, but I think Kennedy's on the right track there.
00:18:31.960Now, there were a couple of questions that came in from listeners related to elections.
00:18:36.160And the first one from Betty Ann says, what needs to change for us to win the midterms?
00:18:41.340Well, we need to get the Iran thing taken care of, all right, so that gas prices will go back down.
00:18:46.440And we're going to talk about that in just a minute.
00:18:48.820And we also make sure that we're messaging properly.
00:18:52.900Remember, the midterms are not a national vote.
00:18:56.840They're an individual state and individual congressional district vote.
00:19:01.300And so we need to make sure that in those particular districts, whatever issue it is, and most of the districts are not actually competitive.
00:19:10.080Most of them are either pretty far Republican or pretty far Democrat.
00:19:12.760But those in the middle, that'll make the difference in the majority.
00:19:15.820We need to make sure we understand what those issues are in that particular district.
00:19:20.160What might be an issue here in the Dallas area may be different than it is in the Kansas City area or vice versa.
00:19:26.760So just make sure that the way that we win those is that we get our messaging out.
00:19:32.420You know, things like, hey, wages are up six percent, which is more than they have been in the last three years.
00:19:38.100Overall, the economy is doing very, very well.
00:19:40.560We do have the thing going on with the gas prices now, but overall, the economy is doing well.
00:19:44.560People that want to work are working and the wages are up from what they have been.
00:19:49.020So that's the message we have to take.
00:19:50.660And then someone asked, and I feel bad for who I think is Linda, is that should I just vote for the best Democrat if I live in a blue county in a local election?
00:20:00.740Well, first of all, if they have the opportunity to vote for a Republican, then you should vote for the conservative, right?
00:20:08.260The one that boasts fits your views, which I assume you're conservative.
00:20:10.980If it gets down to two Democrats, you don't want to stay home.
00:20:15.480I agree that you should vote for the Democrat that has most, if at all, aligned with your views.
00:20:22.540It's hard to find a conservative Democrat these days, but sometimes because elections are binary, you have to vote for the lesser of two evils.
00:21:57.340I hope that they will go ahead and extend it.
00:21:59.760But the big talk lately has been about the Strait of Hormuz, which is the little area that connects, you know, the Red Sea and the Strait of Oman and all of that through the Indian Ocean and trying to keep that open because that's a huge shipping route.
00:22:15.100Now, in the past, Iran has used blackmail against companies to be able to go through there and they've charged them and all these types of things.
00:22:24.800And so recently what we did is we put a naval blockade on all of the Iranian ports so that
00:22:32.360Iran could not send their ships out of there.
00:22:35.800And the goal of that was to cut off their money supply.
00:22:39.700Well, of course, they hadn't liked that either.
00:22:42.160And so they've tried to say, well, we're going to close the Strait of Hormuz.
00:22:45.820Well, they don't have the capability to close the Strait of Hormuz.
00:22:48.480Let me explain this to you real quickly.
00:22:50.940The Strait of Hormuz does have some mines in it, some mines in the water, and Iran can fly some drones.
00:22:58.780However, the U.S. Navy has the ability to clean all of those things out.
00:23:03.940But what we're trying to do is to avoid further casualties, and not just for us, but we really would like to avoid casualties on both sides, and that's why we're trying so hard to negotiate with them.
00:23:16.740However, a lot of the reason that the traffic has slowed down, for example, there were, you know, 24 ships on Saturday, 30 ships on Sunday.
00:23:26.880And the reason for that primarily is because insurance companies that insure these ships, they do not want to insure them going through that strait when there's danger there.
00:23:39.540And so Iran, I think, took some pot shots at a couple of the ships and what have you.
00:24:30.680It's in our capabilities to be able to get that open, and we will get that open no matter what it takes,0.60
00:24:38.880even if it does take us going back and doing some more bombing of some of their facilities.
00:24:43.840Now, I noticed they came out yesterday and said, hey, we've got a secret weapon that we are, you know, another idea on how we're going to be able to fight back against America.
00:24:53.820Don't believe that. That's just that's just that's just rhetoric.
00:24:57.420OK, it's another red herring where they're simply trying to delay, delay, delay.
00:25:02.860And so they can build back up their forces or whatever it is they're doing.
00:27:26.660He felt, and I agree with him, and even the United Nations atomic energy affiliate agrees that Iran had 60 percent enriched uranium, which would just take a few weeks to get that to 90 percent to make it available for nuclear warheads.
00:27:44.160So he believed that there was a threat to America, just like President Obama did in some of the things that he did.0.61
00:27:49.800And President Bush, all the presidents have done that.
00:27:51.920So I don't believe that the War Powers Act has to come into play there.
00:27:58.520Secondly, war on Iran and the effects on the economy.
00:33:08.960And I know what the other side basically are thinking, because I have people in my, not
00:33:13.600my immediate family, but extended family, that I know what they believe.
00:33:17.160they believe that the ends justifies the means, and they believe he's such an evil person that
00:33:22.260no matter what you have to do to get rid of him, then that's okay. You know what? Even if you
00:33:28.640believe that he's an evil, evil person, which I do not, I think he's done a lot of really good
00:33:34.100things. It doesn't mean I agree with him on everything, as we've talked about before,
00:33:37.180but he's done a lot of good things. His policies have been much more in line with what I believe
00:33:41.740than any other president, maybe since President Reagan, the way that we have attacked him or the
00:33:49.680way that he has been attacked is absolutely illegal. It's not the way our system works.
00:33:55.460Our system, for sure, allows us to elect people that are not good people. And if you think he's
00:34:01.900a bad person, I get it. Don't vote for him. You didn't. But don't do methods like Director
00:34:08.420Gabbard talks about in here, and don't do all the other things that you tried to do in New York,
00:34:12.700that you tried to do in Georgia. All of those types of things are that James Comey tried to do,
00:34:17.880right? I mean, it's just absolutely ridiculous. But look at the graphic that Director Gabbard0.96
00:34:24.620put out. I want to talk about that for just a second. All right, so this is a graphic that
00:34:30.180she put out, which I think is pretty well done. It highlights the weaponized whistleblower process,
00:34:36.040observing that the inspector, the investigation relied on secondhand evidence and self-declared
00:34:45.020Democrat whistleblower who lied about speaking with Democrats in Congress. So they were behind
00:34:51.080the scenes. This whistleblower was talking to Democrats in Congress. It also notes that
00:34:55.940Russiagate author was a key witness. So remember the whole Russiagate type of thing that they
00:35:01.780you know, said Russia was helping President Trump, you know, beat Hillary Clinton, which
00:35:06.760proved not to be the case. Even Mueller couldn't figure that out. The special prosecutor. One of
00:35:12.920the key sources was co-authors of the 2017 Russia hoax. He was also a close colleague of the
00:35:20.060discredited and former FBI agent Peter Strzok. You remember Peter and the pictures and the text
00:35:24.960messages with he and his little girly friend. And then furthermore, Gabbert notes of false
00:35:29.620narratives was used for impeachment. The inspector general exceeded its statutory authority and
00:35:35.300ignored DOJ guidance. In fact, when the inspector general, as she said, sent it to the DOJ, they
00:35:40.820said there's nothing here. But then he went to Congress anyway. And so this matter has now been
00:35:46.780referred to the Department of Justice with potential charges, including false statements,
00:35:51.220obstruction and conspiracy. I hope that they're able to put some of the people in jail over this.
00:35:57.220It's probably doubtful the way this seems to work out, but I sure hope so.
00:36:01.340We need to send a strong message on the types of taxes that you use against duly elected officials.
00:36:08.240Now, speaking of duly elected officials, we had a couple of resignations this week in Congress.
00:36:14.580And one of them, one of them was just awesome.
00:36:19.020Representative Eric Swalwell, Democrat from California, resigned because of that.
00:36:25.480He's running for governor of California, and he resigned because of all the charges against him for sexual misconduct.
00:36:35.260And also Representative Tony Gonzalez, a Republican, Swalwell's a Democrat.
00:36:40.480And Swalwell was probably going to win the nomination for governor, but man, bad guy.
00:36:45.700Remember, he also had a girlfriend or a wife that was affiliated with Chinese government or something like that.
00:36:52.460Somehow, there was some link in there.
00:36:54.400I'm not 100% sure on that, but there was some linkage in there.
00:36:58.600But they both resigned because there were motions to expel them on the floor.
00:37:05.140And Gonzalez, if you remember Tony Gonzalez, he had an affair with a staffer, and the staffer ended up committing suicide, burned herself to death, which is—that was a troubled young woman, which is very sad.
00:37:17.680But we've got a video of their resignations.
00:37:20.540It has been my privilege to serve the residents of Texas' 23rd Congressional District.
00:37:25.880Signed sincerely, Tony Gonzalez, Member of Congress.
00:37:29.400I am deeply sorry to my family, staff, and constituents for mistakes in judgment I've
00:38:11.960I mean, he kind of wants to admit it, but then doesn't really want to admit it, right?
00:38:15.340The sexual allegations go back to 2018, and I promise you, people like Nancy Pelosi and others had at least heard of this and through their silence had protected him.
00:38:28.800He reimbursed himself more than $200,000 in campaign funds for child care.
00:38:37.620I mean, I'm not sure you should be able to use campaign funds for child care.
00:38:44.140And he had other expenses that were included, alcohol deliveries, hotel rooms, Ubers, paying his live-in nanny, who didn't have authorization to work in the United States.
00:38:59.160And when did they decide he needed to drop out of the California governor's race?
00:39:02.280Well, I think what happened is they were so afraid if we don't get him out of the race now, it's kind of like they did with Joe Biden.
00:39:08.040If we don't get him out of the race now, then all these allegations are going to come out in the general election and we're going to put a Republican in the governor's mansion, which they might do anyway.
00:39:19.100Steve Hilston could very well win that.
00:39:21.800It's not likely because California is such a Democrat state, but that could happen.
00:39:27.600And Tony Gonzalez, Republican, you know, military veteran, really hate that for him.
00:39:34.480But he made mistakes and he needs to move on.
00:39:37.420We don't need to have people like that representing us in Congress, whether they're at the state level or the national level or whatever.
00:39:44.580We don't need that here in Texas in our Senate races.
00:39:48.380We don't need it in our House of Representative races, and we don't need it anywhere in our government.
00:39:53.940Also, one final one is that Department of Labor Secretary Lori Chavez de Rimmer, which is hard to say, she has resigned.
00:40:04.360and she was Trump's labor secretary, and she stepped down from her position on Monday
00:40:10.000amid a probe into her alleged use of government-funded travel to visit friends and family,
00:40:16.060which again, innocent until proven guilty, but I didn't hear her denying any of these things.
00:40:22.240The report claims that Chavez de Rimmer had staffers falsify government trips and destinations
00:40:27.920she wished to visit on her personal time, also accused her of drinking in her office
00:40:32.280during work hours and having an extramarital affair with a security guard, and also talked
00:40:37.520about her husband having inappropriate conduct with some of her staffers. So I don't know what's
00:40:42.560going on in that relationship, but no matter what type of labor secretary she was, it's good that
00:40:48.540she has moved on, and now Kevin Sunderland will serve as the acting labor secretary.
00:40:53.240A couple of questions here at the end that relate from listeners, that come back to listeners
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00:41:09.280people in our government because remember there's in government and in politics, there's never a
00:41:14.120vacuum. It's always somebody's going to fill it. And if good people don't run, bad people will
00:41:21.320every single time. So I hope that some of you that are listening to this, whether you want to do it
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00:42:41.020okay as we finish up before we get into ally's interview that you're going to love
00:42:50.620talk a little bit it's a couple of financial questions if we've been in our starter home
00:42:55.260for 10 years, should we move and give up a 2.7 interest rate? I wouldn't do that yet. 2.7%
00:43:01.940interest rate is probably the lowest that we've seen. There may be a few of you out there that
00:43:05.700got a little bit lower, but that's pretty hard to beat. So I would stay there for now. Now,
00:43:11.320if you come across a really good deal, just remember that your interest rate is going to
00:43:15.840double. Now, maybe you've made enough equity to where when you think about that, you'll not have
00:43:22.800to have as much of a mortgage this next time. And so the payment may end up being about the same.
00:43:29.040And so your total interest payments over your mortgage time might be about the same as what
00:43:33.480you're doing now. But I wouldn't be in a rush to do that. I mean, I think that 2.7% interest rate
00:43:39.240is pretty hard to beat. Housing is just so disheartening. What do you predict? Well,
00:43:44.400again, I think it'll get better. And one of the reasons I think it'll get better,
00:43:48.440Even though we have like a 10 million unit housing shortage in America, I read the other day, because that we've shut off the border, the demand will just naturally go down.
00:44:02.080And that should lower, at least make more reasonable some prices.
00:44:05.800And I also believe that we're going to see over the long term, maybe not until we get through this Iran thing, we're going to see interest rates kind of come back a little bit.
00:44:14.640They won't be go back to like, you won't get any more 2.7% mortgages, I don't think, but they may come down to where it's around 5%, somewhere in that for mortgage.
00:44:22.420And that would be a good rate, by the way.
00:44:24.040I know you can get between 5% and 6% now, but I think they could get back down to 5%, but it's expensive.
00:44:31.140And one of the things I'll tell you, if you live in a very expensive blue or in a blue state, or even some of the red ones in the suburban areas are very expensive,
00:44:40.960you really may need to consider moving to a less expensive area.
00:44:44.640I mean, between taxes and everything in the blue states, I would definitely get out of the blue states if I'm you.
00:44:50.220I would definitely get out of there and try to get to a cost of living state that's much more manageable for your family based on the income that you make.
00:44:59.240And then how did you show your kids financial stewardship?
00:45:05.040Yeah, and, you know, we certainly weren't perfect at this as well.
00:45:08.200But I think what we tried to show them, first of all, that we don't own any of it, that it all comes from God.
00:45:14.060and that we're really just stewards of it.
00:45:16.540And we absolutely preach from day one that we give a portion of our first fruits back to the kingdom,
00:45:28.200whether that's through our local church, which we believe in doing, and through other organizations as well.
00:45:36.000And then we also wanted to make sure that they knew that the money that they were given by us was not their money.
00:45:43.560And it's not something that they earned or had a right to.
00:45:47.260And that when they wanted something, we wanted them to earn that either through doing things or getting their own job or something like that.
00:45:56.620But I think they watched us not live at the very top of our ability.
00:46:02.660We always tried to live under our means.
00:46:05.740And I think watching that has allowed—I'm proud of the stewardship that our adult kids have shown.
00:46:10.940They've done a really good job at that.
00:46:12.380neither one of them that have their own places live above their means. And, uh, you know, they
00:46:17.480kept a bunch of old cars and things like that. So I'm proud of them for doing that. They've been
00:46:21.560very, very good about that. But I just think you have to be, you know, no matter, no matter the
00:46:26.480fact that you want to give your kids a lot. And we wonder that we invested, what we did is we
00:46:31.140invested in our kids through their Christian education, through their colleges, things like
00:46:35.780that, as opposed to just giving them stuff. We just, we just weren't into that. And it's been
00:46:40.160good being with you again i want to remind you that if you haven't had the chance to buy life
00:46:46.440lessons from the little red wagon i think it's a great book that you'll enjoy we told some real
00:46:50.280good stories in here and some lessons there are lessons in here on that may help you in your family
00:46:55.500in your life we've got a lot of requests for these books i'm happy to happy to send you one that is
00:47:00.480signed by me and i think the cost of the book is 20 bucks you can you can email me to get this or
00:47:05.620You can just get it off of Allie's Allie's website, merchandise website.
00:47:10.020And, you know, Allie just did a great episode with David French and Allie of last week.
00:47:15.040You need to go watch that because he evidently wrote a couple of articles in the New York Times that was trashing Allie's thoughts on empathy.
00:47:23.080And, you know, New York Times bestseller book, Toxic Empathy, is something that if you haven't got, you need to get.
00:47:28.780But that episode is incredible because Allie just, you know, she's so much like her mother in that she's kind.
00:47:34.320but she's also knows what she believes. And she, I thought she did a very, very good job.
00:47:41.900But if you have a chance to get that book, and then I think you're going to really like this
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00:48:59.720Alley. Pavey, Jeremy, thank you both so much for joining us. Pavey, just a couple of weeks ago,
00:49:11.180the Supreme Court in Finland found that you are guilty of what they called hate speech. Can you
00:49:16.660just remind us of the substance of this conviction? What did you say that was apparently so hateful?
00:49:23.280At first, this has been a very long process. It started almost seven years ago from a Bible tweet that I published in regard of human sexuality.
00:49:41.360It was a Twitter update that was against the Evangelical Lutheran Church that had announced its support to the Pride event.
00:49:55.680So when this process started, there became more and more criminal complaints and charges against my views about, I would say, classical Christianity,
00:50:08.700what the Bible teaches about sexuality and homosexuality.
00:50:15.400And there was a pamphlet that I had written already 20 years ago,
00:50:22.520which was titled as Male and Female He Created Them.
00:50:29.700And the Supreme Court found me guilty for authoring this booklet.
00:50:36.700The ruling was mixed. I was happy that it acquitted unanimously me for publishing the Bible tweet where I took a photo from the book of Romans, its first chapter.
00:50:57.420Right. So it was it was a mixed ruling. But of course, I was disappointed for for conviction for my pamphlet, for the church booklet that I had.
00:51:11.840Yeah, I mean, people, I think, really need to understand that what's going on here is Christian views about human sexuality held by millions of people across the world have been declared hate speech under Finnish law.
00:51:29.360And so that's a startling outcome in the case.
00:51:33.160Another thing that's so strange about the case is how hard the court had to work to convict Pivey for a 2004 pamphlet.
00:51:40.160But they convicted her under a law that didn't even exist at the time she published that pamphlet.
00:51:46.180So they had to retroactively apply the law to something she wrote years and years ago.
00:51:51.100It's like being punished for something you tweeted in 2020 or 2010, 2004, and suddenly you're held responsible for it because some law came on the books 10 years after your tweet came out.
00:52:05.520It's pretty audacious and very concerning for free speech.
00:52:09.700And Jeremy, can you explain why Pyvee was acquitted for the tweet?
00:52:15.420Romans 1, very clear, as you said, millions of Christians around the world for 2,000 years
00:52:20.680have held to the Bible, including what Romans 1 says about male and female and sexuality.
00:52:38.960Well, this is exactly the problem with hate speech laws. They're completely inscrutable. Nobody knows what they mean. People who are subject to them, like Harvey, don't know what they mean. They don't know what they can and can't say. But the government officials applying it don't know what they mean either. And they're just like subjectively coming up with whatever they think they want to do and using the law, which is completely vague and gives no direction to the enforcement officers or to the people who are governed by it, what they can do or what they can say.
00:53:05.760And so I think, you know, I can't answer your question except to say, I think, you know, what we had here was three separate prosecutions of Pivey for her religious expression about human sexuality.
00:53:22.440And they were determined somehow to get a conviction against her.
00:53:26.440And unfortunately, they finally were at the Finnish Supreme Court.
00:53:29.540And the Finnish Supreme Court, as I described, had to do some pretty amazing legal gymnastics to even reach back and punish her for something that the law didn't even apply to.
00:53:39.940It didn't even exist at the time she wrote the pamphlet.
00:53:42.500So, I mean, it's a story of why we don't have hate speech laws in the U.S.
00:53:46.880And it's because they are just enforced at the whim of the government officials who are wielding them.
00:53:53.680And that's not a place where free speech can thrive.
00:53:56.800Right. And before we go back to Pivey, Jeremy, can you tell me what is the consequence of this conviction?
00:54:03.320Well, Pivey has been fined and it's a criminal. So this is under the war crimes code of Finnish law.
00:54:11.320So it's a criminal conviction under war crimes for ultimately hate speech.
00:54:16.400And essentially the conviction is essentially something like you've offended a protected group of people.
00:54:22.700And so, you know, that's like you can't even criticize people or express a view that people might find offensive.
00:54:28.860And that's essentially what's going on here.
00:54:30.760If somebody thinks that your expression is offensive to any person, any group of people that's protected under finished law, then you could be subject to free speech prosecution, prosecutions for your freedom of speech as well.
00:54:46.760And have we seen others deal with this same kind of prosecutorial punishment? Does it seem to be Christians who are singled out? Have Muslims also dealt with this kind of targeting from the Finnish government?
00:55:01.560it? Well, I think you have to broaden the scope and maybe probably have something to say here too,
00:55:06.540but across Europe, this is a huge problem. You know, in the UK, 12,000 arrests over the last
00:55:14.440couple of years each year for what people are posting online. And that's led to thousands of
00:55:21.120convictions each year for people's expression online, whether they're opposing, you know,
00:55:25.240immigration policies in the UK or, you know, some other aspect of what the UK is doing. What we've
00:55:29.900seen across Europe is European officials don't want to be criticized. They don't want views that
00:55:36.760they find to be unpopular or that they disfavor to be able to be expressed online or even on the
00:55:46.460public square of the streets and sidewalks of the cities of Europe. And so we're at the beginning,
00:55:52.460I think, edge of an existential free speech crisis in Europe. Pivey's case is one very
00:55:58.940extreme example of that. Paivi, do you have anything to add to that?
00:56:04.200Yes, I think that the main target of these processes, they have been really the Christian
00:56:10.840view of man. For example, we have had in Finland a case where a Muslim imam said in TV that
00:56:20.720homosexual people should be stoned if they have found. And they didn't prosecute or file up
00:56:30.160charges against him. But what I have said in pamphlet has not been anything cruel against
00:56:38.660homosexual people. I have said only that God has created all people as his own image and we all
00:56:47.560are equal, but it is the God's creation and intention that the human sexuality is between
00:56:58.180male and female, and the marriage is just intended between man and woman. And the Supreme
00:57:08.840Court has stated that if you say that the homosexuality is some kind of deviation from
00:57:17.580normal sexuality, then you think that these people are inferior to other people and it is hate speech.
00:57:25.000So this was the core of the ruling of the Supreme Court. And I think that it is against
00:57:32.780a Christian view of man. And that's why it is also a matter of not only freedom of speech,
00:57:42.560but also freedom of faith. Definitely. And here you are again saying the very things that have
00:57:50.280been convicted in Finland of hate speech. And so tell me why you have decided to push back against
00:57:56.240this, why you've decided to fight, why you've decided to keep declaring these things that God
00:58:01.420says are true when you could easily just say, you know what, I'm going to go quiet. I'm going to
00:58:06.320back down. I'll pay my fine and this will all be over. Yes, I have to tell that in the beginning
00:58:13.760when the police started the interrogations, they gave me two weeks time to take away these writings.
00:58:21.480But I said that these are not only my opinions. This is what the word of God says. It is what
00:58:29.140apostle paul has said so it is not only my opinion and i think that we are now living in
00:58:36.060that kind of time that we have to be open about our faith also in these contradictory issues and
00:58:43.420what has given a big joy to me is that this has given a lot of possibilities and chances
00:58:52.440to tell about what Bible teaches about these things,
01:02:48.820Well, this is a really important question, because I think Americans think, well, I'm
01:02:52.680glad that's not happening here. But here's the problem. This ruling immediately threatens
01:02:58.680American speech, and here's why. Finland's part of the European Union. The European Union's
01:03:04.480mechanism for exporting the hate speech laws of member states like Finland is called the Digital
01:03:10.760Services Act. And what that does is make it illegal now, because Peavy's Christian speech0.91
01:03:17.280about sexual ethics is illegal in Finland, it's also illegal on every U.S. platform,
01:03:23.880Meta, Facebook, Google, and YouTube, all of it, because of the DSA. The DSA, the Digital Services
01:03:31.800Act, exports those policies to the American companies by directly regulating them and telling
01:03:37.320them, you have to take down illegal content, content that we deem illegal in the EU. And so
01:03:43.820So the companies are under extraordinary pressure and coercive threat of coercive fines, 6% of their global revenue.
01:03:52.220You're talking billions and billions of dollars in fines hanging over their heads if they don't do the European Union's censorship bidding.
01:04:01.540And so I think it's hard for Americans.
01:04:03.400Sometimes they look at this like this is a terrible situation, but I'm really grateful it's not happening here.
01:04:08.140The DSA brings this ruling immediately to U.S. shores, to U.S. speech on U.S. platforms.
01:04:14.620And the EU thinks it doesn't matter where you live or who you are.
01:04:17.980If your speech reaches into the EU and somebody in the EU is offended by it, then they will tell the platforms to take that speech down.
01:04:28.460So this is, you know, the world is now governed and people speak, right, on a handful of platforms across the world.
01:04:37.280Our digital public square is controlled by a handful of companies, and the European Commission is trying to make sure that those companies abide by European standards of free speech.
01:04:46.860Those are not the First Amendment standards by any stretch, as this case clearly shows.
01:04:52.380The EU wants to shut down speech they disagree with, whether it's Christian speech or speech opposing immigration or, you know, they have speech that says you can't insult politicians in Germany.
01:05:02.540And so all of those laws in the EU can be enforced against American platforms and American speech.
01:05:11.480And I think really critically important here, Christian speech affirming centuries-long ethics related to the sexual morality issues is now illegal in Finland.
01:05:23.220And so that gives the EU all the authority they need to go to the platforms and say, you need to ratchet this speech down on your platforms or we're going to fine you 6% of your global revenue.
01:05:36.680So can we advocate that our lawmakers help us out?
01:05:40.340I mean, are we completely powerless to do anything?
01:05:43.700No, we're not powerless, but it's going to take a partisan move.
01:05:46.500I think it's really at Congress to pass a law that says, look, these companies do not need to comply with EU censorship demands.
01:05:54.580The Trump administration is actually doing a lot of really good work here.
01:05:57.740They're trying to leverage trade negotiations and other things with the EU to make sure that some of the excesses of the Digital Services Act don't spill over and harm American platforms and speech.
01:06:09.300But the reality is the law on its face was written to govern U.S. platforms and to force them to bend the knee to European censorship demands.
01:06:18.700And we need laws in place in the U.S. that say our companies don't have to comply with that.
01:06:23.500We want U.S. companies to comply with U.S. law, and that includes U.S. First Amendment standards.