Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1356 ｜ America Has 37 Years Left — Unless We Make This Change ｜ Seth Gruber

00:00:00.360 Those who don't know history, including church history, are doomed to repeat it.

00:00:05.020 Seth Gruber is here today.

00:00:06.360 He is the author of Last Stand.

00:00:08.900 He is the leader of the organization White Rose Resistance, and he has a powerful call

00:00:13.500 for us as Christians today to understand what our legacy is in fighting against the darkness

00:00:18.940 of this age as we are staring in the face of infanticide, abortion, sexual depravity.

00:00:24.400 What is our role in all of this spiritually and politically?

00:00:28.740 This is such an encouraging call to action by Seth.

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00:00:46.840 seth thanks so much for taking the time to join us okay first you have to tell everyone

00:01:00.600 what your shirt is and why you're making this declaration at this time that's right yeah june 0.91

00:01:08.460 is life month okay it's not uh it's not gay sex month it's not sodomy month it's not rainbow cult 0.98

00:01:15.860 month. By the way, Roe v. Wade got overturned in June, which is like just my favorite thing, 0.78

00:01:20.940 you know? So June is literally life month. But not only that, people forget, Allie, that

00:01:27.280 the overturning of Roe v. Wade on June 24th in the church calendar is the nativity of St. John

00:01:34.820 the Baptist. That's right, evangelicals. We have a church calendar. It's okay. Let's admit it as

00:01:40.060 evangelicals. We suck at the church calendar. We know more about it. It's not even a Catholic 0.99

00:01:44.680 thing. Okay. This is a, this is a Christian thing to have high holy days in Christian festivals.

00:01:48.980 And so we know more about like the LGBTQ LMNOP liturgical feasts of the religion of humanism

00:01:55.080 these days than we know about our own faith. Well, one of those is the nativity of St. John

00:01:58.980 the Baptist on every June 24th is when Christians celebrate and remember this teenager named Mary

00:02:05.660 going to visit her cousin Elizabeth. And as they're sipping back on tea, celebrating what

00:02:09.860 God's doing in their individual uteruses, the prenatal John the Baptist starts doing backflips

00:02:14.940 in the uterus because he recognizes the humanity and divinity of his prenatal deity, second member

00:02:20.200 of the Trinity God man. But because God had slept together in the womb, Psalm 139, fearfully and

00:02:24.940 wonderfully made, your frame was not hidden from me when you were woven together in the depths of

00:02:28.640 the earth. My eyes saw your unformed substance before any of them came to be. And so because

00:02:32.880 Fauci told us to follow the science and Jesus is not fully God and fully human from the moment of

00:02:37.000 birth, he's fully God and fully human from the moment of conception, then that is the creator

00:02:40.980 of the universe who once breathed out the freaking Milky Way in Mary's womb, which meaning that the

00:02:45.680 prenatal deity, second member of the Trinity God man is knitting the prenatal John the Baptist

00:02:49.860 together in the womb while he's knitting himself together in the womb, while he's knitting himself

00:02:54.000 together in the womb of a woman whose uterus he once knit together when he knit together Mary in 0.53

00:02:58.560 the womb of Mary's mother. So the death sentence of preborn children gets overturned in the church 0.52

00:03:03.920 calendar on the day where we celebrate two unborn babies, one of whom is God and the Savior. So

00:03:10.240 June is not life month because Seth and Allie tell you so. June is life month because the

00:03:15.540 greatest former fetus who ever existed, who entered human history in a uterus to redeem

00:03:19.280 mankind from their sins, says it is life month. Oh my goodness. Seth, how in the world do you do 0.50

00:03:25.260 that? I just love that that's how we just ran straight into this interview. That was perfect.

00:03:31.960 Okay, tell me, I mean, this is relevant to, yes, that's relevant to what you just said.

00:03:37.980 I mean, there's so much at stake right now, always, but it seems especially in this moment,

00:03:42.980 not only do we have a month celebrating all kinds of sexual depravity, we've got people

00:03:48.160 that are still pushing harder than ever for abortion.

00:03:50.480 We've got the abortion pill that's still circulating.

00:03:52.860 So we've got tens of thousands of these unborn lives that are still being snuffed out.

00:03:57.900 But at the same time, I see the courage and clarity of Christians like I have not seen

00:04:03.780 in the past decade or so.

00:04:06.000 I can't speak for all of the generations past, but it seems to me that there are a lot of

00:04:10.660 Christians now who are willing to say, okay, like we've reached the point to where I'm

00:04:15.860 not willing to sit down and sit by and just be comfortable. 0.72

00:04:18.680 And you've kind of dubbed this moment the last stand, right?

00:04:22.980 And even without knowing that you've dubbed this moment that I think a lot of Christians

00:04:27.240 feel that way. So tell us, give us the lay of the land. How do you see this moment right now

00:04:32.820 and Christian's role in it? Yeah, it is a last stand moment,

00:04:38.260 Ali, and I'll get into all of that, but it's not red meat for the base. It's not a Republican

00:04:43.220 talking point. It's easy to, you know, rile people up into a frenzy, right? That's not difficult to

00:04:48.460 do with, you know, patriots who understand that like America seems to be, you know, collapsing

00:04:54.200 in on itself. It's not difficult to get people all ticked off or fired up for righteousness,

00:04:58.920 to write your ministry large checks or to come march at a rally. But this is not just like

00:05:03.560 rhetorical ascent. This is quite literally a last stand moment. Neil Ferguson, the celebrated

00:05:10.680 historian, Ali puts it this way. He says, my sense is that history has always been against

00:05:18.040 any republic lasting 250 years so this american republic is in its last republican phase i mean

00:05:27.320 that's a little bit like scary to think about right um and it's also incredible to be alive

00:05:31.880 in this moment in this 250th year and by the way it's okay to celebrate america guys okay like i

00:05:36.760 am buying this incredible ar-15 shotgun platform this summer ali and me and my wife we've been

00:05:42.760 working out so that we can i want to wear a red white and blue wife beater and like dress some 0.75

00:05:47.080 scarecrows up as old communists with tannerite and blow them up it's okay to love america because

00:05:51.960 that's an extension of your love of family that's all okay but to celebrate america this 250th 1.00

00:05:57.640 while simultaneously doing nothing to tear down the high places of weird gay sex stuff 0.99

00:06:03.960 and baby killing would merely be um the uh decoration of a coffin that we're unwilling to 0.99

00:06:12.680 admit we're already carrying okay this is literally a last stand moment and there's this shocking um 0.83

00:06:20.760 work that was done i have the book uh over there but i don't want to walk off camera called sex

00:06:25.800 and culture by jd unwin i think i've mentioned maybe this to you um before ali but he's been

00:06:31.880 absolutely buried by the liberal academic left because his findings his research his conclusions

00:06:39.880 are a total indictment on secular liberalism and the false promises of the sexual revolution which 0.97

00:06:46.440 if i could summarize the false promises of the sexual revolution it would be this um orgasms 0.99

00:06:51.560 without responsibility that you can have you can have orgasms without responsibility and so he's

00:06:57.240 been totally buried in fact i went viral with our friends at cross politic on their show at amfest

00:07:03.720 and the reel went out on a 2.5 million views and i got meta fact checked by going through the data

00:07:09.160 data, the info I'm about to give your listeners right now, Ali. And it basically said, fact

00:07:12.780 check, Seth Gruber's wrong. There's no proof that a society that adopts total sexual freedom

00:07:18.420 eventually collapses. There's no evidence of that. And so J.D. Unwin writes this book in 1934,

00:07:24.260 so 92 years ago. It's called Sex and Culture. It's a study. It's not very fun reading. It's

00:07:31.760 very dense. And he gives you his research methods, his conclusions. And he looks at 86 civilizations

00:07:36.340 over a 5,000 year period of time.

00:07:39.280 And he asked the question,

00:07:40.600 what causes civilizations to rise and thrive

00:07:43.220 and what causes civilizations to decline and fall

00:07:46.900 and be replaced?

00:07:49.340 And he says that there is not one exception to this rule,

00:07:53.300 that civilizations that paired prenuptial chastity

00:07:57.820 with absolute monogamy

00:07:59.840 created the strongest civilizations in history

00:08:03.940 and lasted the longest.

00:08:06.340 These civilizations, he says, Ali, gave us the best art, food, architecture, standing armies, families, art.

00:08:17.380 Just go down the line, okay?

00:08:19.600 Then in the inverse, he said there's not an exception to the inverse rule that societies that adopted and what's this?

00:08:26.460 codified total sexual freedom collapsed within 90 to 100 years and were freaking replaced by

00:08:37.980 another civilization that still possessed what he called that great social energy. And you're like,

00:08:44.140 wait, hold on a second. 86 civilizations over 5,000 years and there's not an exception to that

00:08:49.660 rule? Wait, so if you flout Genesis 1 through 3 and you try to flip God off and you say, no,

00:08:55.520 we're going to literally defy how you define the gender binary, correct expression of sexuality,

00:09:02.220 procreation, and sanctity of life, that God punishes nations. Interesting. It reminds me

00:09:07.680 of this line from George Mason, Ali. He's the father of the Bill of Rights. And he said,

00:09:12.500 as nations cannot be rewarded or punished in the next world, so they must be in this.

00:09:19.560 by an inevitable chain of causes and effects,

00:09:24.340 providence punishes national sins by national calamities.

00:09:30.000 It's like, oh, right, right.

00:09:32.540 God's not judging nations on the day of judgment.

00:09:35.140 He's judging individuals.

00:09:36.300 So he punishes nations now

00:09:38.860 when they defy the invisible rules

00:09:41.720 written into the fabric of the universe.

00:09:44.520 So the key point from J.D. Unwin's research, Ali, was this.

00:09:48.600 It was the codification of what he called total sexual freedom that started a century

00:09:55.520 long clock ticking down to civilizational replacement.

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00:11:15.200 So is it a last stand moment? 0.72

00:11:17.200 Well, when did America embrace total sexual freedom?

00:11:20.800 Okay, that's the question I want to ask. 0.94

00:11:22.260 If there's not an exception to that freaking rule,

00:11:25.040 I think we should try to find a date, Ali, 0.58

00:11:27.920 of when America codified and adopted total sexual freedom.

00:11:31.920 And most people ask that question too,

00:11:34.040 and feel free to interrupt me anytime, by the way.

00:11:35.880 They say like, oh, the hippies,

00:11:38.520 maybe the flower children in the 60s or something.

00:11:41.140 And that's like, yeah, that probably sounds right.

00:11:42.780 Or maybe Madeleine Murray O'Hare removing the Bible and prayer from schools.

00:11:46.500 It's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're on to it for sure.

00:11:48.400 But I'm trying to get to J.D. Unwin's, no exception to this rule, codification of total

00:11:54.160 sexual freedom.

00:11:55.100 And so I think it was 1973 that America began its 90 to 100 year ticking clock to civilizational

00:12:02.560 suicide and then being replaced by another civilization with greater social energy.

00:12:06.660 And I have three reasons for that.

00:12:08.540 Obviously, you're thinking, OK, Roe v. Wade, your listeners, obviously, OK.

00:12:12.100 So now, in one way, that shouldn't surprise us, because there's not a civilization in the history of our recorded species that did not exercise ritualistic child sacrifice in some way, shape or form, which should be like pretty shocking.

00:12:26.200 But what makes Roe v. Wade shocking to America?

00:12:30.780 Because we're the most powerful child of the Reformation.

00:12:34.100 America was birthed by Protestant pastors preaching that resistance to tyranny is obedience

00:12:40.200 to God for a century before 1776, where you had to prove your membership at a Protestant

00:12:47.200 church before you could appear on the ballot to run for public office in several of our

00:12:51.340 early colonies and states. 0.95

00:12:52.540 So given our Christian founding, yeah, codifying baby killing through all nine months of pregnancy for any reason or no reason at all in all 50 states, that is pretty significant and shocking. 0.98

00:13:03.200 So, OK, so Moloch, what else happened in 73? 0.89

00:13:07.220 The Supreme Court reversed their obscenity rules that therefore allowed the widespread and legal distribution of pornography in 1973.

00:13:18.900 People forget that.

00:13:19.800 So pornea. So let's call it Ishtar. What else happened in 73? The Endangered Species Act.

00:13:28.660 The same year we declared open season on pre-born babies, we gave more legal protections to sea

00:13:35.560 turtles and porpoises, which, by the way, reminds me of a Chesterton prophecy. And I mean,

00:13:40.340 culturally prophetic, Ali, not like I don't believe in prophets today. But Chesterton said,

00:13:45.040 wherever there is animal worship, there will be human sacrifice.

00:13:49.700 Chesterton also wrote nine months before the founding of Planned Parenthood.

00:13:53.720 He said, we are not so very far off from even the sacrifice of babies,

00:13:58.520 if not to a crocodile, at least to a creed. 0.69

00:14:03.600 So in 73, you get Moloch, Roe v. Wade, you get Baal, animal worship, 0.64

00:14:10.340 and you get Ashtoreth, weird sex porneia stuff. 0.87

00:14:14.580 That should be a little bit of an Old Testament alarm bell for the church in America that maybe we came into something of a demonic trinity, an agreement in 73, that codified total sexual freedom because you don't have total sexual freedom unless you can murder the products of your total sexual freedom. 0.99

00:14:37.700 Babies. 0.59

00:14:38.380 So that's why I think America began its 90 to 100 year clock in 73, which means we could be approaching the third and final chapter of Western civilization in this republic as we understand it today.

00:14:53.920 That should be a sobering wake up call.

00:14:56.080 That's why our festival, my book and our film that's all dedicated to Charlie is called The Last Stand.

00:15:03.140 You know, it's making me wonder if Republicans have a hard time, obviously we know where

00:15:09.720 Democrats are and all of those things, but have a hard time understanding the truth of

00:15:13.460 what you're saying, because I think for so long and for good reason, understandably so

00:15:19.040 we've emphasized the importance of liberty and you and I still very much care about the

00:15:22.980 constitution and care about liberty and the first amendment.

00:15:25.620 But I just wonder if we have said liberty at all costs and we have forgotten that

00:15:32.220 liberty that is untethered to virtue, that is untethered to the knowledge of the authority of

00:15:36.920 the creator who has given us our rights has really actually been our downfall. And that it's not just

00:15:43.240 the Democrats who openly love baby killing and all of the debauchery that you're talking about,

00:15:47.660 but also on the other side of things, like we have a political party who is just like, well,

00:15:53.020 as long as people are free to do whatever they want, then our republic will survive. But what

00:15:57.000 you're telling me is that that's not actually the pattern. It's not democracies and republics

00:16:02.260 survive when they allow people as much freedom as possible in every realm of their lives.

00:16:07.760 It is the societies that first forget that God is the authority of all things, that he has an

00:16:13.120 order that we have to follow and that liberty actually has to flow from that. It can't precede

00:16:17.580 that or else everything then gets disjointed and disordered. So like, do you see that? Do you see

00:16:22.780 that we also have a challenge as Christians with the Republican Party when it comes to the message

00:16:27.520 that you're conveying? Well, so Ali, two years ago, the GOP basically gutted their platform as it came

00:16:36.220 to the life issue and to like marriage and sexuality. People forget this. Now, Ali, you know

00:16:41.900 this, but like people forget this, how significant that was, that for decades, the Republican Party

00:16:47.180 platform. Now, were they actually fighting for some of the things in the platform? I'm about to

00:16:51.660 say, OK, we could say probably not, but at least we could hold them accountable based off of the

00:16:56.160 language and commitments in their own platform. That's what I'm saying. Great. There was language

00:17:00.620 in the GOP platform in regards to the sanctity of life to pre-born babies that called for the 14th

00:17:07.000 Amendment protections of babies. Now, we're about to drop a statement, an equal rights protection

00:17:13.100 statement at White Rose soon. We probably don't have to unpack all of that right now, Ali, but

00:17:17.580 you're a signer. It's going to shock some people, the signers on this. And it's just calling

00:17:21.620 the pro-life movement and the Republican Party back to first principles. That was in the platform,

00:17:27.040 14th Amendment protections for the pre-born, which also means if they're a person,

00:17:31.660 then there's consequences for anyone who intentionally kills what is a person.

00:17:36.280 So anyways, we'll have that debate some other time. And I know you've had Bradley Pierce on,

00:17:40.140 great brother. But the point is they gutted their language that allowed us to hold them

00:17:45.180 accountable on the civilizational issues that matter the most, the babies, the family, sexuality.

00:17:51.520 And why did that happen? Because we, the church, have not been engaged, and we've not been holding

00:17:56.960 the Republican Party establishment accountable to actually defend and stand for what Christians

00:18:02.940 believe, which starts with the family issues. So this concept you're talking about, about 0.68

00:18:07.960 valuing liberty so much that we end up sacrificing the lives of babies, what you put your finger on

00:18:13.820 is profound, Ali. It's quite brilliant. It's the same difference that Alexander Hamilton

00:18:19.900 was writing to the Marquis de Lafayette, the Frenchman who was an American hero in helping

00:18:27.160 us win the war for independence, when he talks about the difference between the French Revolution

00:18:31.100 and the American Revolution. And by the way, the French Revolution is basically a modern reprise

00:18:35.500 of the fall of Rome. It's the same issues that you see all over again. And we'll get into some

00:18:39.260 of that. But there were Jacobins who were basically thinking, hey, what we're doing in the

00:18:44.120 Palais Royale with the Marquis d'Assad in the French Revolution, what we're doing is we're

00:18:48.480 just doing what America did in 1776. And Hamilton despised that anyone was comparing the French

00:18:55.140 Revolution, which was 76, 86, 96. The French Revolution starts in 89. So like, you know,

00:19:00.640 less than 20 years after 1776. And he compared it as the difference between liberty and

00:19:05.800 licentiousness. He said, I am glad to acknowledge and believe that there is no real resemblance

00:19:12.640 between what was the cause of America and what was the cause of France, and that the difference

00:19:17.200 is no less great than the difference between liberty and licentiousness. And that's what

00:19:22.720 we've done in the conservative movement and even in the church is we have confused liberty with

00:19:27.000 license or with licentiousness so that I lose donors when I speak against big fertility or

00:19:32.300 in vitro fertilization because even pro-life Christian thinks that this is somehow a blessing

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00:20:34.360 code Allie. Let's talk about that a little bit. You talk about this concept of libido

00:20:43.780 dominandi. I think that's how you pronounce it. Tell us what that means and how does that tie

00:20:49.660 into something like abortion, IVF, sexual degeneracy, all the stuff that we're talking

00:20:53.780 about. Oh boy. Okay. So, um, it's, let's open up that can of worms, Allie. I'm glad you asked that.

00:20:59.840 Um, Augustine wrote, uh, always unrelatable. Uh, Augustine wrote in the city of God,

00:21:06.920 um, a man has as many masters as he has vices. Okay. So what does that mean? I guess that means

00:21:16.200 that by promoting vice, the regime promotes slavery, which can then be fashioned into a form

00:21:25.440 of political control. That sentence I just said, Ali Beth, is the beating heart of libido dominandi, 0.95

00:21:34.460 the lust to dominate. Dominion becomes domination when man listens to and accepts the serpent's 0.95

00:21:43.480 counterfeit kingdom. And the things that we were called to steward, right? Dominion, the dominion

00:21:48.080 mandate, which we'll get into, the things we were called to steward become the very things we are

00:21:51.780 now enslaved to. And so this is why the apostle Paul writing to Christians in Rome connects the

00:21:57.340 original lie to the city of man, right? What does he say? They exchanged the truth about God for a 0.51

00:22:03.880 lie, Romans 1, which results in worship of or slavery to created things rather than the creator,

00:22:11.780 Endangered Species Act. So a wicked man may sit on a throne, but he is controlled by his appetites.

00:22:20.120 He is enslaved to his lust, rage, jealousy, greed, sensuality. And so because he cannot master

00:22:27.480 himself, he turns his cravings outward, attempting to master others instead. And this is why tyrants

00:22:34.760 behave the way they do. I'm convinced of this now, Ali. A man enslaved to vice must project

00:22:40.800 his slavery onto the people he governs. He has to resort to domination because he has not learned

00:22:49.120 to exercise dominion. And this is so important for Christians to understand. Domination is a 1.00

00:22:54.600 reflection of your own slavery projected onto others, but dominion is a reflection of your

00:23:01.320 own stewardship exercised on behalf of others. So one is the city of man and one is the city of God,

00:23:08.880 But in each case, it reveals who or what we really worship because the tyrant must replicate his bondage and others or his authority feels threatened.

00:23:20.560 So vice, vice is contagious and tyrants work very hard to spread the infection because they know that a virtuous populace cannot be controlled.

00:23:31.760 So they have to corrupt, seduce, blackmail.

00:23:34.980 They have to weaponize lust.

00:23:36.660 and if you're thinking of Epstein good job audience but Rome understood this perfectly

00:23:43.740 at the time of Christ's birth Ali the Roman Republic had just been transformed into an empire

00:23:49.220 with a line of Caesars descending deeper and deeper into madness and what we all think of

00:23:55.080 Nero right who's infamous for blaming Christians for the great fire in Roman AD 64 executing

00:24:01.620 Christians okay horrible but I want to draw your listeners attentions to the Roman Emperor

00:24:06.100 who reigned during the events of the Book of Acts, the lesser known Caesar, to get a sense of what is 0.99

00:24:12.860 libido dominandi and how do we understand its role in the culture and in this spiritual warfare

00:24:18.500 we're in as Christians. His name is Caligula, Allie. While his reign was short, it's only four

00:24:24.220 years, it ended abruptly with his assassination in 1841. Its terror is unmatched. Josephus,

00:24:33.060 the historian, claimed that Caligula's high-minded and even-handed rule earned him

00:24:38.540 initial goodwill. But he fell super ill, Caligula. And as he recovered, it was like a different

00:24:44.920 Caligula had emerged. It was like he had undergone some almost like demonic transformation.

00:24:49.720 And within a decade of the ascension of Jesus and the foundation of the early church, Caligula's

00:24:54.780 power grew fierce. He began persecuting Christians. Many started to call Caligula insane. He became

00:25:00.780 a total sex pervert. But he was popular with the citizens because he was building buildings and 0.99

00:25:06.720 giving them lots of cool things, right? That's why Rush Limbaugh said, you can't beat Santa.

00:25:10.540 But despite this, his perversity became undeniable. According to historians Suetonius and Dio,

00:25:19.160 Allie, Caligula established a brothel in the Imperial Palace staffed by children. 0.97

00:25:27.440 now buying sex with kids should outrage us um but it often doesn't anymore um we forget the 0.98

00:25:35.560 perversity of the ancient world sexual orgies became common life in his court but there was 0.96

00:25:41.760 apparently a method to caligula's madness he he's he's remembered as this perverse um kind of like 0.55

00:25:48.480 insane ruler but that that misses the key to caligula who really codifies libido dominandi

00:25:54.680 his insanity was strategic. It was very Epstein-ish, okay? He wasn't given over to fleshly

00:26:03.280 pursuits simply because he was a sensate reprobate, although he was. Caligula correctly saw it as a

00:26:10.200 tool to control others. He believed that if he could completely corrupt the morals of the Roman 0.75

00:26:18.080 Senate, then he could control them because all their filters would be off. So Caligula forced

00:26:24.880 his sexual addictions on the imperial court. He violated wives in front of their husbands. 0.99

00:26:30.580 He debauched and had intercourse with each of his sisters. He preyed on relatives and allies alike. 0.99

00:26:36.220 And once people participated in his sexual perversion, Caligula owned them. He used their 0.60

00:26:43.400 shame as leverage, their secrets became his chains over them. This is libido dominandi in action.

00:26:53.320 If we see this as a church in America, Ali, this will change everything. Promote vice 0.97

00:26:59.520 to create addiction and then exploit addiction to secure domination. And that strategy proved

00:27:06.940 effective. He neutralized the Roman Senate, not with military might, but with seduction,

00:27:12.340 shame, and blackmail. And the rulers who followed him, Claudius, Nero, Domitian,

00:27:19.340 all adopted variations of the same playbook. And that was a playbook closely followed by

00:27:24.260 the revolutionaries across history to this day, Ali, from the Caesars of Rome, to the revolutionaries

00:27:29.420 of France, to the Russian Bolsheviks, and yes, even to eugenicists like Margaret Sanger.

00:27:34.840 Libido Dominandi is powerful in the short term, but it has a limited lifespan. Here's the hope.

00:27:41.300 It's a house of cards that always eventually collapses under the weight of its own absurdity.

00:27:46.900 And this is the same playbook you see with Balak. 0.97

00:27:49.840 Do you remember the king of Moab in Numbers 22?

00:27:54.140 He sees the vast host of Israel, right, approaching in the aftermath of the Exodus.

00:27:59.060 Military resistance wasn't going to work. 0.95

00:28:01.480 Diplomacy meant surrender.

00:28:03.420 Alliances were useless.

00:28:04.840 And so what does Balak do?

00:28:06.420 He turns to the spiritual realm.

00:28:08.040 He summons the seer Balaam and through Balaam delivers multiple oracles, but each of them

00:28:15.180 reached the same conclusion that Israel cannot be conquered from without. 0.99

00:28:19.840 Their only weakness lay within. 0.98

00:28:22.600 They could only fall.

00:28:24.220 This is what Balak learns. 0.93

00:28:25.660 Israel could only fall if they abandoned righteousness and polluted their own covenant. 0.81

00:28:30.800 And so armed with this knowledge, what does Balak do?

00:28:33.260 He abandons armies.

00:28:34.800 He abandons curses.

00:28:35.700 He abandons strategic alliances and he chooses temptation. 0.99

00:28:41.120 The women of Moab enter Israel's camp at Peor, drawing people into idolatry and immorality. 0.95

00:28:48.560 And this succeeded where weapons had failed. 0.94

00:28:50.960 Israel was defeated without a battle.

00:28:53.720 No blades clashed.

00:28:55.520 No arrows were loosed. 0.88

00:28:57.560 Centuries would pass before Moab could physically conquer Jerusalem. 0.99

00:29:01.860 But that eventual triumph had already been secured. 0.97

00:29:04.540 The real victory had one had been won long before, not by might or strategy, but by the sexual and moral collapse engineered at pay or which you cannot defeat militarily.

00:29:16.480 You can always corrupt through sexual enticement. 0.64

00:29:19.340 Maybe that's why the Epstein list will never get released.

00:29:22.540 Wow. Yeah.

00:29:23.640 What a fascinating, very disturbing connection, because without even you having to explain all of the parallels you mentioned Epstein, you can just see it.

00:29:31.220 You listen to what you're talking about and you're like, oh, yeah, that makes sense.

00:29:34.220 I can see that.

00:29:34.940 I think I'm sitting in that moment right now.

00:29:36.660 I see that context because it's so familiar to us in a very scary way.

00:29:41.320 Now, make that connection between what you're just talking about and something like in vitro

00:29:46.260 fertilization, sperm selling, egg selling.

00:29:49.040 As you know, both of us have caught a lot of heat, gotten a lot of pushback for things

00:29:53.040 like that.

00:29:53.900 We want more babies.

00:29:55.440 Shouldn't it be great?

00:29:56.180 If someone wants to have a child, how does that have anything to do with any of the depravity

00:30:00.960 that you're talking about?

00:30:02.000 It should just be unconditionally celebrated.

00:30:04.220 And yet there is a connection.

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00:31:15.480 code Allie. Brilliant connection, Allie. Yeah. So what is the best sort of personal example

00:31:27.360 of libido dominandi or the lust to dominate for the layperson? Obviously, we can identify that

00:31:34.040 when that comes to someone like Epstein or Sean Diddy Combs, right? That's easy.

00:31:38.440 But how does that relate to the layperson? The belief that adult desires matter far more

00:31:47.420 than the rights of children. That's the lust to dominate. It's the belief that my desires

00:31:54.640 or what I have rephrased as my rights, are ultimate. And if you get in the way

00:32:04.580 of my desires to curate my version of liberty, then I will crush you.

00:32:13.800 And we have to identify that in all of our hearts, don't we, Ali? That's not just an indictment.

00:32:18.880 I don't take this, guys, as just like, you know, shaming the gays or or the heterosexual Christian married couple who created 10 embryos and still has six of them frozen on ice.

00:32:29.820 We have to identify that in each of our hearts, that when we pursue passion, this is what C.S. Lewis talked about.

00:32:37.320 The head rules the belly through the chest.

00:32:38.960 So the intellect rules the belly, the appetite through the chest, which is virtue, honor and morality.

00:32:45.980 So so but what is men without chests?

00:32:48.100 Well, then the intellect rules the appetite with nothing to temper it in between.

00:32:52.760 And that's what he calls the abolition of man.

00:32:55.020 And aren't we good at coming up with intellectual justifications for our urges?

00:32:58.760 Oh, yeah, human beings are very good at that.

00:33:00.780 That's chapter one of The Abolition of Man, which I think he writes in 1945.

00:33:05.820 We have to identify that in all of ourselves.

00:33:08.400 We all have the tendency to pursue our curated version of liberty, our passions, our desires,

00:33:13.700 and our addictions, even when that comes at the expense of the innocent, the young, the

00:33:19.100 unborn, or those yet to be born who will inherit this republic.

00:33:22.740 And so I love how our friend Katie Faust puts it.

00:33:24.720 Almost every political issue can be defined as prioritizing the interests and desires

00:33:30.100 of adults over the rights and needs of children, even if those children are not born yet.

00:33:34.260 We're doing that with generational debt as well.

00:33:36.180 So that's a perfect example of libido dominandi or the lust to dominate, even when it means

00:33:43.000 redefining our historic understanding of liberty. And so today, there are twice as many babies—this

00:33:49.400 is so gnarly to have to say, Ali, you've heard this, but most Christians are shocked to hear

00:33:53.960 what I'm about to say—there are twice as many babies being killed, losing their lives every 12

00:34:02.600 months in America through big fertility, meaning through IVF, than through the abortion industry.

00:34:09.640 I could go through the data as how we kind of reached that number.

00:34:13.860 It's hard to have like full proof, bulletproof numbers because states have not passed any

00:34:19.740 good legislation yet to go into the IVF labs and actually get their data.

00:34:23.340 But it's very likely that we're killing nearly, nearly 2 million babies every 12 months.

00:34:31.480 And that doesn't include the abortion industry.

00:34:33.920 That would be 2 million children every 12 months through in vitro fertilization. 0.98

00:34:38.580 add the roughly 1 million that are aborted every 12 months, and America could be slaughtering 0.68

00:34:44.540 upwards of 3 million children every 12 months, and we're celebrating America?

00:34:50.400 We're saying make America great again?

00:34:51.960 Yeah, I want to make America great again too, but it's not going to happen when the sewers

00:34:56.280 of our country run red with the blood of our children.

00:35:00.800 The through line of the church up until about the 20th century, which we can talk about

00:35:05.240 if you want, where the church kind of trades her birthright for a bowl of porridge and

00:35:08.320 comes up with an evangelical cultural engagement model to remain relevant.

00:35:11.780 But for about the first 1900 years of church history, the church was known by their resistance

00:35:17.940 to evil.

00:35:19.280 The church stood in the face of these same issues we're facing today, and they didn't

00:35:24.120 just preach a clean gospel against these issues.

00:35:27.060 They actually suffered.

00:35:29.260 They were killed, thrown in jail, not simply for saying, Ali, Christ is king. 0.99

00:35:34.680 They were killed and persecuted for refusing to allow tyrants and sexual perverts to murder 0.99

00:35:42.160 babies and abuse the family. 0.97

00:35:44.160 That's what created the moral framework that built Western civilization.

00:35:48.560 We can tell some of the stories.

00:35:49.760 I've got some short ones for you.

00:35:51.140 But I guess let's put it this way. 0.61

00:35:53.060 The first 1900 years of church history stands as an indictment against the last 100.

00:35:58.600 We've forgotten who we are. 0.95

00:36:01.340 What do you say to the Christian that's like, I hear you. 0.99

00:36:04.400 and they're totally in alignment that all of those things are evil and christians are called

00:36:08.960 to push back against that but who are just demoralized by the political system and who say

00:36:14.280 you know what i'm just going to focus on what i can do in my neighborhood share the gospel love

00:36:18.280 the people around me i just don't really care about politics anymore there are you know bad

00:36:24.780 people on both sides whatever argument people make for political disengagement we say we see

00:36:30.020 that among a lot of christians who are just discouraged like what is your charge to them

00:36:34.660 like why should they be politically engaged yes locally and statewide but also on a national

00:36:40.680 level when it comes to our national policy well ali you're one of the the best voices in explaining

00:36:46.980 how these issues are not really political right and by the way guys uh go watch the last stand

00:36:53.320 film host a screening at your church ali beth is in the film alongside other warriors the last

00:36:57.860 standout film, the last standout film, and you can bring this film to your church. But you're a

00:37:04.060 powerful voice. That's why I put you in my film, explaining why, guess what? These issues are

00:37:08.500 biblical, theological, Christian issues. And for most of church history, the church understood that

00:37:13.340 those issues were our issues, fundamentally our issues. We weren't looking to kings, to tyrants,

00:37:21.220 and to overlords to deal with these issues. We dealt with them in our local communities.

00:37:25.880 And so the feeling of exhaustion and feeling disenfranchised and done with the whole political debate is totally understandable.

00:37:36.920 And maybe that's actually part of the answer, Ali.

00:37:39.940 Maybe we do need to tune out some of the noise coming out of D.C., the noise from national political divisions and debates, and focus like a laser beam on fighting evil in our little camp.

00:37:57.720 And that starts with your home, okay? 0.94

00:37:59.420 If you're not raising dragon slayers who are going to inherit this republic, they will be catechized and discipled by rainbow demons, okay? 1.00

00:38:07.180 So that starts in your home. 0.99

00:38:08.660 But your city and your county, if you focus like a laser beam on raising holy hell and shaking the gates of hell in your city and your county, and we actually begin to live like that as Christians, that kind of resistance has always laid the foundation for renewal and reformation.

00:38:28.840 My favorite stories, Allie, are the faithful moms and dads, the faithful believers over the centuries whose names like we basically don't know anymore. 0.84

00:38:41.540 We've completely forgotten. And some of the stories we're never going to know till we get to glory, whose actions had a direct impact on the legacy of Christendom and the kind of freedoms and liberties that we've taken for granted.

00:38:54.680 So yes, every cultural and theological issue has been politicized, Christian.

00:39:00.120 So you need to be ready and willing to fight politically in a political arena for biblical

00:39:06.420 and theological truths.

00:39:08.020 But at the end of the day, we have to be faithful where God has put us.

00:39:11.960 It's one of my favorite verses that Christians often forget is in Acts when Paul says,

00:39:16.200 God ordained the boundaries of your existence and where you should live.

00:39:19.560 Like God literally picked that you would be alive right now listening to Allie, Beth, and I in 2026 in the city that you live in.

00:39:30.200 There was intention and purpose behind that, which means that there's a role for you to play.

00:39:35.380 I mean, you know, Allie, we even think of the Dark Ages, right, as being this like horrifically, you know, disappointing time where everyone was just dying and there was nothing good going on.

00:39:44.580 The Black Death, infectious germs, killing people.

00:39:47.680 It was enough to know that nearly a quarter of the world's population had succumbed to dreaded disease.

00:39:53.040 But there's this incredible person named Gerhard Agrutta who knew he was living in dark days.

00:39:59.640 Everywhere he looked, things only seemed to be getting darker.

00:40:02.800 And in the 14th century, Western Europe was at a turning point.

00:40:08.800 The Hundred Years' War between England and France still raged, claiming thousands and thousands of lives, bringing instability to both kingdoms.

00:40:17.680 The rise of universities brought knowledge, but it also spread a certain form of scholastic humanism and nihilism.

00:40:26.500 And plus, Gerhard Ogrute had experienced the debauchery that came with this culture and with university life. 0.76

00:40:32.820 Add to that the corruption that was visible in the church throughout Europe.

00:40:36.360 And it appeared that Christendom, like today, it seemed like it was ready to fall apart.

00:40:41.840 And so Gerhard Ogrute walks away from the faith.

00:40:44.360 He has a prodigal story. 0.83

00:40:45.740 He chases women.

00:40:47.540 He drinks nearly himself to death.

00:40:50.180 And there's no reason to think that anything would get any better.

00:40:53.420 And then he meets the grace of God.

00:40:55.460 He comes home to the faith.

00:40:57.500 And he begins a ministry called the Brethren of the Common Life, where he brings together

00:41:05.560 fatherless boys, poor children in his community, and he begins to pour into their lives.

00:41:11.820 He begins to care for them.

00:41:12.960 He begins to preach the word of God.

00:41:15.900 He becomes so popular.

00:41:17.000 Churches become filled to overflowing whenever he would take the pulpit.

00:41:20.600 He called out the sins of the laity and the clergy.

00:41:23.320 This enraged church officials. 0.50

00:41:25.240 This was Big Eva.

00:41:26.400 Okay, Ali, Big Eva didn't like him.

00:41:28.960 And these schools, the brethren of the common life, passed without any attention in his time.

00:41:35.460 He dies in his early 40s.

00:41:37.220 It looked like nothing he had done had any impact.

00:41:40.560 But from those schools, Ali, emerged nearly every single figure of the Protestant Reformation, including Martin Luther, Ulrich Zwingli, John Calvin, Martin Busser, Theodore Beza.

00:41:55.380 And until someone listened to this podcast, you probably never even heard of Gerhard Agrute.

00:42:00.580 And yet your life has been affected by how he lived out his Christian faith.

00:42:05.200 That man's devotion had very little effect in his own generation, but he changed the

00:42:10.300 world all the same.

00:42:11.700 That's the kind of stories we have to tell.

00:42:13.600 That's the kind of faithfulness we need now, Allie, where we're so upset.

00:42:17.780 Frankly, I'm ticked that we don't have the Epstein files.

00:42:20.820 We're like, we can't trust anything.

00:42:23.360 People feel disenfranchised.

00:42:24.900 People feel like they can't trust anything.

00:42:26.940 And all of that makes a lot of sense.

00:42:28.840 So just be faithful, be courageous in your city and in your county and in your home,

00:42:36.380 because that's exactly what the left has done for 100 years.

00:42:39.460 They focused locally for perversion, and they did it simultaneously.

00:42:44.160 They took our cultural mandate playbook.

00:42:46.520 They flipped it upside down for wickedness, and we stood by doing nothing.

00:42:50.760 That is why Western civilization is on the edge of decline, not because of barbarians

00:42:55.500 at the city gates, to quote Hilaire Belloc, Chesterton's best friend, but because of the

00:43:00.240 traitors within, those who scoff at their history, mock their faith, and welcome the enemies of Christ

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00:44:17.680 gosh you've got my wheels turning and i wish that we had three more hours to discuss all of this but

00:44:28.100 as you're speaking about the dark ages and then the reformation and god's sovereignty and all of

00:44:31.960 that i really do see so many parallels to where we are today yes we see parallels to the depravity

00:44:37.240 of ancient rome and all of these ancient civilizations but i also see so much that could

00:44:42.560 be, and this is kind of what you're talking about, could be on the horizon. And I wonder what you

00:44:46.740 think about this. I've just thought about this a lot when it comes to literacy. I care a lot about

00:44:52.000 people being able to read and being able to argue and being able to communicate. And I know you do

00:44:56.400 too. We're trying to raise our children to not only be wise, but smart and to have knowledge

00:45:00.820 and be able to wield that in a godly way. And then when I see literacy rates, when I see that

00:45:05.660 children and teenagers and adults have kindergarten and below reading levels, when they've graduated

00:45:11.420 from college. They've gotten into grad school. They can still barely comprehend the text that's

00:45:16.460 in front of them, attention levels all the way down. And I just think, are we entering

00:45:20.900 voluntarily into the dark ages? It's a very different time than them when they didn't

00:45:26.100 really have access to literacy. They didn't have access to education and books. Now we have all of

00:45:30.980 the access in the world to all of these things. And yet voluntarily, because of other distractions,

00:45:37.240 we are entering into a dark age and because of that there is a concern about the preservation

00:45:45.500 of the faith because christianity not truly because we know that jesus wins in the end but

00:45:51.580 that christianity is a word-based faith jesus is described as the logos he is the source of logic

00:45:57.620 there is a level of rationality and reasonableness that comes with being able to comprehend this

00:46:04.100 good news of christianity and i do wonder if that's why more like image-based faiths are

00:46:10.800 actually more popular than this word-based faith especially of evangelicalism but then you see the

00:46:16.880 same kind of thing preceding the reformation then you had the printing press and then you had the

00:46:21.680 bible translated into these regular languages and you had people being able to understand the gospel

00:46:27.560 and understand the bible apply it and that spread like wildfire throughout europe and then laid the

00:46:32.340 foundation for america today and i just wonder what is the thing that's going to get us out of

00:46:38.820 these dark ages and like are we in the times are we entering into a dark age i hope not but that

00:46:46.560 eventually will precede that time of reawakening and revival and as you're talking also about the

00:46:52.820 13 and 1400s i was thinking about someone like john huss john huss he was like pre-reformation

00:46:58.960 1300s 1400s and when he was burned at the stake for the things that he was saying

00:47:03.320 he said you're going to burn a goose but in 100 years you will have a swan which you can neither

00:47:08.420 roast nor boil and it seemed like he was you know almost prophesying about martin luther and i you

00:47:17.060 know i i can't help but think about someone like charlie kirk i can't help but think about someone

00:47:22.100 that represented this huge loss to us and that we're hope kind of you're hoping kind of leads

00:47:28.000 to some kind of revival, but I just, I just wonder, and I know that doesn't all come together

00:47:32.560 because I'm kind of just stream of consciousness, but I just wonder if there are parallels in all

00:47:37.480 of that to the like voluntary ignorance that so many of us have, or so many people have the lack

00:47:43.760 of literacy, the lack of understanding, and then also how God can work in all of that to then

00:47:50.640 accomplish what he is going to accomplish. I don't know when, I don't know how, I don't know through

00:47:54.540 whom, but there seems to be in what you're explaining to me a lot of parallel from that

00:47:59.560 time to today. So let me summarize, attempt to summarize the, uh, the truth bombs you're

00:48:05.620 spitting. Okay. The church's forgetfulness has always been her undoing. Always. Uh, remembrance

00:48:14.600 and forgetfulness are the measuring rods of faithfulness throughout the Bible, uh, revealing

00:48:20.340 that there's only two kinds of people in this world, effectual doers and forgetful hearers.

00:48:29.300 There's an incredible line from Chesterton or Hilaire Belloc that says, history is a hill

00:48:36.880 or high point of vantage from which alone a man sees the town in which he lives or the age in

00:48:44.660 which he is living. And we don't know how to ascend that hill of history anymore. And we don't

00:48:50.160 know how to identify how to fight any of the issues that are appearing before us now, even

00:48:55.180 though we have a blueprint that's been drawn up in the centuries past by heroes of the

00:48:59.560 faith who faced every single one of these issues, and we find ourselves being tossed

00:49:04.060 to and fro by every new wave of doctrine and every new political headline, and the pastors

00:49:08.600 by and large do not know how to preach righteousness into this culture or disciple their people

00:49:14.220 to actually be salt and light.

00:49:17.220 and this is why we're doing the last stand film and book, Ali, is because the church is suffering

00:49:22.620 from forgetfulness in a way that I think maybe she never has ever in the history of the church.

00:49:31.200 There's this powerful line from the Philip Schaff, the church historian. He says,

00:49:36.320 how should we labor with any effect to build up the church if we have no thorough knowledge of

00:49:41.380 its history or fail to apprehend it from the proper point of observation? History is and

00:49:46.580 must ever continue to be next to the word of God, the richest foundation of wisdom and the surest

00:49:52.560 guide to all successful practical activity. Churchill said, the greatest advances in human

00:49:59.140 civilization have come when we recovered what we had lost, when we learned the lessons of history.

00:50:06.100 Of course, we know the lines that those who forget their history are doomed to repeat it.

00:50:09.560 And that's become, we've just said that so often, we forget exactly how true that is,

00:50:14.400 that during ancient Rome, they were having accidental incest because of all these babies

00:50:19.800 that were abandoned on infanticide walls. And then pimps would, quote unquote, rescue the babies

00:50:24.920 to get a sex slave to raise it in a brothel. So then the brother or the dad of the infant that 0.91

00:50:30.860 they abandoned would go visit a brothel to go get their pleasure, and they would accidentally have 0.99

00:50:37.220 sex with their daughter or their sister. They were throwing babies on walls. To be a young boy in 0.99

00:50:44.180 ancient Rome meant to be sexually abused by older men. Oh, by the way, oh, what do we have today in 0.78

00:50:48.140 the 21st century, Allie? Oh, accidental incest. That's right. Multiple headlines of someone who

00:50:53.040 went on a date or they started having sexual relations with someone. They found out it was

00:50:57.420 a half sibling because, quote unquote, sperm donors, which doesn't really exist, you're always

00:51:02.140 paid for your gametes, are creating 10, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70 biological children. And then siblings

00:51:10.380 are accidentally having sex accidental incest is always been sort of a canary in the coal mine for

00:51:15.580 the death of a civilization um by the way you know what else is another canary in the coal mine um

00:51:20.060 when drag leaves the theater stage and sets itself up in the public square that was one of the final 0.73

00:51:27.340 gasps of the roman empire it's when drag left theatrical performances and set itself up in the 0.99

00:51:34.220 public square. What's another canary in the coal mine? Freakishness in the arts and obsession with 0.99

00:51:41.020 sex that masquerades as originality and just being authentic. That's another canary in the coal mine

00:51:49.080 when your civilization is teetering on the precipice of suicide. So we're seeing all the

00:51:54.120 same markers right now, Ali, that we saw in the decline of Rome, that we saw in the Palais Royale

00:51:59.600 during the French Revolution with Robespierre and the Marquis de Sade and the Duc d'Orléans

00:52:05.900 before you get a strong man named Napoleon to come bring order because they were doing weird

00:52:11.360 sex stuff. They had brothels full of children above the Parisian cafes in the Palais Royale

00:52:16.440 between 1789 and 1797, where you could pay to have sex with children. Historians talk about how 0.85

00:52:22.260 these children were so debauched and abused, they would throw themselves onto customers

00:52:26.300 hoping to be paid for their body.

00:52:29.160 Okay, we see all the same markers

00:52:30.920 with the radical left today

00:52:32.040 with their obsession about trans kids

00:52:34.360 and projecting sexual identities onto minors,

00:52:37.040 insisting that we don't call pedophiles pedophiles,

00:52:39.440 but we call them minor attracted persons.

00:52:40.880 Or what about the United Nations buried report

00:52:43.660 that I've cited in my book

00:52:44.980 that you have to go back to the Wayback Machine to find

00:52:47.220 where they suggest we lower the age of consent

00:52:49.860 because consent to sex might be consensual in reality,

00:52:53.840 even if it's not acknowledged legally. 0.92

00:52:55.520 OK, all this obsession with sexualizing kids, killing babies and driving a wedge between children and parents has always been some of the issues you start to see before a civilization freaking commits suicide. 0.84

00:53:09.340 And the only thing that has stayed that madness before, the only thing that has reversed that crash course scenario has been Christian nationalism or whatever they call it today. 0.85

00:53:19.380 I mean, Christian resistance, believers actually getting engaged.

00:53:22.860 Uh, there's this incredible guy, you know, his name, his name is Athanasius, um, Athanasius 0.82

00:53:29.400 Contramundum.

00:53:30.560 Uh, he, uh, in Alexandria, he, he was key in writing this thing called the Nicene Creed,

00:53:36.200 the most simplest profession of the Christian faith.

00:53:38.660 Um, and after those theological disputes in his later years, according to oral tradition,

00:53:44.900 um, uh, Athanasius marches his church out of the sanctuary.

00:53:49.720 okay this absolute doctrinaire um intellectual giant and he marches his church outside of the

00:53:57.200 sanctuary they walk outside of alexandria to outside to the roman infanticide walls the local 0.58

00:54:03.560 abortion mills of the day where you toss infants to be eaten by animals if they're not rescued by 0.92

00:54:08.060 a christian or uh apprehended by a pimp to become a sexual slave and he preaches a message on the 0.90

00:54:14.300 incarnation, Ali. Okay. Now this is profound. Athanasius had written, written a book, Ali, 0.99

00:54:19.320 at 15 years old, 15 called on the incarnation. That's still a staple of any, um, uh, classical

00:54:28.180 Christian education today at 15. Now he's in his later years and he preaches a message on the

00:54:34.040 incarnation in front of the infanticide walls before his entire church, that the people whose

00:54:39.940 souls he has been leading. And he talks about John 1, the logos became flesh, which in ancient Rome

00:54:47.080 was insane. The context of that, we don't understand it as evangelicals, Ali, because

00:54:51.580 that's what ancient Roman politics, political leaders, and philosophers cared the most about

00:54:57.420 was the concept of logos. They thought having logos made you a person, not having logos made

00:55:02.320 you a non-person, meaning our ability for language, rationality, and speech. And so they only defined

00:55:08.140 men as having logos. They thought most women didn't have logos. And they said that slaves,

00:55:13.000 toddlers, infants, and pre-born babies didn't have logos. And therefore they could be treated

00:55:19.320 however adult males wanted to treat them. That's what they cared the most about.

00:55:24.000 So in Christianity, when John writes in John 1, the logos, this is not a concept. This is a person.

00:55:31.800 He's the divine logic of the universe. He has so much logos. When he opens his mouth,

00:55:36.000 the freaking Milky Way comes out. That's a lot of Logos, Allie, to just breathe out stars.

00:55:41.420 The Logos, capital L Logos, takes on flesh and identifies with you as a fetus. So every unborn 0.98

00:55:47.520 child is in a way the brother of the Lord. They share his human nature and the image of God.

00:55:54.420 So in Christianity, Logos is not a concept. It's a person. And this furnishes for the West,

00:55:59.200 the concept of children's rights. Because if the Logos, the thing that ancient Romans cared the 0.54

00:56:03.560 most about is, is also the logos as a fetus, this thing that we don't care about at all.

00:56:08.760 And we call a non-person then maybe all pre-born children are people. So Athanasius preaches John

00:56:14.260 one, the incarnation in front of an abortion mill outside of Alexandria alley. And then he turns

00:56:20.240 around and he starts to rip down the infanticide walls with his bare hands, literally tearing down

00:56:27.660 the high places. This guy is like Gideon, okay, incarnate. And then he turns around with his

00:56:33.360 bloodied hands after tearing down the infanticide walls, Ali, in front of his congregation. And he

00:56:39.180 says, this blood for their blood. He died shortly after that. And then in 374, shortly after his

00:56:46.880 death, Emperors Valentinian and Theodosius issued edicts for the first time in human history,

00:56:53.300 banning infanticide and giving legal protection to babies. It was the first time in human history

00:57:00.380 anything like that had ever happened in 374. Six years later, Allie, in 380,

00:57:07.140 Rome embraces the teaching of Christ, etching the sanctity of life into the very fabric of

00:57:13.140 Western civilization. I guess I just want to say this. Could it be, could it be that it was pastors

00:57:20.400 living their faith in action, tearing down the high places of baby killing that were

00:57:28.440 destroying families and children that led to Rome protecting children for the first time

00:57:36.820 in human history. Could that have prepared the way for Rome embracing the teachings of Christ?

00:57:42.100 We call this the Charlie Kirk effect today. We've gotten the framework all wrong. It wasn't avoiding

00:57:49.400 politics to do gospel ministry. It was engaging the cultural and political world that gave you

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00:59:05.000 praise god i had never heard that story about athanasius actually my audience knows very well

00:59:16.500 when children became people by owen backey and the story of the logos and you and i are such on

00:59:21.500 the same page because we've also talked about how incredible that is john one but i did not know

00:59:26.320 about that sermon in athanasius so i'm so glad that you filled in that vitally important detail

00:59:31.740 to this narrative and like how good is god it reminds me of first corinthians 1 that he shames

00:59:37.120 the wisdom of the wise and that you know he can bring to nothing things that are and he can do

00:59:43.360 the seemingly impossible and the seemingly opposite and the seemingly paradoxical and it's

00:59:48.180 all to show that wisdom belongs to him logic belongs to him babies belong to him he defines

00:59:54.480 all things and he's in charge of all things and as christians that is the most loving thing that

01:00:00.240 we can do is agree with God, is agree with God's authority, not only personally, but also politically

01:00:04.800 to politics matter because policy matters because people matter. And you are so good. In fact, I

01:00:10.160 know no one better, no one better at explaining that connection. And so thank you so much. Tell

01:00:15.700 everyone again about The Last Stand. It's a conference. It's a book. It's a film. They need

01:00:21.540 all of those. So tell us about it. Yes. Thank you, Ali. Yeah. The Last Stand is a book and a film

01:00:27.720 and a festival. In fact, as people are listening to this on Friday, June 5th, people are heading

01:00:33.900 to Denver right now for the Last Stand Festival, which will continue all day Saturday, June 6th

01:00:39.040 at Brave Church in Denver. And it will end with the world premiere of this film, the Last Stand

01:00:44.540 film. It's also a book called The Last Stand, Christ or Chaos, The War for the West, which goes

01:00:49.680 way deeper into so much more I couldn't put into a 90 minute documentary. But the film we filmed

01:00:54.940 it Rome, Paris, and London, arguably the three great cities of history alley that really anchor

01:01:00.320 our experience in the modern world more than any others. And so cinematically, it's an absolutely

01:01:04.900 beautiful film. I only make beautiful films. I think Christian should be creating the truest,

01:01:09.140 the goodest, and the most beautiful things of all. And so any church in America and any school

01:01:14.880 starting Sunday, June 7th, can host a screening of the Last Stand film in their church. So pastors,

01:01:22.920 for your people, Christian educators, for your students.

01:01:26.720 You can go to thelaststand.film, host a screening, fill out the stuff.

01:01:32.800 Our team gets in touch with you.

01:01:33.980 We set the date.

01:01:35.120 We'll even advertise the dates on our website.

01:01:37.260 And anyone can host a screening of this film.

01:01:39.120 The books are available for sale right now.

01:01:42.320 And Ali gave a very kind endorsement of it.

01:01:43.920 The Last Stand, Christ or Chaos, The War for the West.

01:01:46.820 And if you didn't make the festival this weekend, it is an annual event.

01:01:50.580 So you will be able to get pre-sale tickets for the Last Stand Festival 2027.

01:01:54.640 But this is our last stand moment, Allie.

01:01:56.500 It's not red meat for the base.

01:01:57.920 It's not hyperbole.

01:01:59.700 We simply cannot continue doing what we're doing in America and expect God to bless us

01:02:04.840 or expect our children and grandchildren to inherit a free and sane society.

01:02:12.060 I don't want my grandchildren to be the pioneers of a new civilization, Allie.

01:02:16.180 Now, if the Lord wills that, okay, praise God.

01:02:19.700 and he's gonna work through it.

01:02:21.360 But my wife and I are raising little dragon slayers, okay?

01:02:26.040 To actually live courageously and boldly

01:02:29.480 to keep wickedness at bay

01:02:31.680 because human nature has not changed

01:02:33.320 and to actually do what we were tasked with doing.

01:02:36.200 It's not just because it's fun.

01:02:37.760 It's not just because it makes you feel good

01:02:40.120 because you're crushing evil.

01:02:41.300 It's because you were created to do that.

01:02:43.660 Church, there was a declaration of war

01:02:45.500 from the first chapters of the Bible. 0.93

01:02:46.840 I will set enmity between you, serpent, 0.98

01:02:49.000 and between her and between your offspring serpent and between hers. Church, do you understand what 0.98

01:02:54.020 the Lord just told you? Satan has offspring. That's right. Satan has offspring. There's a

01:03:00.500 declaration of war against the seed of the woman and every baby conceived ever since, because that's 0.97

01:03:05.240 going to lead to the greatest former fetus ever existed, the Christ child. So Satan hates babies

01:03:09.780 because he, Satan hates babies because he hates the savior. He hates the children because he hates

01:03:15.840 the father. That's been a war from the very beginning. And we kind of like the disciples

01:03:20.520 at Caesarea Philippi are standing at the gates of hell, which at that time, literally the local

01:03:25.720 residents believed that that was an entry to the underworld. So when Jesus said the gates of hell

01:03:29.460 will not prevail against the church, he literally said that in a region where the locals believe

01:03:33.740 that you could enter a cave and you could get into Hades itself. So when he says the gates of hell

01:03:38.520 will not prevail against the goodness that is my church, he means that gates are stationary and

01:03:43.840 we're supposed to be advancing and laying siege to the gates of hell.

01:03:47.460 If you want to learn to shake the gates of hell and remember what we've forgotten in

01:03:51.620 the church, go to the last fan dot film, get the book, host a screening at your church

01:03:56.720 and raise your children to be freaking dragon slayers and Athanasius against the world. 0.56

01:04:02.100 Gideon iconoclasts who are tearing down the high places.

01:04:06.060 And maybe, maybe the Lord will show us mercy and we can give this civilization another

01:04:11.920 250 years for the glory of God and for the furtherance of his kingdom.

01:04:16.740 Amen.

01:04:17.520 Amen.

01:04:18.260 Gates are a defense mechanism.

01:04:19.640 So what does that mean about us?

01:04:21.020 What is Jesus saying about us?

01:04:22.440 We are on the offense.

01:04:23.940 Thank you so much for that rallying cry, Seth.

01:04:26.300 Everyone, check out the book.

01:04:28.180 Check out the film, The Last Stand.

01:04:30.720 Seth, thank you.

01:04:32.580 Thank you.

01:04:41.920 You

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - June 05, 2026

Ep 1356 ｜ America Has 37 Years Left — Unless We Make This Change ｜ Seth Gruber

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